Fact Checking the Supreme Court

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The Orange County Courthouse in Santa Ana, California is a large granite and sandstone building from the early 20th century.

It has Romanesque arches out front.

Inside, there's a courtroom, some uninspiring conference rooms, and elaborate wrought iron staircases.

Last year, Jennifer Birch found herself underneath it all, standing in the courthouse basement.

It was like kind of a half basement.

They had little little windows.

It reminded me of a room that Indiana Jones might be in or something like it, you know?

Like it was very historical feeling and like, okay, let's not touch anything.

The Indiana Jones style room that Jennifer stepped into was the Orange County Historical Archives.

Jennifer was there doing research for a group called Moms Demand Action.

It's an organization that advocates for gun control and regulation.

Not all the members are actually moms.

Oh, no, not at all.

I work alongside men, students.

But the thing they all have in common is that they care about gun control, which is exactly why Jennifer was in the courthouse that day.

Moms Demand Action had dispatched volunteers like Jennifer to courthouse basements and local archives all over the country to dig up some of the oldest, most overlooked gun laws in the nation's history.

And their goal, ultimately, was to fact-check the highest court in in the nation.

Basically, Moms Demand Action thought the Supreme Court got it wrong.

That's reporter Gabrielle Burbay.

And not just in the content of the decision, the moms suspected that a key historical fact used to decide one of the biggest gun cases in American history was just straight up, factually inaccurate.

The case in question was a landmark case from 2021 called New York State Rifle and Pistol Association Incorporated versus Bruin.

If you're a legal nerd, you probably know this case because it is a big one.

The case dealt with some gun owners who had been denied permits to carry concealed firearms in New York State.

The question of the case was whether a gun owner needs special circumstances for self-protection, something like a restraining order, to carry a gun hidden on their person.

The court ended up siding with the gun owners, essentially saying that most people should be able to carry concealed firearms if that's what they want to do.

This was a huge decision.

It blew the top off-gun restrictions across the country.

But there was one thing in particular about the ruling that caught the attention of Moms Demand action.

They were fixated on how the court explained its decision.

In this case, the justices hinged their decision on one key historical fact.

Justice Clarence Thomas wrote the concurring opinion, and he said that by and large, there were no laws about who can carry a concealed weapon passed before the year 1900.

And because of that, concealed carry laws are not part of the, quote, history and tradition of the United States.

Mom's Demand Action looked at that fact and basically called bullsh ⁇ .

They believed that someone in the history of the United States must have tried to regulate concealed carry before 1900.

And they believed this could make a difference in future gun cases elsewhere in the country.

So they set about proving it.

So down in the the Santa Ana courthouse, Jennifer Birch started from the beginning.

Ordinances from the 1800s.

I opened the book and the pages were old.

The writing was very, it was difficult to read.

The cursive was real.

The archivist gave her some white gloves so she wouldn't smudge the paper.

And I'm turning these pages, which feel very brittle.

You know, the first couple, ordinance number one would be like, here's when we're going to meet as board of supervisors.

And then here's some things related to where you would put your horse and things like that.

So So I'm flipping through this going, I really don't know what I'm going to find.

This definitely sounds like the Wild West.

But when I first

saw the words concealed weapon in the ordinance, I thought,

this is what we're looking for.

My jaw, I'm sure, dropped, and I may have gasped.

What Jennifer found was a law passed in 1892 that said people in Santa Ana could not carry concealed weapons.

It was a law showing that, despite what Justice Thomas claimed, concealed carry bans were in fact part of the history and tradition of the United States.

And I felt like when I first saw that, not only did my heart rate go up a little bit, but it did feel not to be overly dramatic, but like I felt like I was hearing their voices, like their words coming at me from history, like,

This is remarkable.

They cared about it.

They cared about it a lot.

The court said that apart from a few outlying laws, the U.S.

did not stop people from carrying concealed weapons for the purpose of self-defense.

At least, not before 1900.

That was the big justification for the ruling.

And yet, here Jennifer was, holding one such law in her gloved hands.

And Jennifer and the other moms didn't just turn up one law.

We went to the next county over and kept going because I thought, there's so much that we could uncover.

I'm going to keep going until I feel like I've exhausted every city that was incorporated prior to 1900.

Across the country, they kept finding other laws.

We found it in every single place we looked.

Small cities, large cities.

What Moms Demand Action discovered is that one of the biggest gun cases in American history was decided based on the city.

on some questionable data.

But it turns out this problem is bigger than just that one case, and it's bigger than moms demand action.

The Supreme Court has a long relationship with bad facts.

In 2017, ProPublica analyzed recent Supreme Court cases for factual errors.

They found that in 2013, Justice Kennedy claimed that DNA analysis in criminal cases can ID suspects with perfect accuracy.

Not true.

They also found a case where Justice Alito said that 88% of all companies perform background checks.

But no one is even sure where that very specific number came from.

ProPublica's research even turned up an error in one of the most consequential voting rights cases of the 21st century.

In the landmark case, Shelby v.

Holder, Justice Roberts cited data about voter registration rates.

His numbers turned out to be straight up wrong, and those bad facts were then used to strip away voter protections.

In total, ProPublica found seven Supreme Court decisions just in recent years where the justices got their facts wrong.

Sometimes these mistakes didn't have much impact on the decision itself, but sometimes they do.

Sometimes justices hinge their decisions on these facts.

So how is it that the highest court in the nation can get their facts wrong, not once, but again and again and again?

And what even happens when you prove them wrong?

Well,

okay, let me see if I can break this down.

Pretend I'm like a high schooler.

This is Allison or Larson at William and Mary Law School.

And according to Allison, the way the Supreme Court makes its decisions has changed a lot over the years.

I'm really interested in the way that Supreme Court decisions are made, and I'm particularly interested in the process that they use to make them.

For a long time, the court operated under what was called legal formalism.

Legal formalism said that the job of any judge or justice was incredibly narrow.

It was basically to look at the question and the question of the case in front of them, check that question against any existing laws, and then make a decision.

That's it.

They were just mechanically interpreting it, like almost like a little law robot could do.

Unlike today, no one was going out of their way to hear what economists or sociologists or historians thought.

Judges were just sticking to the law books.

Those wouldn't have been part of the litigation in prior prior years, like before the turn of the century, before like 1900, because that's not what we thought the judges were doing.

So it wouldn't make sense to brief them on that.

The rationale for this way of judging was that if you always and only looked at clean, dry law, the decisions would be completely objective.

But not everyone was buying that.

Right about the turn of the century, there's a shift into more realistically

confronting the fact that judges are filling in gaps and sometimes making law.

Like their decisions can't be done by little robot judges.

In the late 19th and early 20th century, a movement rose up to challenge legal formalism.

They called themselves the legal realists.

The legal realists were a group of judges and legal scholars who were of the view that social and economic and political considerations were always part of judging, and that judges would just mask it or disguise it.

That's Fred Schauer, professor of law at the University of Virginia.

He says the realists felt that the justices weren't actually as objective as they said they were.

Supreme Court justices were often making decisions based on their own political views, their own economic views, and would

disguise it in the language of precedents or earlier decisions.

Basically, what the realists said is that judges and justices may be trying to act like robots, but they're humans with their own lived experiences and assumptions about the world.

And they brought those things into the courtroom whether they wanted to or not.

The realists said, let's just accept that reality and try to balance it out.

They wanted to arm the judges with more information so those judges could make more informed decisions.

Holmes, a precursor of the realists,

said, the life of the law has not been logic, it has been experience.

He was talking about what human beings know by being part of the world, including what judges know by being part of the world.

What motivated that movement?

Like, did something happen or what was driving that?

I mean, the conventional wisdom is that a big change was the so-called Brandeis brief.

For a long time, the debate between the realists and the formalists had been mostly theoretical.

That is, until the arrival of the Brandeis brief.

The Brandeis brief came during a pivotal court case in the early 20th century.

And the man at the center of that case was a legal realist and progressive reformer named Louis Brandeis.

He was a quite prominent practicing lawyer in private practice located in Boston.

If the name Brandeis University means anything to you, this is the guy it was named after.

He was very involved in a range of, let's call them, progressive policy issues.

A lot of cases involving labor law, a lot of cases involving other aspects of employment law.

As a young, zealous lawyer, Brandeis fought against the biggest railway monopoly to keep the Boston common as a space for the people.

He fought for better life insurance for all Americans, and he would take a lot of these cases pro bono.

Around Boston, he became known as the people's attorney.

And then in 1907, Brandeis set in motion a shift that would, for better and worse, change the inner workings of the highest court in the nation.

It all started when he agreed to argue a labor case in front of the Supreme Court.

A case called Mueller versus Oregon, in which Oregon had a bunch of laws designed to make workplace accommodations for women that was challenged by employers.

Brandeis was representing Oregon, which meant he was arguing on behalf of the women and against their employers.

Brandeis argued in a way that we would now think of as unfashionable, that

because of the economic and physical weakness of women,

it was necessary

to have laws protecting them against the exploitation of employers.

Here's Allison or Larson again.

You would be like, wow, that's all just sexist stereotyping

and not like hard science.

But it was, you know, it was 1908.

As part of arguing the case, lawyers on both sides submitted their briefs.

It's basically a write-up of their client's side of the story and any relevant laws.

No facts about the real world.

But rather than writing the typical brief, Brandeis went in a completely different direction.

Instead of just including the basic, dry legal precedent, he filled his brief with over 100 pages of facts that he thought should be present in the courtroom.

And in this case, it was called Mueller v.

Oregon.

Brandeis files a brief and it only has two pages of legal argument, and then it has 102 pages of factual claims of evidence about how women needed special protection from the hazards of long working hours.

In his brief, Brandeis included medical reports, statistics, psychology studies, all showing that long working hours affected the, quote, health, safety, morals, and general welfare of women.

What would have been considered at the time, not very much law and a great deal of sociological, economic, and related facts.

Many of those facts have actually been debunked.

But the sort of pioneering part of that brief was the boldness of adding facts to the record, of making claims that aren't legal arguments, but are claims about the state of the world.

And that's a definite change.

It was a change in terms of the emphasis on facts as opposed to law.

Brandeis was the first lawyer to go before the Supreme Court and say, hey, justices, you need to consider facts on the ground when you make decisions.

Don't just look at the law.

Basically, he was asking them to understand facts about how the world works to make better legal decisions.

Brandeis took a risk in submitting the brief, and it paid off.

The justices read the brief and all the information he had provided, and they ruled in the women's favor.

The fact that Brandeis won made it even more respectable to write a brief like this.

Fred is quick to say that the Brandeis brief didn't suddenly override an entire century of legal tradition, but it did crack the door open for these outside facts to enter the court.

This is all gradual.

The way in which the use of sources changes rarely is dramatic.

It's usually somebody does it, they get away with it, and then it becomes more respectable.

Before this point, even legal realists wouldn't have written briefs that the justices might just ignore.

But now, they basically had a stamp of approval.

That stamp only became more official when Louis Brandeis himself was appointed to the Supreme Court eight years later.

Over the next few decades, legal realism completely transformed the court's landscape.

Not only did it change the way lawyers worked, it changed the way judges worked too.

Judges and justices started taking it upon themselves to read books and articles related to the cases that they were in the process of deciding, which today seems obvious.

But this was all new territory.

They would rely on

published books of sociology and economics, occasionally published books of history.

And the justices like it.

Like they

are hungry hungry for this information.

From the beginning, Brandeis and the legal realists envisioned the Brandeis brief as a tool to let them push forward progressive causes.

And arguably, the biggest moment of triumph for that cause came with Brown versus Board of Education.

Nearly 50 years after the Brandeis brief, the issue of segregation reached the Supreme Court.

As part of the case, the justices set aside what they assumed about the world and read as much as they could about the psychological impact of segregation.

And now, thanks in part to that outside information, segregation is unconstitutional.

Or in Roe v.

Wade, where Justice Blackman holed himself up in the Mayo Clinic Library in Minnesota to read everything he could about the medical science of abortions.

None of that would have happened before Brandeis and the legal realists stepped in.

There's no arguing with the fact that the Brandeis brief changed the game.

It also did exactly what Brandeis hoped it would.

The brief let progressive lawyers pull a whole wealth of information into the courtroom so they could keep social reform moving forward.

Which seems like a good thing.

In a way, it does make sense to bring the justices down to earth from their high-minded, lofty legal theories.

The realists thought they'd created a world where judges would learn the real facts on the ground and make better legal decisions because of it.

But when the rubber hit the road, things went a lot differently than than they imagined.

And

you wonder, do we want the justices just burying their heads in the sand and not thinking about the context of their decisions, the decisions they make that are going to affect millions of people?

No, I don't think that's a better world at all.

But

there's other things to consider in terms of who is telling them what and for what purpose.

Here's the thing, though.

The Brandeis brief was, at its core, a tool.

The progressives weren't the only ones who could wield it.

While the reformers were out celebrating wins like Brown v.

Board and Roe v.

Wade, they had set in motion a change that would eventually derail some of their biggest wins.

And at the center of that change was a thing called an amicus curiae brief, or amicus brief for short.

It stands for friend of the court.

It's a Latin phrase.

You'll also hear these referred to as amicus briefs, which is also right.

These are briefs that are typically written by people or organizations who don't have any role to play in the case.

They're not lawyers for either side.

They just have an opinion about how the judges should rule and why.

So they write an amicus brief saying how they think the case should go.

Amicus briefs are pretty benign in theory.

The idea is that they give perspective, research, or context about an upcoming case.

Unlike regular briefs where the lawyers in the case write in, these these are written by people outside the case.

Anyone, any member of the public, any organization can submit these briefs.

All you need is a lawyer registered with the Supreme Court bar to help you file.

The ones I think that are the most influential on the court are briefs that add facts, expertise,

expertise that they might not get from the record below or from the party briefing.

In a way, amicus briefs are exactly what legal realists like Brandeis wanted.

They're a means of getting information from the real world into the courtroom.

Amicus briefs flowed into all the big cases of the 20th century.

Roe v.

Wade, Bush v.

Gore, and slowly, over the decades, they became a fixture of the courtroom.

Then, in 2003, came a case that pushed the amicus brief past its humble origins and into the spotlight.

The opinion of the court number 02241, Grutter against Bollinger, will be announced by Justice O'Connor.

The case was a challenge challenge to affirmative action at the University of Michigan.

And as part of the case, amicus briefs poured in from interested parties.

The justices heard the case, they read the briefs, and they made a ruling, in this case, upholding affirmative action.

But here's where the game starts to change.

When Justice O'Connor delivered her opinion in the case, explaining why the court cited the way it did, she mentioned one specific amicus brief that the court had received.

It was submitted by members of the military in support of affirmative action.

High-ranking retired officers and civilian military leaders assert that a highly qualified racially diverse officer corps, drawn in large part from college ROTC programs, is essential to our nation's security.

This was a big deal.

For the first time, justices were showing that not only do they read these briefs, amicus briefs actually play a big role in helping them make decisions.

So much so that they'll cite them in their opinion announcements.

At the time, this military brief actually helped save affirmative action.

When Justice O'Connor referenced specific amicus briefs in an official court decision, it sent a clear message.

If your side sends the right amicus brief, that could decide the case.

So it was in many ways like a debutante moment, a coming out party for the power of amicus briefs, I think, that led members of the bar to realize, you know what, we really, we really have a chance of influencing the court's decision here, and we need to think strategically about who we get to say what.

So, like, there's just a dramatic uptick, like a dramatic growth spurt of amicus briefs.

It became clear very quickly that amicus briefs were powerful.

But in the words of Spider-Man's late great uncle Ben, power is a hell of a drug.

If amicus briefs started out as tools for justices to help them understand facts about our world, they were now essentially weapons for both sides of a case.

And the fact that amicus briefs were now an integral part of the court highlighted one tiny little design flaw, namely that there is absolutely no mechanism in place for making sure that anything in those briefs is actually true.

The dirty secret here is that the Supreme Court doesn't have any fact-checking mechanism for amicus briefs.

None.

There's no fact-checking for anything that the judges read to decide their cases.

To be clear, there is a fact-checker for this podcast right now.

These words right here are being fact-checked.

Hey, Graham.

And yet, for the highest court in the land, the court making decisions that change the course of millions of lives, nothing.

With the information overload following the Brandeis brief, the cart got ahead of the horse in a big way.

But there is actually one thing standing between the Supreme Court justices and a fire hose of sophisticated misinformation, and that is a bunch of overworked 20-something law clerks.

Oh boy, I was young.

I think I was 27 years old.

Allison was a law clerk under Justice Souter a couple years after graduating law school.

And most clerks are around that age.

The wacky part about it is you end up with pretty green, pretty green young lawyers who are really

at the seat of power in the legal system.

So you have access to the very, very top, even though you are brand new.

As a clerk, Allison had a ton of tasks, like reading all the cases filed to the court, suggesting which ones the justices should take, helping the justices prepare for oral arguments, helping them write decisions.

And on top of all of that, she and her fellow clerks also had to read amicus briefs and any outside information the justices wanted to know about.

How did you know you weren't getting something wrong?

You didn't.

You can certainly do your own research for sure.

But remember that

there's limited hours in the day.

So you're working very hard and under the time pressure of litigation.

And there's only four law clerks for every chambers.

So if you're a law clerk and you have five amicus briefs coming in, you might be able to fact check those or at least think critically about who's writing them.

But in the biggest cases, the most high-profile ones, there are often hundreds of amicus briefs flowing in from all over the world.

You have hundreds of these briefs on the library cart and you're asking young lawyers, really,

to be able to identify the reliable ones from the unreliable ones.

Sometimes that's possible, but sometimes it's not.

So law clerks on a deadline are poring over amicus briefs.

They're reading whatever outside research their justices ask them to find, and their job doesn't even technically include fact-checking any of it.

And it's not that no one noticed this problem until it was too late, or that no one ever tried to solve it.

In the 1980s, one man did try and propose the court do something about its fact problem.

His name was Kenneth Culp Davis.

Kenneth Culp Davis was a very famous law professor who taught administrative law.

And Professor Davis' view was: we should have something sort of like the Congressional Research Service that helps the courts.

Basically, an entire research department to help the court parse through all of these outside facts coming in through briefs and just general research.

Kenneth went on speaking tours throughout the country, preaching the need for real change in how the court educates itself.

It came out of a recognition that judges were looking at outside facts all the time

and wanting to add some more

discipline to that.

What happened to Kenneth Culp Davis's proposal?

Nothing.

That is, why not?

Courts are

reluctant

to

sort of delegate their responsibilities to others.

Judges are comfortable with their own knowledge, maybe too comfortable.

Kenneth's proposal didn't get anywhere because the court thought that any fact-checker would be too political, that no one could be objective enough to sort through and fact-check all the information that comes into the court.

It's been about 50 years since the court rejected Kenneth's vision for reform, and the situation today is possibly even worse.

Because we're not just dealing with the issue of what is in the briefs.

We're also dealing with the problem of where those amicus briefs are coming from.

The amicus briefs of today are no longer the quaint little letters we saw showing up after the Brandeis era.

Now we have a certified amicus brief industrial complex.

Lawyers today don't just wait for experts supporting their views to weigh in.

They actively reach out to people or interest groups they want to write in, and they'll dictate what precisely they want those amicus briefs to say.

We call it amicus wrangler and amicus whisperer.

So you need somebody who like recruits, you know what, it'd be great if we had a historian to say this.

Oh, you know what?

We should get the military leaders to say that.

And then you sort of coordinate the messaging.

so that the Supreme Court receives the information that you want the Supreme Court to receive from the people that you want endorsing those views.

Those recruited amicus briefs might have good facts, they might not.

They could be written in good faith, but again, they might not.

Either way, hundreds of these amicus briefs flood into the hands of law clerks who have no capacity and no system for fact-checking, and that is the information that the Supreme Court uses to make its decisions.

And it's all a much more orchestrated dance than people otherwise believed.

It's like Brandeis and the legal realists opened up the faucet to facts, and now we're drowning in them.

The result of the amicus brief industrial complex is that in the worst case scenario, the side with more money can drum up more amicus briefs, and that gives them a huge advantage.

And even in the best case scenario, there's essentially an information deadlock.

The court has a ton of very convenient facts from both sides, and in the end, it's up to the justices and their chosen clerks to decide which facts to actually believe.

The idea behind the Brandeis brief was that if only the justices could have access to all the background information they needed, they could make a rational decision.

But more information doesn't necessarily solve the problem.

Because of this fire hose of information, there is always an amicus brief for the opinion that you already hold.

What ends up happening today is that a bunch of parties send in amicus briefs, some which inevitably contain errors, and the justices end up cherry-picking the facts that align with what those justices value most, which, in the case of our current court, is very clear.

They are by and large obsessed with one thing.

But then you look to history and tradition to.

You go right to history and tradition if we're looking at that history and tradition.

And the relevant history and tradition exhaustively surveyed by this court.

The current court has put a lot of emphasis on history and tradition.

And that means you have instructions from the Supreme Court to the lower courts, you know, go ahead and review all of the history of, for example, firearm regulations in this jurisdiction and come up with the history and tradition.

So is that quest a factual one or a legal one or a little bit of both?

I think that's a really important question.

I think we're just now beginning to wrestle with it.

This very specific, very consistent lens of history and tradition is what brings us back to the courthouse spacement, where volunteers like Moms Demand Action have been looking for concealed carry laws in archives across the nation.

Remember, the moms are trying to find evidence that the whole premise of the court's ruling in Bruin was just straight up factually wrong.

And the moms did find proof.

Justice Thomas said that before 1900, concealed carry laws were not part of our history and tradition.

And yet, Jennifer Birch and the Moms Demand Action volunteers found a ton of these laws in archives all across the country.

But here's the thing.

Here's the worst part.

This information was sent to the justices in Bruin.

Historians had written amicus briefs to the court already pointing out that concealed carry bans existed in the 1800s.

It's just that you also had historians arguing the exact opposite.

It's not clear what information was true or false in any of these briefs, or even which ones reached the justices.

What is clear is that out of all these briefs, the justices made a choice about which pieces of information they took as fact.

So you had historians on one side and historians on the other.

So you had some historians saying, actually, there's a long history and tradition of regulating the right to carry out in the open.

And then historians on the other side saying, nope, not at all.

The right to bear arms has included the right to open carry, and the New York law in question is an outlier.

So,

you know, it ultimately was up to five justices to decide which slate of historians they believed.

So, the amicus briefs kind of became a battleground of who gets to say what history is?

Yes.

So, let's say that the justices do their factual research, and then they get

something wrong.

They

cite a source that has incorrect information, but then that's in the final decision.

What happens when,

let's say, they do

okay.

The short answer is nothing.

But why?

Why nothing?

I think it was Justice Jackson of the Supreme Court who said, we are not final because we are infallible.

We are infallible because we are final.

Hmm.

Yeah, that's so hard for me to

like sit with.

Somebody's got to have the last say.

And very often, judges have the last say.

There are lots of things

in the law and lots of things in the Constitution that we might now think of as politically or morally or even empirically wrong, but it's there.

That's what makes it authoritative.

That's when parents, with some frequency, say to their recalcitrant children, because I said so.

Because I said so is a big part of the law.

In other words, there's nothing to say that the court needs to listen when faced with evidence that they got it wrong.

In fact, it is not their job to worry about that.

Their job is to make a decision.

and move on.

These old laws the moms are finding, they can only really be used in amicus briefs for the next gun case, whenever and whatever that is.

The moms can't overturn Bruin or even guarantee that next time, their information will rise above the hundreds of other briefs to actually make it to the justices.

And even if it does rise to the top, the justices can still choose to ignore it, which is precisely the problem.

I think in some of these cases, the honest truth is they know how they want to rule and they look to the history to buttress their view or,

you know, take down the other side.

I think that's the sad reality.

In a way, this is the court redeciding what our history is.

And even though it is admirable for Mom's Demand Action to be digging up these old laws, they're also playing by the rules of a fixed game.

A game where the court decides what history is.

So I asked Allison, what is the point?

Like, why even do what they're doing?

One effort might be to show

how

crazy it is to do it this way.

Like,

it's if you have a constitutional test that's steeped on history and tradition, and then you are the ultimate decision maker on what that history is.

Are we forever bound by your view about what history is?

Because that's like a tension that I'm not, I haven't, I've yet to figure out.

Even though it might be futile, and even though nothing might change, what the moms are doing is proving that the court may be final, but that doesn't mean it's factual.

And there is something to be said for setting the record straight.

After the break, I talk with Gabby about the women behind the man behind the Brandeis Brief.

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Hey, Gabby.

Hi.

So Louis Brandeis is this pivotal person in the story because he was the first person to really open up the court and the justices' minds to considering facts facts about the real world when he wrote his infamous Brandeis brief.

But you have some facts about those facts, right?

Right.

So, you know, we know from the story that Brandeis had this like mythical quality of being this person who changed everything about how the Supreme Court considered facts about the world when making decisions.

But while I was researching, I found out that Brandeis actually did not write this brief he is so famously known for.

At least not most of it.

Okay.

Okay.

So wait, so Louis Brandeis did not actually write the Brandeis brief.

Nope.

So here's what I found.

I'm going to set the scene.

The year is 1903.

Oregon State adopts a law that sets the maximum number of working hours for women who work in factories or in the laundry business at 10 hours a day.

And this is an effort that's championed by labor reformers.

And of course, it gets challenged by business owners and brought up to the Supreme Court.

So at that point, a prominent labor rights nonprofit led by this woman named Florence Kelly wants to make sure that Oregon has the best lawyer to represent its labor case.

And, you know, at this time, Brandeis is already known as the people's attorney.

Like, he is fighting the good fight for the labor movement.

And Florence Kelly, with the help of her chief assistant, recruits Brandeis to represent Oregon.

But Kelly already has an in with Brandeis, and that is because her chief assistant at this labor rights organization is none other than Louis Brandeis' sister-in-law, a woman named Josephine Goldmark.

So this is like a whole family of social reformers right here.

Yeah, they probably have like extremely passionate Thanksgiving gatherings at the Brandeis home.

Okay, so I assume Flores Kelly has Josephine reach out to Louis Brandeis.

He comes to represent Oregon.

And then Brandeis goes on to write this famous Brandeis brief.

Is that how that happens?

Yes.

Well, he did agree to represent Oregon, and he did want to present this groundbreaking brief, but he doesn't actually do that research for this groundbreaking brief himself.

He has his sister-in-law, Josephine Goldmark, the assistant who helped recruit him, do pretty much like all of the research for him.

Okay.

Okay.

That sounds familiar.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

So Josephine and her sister, along with some volunteers, scour libraries all over New York looking for facts about how dangerous excessive working hours are for women.

And they find all this data from factory reports, doctor reports, and all of this other information that is proving that long working hours are harmful to health.

And in the end, they end up gathering together the research that would fill 98 out of the 113 pages of the Brandeis brief.

So the irony is, like, so he's outsourcing 90% of the work of this case about how harmful excessive working hours are for women.

And he's doing that to the women in his life and taking all the credit for it.

It's pretty on the nose.

Okay, but piling on even more irony to the situation, this brief that you know, was known for busting the door open to facts entering the court was filled with a ton of facts that have since been debunked.

So for example, Brandeis quoted this medical report that said, women had more water in their blood and their muscles than men.

And I guess somehow that like contributes to weakness,

which is not true.

Yeah, I guess like I figured that one out.

In the story, we talk about this as this unfolding problem that you introduce briefs and then there's all these facts and then later on they need to be fact-checked.

But it turned out that the very first brief needed to be fact-checked.

Yeah, from the beginning, it's like this was already a flawed experiment.

It's not like it went off the rails later.

But, you know, okay, the bad facts of the Brandeis brief aside.

Josephine, his sister-in-law, she did go on to continue fighting for labor reforms for women throughout the 20th century.

She wrote a book called Fatigue and Efficiency, which argued that fatigue from overwork led to a decrease in efficiency.

She worked with the factory Investigating Committee of New York after the Triangle shirtwaist factory fire, and she became kind of like known in the labor rights movement for backing up her ideas and her arguments with rigorous factual research about labor laws.

So, my argument will be to put forth a motion to change the Brandeis brief to the Goldmark brief.

Okay.

Motion granted.

Thank you, Gabby.

Thank you.

99% Invisible was produced this week by Gabrielle Burbay, edited by Kelly Prime.

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Should I have a joke about despite she backing up her rigorous research about labor laws?

And I would say, like, despite the copious amounts of water in her bloodstream.

Despite her watery blood.

Extremely watery blood.

Yeah,

despite all that water.

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