The After Show: A Killer Renovation

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Hi there, everybody.

I'm Deborah Roberts, and welcome to another episode of 2020 The After Show.

Today, we are talking about a story that I won't forget because I had an opportunity to report this one.

It was called a killer renovation and that's exactly what happened.

It tells the story of a young and successful mom, Shanti Cooper Traunas, who is murdered in her own home in the midst of a renovation, leaving behind an eight-year-old son and her husband at the time, David Traunas.

I remember this story so very well, partly because it was in the Orlando area where I had worked many, many years ago, and there were so many elements that were just unforgettable.

Everything from a TV show about zombie house flipping to the unearthing of her husband's secret life, which eventually led detectives to him as the killer.

Joining us to take a deeper dive into the behind the scenes of this episode is producer Blue Browning and field producer Emma Pisha.

Hey guys.

Hi.

Hey Blue, you're getting to be an old hand at this.

It's good to see you again here.

Emma, you're your first time on the podcast.

Yeah, I'm excited.

Well, we talk about all of these stories, and I always like to bring the listeners in because oftentimes we bump into each other in the hallway, and we talk about either what we're working on, or in this case, this story, when we were working on it.

And, you know, Blue, I just was, when you came to me to talk about this story, I just remember just my mind was sort of blown with all the twists and turns.

It was in an area called Delaney Park in Orlando, a really beautiful area.

I had worked in that area as a local reporter, the central Florida area.

I didn't know about Delaney Park.

Tell us about that area, why that was sort of striking to you against this backdrop.

So going there and seeing it firsthand myself when I arrived, because my mom lives in Orlando, but I had never heard of this area myself.

And so it's just, it's right off of downtown.

Orlando, right next to our hospital, but it's beautiful streets, manicured lawns.

All this old moss, Spanish moss.

Yes.

And just in the neighborhood, the neighbors, they're so close knit.

Emma and I, we got to meet some of them, and this wasn't in the show, but they even have a text chain that they communicate with one another.

I've even talked to Ron Gordy, one of the neighbors who was in the show, he said they even had an occasional cocktail hour together.

They had swans out on the lake where they'd all take an active role in raising babies every spring.

Some of them would even travel together.

So they're very close-knit.

And it almost reminded me of that movie, The Burbs with Tony Hayes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It was a beautiful old neighborhood, Emma, and that was what struck me too.

It just felt, as Blue said, very close-knit and it felt peaceful.

You wouldn't have expected anything tragic, which is what we hear often when we do these stories.

Nobody would expect that here.

Let's talk about, though, when you're out there in the field and you're trying to help bring these stories to life for us.

And in a place like this, you're trying to figure out what to shoot.

Before we get to the details of the story, tell me about your approaching the scene and just trying to figure out how we're going to put it together.

Yeah.

You know, it's interesting for this particular show, we really lucked out because a lot of people let us film in their natural habitats.

We were filming in people's houses and all the neighbors were welcoming and like were totally willing to have us sit in in their houses, in their garages.

And you always want to find the spots that represent the neighborhood, right?

So actually So many of the neighbors were super kind about it.

Ron Gordy, like Blue just mentioned, we were setting up our shot and he was like, oh, you know, my partner and I have to go on a run, but if you want to follow our car, I'll just point out different spots that like mean something to the neighborhood and so we kind of just followed him around and then made a mental map and went through and shot them after which gave us a real flavor of this community well Blue let's talk about the couple Shanti Cooper Tranas and her husband David Shanti had been married before that marriage ended in divorce but they had this lovely son Jackson She had met this new guy online who happened to live in Minnesota.

I remember that because they hit it off pretty quickly.

Before you knew it, he moved to Florida.

And some people in her life thought it was a little strange that because she was this very smart, successful woman, a financial consultant.

Talk about that relationship and the two of them connecting.

They met on match.com and he was, you know, like you said, living in Minnesota at the time.

David described this as his second shot at love.

They had the deep, soulful, meaningful connection, he said.

But he also, he had worked at a company called 3M in Minneapolis and was apparently successful.

And he was able to retire from that business in his 50s with a sizable amount of income.

So she got the impression that he had money.

Money.

And that he was doing well.

He had been married before.

Yes.

And there were people who thought that she moved really quickly.

This guy came into her life.

They move into this house.

They begin this big renovation.

We saw incredible videos of the house as kind of a shell, bare bones, wood planks, and they were living there.

Yes, which it was wild.

When you see these videos, how did anybody live in this house?

But we did learn that it was uninhabitable.

And so basically they had to live in this garage.

It's almost like a separate house.

It was the garage loft.

Shanti and her son lived upstairs.

And we later found out that there were some problems in the marriage.

And David was living in the garage, sleeping down there with the dogs.

So it wasn't this dream home or dream scenario situation.

It sounded from everybody that we heard, this was very stressful.

Yeah,

as renovations can be.

Two or three years

since you've been doing the renovation.

Right.

Right.

She left David in charge of that renovation, and it got worse and worse and worse.

David hired and fired construction crews regularly.

It seemed like, okay,

Dave's got this contractor.

Good.

Now we're moving forward.

A week or two later, oh, well, we let this guy go.

She would tell me, well, we tore this out and we did this, but now now we got to get new blueprints because this is going on.

You're just like, oh my gosh.

It's just an open area.

There's no floors.

There's no walls.

There's nothing separating.

It's just a big open room.

My mom wouldn't let me walk in there because there was nails everywhere.

The floor was literally taken off.

We had to walk in place to get around.

Emma, what about the house itself?

Because it was like really ornate and these fixtures.

I mean, for listeners who may not have seen the program, describe this house because I remember just thinking, it had potential to really be beautiful, but it's a little bizarre.

Yeah, it's kind of a stately sore thumb almost in that, in that like the whole neighborhood is very well manicured.

Everyone takes really good care of their homes and they're all kind of different architectural styles a little bit.

And this one specifically was very interesting because it has gargoyles on it.

Oh, yeah.

And I've never seen gargoyles on just a regular house before.

Like, it's not a mansion, you know, it's a regular home, but there are gargoyles on top.

And it now, because no one's living there, it's covered in vines and everything is overgrown and like kind of miss havisham-y.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

In a sense,

it's just kind of a jungle area in the middle of this really beautiful community.

And this community is having to live with it.

Blue, was there any symbolism for you between the house and, if you think about it, Shanti's story as we were telling it?

Well, just in the interviews that we did, this didn't even make it into the show as well, but Ryan Veschio, the former prosecutor, he even saw the symbolism.

And I just made a note here of what he said, but he said said the house was representative, I think, of the relationship between Shanti and David.

From the outside, everything looks polished and expensive and in place.

But as soon as you looked inside the house, you saw that there was utter decay.

He said it's the same about this marriage.

Shanti and David were so into giving this outward expression of love and togetherness and helping to raise Jackson.

But as soon as somebody actually looked inside, it was turmoil.

Shambles.

There was broken pieces.

There was things literally decaying and falling apart.

He says says he thinks that's what led to this incident.

Yeah.

Well, let's talk about the incident because this was really stunning for that tranquil community.

So David Traunis calls police to his home, says his wife is unconscious in the bathroom tub.

And, you know, they get there and they declare that she's dead.

And it was a shocker to everybody.

And of course, he seemed to be shocked and police seemed to just think this guy, you know, what happened?

He's sort of implying that either she fell or something to that effect.

And police initially just think this is an accident in the home, right?

Yeah, because she had been having symptoms of illness.

They were kind of wondering if that maybe she had fallen while she was ill and that,

you know, led to her hitting her head.

But clearly that was not the case.

Yeah, upon closer look, these detectives who worked so hard at this case.

I love these two women, by the way.

I love them.

They found that she had been brutally strangled and beaten.

And this was not some drowning or slip and fall in the bathtub.

Yeah, Orlando PD detectives Teresa Sprague and Barbara Sharp.

I want to talk more about them, but we're going to take a quick break and we're going to talk about David Traunas' double life and those two amazing detectives who knocked down his lies.

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We are back now talking about our 2020 episode called A Killer Renovation.

It was one that just kept us thinking and our mouths were dropping the whole time we were putting the story together.

Shanti Cooper Tron is found dead at her home and police are on the scene.

They've been looking into the case.

And let's talk about how they were doing the digging and the legwork.

As I said earlier, there were detectives whom I had a chance to interview down in Florida, in Orlando, and they were focused on trying to find justice.

But what I loved about it was that they were kind of reminded me of Cagney and Lacey, right?

They were a little bit different, the two of them, but they brought something very different to the case.

And they just got into it when they were doing interviews and when they were talking to David Trannis.

Emma, what'd you make upon meeting them?

Oh, I loved them.

They were awesome.

They're so smart and so kind.

And it, it really, I mean, I was fortunate enough just to shoot the b-roll.

I didn't get to sit down for an interview, but they were willing to help out with anything we asked.

And they were super prepared to make sure that we could show everything that they had.

And a lot of fun.

And we were shooting B-roll at night.

And B-roll, we should explain to listeners, it is just like the footage.

Additional visuals, yeah, to set the scene.

We had just finished filming them in their offices, and the cameraman and I went out to film some nighttime shots of the Orlando PDA office.

And Detective Sharp actually came out and hung out with us because she was like, you know, it's nighttime.

You're near the precinct.

Like, might as well give you a little bit of extra security, which was really very lovely.

It was really nice.

They said the same thing to me when they came to the interview location, Blue, which happened to be in a kind of a rough section of town, let me tell you.

And they said to me, no, we want to make sure we keep an eye on you.

In one of the interviews, though, oh my gosh, I don't remember which one said it blue, but she said, this is like a 2020 episode.

That is so funny that you brought that up too, Deborah.

And I'm glad you did because that was Detective Sharp.

Yep.

And I said, Wow, she said it because it was so many twists and turns.

You just didn't know where this case was going to go.

It truly was like a TV episode.

And when they started off interviewing David Traunas, and they're doing like any investigator does in all these stories that we cover, you know, if there's a couple involved, they're going to start with the spouse, right?

So they start questioning him.

And at first, he was cooperative.

I don't think he raised any red flags until they began to talk to him.

You brought David Traunas?

This is interview room six.

This is where we interviewed Mr.

Traunas.

Okay.

So now he is a man who has just lost his wife.

Yeah.

Clearly upset about it.

I mean, you let him know that you feel badly for what has happened, right?

First of all, on behalf of the Atlanta Police Department, we want to say how sorry we are for your loss,

David,

and also for

everything that you're going through.

I know this is very

traumatic for you.

How does he say that he finds Shanti?

He said when he entered the loft apartment, the first thing that he noticed or observed was he said hello and he didn't get a response.

And then he heard the sound of trickling water, slowly trickling water.

He proceeds to the bathroom where he says he finds his wife face down in a tub full of rose-colored water.

The water's like half full.

She's submerged partially.

And it's just extremely

awful.

And it doesn't look natural.

Obviously, she fell or something happened.

They accused him of fake tears while they're interviewing him.

He was in that interrogation room for 14 hours.

Some of their colleagues said we would not have gone that long with him.

We probably would have started again the next day, right?

But they were dogged.

And I think you went to that room and you got to see it firsthand.

And I can't even imagine something horrific like that happening in my own life.

Being able to sit there in a room for 14 hours.

I would be pacing.

I'd be nervous.

But we saw him covered up in a blanket at times.

They told you that he would even switch between talking to them casually, then breaking into tears.

And they assumed it was some sort of an act.

But they didn't really believe the tears.

They didn't believe the tears.

Yeah.

What got got me was that they said he started giving them too much information.

Okay.

So his wife is found and there's a bloody scene.

And so he clearly is trying to give them information to explain.

And they're like, we didn't even ask you that.

So their radar went up, which is why they continued, continuous.

So they had deep suspicions about him in the very beginning.

So they eventually let him go.

They are suspicious of him.

Not much they can do about it at the time.

They let him go.

And then they start looking into their lives, Blue, Blue, and they are looking at his financial situations.

And then they start to discover he wasn't as wealthy as they thought.

Well, David had told Shanti that he was a millionaire, but the question always came up, if David always has all this money, why doesn't he help her buy anything?

And actually, Shanti was the one who was paying for all these renovations.

So over $200,000 in renovations.

She kept asking him, like, when is my name going to be on the deed?

When is my name going to be on on the deed?

And I think it never happened.

And so talking to the former prosecutor Ryan Vescio, he said, we had learned through the investigation, David, he claimed to be a multimillionaire that had inherited money from other family members, but they were never able to confirm that.

And that was important because they were just trying to differentiate, is this somebody who's really a millionaire or was he trying to latch on to someone and take advantage of them?

And all those details start to tell them something about the state of the marriage.

They questioned Shanti's former husband, and he's very cooperative.

Jim Cooper,

you know, obviously the divorce was contentious, so he is going to be one of those people that detectives want to rule out.

And I remember Detective Sprague and Detective Sharp saying, we haven't cleared him yet.

We got to clear him first.

So there was always that.

They have to, you know.

eliminate everybody so they can really start honing in on on David Tranez.

Her ex-husband, Jim Cooper, is cleared.

Police do not see him as a suspect.

And eventually, well, there was a bombshell in the story because David Trannas is married to Shanti by the outward appearances.

They have this lovely marriage.

But then,

then they discover some records that show that he had been going to a gym for gay men.

And that was so fascinating to me too, Deborah, because as we dug into the story, we interviewed multiple people, neighbors, friends, family members.

Nobody could tell us if Shanti knew that he was going to this gym or if she did know, was she just hiding it from everybody to put on this facade, that everything was great?

Well, by the time detectives learn about this, David had lawyered up and he couldn't be questioned to get a response.

So we never were able to confirm whether she knew.

And that was part of the reason why they didn't enter it into the trial.

So the detectives now are starting to think this wasn't even what we expected to find.

Now they're zeroing in on David Traunas even more.

Yes.

And I think we were trying to figure out what was the motive here.

Was it the home renovations?

Could it have been him going to this gym that could have started an argument?

I think that what the trial focused on, what the prosecutors at the trial, they focused on the home renovations.

Right.

They discover,

of course, that the husband is looking suspicious, but then they also blew.

I remember they revealed, you know, they started to look closer at the crime scene, and it didn't seem to be consistent with just a fall, and it looked like the body had been moved.

And these two were just dogged about how this might have happened.

They start in their minds recreating like how he might have killed her.

They don't have, you know, a murder weapon per se,

but they eventually charge him with murder.

Yes.

They're convinced he killed his wife.

I mean, the bathtub, the scene.

They noticed that the carpet was dry.

She was dry.

How could she have been in the bathtub?

So there were all these questions.

Things were not adding up as David Tranas had portrayed in that 14-hour interview to them.

And, you know, he claimed he was walking the dogs and he came home and found her in this bathtub.

But things were not adding up to the story that he was giving to them.

They wind up charging David Tranas with murder.

The trial goes on and

prosecutors don't really have a clear-cut case, right?

They don't have a murder weapon.

They don't have video cameras that tell them, but they are convinced that David Tronis did this, even though he claims that his wife fell in the shower.

And then they begin to present some evidence that she didn't really, that their blood wasn't just confined to the shower, that she didn't seem to have fallen in the bathtub, right?

Right.

So detectives had this theory that when Shanti was going to her bed that night, she was taking off her earring and putting it on the nightstand next to her.

And when she did that, they think that that's when she got the first blow from this attack.

The blunt trauma to the head to the head.

To the head.

They don't think that I'm assuming that they don't even think anything happened in that bathtub, that that was just something that they were, that David was trying to put forth as a story as to what happened.

Because what happened is they found blood underneath the bed, in the bed frame.

And they're thinking that whatever happened, that attack, it had to have happened on that bed because of the evidence of the blood.

I thought it was so interesting that one of the detectives said, as a woman, I'm thinking this is probably how it happened.

She was sitting here taking off one earring and then she gets hit over the head.

Blunt force trauma is probably what killed her, but that would explain why.

And a male detective might not have put that together.

Right.

But these two women actually did.

So prosecutors go with that theory that he had hit her over the head somehow and that she had died in that bedroom.

So he was not the suffering husband.

That trial was something else.

I mean, what surprised you guys about the trial?

I think that the fact that him going to the gay gym was not brought in at trial.

And I remember us asking the prosecutors who worked on the case, the current prosecutors, and they just said, not going to talk about it.

It's not relevant.

And so we never got a clear answer from them as to what they thought about that.

But we, you know, talking to other people, nobody could say if Shanti knew.

So I just thought that was really fascinating.

That they chose not to include it.

Totally.

And maybe they wanted to portray to the jury like a single idea and didn't want to muddle the waters per se as could this have been a motive?

Could this have been a motive?

Maybe they thought that sticking to the home renovations was the best strategy.

And that that was enough stress.

Well, there was somebody who attended that trial every day.

He was only eight years old at the time that his mom was murdered.

And when we come back after this break, we're going to talk about Shanti's son, Jackson, who I will never forget.

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We're back with Blue and Emma talking about our episode of 2020 that we worked on together called A Killer Renovation.

David Tranas was convicted.

He goes to trial in the death of his wife Shanti and a jury finds him guilty of her murder.

But we haven't really talked about Shanti's son, Jackson, who was eight years old at the time of the murder and just so, I don't even know how to describe it, just unforgettable and just so

self-possessed.

And he just sort of grabbed my heart when I sat down to do an interview with him.

By the time we talked to him, he was probably about 12.

And he just talked about wanting to be there for his mom and how important that was to him.

And I'm sure it wasn't easy for him to go on television for the very first time with us.

and talk about that.

Yes, Deborah.

And I remember that day that you interviewed him, you even spoke to Jim, his father, and you said,

should we have this interview in front of him?

I remember you saying that.

You wanted to be very sensitive.

And Jim said, it's okay.

We can interview me in front of him.

We've discussed this.

We've talked about this.

So I was amazed too.

And I think he, he's just grown up so much and had to do it so fast.

And hearing all these details, I'm sure it's so hard.

But

we were all amazed by his human spirit and all this.

And I remember the story on the day that he found out his mom had died.

He was at school and no one had picked him up.

And officers had to reach out to his dad, Jim, to pick him up.

And Jim said he knew something was wrong and he drove Jackson over to the house.

But left him in the car because he didn't want him to witness something.

But Jackson saw that crime scene tape.

But Jim said he regrets bringing him over there.

And the thing that touched me is when you asked Jim one of the hardest questions.

How do you tell an eight-year-old boy that his mom's gone?

That's got to be a hard thing to do.

Yeah.

The worst.

What about Jackson for you, Emma?

You had a chance to meet him and talk to him, and we're talking about interviewing him about such a sensitive and a traumatic time.

What were your impressions of him?

Oh, he's, I mean, he's a wonderful kid.

He has such incredible emotional intelligence.

I think talking to him, you feel like you're talking to someone who really is very self-possessed and self-aware.

And I wanted him to be able to tell me

like his most important things, right?

I didn't go in with questions.

I just wanted him to tell me what he loved about his mom and what he remembered.

Which is so important for when we go in to do these stories, how we approach people.

And I just, I pride myself and us as an organization in being sensitive and knowing that these are families that are dealing with trauma.

And I can tell it's really hard for my dad to say this, but he told me that my mom was gone.

And at first I didn't really understand what he meant, but as it sunk in, it didn't really feel real.

I didn't want to believe it.

I didn't believe it.

I thought that he was wrong and he made a mistake.

I was making so many excuses in my head and just to say like she's fine and she's alive.

But the days go on and the weeks go on and you realize that she's not coming back and she's what he said was true

and that she did pass away.

Blue, in court, Jackson actually read a statement, an impact statement.

I think he shared it with us as well, but it was really, really just hard-hitting about what he had lost in his mom.

He said that his mother's passing was like a hole in my heart that I can't fill or fix.

And he wanted people to know how good of a person his mom was.

And interesting thing about that, too, I remember on one interview, we had interviewed Ryan Veschio and a friend, Melissa, of Shanti's.

And Jim showed up at that shoot that day.

And he just told me that Any chance that Jackson gets, he wants people to know about his mom.

Whether that's on a YouTube channel or a TV show like ours or anything, he wants people to get to know who his mom is.

And the more people that see her, the more views, it's another chance for people to get to know his mom.

And I know Jackson is just so proud of her.

And Emma, you got these home videos that we got that show her with Jackson.

Yeah, they're spectacular.

I mean, they were on DVDRs, so they're like smaller DVD discs.

And the family, I don't think, had the right machinery to play them.

And so you're so young, I can't even believe you even knew what DVDRs were.

A little bit of googling.

You know, so we have the right equipment here in New York.

And so Jim was kind enough to send us all of that.

And it was a real honor to be able to send back like three, four hours of family footage that I don't think Jackson had ever seen.

Oh.

That painted a picture of his mother, how much they loved each other.

Well, he left an impression on the two detectives.

They actually gave him a little coin because they wanted to make sure he knew that they were seeking justice for his mom.

Yeah, they gave it to him as a promise.

But he has a lot of mementos of his mother in his bedroom, and the coin is right on top of his dresser with all the photos of her.

Very, very sweet.

I wanted to let you know too, Deborah, that Jim and I texted him yesterday just to follow up to see how he and Jackson are holding up because it's been a while since all this has happened.

He said Jackson is now 15, and Jim says he's as tall as him now.

He's wearing his clothes and Jim's about six foot three.

And Jackson just finished ninth grade.

He got good grades and he's working out at Jim's gym four days a week and he just started surf camp.

Oh, that's fabulous.

That's fabulous.

That's so nice that you still kept a relationship so that we can sort of, you know,

understand and follow up.

And I think that's so important in these stories.

And you made an impression on him too.

So, and he always asked, you know, when can I come visit Deborah?

You know, so well, he told me his grandma really liked me and I was like thanks Jackson

I appreciate that

they did also Jim also did give me an update about the whole situation with the house and they're still fighting with David Tronez behind bars trying to get the house they're trying to get funds unfrozen and the life insurance policies but that house still stands

you know with the overgrown shrubbery and and just it's basically a shell it's almost a hazard a safety hazard So, you know, going up there, there's plywood, plywood, boarded up.

People can't approach the house.

Yeah, it's got to be an eyesore for the neighbors.

But it's really, really nice to hear that Jackson is doing well.

And I'm glad you were able to stay in touch with him.

Tranas is in prison, we should say, and no signs of him being released.

And also, Deborah, his latest appeal was denied.

And he hasn't currently filed a new appeal yet.

So we'll see what happens if he does file a new appeal.

Yeah.

Okay.

we'll stay on the story.

Well, thank you guys.

Thank you.

It's great spending a little time with you.

And thank you all for listening to this episode of 2020, The After Show.

And of course, you can check out 2020 anytime on Hulu and Hulu on Disney Plus.

And of course, right here on the 2020 podcast feed.

The 2020 After Show is produced by Amira Williams and Sasha Aslanian with Sean Dooley, Brian Mazurski, and Alex Berenfeld of 2020.

Theme music by Evan Viola.

Janice Johnston is the executive producer of 2020.

Josh Collin is the director of podcasting at ABC Audio.

And Laura Mayer is the executive producer.

The twisted tale of Amanda Knox is now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney ⁇ .

Amanda, where did you go the night of Meredith's murder?

Do I need a lawyer right now?

Inspired by the infamous story.

We cannot do our jobs unless you are honest with us.

I swear to God, I'm innocent.

You only thought you knew.

For 15 years, I've been defined by something I didn't do.

Watch the new Hulu original series, The Twisted Tale of Amanda Knox, now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney Plus for bundle subscribers.

Terms apply.

In March 2017, police in Ketchiken, Alaska, got a worried call.

And I haven't heard from them, so I'm getting worried.

It was about a beloved surgeon, one of just two in town, named Eric Garcia.

When police officers arrived to check on the doctor, they found him dead on a couch.

Is it a suicide?

Is it a murder?

What is it?

From ABC Audio and 2020, Cold-Blooded Mystery in Alaska is out now.

Listen wherever you get your podcasts.