48 Hours

Untangling The Lies of Jodi Arias

April 30, 2025 50m Episode 841
Four-and-a-half years after Travis Alexander died, his ex-girlfriend, Jodi Arias, was found guilty of first-degree murder. Arias came up with different versions of what happened. At first, she told police she knew nothing of the killing, then blamed it on masked intruders. At trial, she admitted to killing Travis, but claimed it was self-defense. “48 Hours" Correspondent Maureen Maher reports. This classic "48 Hours" episode last aired on 5/17/2013. Watch all-new episodes of “48 Hours” on Saturdays, and stream on demand on Paramount+. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I know that I won't be the first person to be wrongly convicted and possibly wrongly sentenced for either life in prison or the death penalty. And personally, if I had my choice, I would take the death penalty because I don't want to spend the rest of my life in prison.
We introduced you to Jodi Arias back in 2009 when she sat down to be interviewed by 48 Hours shortly after being arrested and charged with the murder of her ex-boyfriend, Travis Alexander. Since then, she's become a national sensation, the focus of newspaper and magazine profiles, and the subject of 24-hour cable news coverage.
I met Jodi Arias at the Estrella Jail four and a half years ago, when she agreed to tell CBS News her story of how Travis Alexander had been murdered. An interview which, for the first time in the history of 48 Hours, was used as evidence in a death penalty trial.
Just give me the gist of what you are doing here in this place today. Today I am interviewing with you.
I've been charged with first-degree murder of my friend, Travis Alexander, and I'm just here to have a conversation with you about it. During this three-hour interview, Jody told us a tale of secret intimacy.
There was an attraction, and it found an outlet on occasion. That's a very creative way of saying it.
It found an outlet. The drama of masked intruders.
There were two individuals walking toward us and I just heard a loud bang and Travis was screaming. And ultimately a desperate escape.
He was holding the gun at my forehead. He pulled the trigger and nothing happened with the gun.
And so I just grabbed my purse and I ran down the stairs and out of there and I left him there. It was an incredible story.
So at that point I remember pulling over again at the Hoover Dam and I thought I'm going to call Travis. And I tried calling him and it just went to vo voicemail.
And I called him again, and I went to voicemail. As it turned out, that incredible story was an incredible lie.
Would you agree that you're the person who actually slit Mr. Alexander's throat from ear to ear? Yes.
Jody Arias killed Travis Alexander.

There is no question about it.

The million-dollar question is what would have forced her to do it.

At her trial, Jodi Arias told the world a new story.

It was Travis's continual abuse.

It had reached a point of no return.

I grabbed the gun. He was chasing me.

I turned around and I didn't even know that I shot him.

Weaving a tale of fear and abuse.

He called me a bitch and kicked me in the ribs.

Why didn't you call the police?

I would have never called the police on Travis.

I was loyal to him.

We go back to the beginning.

Returning to our first meetings with Jodiodi for insight into the mind of a killer. Is it at all possible, at all possible, that that day that you were together, you had a fight, you had an argument, and you just had enough? No, we didn't argue at all that day.
Something happened in her to trigger this tremendous amount of rage. Was he ever abusive to you in any way? He lost his temper a few times.
I never felt my life was in danger. Jody gave us secrets in those interviews.
She gave us an insight right into what she is thinking. He had a girlfriend who he was having a relationship with, but he was still having you on the side? Yeah.
Did you know that relationship was going on? No, I would have never allowed him and I to continue to behave the way we did, had I known. Like Casey Anthony and O.J.
Simpson before her, Jodi Arias captured the attention of the country. Arias pelted these lies.
He's on the Jodi Arias trial. Jodi Arias.
Jody Arias. Looking back at these interviews, it would appear that Jody thought she could fool everyone.
I don't believe that I'm going to be convicted. I don't think that I'm going to spend one day in prison.
State of Arizona versus Jody Ann Arias. But in the end, Jody Arias could not have been more wrong.
We the jury do find the defendant guilty. I know that people will look

at me and say, oh yeah, he really meant a lot to you, didn't he, by the way that you just left him

there. Not only that, they think that this is a fabrication and that I was the one that murdered him.

I'm Maureen Maher.

Tonight on 48 Hours, unraveling the lies of Jodi Arias. I have nothing but time on my hands to think.

And that's when I really began to try and remember and relive that day.

And then it just gets so horrible that I shut it out and I don't want to think about it. It all started in 2008.

When Travis Alexander was found dead in his bathroom,

the first question homicide investigator Esteban Flores had was who?

When did you first hear the name Jody Arias?

We heard that name from day one.

There were certain individuals who gave us that name and said,

you need to look into Jody Arias.

He has an ex-girlfriend that's been bothering him. And as you know, the ex-girlfriend's name, her name is Jody.
In the state of Arizona versus Jody and Arias, now four and a half years after Jody Arias was arrested and charged with first-degree murder, are we ready for the jury? The question that needed to be answered was why. Travis Victor Alexander, an individual that was one of the greatest blessings in her life.
Well, she knocked the blessings out of him by putting a bullet in his head. Prosecutor Juan Martinez wasted no time exposing the jury to the brutal reality of this homicide.

There was a hallway leading off to the bathroom where the shower stall was.

That was all covered in blood, and I noticed large amounts of blood pooling and smears.

When I first walked through this crime scene in 2008,

I was struck by the echoes of the extraordinary struggle that had taken place here.

And it was the evidence of that struggle collected at the scene that spoke volumes to the jury.

107 is what?

That's a photograph of the staining on the sink and some of the spatter inside of the sink running down.

That is red staining on the tile floor in the bathroom.

Red staining that was on the carpet in the master bedroom.

Latent print 169A was individualized as the left palm of Jodi Ann Arias. Is that the bullet? Yes, it is.
This is consistent with the .25 auto bullet. Did you have occasion to conduct a medical examination on the body of Travis Alexander? Yes.
One by one, Mesa County Medical examiner Kevin Horn listed each of Travis Alexander's devastating wounds. The most significant wounds are going to be the neck wound, the stab wound that penetrates the heart, and also the gunshot wound.
She really slaughtered him. This was overkill.
Criminal attorney Linda Kenny-Botten, who worked on the defense teams of Casey Anthony and Phil Spector, has seen more than her share of murders, but few like this. This showed that she was an incredibly angry young woman.
What piece of evidence sticks out the most in your mind? Well, the piece of evidence that to me is amazing is the slit neck wound. Why? Because

it was the coup de grace, in my opinion. It was the ultimate control over him.
He wasn't going to

say anything bad to her ever again. To me, that was just vicious.
Since her arrest in Wairica,

California in 2008, Jody has always insisted that she did not viciously murder Travis Alexander. But her details of how he died have changed repeatedly.
Ma'am, there's a number of stories that you gave in this particular case involving the killing. There was one that you gave to Detective Flores, right? Yes.
He was, like, on his knees like this, doing something like this or something like, I don't know. And I was like, are you okay? What's going on? What's going on? He's like, go get help.
Go get help. And I said, okay.
And I turned around. There were two people there.
One was a guy and one was a girl. But then you still gave another view of what happened to 48 Hours, right? I think I was inconsistent in my life, yes.
So let's take a look at what you may have said 48 Hours. In the 25 years that it's been on the air, this is the first time a 48-hour interview has been used as evidence in a death penalty trial.
I was hit on the back of the head. I don't think I was out very long.
But when I came to, Travis was on all fours on the tile, and he was, well, I say all fours, but one of his hands was actually holding his head. And that's another version of the events that occurred on June 4th of 2008, correct? Yes.
And they're not true? Neither of them. Well, it's all the same thing.
It's just different versions. I couldn't keep my life straight.
But Bodden says that her experience with other defendants suggests that the story Jody told 48 Hours may contain elements of the truth. Jodi gave us secrets in those interviews.
She gave us an insight right into what she is thinking. She was in the bathroom standing over Travis, and I charged her.
She talks about having a fight with the woman, and she describes the woman who attacked Travis as being, you know, about her height and Caucasian. Well, that's her.
I ran down that hall, and I pushed her as hard as I could, and she fell over him. She then talks about power later on in that interview, and she talks about having a gun.
They just kept arguing back and forth whether or not, you know, to kill me. And if somebody has a gun to your head, you have the ultimate power.

It's like everything just stops when you,

when someone else is sitting there with a gun pointed to your head deciding your fate.

So I think that a lot of what she was saying about what happened

was what happened with her and Travis the day he died.

Jody's various stories aside,

the prosecution says there are critical pieces of evidence that speak for themselves. These are accidental photographs.
These are photographs that the killer did not want taken. Jody, when she did the interview, she at one point said she likes to document everything.

I've always had my camera, always. So it goes everywhere I go.
So it's kind of amazing that she actually documented herself committing this murder. This individual's here.
You see her foot. You see Mr.
Alexander's head. You see his arm.
You see him bleeding profusely. After nine days and 20 witnesses, Martinez believed his case against Jodi Arias was ironclad.
The state may call its next witness. The state rests.
Now, despite all the lies and deceitful behavior that the court has heard... I couldn't hurt Travis.
He's done so much for me. The defense will have to convince the jury that on the day Travis died,

it was actually Jodi Arias who was the victim.

Travis flipped out and he stepped out of the shower

and he picked me up and he body slammed me again on the tile.

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It is the night of our... Even in jail awaiting trial, Jodi Arias had little trouble keeping herself in the spotlight and caught the attention of the media when she won a jailhouse Christmas singing competition.
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The defense calls Jody Arias. Sirius, please stand to be sworn.
And when the defense finally presented its case, Jody took the spotlight again, taking the stand to tell her unbelievable story

of self-defense.

Among those listening were Jody's mother,

her aunt,

and Travis's family.

Did you kill Travis Alexander on June 4, 2008?

Yes, I did.

Why?

The simple answer is that he attacked me, and I defended myself. The biggest hurdle is Jody herself.
According to trial lawyer Linda Kenny-Botten, putting a defendant like Jody Arias on the stand can be extremely problematic. Because then the case only becomes about the client and what she said, and that jury is always going to go back to what Jody said.
Ms. Arias, you are still under oath.
Do you understand? Yes. And what Jody had to say was shocking.
I'm taking pictures of him. We were trying out different poses.
And when I went to delete the photos, as I moved the camera, it slipped out of my hand.

So what happens after you drop the camera?

Travis flipped out and he stepped out of the shower and he lifted me up and he body slammed me again on the tile.

I remembered where he kept a gun, so I grabbed it. He was chasing me.
I turned around, and we were in the middle of the bathroom. I pointed it at him with both of my hands.
I thought that would stop him, but he just kept running. I didn't even think I was holding the trigger.
I just was pointing it at him. And I didn't even know that I shot him.

It just went off.

And after I broke away from him,

he said,

f***ing kill you, bitch.

Jody's memory of how Travis allegedly attacked her was striking.

And yet, she was at a loss for words

when asked to explain her actions.

Once you broke away from him,

Thank you. her was striking.
And yet, she was at a loss for words when asked to explain her actions.

Once you broke away from him, what do you remember?

Almost nothing. Do you remember stabbing Travis Alexander? I have no memory of stabbing him.
Do you remember dragging him across the floor?

No.

And I just remember screaming.

I don't remember anything after that.

But there are many people that never remember the actual events.

To help the jury understand why Jody had trouble remembering, the defense called Dr. Richard Samuels, a clinical psychologist who tested Jody for PTSD.
Her scores on the post-traumatic stress disorder scale confirmed the presence of PTSD, right? Yes. Samuels concluded that Jody suffered amnesia from the trauma of the attack.
And it's clear from the research that a large percentage of individuals who are in such settings do not remember or have cloudy and foggy memories of what has transpired. How many hours did you spend with her? Between 25 and 30 hours.
But the prosecution insisted that Samuel's diagnosis was flawed, because when he examined Jodi three years ago, she still maintained the intruder story. You confirmed the presence of PTSD, even though you just now told us that this is based on a lie.
Perhaps I should have re-administered that test. Altered mental states, which are of such magnitude that a person has little or no awareness of their behavior are very, very uncommon.
DR. Stuart Kleiman is a forensic psychiatrist and consultant for 48 hours.
So it's very reasonable to conclude this person acted out their rage and told lies about it afterwards. Jodi Arias claims she not only has no memory of stabbing Travis more than two dozen times and slitting his throat, but she also has no memory of altering the scene.
It wasn't until after driving hundreds of miles into the desert that her mental fog apparently lifted, and she suddenly realized she had done something horribly wrong.

Did you believe he was alive?

I didn't know, but I didn't think he was.

I was scared, and I couldn't imagine calling 911

and telling them what I had just done.

If someone after a crime engages in behavior

which suggests an effort to cover it up,

then that would not be consistent with amnesia.

If you didn't remember what had happened,

what's the need to cover up something?

You did grant interviews to people from 48 Hours, didn't you? Yes. There were two interviews, right? Yes.
Martina's hope that by exposing Jody as a liar, he would discredit her with the jury. And once again presented clips from Jody's 48 Hours interviews.
Travis's family deserves to know what happened. And because I may be the only person that will ever be able to say what happened that day, I wrote them a letter.
In that letter, you actually tell the family that the people that did it were this male and this female, right? Yes. So you lied to them, didn't you? Yes.
When you asked me if I was angry or outraged, I'm more angry and outraged that his life was taken and that he had so much potential. I know that I'm innocent, and even though this is a very serious thing to be charged with, there's no reason for me to be sad because I know that I'm not...
I'd never hurt Travis. I did see Travis the day that he passed away and a lot of things happened that day.
I almost lost my life as well. Nowhere in that recitation or in any of the interviews that you gave with 48 Hours did you ever indicate that you had memory loss, correct?

That's correct.

I have faith that in the end everything will be made known, everything will come out,

and in the meantime, smile, say cheese.

It takes a certain kind of person with great chutzpah to go on national television

and tell a big lie to the entire world.

Am I allowed to tell you what I'm trying to say?

And Jodi displayed that same tenacity during her 18 days on the witness stand. You say that you have memory problems, but it depends on the circumstance, right? That's right.
What factors influence your having a memory problem? Usually when men like you are screaming at me or grilling me or someone like Travis doing the same. Throughout the heated cross-examination, Martinez vigorously attacked Jody's story.
Ma'am, were you crying when you were shooting him? I don't remember. Were you crying when you were stabbing him? I don't remember.
How about when you cut his throat? Were you crying then? I don't know. But to save their client's life, the defense tried to destroy the only thing left of Travis Alexander, his reputation.
The instances of violence were becoming more frequent and more severe. Fear, love, sex, lies, and dirty little secrets will help you understand, I think, what happened in those three minutes.
Jody's life was in danger. She would either live or she would die.
For the entire time that Jodi Arias' fate hung in the balance in court, her defense was on a mission to save her life. Jodi had to make a choice.
By proving Travis left Jodi no choice but to defend herself. The million-dollar question is what would have forced her to do it.
Jodi's answer? An accusation of her own. It was Travis's continual abuse.
And on June 4th of 2008, it had reached a point of no return. Jodi now claimed there was a dark side to Travis and that she lied to cover up the truth about domestic abuse and their relationship.
Her fear and her panic about what had happened led her to tell different stories. He threatened to kill her, and given her experience with him, she had no reason to not believe him.
It was a challenging defense, one that in addition to her story of intruders, Jody may have been considering when she spoke with 48 Hours just after her arrest. Was he ever abusive to you in any way? He lost his temper a few times and it wasn't anything that really required me to, that I felt, I never felt my life was in danger.
I'll say that.

Did you show the physical signs of it?

Yes, but I was able to hide it pretty well, I think.

Arms?

Arms, legs, torso.

But Jody testified to several incidents of alleged abuse.

Antibody slammed me on the floor at the foot of his bed.

He called me a bitch and he kicked me in the ribs.

He went to kick me again and I put my hand out.

And it clipped my hand and hit my finger.

Defense attorney Kirk Nurmi even had Jody display her injuries to the jury.

Could you hold up your hand for us so we could see?

Why did you call the police?

I would have never called the police on Travis. There is no record of Jody reporting this abuse, and his friends, Chris and Skye Hughes, say that is not the Travis they knew.
We've never, ever seen any evidence of abuse. They couldn't find one human other than Jody, who we know is a liar.
They couldn't find one person that had a story of being abused by Travis. She's making it up as she's going along.
And they say Jody's most appalling lie came next. I walked in and Travis started grabbing at something on the bed.
It was a photograph. What was the photograph of? It was a picture of a little boy.

He was dressed in underwear.

He seemed very ashamed with himself.

She's saying this whole time she knew he was a pedophile.

They're just lies.

You saw him do that.

That's a lie, isn't it, ma'am?

I wish it was a lie.

Prosecutor Martinez wasn't buying it either. It is a hateful allegation with nothing to support it.
It's so easy for her to make these allegations. It's so easy for her to get on the witness stand, as you've seen, and lie.
And this is really the pinnacle. Trial attorney Linda Kenny-Bodden says if the defense

could not prove Jody's allegations, they would come back to haunt her. To say that she was

physically abused and she was fighting for her life that day and that's why she had to kill him,

that's just going to get the jury angry. And do you believe in your expert opinion that Jody was

a battered woman or is a battered woman? Yes, I do. To convince jurors that Jody was a battered woman, her attorney Jennifer Wilmot called domestic violence expert Alice LaViolette, who testified for several days.
How would you characterize their relationship with their relationship at this point in time, given your expertise in the area? I would call it a domestically abusive relationship. LaViolette testified that Jodi and Travis' relationship was abusive both verbally...
Does he call her names like Bitch? Yes. And calling her a whore? Yes.
And physically. He grabbed her by the shoulders, threw her to the ground, and then told her she wasn't leaving.
And when she hits the floor, she makes a sound, and he says, basically, don't act like that hurts, bitch. As a defense attorney, how would you use this relationship between the two of them? You can't go after a victim.
Going after a victim in a courtroom, you might as well just turn in your license, really. So you have to be able to be very soft with regard to Travis here.
Do you feel a need? The prosecutor was anything but soft during heated cross-examination. You actually are biased in favor of the defendant, aren't you? I don't believe I'm biased.
You're mischaracterizing what I do, Mr. Martinez.
One of the questions here is, why is it that you felt the need to coddle her? Mr. Martinez, are you angry at me? Ma'am, is that relevant to you? Is that important to you? Does that make any difference to your evaluation, whether or not the prosecutor's angry? Yes or no? If you were in my group, I would ask you to take a timeout, Mr.
Martinez. More layers of Arias' complicated psyche were peeled away when the state called its expert witness, Dr.
Janine DeMarte. This reporting of domestic violence has changed over time frequently.
My opinion is that there did not appear to be significant abuse. DeMarte also dismissed defense claims that Jodi suffered memory loss from post-traumatic stress.
She indicated to me that she had a very large gap in her memory. That's not how it typically presents with traumatic memories.
Instead, DeMarte testified that tests she administered suggest Jody may have a borderline personality disorder. You could see it in her journal entries that went from happy to sad very quickly.
There is some indication that she has some anger problems, that she had some strong feelings of anger internally. She couldn't let him go.
Even from Wairika, she couldn't let him go. The prosecutor said Jody's desire to be with Travis had no bounds, and she would stop at nothing to get what she wanted.
Her motivation for this was that she just wanted him. You don't think she could have just snapped? No, this was a buildup that led to her ultimately making a decision in a passionate way.
By continuing to have sex with Jody on and off for at least nine months after they broke up, Bodden says Travis may have unknowingly sent Jody mixed signals. He really didn't know and probably didn't care because when you're young and you're having sex the way Jody made it very easy for him, and he didn't realize that he had this rattlesnake by the neck.
Whatever he did fed into her craziness, fed into her insanity, fed into her desire that she wanted him and she wanted to control him and she wanted to have a life with him. It was the perfect storm that something had to happen.
She had a vision that they were going to get married. And from that point, she would not let that go and she would not let Travis go.
Jody could not deal with the rejection. Lots of people told Jody to move on, and she said, I can't.
He'd be the most amazing husband. I can't picture anyone else being the father of my children.
She was obsessed. Dr.
Stewart Kleinman says obsession can have dangerous consequences. If a person has an intense need for something and a clear, consistent boundary is put up by another individual, that will probably help both of those individuals.
And ultimately, if that need is never going to really be satisfied, create an intense level of rage. Was sex a tool for Jodi? Of course it was.
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For the families of Jodi Arias and Travis Alexander, enduring the trial was a trial in itself. What are we looking at here? That's a shower stall with the body crammed down on the bottom of it.
Oh, it's very, very hard. I mean, they're never going to get over this.
Trial attorney Linda Kenny-Botten knows the price both families paid. Just as much as Travis lost his life, there's going to be parts of that family that have died in the process.
It's just a horrible, horrible thing happened to the best person. It was an unthinkable crime, as Travis's siblings, Samantha and Steven, told us in 2008.
And you would never in a million years think that that would happen to Travis, because things like this don't happen to people like Travis. And you're the one that did this, right? Yes.
The family of Jodi Arias has had to endure their own torment. First, watching as she was cast as a cold-blooded killer.
And you would acknowledge that a lot of the stab wounds were to the back of the head and to the back of the torso, correct? Okay. I don't know how to count them.
I don't know. I'll just take your word for it.
And then hearing Jody tell the world that she has been abused her entire life. You told us that your dad hit you with the belt.
Yes. After age seven.
Yes. Did he leave welts? He didn't leave welts as often as my mom.
She also used a belt. My dad was very intimidating, so I don't think he needed to hit us quite as hard to get the point across.
My mom didn't carry that fear factor with her, so I think she used more force. She's lying.
She's making it all up. And she staged her defense by lies.
Do you think jurors are impacted by family who are in the courtroom, their reaction to, say, crime scene photos or even testimony by the defendant? I think they are, but then they do a very good job of compartmentalizing it. Jury expert Richard Gabriel, who has worked with the defense teams for Casey Anthony and O.J.
Simpson, says jurors are able to separate themselves from courtroom drama. Does it impact them when they hear sobs in the galley? Yes, they absolutely hear that, but they do a pretty good job of trying to divorce themselves from that.
The jury's not going to feel sorry for Jody. They can only feel sorry for her family and hope that the sorrow they feel for her family is more merciful than what she felt for Travis.
And during her 18 days on the stand, Baden says Jody thought she could win the mercy of the jury. Some defendants are manipulative, and they think, they think they can manipulate the police.
And they also then think they can manipulate the courtroom. And that's the problem.
You can't manipulate everybody. Her being on the stand for so long was just disgusting.
Travis's friends, Chris and Skye Hughes, believe Jody relished her months in the spotlight. She enjoyed it.
You know, she enjoyed every moment of it. She enjoyed the attention.
She enjoyed toying with people. She enjoyed, you know, looking over and making up these just disgusting stories for the jury.
Jodi may have felt there was no question she would be found innocent, but the jurors had some questions of their own, over 200 questions read by the judge. How could you kiss another man when you knew what you just did to Travis? Arizona is only one of three states that allows jurors to ask questions.
Why were you afraid of the consequences if you killed Travis in self-defense? You said that one of your worst fears was for everyone to find out what was going on in your relationship. So why did you talk to 48 Hours and other TV stations? I thought that the jurors in this case had better questions than the prosecutor of defense many times.
Bodden says those jury questions were telling. They really got to the heart of the matter.

After all the lies you have told, why should we believe you now?

The lies that I've told in this case can be tied directly back to either protecting Travis's reputation or my involvement in his death.

In the end, both sides agreed. It came down to one question.
Do you believe Jody Arias? She premeditated it. You now have a duty.
You are to reach a decision as to whether or not the defendant committed first-degree murder. So what I'm saying to you, ladies and gentlemen, is ultimately, if Ms.
Arias is guilty of any crime at all, it is the crime of manslaughter and nothing more. But for the family and friends of Travis Alexander, there was no debate, and there never had been.
There was only one verdict, one punishment appropriate for Jodyas. I want the maximum that the law will allow.
Ultimately, I really hope that she gets the death penalty. What's happening, y'all? It's Anthony Edwards.
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Justice

and what it would finally look like,

would depend on just which Jodi Arias

the jury in this tense Phoenix courtroom ultimately bought into.

She does seem to adapt, which is why I think she's like a praying mantis here,

is that she is a chameleon.

Jodi's a manipulator, and that's what she does.

Through 18 days of her testimony,

the world had witnessed the many faces of Jodi Arias.

She's always reading the environment, right?

Trying to determine how she's supposed to act. She's always trying to be something that she's not, right? When I see Jodi Arias, I just feel utter disgust.
Like, she's not human, you know? She doesn't feel like normal people feel. She's over here, so...
For Travis Alexander's loved ones, Jodi Arias is nothing but a fake. Don't be fooled by Jodi's sweet demeanor.
She's a liar and she's evil. And she deserves to be judged and convicted.
Who do you think killed him? I have no idea. The stories told by told by the 32 year old California waitress were consistent with just one thing a defendant who lied from the start my mom began to carry a wooden spoon in her purse to family were you at Travis's house to the police absolutely not and to 48 hours how do you feel about being accused of this crime? I know that I won't be held accountable for killing him because I had nothing to do with that.
I had everything to lose and nothing to gain if I were to kill Travis. It seems like a lifetime ago.
I didn't kill Travis.

But it was only four years.

If a conviction happens, I know that I won't be the first person to be wrongly convicted and possibly wrongly sentenced for either life in prison or the death penalty.

Then that story evaporated in the Arizona desert.

What was left was an admission.

And that's when you shot him in the face, right?

Thank you. The story evaporated in the Arizona desert.
What was left was an admission. And that's when you shot him in the face, right? Um, yeah, that's when the gun went off.
And an excuse. And he's just screaming angry.
He had already almost killed me. We are so very thankful for the opportunity to gather here as friends with Travis.
For those who loved him, the thought that Travis Alexander somehow had it coming to him was the final crime against a murdered man. She slaughtered him on June 4th and then she has slaughtered him every day for the last five years with the lies that she's told.
After three days of deliberations, there was a verdict. The State of Arizona versus Jodi Ann Arias, verdict count one.
We the jury duly impaneled and sworn in the above-entitled action upon our oaths do find the defendant as to count one first-degree murder guilty. Guilty of first-degree murder, the highest charge the jury had.
The death penalty was now on the table. Jodi Arias seemed shocked, holding back tears of sadness, while Travis's family could not hold back their tears of joy.
I'd rather have Travis Alexander back. I'd rather have my buddy back, but we can't have him back.
So I'm as happy as I can be, given the circumstances. A week after the verdict, the sentencing phase begins with the prosecutor trying to convince the jury Jodiarius deserves death.
The last thing that Mr. Alexander felt was this knife coming towards him.
The first decision comes quickly. The jury rules the murder was especially cruel, clearing the way for the penalty phase.
Is this your true verdict so say you want it all? Yes. The jury heard from those who love Travis Alexander, his brother Steven.
Why him? Unfortunately I won't ever get the answers to most of my questions. Questions like, how much did he suffer? His sister, Samantha.
Travis was not shy. He was full of life.
And the jury heard from the defense that Arias would testify one more time. And talk to you about how she viewed her life.
That should be next week when we may also find out whether Jodi Arias lives in this Arizona prison for a minimum of 25 years or dies here. Four years ago, she seemed to sense her fate.
If I had my choice, I would take the death penalty because I don't want to spend the rest of my life in prison. And after her guilty verdict,

Arias seemed almost wistful in talking to a local reporter. I believe death is the ultimate freedom, so I'd rather just have my freedom as soon as I can get it.
Freedom wasn't an option for Travis Alexander.