Behind the Bastards Presents: Hood Politics with Prop

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Speaker 2 Malcolm Glaubel here.

Speaker 15 This season on Revisionist History, we're going back to the spring of 1988 to a town in northwest Alabama where a man committed a crime that would spiral out of control.

Speaker 2 And he said, I've been in prison 24, 25 years. That's probably not long enough.
But I didn't kill him.

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Speaker 23 Robert Evans here. It's the start of a new year.

Speaker 23 We are continuing, we may have a rerun going this week, but we've continued throughout the holiday season to keep a normal schedule of Behind the Bastards out.

Speaker 23 But we're also running compilation episodes, end of the year's start of this one, to kind of highlight other shows on our network.

Speaker 23 And right now, we've got a best of several episodes of Props' wonderful show Hood Politics Edited together so that you get a few less ads than normal.

Speaker 23 One is on how the DOJ curbed Google and the other is on the other Zionism. So check out Prop Show now.
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Speaker 3 A decade ago, I was on the trail of one of the country's most elusive serial killers. But it wasn't until 2023 when he was finally caught.

Speaker 5 The answers were there, hidden in plain sight. So why did it take so long to catch him?

Speaker 8 I'm Josh Zeman, and this is Monster, Hunting the Long Island Serial Killer.

Speaker 7 The investigation into the most notorious killer in New York, since the son of Sam, available now.

Speaker 9 Listen for free on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Speaker 12 In 1997, in Belgium, 37 female body parts placed in 15 trash bags were found at dump sites with evocative names like The Path of Worry, Dump Road, and Fear Creek.

Speaker 12 FBI, the murders have never been solved. Three decades later, we've unearthed new evidence and new suspects.

Speaker 2 We felt like we were in the presence of someone who was going to the grave with nightmarish secrets.

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Speaker 20 May 24th, 1990. A pipe bomb explodes in the front seat of environmental activist Judy Berry's car.

Speaker 1 I knew it was a bomb the second that it exploded. I felt it rip through me with just a force more powerful and terrible than anything that I could describe.

Speaker 20 In season two of Rip Current, we ask who tried to kill Judy Berry and why.

Speaker 25 She received death threats before the bombing.

Speaker 2 She received more threats after the bombing.

Speaker 26 The men and woman who were heard had planned to lead a summer of militant protest against logging practices in Northern California.

Speaker 27 They were climbing trees and they were sabotaging logging equipment in the woods.

Speaker 25 The timber industry, I mean, it was the number one industry in the area, but more than it was the culture, it was the way of life.

Speaker 1 I think that this is a deliberate attempt to sabotage our movement.

Speaker 20 Episodes of Rip Current Season 2 are available now. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your your podcasts.

Speaker 2 Malcolm Glaubau here.

Speaker 15 This season on Revisionist History, we're going back to the spring of 1988 to a town in northwest Alabama where a man committed a crime that would spiral out of control.

Speaker 2 35 years.

Speaker 28 That's how long Elizabeth Sennett's family waited for justice to occur.

Speaker 28 35 long

Speaker 2 years.

Speaker 16 I want to figure out why this case went on for as long as it did, why it took so many bizarre and unsettling turns along the way, and why, despite our best efforts to resolve suffering, we all too often make suffering worse.

Speaker 2 He would say to himself, turn to the right, to the victim's family, and apologize. Turn to the left, tell my family I love them.

Speaker 2 So he would have this little practice, to the right, I'm sorry, to the left, I love you.

Speaker 13 From Revisionist History, this is The Alabama Murders.

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Speaker 2 Hey there, I'm Kyle McLaughlin. You might know me as that guy from Twin Peaks, Sex in the City, or just the internet's dad.

Speaker 2 I have a new podcast called What Are We Even Doing?, where I embark on a noble quest to understand the brilliant chaos of youth culture. Daddy's looking good.

Speaker 2 Each week, I invite someone fascinating to join me. Actors, musicians, creatives, highly evolved digital life forms.
And we talk talk about what they love.

Speaker 2 Sometimes I'll drizzle a little honey in there too if I'm feeling sexy in the morning. What keeps them going? And you're maybe my biggest competition on social media.
Like when a kid says bra to me.

Speaker 2 And how they're navigating this high-speed roller coaster we call reality. In Australia, you're looking out for snakes, spiders, and boys.
Right. Hey, he's no training, too, but tell.

Speaker 2 This is like the comments section of my Instagram. Join me and my delightful guests every Thursday, and let's get weird together in a good way.

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Speaker 2 Hey, do y'all still say curved or curbed? Like if somebody curved you, I don't even know if it's, I don't even know if it's curved

Speaker 2 or curved, but essentially what we mean is, and maybe I'm an old head, what we mean is when you approach a young lady and she shuts you down, like, oh man, you got curved.

Speaker 2 You know, they just, I'm pretty sure it's curbed. probably like curb your enthusiasm.
It's probably it.

Speaker 2 I don't know if there's anything more painful because most of the time for you to get curbed, it's usually because you are enthusiastic.

Speaker 2 A lot of times is when you're super confident in the move you're going to make. Now, I can't speak for every

Speaker 2 young man who finally hits his awakening of the sex that he's attracted to.

Speaker 2 And I know mine when I was like, wait a minute, I like girls. When you have to start building up the bravery to actually admit it or maybe ask this girl to dance or sit by her or maybe even possibly

Speaker 2 get a little kiss on the cheek, you know, just, you know, we was little boys. You're not really ready for like full intercourse because we're still children.
I remember.

Speaker 2 like rehearsing and I have a sister that's six years older than me. So I could ask her like, how do I say this? What, you know, what outfit should I wear?

Speaker 2 Like, you know, and she was like down to make her little brother like, you know, she want her little brother to be fly. So I could ask her and come up with lines and like,

Speaker 2 how, how do I approach? What do I say? Where do I stand? Like, how do I, I'm nervous. I'm scared all for her to, all for this little girl to giggle and run to her friends and go, uh,

Speaker 2 uh, he not even fine. Just destroy.
It took me three weeks to to get the courage to say something to her just for this girl to be like uh

Speaker 2 like that's the child

Speaker 2 which i don't know if it's everybody's story but you have to understand like me who i went to schools in neighborhoods that were so diverse

Speaker 2 where

Speaker 2 there was just as many filipino and latino and you know, Chinese, there was such as there was so many other communities that were at the spaces i was in like again i read the demographics most of y'all are from cali that listen to this i'm from the san gabriel valley well i was born in south central like i say it all the time but i grew up in the san gabriel valley and then i went to high school in the inland empire and like so i you experience so many cultures you're exposed to so many types of girls where Black dude is just not they type.

Speaker 2 This is way too long of an intro. Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is it really hurts to get curved, especially when you're really confident.
And guess what? Google got curved.

Speaker 2 Hood politics, y'all.

Speaker 29 All right, before I go into it, but look at like ders.

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Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 29 Well,

Speaker 29 the darkest of holidays has hit. It is the one-year anniversary

Speaker 29 of

Speaker 29 the

Speaker 29 attack from Hamas on Israel,

Speaker 29 which

Speaker 29 in retaliation to such attack unleashed the kraken towards

Speaker 29 all of Gaza and extending Palestinian areas.

Speaker 29 Way too many people died.

Speaker 29 There was a memorial

Speaker 29 held in Israel where they played that last song before at that, you know, because the attack happened, like one of the parts happened during a music festival.

Speaker 29 and the last song that was being played before the attack happened and hostages were taken and people were killed they played that song to mark

Speaker 29 you know the one-year anniversary of a of a horrible horrible situation and from the israeli perspective

Speaker 29 the city is torn because you can't argue that that wasn't you know one of the or maybe if not the greatest terrorist attack that they've experienced.

Speaker 29 And I think, like, I'm not adding snark to this because it's like, I mean, like, I'm just trying to be real about it.

Speaker 29 I think, how do I say this?

Speaker 29 Since they've been in their mind, the little engine that could the whole time, and everybody was against them, they felt like their only way to be safe is to be the aggressor.

Speaker 29 And they've continued to be the aggressor because they feel like everybody's being aggressive to them. So

Speaker 29 there's a kinship to the

Speaker 29 idea that America has of itself, too. You know, where we say if you're going to war, you're going overseas.
Like the attack is over there.

Speaker 29 Everybody's trying to come to get us, but don't nobody want to mess with us because they know won't play around.

Speaker 29 It only happened once, and that was at Pearl Harbor, and we blew up whole islands after that. So

Speaker 29 they carry

Speaker 29 in their psyche that type of sort of same vibe, but that is not to diminish

Speaker 29 the

Speaker 29 atrocities that they feel in their heart and the things that had happened.

Speaker 29 So, you mark it, right?

Speaker 29 On the other hand,

Speaker 29 it also marks the beginning of the absolute decimation of Gaza with

Speaker 29 11,000

Speaker 29 people dead

Speaker 29 and

Speaker 2 just a completely intenable living situation that has now spread, everybody's fear has spread to

Speaker 2 Lebanon and Yemen. So, and now big dog Iran has jumped in.

Speaker 2 It was what everybody that works in peacemaking was hoping wouldn't happen, that like we would get to a ceasefire, a two-state solution, which clearly is the only option.

Speaker 2 Like, I just don't understand how anybody could think any other way that, like,

Speaker 2 this is really the only option. But

Speaker 2 with that being said, all the blood, all the carnage, all the like, let's make this happen. Gaza could not have a sort of

Speaker 2 moment to even breathe to mark the anniversary of this because it's leveled.

Speaker 29 I mean, there's like, where, you know,

Speaker 2 they still running for cover. They and Israel not even letting, they barely letting aid in.

Speaker 2 Like, we got to fight to let aid in.

Speaker 2 And then, with all the carnage and it becoming into

Speaker 2 a regional war,

Speaker 2 there's a ceasefire deal on the table, and Netanyahu won't accept it. And you still ain't got the hostages.
All that blood.

Speaker 2 And you still ain't got the hostages. So Israel as a nation is torn because they're like, fam.

Speaker 2 Can we keep our eyes on the prize here?

Speaker 2 I just, we just want our loved ones back. What is you?

Speaker 2 I ain't asked you to blow the whole

Speaker 2 like

Speaker 2 I ask you to blow the whole city up. We just want our hostages, but what is you?

Speaker 2 And then there's the other half that's like, no, we can't let them people live.

Speaker 2 And then there's the really, really small deck sect of hyper-conservative religious folk within the

Speaker 2 Israeli world that are like, well, this is how we bring the Messiah.

Speaker 2 We got to control this region or the Messiah ain't coming.

Speaker 2 So like, no, they got to go.

Speaker 2 So it's all that going on all in one place.

Speaker 2 The JV team had their debate.

Speaker 2 Switching gears here.

Speaker 2 The my dad can beat up your dad debate. Because who really cared what the vice president think? Because the vice president won't really do do nothing.
Now, that being said,

Speaker 2 it was more substantive than any of us would have thought. And it's one of those things where it's like, be careful what you ask for.
Y'all asked for civility and substance. What you didn't ask for

Speaker 2 was truth, my nigga.

Speaker 2 The Trump ticket is getting its money's worth. He is,

Speaker 29 JD Vance understood the assignment.

Speaker 2 The assignment was to sanitize

Speaker 29 everything that Trump stands for. And even to the point of like,

Speaker 2 almost like the opposite, where it's like,

Speaker 2 no, we ain't say that. And then when the mic slipped up and said, well, you weren't supposed to lie, fact check this.

Speaker 2 You revealed your cards, big dog. But

Speaker 2 JD Vance. absolutely 100%

Speaker 2 understood the assignment. And you cannot take that from him.
He was slick. he was likable,

Speaker 2 and he didn't go on the full attack. They did the whole, I agree with what we're supposed to be doing.
And he took all the schmarm. Now, don't get me wrong.
I personally like

Speaker 2 dudes like that repulse me that are too polished. And every like that,

Speaker 2 I'm like,

Speaker 2 you're clearly hiding something.

Speaker 2 Anyway,

Speaker 2 everything was going great

Speaker 2 until this man could not answer the January 6th question. Now,

Speaker 2 did Trump lose the election question? Now, the thing is, that's, in some senses, it's a gotcha question because we all know that man can't answer that question.

Speaker 2 Like, what y'all expect this man to say? Yeah, no, Trump tripping on that one, but we're going to win this one, though. He can't say,

Speaker 2 oh, Lord.

Speaker 29 He can't do that. Y'all know he can't do that.

Speaker 29 That man can't get up there and tell the truth.

Speaker 29 Like on boondocks, you better learn how to lie like me.

Speaker 29 You can't be telling the truth to these people. You got to lie.
That'd be the end of his job.

Speaker 29 Did Trump lose the 2020 election? Like, nigga, duh. Like, he can't say that.
He got to be like, look, dude, we're looking forward.

Speaker 29 But didn't y'all? And then proceeded to talk backwards. Boy, I tell you, man, I love it here.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 2 Let's get back to it.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 29 So last year, we did an episode that was called Get Your Weight Up. And I taught y'all about antitrust and monopolies and the situation Google was facing.
And it was over search engines and ads.

Speaker 2 Showing how this is just a brand new world where

Speaker 2 what Google is facing, especially when it comes to like search engines, you had suit being brought to them by like, you know, Bing and like ass Jeeves that was like, you're creating a monopoly.

Speaker 2 I can even giggle with the idea of like Bing because it's like, bro, no one uses Bing. Google's a verb.
Like it's a company, but it's also a verb.

Speaker 2 You Google something, they're like, you're a monopoly. They're like, listen, I'm not.
I like Bing is not my competition. Microsoft ain't my competition.
Full chat, GBT is. TikTok, Amazon.

Speaker 2 I am not competing with you other browsers and search engines. Y'all lame.
Y'all need to get y'all weight up.

Speaker 2 And the argument was in this antitrust case, which I will back up and explain the term monopoly and antitrust and then give you a context. So their argument was, you say we're cornering the market.

Speaker 2 We're making it impossible. But y'all could just get y'all weight up.
I don't know why you mad at us for making a superior product.

Speaker 2 Now, the last time you you Googled something, I'm pretty sure you got frustrated because Google's trying to do the AI thing to, again, to keep up with ChatGPT. And so the searches have been very,

Speaker 2 I've had to like retype in what I'm looking for multiple times because I'm like, this used to be super easy. So in my anecdotal opinion, it's gotten worse as they've tried to bring in AI.

Speaker 2 But the point is, the case was,

Speaker 2 do you have a monopoly on search and ads? And when we talked about it at first, it was being brought to the Department of Justice. Well, they have decided, yes, you have a monopoly.

Speaker 2 It's not fair, and you need to break it up, break it up, break it up, break it up, break it up, break it up, break it up, break it up. Yeah, y'all ratchet.
Y'all know that's all.

Speaker 2 Y'all got to break up your company. Now, the reason why this was so big, obviously, because Google's big, but it's because it harkens back to one that happened in 1998, Microsoft.

Speaker 2 So here's what we're gonna do i'm gonna explain to you what a monopoly is and if you've ever sold drugs you already know which means that we have to talk about capitalism and

Speaker 2 the version of capitalism that america says they

Speaker 2 love

Speaker 2 and believe in how you protect that imaginary version of capitalism why an antitrust is what it is and why the government steps in, what happened with Microsoft and how that informed this Google decision, and then what Google is going to have to do.

Speaker 2 All right. But I swear to you, just like the very foundational truth, the axiom of truth that this show is, you already know this stuff.
All right. Next.

Speaker 2 Okay, so capitalism. Oftentimes, we have, because we live in the world we live in, we have conflated the idea of capitalism with just

Speaker 2 economics. That if you sell something,

Speaker 2 it's capitalism. You have to remember capitalism as a concept was invented.

Speaker 2 Now, the idea of trading some sort of commerce for goods and services is as old as puka shells, is as old as when we moved from just bartering to, yeah, there is currency and the currency, and I'm giving you this currency, and you're going to return back to me a good and service.

Speaker 2 The institution that we talk about that includes a supply chain where the product is being created in multiple different factories that's being cobbled together into one piece.

Speaker 2 The system that says each of these people that work in these factories is industrial revolution type situation that puts like if you're going to take a pencil, the eraser tip is made somewhere else, but that place is really only getting raw materials from another place.

Speaker 2 And those raw materials are being sent there.

Speaker 2 And then the people carrying that stuff in the trans people that transfer it in the truck is a whole other company who brings this raw materials to this place.

Speaker 2 And then that place has to buy the equipment from a whole other company to makes the equipment for you to process this thing to make the eraser tip.

Speaker 2 But still, if you're the pencil company, you have a contract with them, with a wood company, who's got a contract with a...

Speaker 29 timber company who's got a contract with a lead company or a graphite company you just the people that put it all together.

Speaker 29 And then it's a whole other marketing team that just was hired by the brand name of the pencil to put it all in one place. And then you got to hire a

Speaker 29 Shopify, right? A 3PL. And all of these people have employees.

Speaker 29 And the price of that pencil is cobbled together in the way that makes sure, or supposed to make sure, that everybody, every company that was involved in this all got to pay their employees.

Speaker 29 Bring that all together, get it on the shelf, and then they charge you $1.99 per pencil. Now, if you're making 1 million pencils, it may not have cost you, the company, they selling it for $1.99.

Speaker 29 It cost the company, I don't know, hopefully, if they're doing it right, two cents. So the cost of the pencil, you hear all them companies all had to make their money.

Speaker 29 But if you make enough of them, you can lower the cost that it takes to make the pencil so that when it gets to the consumer, you only paying $2.

Speaker 2 And that $2,

Speaker 2 you know, multiplied by 100,000 consumers is supposed to be able to make sure that everybody's happy and everybody wins.

Speaker 2 Now, the capitalism that we exist in is to say, okay, best product at the best price wins.

Speaker 2 So if somebody got a better pencil and they only charging $1.50, The idea is, damn, you made it cheaper and better. So everybody's going to buy that.
So then, what do you do?

Speaker 2 You have to figure out how to make your pencil better and cheaper. Hopefully you can charge $1.25, right?

Speaker 2 All the way down to where, get this, the term, elasticity, to where the product is cheap enough to make to where everybody makes money.

Speaker 2 There's a number. Now you have to enter the concept of branding, okay? I work, I'm a brand ambassador for a company called Mir, right?

Speaker 29 Y'all know the people that make my mugs and the poor games, games, all the coffee stuff is this company called Mir. Now, Mir got a lot of clients too.

Speaker 29 And Mir was telling us, telling me about one of their clients, for which I will not name names. And because I ain't trying to worry, I ain't trying to mess up my money.

Speaker 29 This company is able to sell things at an absurd price point. But we looking at it, but my man Amir was looking at it and was like, okay, you're sourcing.

Speaker 29 There's no way in the world you're sourcing at a different place than everybody else's or you're sourcing at the same place.

Speaker 29 And he was like, and the owner or the buyer was like, yeah, yeah, source at the same place as as our competition they charge 399 we charge 8.99 it's called branding so just the power of the branding the fact that your name is on it let me give y'all a little game about kirkland

Speaker 29 and costco brand now costco ain't paying me for this but i wish they was the kirkland brand liquor the tequila the whiskey all that that they got in there it's They bought a recipe from, I believe it's Eagle Rare, like Makersmart.

Speaker 29 I believe their whiskey is Makersmart. They just bought a recipe from them and just white labeled it.
It's actually very, it's very good whiskey. It's just named Kirkland.
Brilliant.

Speaker 29 So if you smart, rather than buying the label name, you getting the same product. It's just cheaper.

Speaker 29 So now you take, when you talk about a national economy, you take all the pieces that we're talking about. If we're talking about, again, capitalism, you take every person.

Speaker 2 that is on all them jobs, how much money they make, how much money is coming into the company, how much money that company is spending, how much money the people that work at that company are spending, right?

Speaker 2 The products for which they buy, how much them products cost to make, and how much profit those products produce, how much of that money is going out to other countries, how much of that money is coming back into the consumer's pockets because once the company makes money, the people that work at that company all get paid and then they buy other products, which brings the money back.

Speaker 2 So you take the totality of all that, the combination of all those factors, all trying to get you to spend your dollar with them.

Speaker 29 Them competing with each other is called free market capitalism.

Speaker 2 All of that is capitalism. And what's capitalism's goal is, if you haven't figured this out yet, the greatest amount of profit for the least amount of cost.

Speaker 2 Now, how do you pull that off if that is the goal of capitalism? Well, you cut costs. Where do you cut costs? Most of the time, your highest cost is your employees.
It's payroll.

Speaker 2 That's your highest cost. So

Speaker 2 you pay your workers at least as possible. Why did America become super superstar, super superpower so early? Well, they didn't pay their workers at all.
It was called slavery.

Speaker 2 You was only paying for the raw materials. You only had to pay for the land.
You had to pay for the workers. Of course, you're going to get rich.

Speaker 2 By no stretch of the imagination, it is the goal of capitalism itself, human flourishing. No, that might be the person that functions within the system.

Speaker 2 You might want to approach this in a way that centers humanity to in the sense that like you're paying your workers well, you're ethically sourcing.

Speaker 2 So that means you're setting a price point that allows for you to pay workers well, to treat the environment well. You have things like certified B Corps.

Speaker 2 At some point, I'll bring my homie Brian on here to talk about what it means to be an ethical capitalistic company, which some would argue is impossible.

Speaker 2 I might agree with you, but again, like I say all the time, you know, she might as well swim, be as truthful as possible. Like I said, we're all on a big corporation.
This is iHeart media.

Speaker 2 Like, let's not be delusional. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 Corporation, guys. So we're not delusional, but.
There's a way to be as ethical as you possibly can. But that's not the goal of capitalism.
That might be the goal of the person.

Speaker 2 There might be a advancement of a society to where,

Speaker 2 yeah, well, multiple people now have jobs now, which means like the way of life is just better across the board for everybody because now everybody's employed.

Speaker 2 But one would argue that like we weren't starving before we had jobs. Like

Speaker 29 before there was a factory.

Speaker 29 Before you bought your food at a grocery store, you just grew your own.

Speaker 29 For most of human history, people just had like small gardens, like where you just, and you just traded back and forth to where it's like, okay, we grow squash well.

Speaker 29 I'm gonna walk across the street, go visit another family over there in that other village. I know they grow spinach well, you know what I'm saying? I'm gonna bring them some squash.

Speaker 29 They bring me some spinach. It's fine.

Speaker 29 Like we all, we, we were all right before we had to like work for like cotton pieces of dead men to turn in for our waters to work in our houses because somebody bought the lake and owns the clouds.

Speaker 29 I don't know if you noticed. You can own the clouds.
You can own the land rights and all of the sky and atmosphere above it because capitalism is crazy right now.

Speaker 29 Anyway, I haven't even talked about antitrust yet. This is absurd.

Speaker 2 So, all that to say, in our system,

Speaker 2 at least in America, we tried to set up this situation to say that if we keep this institution pure enough, it will police itself.

Speaker 2 and how you do that because people really make their decisions by their purchases people buy what they want and if you charge too much but your brand is trash and we don't believe you people won't stop buying it that's a price elasticity what's the highest you could charge before people gonna be like all right you done lost your mind this brand ain't worth it which is how you gain the system you know i'm saying it's like you make your brand worth it but you you charge as high as you can not as cheap as you can you take somebody like arizona ic they charge as little as they can.

Speaker 2 That's their brand, though. For them, it worked.
But anyway, we,

Speaker 2 we is in the royal we, not me. But the concept is you need to have competition in the market.

Speaker 29 You can't just be the only person selling a thing. You can't, you can defeat your competitors by having a better product at a better price point.

Speaker 2 But you can't just box them out because when you box them out, when you're the only option, there is no reason for you to not price gouge and the quality of your product doesn't have to be great because you the only people that's what i mean by drug dealing you trying to be the only connect if you the only connect you charging people whatever you want they hooked on the product you can step on your product if you want to because what they gonna do where you gonna go i'm your only option i used to feel like that with gas prices because i'm like what am i gonna do there's no difference to me between mobile and Arco.

Speaker 2 I still have to go to the thing or I don't go anywhere. Like, I, I,

Speaker 2 now, as a side note, I went to Rhyme Fest this past weekend at the Coliseum and I took the train and I was like, no native, nobody I know takes trains because they just don't go enough places.

Speaker 2 But this time,

Speaker 2 it was like, I didn't have to switch once. And I was like, bro, why don't every time I take the train, every time I take the metro here in LA, I'd be like, why don't I do this?

Speaker 2 So,

Speaker 2 yeah, maybe there is an alternative. Anyway, so being mad over gas prices, I'm like, what you going, not going to fill up your tank? What you going to, you going to not go to work?

Speaker 2 Like, I felt so hopeless. I was like, this is a monopoly.
You monopolize.

Speaker 2 So the idea was in the antitrust law. I don't know why they call it that.
They just do. Antitrust law is saying we do not believe in the American economic system that it is legal or even in the spirit

Speaker 2 who we are as a nation, that any one company should

Speaker 2 have a monopoly over a business.

Speaker 2 There needs to be competition, meaning there needs to be other companies that are pushing you because what that does for the consumer is it means we're getting the best products because y'all are fighting against each other for our dollars.

Speaker 2 They're not concerned with just one company's success.

Speaker 2 We're talking overall success of the entire country because they're looking at it again as the economy, as capitalism, capital C, not just are you doing all right? We mean the whole country.

Speaker 2 So the whole country got to win, which means that I don't really care if your one, your one company is doing all right. We need the whole thing to work in theory because

Speaker 2 you could go get the off-brand stuff. You grew up like us.
Oh man, there was Cheerios and then there was Malto meal. There was Tastios.
You feel me? I was like, them is nasty.

Speaker 2 I used to get so mad when my mom brought that off-brand cereal. I wanted the name-brand cereal.
It was cheaper,

Speaker 2 but that ain't like, that ain't work. Now, what that meant was that made Cheerios,

Speaker 2 because my mom sometimes was like, I ain't buying the Cheerios. It costs too much.

Speaker 2 So that means the Cheerios, because there's such thing as malto-meal and tastios, fruit rings, not fruit loops, because those things existed.

Speaker 2 That meant that like, yo, Cheerios got to work harder to make sure that they products stay bomb. And that the price point is something that we willing to pay.

Speaker 2 That's why there's a hundred different car companies. Why they fighting for our attention.
Why everybody racing to get an electric car? Like, the thing with Tesla is they was just there first.

Speaker 2 Well, actually, Saturn was there first. You should see a documentary called Who Killed the Electric Car.
Anyway, but they're not the only ones.

Speaker 2 They couldn't get to electric car and shut the door. There's companies like Rivian who

Speaker 2 they trucks are amazing, you know, but there's there's other companies, there are other people making electric cars, and so it's like, yo, get your weight up, like do something great.

Speaker 2 Now, it could become a monopoly if they do this, they take all the road mapping that they've done with a self-driving, get it perfect, and then make sure every new electric car has to buy their software for the road mapping of self-driving.

Speaker 2 Like if every new electric car had Tesla's software in there from

Speaker 2 for their like self-driving cars, which right now would be a disaster.

Speaker 2 But if they continue to develop what they got and then they box out everybody else, it wouldn't matter if it's a disaster or not because every car comes equipped with their software.

Speaker 2 That would be a monopoly. To which they could argue, I mean, you're welcome to uninstall it and put your own one in there.

Speaker 2 You go, do you know how to uninstall software on your car?

Speaker 2 Are you going to Google it?

Speaker 2 Think about the dial-up modem sounds, your aim

Speaker 2 username. We all got sidekicks.
No, I don't even know if we got sidekicks. It was in Pagers there.
You know what I'm saying? You're about to have a sidekick.

Speaker 2 Boy, the early internet feels like caveman energy. So, Microsoft, led by Bill Gates, was

Speaker 2 young,

Speaker 2 scrappy, startup. You know, you gotta remember, like at this point, Macintosh, those were just the computers in the school lab.

Speaker 2 Like when you went to the computer lab at school, there was these funny looking things that we just had to learn when we did our typing classes. You know, you just did it on that.

Speaker 2 So Microsoft at the time was developing Windows, right? So Windows 9, you know, Windows 95, and that's that, which was the operating system, which you guys know already. And then Microsoft Office.

Speaker 2 So spreadsheet, you know, PowerPoint, Microsoft Word, and everything that comes, just Microsoft, it's like, just Mike, it's Windows, like it's Microsoft.

Speaker 2 What they started doing because Bill Gates ain't dumb is

Speaker 2 he was taking over while

Speaker 2 while Apple and them was working towards school and fun and stuff like that, Microsoft was taking over the corporate world.

Speaker 2 And every company, every, you know, work computer was a Windows and Microsoft Office.

Speaker 2 And then eventually, once we hit Windows 95, you know, that whole like, you know, the, the, the, the, the Apple like, you know, sessions where they launch new products, like Windows invented that.

Speaker 2 Like, that was Microsoft. Like, it was just goofy.

Speaker 2 Even the, the, the user video, the training video for how to use Microsoft Office and Windows 95 had, believe it or not, actors from Friends, from the show Friends was on it.

Speaker 2 Jay Leno did the monologue.

Speaker 2 It was the biggest thing in the world because it was just change. You got to remember, this is where tech was.

Speaker 2 And what else that they did that was amazing was if you bought a laptop, you got to remember there was a million different types of laptops.

Speaker 2 You remember HP? You remember Acer? You could get any type of, just like... before the iPod, there was Zunes.
Like there was a million different other products.

Speaker 2 And then somebody takes over and just wins the thing what microsoft did was they cut a deal with pc and laptop companies and was like yo so let us be your default operating system so if anybody wants to use another operating system an os like a macintosh you got to take all that stuff off and put a new one in now macintosh was smart enough to say no our operating system works on our products only but set that to aside right now microsoft was like cool y'all can have your own little weird egg-shaped computers.

Speaker 2 We'll take over every other computer on earth. And that's kind of what they did.

Speaker 2 They just cut a deal and they was just like, yeah, dude, like, yo, if you're selling a laptop, you're selling a desktop, it's got Microsoft operating system already installed.

Speaker 2 So we already got a deal. So we didn't even got to sell it to the consumers.
It's already sold to the manufacturer. Kind of brilliant.
I mean, why wouldn't you do that?

Speaker 2 Now, while this is happening, something else was being invented. A little

Speaker 2 thing called the World Wide Web.

Speaker 2 The internet was being made around this time. Talk about that next.

Speaker 2 Okay,

Speaker 2 so now that the internet's being made, you know, you got to buy your modems. What nobody thought about,

Speaker 29 because you have to remember, nobody knew what the internet was, is you have to have a way to get on there. Browser, no, you need a browser.

Speaker 29 It's so stupid. Like, it's so stupid that I have to point that out, right?

Speaker 2 And because there was no separate apps for your emails or for there was no apps the apps were microsoft you need a browser to get on the internet the browser

Speaker 2 there was a lot of super types there was navigator there was netscape and at the time that's all that netscape made they were the only browsers i mean it was fine like what else did we know you got on the internet with on a netscape browser you bought your little aol disc which we're going to talk about in a second Brought your little AOL disk, popped it in, you clicked the disk, and then it would throw to Netscape.

Speaker 2 Like you just, that was the only, that's how you opened the internet was the browser.

Speaker 2 Of course, now we, you know, we got Chrome, Firefox, Safari, like we got those things, but you got to remember, like, we didn't, none of those things, they, we didn't know what those things meant.

Speaker 2 Like, none of those things existed. Netscape was how you got to the internet.
Bill Gates ain't stupid. He was like, yo, this the future.
We need a, hold up. We need a browser.

Speaker 2 And his browser was called Internet Explorer. That's how you got on the internet.
His browser was trash, right?

Speaker 2 Because they was too busy making too many different things.

Speaker 2 It was making laptops, it was making office, they was making Windows, it was making all these different things that they didn't really make browsers.

Speaker 2 But he's not stupid, he knew that this was the future. So the browser got better and better and better.

Speaker 29 And then he realized, like, wait a minute, I have a million vendors I work with. Every laptop already has my product in it.
Stupid. Why don't I bundle Internet Explorer with it?

Speaker 29 As a matter of fact, I'll throw in Internet Explorer for free. It just comes with, it comes with Microsoft.
It comes with Windows.

Speaker 2 Windows is already on every laptop.

Speaker 29 I'll just, it's so stupid.

Speaker 2 Like, duh, I don't even have to sell it. I'm already, nobody, can you name another word processing?

Speaker 2 What's the Mac? What? Numbers?

Speaker 2 Adobe pages? I'm saying even now, we don't use it. Maybe you write in Google Docs, which we're going to get to later, but nobody writes it.
Like it's, it's, you use Word almost two decades, right?

Speaker 2 Like you, what else is there? So they were like, duh, let's just add our product. Let's just add Explorer to every laptop.
Obviously, Netscape's like, well, wait a damn minute, bro. Are you serious?

Speaker 2 So you're just going to sell the product for free? Well, like, I mean, there's nothing. Well, I mean,

Speaker 2 you're already on every laptop. Like, this is.
They were like, you're breaking antitrust laws.

Speaker 2 So they wrote a letter to the Department of Justice, like, yo, fam, I can't, like, can't nobody compete with this? This ain't right. 200-page letter.

Speaker 2 Justice Department was like, huh, you might be on to something.

Speaker 2 Because, like, you're like, this is what seems to us like, this is anti-competition. Like, you just boxed everybody out.
Like, you just gave everybody the product for free.

Speaker 2 You just gave everybody the weight for free. Somebody coming in your hood and just passing out weed for free.
It's like, well, how can I run a business?

Speaker 2 like i don't understand like if if every car come to your neighborhood has already got a vape in it like well i mean what i'm supposed to do why you think the

Speaker 2 gas company so mad or why you think these uh oil companies so mad about electric cars because it's like oh i don't need you no more like wait a minute this is leading us to obsolescence but there but but what's specifically about an antitrust is or this monopoly is like this is the same product and you guys are like this is david and goliath out this mug like you already like there's no i can't compete with this this is like there's there is no competition i i don't want to get into the like operating system business like we make an internet browser and you're just giving yours away for free and and even if people don't want it haha which is where we get what has to do with google even if people don't want it it just comes with the lab so of course like just the psychology of it is like well this is the one that come with it so like why would i go out of my way unless i'm a tech geek why would i go out of my way it's just it come with it we don't know enough about the internet to have a preference about it we don't know about incognito like that stuff don't exist no more or yet so what difference does it make all right let's internet explorer and it made sense to us because it was like or to the it made sense to the consumer because it's like what's made from the same company that when i open the laptop that's how it runs They was like, yo, this is unjust.

Speaker 2 Like, this ain't, they can do whatever they want.

Speaker 2 And I remember, Gabriel, the browser was trash. Like, it wasn't, it wasn't that good of a browser.

Speaker 2 Like, it just, like, what do you, I don't know what I can, I mean, and they had no incentive on making it better per se because they done already sold the product completely.

Speaker 2 They done already made their money off off Windows and off Office. So there's no like, you've cornered the market.
There's no, there's, there's, you, no one can compete with you.

Speaker 2 So they brought that case to the Department of Justice. Netscape did.
So Netscape

Speaker 2 brings a case to the Department of Justice. They was like, just like I just explained, like, yo, this is a monopoly, dog.
Like, there's nothing we can do about it.

Speaker 2 Like, I mean, what are we going to do? It's already on your laptop. I bet you you open your, did you get a new computer today? Bet you, it's already there.
Like, how do I compete with that?

Speaker 2 Like, that's not, what am I supposed to do? They bring in Microsoft to be like, okay, well,

Speaker 2 and this is like legendary. Like, so Bill Gates and him and Microsoft come in, and Microsoft was just like, okay, that's funny.

Speaker 29 Wait, what?

Speaker 2 Wait, are y'all serious? Hold up. There's no way in the world you're serious right now.
What is you? What you saying is absolutely ridiculous. Let me get this straight.

Speaker 2 Wait, hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up. Let me get this straight.
We made a product. We made smart business moves.
We used our connections. We developed a new product.

Speaker 2 We took our own product, bundled it with our other own product. And used the connections that we took years to develop.
And you saying that's a problem? What you mean?

Speaker 2 Like, what is the problem you can't possibly be oh you so we're smart you're punishing me for being what are you talking to you're saying this is anti-capitalist i don't understand so should our products suck should we not try what do you you want us to not make money what are you talking about this is absurd

Speaker 2 you mean we made a product that we hustled i don't understand tell them fools to get their weight up Ain't nothing stopping you from finding a computer.

Speaker 2 You could approach them with the same contract we approached them with.

Speaker 2 Get get your weight up i don't understand we approached these people we approached these manufacturers they could have said no they said yes what do you want me to do you want me to tell the consumers don't buy our product what are you talking about

Speaker 2 absolutely ridiculous was microsoft's argument the problem was they just walked in super smug and super arrogant and they were just like i'm saying like we smarter than everyone else was our fault we're smarter than everybody else department justice ain't like that they ain't like your little attitude They asked him very, very direct questions like, yo, do you remember this email?

Speaker 2 They pulling up emails where them fools was talking.

Speaker 2 This is the first time that was like a part of like, because remember emails just now were born, pulling up emails where they were like, knife the baby, like talking about like, really, we're trying to kill Netscape.

Speaker 2 Like that's our goal.

Speaker 29 Like we're actually trying to get like just cutthroat, like Silicon Valley, like OG. Like, no, we're actually trying to kill, kill it.
They was like, yo, you remember this email? He was like, no.

Speaker 29 Like, you don't remember the one you just replied to? He's like, no, I remember it. He was just a jerk about it.
Like, they were like, hey,

Speaker 29 did you have any concern about any other companies? He was like, what? I don't understand the question. And I was like, what? What don't you understand? He's like, what do you mean by concern?

Speaker 29 I don't know what you mean by that. And they were like, do you know what concern means? Like, I know what it means.
I don't know what you mean by that. It was like, sir, deep.
Okay.

Speaker 29 Just this like smug, I'm smarter than you.

Speaker 29 I'm 10 steps ahead of you. Just

Speaker 29 it just turned everybody out. But

Speaker 29 ultimately, their point was, okay, dude, you can't punish us because their product sucks.

Speaker 2 Like that can't be, that can't possibly be our fault. We're good at business.
This is what happened. Department of Justice was like, no, that's a monopoly.
Y'all got to break this company up.

Speaker 2 Because the straw that broke the camera back was pairing Office and Windows with Explorer. That's the part that did it.
Because it's it's like you've made, now nobody has any other option.

Speaker 2 That's the same example I was giving with Tesla because the point is

Speaker 2 on general principle, consumers are supposed to have options. And the argument is

Speaker 2 having options keeps everybody in check, right? Because

Speaker 2 if you have options, that's going to force you to make the better product. And if you making a better product, that make all of America look good.
Consumers are happy. Money's flowing, right?

Speaker 2 That's the argument. And again, using the Tesla as an example, like I just said right now, didn't I just say that? I'm sorry, I'm just talking.

Speaker 2 If every electric car in the future, if you want to do self-driving mode, you have to use this because that's the default setting.

Speaker 2 And this gives Tesla no incentive to like, they can charge every car company whatever they want because who else you going to go to?

Speaker 2 Which means that that is going to raise the prices for all of our cars, which means that's going to raise the prices for chips and all this good stuff.

Speaker 2 It's just like, there's no, like, this doesn't help nobody.

Speaker 2 This just makes you by yourself rich and all of us got to suffer by it. So that's, that's the theory.

Speaker 2 Nobody's happy with that except for y'all. And we just decided as a nation back in the 1700s that we wasn't going to be like that

Speaker 2 in theory. Now, what they told them that they had to do was break the company up.
You have to put Windows in one place as one company and Office as another company.

Speaker 2 Is that how you understand Microsoft? Of course not, because that didn't happen.

Speaker 2 Essentially, what they did was just they paid the fines, they did what they had to do, and then they just promised to not be jerks.

Speaker 29 Just really, really ain't nothing happened. So ultimately, nothing changed.
Netscape ended up selling to AOL.

Speaker 29 Microsoft just had this ruling stand that they were operating as a monopoly. But since God is good and just,

Speaker 29 when last time you opened an Internet Explorer browser.

Speaker 2 Now, this is what the Department of Justice was considering when they looked at this Google case.

Speaker 2 Now let's talk about specifically the ruling. Now remember Google, the company's called Alphabet for whatever reason.
The ruling was that they illegally monopolized the search engine market.

Speaker 29 Now, and here here's here's how they did it. Now, they did it the same way Microsoft did it in the sense that you just, if you're a software company, duh, make deals with hardware companies.

Speaker 29 So, what Google did was like, I don't care if you're using Chrome,

Speaker 29 even if you use Safari, whatever phone you got when you open it, make a deal with us where you automatically your search engine goes to Google.

Speaker 29 When the last time you said, I'm going to bing something, I'm going to ask jeeves something no you google it so they made deals with phone makers and other hardware folk to be like look just let us be your default browser now you all know you could go into your phone you could go into your uh settings and say like i want this other thing to be the default but who's gonna do that some people do like some of y'all folks who just are like anti-iPhone and because you believe in freedom,

Speaker 2 you want an Android, which is just another company like i don't understand how y'all don't understand that but your belief is you want to be able to customize it in the way that you want to customize it because apple tell you what to do and one of them things that apple tell you to do is like it's automatically gonna go to a google now with that being automatically your search engine and them

Speaker 2 gathering a trillion kajillion mega kabillion frobbily flobbly phillion megabits of information on us

Speaker 2 they can sell ad ad spaces. So, if you are a person like me who make a

Speaker 2 living online, I mean, you have to, you have to use the Google market. You have to use their ad spaces.
You have to do search engine optimization. You have to be able to show up in their

Speaker 2 ad revenue space because that's where everybody at. Why in the hell would you buy an ad at Bing? What is that going to do for you?

Speaker 2 And if, and since they the only people in town, they're the only people that it really makes sense to spend your money on, they could charge you whatever they want.

Speaker 2 Let me tell you why Terraform Coldbrew wasn't on Amazon

Speaker 2 because I would lose $2 per can.

Speaker 2 Like,

Speaker 2 I would be paying them. Like, there's no,

Speaker 2 but at the same time,

Speaker 2 Terraform Coldbrew out of money. If you went to the website, ain't no coffee there because I'm out of money.
You understand what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 Like, they make it where, I mean, what are your other options? That's that phrase, like, what's my other option? That is a monopoly.

Speaker 2 Now, what Google argued was the same thing that Microsoft argued, which was like, fam, I'm sorry for being good at my business, but people can do whatever they want.

Speaker 2 We just happen to try to give people an offer they can't refuse. Now, what was interesting this time was the Supreme Court brought up not just X's and O's, it wasn't just

Speaker 2 business and like nerdery around the law. They brought up psychology.
And it's this concept called the psychology of the default. No, no, no.
Let me say it right. The power of default.

Speaker 2 Now, you and I, I don't even have to explain that. You understand when something's just your default setting.
And you just,

Speaker 2 after a while, because something just becomes so normal, you don't even think about that there are other alternatives. Like you'd have to go out of your way to do that.
That's the default.

Speaker 2 And what they were arguing is that is proof of a monopoly in our brains. Google's a verb, despite the quality of Google, because you probably experienced the same thing I'm experiencing.

Speaker 2 When you try to Google something, it's like because of the AI thing. I'm like, y'all, your product's getting worse.

Speaker 2 Now, that's probably because we're old and we're not searching on TikTok, which is where the rest of the people search,

Speaker 2 which was Google's defense. Google's like, I'm not worried about Netscape or Ask Jeeves.
I'm worried about TikTok. Like that's a search engine.
And they're like, fam, no, it's not.

Speaker 2 What are you talking about? The psychology or the power of the default is when your brand is so strong that you just don't think of, you don't even think, of course there's alternatives.

Speaker 2 You don't even think of it, which is like

Speaker 2 a new strategy to argue that somebody has a monopoly. So, what's the solution? The solution is to break up the company.

Speaker 2 That's usually what it means. Now, like I told you before,

Speaker 2 what happened with Microsoft was basically like they were supposed to split up Microsoft Office from

Speaker 2 Windows. So, that was the plan for Google.
It's like, you gotta remember, this is a Alphabet's a $2 trillion

Speaker 2 company. So, one of the suggestions was like divesting the Android operating system was like the most frequently discussed option by

Speaker 2 the Justice Department's attorney. And then some were suggesting the force

Speaker 2 of the ad words, like you have to sell that.

Speaker 2 And Google got to let go of that program, right? The search ad program, right? A divestment from that, from its Chrome like web browser.

Speaker 2 But at the end of the day, they haven't landed on an actual verdict as to how to solve this. They've just said, no,

Speaker 2 you violated antitrust laws. You're going to have to break up this code.
Just curved them.

Speaker 29 Now,

Speaker 29 things like this is where

Speaker 29 your

Speaker 2 super conservative capitalist argues is a problem

Speaker 2 because it seems as though this is not free market capitalism. They're like, let the consumer decide.
We just did good business and the government shouldn't interfere.

Speaker 2 These are same people that don't want the EPA to exist. You know, so if there's mad cow disease in your beef, they like, people will stop buying it.
So just leave us alone. That's their argument.

Speaker 2 Like, well, I mean, tell everybody else to get their weight up.

Speaker 2 They don't want no interference.

Speaker 2 Which I guess I would understand too if I owned a company and was making a kajillion dollars. But

Speaker 2 I'm a consumer that really just wants to be able to have good products, afford the products we have,

Speaker 2 and not hear somebody like Jeff Bezos in his rocket that looked like a penis

Speaker 2 who didn't even actually make it in the space. And then to say, hey, you guys did this by buying stuff.

Speaker 2 Like, don't nobody want to see that? Like, okay, listen. Here's the underbelly.
We know.

Speaker 2 all right? The thing is,

Speaker 2 we ain't got no choice.

Speaker 2 Amazon might be next in this. This is the deal we've made

Speaker 2 without having an option to make this deal.

Speaker 2 We know we making y'all rich, but we also need to live.

Speaker 2 And sometimes...

Speaker 2 If you that person, man, the consumer like us, it kind of feel good that there's some big homies that might be able to come in and say, hey,

Speaker 2 y'all don't get to treat the little homies like that because,

Speaker 2 man, that's some good stuff. Hood politics, y'all.

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Speaker 16 I want to figure out why this case went on for as long as it did, why it took so many bizarre and unsettling turns along the way, and why, despite our best efforts to resolve suffering, we all too often make suffering worse.

Speaker 2 He would say to himself, turn to the right, to the victim's family, and apologize, turn to the left, tell my family I love them.

Speaker 2 So he would have this little practice, to the right, I'm sorry, to the left, I love you.

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Speaker 29 Words are funny.

Speaker 29 That's how I'm opening this.

Speaker 2 Because,

Speaker 2 look, there's sounds that we just decided meant stuff

Speaker 2 to the point to where sounds can make you take somebody's life. And sometimes the same sound can mean different things, depending on their spelling, their context.
I'll give you an example.

Speaker 2 When black people say barbecue, we could be talking about three different things. We could be talking about the food barbecue.

Speaker 2 We could be talking about, as in like the style of cooking barbecue, the food. We could be talking about the actual act of cooking that food.
to barbecue. We could be talking about an event.

Speaker 2 We are going to the barbecue. You not invited to the barbecue.

Speaker 2 What the East called a cookout, we call it a barbecue out here out west. You know, it's the same with the Latinos, like with Mexicans, they say the carnihasada, they mean one of three things.

Speaker 2 They mean the act of grilling. We are going to have a carinazada.
That is, we're going to have a barbecue, we're going to grill, and we are going to eat carna hazada at the carinazada.

Speaker 2 Like they just, it's the name of the food. It's the act of grilling, and it's the event.
So that's the Mexican version of saying when we be like, oh, you ain't invited to the barbecue.

Speaker 2 They say you're not invited to the Carrie Ansada. Like, that's what they mean.
The word is the same. It means three different things.

Speaker 2 And pending on the context and when it's coming out their mouth, you could figure out what's happening. Now, I say all that to get very serious.
I want to talk about the word Zion.

Speaker 2 Oh, it's about to get, I felt like I heard the record scratch right now. Because if you've listened to reggae music, if you've heard

Speaker 2 anything made by Bob Marley, you done heard the word Zion many times. You a fan of Lauren Hill? What's the name of her child? Zion.
Now the joy in my world is Zion.

Speaker 2 Black people love Zion. Mount Zion.

Speaker 29 A boy on the side of Babylon trying to front like you down with Mount Zion.

Speaker 29 Uh la la la is the way that we rock when we doing our thing.

Speaker 29 The black hotep rosta,

Speaker 29 you know, choo stick.

Speaker 29 We love Zion. We're chanting down Babylon.
Babylon is,

Speaker 29 will be defeated by Mount Zion.

Speaker 29 Is that the same Zion

Speaker 29 in Israel and Palestine? What y'all mean by that? Then what the hell is a Zionist? So is that somebody that believe in Mount Zion? Like,

Speaker 29 what is Zionism?

Speaker 29 And I'm sure if you listen to this show, they the ops, right? You, you convince Zion, like those are the ops.

Speaker 29 So I don't know if the thought has ever crossed your mind to be like, well, is the Zionism that y'all talking about the same Zion and Zionists that the rosters are talking about?

Speaker 2 Maybe this never crossed your mind, but it's the, the word needs to be dissected. So I am using this moment to teach you two things.
What do the rosters mean when they say Zion?

Speaker 2 And what is Zionism and its history? All right, hood politics.

Speaker 2 Okay,

Speaker 2 listen. First, before I get into it,

Speaker 2 this week is like this.

Speaker 2 It's like this, son. It's like that, son.

Speaker 2 Let me take the news serious. All right, this week is like this.
Well, the Olympics ended, and

Speaker 2 I'm only excited about breaking. I'm sad that it's not going to be in 2028, and it's not because of Ray Gun.
They decided before her

Speaker 2 that

Speaker 2 they weren't going to do it in LA, which sucks. I don't know why they decided that, but they decided that way back in 2020.
Having said that, speaking of Ray Gunn, I know she's taking over the memes.

Speaker 2 I feel bad for these amazing B-boys and B-girls, specifically logistics. Sorry, that's a text.
Specifically, logistics. Anak murdered them fools.

Speaker 2 And while she was in the middle of slaying, absolutely slaying Ray Gunn, here's the thing. Have you ever been in a battle? Okay, now I'm from LA.

Speaker 2 So that double time, kind of what you think is bone thugs and harmony chopping stuff, that originates at a place called the Good Life Project Blowed, this group called Freestyle Fellowship.

Speaker 2 And that is a sound that just kind of came from the LA Underground. My, I figured it, we're gonna rhyme, we're gonna rhyme.

Speaker 2 Like, I don't rap like that. So if you're at a spot and you're battling somebody and they killing it on the double time, it's killing the crowd.
You have, you, I can't compete with that.

Speaker 2 You got to go all the way the other way. You got to get real creative and try to do something else.

Speaker 2 So, for me, it becomes: I'm going to try to do the contrast and do sort of a slow flow with a gang of wordplay and get really creative with a pattern. My time rhymes to find the mind Saturn.

Speaker 2 Roller skate rhymes to find a kind Cattern. Boom, pa bone, battern.

Speaker 2 You will flatter. You know what I'm saying? I'll make you scatter.
Like just something else. You got to take a chance.
And sometimes it lands.

Speaker 2 Sometimes it doesn't. Okay.

Speaker 2 You get creative, you take a shot like take old dirty bastard. He don't rap like the rest of Wu-Tang.
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. And I picked up what she was throwing down.

Speaker 2 She was trying to rep the Aussie Land, do animal style, kangaroo hops to rep her soil and be creative. Sometimes it works, sometimes it don't.

Speaker 2 Now, I don't know nothing about her husband being in charge of no thing and all that good stuff that they were saying. All I know is you have to battle a lot of people to get to the top.

Speaker 2 And battling is very subjective. And sometimes creativity and style points count, but when your creativity just swinging a miss,

Speaker 2 she clearly don't have no power moves. She was battling logistics who got style, finesse, flavor, dance, intangibles, and power moves.
What are you going to do?

Speaker 2 I saw a head spin in there, but she clearly don't have no power moves. So she's trying to fight back with style.
Just didn't work.

Speaker 2 So I'm saying this as somebody who has been in a battle and sometimes you lose your train of thought and the words sound like gibberish.

Speaker 2 She took a creative chance and it was a swing and a miss.

Speaker 29 Sometimes it happens.

Speaker 2 On a serious note, okay, receipts are being pulled on Walls and on JD and everybody involved. And we're trying to figure it out.

Speaker 2 The Democrats are doing their best to make Project 2025 Trump's thing, which it is not. It is somebody trying to tie it to Trump.
I can't believe I'm saying this in his defense.

Speaker 2 That is a lot of overlap, but that's their own thing. Now, Trump, it's all cap saying Trump.
He don't know who them people are because he knows who they are and he knows what they want.

Speaker 2 So that's cap, but it's in his defense is not his. Now, secondly, in JD Vance's defense, I know, I know what it sounds like, but I'm going to say it.

Speaker 2 He being dragged over this app harvest harvest startup.

Speaker 2 So that was a company that was an agricultural company that was supposed to be in Appalachia and was going to give hundreds and hundreds of jobs to the area. Everybody got excited.

Speaker 2 It was like, dope, man, he one of us, or at least you told us he one of us. It's going to be a fresh job.
Now, again, he was an investor and he was just on the board.

Speaker 2 Now, I have sat on a couple boards. And just because you're on the board, don't mean you in charge of operation.
Now, and just because you an investor don't mean you in charge of the money.

Speaker 2 Now, you got a lot to say, obviously, but you can't necessarily

Speaker 2 be blamed for everything that go bad, and you can't necessarily take the praise for everything that go good.

Speaker 2 Now, not only did this business fail before it failed, they was talking about it was 110, 120 degrees inside that building because it's a greenhouse. The conditions were terrible.

Speaker 2 And while everybody was like, man, I can't work in here, they brought in not a couple migrant workers, not even undocumented, 500 of them, 500 undocumented workers, which in any other scenario, all right, what do I care?

Speaker 2 The reason why any of us care is because you're supposed to be Captain Appalachia. You called yourself that.
If you didn't call yourself Captain Appalachia, it would have just been a failed thing.

Speaker 2 But you set yourself up as Robin Hood of the woods. So since you did that, you, I mean, what you gonna say, homie? That's on your watch.

Speaker 2 You could front like you one of us, but that ain't really hurting nobody. Now you hurting us saying you one of us.
So he's gonna have to answer to that. And his answer was, yeah, it sucked.

Speaker 2 I invested and I was on the board, but I mean, I wasn't in charge. And in his defense, he's right.

Speaker 2 Now, if these walls could talk, y'all still calling that man Tampon 10 as if you ain't all you got to do,

Speaker 2 beloved, is read it. You can read the law.
It is all over Beyonce's internet. I'm going to read it for you.
Article 1, General Education, Section 1, 121A.212. Access to menstrual products.

Speaker 2 A school district charter must provide students with access to menstrual products at no charge.

Speaker 2 The products must be available to all menstruating students in restrooms, regularly used by students in grades 4 through 12, according to the plan developed by the school district.

Speaker 2 For purposes of this section, menstrual products means pads, tampons, or other similar products used in connection to menstrual cycle. That's it.
That's what the law says.

Speaker 2 Now, the whole you putting tampons in boys' bathrooms. I mean, okay, I just read you the law.
That's what the law say. So just, you know, cap down a little bit.
Now, the DNC has started.

Speaker 2 We're looking for you to put some words to your excitement, auntie. We looking for Joe to like, you know, go out in a blaze of glory.
And

Speaker 2 it's all week this week. Now, I did get to watch a lot of Mondays.

Speaker 2 Not enough to do a full recap, but the thing that's most interesting right now is the comparison to the 1968 one, which was there's a lot of similarities.

Speaker 2 There was a huge protest that happened in 1968 against the Vietnam War. And right now, there's a huge protest going on against the war in Gaza.

Speaker 2 The difference in 1968 and now is the cops beat the brakes off them protesters on TV. Like we all saw it.

Speaker 2 This time, see, Robert and Sophie and Gare are out there and they pretty much have kind of behaved. It's pretty chill, you know?

Speaker 2 Now we'll see, but right now it's been pretty chill, relatively speaking. And what's different this time is Joe went off script.
Joe said, you know what, them protesters out there,

Speaker 2 they got a point. It's innocent people being killed on both sides.
Now that would, now Sophie says she got a view of the teleprompter. That wasn't on the script.
Now,

Speaker 2 of course, we're all grabbing for scraps, but good for him. That's a good scrap to grab.
I'm so glad you acknowledged it rather than acting like it's just a party on the inside.

Speaker 2 The campaigns of Harris and of Trump have been hacked by Iran, according to the U.S. intelligence.
It's not like this wasn't expected. Country's been tapping into our elections as a sport.

Speaker 2 They've been doing this for a long time. Iran is not happy.

Speaker 2 Iran is like, you not not only did you kill Qasim Sulamani, you just popped another, we believe you just popped another person on our soil recently because you got to remember, like, Israel and America are interchangeable to them.

Speaker 2 They don't, ain't no difference. Sure.

Speaker 2 That means that y'all need to double check all sources. That means you need to question everything coming at you and keep your antennas high.

Speaker 2 You know, another interesting difference is, is that the news didn't report it. They didn't report the stuff that was in the league.

Speaker 2 You You know, man, in 2016, this was like catnip all the leaks, you know, butter emails. It's almost like we learned a lesson.
Like, you know,

Speaker 2 and there's a few ways to look at it, right?

Speaker 2 It's like, hey, like, if it's something in there that's like really like American people need to know, it's like, what's your duty as the media to be like, okay.

Speaker 2 I know how we got it, but like, this kind of too real to talk about it, to not talk about it.

Speaker 2 On the other hand, it's like, you know, when people make fun of your little brother and they be right about him but you can't make fun of him i don't want to hear from you

Speaker 2 like you can't say nothing about my little brother your mom being like you telling on your little brother your mom like why you snitching

Speaker 2 i don't want to hear from you just because like no you don't get to talk about it So the news was like, I mean, thank you. Cause they sent, they sent the content of the hacks to ProPublica.

Speaker 2 They was like, yo, you can have it. ProPublica was like, okay, cool.
Thank you. But like, I don't need to get this from you.

Speaker 2 I mean, respect.

Speaker 2 And finally, there's another rumor of a ceasefire deal. And I say rumor because that's exactly what it sounds like.
Because Anthony Blinken, like, yo, it's good. We're just waiting on Hamas.

Speaker 2 Benjamin Netanyahu said, like, I ain't agree to nothing. I don't know what you're talking about.
They still haven't met our terms.

Speaker 2 And in the middle of that, we just still sent $20 million to them people. So,

Speaker 2 let's be real.

Speaker 29 Can't nobody really tell another country what to do. You can't really, there's no way an American president can stop a country from going to war to another country.

Speaker 2 But what they can do is not pay for it. Anyway, let's get to what Zion is.

Speaker 29 All right, now I'm back. Now, listen, I am going to do both these things an incredible injustice because both of these topics will take a lifetime to understand.

Speaker 2 And both of these topics could have

Speaker 2 many different interpretations depending on your understanding of history, politics, religion. Remember when I wanted to talk to y'all about the Houthis, Hezbollah,

Speaker 2 all of these different topics where I'm like, when you get into a religion, just like, listen, listen, when I say Christian, it's the same concept.

Speaker 2 When I say Christian, we talk about Mount Zion all the time. Matter of fact, if you black, you probably went to Mount Zion AME.

Speaker 2 New Gethsemane Church of God at Christ. Now, I made that up right now.
There probably is a new guest. There's probably a Mount Zion AME.
I know there is. There's one in South Central.

Speaker 2 What I'm trying to say is we use these terms all the time because they in the Bible. But when I say Christian, that's what I mean.
Now, when you say Christian, you may think holy roller Pentecostal.

Speaker 2 You may think Trump. You may think, you may think Catholic.
You may think, there's so many other things you might think that are all these different. So

Speaker 2 you ask 10 different Christians, what does it mean to be Christian? You're going to get 10 different answers, most likely.

Speaker 2 You remember we did the Terraform episode with the homie Kevin Garcia, and I tried to break down in the beginning.

Speaker 2 It was tough, but I tried to give y'all a cursory understanding of like Western church history. You see, how I had to give that caveat that I'm talking about Western church.
Like,

Speaker 2 we ain't talking Coptic, we're not talking Greek Orthodox, we're not talking Russian Jesuit. Like, there's

Speaker 2 this,

Speaker 2 you could really get lost in the weeds. So, please give me that grace that what I am about to talk to you about

Speaker 2 is

Speaker 2 grossly truncated. Okay.

Speaker 2 But it's just to help y'all understand so that as you have your picket signs out, that at least you don't sound like a her.

Speaker 2 So, first, let me teach y'all what the Rasta Dem, what the Rasta Dem mean when they say Monsion.

Speaker 2 And I'm sorry about my patois, Rastadem.

Speaker 2 Okay, first, let me step back and say what is Rastafarianism.

Speaker 2 Now, I would say like globally, it's probably one of the youngest world religions, getting its roots by name in the 1930s, deriving from the Ethiopian emperor Hali Selassie.

Speaker 2 Okay, now, as I say this again, like Rasta, Rastafari, like this is not a compartmentalized philosophy or religion. This is a way of life, right? A liberty.
You know,

Speaker 2 this is our culture, our heritage, our history, right? And our way of being,

Speaker 2 which some could argue is, well, that's the definition of a religion. A religion, a way of being, right? Your

Speaker 2 liturgy. Anyway, there is an encompassing around this.
Now, it is impossible to separate Rasta from

Speaker 2 the African-ness

Speaker 2 of it. Okay.

Speaker 2 So the belief is this. When you listen to Roots Reggae, when you listen to, you know, Bob Marley and them, like,

Speaker 2 there's so much to cover. Dance hall, like, that's the club music.
Roots reggae, like, think of this as like worship. Like, this is praise and worship.

Speaker 2 There is a tie going back to the queen of Sheba and King Solomon. Now, I'm getting into my Old Testament.
This is why there's so much Judaism and Christian tied to it, because there is a belief that,

Speaker 2 and it's, and it's, and rightfully so, because if you believe the Bible, it's in the scriptures, is that the queen of Sheba, which was

Speaker 2 believed to be an ancient queen from the region of Ethiopia. Now, obviously, Ethiopia is a nation state, but Ethiopia as

Speaker 2 a continual connection of tribes, Oromo, Tigray, like like just the different tribes that are there.

Speaker 2 They have Ethiopia and Thailand shares the legacy of being the only two countries that were never colonized or conquered.

Speaker 2 Not Israel. Italy almost did, right? The British almost did, but they were never able to actually colonize Ethiopia.
And Ethiopia takes a lot of pride in this. So

Speaker 2 a lot of their lineage and heritage, because their history wasn't cut off or attempted to be erased, you can know a lot about them.

Speaker 2 Ethiopia in the scriptures in the Bible is called the land of Cush also, right?

Speaker 2 It's believed that Moses' wife, Zipporah, was from Ethiopia when Moses, this is all Old Testament stuff, but it all makes sense.

Speaker 2 It all makes sense as to why the connection is so important to them. Moses, before the whole let my people go, before the 10 commandments type joint, Moses supposedly, according to the story saw a

Speaker 2 one of pharaoh's guards abusing one of the jewish slaves and he hopped up and killed the guy and then he had to run and so then when he ran he ran to the uh to midian and he married jethro's daughter and it was believed that that area was Ethiopia.

Speaker 2 Okay, so like that at least the region that we now call Ethiopia. So there's this belief that Moses' first wife was Ethiopia.
You fast forward to Solomon, King David, King David's son, right?

Speaker 2 The writer of Psalms. And it's believed that, according to the passages,

Speaker 2 he had never seen anybody more beautiful or a kingdom more amazing than the kingdom that the Queen of Sheba came from. Now you fast forward to Emperor Selassie, and Emperor Selassie,

Speaker 2 a

Speaker 2 Romo Ethiopian Ethiopian man who became

Speaker 2 the emperor of what we know to be Ethiopia, right?

Speaker 2 Geopolitically. But it's a belief that his bloodline can be traced back to King Solomon, right? The emperor bloodline of Ethiopia can be traced back to King Solomon.
That's the Rasta belief.

Speaker 2 Again, ask many Rastas, you might get many answers, but overall, this is the belief, right? Now, set that aside, okay?

Speaker 2 Another connection is in, I know it's a lot of Bible stuff, but you got to follow me because we are talking about Jews and Rastas. So, of course, we're going to talk about the Bible, right? Now, the

Speaker 2 book of Acts in the Bible has this story of this one of the apostles named Philip. And Philip runs into an Ethiopian eunuch.
who, according to the Bible, was reading the book of Isaiah.

Speaker 2 And Philip sees him on the road And he's like,

Speaker 2 you know what you're reading? And the dude's like, how can I know if nobody teaches him?

Speaker 2 So he sits down with him and he, according to the scripture, according to the Bible, explains Isaiah, the prophecies, the Messiah, the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus, and how that stuff was prophesied in the book of Isaiah, blah, blah.

Speaker 2 So he ties all the things. And then it says that this Ethiopian eunuch got baptized right then.
Now, it is then believed that he brought Christianity as we know it.

Speaker 2 Their belief is like we saw it right there. But prop, I thought Rasta was Jamaican.
I'll get to it. So

Speaker 2 that's tie number three, right? Now,

Speaker 2 the fourth tie, which is one of the most compelling things to me between the Jews, Zion, and Ethiopia, is the city of Aksum.

Speaker 2 So the city of Aksum is in the northern part of Ethiopia and is known to be, and it's truthfully, the oldest, the first and oldest Christian city.

Speaker 2 Because, contrary to what your little white pastor will teach you, the faith went to Africa before it went to Europe. Okay.
Hell, it went to Mongolia before it went to Europe.

Speaker 2 The point is, the white man ain't teach us who Jesus was. Now, it is also believed that

Speaker 2 the Ark of the Covenant from the Old Testament is an axon.

Speaker 2 There are ruins at different churches that have good archaeological evidence to believe that they set up the tent with the dimensions that Exodus and Deuteronomy and them and them Old Testament scriptures have taught them to do this.

Speaker 2 There are, if you go to Israel now, black Ethiopian Jewish people. As a matter of fact,

Speaker 2 to be able to, now getting into the modern politics, to be able to repatronize, to be able to come back to israel as a jew you'd have to prove by your dna that you have jewish heritage you are in in fact an ethnic jew and the ethiopians there's a sect of ethiopia that not only can prove it but are some argue the closest like dna related to what might be the ancient israeli right they're the like that some would argue that as far as the diaspora not as far as like people ain't never left i'm talking about as far as the diaspora right so they are it can truly say and there's a lot of traditions that in certain parts of ethiopia that they continued far longer and are actually far more closely related to the ancient practices than what modern israel looks like this is just it's just history now because anti-blackness is universal when they got to israel the modern Israel, a lot of Ethiopian women were sterilized.

Speaker 2 And if you walk around Jerusalem, just like everywhere else, the people doing all of the

Speaker 2 dirty work, all of the brunt work, all of the jobs nobody wants are the black ones, unfortunately.

Speaker 2 That being said, the tie between Ethiopia, the ancient religion of Judaism, and the ancient people of Israel, one because of the region, one because of folklore, and one because of DNA, has Ethiopia

Speaker 2 is

Speaker 2 verifiably connected to whatever the ancient Jerusalem was. Okay.
You fast forward to Holly Selassie in the 1930s, who they believe, according to the Rastaim,

Speaker 2 is, I want to say 225th.

Speaker 2 I think that's what my cousin told me.

Speaker 2 225th. Don't quote me on this.
I'm just quoting my cousin of the Solomonic dynasty. So they believe that like the actual king, like a descendant of King David, right?

Speaker 2 A son of David, kind of like who Jesus was, a descendant of David, right?

Speaker 2 Was also Selassie.

Speaker 2 Are you following me? Okay.

Speaker 2 Now, the word Rastafari comes from Hali Selassie, which is Rastafari, right?

Speaker 2 It was his name, right?

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 he was one of the only independent black leaders in Africa at the time, right? So he bears this cultural, political, historical, and symbolic importance to just the African diaspora.

Speaker 2 Now, once you get into the practices of Rastafarianism, like again, like the Rastadim, the way of life, like the diet, you know, avoiding shellfish, eating seafood, like it's pretty similar to like kosher practices, again, because they have this tie to the land, the history.

Speaker 2 So there's, there's a lot of practices that are like, that are, that they, they, they have a lot of practices about being welcoming to the sojourner, about the way that we collectively sing. Jah

Speaker 2 is a Jamaican version of saying Yah, which is short for Yahweh. So when we say, Jah, Rastafari, you know, it's your Ja is Yah, Yahweh, or Jehovah, right? So these...
A lot of them are vegetarian.

Speaker 2 They don't eat meat at all. Definitely not beef or pork

Speaker 2 because you keep the temple clean, right? You very rarely are going to find an overweight Rasta.

Speaker 29 Like, they're usually in incredibly good shape.

Speaker 2 The dreadlocks have to do with what's called the vow of the Nazarite, because again, we're talking Old Testament.

Speaker 2 Samson in the Bible, you know, Samson with his golden locks, you know, the Samson and Delilah, like Samson that took what's called a Nazarite vow, which was a vow to keep himself holy to the Lord.

Speaker 2 And the symbol of that holiness to the Lord was not cutting your hair. This is as a symbol of our holiness, the vow of the Nazarite, you grow your dreadlocks, right?

Speaker 2 Dreadlocks was a term given to us by the British that we just owned. Nazi dread.
So, because our hair, our locks were dreadful. So, dreadlocks.

Speaker 2 There's also sects that believe that, like, God grabs the dead souls by their dreadlocks and

Speaker 2 brings them to heaven. Again, there's the symbol's beautiful, but either way, it's a symbol of the promise, your commitment to keeping yourself sanctified to the Father, right? Is

Speaker 2 if you're being a traditional Rastadim.

Speaker 2 Now, their belief, different than it's still, again, so follow me. This is still an Abrahamic faith.
That's why you're going to hear terms like Mount Zion, right?

Speaker 2 Which I'm going to get to specifically in a second. But

Speaker 2 their belief, different than Christianity, although similar in a lot of ways, similar to Judaism in a lot of ways, their belief is that,

Speaker 2 like I said, Selassie was the Messiah, right? right? This is an Afro-centric belief. How did it get to Jamaica? The transatlantic slave trade.
So it gets to Jamaica via the slave trade.

Speaker 2 We got carted off. Remember, this is an Afro-centric belief.
And when Africans got brought to Jamaica, they brought their beliefs.

Speaker 2 And then it synced, you know, had a lot of syncretism with a lot of like the voodoo and tribal and Caribbean practices, you know, a lot of the stuff that was happening in the Caribbean that, because again,

Speaker 2 this is East Africa, West Africa with the Orishi and the, you know, and a lot of the West African beliefs are a little more animus, you know,

Speaker 2 and not so Abrahamic, if you will, right?

Speaker 2 All that to say, just like any other faith, tradition, or practice, when it travels, it takes on a lot of the personalities, traditions, and practices of the people that it traveled with and the location location it lands.

Speaker 2 So the music that you hear, because obviously if you hear music in Ethiopia, it don't sound like reggae because reggae is Jamaican, right? So what you consider Rastafarian,

Speaker 2 you think Caribbean, because that's, I mean, I get it, right?

Speaker 2 And Ethiopia is Christian, right? Of course, there's obviously it's a modern country. There's millions of religions there, not millions, but you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 There's a lot of different religions religions there. But Ethiopia is Christian.
Rasta

Speaker 2 that's birthed out of the diaspora that has its tie to Ethiopia. Y'all following me? Okay.
You have people like Marcus Garvey, right?

Speaker 2 Who we need to at some point do a whole study on him and the back to Africa movement. And I don't have time to get into the depths of Marcus Garvey, but the point was,

Speaker 2 as far as the pan-African experience, where those who, the diaspora, we who got separated from our land, whether it was

Speaker 2 your run-of-the-mill, Black Baptist slave in Tuscaloosa, right, in Mobile, Alabama, backwoods of Pritchard in, you know, Macon, Georgia, that we was on the plantations.

Speaker 2 If a Bible got into our hands, it was so easy. to see ourselves in the children of Israel.
Like, it's not hard to see. If you read the book of Exodus, you like, well, damn, that's us.

Speaker 2 It was too, it was too, the connection is too obvious. We're like, oh my gosh, carted off into slavery from a distant land.
Like, and then there's a longing for a return to your promised land.

Speaker 2 And the capital of my promised land is the city of Zion.

Speaker 2 You following me? It would be the same in the Caribbean for the Rastadem. But they look at back as Selassie.
It is, Rastafarianism is by definition anti-colonial, obviously.

Speaker 2 And they believe that Africa is their, not only their, their literal ancestral homeland, but it's their spiritual homeland. And the country of Ethiopia gets a particular reverence because

Speaker 2 of the role it played in the 19th century for the resistance of because of Selassie, for the resistance of European imperialism. Everybody else fell.
Ethiopia didn't.

Speaker 2 So the gold, green, and red colors of the modern Ethiopia flag are the traditional colors of the Rastafarian because it can, in some ways, get it roots, gets its roots from there, right?

Speaker 2 Okay, I know that was a long preamble, but you got to understand what he told me.

Speaker 2 So once you have this understanding of your connection to Judaism practice, anti-colonial, you know, dispersed, taken away from your homeland, and longing for a return to your promised land, now we could talk about what Zion is.

Speaker 2 Now, Rastafarian has two basic tent poles, Zion, Babylon.

Speaker 29 You hear that stuff in all the reggae you listen to, right?

Speaker 2 So these are the theological

Speaker 29 ideological tent poles.

Speaker 2 The dichotomy is tied again to the anti-colonial

Speaker 2 origins because Babylon, remember, again, in your Old Testament, is the symbol of the evil powers, the evil empire, just like in the Bible. It's the

Speaker 2 epitome. It is everything that's wrong wrong in the world.

Speaker 2 It's the system is symbolized in King Nebuchadnezzar and the in the and the kingdom of Babylon and we long to see Babylon fall we chant down this worldly system that enslaves and and and and attacks and and and seeks to control not only the outward person but the inside of you what what Christians will call your sin nature worldly Babylon, right?

Speaker 2 So if you're following again the saga of the old testament Israel fleeing Egypt or getting away from Egypt, becoming free, and then being enslaved by Babylon again. Babylon's the problem.

Speaker 2 Does that make sense? Now in the Bible,

Speaker 2 Zion is just another name for Jerusalem, right? And it can refer to the land of Israel fully.

Speaker 2 Now, the Rastafarian, okay, this is where our difference is, repurposed the biblical definition to an Afrocentric direction. For the Rasta, Zion is the continent of Africa, specifically Ethiopia.

Speaker 2 But the term represents not just

Speaker 2 a physical place, because Ethiopia is just Ethiopia, but it's an ideal.

Speaker 2 It's what we would call to become Christ. This is paradise.
This is thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Zion, heaven and earth meets.

Speaker 2 So it's not just, it's, it's physical and so much more, which in a lot of ways is the same for the Jew, but we'll get to that.

Speaker 2 It is the destruction of a worldly system and the raising of a selected godly kingdom where all of us, what we would talk about, the Christians would talk about the kingdom of God is righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost, is to be a part of the kingdom.

Speaker 2 So it's a both place and it's an idea to strive for, right?

Speaker 2 Where the Rastas, they would equate with preserving and glorifying black african culture right the iron lion of zion you know bob marley's you know song but for more information like rasta fari is kind of like like how we have denominations there's a divided into mansions and they got it from like the gospel of john when jesus says in my father's house there are many mansions right again i'm telling you it's an abrahamic faith a lot of people don't think it's just a it's a black you know, anti-colonial African outpour of it, right?

Speaker 2 So you have like the Bobo, the Ashanti, the 12 tribes. That's a, that's a, a, a denomination, if you will.
They would call it the 12 tribes of Israel.

Speaker 29 The Naya, I never pronounce it right, but the Naya B, the Nayabingi, like I never pronounce it right, but.

Speaker 29 uh they're a certain type now some again they're some look more traditional than others and then a lot of people just follow like an individual like Rastaf way of viewing it.

Speaker 29 But at the end of the day,

Speaker 29 Ethiopia

Speaker 29 is,

Speaker 2 for lack of a better term, the new Jerusalem.

Speaker 29 This is Zion when we're talking about Rastadem.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 Now,

Speaker 2 what the Zionists believe next.

Speaker 2 All right, we're back.

Speaker 29 Now, Zionism.

Speaker 2 The

Speaker 2 name, the overall name for right now, you know, if you're pro-Palestine, that's the name of the bad guys.

Speaker 29 They're Zionists. And people have tried to separate the idea of anti-Semitism from Zionists, being anti-Zionist, that these are different things.

Speaker 29 Now, that would mean that you'd have to understand all those things and their history from them. Now, I'm trying to

Speaker 2 handle this like with as much respect as I can because I'm talking about a culture that's not mine, right? So please grant me that grace that there's, I'm probably going to overlook.

Speaker 2 Like I said in the beginning, I'm probably going to overlook some stuff that I'm not trying to overlook.

Speaker 2 I'm trying to give as best as I can an understanding of these different things. Anti-Semite, that's, I mean, those are the Nazis.
You just don't believe that it's a type of thing.

Speaker 2 It's a type of overall term for the concept of the convolution of idea, just this weird idea that all that is wrong, like it's almost like you've made the Jew Babylon. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 Like we just talked about. Like you, they are everything that's wrong.
They are both, they are both the killers of Jesus. They are the vermin that, I'm trying to describe anti-Semitism,

Speaker 29 the religion and the ethnicity that

Speaker 29 somehow or another is poor and subhuman, but also quietly controls all of the inner workings of money and power in the world. And your only solution is to wipe them out.
That would be anti-Semitic.

Speaker 29 That's the idea of that. That comes from this thing called the Protocols of Zion, which again, the word Zion, I'm going to talk about, which

Speaker 29 is

Speaker 29 something that we've talked about on the Behind the Bastards episodes of the Protocols of Zion.

Speaker 2 Now, that's anti-Semitic.

Speaker 29 Now, once we get into, now, if you remember the, one of the You Wasn't Outside episodes when we pulled a clip of a rabbi explaining the idea of what makes a Jew a Jew according to the faith is their covenant with Yahweh, that it's it's not necessarily a location.

Speaker 29 As a matter of fact, to see it as a location is to minimize it, where he was like, the promised land that

Speaker 29 our claim is because we are in covenant with Yahweh. And that can happen anywhere.
The location don't matter.

Speaker 29 So to say that the capital has to be in Jerusalem or has to be in Tel Aviv because that's God's will is

Speaker 29 he's like, no, you're missing the point. Like, who cares where a modern nation state plants? Like, that's a secular system.

Speaker 29 That is, like the Rastadim would say, that is Babylon to worry about what other nations say. I am a part of the kingdom and the kingdom exists because I am in covenant with Yahweh.

Speaker 29 We are a covenant people. That's what makes, that's what gives us our Jewishness is our covenant with Yahweh.
Who cares what the borders are? That would be a specific type of Judaism, right?

Speaker 29 A religious type of Judaism. Now, an ethnic Judaism, well, that's something different.
A political Judaism is something different. And that's what we're going to talk about right now.

Speaker 29 Zionism, as we're talking about, not the Rastadem, but Zionism, you could say, I'd say go back to August 29th, 1897. It was a meeting on the Rhine River in this small city like

Speaker 29 in Switzerland called Basel, right?

Speaker 29 Basel. Now, this meeting had people from all over the world, and it was to discuss this concept of Zionism.

Speaker 29 Now, like I said in the Bible, like I said, Zion is just a biblical term for Jerusalem, right?

Speaker 29 So they choose that term because if you're paying attention to Europe, Pagras, it ain't a good place for Jews. It's been all bad for them for a while.

Speaker 29 And this discussion was to say, we have to have a place because it seemed like no matter where we go, we not want it. Now, they pull in.
all the way back to all freaking Canaan to Egypt.

Speaker 29 They are talking about their deep history. And they're like,

Speaker 29 like, no matter where we go, we not want it. So we need to find a place where we could just be ourselves.

Speaker 2 And they thought, what better place than our ancestral homeland? Now, if you're looking around this room, you would think the same thing I would think. Y'all white as hell.

Speaker 2 Like, you're, you're European. I don't understand in the same way that you would probably look at that Ethiopian and go, but you're African.
But, but follow me now.

Speaker 2 So people in during the time from like Munich, from Germany, from Poland, from Switzerland, they're like, oh, what is you talking about? Like, I'm just as German as everybody. They German.

Speaker 2 They're like, we speak German. Like, this is just our religion.
Like, I ain't never seen, I never been to Israel. I never seen Israel.
Remember, Israel is not a thing at the time.

Speaker 2 That place is Palestine. You know, like, it's not a, that's not a, that's, it would be the same as me saying, I need to go back to Nubia.

Speaker 2 Like, Nubia's gone. You know, black people, like, again, a Marcus Garvey thing, but that was closer to their time.
Like, you need to go back to, there's no place here wanted for you.

Speaker 2 I'm just like, well, that's, I don't know, I don't, I don't even know the language they speak at Tobo.

Speaker 2 I'm guessing that because I took an African ancestry and they were saying I'm a father's side that maybe I like, I don't, what do I know about, I don't know anything about that.

Speaker 2 So the Jews at the time were like,

Speaker 2 what?

Speaker 2 I don't, this, what is you talking about? Like, it would be the equivalent to a back to Africa movement to where it's like, I mean, it sounds cool, but like, I mean, it's already people there.

Speaker 2 And I mean, it's been hundreds of years. Like, I'm German.
Like, we're German. A lot of the rabbis were like, look, first of all, this is blasphemous.

Speaker 2 We're not supposed to return until the Messiah come. Like, that's what the prophecy is.
And he going to bring us back. I don't know about what the hell you doing.
Right.

Speaker 2 And then the others, like the more modern ones were like, well, we're not a nation. Like, that was actually the point.
Like, don't you, then you read your, yo, Torah. You don't need a king.

Speaker 2 I'm your king. You're not a nation.
Like, that's the point. The point is you're supposed to be different.
I'm your king. You're a part of a kingdom of God, the kingdom of heaven.

Speaker 2 And I'll bring you back when it's time when the Messiah comes. So like, whatever y'all doing, that's not even.
Now, I'm saying that, again, this is 1897. That's, that was the belief of them.

Speaker 2 Now, again, those were some rabbi. And not only that, like I said, they're like, well, I'm French.

Speaker 2 I don't, what? Anyway, enter this guy named Theodore Herzl, right?

Speaker 2 Who was a journalist who covered this, actually probably one of the most radicalizing moments for anybody, for any Jew in Europe, right? And it was the case for this man named Alfred Dreyfus, right?

Speaker 2 Which basically became like the trial of the century. It was, they called it the Dreyfus affair.
And the journalist who covered it was Theodore Herzl. Basically,

Speaker 2 Dreyfus was accused of treason and found guilty and sentenced to like a work prison totally wrongfully convicted, completely out of nowhere.

Speaker 2 Y'all made all that up, but how that work was like, because he Jewish, it became not just about him, but that you can't trust the Jew.

Speaker 2 And Theodore Herzl is watching all this and he's watching the people get whipped up into a frenzy, people that was just your neighbors.

Speaker 2 Like again, I'm just as German as you, I'm just as European as you are. Like, fam,

Speaker 2 I remember the feeling when Trump first started taking over the brains of the white Christian, where I was like, dog, we was at Cracker Barrel yesterday.

Speaker 2 What happened? Like, we used to, what just, what has

Speaker 2 bewitched you? Like, all of a sudden, was you like this the whole time? It was super confusing. It's like, all of a sudden, we're different.
Yo, it's me. Like, I've been me this whole time.

Speaker 2 So Theodore Herzl was like, yo, okay, listen, we clearly not want it here. And it's only going to get worse.
Turns out he was absolutely correct.

Speaker 2 So he comes up with this idea that is like, he's like, okay, I'm going to suggest a Jewish state in the current state of nation of Palestine.

Speaker 2 Y'all think I'm crazy right now, but in about 50 years, you're going to see

Speaker 2 this was 1897. Guess what happened in 50 years, 1948?

Speaker 2 Israel became a nation. Ain't that crazy? So now, Zionism, you want to be able to distinguish it between two different types of Zionism, right? And this is where I would critique.

Speaker 2 making the concept the bad guy because there's two types here, okay? There's the Zionism that comes out of a longing for a home.

Speaker 2 That's where us and the Rastas actually share a place where we can be fully accepted, fully ourselves, and fully safe. Because again, we're not wanted anywhere we are, right?

Speaker 2 So there's a longing for a home that you've been ripped away from, right? Now, when they say ripped away from, like we're talking, guess who I'm talking about? King of Babylon.

Speaker 2 We're talking about the nations being scattered like 580 BC

Speaker 2 when the

Speaker 2 Ark of the Covenant went missing.

Speaker 2 And this beautiful, amazing kingdom of Israel that used to exist in modern day Palestine, Israel, in that region that was called Judea at that time, where they existed. And then

Speaker 2 if you know your history, I've said this so many times in the U Wasn't Outside episodes.

Speaker 2 That little strip of land has been conquered and colonialized and ran by every possible kingdom, every possible empire in the modern world, finally by Britain.

Speaker 2 And then, but as that was happening, the people who were ethnically Israeli as we mean

Speaker 2 in the ancient sense were scattered all over the world. So that's why you could be white as hell in Jewish and you could be black as hell in Jewish because they were scattered, right?

Speaker 2 And then of course, now you're not going to marry people while you're there, but somehow or another, they've been able to keep on to their traditions and their religions because they were also, it's one of those things which are ethnically and religiously and your identity.

Speaker 2 So, anyway, scattered all over the world, but as we know, there's plenty of people that didn't leave. Again, I'm giving you, you wasn't outside history, which you understand.

Speaker 2 So, there's this longing of being like, man, this, we used to have a place to be in the world. And you feel like you looking around and everybody else got a place to be in the world.

Speaker 2 This is born from despair, and rightfully so. But then there's this other type of Zionism that is more like this idea of reclaiming an enthusiasm about our heritage and our culture.

Speaker 2 Like we need, we need to be like the same way I would be like loud and black. Like we need to be black as hell out here.

Speaker 2 Like we need to reclaim, take up space and be ourselves rather than like shrinking ourselves. Like I want to reclaim.
all that it is for us to be us.

Speaker 2 Now, as a minority, that shouldn't be hard for you to understand. I mean, that's us sitting here in America, and then you got the Republicans being like, well, you're American first.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, nah, nigga, I'm black. I got my red, black, and green on the wall.
You know, it's the Latinos flying their Mexican flags. And like, nah, we who we are.
You feel me?

Speaker 2 And you're like, well, you're American. You know, it's, you're a no Savo kid.
You know, when you finally discover the concept of Aslan, you want to know a little about your own heritage.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you American, you know what I mean? You from East Los, but you want to reclaim your history, your heritage, your language. You want to learn Aztec dances.

Speaker 2 It's like, so there's that version also.

Speaker 2 So in that sense, it'd be weird to you when you like, you like, yo, like, yo, we're Jews. You're like, fool, I'm German.
It's like, nigga, you French? Like, word?

Speaker 2 These people don't love you. Like, why you identify as that? You know, so there's, you, you see that as a lens of Zionism.

Speaker 2 So you have these ideas happening all at the, all around the same sort of time and idea with the same term, Zion.

Speaker 2 So it could be seen as somebody that's like, yo, like, I want to learn our ancient language. I want to learn our practices.
I want to do the Shabbat. I want to, like, I want to bring back.

Speaker 2 It became this umbrella term for just what it meant to like reclaim your culture, reclaim your identity, reclaim the fullness of what y'all are. And then there's the geopolitical idea.

Speaker 2 Now, this geopolitical idea borrowed from all of these particular concepts.

Speaker 2 And if you read the writings of Theodore Herzl and a lot of the people involved in this,

Speaker 2 they were all bright-eyed about the idea that, like, oh, this is going to be a colonial takeover of Palestine.

Speaker 2 You have to remove the indigenous population for this to happen because there's no way they're going to give it to me. And there were certain ways they tried to do it.
They tried to do it peacefully.

Speaker 2 One way they said was, well, first of all, let's go talk to Britain. Because remember, the British Empire actually drew the partition.

Speaker 2 The British Empire is the one that drew the line between Israel and Palestine because, remember, it used to belong to them.

Speaker 2 Another idea that the Zionists had was, yo, let's go talk to the Turkish Empire, right? Because remember, the Ottomans were there before the British.

Speaker 2 And they was like, okay, so if you let us be a government, how about we pay all the debts?

Speaker 2 Well, what if we pay y'all's debts they were trying with matter of fact israel the location wasn't even their first choice because they was like this is a little too complicated they thought about going to africa they looked at a couple different places as to where to land this geopolitical idea of zionism i'm telling this out of order let me back up

Speaker 2 so the idea that like it's just a myth that the zionists were not aware of the palestinian arab population they were well aware of it but the question is what to do with that information?

Speaker 2 Because yeah, as Jewish as Herzl was, he's also a European. So that, like,

Speaker 2 he saw the Arabs as barbaric, like that they were, I mean, it's just, there's no other way around it. They were well aware that you are going to have to displace people to build a nation like this.

Speaker 2 So that was not, they knew, right? Now, again, I'm talking about the geopolitical idea of Zionism, but their idea was like, surely y'all can see that like, we're not a big empire. We're not here.

Speaker 2 Like, we just, we're just looking for a place to be, you know? And since we're from here anyway, it should, this shouldn't be

Speaker 2 a problem. So yeah, so like I said, Herze went to the, went to the British.
He went to the Ottoman Empire and he asked them like, yo, can we just go settle? Keep in mind,

Speaker 2 like, European Jews had been moving to Tel Aviv for a while. You know, they actually formed the city of Tel Aviv, right? Those were Jewish settlers from Israel.
That's formed the city of Tel Aviv.

Speaker 2 This is well before Israel became a state, right? So they had already been moving. Now they were just like, we just need legitimacy.
So how about we buy it from the Ottomans?

Speaker 2 And, you know, the emperor of

Speaker 2 the Ottoman Empire was like, bro, I can't sell you land. Like, it belongs to the people.
And they fought. to conquer this place.
I'm not

Speaker 2 going to just sell it to you.

Speaker 2 And not only did he not sell it to them, he started building policy to make sure that they can't just be immigrating and just buying up palestinian land he was like i'm not really i'm not really

Speaker 2 here for this and like why would i welcome like a large religious minority into my empire you might take it over so like i said he was like i i can't look They're not just letting us come.

Speaker 2 Now they're restricting our thing, our movement. He even, like I said, he went back to the British Empire, asked for a spot in East Africa.

Speaker 2 Like, can we just, and the Jews back home, it was like, nigga, we're going, we're going back to Zion. What the hell you talking about East Africa for? He's Hertz was like, bro, I'm trying, right?

Speaker 2 So eventually they found the city of Tel Aviv. They create their own, like anybody else.
Like, you created Chinatown. You created, like, you create your own community.
Then them niggas got organized.

Speaker 2 Now, now the timeline, I'm telling you this, like I said, remember, he had this first idea, 1897. So this is all during the times between like World War I, World War II.

Speaker 2 Remember, Britain didn't take over until 1917 because that's why he was building with the Ottoman Empire dudes.

Speaker 2 And then once they was gone,

Speaker 2 once Britain took over, 1917,

Speaker 2 we're seeing the end of World War I, right? You're thinking maybe this was a new world and then all hell broke loose with the Nazi Empire.

Speaker 2 And at that point, once the Nazis thing started happening, it was like, oh, nigga, we got to go. Like this, we can't be playing games.
We're trying to play nice. Like

Speaker 2 that, the Nazi thing kicked this mug into high gear. so now by 1947 it's like it now it's like the Jews are like a third of the population in

Speaker 2 in Palestine at the time right so so now it's getting a little itchy you know what I'm saying like now y'all just y'all just over here and if you an Arab nation you like okay wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait okay why we got to lose our home because of stuff europe did Why are we paying the price?

Speaker 2 It's like, I feel you, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 Like, that's terrible what you're going through but like why you got to come why you got to take our house why why y'all got to be like what's going on right now but anyway since nobody's handing it to them now we got numbers since nobody's just gonna let us be here the only way to do this is by force so them dudes made a military now it's time to scrap for it but as you know this is still a british outpost finally britain's like okay listen i I'm done with all this.

Speaker 2 Wait, what are we going to do? Y'all get that part. Y'all get that part.
They created the partition. But they said, now y'all figure out what is what and who run this and all that.
Like, I'm done.

Speaker 2 And there, at that moment, the birth of the nation of Israel. The lines created by Britain after they left in Palestine looking around here going, man, what?

Speaker 2 What just happened right now?

Speaker 2 And then, like I said, in

Speaker 2 other You Wasn't Outside episodes, rest of the Arab nations was like, oh, hell no. Like,

Speaker 2 if they went to war immediately, everybody jumped them. Egypt, everybody jumped.
It was like, and then, and look, Israel won, like, defeated. Like, they just,

Speaker 2 what did y'all do?

Speaker 29 Like, who are you? Why are you getting to be a nation?

Speaker 29 But that's what happened. And we still scrapping over it.

Speaker 2 Nation states, again, have more to do with. the recognition of other nations and who gets to decide who gets what power and all this good stuff.

Speaker 2 Like we said, borders are made up. They're drawn by conquerors.
It's not, don't let that fool you. The concept

Speaker 2 that

Speaker 2 has

Speaker 2 people

Speaker 2 out in the streets is the type of Zionism

Speaker 2 that

Speaker 2 has to do with the displacement of an indigenous population by force.

Speaker 2 Because you believe

Speaker 2 God wanted you here.

Speaker 2 That's one way to look at it. And that,

Speaker 2 my friend, is just run of the mill imperialism. It's basic.
Then there's the Zionism that says, like I said, I am preserving my culture.

Speaker 2 And then there's the Zionism that says, I am longing for a place for us to belong. A Zionism that is much more an idea.

Speaker 2 of a promised land rather than the hostile takeover of a place where people already exist.

Speaker 2 Spiritual, religious, political, all of that in this one term. So I am not going to tell you what to think of when you say Zionist.

Speaker 2 Just like I don't know what to tell you what you think of when you say Christian, but I tell you what, it ain't what the rosters mean.

Speaker 2 And I tell you what, if you're sitting in Palestine right now, do it even matter?

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