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The Dan Bongino Sunday Special 10/30/22

October 30, 2022



First up is Dinesh D’Souza about his book version of 2000 Mules out now and we talked about the upcoming election and what has and hasn’t been done to make it secure. Next up is Kari Lake, a great candidate for governor in Arizona and a rising star in the Republican party and in an important race. Then we talked with Dan Horowitz about the outrageous decision by the CDC recommending the COVID vaccine for kids before letting them go to school. Finally we talked to Kelly Tschibaka of Alaska, a true conservative who’s running up against the Mitch McConnell candidate Lisa Murkowski

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First up today we talk to Dinesh DeSousa. Dinesh has the book version of 2000 Mules The Outstanding.

We'll be coming out. Got a book coming out about it. Don't miss it. We talked about the upcoming election, what hasn't been done to make it secure in light of what he exposed in his movie 2000 Mules. This is an eye-opening interview folks. If you're interested in elections winning them and keeping them secure, don't miss it.

All right. I'd love to welcome back to the show. A good friend to the show, the man who put out the movie 2000 Mules which a lot of us found incredibly troubling and fascinating, frightening and interesting at the same time. Dinesh DeSousa, Dinesh, welcome back to the show.

Dan, always a pleasure. Great to be on.

Well, thank you, sir. It's always great to have you. So your movie 2000 Mules scared the hell out of a lot of people, me included. It's so informative and very well done. And in the movie you pointed out that there are some obvious security problems with these ballot boxes that are left unattended. You know, it's pretty obvious when you go into vote at a voting location. You go there in many states. You have to present an ID, many states you don't. Either way, there's typically a person there. So if Dinesh DeSousa would have tried to commit voter fraud and bring in say 20 different ballots from 20 different people he didn't know from a harvesting location, it would get kind of weird as you walk back in 20 times. That doesn't happen at these ballot boxes and 2000 Mules, you know, showed that you see the response though, Dinesh. Now the left is paranoid that poll watchers and people who've taken it upon themselves to legally watch what's going on at the ballot box, the left's freaking out. They can't believe that we would actually want to see what's going on in this system. It drives them crazy.

I mean, let's think about this, Dan. If you look at the CISA, the CISA is the Cyber Security Infrastructure Agency. Their election rules require that all mail-in drop boxes have 24 hour surveillance. So my first question is in an era where you've got surveillance in every parking lot, every mall, you know, every Home Depot, every post office, why wouldn't states have surveillance on every drop box? Patriots wouldn't have to camp out at drop boxes if there was in fact the required surveillance installed. But we know from 2020 that very little of that was actually done. Now then the excuse was COVID, we never got around to it, but there's no excuse for not having surveillance in 2022.

Yeah, no, there's none. I mean, why, the only reason you wouldn't want surveillance of a ballot box location is clearly because you're interested in cheating. That's the only reason.

There is no other reason you wouldn't want that. And then the thing is, Dinesh, their logic here is so tortured. So you're not allowed to question the integrity of elections, although they do it all the time. And then when you suggest things that would increase people's confidence in the public election process, like, Hey, how about we institute a vigorous surveillance system of these ballot boxes? The left goes, no, no, no, no, you can't have that either. I mean, this is really a damned if you do damned if you don't in the classic sense, isn't it?

Well a very good way to think about all this is simply to ask in any context other than voting, would this requirement be suspect? And so take voter ID. Nobody says that if you show up to a bank and they ask you for an ID, you know, it's banking suppression.

Nobody says that if you show up at an airport and they ask you for an ID, it's airline suppression.

But somehow if you show up to vote and they ask you for an ID, it's voter suppression.

So right there, you know, something's wrong because it is only in this context that the ID is interpreted as some form of intimidation. The same with surveillance. Nobody questions the fact that there's constant surveillance, particularly when there is the possibility of something being of some sort of shenanigans going on. And yet when it comes to the mail and drop boxes and only the mail and drop boxes, suddenly surveillance becomes something that's threatening. It's going to scare people. It's going to deter them from voting. And so on. Why would you be deterred from voting if you are casting a lawful vote?

We're talking to Dinesh DeSousa. Check out his movie 2000 mules. It's, right Dinesh? Is that the website?

It's and there's now today out a new book that sort of more systematically and fully lays out that case. Things that you can't put in the movie are in the book and also an answer to critics. Oh, great. Where did they get the book? Wherever the year you can buy books? No, yeah, it's on Amazon Barnes and Noble just about anywhere that you can buy a book. Oh, wow. I'm sorry. Dinesh, my apologies. Jim had told me that and I, how do you got to get me a copy of that ASAP? I need that. I'll be reading.

I'll be reading. Thank you. I'll be reading passages of that on the air. I did a three hour special for 2000 mules. I was so fascinated by your movie. So I get a lot of this. Maybe you can answer this, Dinesh. And if you, if we disagree on this, it's okay. You know, we're conservative. So we believe in vigorous debate, but I get this question a lot from listeners. They'll hit me up on Facebook, the message portion, which I leave open. They'll say, Dan, I have no confidence in the system. I'm not voting because by voting, I feel like I'm kind of, I'm putting my stamp of approval on a system that's, that's broken.

And my response back to them as well, every system is inherently broken, you know, where society of sinners and fallible human beings and in the world is lived on the margin. Then actually mean everything's gray. You got to vote. Even if your vote is diluted by illegal votes, it still matters. That system sucks. I wish there was no voter fraud, but you've got to vote. I mean, if we didn't vote, we wouldn't have Ron DeSantis. You know, we, you may get a Kerry Lake in there. How do you respond to that after having, you know, put 2000 meals out there and expose this massive fraud to people who say, I'm out. I'm not doing it.

Well, the thing, the thing to realize is that, you know, they are right in the sense that once a system reaches a certain point of breakdown, then the system itself is gone. I mean, obviously an extreme example would be like Stalin's Russia. There's no point showing up to vote.

The system is completely controlled and rigged. We are not in that situation. In fact, I would argue that one of the benefits of 2000 meals, number one, more people are aware of it. And when you're aware of something, it's harder to do it. I mean, if I were to tell you that at a given bank in New York City, they're going to come rob it at 7pm on Saturday, it's going to be harder for the raw thieves to go, yeah, 7pm, let's go. You know, they're not going to be, they're going to be deterred and doing it. More Republicans have signed up to be poll watchers, poll observers, poll judges. So there's a greater level of participation.

Frankly, it's much harder to cheat in the midterm. Why? Because it's easier to rig the ballot for one guy. Let's just get Trump out of there. Then when you have multiple candidates, multiple offices and multiple different states, organizing the meals for that much harder to do. I'm not so much worried about 2022. I do think that we need to take some important steps before 2024 to protect that presidential election.

Dennis, what's is the title of the book 2000 mules? I'm sorry, I'm a little, uh, yeah, yeah, no, no, it's the same title and the book cover actually mirrors the poster of the movie. So it's the companion book for the movie. And normally I release them together.

But in this case, I wanted to get the movie out. So the movie sort of outran the book.

But the book, the good thing about that is that the book has a full refutation of the critics of the movie. How do you refute the critics? I know you and I have discussed this before, but given that they've really panicked about this and I haven't seen a full throated, you know, a 30 front war against a movie about election fraud or a book or a research project.

Like they, they came out against 2000 meals. They've resorted to a lot of personal attacks against you against Greg against Catherine. I think it's because they're frightened about what you guys uncovered. But one of the things I get often about 2000 mules from lefties is, you know, the cell phone data is just not accurate. You can't tell that a mule was going to a ballot box in contrast to just driving by one, which let me just say before you answered the dash, I find interesting because the left wanted to squelch the same cell phone data because they were afraid that people on the right would monitor who want to abortion clinics, which I find weird if the data is not accurate, it's not accurate.

So how do you respond to that criticism? Well, it was particularly astounding coming from Bill Barr. I mean, it's one thing if you get it from, you know, the fact checker at AP who's a, you know, 20 something graduate from Portland state doesn't know anything about geo tracking doesn't know anything about election law. But here you have Bill Barr, he's been headed the DOJ. And as you know, the DOJ uses cell phone geo tracking every single day.

I mean, they found Mike Lindell in the drive in in Hardy. How do they know he was there?

They're tracking his phone. So they were able to pinpoint his location, FBI cars come up, they take his phone, but he was located through cell phone geo tracking. It's used by this, it's used by multiple agencies of the government. So it is again, you know, applying this general principle, it is regarded as accurate in every single context except one, and that is ballot trafficking.

Yeah, it's just weird. I keep reading these stories about how they're so terrified the left of people being tracked into abortion clinics using the exact same technology. And when you mentioned in this context, they lose their minds. It's frustrating. No, Dinesh, making these arguments to people who clearly don't have good intentions. They're not making reason arguments or making political ones while pretending to be fact checkers and journalists.

The perfect example is what's going on with Stacey Abrams, who keeps making increasingly ridiculous claims about voter suppression down in Georgia. You know, you understand correlation and causation. She's making a causal inference saying that voter ID measures in Georgia are going to cause votes to be suppressed. Yet, Dinesh, as you know, voter turnout in Georgia is now reaching record levels almost to the point of a presidential election level of turnout during a midterm. So not only is there no causal relationship, there's a negative correlational one. In other words, they had a voter ID law pass and turnout went up. I mean, it's really hard to debate these people when basic premises of logic just collapse in their own brains.

That's right. The lawyers like Mark Eliza have been going to court and insisting that an ID requirement will suppress the vote, will keep a lot of people at home. And then when empirical data comes out that shows the opposite, you never get these guys go, well, gee, you know what? I actually was wrong. I'm very happy to see that turnout has increased.

No, they just double down. And now a very disturbing line of rhetoric. I'm beginning to see, you saw a little bit of it from Hillary Clinton. You also see it from people like Bill Crystal, Max Booth. They're basically acting like voting for Republicans in the midterm is a form of anti-democracy. It's coming out against democracy. Why? Because presumably the Republican candidates are, quote, authoritarian. And so even if they win through the democratic process, essentially the only way to affirm democracy is to vote for Democrats.

It's a bizarre logic line though. I, you know, I've always respected you. I watch your videos debating on college campuses and you're just so eloquent and good at it. But when you distill that down, that's kind of, I saw that thing by Max Booth today, by the way, it's just bizarre. I mean, how, let's debate this, right? So where the authoritarians didn't ask yet, where the ones fighting for tax cuts to give you back more of your money, fighting to, you know, so you can control the public school system to allow your, you know, to kid to go to school, where school choice advocates, that doesn't sound authoritarian. We're the ones fighting for patient centered healthcare, not, you know, government top top down rationing.

I don't get we're fighting for regulatory reform where, where government doesn't get to tell you what to do if you're a hair braider in Minnesota. And that doesn't sound authoritarian to me. It sounds like the opposite. Like they're doing kind of a flip, a roux accusing you of what they're doing.

Well, I think what's going on is that, and let's remember this is a worldwide phenomenon built, you know, Georgia Maloney wins the Italian election. So now it's anti-democratic for her because she's an authoritarian. I think what's really going on is the leftist confusing progressivism with democracy. They seem to think that democracy must always render a progressive verdict. So the fact that you and I and the GOP and Victor Orban in Hungary and Georgia Maloney in Italy, we believe in democracy, but we're not progressives in the modern sense. They somehow believe that if democracy doesn't render a progressive verdict, it's not really democracy.

Dinesh DeSousa, I got about 30 seconds left. He's got a new book out folks about 2000 mules, 2000 mules available now wherever you get your books. Please pick it up today. It is such an important piece of work. What Dinesh has been up to. I only got about 30 seconds, but are you confident in the next presidential election? Of midterms or right around the corner we get that, but the next presidential election that will be able to clean this mess up? Or do you think the 2000 mules disaster, all these ballot mules, we're going to see a resurfacing of that?

Let me say that I think our destiny is completely in our own hands. There's no reason to be fatalistic. I have a line in the film repeated in the book where I say that, you know, Republicans focus on the campaign, Democrats focus on the election. They focus on the actual administration of the election. Where did the drop boxes go and so on? So I would just urge Republicans to become more involved in the process and that's the best security we have for our elections.

That's great advice. Dinesh 2000 mules folks, the book out today, the book out please get it 2000 mules wherever you get your books. Also, if you've not seen the movie, it is 2000 That is the website. It is a must watch before the election coming up in a couple of weeks. You'll see what's really going on. Dinesh the Suza. Thanks for your time as always. We appreciate it.

Always a pleasure. You got it folks. You can see why one of our most popular guests. Very, very smart guy. I was watching him debate people on videos on Facebook eight, nine years ago before I even had a podcast. So good. That was Dinesh the Suza and his thoughts on the midterms and the book 2000 mules and movie as well. Up next, we talk with Carrie Lake.

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Here's Kerry Lake, a great candidate for governor in Arizona, one of the best in the country.

She really is a rising star in the GOP and the conservative movement in a critical important race. Don't miss this.

So there's palpable excitement in the audience over this interview. I can feel it. I leave my Facebook page open for messages so you all can speak to me. And I gave it a lot of great guests on this show, but people are really, really excited about the guests I'm about to welcome into the show. She is a candidate for the governorship of the wonderful, beautiful state of Arizona. She is a conservative. She is a rising star in the party who's garnered a lot of attention and appropriately. So a website is Kerry,

What a welcome to the show. Kerry Lake. Kerry, thanks for joining us.

Oh my gosh. I am so excited. Maybe that's what you were feeling. The excitement was coming for me.

Gosh, I just have so much respect for you and what you're doing. I am personally really stoked about speaking to you. I met you one time at an event. It was brief. There were a lot of people around you. Everybody wanted to talk to you. And Kerry, I think it's because you have that kind of Genesee Quay. You have this, you have a gift. I mean, I don't want to start with excessive flattery and make you uncomfortable, but you do. You have a gift I don't see in a lot of politicians. An insistibility to just fight back and instinctively answer a question without having to look like you're going through mental gymnastics. Is that a product of your career in the media before? You don't see it a lot. You don't. Is that your media training?

I think so. Well, first of all, I will take the flattery after $10 million in attack ads.

If somebody throws me a compliment, I accept it.

You got it.

I think it is. And the fact that I don't really want to be a politician. I mean, it's gross to be honest.


I'm just in this because I see problems in Arizona. I think I can fix them. I know I can fix them, especially with we the people behind me. And I don't know how to speak anything but the truth. I was just with one of my campaign staffers yesterday and we were talking about we were going on a big interview on Fox and she was telling me some things and she was why am I trying to tell you anything? You just going to go out there and say what's on your heart? What the heck am I even thinking trying to tell you what to say?

I don't do well being coached on what to say. I just have to speak from my heart. And if that gets me in trouble sometimes, so be it. I'm here to speak the truth. I'm not a good liar. But apparently even though I'm not a good liar, we're doing well in politics because people are ready for the truth, authenticity and somebody who's going to push back against all that we know is wrong in society and in this world right now.

We're talking a Kerry Lake, a conservative rock star right now running for governor in Arizona. is the website. I agree with you. I remember running for office myself. I was not successful. It just wasn't for me. It didn't work out. You know, horseshoes and hand grenades, right? But I remember them trying to set up these little focus groups and I would get into arguments with the focus group and my campaign crew just eventually stopped because it became a waste of time and they were nice people. It wasn't I have no ill will towards them at all. But I think what happens Kerry and I think you've seen this is being that you're not a politician and you're from outside that ecosystem. They all you know, it's that old adage right to a hammer. Everything looks like a nail. Do you find that too where you're like, no, I'm not going to say that that way about immigration.

It's illegal immigration. I'm going to speak about it because it's a breaking of the law like I'm not going to massage it and be cute about it. Do you get that same experience?

Oh, totally. I mean, I when we got into the general somebody on my staff at the I didn't know it. They were working on with a company to do a bunch of polling to figure out what people were concerned about in the general. And I said, well, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. First of all, cancel this. We're not doing it. We're not spending, you know, 30, 50,000 on something so stupid. We're not going to change our message in the general. I know that that's what every other politician does. I think it's phony. Our message is great.

It was great in the general. It's what people of Arizona want. It solves our problems. So I just haven't been playing by the rules because a, I don't know the rules and be every time I hear one of the rules, it's counterintuitive and it doesn't make sense.

No, it doesn't.

We know what the problems are in Arizona. The people on my team have lived here. We're right. A lot of the people on my team are regular people, non-politico types who understand what's happening in Arizona. We're losing our uniqueness. We're losing what makes us Arizona. We're seeing political elite try to push us into California and we do not want to become a California 2.0. That's how we're doing so well. But you know, you talked about illegal immigration. I did an interview with Dana or Dana Bash on CNN last week. I think it was the week before.

Yeah, it was awesome. We used clips from it on our shows. It was very good. Go ahead.

She said something like 1% of the people coming across are criminals. I said, well, after I stopped the interview, I wish I would have thought of it mid interview. No, 100%.

Right. They broke the law.

They keep coming in, are breaking the law. 100% are actively breaking the law. So, you know, and they get their stats. You know, the government is the one who's behind this problem. Joe Biden and his administration have caused the problem. There are many, probably hundreds of thousands who do have a rap sheet because they're the gotaways coming across.

If you're a gotaway, you don't want to be processed by border patrol. You're not trying to file a fraudulent asylum claim because you have some serious baggage when it comes to your rap sheet behind you. And these are people we don't want coming into Arizona. We want no illegal immigration. We want all legal immigration. That's the way it should be.

Yeah. I mean, what you said is axiomatically true. 100% of people entering the country illegally are criminals by the way. It's not a moral judgment. It's a statement of pure. You can argue with it all you want, but it makes you look like an idiot. I mean, we're not, it's not a mass moral condemnation. It's a statement of fact. You're a opponent. We're talking to Kerry Lake, GOP nominee for governor in Arizona.

Your opponent, Katie Hobbs, you know, I don't like Democrats. You don't have to comment.

I just, I just don't. I don't like the right. It's not personal. It's just their ideology is destructive. But I try to be an objective analyst of races around the country because it matters for the audience. We're in trouble here. We're not in trouble there. Your opponent is bar none. The worst candidate I've seen in a competitive race runner for governor.

Inept a week. I mean it. I mean, I'm again, I don't like right. It's not personal. I've never met her. I don't care to meet her. I have never seen someone so inept at messaging.

I mean, she's calling you an election denier. She's the secretary of state. She just screwed up a mass ballot mailing to be, I mean, she's running away from people in debates. I mean, literally running from people asking her questions. She is a horrifyingly bad candidate.

I think your race is going to go, go very well. How your feelings on how it looks with 18 days to go, you know, I, if everything were fair and we had no problems in our election system, I think we'd win by a landslide. Well, we're drawing crowds that are massive. People who've been in politics forever come to our events and say, we've never seen anything like this in Arizona. And I'm not being boastful, Dan. It's not about me.

No, I've heard it. I've heard it from others. It's about the people are sick and tired of what they're seeing and they're realizing that the only way to solve these problems are to get involved and they're getting involved, which is great. She is a horrible candidate.

It's always opposite day in the Democrat party these days. And it's not even a Democrat party anymore. You think of what many years ago, the Democrat party at least claimed they stood for helping the working class. They're totally opposed to that now. They don't care about the working man at all. They're globalists. They want open borders. They want higher taxes.

They want to take those policies that have destroyed California and Oregon and Washington and Illinois and all of our big major cities. And they want to bring those to our states.

And it will be the destruction and end of Arizona if a Katie Hobbs were to ever win.

I don't think she will. In her history, the media won't tell you, but she's a twice convicted racist who's cost the taxpayers nearly $3 million. She paid women of color in her office $30,000 less than the men doing the same job. You know, she's voted against border security, whether it be the border wall, a virtual border wall, asking the federal government to reimburse us for the cost of the open border. And then she co-sponsors legislation to start sex ad in kindergarten. I'll tell you, I've known kindergarten teachers in my life, not one of them got into being a teacher because they want to talk to five year olds about sex. That's why we're losing good teachers. They're fed up.

Yeah. We're talking to Carrie Lake. Fantastic candidate for governor in Arizona. The website Carrie That's K a R I You got a few, a few bucks. Send it her way.

It's a race for governor in Arizona. And folks, it's a lot more than that. Please trust me in this one America. I think you know what's going to save America candidates like you.

You don't have to ask her. I do. I do it for I was a candidate. Kara, I know how uncomfortable it is. And I try to take that weight off my guests on the show because it sucks. You're growing up. Your mother told you two things. Don't brag about yourself and don't ask people for money. When you run for office, you have to violate those. So I do it for the sender a few dollars. I'm telling you, this is the future of our movement right here. People like you, people like Ron DeSantis who take it back to them. I'll end with this because I want to let you get back in the campaign trail. You had a video out the other day.

Couple of media goons showed up, tried to impugn your integrity, calling you an election denier. You don't deny elections. You have questions about elections, which every American citizen should. You completely destroyed them. We played the clip on the show. You brought receipts of multiple Democrats actually denying election results. How did that feel when that was over? And what did those morons do after you eviscerated them all in front of all those cameras?

They packed up their cameras, tucked their tail between their legs and walked away. I got to give my, um, one of my favorite people, we have such a great crew, Anthony. He's 20.

He's a hardworking kid who loves Arizona. You know, homegrown kid. He came up with the idea. He said, if they asked you about being an election denier, you should give him this and he showed me that when he printed out, I said, Anthony, you're genius. Now I call Anthony my 20 year old, um, assistant. I call him the most trusted journalist in America.

We gave him, we gave Anthony a shout out just an hour ago on the show because we thought that was so funny how he had this stuff just ready to roll and the confused looks on their faces as you produce receipt after receipt of Democrat, Democrat spokespeople, Democrat candidates for governor denying election. It was just glorious. How you pulled that off.

Loved it. I got to tell you, Dan, you know, I know you said you ran. It was an unsuccessful bid. It's never unsuccessful because I'm sure you pushed the ideas that are so important to this country. You just ran too early. We need you to run now.

No, no, no, my times. I have free, you know, Carrie, I, I, I, sir. And I think you're going to win knock on wood. I don't want to get out of my skis. Everybody needs to vote and bring 10 people with them to vote for Carrie Lake.

Um, yeah. Well, a competent opponent is in charge of the election. So that concerns me.

I worries me, worries a lot of people, but I'll tell you after I lost and I hope this doesn't happen to you and I don't think it will. But I met a really smart guy one time and he said to me, you know, Dan, he said, sometimes you ask God for an answer and it's no. And that's okay. And my time is up. I mean, my time now is to help people like you save this country. And this microphone means a lot to me. And we are very careful with our guests. We have a no squish rule on this show. And when I get behind someone for whatever it's worth to you, it matters. And I know you're the real deal. And I pray that people like you get elected. So I'm going to let you get back to the campaign trail. Folks, please send her a few dollars. Carrie Please. I'm asking you personally, as all of it helps is 18 days. You got it, ma'am. I'll be talking to you on my weekend show.

Yeah. Thank you. We love you. I keep you in my prayers. I know you've had some help battles and just thank you for using that microphone for good. We need more people like you.

It's the best I can do. Carrie Lake. Thank you so much. All right, folks. She is the real deal, man. We are very careful with our guests here, especially with 18 days to go on an election. And I'm telling you, she deserves every second of that every time. Send a few dollars over there. Believe me, it's invested wisely. All those people who invested in my congressional campaign saved me to this day. You know what? You may have lost, but we never have you on the microphone. If we didn't send that five bucks as a future of our party, her Ron DeSantis, we got others out there too. But I'm telling you, the real deal.

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All right, I just told you yesterday we typically don't do two guests in a show unless something important happens in the second day in a row. It's two guests, but you all love Dan Harowitz.

So I want to welcome back to him to the show. He's one of the few people I trust out there for actual COVID information. Dan, thanks for joining us last minute. We appreciate it.

Hey, great to be with you. Never an unimportant day these years.

Yeah, I know it's crazy. I thought it was going to be a slow news week and exploded on me. So please, we go to you, Dace, Kierpen, Berenstin, whenever we need actual information about what's going on with COVID. Please explain to us what's going on with ACIP and the CDC vote today with this vaccine. And what does it mean for parents who then may be forced to give this vaccine to their kids? You walk us through with the facts.

Sure. So as of 3pm yesterday, we were told by CDC's Immunization Division Chief, Dr.

Jose Romero, that there was no plan for CDC at this point to place the COVID shots on the childhood immunization schedule. But here we are. I mean, as I have the screen up here, it's about 13 minutes from now. They are going to be voting on exactly that. There was a question brought up when I tuned in after my own podcast. I didn't see the whole briefing today. But one brief was this. Dr. Woody was asked, how could the CDC add an unlicensed emergency use authorization shot to the schedule? And it was like, hey, we checked with the Office of General Counsel and they said it's okay. So Dan, there's not. They're going to do it any minute. I'm assuming it's going to be unanimous. All 15 votes as it usually is because they're all bought out by the industries. And what this means is this, if you're in a blue state, it doesn't directly say that states must mandate it. But typically they do follow it. And there's a lot of money tethered to these recommendations, as you well know.

But even the red states, I mean, as of now, I've only seen Joseph Laddapo, the Florida Surgeon General, speak out and say, hey, this is not happening here. I have not seen any of the other red states speak up, which is pretty disturbing. But I think the broader motivation here beyond how it's going to affect schoolchildren is to absolve all the manufacturers permanently of any liability. Because once the PREP Act goes away and the emergency goes away, if they ever do terminate it, then theoretically, it could be subject to some degree of liability.

So by putting it on the child immunization schedule, it's covered by the NCBIA of 1986, which essentially says any childhood scheduled vaccine is absolved from all liability.

So that's an important point. That's where I need you and Phil and Steve, because this is where I only trust you guys. And I mean that you think this is a financial motivation because this kind of, Dan, this crept up on us kind of out of nowhere. I mean, as you said, this wasn't on the agenda. You listen, nobody knows Democrats better than you. Gosh, you would want to talk political strategy folks talk to Dan Harwood.

Democrats are typically tactically smarter than this, Dan. We're 19 days before an election.

You're going to piss off mama and papa bear 19 days before an election and say, oh, by the way, we're going to throw this thing on the schedule, which is going to lead a lot of states to basically de facto mandate them that you have this thing into your kid's arm.

So you're suggesting there's a financial motive here and a lot of other people feel the same because it doesn't seem to make any political sense. And we know politics is a large, large swath of this thing. Unfortunately.

So I mean, look, you look at the youngest cohort of children that the authorized it for only a few person opted for it. The new booster is only four or five percent. Even in Israel, it's extremely low. People are kind of done with it. So it's a little bit bizarre to all of a sudden make this extreme move. So I'm not saying you shouldn't be vigilant that they're going to mandate it, but I do think the primary motivation is the liability issue.

Yes, it's financial. But Dan, as you've seen this entire era, it's more than just money.

It's a way of life. It's the fourth Reich. It's the transhumanism. So this is kind of like you're, you know, in my religion, you get a circumcision when a baby is born. This is your, this is your christening. This is your circumcision. This is part of being one of the tribe. And it's a way of greasing the skids for about 15 other mRNAs coming down the pipeline. By the way, both human and animal, it does go into cattle. And that's a whole another issue that mRNA going into the food. They have to fully legitimize it and tether this new, very problematic technology with the more established vaccines that most people seem to be okay with so that, hey, it's covered by the same legality, the same immunity, and then they could keep churning this out. So it's not just these shots, but I think it's for the future as well.

Yeah. I know I agree with you. Your analysis there is spectacular and it is commensurate with exactly what I've been saying for a while now that this clearly, we're not in the realm of science anymore. Tom Massey, you know, really fantastic Republican congressman has a tweet out with one of the CDC's own slides from the meeting on childhood vaccines, Dan, and it has COVID associated hospitalizations by age group. Massey had to put an arrow on the chart to find the five to 17 year olds because it's like an asymptote at the bottom.

You can barely see it. And this wasn't even people there due to COVID. It was just people in the hospital who tested COVID positive. So I mean, have we lost all ability to analyze risk? This just sounds crazy.

And they said all day that the benefit outraised the risk. I mean, I could throw a million things at you and as you well know, it's a pretty much right about this every week, but just a couple of things to consider. CDC's own the safe data. So it turns out that all along they actually were tracking it and they had about 10.2 million people who signed that little card when they got the shot that they would update them on what happened to them.

And there were over 70 million adverse events and it turns out that 7.7% had to see a doctor for an average of about three visits post vaccine from injury. 7.7% had a clinical level injury. We now know from a Saudi survey that came out, depending on the type of shot, you know, AstraZeneca versus Pfizer or the dose one or two, between 7 and 13% from what I can see had either chest pain, shortness of breath or some form of arrhythmia, irregular heartbeat. That's heavy duty aside from the 40, 50, 60% that experienced flu like symptoms and malaise and whatever. There's something really, really wrong there. And I think that Dyke was starting to break on some very disturbing news. I mean, I have to continuously up my estimate as to how many people died, likely died and were likely injured and the long term injuries and the cancers. This is all going down. I mean, this is not funny. And one other disturbing thing I need to share with your listeners, Public Health Scotland, you might have heard this last year, their neonatal deaths suddenly doubled in September of last year, now again in March of this year. Now that's a big problem because infant mortality goes down every successive year. And this has been that way for like 50 years in every Western country.

Yeah, technology, right, right.

Yeah, every Western country. So to suddenly reverse that trend is really, really bizarre.

And they said they were going to investigate it. And they said it's not COVID last year, but then they didn't say what it was. And then it happens again this year, it breaches the upper bounds of their warning signs, okay, do another investigation. Then they say, well, it's not the vaccines. So I figured, all right, well, how did they study? What did they do?

And the Scotland Herald reports on this, they had some public information request emails they got. It turns out they never studied the vaccination status of the mothers that lost their babies within 30 days or whatever. They never studied it. They just said it's not plausible that there's a link. They didn't study it. Why didn't they study it? And they openly say that look, there's no public health difference because we're not going to stop the vaccines. That was a given. We're not going to stop it.

So we don't want people to lose confidence. And the outcomes of such analysis while being uninformative for the public health decision making had the potential to be used to harm vaccine confidence at a critical time. So we are now living in the fourth rite where you could have something that potentially kills everyone. And they'll be like, we don't want to study it because it might kill everyone. And then people will find out and they won't want to take it. Like what? What did you just say?

I'm just saying that I'm out of control. All the indicia here of cult-like behavior.

I mean, actually, I don't mean like how the left refers to us, which is just silly and stupid. We're all free thinkers here. I mean, these are actual indicators of clinical cult-like behavior. Like people who are willing to sacrifice the health and safety of themselves and their kids in order to align with some ideological golden calf god, big government that told them what to do in order to signal some shibboleth. Like you said, that they're part of some club of big government cultists. I mean, this is, this is, this is crazy, dad.

Dan, I want a question. I only got a few minutes left, but what is the level of study they've done on these vaccines they want to force into our kids now? I had a dace on the other day and Phil Kurpin, Phil Kurpin seemed to indicate that they studied it on eight mice.

That sounds like a pretty substantial sample size of subjects before you go nuclear with something. Well, look, and, and a lot of the mice had problems too, it turns out. And, and they all got COVID, by the way, the mice got COVID.

A lot of people don't know that. But if you look in the FDA's own press release, they'll tell you that the safety was relied upon from the adult trial for a different version. So they literally didn't do any safety analysis. They did immunobridging. They look at antibody levels, but antibody levels, they admitted they don't tell you anything. What type of antibodies and what part of your body and as you well know, a lot of antibodies could be autoantibodies and problematic. I mean, this is unbelievable. But, but the Biden administration just announced earlier this week, they're playing for pandemics that they're going to have a lockdown for 130 days. And then they're automatically going to have vaccines by 130 days, that four months, and no clinical trials. It was it was to groom people into a new normal that we don't do clinical trials anymore. Now, even when we did them at the beginning of the pandemic, clearly they were falsified. But, you know, at least there were some sort of hurdle that they had to meet. I mean, this is crazy. But you look at republic ends, and I'm not even seeing this on their top 10. I'm not seeing any of them call for investigations on injury on gain of function. And by the way, the Biden administration promised more gain of function. They're not even they're not even promising to stop that.

They're doing the worst part. The worst part is they're not even hiding it. They just gave that grant to that Boston lab. They're not even hiding it. But I want to get one. I have the minute 30 seconds up. This is going to be if this passes today, I believe they're going to cause a political rebellion. I think there was going to be a red wave regardless.

I know republicans may not be the solution to all our problems, but democrats are certainly the cause of them. I think Gretchen Whitmer and the lockdown vaccine pushers, they go down and go down hard. Kathy Huckle, if this passes today, your thoughts, I got a hard minute left.

No, that is a good point. I mean, you know, some somehow in Michigan, the governor seems to be popular, which is bizarre. But this brings the issue back to the bread and butter of what so many people in Michigan suffered. I'm not going to lie to you, Dan, there's a part of me that is a little bit gleeful about this because my concern was they weren't doing this anyway. The biomedical state is not over with their finish the foundation, meaning now they're layering it up. They're not it's not over with the two republicans were ignoring the issue and it needs to be dealt with. So I think you're right. I'm hoping that this will spawn some sort of a backlash where we say, wait a minute, we need to pass federal and state legislation banning these trial lists, approvals, banning.

So just to be clear on what you're saying, you're saying, listen, it doesn't sound great, but if they were going to do it anyway, do it now before an election so we can vote your asses out and fix it. Okay. I got your point here. Good point. It's not a bad one. Dan Harwitz. Where can people find you, by the way? I know they'd love to follow you.

Well, kicked off of everywhere except for telegram at C 19 truth bombs as in COVID-19 telegram. That's where you see it on telegram. Okay, Dan Harwitz. Thanks a lot. When that book comes out, we got to have you and you and Steve back. You guys are great. Thanks for coming on last minute. We appreciate that was Dan Harwitz. Up next is one of my favorite Senate candidates anywhere in the country. Alaska Senate candidate, the only conservative in that race, Kelly Shibaka. But let me tell you first about our final sponsor folks, the stock markets in turmoil. And one month, the market lost 10% of its value even though the inflation is out of control. What's the Democrats plan? Of course, you know, spend more money, which will drive more inflation, which will make the money in your wallet worth less, make your savings worth less. You'll get battered here. How do you preserve your, your money and protect your savings? Well, do what I do. Use Birch Gold, the IRCH. You can own physical gold and silver and attack sheltered account with Birch Gold. If you're freaked out about the economy in the US dollar, then text Dan to 989898. Don't wait. Birch Gold will send you a free information kit on securing your savings with gold. I'm a customer. I'm really grateful that I am right now. And Birch Gold is legit. They've been around almost 20 years with five star views and thousands of satisfied customers. So check them out. Text Dan to 989898. Secure your future with gold. Do it today. Birch Gold. Past performance is not a guarantee. Future results, message and data rates apply. Here's Kelly Shibaka, Alaska, true conservative running against the Rhino. I call her Democrat, Lisa Murkowski, who must be defeated by the way. She's a strong conservative voice. Kelly Shibaka. And you need to hear from her. Take a listen.

All right. We've had her on before. She was a huge hit. You all love there. We're trying to put candidates on the show. We're a little heavy on, on candidates over the next 20 days, obviously, because it's a critical election. It's the most important one of your lifetime until the next one. No, I mean it. It's that critical. And then the next one will be just as critical. Let's welcome back to the show. Kelly Shibaka running in Alaska for the United States Senate, the only conservative on the ballot. How are you? Welcome back.

I'm fantastic. Thank you so much for having me. It's always great to be with you.

Oh gosh, come on. It's a pleasure. We've really followed your campaign and enjoyed it from the start. I'm so glad you're taking on Democrat Lisa Murkowski. I get it. I, she runs as a rep. I know the whole route. She's not so, you know, I'm not even entertaining any of that stuff. The woman is to the left of Lenin. How does it look up there in that race in Alaska? Because there's a problem we have, Kelly. You need to win this seat. You're the only conservative in the race because she is really effectively a Democrat with the things that matter, especially judicial nominations and things like that. So what I could see happening, Kelly, is sadly we could get to a 51, 49 majority. And then what would happen if Lisa Murkowski gets reelected is the entire nation's fate would be in the hand of a Republican who's really a Democrat. That's why we need you to win. Wouldn't you agree? You better say that. You're absolutely right. That's functionally what happens now is oftentimes she just saves Kamala, the walk down Pennsylvania Avenue and gives the tie breaking vote over to Joe Biden.

She does the bidding of Joe Biden about 80% of the time. You're right. She is functionally Democrat. That's why the Alaska Republican Party censured her and removed her from membership that she's not allowed to run as a Republican, but she and her campaign team re-engineered the election rules in Alaska and changed how we do elections so that you can call yourself whatever you want on our ballot. They got rid of party primaries. And for that reason, Murkowski and I are actually in the final election together right after our primary.

All the polls were saying the same thing. It's a 50-50 tie, but I'm excited to let you know that now polls are saying that I have a five to seven point lead over her. Even 538 is recording that it looks like I'm going to win with a 53%.

Oh, that's a pretty consistent the last couple of weeks. I know it's exciting. So what I'm doing for that. Yeah, I'm out here knocking thousands of doors. Me, my husband and the kids, that's a grassroots movement in Alaska. 2,500 votes is 1%. This is the closest Senate race and the least expensive Senate race in the nation. If the audience wants to help out, I'm at We can buy a lot of ads for a little bit of money to help move the people in the middle to come over to our side to vote. And that's how we'll win. Folks, I'm going to do this work, Kelly, because I ran for office and I can tell you, and I think Kelly, you'd agree. The single worst experience running for office.

I enjoyed it. I had a lot of fun. You know, I'm not going to tell you some kind of pity sob story. It was fun. I enjoy talking to people, but the worst part is asking people for money. It's horrible. You just your mom and dad tell you growing up, don't brag about yourself and don't ask people for money. And that's what politics is. So I'm going to do our favorite Folks, if you got a few bucks, five bucks, the $1, $10, $20, whatever it may be, this is a really pivotal race. I'm not kidding. We could win a 5150 majority. Get Lisa Murkowski in there in Alaska. And she is, she's effectively a Democrat.

It's useless. So this is a consider this a suite that would, a seat that would swing in our direction. Kelly, one of the things that you'd be really important for the listeners who may say, well, you know, what do I care about an Alaska Senate seat, which my listeners are smart. They don't say that kind of stuff. But if they were Alaska is floating on a sea of oil and gas, now Joe Biden in the administration has been terrible, terrible at allowing Alaska to develop its, its, its sea of natural resources. He gave a speech today saying he's doing everything in his power to make sure that states like yours and you're laughing already. It's, it's, it's hilarious. Isn't that he's doing, he's actually stopping Alaska from helping the country out with our oil and gas.

Joe Biden targeted Alaska for shutdown on day one. In fact, his administration has leveled 26 direct executive actions at Alaska to shut down our state. And it's been through these radical environmentalist nominees that Senator Murkowski has put in office, sometimes with tie breaking votes. And so this affects all of America. Energy policy used to be a political thing. Now it's a personal thing. I didn't get political until last year. We're all feeling it. We have Alaskans who can't pay for gas and groceries. And that's most of us. So how are we living up here? We're living off of the cans and the game and the fish that we caught and killed. That's it. It's canned food and it's game and it's fish. That's how Alaskans are living. I don't think any state in the nation is suffering as much as our state is. So it's funny to laugh at Joe Biden when he says stupid stuff like that.

But in Alaska, we're crying and we're hurting. That's the reality of every Alaskan up here.

And it's not just oil and gas. Let me tell you what our state does for the United States of America. We have enough oil and gas to fuel the United States of America. It's our critical minerals that can create the United States of America. It's our timber that builds the United States of America, our affordable housing that's being affected because we're not allowed to touch a single piece of wood up here. It's our fish that feeds the United States of America.

Every fish on your menu, almost all of it comes from Alaska waters. And it's our national security position that can protect and defend the United States of America. And it's obviously our tourism that inspires the United States of America. But we can't do any of that if we don't have leadership in the center of the United States in Washington, DC. It won't be bought and bullied by the DC establishment insiders. And that's what's happening right now. Alaska is the foundation for this country. And that's why they're targeting us for shutdown because you don't have America first leadership in the middle of the nation.

Yeah, we're talking to Kelly Shibaka. She's running for Senate in the state of Alaska against a Republican who's really a Democrat, Lisa Murkowski. The website is Kelly for Kelly, they instituted a ridiculous system of ranked choice voting in Alaska, which has everybody furious. For our listeners out there, what's the best strategy to get you elected? I know this sounds like a dumb question because in a regular election, you pick Kelly Shibaka or Lisa Murkowski, right? But that's not what's happening. With ranked choice voting, I know because I get the emails. There are still people confused as to how this works. What is the best way to ensure you, the only conservative in this race, wins his pivotal potentially swing Senate seat? The best scenario is that we get more than 50% of the votes on election night. And to do that, we want people to rank Kelly Shibaka bubble in the number one, then leave everything else blank and go to the next race. So if you're listening in your Alaska and voter, that's the best and simplest scenario. Rank Kelly Shibaka one and move on. Nothing else happens to your ballot. It doesn't disqualify your ballot. You don't need to listen to any of those fear messages that come from camp Murkowski, where she can only have a fighting chance at keeping her 41 year Murkowski monarchy in place. Your second place votes just vote Kelly Shibaka number one and move on. Please do this, folks, because this is how we got stuck with a Democrat in the out and the at large seat. I mean, this is an abomination. You have this blood red state Alaska. I mean, Patriots, these the people, the Alaskans sweat Liberty and freedom, man. They sweat that stuff. You guys, there is nothing more America than Alaska. My neighbor down the block. It's her favorite vacation. Believe me, she's rich. She go wherever the heck she wants. She swears by Alaska. She loves it. And then we have a Democrat sitting in the house seat. I know we're here talking about your race, but just quickly, do you think we're going to we're going to get that back with either Nick or Sarah and that please tell me you're optimistic because we can't have that. I think Alaskans are smart enough to figure out the best way to get that seat back is to bubble in both Nick and Sarah. That way we don't split the vote. But I'll tell you, you're absolutely right. There is a full on effort up here.

We've never seen anything like it, Dan. They've got millions and millions and millions of dollars of dark money flooding into this state from the DC establishment to try and keep Murkowski in her seat and try and keep that Democrat in the house seat because they'll do what the establishment wants them to do against the interests of all the freedom loving Alaskans up here. I've got Mitch McConnell dumping up to $9 million in smear ad lie campaign up here against me so he can keep Murkowski in that seat because Murkowski will do whatever the establishment wants. Remember McConnell and Murkowski sided with Joe Biden and passing through that radical gun control legislation and red flag laws.

And that's completely against what Alaskans want. Even Democrats carry guns in Alaska.

And these are the kind of things they're trying to push through against the will of the people in Alaska. So we need your help. Everyone who's listening at Kelly for a K. Dot com Alaska is the foundation of America. These votes matter to you and we need your help. A little bit goes a long way. Yeah, it does. And folks, we're talking to Kelly Shibaka, the conservative candidate for the U.S. Senate in Alaska. Remember, only Alaskans can vote for her, but her vote matters to you. It's this is there's only 100 seats and whatever she does makes a big dish. She could be the swing vote. So this is really important. Just explain to the audience that why why races are expensive or cheap. A guy ran in a really expensive area, Maryland, that covered basically three states, Del Mar, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia. And so the TV audience is expensive in Alaska, which is not a really densely populated state. The TV markets, they're relatively cheap. So, you know, I don't like campaign strategy so much, but the audience, I think finds it interesting. You know, for maybe a couple thousand dollars, you can buy a boatload of radio and TV that could really swing swing a race. Whereas in Florida, with all these media markets in Maryland, you can't do that.

Yep. That's absolutely right. The cost of difference in a campaign in Alaska is tremendous.

Like I can buy statewide radio ads for $5,000, a statewide mailer for $35,000. Dan, I can see your mouth dropping wide open right now. Wow. That that that my block is $35,000 for a mailer. Really, Sue, Sue's point right? This the island is $35,000.

Exactly. TV ad will cost me maybe 20 to $30,000. It is the way that the way that other people have said it is quote, it's the cheapest Senate seat to buy. That's the what that's what makes us Alaskans gag. And we know dark money is coming up here to try and buy our Alaskan Senate seat. The way that I'm explaining it to audiences while I'm on this road trip throughout all of Alaska is I don't need a lot of your donations to fight back and get the truth out. We just need to put out some targeted digital ads and targeted radio, some targeted mailers to the people who are still undecided. And the truth really goes well in Alaska. We're a small town, big state. We communicate very well with each other about what's happening and we don't like dark money and we don't like lies. We talk straight. My dad always said, talk straight kid. They might not like what you say, but they always know where you're standing. That's called integrity. And that's the way we roll up here. And that's all the truth I need to get out. So a little bit of money goes a long way in Alaska. This is the best return on investment. If you're looking to make a difference in this campaign year.

And unlike Joe Biden, Jim, I believe Kelly's dad actually told her that Joe Biden said, my pop said he just makes it up. Whatever the days. Kelly, last question we're talking to Kelly Cheebacca, conservative candidate for Senate in Alaska. Kelly for a If you'd like to send some money her way, the borders in enormous crisis. I, you know, I get it. You're up in Alaska, but you will potentially be a United States center. Your vote is going to matter a whole hell of a lot. We have got to seal this border. The drug crisis coming across this border is affecting you in Alaska dramatically.

Yeah, absolutely is. And Alaskans care very much about the border. Remember, we have a very large border with Canada. So border policy is a huge policy for Alaskans. And we're very concerned about the fact that an open border is not a border. And our Senator Murkowski is extremely complicit in all of the votes that have allowed for chain migration and this open border and even allowing illegal immigrants who come across the border and commit multiple crimes against innocent U. S. civilians to stay here and not have to be deported. And so Alaskans are furious about this. We can't be involved in all of these other issues across the country and in other foreign affairs. When we have this crisis at the border, one of the ways that Alaska Native leaders said it to me is it's very disturbing to see illegal immigrants coming across the border being treated better than our first peoples here in Alaska, our first nations, Alaska Native out in rural Alaska being treated. Those are some of the concerns being spoken up here in Alaska. And I think those are should be concerns across the nation. Oh, it's so true. Americans are being treated worse. I'm sorry, I got to go. But you're so right. I mean, the mayor of New York City, liberal mayor of New York City, he's got this Xboxes, they get their laundry done cable TV for illegal immigrants. And then you got American citizens in Alaska built this country getting screwed over sitting out in the cold. That's total crap. And I'm glad you brought that up. The website is Kelly for a, one of the best candidates I've seen come along in a long time for the U.S. Senate Kelly Cheebaaka. Good luck in the race. If you need to come back, just please do let us know the day I have to I must get you elected. I am committed to this. It is so important to me. You got it, Kelly. Good luck. We'll see you soon.

Bye bye. You got it, folks. Please. That race is hugely important. Murkowski is a disaster.

I have been warning you about her and Joe Manchin for years. I promise you she is a mess. We got to get Kelly in there.