Devil in the Desert Bonus: The Third Man

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In a story like Devil in the Desert, sometimes there are a bunch of details that don't make it into the final version of the series, entire sidebars and plot twists that are so interesting, but we just can't quite fit them into six episodes.

I'm Brad Milke.

I'm host of ABC's Start Here podcast.

And as someone who was gasping with each twist and turn of Devil in the Desert, I'm I'm glad that we get to bring you one of these today in a special bonus episode.

Joining me today is the host himself, Matt Gutman, ABC's chief national correspondent, who first learned the story of Jose Nayeri more than 10 years ago.

He's been following it ever since.

Matt, great to have you here.

Hey, Brad, good to be back.

I think I've told you this before.

I'm from Orange County in California, where so much of this story takes place.

So I grew up around Newport Beach.

I grew up around Balboa Island.

I made the drives out to the desert.

So I was just transfixed by how unsettling these locations became because of the depravity of this story.

Obviously, Nayeri is the centerpiece of this series.

His name is the one that's most often associated with it, especially after the escape from jail.

But there are still other characters in the story that we haven't dwelled on as much.

So what I'd like to do here today for the true obsessives among us is ask you, who else needs to be talked about here?

Okay, I mean, obviously, there is a main cast of three perpetrators.

And the first one is the man that I spent years speaking to and exchanging letters with and finally meeting in jail, and that's Jose Nayeri.

He's the man investigators call the mastermind of the whole plan.

The other guy is Kyle Handley, who was given almost an identical sentence to Nayeri for his role in the crime.

This man, Michael, who was a dispensary owner, they believed he had a million dollars buried somewhere in the desert, took him out to the desert, tased, beat him, and eventually zip-tied his penis and cut it off, and the penis was never found.

So an extraordinary act, an extraordinarily heinous crime.

And the third man, this is Ryan Kvorkian.

And in the series, Brad, he's known as Mr.

Brown.

And we don't talk a lot about him, but what's so interesting about Ryan Kvorkian is that he actually gave a very detailed and long interview with investigators that proffer.

Remind me what a proffer is.

I know you guys mentioned this with the other proffer in here, but just as a refresher.

Basically, a suspect or defendant sits down with prosecutors and investigators.

It's supposed to be a no-holds-barred interview, and what they say can't be used against them in court.

Now, they can use stuff tangentially, and they can also use the information against other suspects or co-conspirators.

And in that interview, he was pretty detailed about how the crime unfolded that night.

He gave some shocking details that I actually hadn't heard before.

We also have to remember it's his perspective.

He is very likely self-serving, as almost any defendant or suspect would be.

But it does give us some insight both into exactly how that night went down, who did what, and what their thinking was.

Yeah, and so you know, the story that you've been describing is all in 2012, but this interview that happens in 2017, what I guess, what do we learn from his, again, from his perspective?

So remember, this is happening not long after Jose Nayeri masterminds this insane escape, which

is insane.

Everybody in Southern California is terrorized, especially anybody who had ever said anything against him.

So, you know, Ryan Kvorkin is a little bit afraid of this guy, and you can hear it in the interview.

And I just want to set the scene of what this interview is like.

Okay, it's September 14th at approximately 9:07 in the morning, and we are here.

So you can hear them sort of setting up the conversation.

And one of the things investigators want to know as they start is

what Nayeri's relationship was like with Ryan Kvorkian.

I met

Hussein in high school

on a wrestling team.

Things like that, you know.

What high school?

Close West.

Okay.

Remember, Nayeri was this high school wrestler.

Kvorkian was on the wrestling team with him.

They even went to the Marines around the same time.

In early 2011, Nayeri was already deeply involved in the medical marijuana business.

These two guys had a fight, and we're talking like two bears wrestling type of fight, like a huge knockdown, fist-throwing, knuckle-dragging fight.

And they completely stopped talking after being friends for, you know, almost well over a decade.

And then at some point in the late summer of 2012, just a few weeks before the attack, Nayeri reappeared in Ryan Kvorkin's life.

And he asked Kvorkin, hey man, you know, do you want to go out to lunch with me?

And so I get in a car with him.

We go to a little Mexican restaurant.

I can't remember what it's called, Don Duant or something on the Ming Bula or something like that.

I can't remember.

And we sit down, have lunch.

He says, so you look like you tell me you look like crap.

And I'm like, well, thanks.

Good seeing you two after all these years.

What do you want, pretty much?

You know what I mean?

What do you want?

Leave me alone, you know?

Like, I'm not bothering you, not bothering no one what do you want he's like uh i need your help i said what's going on

he says uh i have a little hit i want to do in uh newport area

and so he's talking about this house on the beach on that palm-lined street where michael lived and where mary had just moved in like a couple of days before he told me he needed money guy owed him some money whatever and uh pretty much he wanted me to be the wait and stuff he said so uh we're we're just going to surprise them at his house.

I'm going to get the money.

If any issues, I have you there with me.

If not, we're jamming.

The thing with Nayeri is that he gets these people back in his orbit.

And even though everything in the, every fiber in their being screams, don't do it, they do it.

And so, like, he eventually agrees to this deal to basically act as the muscle in whatever robbery it is that Nayeri has concocted.

Nayeri offered him a thousand thousand bucks plus a cut of whatever money they steal, and Kevorkian agrees.

He said, if anything,

worst case scenario, you'll get a thousand no matter what.

If there's more money involved this guy owes me, then I'll give you more.

And I said, okay.

Now remember, in Nayeri's head, Michael has a million bucks buried somewhere in the desert.

This is a big deal for them.

And so a week before the crime, Kevorkian says that he moved into Kyle Handley's house.

Like everything is starting to pick up.

And he ends up helping with the surveillance that Nayeri and Handley have been doing on Michael's house in Newport.

And as part of the surveillance, they're not just tracking his car.

They're not just following him.

Nayeri's gotten inside the house.

He's gotten video from inside the victim's house in Newport just days before the attack.

He showed me a videotape.

He had a videotape showing me what the house looked like and stuff.

Yes, he had a videotape.

Yes, from the inside.

He showed me actually what the house looked like from the rooms the rooftop uh

things like that what we're gonna hide things like that he showed me that where were you and they make a plan they pretend to be construction workers they're gonna sneak in through an unlocked balcony door hide inside in the attic until their target this guy michael came home So you were out there in the late afternoon.

You thought you were going to spend a couple hours.

A couple hours there, yeah.

And then when he got home?

So like in his mind, the plan is they creep in, they hide in the attic, they wait for Michael.

Michael comes home, they threaten him, maybe they have to rough him up a bit.

They get the money, they get out.

Obviously, that is not even remotely what ends up panning out.

He had the backpack, but I didn't, he took the backpack, but I didn't know what he had in there until we got to the upstairs.

And so what is in that backpack is what changes Ryan Kvorkian's understanding of what this is about entirely.

This is not just about muscle, and this night is going to be a lot longer than he or anyone else ended up expecting.

And we're already hearing stuff just in this proffer interview that we haven't heard so far in this entire series so far.

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Hey, we're back with Matt Gutman.

I'm Brian Milke, and we're breaking down some of the most compelling details about the third man in this twisted tale, Ryan Kvorkian.

So, Matt, in the first episode of the series, we heard from one of the victims of the crime, Mary Barnes.

She's telling the story from her perspective of being awoken in the middle of the night with a gun digging into her neck.

There's also another way to tell this story from a different perspective, the perspective of one of the attackers in the room.

And that's what you guys sort of get here.

Right.

So Kevorkian sort of adds the other side of that that we didn't know.

They're doing this in the middle or the early afternoon, and they hide in this like attic crawl-like space at the top of the house.

It's super hot there, and they're waiting for hours.

Night falls, and Nayeri, of course, is prepared.

Kevorkian realizes that he's got this big backpack, and not only does he have snacks and whatever they need for the hours, but Naeri has also packed guns, a pistol, and a pump-action shotgun.

And at this point, Kevorkin's like, dude, I'm not shooting someone.

Nairi was prepared.

He was prepared to shoot.

He told me right at the back.

He said, don't worry,

I'll get you out of here.

You know, you just run.

I said, well, yeah, someone's shooting you.

I'm going to run.

That's common sense.

And so Nairi doesn't just have guns in that backpack.

He's got some other equipment that Kevorkian says continues to ring alarm bells for him.

So he brought food and water.

Food and water.

He and zip ties.

And I asked him.

And ski masks.

And ski masks.

I asked him, what zip ties?

I asked him,

what's that?

He said, well, just in case it's not here.

I said, what's not here?

He said, the money.

I said, well, you told me the money was here.

He told me, shut up, don't worry about it.

He argued a little bit and stuff.

Pretty much, I was just like, you know,

I shouldn't have trusted you.

You know,

what's really going on here?

You know what I mean?

As it is, I'm stupid at being this out to begin with.

What are we going to zip tie the guy and then leave him here?

What's really going on?

He said, if it's not here, that's why I have him.

And what did that mean to you?

I'm thinking, oh, crap.

I'm thinking this guy, they're going to take this guy somewhere.

I was just about to say, Matt, when you hear like there's...

zip ties and then also like snacks, you're planning on being there for a much longer time.

And again, I guess Kvorkian has a reason to say, like, I didn't know anything in this session, but that, yeah, would sound like a very concerning.

Yeah.

I mean, I think what you just said is really critical.

Ryan Kvorkian has to be self-serving to some degree in this proffer, right?

He is trying to minimize his role in this as much as possible.

I mean, I don't think it's so outlandish that

in a home invasion that somebody would bring zip ties if you're trying to tie people down and keep them from using their phones or running away.

I mean, I don't find it that surprising.

I'm sure the officers didn't either.

But there is a problem that they didn't quite anticipate.

And that problem is a blonde woman in yoga pants named Mary Barnes.

The girl comes home first.

How did you know that?

Like you hear her.

She comes home from work.

She eats dinner in her room.

She gets ready for bed.

And this is something that Kvorkian simply did not expect.

I I said I want a part of it and stuff.

Then he starts getting kind of mad calling me worthless.

You know what I mean?

I said you should have told me this from the get-go.

You should have told me this from the get-go and stuff.

Kvorkian's like, hey, man, I didn't sign up for this.

I don't want to hurt a woman.

It's a big red line for me.

He continues to say it in the interview with police.

But now Mary's in her bedroom downstairs and Kvorkian realizes that she has to be part of the attack.

Everybody in the house is part of the attack.

What's What's about to happen is such a horror, but there is something kind of comic, Brad, in seeing these two like muscle-bound wrestler, you know, heavies

crouched in this attic with, you know, the litter of their snacks and some water bottles, sweaty and arguing about this crime that they're about to perpetrate and, you know, kind of bickering yet again.

And remember, they'd had like a knockdown, bloody fistfight barely a year earlier.

So this is not going great for them.

Obviously, they're in it.

A few hours later, they come down from the attic.

It's the dead of night.

Kvorkian says it's Nayeri who wakes up Mary and points the gun at her head and zip ties her.

But again, according to Kvorkian, it's him who whispers in Mary's ear, don't worry, this is not about you.

And I remember telling her, this has nothing to do with you.

I'm sorry.

I felt felt horrible, to be honest with you.

I really have.

I'm not BS with you guys.

I felt horrible.

He felt badly.

He's about to feel a little bit worse when he hears Nayeri go into Michael's room, wake him up, and just start beating him senseless.

He alleges that it was Nayeri who then drags Michael down the stairs.

And then it takes a turn, right?

They're beating Michael.

He says he doesn't have the money.

And so Nayeri decides, well, they've got to get loaded into the van and driven driven out to the desert where he believes that Michael has stashed $1 million in cash.

We now know that not to be true.

We know that Michael never had that kind of cash on him or anywhere near him.

But that's where they're headed.

And the whole ride out there, they're in the back of the van, and Kvorkian says he's watching Nayeri beat and tase and torture Michael.

And finally, they get out to the desert, and Kvorkian's able to tell police that the story that Mary couldn't tell him.

You know, she had that blindfold on her face, and he describes sort of laying Michael out on the ground, and, you know, the torture is continuing, and the threats are continuing.

But Hussein goes and tells Kyle, you're going to cut his thing off.

He says,

tell me the exact word.

I think you told him, I'm going to cut, we're going to cut.

Since you didn't give us the money, we're going to cut your dick off, I think.

He told Kyle that.

I overheard him talking.

kyle's like

really

you know like it just came out i came out of the blue

so it seems that the part that makes this story so difficult to listen to and which has obviously completely changed the trajectory of michael's life to mutilate michael was just a spur-of-the-moment decision by nayeri um Handley seems shocked.

Kvorkian says he was shocked.

And so remember, Michael is mutilated, doused with with bleach, beaten, tased, burned, in agony.

They leave Mary and Michael in the desert.

It's now the morning of October 2nd.

And then the three guys, you know, they go to Subway.

They go get a sandwich.

Hussein and Kyle,

they left me in the van at a subway we ate kind of close to where the house was at and stuff.

It's also like sadistic sounding, Matt.

And it sounds like we keep talking about how Ryan Ryan Kvorkian has every reason to tell the cops, like, none of this was my idea.

This was all Jose Nairi.

But it sounds like cops basically agree with that, right?

That Nairi is really the one in charge here.

Yes, I think, Brad, that becomes even more clear after this proffer with Kevorkian.

And you can hear him.

I mean, he is very reluctant.

He didn't seem to be in that world at that time.

Sounds like he's having normal reactions to hearing, like, let's cut somebody's member off.

And like, that's like.

Right.

Normal reactions to having to bind a woman to hold an innocent person at gunpoint.

And at this point, towards the end of the interview, Kvorkian's actually expressing fear about his family.

Me worried about me.

I'm worried about him?

No, it's my family.

He knows where my family's at.

He knows what.

That's what I worry about.

You know, I'm just being honest with you guys.

This guy is very...

And you guys know that.

Dangerous dude.

Do not put anything above this guy.

Well, that's like the muscle of the operation is saying, like, I'm scared scared of this guy still.

Yeah.

Sounds like Kvorkian was cooperating, and that's why you have this proffer deal.

But I think it's totally fair to assume that anyone involved at any level in this heinous plot would be spending most of the rest of their life in prison just because it was that terrible.

Kvorkian got much less time than that, though.

Why?

I mean, I think he cooperated with police.

He also made a plea deal, right?

Those other two guys pleaded not guilty.

When you fight it and then you lose, typically the sentences are longer.

So he pleaded guilty to two counts of kidnapping, a count of burglary, a count of assault with a firearm.

And he was given what is still a pretty hefty sentence of 12 years and four months.

And of course, Nayeri and Handley are both serving life terms.

Matt, I'm curious just to hear your perspective, because at this point, you've followed this case for a decade.

So I guess, is it over?

Like, what comes next here?

But also, what are you taking with you?

You know, I think with most cases like this, Brad, it's never quite over.

So, you know, everybody kind of always thinks about what happens with Nayeri.

Is this guy going to get out?

And what he's doing right now is filing a petition for appeal based on a number of issues.

We're keeping an eye on it.

There hasn't been any results specifically, but obviously we will bring it to you as soon as we hear anything about that appeal.

But yeah, I mean, this is the kind of case that I think sits with people for a long time.

It's really interesting both to hear this new information you've been sharing with us and just to hear your reflections on this, Matt, as somebody who's been following this and who guided us through this entire series.

Really great reporting by you, really great work by everyone on the team.

And I'm sure you're already working on another case right now, so we'll let you get to it.

Thank you so much.

Thanks, Brad.

All right, and that will do it for us.

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