CZM Rewind: The Andrew Tate Story (Part 3 & 4)

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First off, we are doing a rewind week because I've written two new Andrew Tate episodes.

But also, my Earth Day came recently. We took some time off.

So we're going to take this week to replay the first four Tate episodes with ad breaks and stuff removed. I also wanted to tell you, Ed Zitron is in the running for a Webby for his show Better Offline, as is Molly Conger for Weird Little Guys.
Please go to the Webby's, vote for them. You can find the links in the show notes along with our other links.
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Please do vote for them. We'll be back next week with two brand new episodes on what Tate has been up to over the last couple of years and a bunch of really fucked up information that's come up.
So please enjoy these episodes, the reruns with less ads, and go vote in the webbies. Oi, it's Boston, Robert, opening up another episode of the Andrew Tite podcast.
Wow, that was incredible. I think I'm going to try my American accent now.
I hope that's not offensive to anybody. I'm Robert Evans.
This is the first and only Boston-based podcast. Robert, that was so bad.
That was so bad. More like behind the masters.
I'm like crying. Like Massachusetts.
It somehow keeps getting worse. I thought that was pretty good.
I thought that was pretty good. I would be more offended if I actually liked Boston, which I don't.
So it's so bad that I started to fit my whole face is red and I've teared up. No, you see, a lot of the times we ignore the Reddit when we disagree with it.
But today, the subreddit is filled with Bostonians saying my accent is perfect. So I have decided to take that as a mandate to continue speaking in a Boston accent.
Well, everybody, this is Behind the Bastards. It's a podcast.
Bad people tell you all about them. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
I have a Jamie Loftus text that says, Butch, Jack, Tommy, they're on their way. Throw Deadpool DVDs at you like throwing stars if you Do not stop the Boston accent.
Well, you know, Jamie is not really from Boston because she's from, she's from, she's from Hwavid. She's from Brackton.
Brackton. Yeah.
We don't consider that Baston where I'm from, which is, I don't know the parts of Boston. Look, this joke was always going to run into the limitation of me not knowing anything about Boston.
Yeah. The Liberty Bell? I'm from the Liberty Bell.
So, yeah, that's as Boston as it gets. Oh, my God.
They have a really shitty basketball team. I've heard that about Boston from Bostonians.
Yeah. Anyway, this is this is behind the bastards.
We are we are heading into veering into part three of our epic podcast on Andrew Tate that I I and all of you were cruelly forced to make because he suddenly very suddenly became became extremely relevant. And all of all of this, all of our accents, all of our crosstalk is an attempt to distract ourselves from the fact that we unfortunately have to learn a lot more about Andrew Tate.
And Sophie, Ian, I know I'm about to force a terrible, terrible quantity of Andrew Tate videos on you. You're going to see more of him.
Hi Ian Johnson our editor. Hi Ian Johnson our editor.
Champion. Sweet prince.
Kickboxing champion of the world. I'm just mentally preparing myself for a bunch of horrific Andrew Tate TikTok videos so let's do it.
Not to mention one half of the DJ group Gladiator with our very own DJ Daniel. We have the full Gladiator on staff, which is my favorite thing to brag about.
All of these things, all of these things are true. And what's also true is that I have watched hours of Andrew Tate.
The people who live with me have been miserable because while I'm cleaning the house, I've just been putting on his eight hour long videos where he tells people how to how to hustle. My condolences.
Yeah, I have broken my brain and now it's time for everyone else to suffer, which could be the tagline of the show, honestly. So, yeah, let's let's let's roll into it.
Robert, don't do that to people. Wear headphones.
Sophie, all of our money comes from doing that to people. Wear headphones.
I am wearing headphones now. No, when you're listening to eight hours of Andrew Tate.
No, see, I mean, the whole reason this podcast works and the whole reason that I enjoy doing it is getting to make other people miserable after making myself miserable. So if I were just hiding all of the Andrew Tate and experiencing it solo, I wouldn't enjoy it as much as like when one of my friends comes home from a long day of like teaching children at a public school and sees Andrew Tate talking about child labor on the screen of my TV.
And that's just the thing that assaults them as they attempt to de-stress from their day. I think that's beautiful, Sophie.
I guess I know who I owe apologies to on your behalf. Oh, everyone.
Everyone, Sophie. So let's let's get back into it.
When we left off there, there, Andrew and Tristan Tate's webcam sex business, which was essentially just sex trafficking, had taken off. They had started making a lot of money, and they had been forced to flee the United Kingdom after committing a series of sex crimes.
So they are in Romania now. Andrew Tate will, and he's pretty open about this, because after this point, he starts to get a lot more active on social media, particularly Instagram.
And when he's doing these kind of like videos with his fans where he talks about how he got rich and how to get rich, he'll talk about why he moved to Romania. And his explanation is there's sex crime laws are a lot looser there.
It's a lot harder to get prosecuted because the government is more corrupt. And while I'm not a rapist, I wanted to go to a place with more freedom to commit sex crimes, which is something a rapist would say.
and is in fact something a rapist did say. So he was never particularly good at hiding it.

And spoilers, it may prove to be a bad idea

to taunt the government of the country that you've moved to. Oh, by calling them corrupt and saying they don't prosecute sex crimes because Romania does actually have serious problems with sex trafficking.
but it turns out a great way to get a government to take a problem seriously is to taunt them and say that

they don't care about that problem

when you become incredibly famous for committing crimes. Yeah, it's going to be good.
Not not not to be advised. But that's a few years in the future, because for quite a while this happens, he moves around 2015 or so.
And and for years, he's very successful there. And he's Instagramming as he starts to buy these supercars, as he starts hitting the wealth level that he can fly in private jets.
He's putting all of these videos out. He's engaging in stunts designed to draw attention, like promising to pay fans $10,000 if they show him a good night out partying.

The catch was that.

So just to be clear, all this money is from the website that him and his brother are running, right?

That's where it starts coming in from.

As we'll get into there.

And to be honest, I'm not going to be able to give anyone a cohesive answer as to actually where all his money comes from because he is a criminal. So but but we know a lot is coming in from the cam business at this point.
Enough that he's like, yeah, promising to pay people 10 grand if they show him a good night out partying. And the catch is he's going to like Instagram beating them up if they if they don't show him a good time.
One fan took him up on this and the video's been scrubbed from the Internet.

But at the end of it, Tate's like, I had a bad time.

Now you have to fight me.

And this dude clearly doesn't want to fight him.

And is at one point like here, I have to take my watch off.

And so like Andrew looks away and then he just bolts and runs.

It's like a beat from a fucking Judd Apatow movie.

And it works incredibly well on Andrew Tate because he is it. We're about to get into some of the smarter stuff he did, but he's not nearly as smart as he thinks he is.
So that's fun. 2014, I think, is the year that the Tate brothers actually became millionaires.
I found a compilation of Instagram footage from that time and a YouTube channel called The Tate Pill. Oh.
Oh, I know. That's incredible.
Oh, yeah. That's amazing.
Let me breathe in your sorrow, Sophie. Mm, that fuels me.
Mm, nom, nom, nom, nom, nom, nom. I miss the Boston accent.
I do. Yeah, see? That was the plan all along, get you to miss the Boston.
This Instagram footage of his, like, first year as a millionaire, it's all shots of him driving expensive supercars, of the brothers partying, of piles of cash inside of vehicles. And, like, there's a lot of videos of piles of cash, of women, like, cleaning for him.
He's also really obsessed with showing, like, servants cleaning up for him while he does his videos.

But Tate's overall image, the way he presents himself, is quite different at this point. In one shot, we see him with a bunch of young women outside of a hotel or something.
He's got a full head of hair and he's wearing like a pink polo shirt and shorts. He looks like a frat brother, which is not the look that he goes for.
He's kind of going for more of like a sex criminal James Bond, which also you might just call like regular James Bond if he went shirtless more often in his kind of modern shit. But he's definitely just kind of, he's kind of basic still at this point.
Yeah, which I found kind of interesting. And another shot from this compilation of photos and footage, which I, again, I took from a channel called The Tate Pill.
We see a young woman with Tate's girl written across her chest in Sharpie. Later on, there's a woman with Tate's, uh, with Tate's written on her as like a tattoo.
Um, this is a thing that you should keep in mind because it's going to be relevant later. And Sophie, I put a picture in there of the lady with Tate's girl written.

Oh yeah. I was hoping I wouldn't have to show it to Ian,

but no,

no,

no,

no.

Let him,

let him see.

Let him,

let him take this in.

All right.

I'm ready.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You got that Ian?

You feeling good?

Ian,

I was happy.

He wouldn't make me show this to you.

Oh,

okay.

Yeah.

Yeah. No, that feels bad, but but okay let's keep going yeah it's good stuff you don't say oh no this whole thing is just giving me like dan blizzardian vibes i feel like he like saw a bunch of dan blizzardian videos on the internet was like i want that and then he just like started doing it are you familiar with dan blzarian oh yes yes dan blzarian who was like this big right-wing muscle gun influencer until he was present at that mass shooting in vegas and ran away rather than rendering aid to any of the injured people yes yeah that guy dan blzarian great guy um yeah i mean think the difference is that tate would never have had a problem with running away from a mass shooting because a big part of his brand is you should only look out for yourself and fuck everybody else um so he could he would not have had he would not have had trouble handling that situation um now that video compilation of tate and his brother when they first become millionaires is like thousands of video compilations of the Tates that litter the internet.
And watching those compilations, because he's been deplatformed so much, is basically the only way to consume a lot of Tate's content. And if you, you know, want to consume a lot of Tate content for some reason.
He's been deplatformed for most places. We actually just lost a video where you're going to play in here.
So the easiest way to find old episodes of Tate speech or various interviews is compilation videos, like the one I found of pictures of him when he first got his millions. That's something to keep in mind because it's going to be more relevant later.
It's evidence of the kind of strategy that he actually used to get as famous as he is. But first, we need to get into more of his backstory.
So in 2016, Mr. Tate became a contestant on Big Brother, the UK reality show.
Well, I guess the UK version of Big Brother, right? I think there's a bunch of versions of it. I don't know.
I've never watched Big Brother. But he was on the UK version of it.
And I don't understand the rules of the show, but he came in as an other housemate, which means he had to get voted to housemate status or some shit. He had to basically like socially engineer his way to being able to stay on the show.
And so he made a big deal about being a strategizer and how he had this like elaborate strategic plan to get on the house. But before whatever plan that was came to fruition, footage leaked of him whipping a woman.
Oh my God. Yeah.
I mean, this is one of those ones that I'm a little like unsure of because I've seen the footage and like it's unpleasant. He claims that it is was a consensual kinky sex act.
And so does the woman that he was whipping. And just based on the video, that might be true of this specific video.
Again, we know he's been physically abusive. There's a lot of evidence of that.
We know that he's committed rape. This specific video may actually have been a kink thing, which is why I'm not playing it, because I just, I don't think that kind of thing should be played.
So instead, let's watch a little clip of Andrew Tate on Big Brother. I think that's going to give people a little bit better of a context of this guy and how he was presenting himself in 2016.
Sophie, I've just put the link into the chat. Yeah, we're going to this will be a good time for everybody and much more pleasant than that video, regardless of what the truth is of the video.
I'm Peter Tate. I'm 29 years old and I'm a four times kickboxing world champion.
I see myself smarter than average. I was a chess champion from a very young age, from the age of three.
My is that i'm i'm not afraid of anything i have

don't need the money i don't want to be faint i don't want any of that so i'm going to be the most emotionally controlled person in the house is big brother time is up andrew confirm the character trait you have all chosen and targeted and explain your reasons we've chosen sex because we're assuming the person who describes themselves as sexy is an idiot and not being an easy choice No.

No.

Because the hair is sexy.

It's not an inside.

You can tell if someone's sexy or not. We've chosen because it'd be an easy choice.
So, that's Andrew Tate. He's insufferable.
Yeah, I mean, you see what he's kind of going for there. It's like, I'm the most emotionally controlled.
You can't, like, affect me. Yeah.
Yeah, he's doing kind of a version of the thing he's going to be doing. But obviously, he gets kicked off the show very quickly.
I think he's on it for literally, like, a week. Now, the claim is that he's kicked off the show because this video of him whipping this woman gets leaked out, right? And that like, that's why they kick him off.
There's debate about this within the Big Brother fandom. I went through the Big Brother fandom wiki because I wanted to see how were the bro stans responding to Andrew Tate? How did they feel about him? And they note this, quote, Andrew himself and many other fans believe that is an incorrect reason as to why he was ejected.
Andrew believes he was removed as a result after unaired altercations with other housemates. Got very heated and due to Andrew's fighting background, Big Brother feared violent repercussions due to this and ejected him from the house.
And it's interesting that he would admit that because he's basically saying they thought I was too violent and dangerous and didn't want me to hurt somebody and get the show in trouble.

So they kicked me off, which I actually think might be possible.

I am going to say Andrew may not be incorrect there, because if I'm Big Brother and I see the way this guy interacts with people and his background, I might be like, we may want to get this motherfucker off the show. He seems like a violent psychopath.
Yeah. I guess.
I don't know. Yeah.
It's also very likely that they just saw that sketchy video and were like, we don't need this. It's not worth the trouble.
Big Brother doesn't need this PR. Right, yeah, either way, before, before he went on the

show, was he already kind of starting to become famous a little bit, or was this kind of like a

jumping off point for bigger fame? I certainly wouldn't call him famous. He was, you know,

a semi-prominent within the UK, semi-prominent, uh, fighting sports star. He'd done a little bit

of MMA too. Um, and he was a semi-prominent and he had like, you know, I think in the

Thank you. fighting sports star.
He'd done a little bit of MMA too. And he was a semi-prominent, he had like, you know, I think in the tens of thousands, maybe even like a couple of hundred thousand followers on Instagram.
So he's not a nobody, but he's not a celebrity, right? Like he's the, he's the level of celebrity that you, you pick to be on a big brother show, right right yeah um now as with so many claims about this guy obviously like uh i'm not going to say that the big brother wiki fandom wiki is a great source but i did read through it and i think it's worth reading to you the biography that the big brother fandom wiki gives for tate because i believe it's it's accurate to the kind of stuff that Tate bragged about in his big brother appearance. I read ahead.
Here's his biography. Andrew is a member of Mensa.
See, that's the same red flag as the Iowa Writers Workshop, which I was fucking right about. Thank you everybody who messaged us.
Yeah, people did. That is a red motherfucking flag.
Folks who are not on the social media should note that people pointed out the Iowa Writers Workshop was apparently started by the CIA, which is very funny in terms of Sophie being right about it being shady. Although I will say Robert Bly does not seem to have taken to the CIA's propaganda line.
That you know about. Because he was deeply anti-war.
But I guess, yeah, I guess we'll see. Whatever, feel about that however you want.
Andrew's a member of Mensa? Let's go back to that person. That is more of a red flag than the CIA writing program.
I'm just gonna say that right now. Oh, God.
Text Jamie about this. Does Jamie know that Andrew Tate was in Mensa? I will text her right now.
Okay. Oh, can't wait to hear her thoughts on that.
I'm going to continue Andrew's bio from the Big Brother wiki. Andrew is a four-time world kickboxing champion.
His brother, who Andrew claims is his only true friend, trades him. What a sad sentence.
Andrew believes that a man should be able to sleep with as many women as he wants, but that does not apply to women. So that's basically what you'd expect from Mr.
Tate, right? Yeah, it sounds like a perfect encapsulation. Yeah.
Andrew Tate. What an incredible guy.
So the year after his big brother failure, Donald Trump, you guys might have heard of this, becomes president of the United States. And suddenly you got fascists in the streets.
You got the alt right suddenly being a term in everybody's lexicon. And you've got this galaxy of right-wing and explicitly fascist media influencers just blowing the fuck up on social media.
Andrew and Tristan saw this happening and they were like, this is how we get huge, right? This is a perfect place for us to just kind of nest like one of those wasps that lays their eggs in your eyes and then burst out. So they decide to be the wasps in, let's say, Alex Jones's eye.
They start to experiment. Social media posts bragging about their luxurious lifestyle had helped.
But that kind of stuff is a dime a dozen. Now, Andrew is unfortunately not a dumb man, and so he observed the success of guys like Mike Cernovich, Alex Jones, Paul Joseph Watson, and he recognized that they were all using variations of the same tactic.
They would post something deliberately inflammatory on social media or on their own shows. They'd have some sort of guests like David Icke talk about lizard people or they would go on this rant or they just do something super racist.
And that would generate outrage. And all of these liberal and centrist and left-wing journalists would cover the horrifying thing that they'd said on social media, which would elevate their profile and give them free advertising.
What platforms are they using at this time? He is using primarily Instagram and he's going to get increasingly big on TikTok. He's one of these, the right-wing influencers who's probably best at TikTok.
He also, though, he puts stuff on YouTube until he gets banned from YouTube. He has like a long kind of video blog podcast and that's kind of where he's starting.
It's it's very it's very interesting the like the the similarities to like steve bannon using yep yeah video game and and just message i was literally just thinking about that yeah yeah yeah and he's this is very conscious right like he's he's he's and this is this is where andrew tate is smart right because intelligence is is not a broad concept it's a narrow thing And he's very intelligent when it comes to how to build a right-wing brand online. He watches what everyone is doing and he takes the stuff that works best.
And he's going to become very good at this.

But you know who's even better at this? The products and services that sponsor this podcast?

They have, you should see their right-wing Instagram page. It is offensive.
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Long, silent voices from his past came forward and he was just staring at me and they had secrets of their own to share. Gilbert King, I'm the son of Jeremy Lynn Scott.
I was no longer just telling the story. I was part of it.
Every time I hear about my dad, it's, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil.
I was becoming the bridge between a killer and the son he'd never known. If the cops and everything would have done their job properly, my dad would have been in jail.
I would have never existed. I never expected to find myself in this place.
Now, I need to tell you how I got here. At the end of the day, I'm literally a son of a killer.
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We are back. Sophie is letting us know that Jamie Loftus, who did a podcast on Mensa, just got the news that Andrew Tate is a Mensite.
I mean, it just really tracks. How'd she respond? All caps.
LOL beautiful beautiful perfect reply happy happy to have supplied her with this information um yeah so andrew starts upping his his appearances on social media he starts integrating himself into this right-wing ecosystem throwing out offensive shit and just kind of using that to build his, to get him invites to be on other people's shows. And I'm going to quote from The Guardian here to talk about his rise to prominence.
In September of 2017, he was criticized by mental health charities for saying depression isn't real. The next month, he waded in on Me Too, saying women should bear some responsibility for being raped, a view he has since repeated and which, among other incidents, led to him being barred from Twitter.
The backlash won Tate work and boosted his profile. He appeared on Infowars, the podcast of conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, was pictured with far-right YouTuber Paul Joseph Watson, and met Donald Trump Jr.
at Trump Tower, posting on Facebook afterwards, the Tate family support Trump fully. MAGA.
Cool.

The trifecta from hell.

You got Alex Pollard. He's done it all.

He's checking all the asshole boxes. Yeah, he's

tic-tac-toed his way through the very

worst people in our society.

Jesus Christ. In 2019,

police were called after Tate showed up at the

house of Mike Stuckberry, a journalist who had

been critical about him online. Days after Yaxley Lennon, that's Tommy Robinson, who he did an episode on, did the same thing.
The incident caused Stuckberry's wife to suffer a panic attack and played a role in them leaving the UK for Germany. So both, that's gross physical intimidation of a guy who's criticized him, but also he's just doing the same thing Tommy Robinson did.
So you can see at this point, he's not a figure in his own right yet. When you are copying Tommy fucking Robinson, you have not yet ascended, right? That is one of the sadder right wing grifters to be following in the footsteps of.
So he's working on it, but he hasn't yet blown his way kind of out of the pack. All of this controversy, all of these appearances on right-wing talk shows and podcasts, did successfully elevate Tate's profile.
And he started funneling his new fans towards his new business, one with a wider appeal than webcam prostitution. He began offering a series of classes to his followers.
Initially, this was sleazy pickup artist shit, classes on how to get women. The market for that is very crowded, though.
Here's how Tate attempted to set himself apart from the pickup artist community, from the promotional material I found for his now-defunct PhD program. Shut the fuck up.
What? Yeah, yeah. It stands for something gross.
I've forgotten. But I'm going to read you the ad copy that he wrote for this fucking thing.
Andrew Tate is world champion kickboxer who owns and operates strip clubs and webcam studios. With over 75 girls working for him, he has created a system that allows you to get girls quickly, easily, and without spending money.
Unlike other pickup artists who have the odd girl here and there, Tate has top quality, that's in caps, women living with him and making him money full time.

This makes him more qualified than any other coach on the internet.

Do you want to learn how to get the odd girl from a pickup artist or learn how to build an army of women who are so loyal to you that they allow you to have as many girls as you want?

More importantly, he has a foolproof system for retaining women, having them do as you say

and respecting you

without taking up

or wasting large amounts

of your time.

As Tate said,

I don't want a 10

unless she does everything I say.

It's obedience and loyalty

that turns me on

more than looks.

Whether you're looking

to get girls,

simply have your girlfriend

obey every command

and be fiercely loyal

or learn how to live

with three or four girlfriends

at once as Tate does, this is the course for you so there you go guys so do we think Hitch was his favorite movie Sophie I don't think you're allowed to make references to Hitch nobody's seen Hitch Ian have you seen Hitch with Will Smith I have seen Hitch it's a I mean you know it's a fun little movie I don't think Hitch is that Smith? I have seen Hitch. It's a I mean, you know, it's a fun little movie.
Is he just allergic to Hitch? I don't think Hitch is that toxic. The allergic reaction, oh, that was you know, bring it back yeah that entire thing was disgusting, Robert thank you for sharing.
Oh yeah it was beautiful. When I found that, I, I did a little chef's kiss like I was cooking up some spaghetti.
It was good. It was good.
Now, a big part of Tate's branding, and this is the same thing. When you're an influencer, right, if you're trying to build like a cultishly loyal following, you have to use cult techniques.
And that means creating words that were not in use before you started using them and or at least repurposing words in ways that other people don't use them and getting your fans to talk that way. And one of the things, you know, Tate Tate note knew this and Tate also he had paid attention to guys.
You know, again, think back to our other cult leaders. We've got guys like Keith Raniere, who was called Vanguard.
We've got L. Ron Hubbard, who was the Commodore.
I forget what Werner Erhard went by, but we just did his episodes. And for Tate, the kind of name that he had his fans call him is Top G.
And you will see this in a shitload of Zoomer TikTok videos. I want to play first a video for you of him talking to his brother about what Top G means.
And this is from the Tate Pill YouTube channel which all of it is. Well that's the only YouTube channel that I visit.
Yeah, Top G and Tate Pill, all those names make me want to cry. It's good stuff Sophie.
Here's the clip. Top G.
Everyone says Top G kids are now wearing t-shirts for Top G on it. I want to be a Top G.
I want to be the Top G. You've basically trademarked it.
So, what do you mean by Top G? Top G is an individual who is capable in all realms, as my father said. Sheer infatigability and unmatched perspicacity made him a feared opponent in all realms of human endeavor.
When you are Top G, you are dangerous at everything. That's why I'm Top G.
If they were were to say to you you have to go on a racetrack and race tate in superpowers you'd be like shit you have to go in the boxing ring and fight tate shit fight tate you have to go debate tate shit you have to go try and get a girl and tate's also trying to get the girl shit it doesn't matter what the competition is as soon as they say my name you're gonna be like my unmatched perspicacity my ability to perceive my sheer indefatigability the fact that i never get tired you add all this together i am a feared opponent in any realm of human endeavor even things i don't yet know how to do you do not want to compete with me in those things that is why i am so my first off it feels like he wasn't as good at chess as he says, because his dad had to kick him out of a contest for crying too much. Just do do keep that in mind as he makes these claims.
Now, I don't believe that Andrew Tate is a competition race car driver because he is has never done that. And also, and by the way, I again, because he makes claims like this, I went to like race car Twitter because he is has never done that and also and by the way i again because he makes claims like this i went to like race car twitter to see what they said about him yeah and they had a bunch of what's the vibe he sucks right he sucks they tell me they had a lot of weird there were a lot of you'll run into people making these weird niche criticisms about his supercars and how they're not the the right kind of super cars to buy what is makes it a fucking supercar? What is with this? You can't just say something super.
It's an expensive car that goes fast. Okay.
And if you're a supercar nerd and disagree, you can go to hell. Because I enjoyed reading and found it enlightening reading the chess and the kickboxing subreddits.
The supercar people are insufferable, even the ones that don't like Andrew Tate. So am not I do love that that's Robert's line yeah that's where he draws a line it's like the supercars just really were too much because they were like well no you want this supercar not that one I would never and I was like you don't like none of you own any of these cars I'm sorry I don't you people I don't believe God, I can just imagine these supercar fuckers like Tinder profiles.
They're so horrible. Their car is there.
You know, the car is in the picture. Yeah, I am.
I simply don't care what you have to say about his supercars. But what I do care about is the fact that as silly as that all is, the top G shit worked.

And as evidence for this, I have just sent another link to the chat. This is a protest in Athens, Greece, where what appears to be visually several thousand adult men and a number of men or boys marching through the streets of Athens.

And I want, Sophie, I want you to just play what they're chanting. Oh, yeah.
This was right after his arrest. Yeah, I know what this is.
I'm sad. Free thump team! Free thump team! Free thump team! Free thump team! And that is like...
It's not a, I'll say this, that's not like a tiny flash mob. There's a lot of fucking dudes in the street.
There's a lot of people. There is a distressing number of men in the street.
There's a distressing number of men in the streets that's in Greece. Yeah, it is not great.
So this works very well. Tate was very successful.
And again, we've already covered the degree to which he's exaggerating and outright lying about his competence, but he's successful at pushing a persona of himself as hyper competent and irresistible to women. As we've already covered, a lot of what he says is objectively untrue.
His kickboxing record was cooked. His businesses are mostly cheap scams or outright criminal enterprises.
We'll get into that more in a second. But it's worth digging into first the reality behind the Andrew Tate method of picking up women.
In the wake of Tate's arrest, a brave 19-year-old Romanian woman named Daria Gusa reached out to BuzzFeed. She told them and provided evidence that in 2020, when she was 16, Andrew Tate slid into her DMs on Instagram with a message that read, Romanian girl, strawberry emoji, which I think is a sex thing, the strawberry emoji.
I don't know. I don't know what you kids use.
There's a strawberry emoji? All right, carry on. On the gram? Yes, Sophie.
Jeez. Get with the kids.
Get with the times. when Tate messaged her her Instagram bio had the name of her fancy private school and she told BuzzFeed

that a number of other girls in her class had been messaged by Tate around the same time in the same way.

So it seems like he was looking for basically just like filtering his responses from girls in this private school who were like 16 and then messaging a bunch of them at once.

Daria did not respond, but her friends, some of her friends did.

And Tate complimented them, telling them how beautiful they were. He bragged about his wealth, and he offered to take them to expensive restaurants.
After a short back and forth, he would every time try to meet up with the girls, be like, hey, we should meet up right now. Where are you? I'll come pick you up.
We can go out and eat. And I'm going to quote from BuzzFeed next.
None of her friends went ahead with meeting with him, she said. And once Tate realized they weren't going to, he started to insult them.
The second that girls stopped replying to him, he starts getting a bit verbally abusive, calling them ugly and stuff like that, just to get the reaction out of them and keep engaging with them, Guza said. And that's, I think, useful to go over because that's normal, shitty on the internet stuff that is there's a billion guys doing that there's nothing special about him he doesn't have some sort of secret he's not irresistible he's just doing the same thing that like there's like there's a whole bunch of Twitter accounts that like semi professionally post like screen grabs of guys sliding into women's DMs all around the world doing that exact thing.
Like there's nothing about his method that is special or rare. He just practices it exclusively on children.
And you know, what he's doing is he's, he's, I'm sure shotgunning out these requests to so many people that statistically just like with like a, you know,

it's just like a numbers game.

Exactly.

It's like one of those like email scams, right? Some number of people are going to like respond.

It'll work on some number of people and that's all he cares about.

Right.

Yeah.

And I do think that's important because when it comes to actual pickup artistry or whatever you want to call it,

Andrew Tate is no different than every other frustrated adult male piece of shit looking to flirt with little kids. Yeah, you're not a special motherfucker.
You're just like every other creep. Yeah, exactly.
He is just like every other creep behind the curtain. Now, none of this, though, is public during the rise of Andrew Tate's social media profile or his main online business, which would become Hustlers University.
That's what he calls this series of classes and training programs that he starts to launch. And it's the kind of thing like he is undeniably good at getting people.
And it's mostly the people who mostly believe this image he's crafted are children, right? They are also children. They're male children.
All of his victims the women that he the girls that he's flirting with are mostly children or extremely young adults and the people without fully formed brains exactly who can't do critical thinking or make like big decisions like fully yet yeah exactly and the people he's trying to get money from are like boys from like i'm gonna say age 12 to 20 and uh yeah And yeah, that's who this shit works on. Now, I found an eight hour class from Hustlers University up on YouTube, which is just part one of his class that he was offering.
Is that what you were watching around the house? I sure did. I sure did.
You can find a lot of these have been uploaded since his arrest and there's like a hundred of them. There's so many hours of this shit.
Were you doing house chores and then blasting this? I'm sweeping. I'm cleaning.
Incredible. I'm standing naked doing planks in my living room floor.
Normal stuff. Not your living room floor.
Oh, yeah. That's the only place I do it.
So, uh, yeah, I felt like I had to watch through these because Tate claims at the start that these do contain his entire understanding of business and how to make money. Um, I figured watching it would give me some insight into the soul of the man himself and boy, howdy did it ever.
Oh God. So we're going to go into that in a little bit but first you know what we're gonna go into oh oh oh is it an ad break isn't an ad break it sure is an ad break it's some products some services the odd product and service we're gonna go into that i'm gonna do my hustle uh before we we we introduce you all to Hustlers University.
Oh, Robert, that was despicable. Yeah, well, welcome to the potty, pal.
We are back. Back again.
Hustlers University starts out pretty boring. He gives his definition of a business, which is a thing that money goes into, right? That's the only thing a business is.

Thanks for explaining that, Andrew, because I had no idea before. Thank you, Andrew.
Well, it's interesting because since a business is only something money goes into, if you are putting money into startup costs, if you're putting money into R&D, if you're paying for things like PR, that is all a waste of time, right? Because that's spending money. A business only takes money in.
Now, you may be saying, well, but you have to spend money to make money. That's like a thing everybody knows about business.
That's just the way that it works, right? Andrew says no. And in order to explain what a fool you are, he gives an example of a good business that he had an idea for.
And this first example of a good business is starting a website to sell makeup online. Now, he says he's adamant that, like, you don't need to have any makeup.
You don't need to have a product. All you do is you make a website selling makeup, and then you wait for a bunch of people to buy the makeup.
And then you figure out where to get makeup with the money that they've spent on makeup that you didn't have before and then you send it to them sounds like that that's that's genius brain level business stuff start start a fraudulent makeup business and then buy makeup once you start getting money um i don't think that that would work uh in part because there a lot of makeup. That's a real company out there that people can buy from.
There's a lot of other options to actually get makeup. So, yeah.
And I'm sure a lot of people have that question. How, how are you supposed to actually get cashflow started without investing, without having something to make people want to buy your makeup.
And Tate has an answer for you. And that answer is child labor.
So I'm going to play a clip from you. And as an aside, during this clip, when you hear him tell someone to wipe down his whiteboard, it's some random cam worker in his home.
It's a young woman who like lives with him that he has doing minor chores in the background. This is the thing that he does in in all of his videos family and friends are actually the best staff you can possibly get now people say don't mix friends with business don't mix family with business can you clean my board sit here and wipe it please don't mix friends with business don't mix friends with business don't mix family the business, That's a lie.
So the reason people say this is because people are dickheads and they can't get along with anyone. They're not, they can't get along with anybody long enough to make any money.
But I guarantee you have family members right this second who could make you money. I guarantee you, you have a 15 year old niece, nephew, cousin, brother, whoever, who knows more about computers than you do.
I guarantee there's a 15-year-old out there with nothing better to do who knows more about Photoshop than you do right now. His stupid ass needs a job.
So you can start a company right now. Yeah, so that seems good, right? That's a solid business idea.
Have young relatives and trick them into working for you. Absolutely genius.
Andrew, you are the finest business mind of our generation. Now, he follows this up with his next incredible piece of corporate advice, which I think might be of interest to some prosecutors in Romania.

And I'm going to have Sophie play that one next.

Don't get legal before you get rich.

This is super important.

We're talking about hustling here.

I'm telling you the hacks to becoming rich.

Do not get legal before you are rich.

You can fix your legal bullshit when you've already made money.

It's the same on the Lord. to becoming rich.
Do not get legal before you are rich. You can fix your legal bullshit when you've already made money.

It's a shame I've deleted my,

or erased my beautiful makeup diagram.

But it's very similar to what we were saying earlier.

I know so many people-

His fucking 99 cent store whiteboard.

Registered for VAT.

Registered with the tax man.

Already have an accountant.

And haven't made any money yet.

I, in most of my companies,

will make a million dollars

Thank you. registered for VAT, registered with the tax man, already have an accountant, and haven't made any money yet.
I, in most of my companies, will make a million dollars before I'll even consider fucking around with a tax form, talking to an accountant, or registering any fucking companies. All that shit is on the later base until you have proved the viability of your company and you have money coming in.
When you're rich and you have money in the bank, then worry about that stuff.

Do not waste your time, energy, and money doing all that legal crap before you know anything about whether your business is going to work or not.

He's telling people to do crime.

That's a crime.

It's business advice.

It's a time sink.

If every time I had to start a company or an idea, I had to go register a company, get an account and do tax forms, do VAT forms. What a waste of time.
I've started maybe a hundred companies in my life. 20 of them made money.
You're telling me 80 times I would have had to fuck around. Don't do that.
I know so many people who have a company legally, but don't have a company in reality because it exists as a legal entity, it does not provide cash a company provides cash if you're a street drug dealer you own a company much more than the guy with all the legal entities which ain't making money do not we're hustlers here it's the hustlers university do not confuse this money in what's the lessons i've been teaching you money in where's the money in pointing at the empty white there's nothing written on it there's nothing oh my god oh yeah so because people this is an audio medium he is like pointing and circling things on an empty whiteboard because he's forgotten that he had one of his cam workers uh everything on it. Obviously, this is terrible advice in part because if you start a business that doesn't make a profit and you did not do any of the legal things you needed to do, there's a good chance that at some point the tax man will come and say, hey, you didn't do all this shit you needed to do.
And we know that, you know, now you owe us a shitload of money, and because your business failed, you owe even more because you broke a bunch of laws. That's one thing that is concerning about the advice that he's giving, although anyone who's going to start companies using the Andrew Tate advice probably deserves to be in trouble with the IRS or whoever, so I'm not going to complain too much about it.
But also, I kind of hope someone in Romania is aware of these videos because I suspect Andrew Tate did not dot the I's or cross the T's necessary to make all of his shady businesses legal in that country. He was operating casinos and strip clubs in the country once he got rich, like actual ones, not just cam ones.
So I kind of think there's a decent chance he will wind up getting extra charges as a result of not legally operating any of his businesses. Fun thing to brag about, Andrew.
So the next point he makes in this video of really just irreplaceable financial advice is use what you've got. And this is where Andrew actually gives us some context on how he started his cam business and why.
But first, we get a little bit more child labor advocacy. I just gave you the example of the 15-year-old cousin who can make websites.
Now you own a website company. Or your 15-year-old cousin who can do, I don't know, fucking who knows what he can do.
He can mow lawns. Every

15 year old can mow lawns. Now you have a lawn mowing business.
Bang. Tell his stupid ass to go deliver some flyers.
Drive him around in your car, play some two pack, chill out in your car, text some bitches, drive at five miles an hour, let him drop off all the leaflets and then let him mow all the lawns. You collect all the money and just pay him a percentage.
Bang. You now own a lawn mowning company.

Congratulations.

Use what you got.

I made... lawns you collect all the money and just pay them a percentage bang you now own a lawn moaning company congratulations use what you got i made a lot of money with webcam girls if you're watching this you don't know that webcam girls you can go to chatterbait.com you see girls on there on webcam getting naked talking to dudes taking money that made me millions and millions of dollars i came up with that idea by sticking to this principle.
Use what you've got. So right now, if you're sitting there...
What are you saying? And I mean everything. Oh, wait.
You have a house. Just wait.
You have a car that's on lease. You have physical strength.
Let's say you're a strong guy. When I was making my list, I was writing everything down.
I was like, well, I've got six girlfriends. Six girlfriends.
So, okay. How can girls make me money? Strip club, but that takes money to set up.
Remember? Costs. Again, nothing on the whiteboard.
I cannot get money in a strip club without a club. So I looked at all the costs for a strip club and realized it's too expensive before I can get money in.
It's too big a risk. Remember? It's too much risk.
I can lose three, four hundred grand. Can't risk that.
How can I get money in? How can I get money in for having hot girls without spending money out? So my first idea was strip club. But I looked at all the costs.
I was like, okay, so why do men spend money on girls in strip club? Because the girls are beautiful. They get to look at the girls, see some titties.
How can I do that without the club? Well, the internet. If I put them on the internet, it's cheap.

This is literally how I thought. I stuck to my business principles.
Okay, it's cheap.

Start looking up. Bam.
Discovered the webcam websites. All right, so I've already got the

girls. I've already got a laptop.
I've already got the internet. Bang.
The day I had the webcam idea,

the same day I was making money. I didn't spend any money, but I was making new money because I refused to allow myself to spend.
Then I started making new money in with the webcam because I knew I had the Internet. I knew I had laptops.
I knew I had girls. Use what you've got.
Look around you. What people do you have? Does your old mother need a new job job maybe she's at home and she's oh my god maybe she'll mail does your old mother do you have cousins nieces nephews do you have a girlfriend who has nothing to do use what you have the most upsetting thing about all of this is like you can see how like this people can fall for this or like the yeah how people can be susceptible to this because obviously he's taking it to a sick disgusting extreme but like at the core of it like that does make sense on some level if you have a bunch of you know old baseball cards or whatever you can start selling them at school and make a little extra money but like he's taking it to such an extreme level of exploitation and illegality that it's like insane but i could see how someone who is maybe not as savvy or is really gullible could be influenced or fall for this kind of stuff and that's what makes people like this so fucking dangerous yeah and what's going on here there's two things going on here right and this is always the case with him it's the, the thing, the brags, the lies he makes about his background.
It's true. He's pretty good at chess.
It's true. His dad was very good at chess.
It's true that he was a decent kickboxer. And then he kind of uses that core of truth and then wraps a bunch of lies around it in order to make this persona.
It is true that a lot of people with small businesses use their families for free labor, right? There's like laws in the United States where kids normally, there's a lot of restrictions on how they can work unless it's like a family owned business, right? If you like own a corner store, you can have your 16 year old work it and they're not subject to all of the restrictions that like 7-Eleven would be if they tried to hire a 16 year old, right? Like there's some differences there. I'm not saying by the way that that's good or bad.
I'm just, that's the way that it works. This is pretty normalized.
What he is saying is like taking that idea and saying, no, no, no. What you should be doing is getting all of these people who are emotionally invested in you and love you and using them as free labor to make yourself rich, right? Exactly.
Like that's, that's the, and, and what he's doing there is he's taking the logic of a multi-level marketing company. All of these, all of these like Avon kind of fucking bullshit companies where they, or, uh, uh, uh, these different like essential oil companies that we've talked about for years on the show where like all, all rely on, hey, your friends need this makeup.
Your friends need these supplements. Your friends need this shitty, low quality leggings.
And you can make a lot of money getting them to sell and getting them in your upline. And, you know, that's one of the things that's ruined like the social Internet.
Facebook has become a place like, people you knew 15 years ago get in touch pretending to be your friend and then try to get you to, like, become a doTERRA representative or some shit.

He's using this logic because he knows that it works.

But instead of the thing that is obviously shady and that people have kind of more defenses built up around, which is, like, hey, try to get your family to, like, buy into into this business. What he's saying is like, no, no, no, get them to work for you, you know? Offer them like a share of profits or something to, which obviously, you know, and he goes into later detail about how you can fuck them over on that.
But he's taking this thing that has been a part of American grift culture for forever and And he's, he's twisting it, um, in a way that is, I, I think kind of, uh, it is, it is new. And this is part of like the thing that he does that's intelligent, but it's also just very transparently, uh, awful and evil.
Yeah. Very predatory towards extremely predatory.
Super. And speakingitative.
And speaking of extremely predatory, I want to dig into the business genius of Andrew Tate here because it is worth going into kind of the inevitable sort of conclusions you have to make based off of what he's saying. In the example that he's given, that 15-year-old kid has no reason to give you the money that he's making mowing lawns, right? Because he's doing all of the work to advertise and to actually mow.
You only get your percentage. He does mention earlier, like one of your assets is being strong.
The only ways to get a percentage from him are either literally just the threat of violence or gaslighting, making him think that he's going to make more money than he is and that you won't be making as much money as you are from his labor. And this is true of the cam girls too.
His only actual advice boils down to various forms of robbery. And this is particularly clear when he starts talking about the profit-making potential of Uber, which is already exploitative.
But Andrew Tate, I'm going to play this next clip to you. This is him talking about how to use Uber in your own business to make money via child labor.
Rent a car. Find a way to rent a car with unlimited mileage per month.
Tell him he's going to do 10 hours of Uber a day to train how to drive. Lie to his ass and say that in the Uber app, you can track and make sure he ain't breaking the speed limits so he drives safe, put his ass on Uber, pay for his gas and give him half the money and keep half for yourself.
Bang. Done.
Set him up. Get him ready.
This is shit. I didn't plan.
I'm just telling you things off the top of my head because this is how I think as a hustler. I don't need to sit and think.
I just know there's money and I find a way to get the money. That's how I am.
So right now, you've got cousins out there who aren't driving Uber. If you can convince them to drive Uber, well, then why don't they do it without you? Easy.
You can talk some shit. Make some shit up.
Hey, have you got an Uber account? No. I'll set it all up for you because it's complicated and there's some tax.
I'll handle the tax. Don't pay no tax.
Just lie. Blah, blah, blah.
Get them an Uber. Get them in cars.
Bang, bang, bang. So he just assumes everyone around him is stupid.
Stupid and trusting. He assumes that like, hey, your cousins probably trust you.
Lie in order to rob them. Like make them work for you for basically nothing and steal the money they make suggested uh making money off of uh women he's sex trafficking old mother was thrown around and literal children yeah those are his business oh don't forget the makeup company that does not sell makeup oh right right right, right, right, right, right.
He is. He is.
Who could forget? The finest capitalistic mind of a generation. Maybe she's born with it.
Maybe it doesn't exist. Maybe it's not actually makeup.
It's so funny that like people talk about how smart this guy is. He's not smart.
He's changed. changed he changed my we'll get into like why people

talk about him changing their lives and all this shit oh i can't wait for that at the end of the day what he's offering here is like hey rob your friends and family it's the same mlm thing but he he has and this is this is i think uh credit seems like a weird way to say it but it is needful to acknowledge this is an innovation, the way in which he is telling people to rob their friends and family in order to try to get rich. And it won't work for them, most of them.
Obviously, I think this is what Tate does. He has his brother work for him and his cousins work for him.
If you are the right kind of psychopath, you can make money this way. It's just that even of the people who are interested in Hustlers University, most of them are not that kind of psychopath.
And so they're not going to be successful or they're just not a smart enough psychopath. Robert, did you say how much people were paying for this class? So these were it changed over time.
At first, it was like a per class thing eventually it's going to change to a monthly fee and and obviously actual sales figures you're never going to get but tate makes like in the millions of dollars off of this um yeah off of the version one and he iterates quickly by 2021 he ditched the like courses and picking up women and running cam businesses to focus on this new venture, like this thing that he does, because this is like the early version of Hustlers University. This is the thing that works really well.
And so he decides being intelligent in a very specific way, he decides he's going to spin this into the main business that he's going to do. And he he opts to to in 2021 relaunch Hustlers University as Hustlers University 2.0.
And we're going to get into that. And it's like, what a wonderful and innovative title.
It's so infuriating because it's like kind of brilliant, like the timing of it. Cause like 2020, 2021, a lot of people are out of work or have more free time at their stuff at home, ready to hustle, make, make some extra cash on the side.
And he's just like preying on that. It's also like timing wise.
Specifically, I want to just emphasize on that. A lot of kids are home alone.
A lot of kids are, are doing remote learning school and have access to whether that be a computer or an iPad or some kind of digital device and are home alone without supervision. And, you know, the algorithms have brought them to Andrew Tate.
And he got them. And he's got them.
And he's offering them. The other thing that's happening here, too, you know, we're talking around this.
They're at home. They're lonely.
Because of lonely also the cost of living is skyrocketing and people especially in the UK, this is less the case in the US, but in the UK where there's a lot of his fans there's like a financial crisis hitting, right? Like things have not been great for the last year to change over in the United Kingdom which is why it's so easy to buy things with British pounds right now. Sorry, y'all.
It just is at the moment. And so Tate is recognizing that, like, there's a lot of young kids who are starting to come into the economy and realizing how hard it is to just tread water.
And so they're desperate for anything that will give them a hope of getting out of the fucking con game that is life under capitalism. And that's what fucking Tate is taking advantage of, is these kids who are looking for a hack to get out of the trap.
And yeah, we're gonna talk about what he does next and how well it fucking works. And, uh, spoilers.

We'll have an appearance from Alex Jones in part four,

the final part of this glorious series.

But first,

Ian,

Sophie,

y'all,

y'all got stuffs to plugs.

Ian,

what do you have to plug anything?

Yeah.

Ian.

Hmm.

I would say,

uh, just, you know, check out Internet Hate Machine.

It's one of the other.

More like Internet Tate Machine.

Sorry, that's not right at all.

That's not what the show is about.

No, it's not.

It's another Cool Zone Media show that I work on.

It's a great show with Bridget Todd.

Really relevant and interesting topic about the hellscape that is social media right now. And I would also just say plug just being kind to others, you know, being a nice, respectful person in this world.
It's life is already hard enough. It's free to not be an asshole.
So I'd say that. Wow.
You say it's free free to not be an asshole but if you consider the fact that by not putting your mom and your child cousins to work you're leaving money on the table it actually can be extremely expensive not to be an asshole you can hear more on my nine hour series robert committing crimes uh using your family members as Patsy's University. Do I get to plug?

Sure. committing crimes, uh, using your family members as Patsy's university.

Um,

do I teach you,

do I get to plug?

Sure.

Okay.

I want to, I want to plug,

uh,

two,

two books that are available for pre-order right now.

Uh,

the first of which is Jamie Loftus's book about hot dogs called raw dog.

Uh,

and it's available for pre-order.

Go to her,

go to her social meds for all that info. And also our very own Margaret Killjoy of Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff, which Ian also edits, has a book available for pre-sale also called Escape from Insell Island.
And I would like to plug those two books, check out both of their social meds to get info on that. Bold and heroic of you, Sophie.
And I want to plug my new business course, Crime Guy University, where I teach you how to take, you got a mom who's out of work, you got some young cousins. Look, you can monetize that shit through the simple, legal, easy method of getting them to sell heroin for you.
You know what really cool about this business though Robert that I get 80% Sophie does get 80% which is why you should listen to Sophie's 16 hour course that's called literally starting a cartel so this is sponsored by our friends at the Sinaloa cartel Sinaloa Sophie Sophie, that's what we call her. Sinaloa Sophie, that's her nickname.
Anyway. We'll be back.
Bye. We'll be back, unfortunately.
Bye. Welcome back to Behind the Bastards, the podcast that I just tried to introduce badly uh and i then completely forgot to start recording um so i'm i'm i'm great uh i'm so good uh do we do we have a guest what's the name of the show what's happening i don't know sophie do we have a guest who who are we what do we do where are we this is behind the bastards you're robert evans i'm great i'm your overlord sophie lichterman and our guest is ian johnson our wonderful hi ian hey sophie johnson incredible editor sophie podcast and fuhrer um is not the first time he's done that.
And it's cringy every time. It won't be the last.
No, it will not. Well, you know, we're talking about Andrew Emery Tate and boy, howdy.
Are we talking about Andrew Emer Marie Tate? We just finished talking about Hustlers University. And we're about to get into Hustlers University 2.0, because Andrew understands branding, if nothing else.
But before we get into that, I wanted to talk a little bit. So obviously, while this is going on, while he's launching this series of online classes and deliberately courting controversy online by saying like fucked up shit about women to go viral.

He's also constantly guesting on every right-wing podcast that will have him. Sure.
And because of the world is the way it is, InfoWars is the first place he's able to, like, really get some traction. And he's going to abandon them as soon as he can, like everybody who gets their start on InfoWars.
Because it's a dead end. You want to escape InfoWars and get on.
He's going to eventually be interviewed by like fucking Pierce Morgan and shit. But at first he's reliant upon them.
And Alex Jones sees the potential in this guy. And decides I want to try and make Andrew a part of my business, which is a thing that Alex does regularly.
And it leads us to this beautiful ad for the supplement line that Alex made branded based on Andrew Tate. So here is an ad for Andrew Tate branded Infowars supplements.
Oh, boy. Oh, this is this is a real treat for everyone.
Oh, boy. To get a job the man to get a job they inflate the currency so nobody can exist any other way because it's too expensive the parents are out working all day the school and the internet and the matrix raise your children your children go to school all day and be told things that you may not want them to learn then they sit on the internet and read things and watch things you may not want them to watch you talk to them for 10 minutes at the the day, they go to bed.
You're fighting with your 10 minutes against endless hours of the most entertaining programming or the most forceful programming. In school, it's forceful.
On the internet, it's entertaining. Convincing them of ideas that you perhaps don't agree with.
I've seen it myself on YouTube. I've seen a guy in America driving his car and his kids were in the back seat and he was arguing with them about an issue.
And they was like, where did you hear that? like why did the school tell you that that's not true and his own children are arguing with him because they learned it in school have you ever tried to take your children out of school you'll get fined you'll get in trouble no your kids have to go to school you have to give your kids away to the school if you don't give your kids away to the brainwashing you'll get in trouble as an all-star fighter businessman motivational speaker there we The switch is incredible. It is.
It is. That was like a punch in the face.
Here we go. This is so flawless.
I thought you changed the video. So did I.
I thought I fucked something up. No.
Just like. Leading us in with like this mix of Christian conservative fear mongering and like divorce dad fear mongering.
Oh my God. It's perfect.
It's perfect. And then we get Alex.
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andrewtatepower.com and discover the power of Andrew Tate's new supplements that are the highest quality on the market. I think there's a whole bunch of men in the world who understands my value.
And if men grow up to be like me're gonna have a whole bunch of people with no criminal record dedicated athletes all right that's probably enough yeah no criminal record huh buddy in that video so first of all the music amazing it's it's flawless absolutely third of all jake paul's face oh yeah yeah like did you see the names of the supplements oh no i didn't oh yeah let's let's go through that that's probably that's that's probably useful it was uh they were like those um names from uh that like other video we watched in the last episode it was like sheer per per i don't even know those words like sheer perdacity or whatever. Perspicacity.
Yeah. Perspicacity.
Those were like the names of the supplements. Yeah.
Cause he's trying to do like a Muhammad Ali thing, right? Like Muhammad Ali would always describe himself in these very fluid, often like rhyming terms, but Muhammad Ali also, uh, could back up every single thing he said about himself, um, which, which Mr. Tate also doesn't matter because it's all about making the image work.
So by 2021, Andrew Tate's image is working very well. He has become one of the most popular accounts on Twitter, on Instagram.
He's got a pretty prominent YouTube. He is huge on TikTok.
You know, we're talking like millions and millions of followers and combined several billion impressions just in like the top G term on TikTok and shit. And so he launches Hustlers University 2.0.
So he had been selling a bunch of different classes. He pairs that down and he focuses just on money-making schemes.
And the gist is this, for about $50 a month, you get the classes for free and you also get let into this Discord community. I'm sorry, for $50 a month, you get the classes for free.
So, but what about the $50 a month? Well, sorry, you don't get the classes for free.

For $50 a month, you get access to the classes and to a series of Discord rooms.

Discord is like a chat service.

You can do voice and text chat.

And basically, what he is selling is, I built this community of people who have gotten rich using my tactics.

And if you pay this monthly fee, then you'll get to hang out with us and they will coach you on how to make money. And you can watch all of our videos on how to make money too.
And he, God damn it. That's like kind of brilliant on two levels.
And I hate him for it. Cause a subscription model is just passive income coming in every month.
If as long as you can maintain that subscriber base. And now he has other people doing the work for him.
He has this other, he's like community of under thing doing the teachings he doesn't even have to do anything actually good at and the the schemes that he's because he has like you get to pick like one of three or four different money-making paths to go down when you join hustlers university it's a little like a video game yeah adventure but and they're all kind of boring basically you can choose to either learn how to day trade, like do stock trading, or learn how to sell cryptocurrency, or learn how to run like a copywriting mill where you're basically paying people pennies to write like terrible, shitty fake books to take advantage of Amazon's algorithm and trick people into paying like $2 for. There's also a lot of Amazon affiliate shit.
A bunch of it involves taking advantage of like the ways that Amazon works. And it's one of those things, if you watch YouTube and you don't have YouTube Red or whatever the fuck YouTube calls their subscription service, which I don't because I'm lazy, you get all these like shady ads for people telling you like, I'm going to teach you how to make a bunch of money off of YouTube or off of Amazon.
Like, did you know that you could get rich, you know, creating Amazon affiliate links or with Audible or whatever? That's all he's doing. But instead of selling it as like this shady video just on how to make money using Amazon, he's giving you access to this community of distinguished men who all smoke cigars and post pictures of how much money they're making.
And because all these other guys, again, it's taking a lot of these MLM tactics where you're surrounding yourselves in this community of other men who are going to be bragging constantly that they're making money. So you feel like if I'm not making money, it's not because this video is bullshit.
It's because I'm not hustling hard enough. I'm not taking advantage of all of the great advice that I've gotten.
It's a pretty clever thing to do. And he doesn't encourage his people like post your sales, post what you're making this month.
And all of that's kind of gamed. And a lot of it's very scammy in the same way that like a lot of MLM stuff is where it's like, yeah, just post your raw sales.
Don't tell people what your net is. Don't tell people how much money you had to put into the business to make it work, all that good stuff.
And Tate, again, is barely present on the actual Hustlers University Discord. But what he does do is when he launches this new version of the service, he spins up his media appearances in like all these different right wing podcasts and Hustler culture podcasts the push the store and he he also alters his branding at this point earlier he'd kind of been indistinguishable from he'd been kind of at the nexus of pickup artist and alt-right political weirdo but he's he increasingly pivots to positioning himself as kind of like a jacked and rich jordan peterson um and i want to play you a video that gives you an example of that.
Let's quickly talk about like the red pill, the day game guys. This is why they're wrong.
And this is what they don't understand. Listen to me and I'll teach you how to get girls on Tinder.
And I'll teach you how to go out and get girls at the mall all day. If you are walking around the mall all day or you're tendering all day, you are giving out attention.
you're giving out more than you'll ever get back because you're a man. You're giving attention out and you don't get enough back.
So that's an energy deficit and it zaps you of your powers. Before you know it, you're going to end up one of them little red pill dorks sitting there.
Let me the manosphere. I'm an alpha.
Bro, you're five foot seven. You're not fucking alpha.
How are you an alpha if you're like 5'8"? Alpha of what?

Walk into a fucking room of basketball players,

multi-millionaire, 6'5".

Big shit.

And talk about how alpha you are.

Because of your YouTube channel.

Fucking these guys are living a dream.

Alpha has always, for the longest period of human time,

meant capability for violence.

That's what alpha has always meant. Apex predator.
A little short dude. All right, of course you are.
Let's meet and let's not even talk. Let's meet and let's just measure our heights.
Let's just take a picture side by side of me and you. And let's talk about how Alpha you are afterwards.
So, they're giving out energy. They don't get energy back.
The correct way to get pussy like I have is to absorb the energy from everyone in the room and then expel it in a fireball, a lightning strike of power and prowess so that all the bitches want to fuck you and they pray you come and say hello. That's how you get bitches.

You don't go and beg them and give energy away.

No. You steal the energy from

every other male and then you

expel it in a ball of fucking lightning.

What's happening behind

him?

Sounds like he's been watching a lot of Dragon Balls.

Yeah, yeah. Like, what the hell is he talking about?

What is happening behind him?

Someone's cleaning his house. But why is she so close to him? Because he likes to show you that.
Like, that's a big part of his. He does this in all of his, like, a lot of his videos.
He'll make sure that, like, his cleaning lady or one of his cam girls is, like, doing a task behind him to, like, make the point that he's got all these women working for him, right? Like, that's a huge part of the tate myth um but what he's doing here in this video is interesting to me he's he's deliberately he's he's he's positioning himself as the opposite of both these whiny men's rights activist guys and of the standard pickup artist crew and he's all this talk about height this talk about alphas he is playing to inc like, he knows that very young men, mostly in their late teens who are like angry about the fact that girls don't like them and angry about the fact that like they're there, they don't have all of the money and success. They think that they're owed that like, that's his, that's his business, right? That's his fucking bread and butter.
Why is he, why is he choosing all the short people? He's not. He's not.
This is actually a two-part con. And what he's doing here is he's getting them.
So I was going to say it's like kind of sounds like he's like dunking on exactly who he like is targeting. But I think it's probably like a little reverse psychology thing.
He is doing, yeah, some negging and stuff, right, to get these guys riled up up. But he's also so if you remember back, I don't know if any of you read Elliot Rogers manifesto.
Elliot Rogers being the first incel mass shooter. He talks a lot and he like the entire incel community was formed initially as a reaction to pickup artistry.
Right. All of these guys who feel like there's something inherently wrong with their bodies that makes it impossible for them to pick up women in an unfair way or that feminism has ruined it.
Roger was obsessed that because he wasn't like tall enough or white enough, right, that he was never going to get a girl. They initially, when they were like younger, fell into pickup artistry.
And when that didn't work, because none of it works very well, they became violent psychopaths. Like they became violent, right? Like they just they decided like, not only was the like pickup artistry a con, but all of society deserved to pay for the fact that they got conned by pickup artists.
Andrew recognizes this. And so the first thing he's doing is he is going after the pickup artists, right? And he's going after it in a way that's going to get all these incel dudes like agitated, but is also going to play to the fact that they realize they're being conned by these people.
And I think that's an interesting choice. And the other thing that he's doing, he starts by talking about how like,'re not alpha if you're not tall enough.
Right. But he's also framing it as like these pickup artists aren't real alphas because they're not they're not big.
And it sounds at first like he's kind of going into this. It's hopeless.
If you're not tall, you'll never get a woman. That's actually not the claim that he's making.
I'm going to play you another clip that's kind of an extension of his message that shows how he's talking to these incel folks after he gets through with the kind of slamming the pickup artist crew. And the message that he has for the actual people being taken advantage of by the pickup artist community is kind of liberatory in a weird way.
Now, I have genetic gifts. I understand you do not have.
But I've also worked on my genetic gifts. I didn't just have them.
You know, I worked. But even if you did the work I did, you'd still be taught 1%, even without the genetics, because you have no idea how hard I've worked.
But the point is, if I teach you how to absorb energy from everyone else around you, then you instantly become the most powerful person in the room. So it's not only so much about being big and being strong

and having a Lambo.

It's about absorbing energy and attention.

So you people do not understand.

And 99% of the things people teach you,

they teach you how to expel energy.

You can expel and lose huge amounts of energy

chasing bitches and trying to make money.

You don't get enough back.

Whereas if you can flip the script, then the whole world changes. This is what you need to understand.
So that right there. He's insufferable.
Is it? But that's, this is worth really drilling into and paying attention to because this is an extremely appealing message to the kind of young men who are like on the edge of where Elliot Roger was, right? These children and there's these guys, they're starting out in the world, mostly we're talking young white teenagers, though not exclusively, but like men. And it's hard out there.
Obviously, it is still easier to be a man or a white man than it is to be basically anything else. But it's not as much easier as it used to, right? And some of that's because things are less unfair than they used to be in some regards.
And some of it's just because the economy's gotten worse, the world has gotten harder, a number of things. A lot of shit's gotten uglier.
Capitalism has kind of gotten more undeniably brutal even to the chunk of people who were initially being lifted up by it. And so these kids get out there and shit's not as easy.
They're not getting handed the things that they're supposed to get handed. And a lot of them turn nihilistic.
And the radical right has always targeted men in this age group and socioeconomic group. And these are, again, young people who recognize and some of what they're recognizing, like with Robert Bly's folks, is fair.
There's a degree, a lot of atomization in our society. It is not encouraged for men to have like intimate friendships with other men.
It's deeply lonely. It's deeply competitive in a way that's really vicious.
And these people are suffering and the right always has made a lot of their early recruitments by kind of coming in and finding these men trying to make sense of their suffering and offering them an answer.

But while the kind of incel youth culture that has been deeply influential online is super nihilistic, Tate is reaching out to these people and he's preaching to these awkward nerdy kids with social anxiety. But he's offering them a sense of hope where he's like, yeah, you're not going to be like me because you're not 6'3 if you're like 5'7.
But if you put in the work I've put in, you can still be in that top 1%, right? It's about taking and absorbing energy. And I have these tactics.
Your genetics are not the only thing that matters, right? You can actually overcome that with enough work and find a way to make money and get, you know, women, right? Like that is actually the pitch that he's making. And for the people who are kind of adjacent to these incel communities, that's a more optimistic pitch than they've been getting from a lot of people.
Again, if you spend a lot of time on some of these incel boards, it's dudes obsessing with like, oh, because of the, my chin is only this wide and not this wide. So it's physically impossible for a woman to love me.
Or like, I have this like epicanthic eye fold or whatever, or like my, my nose is this size. And so I will never have sex.
And like, this is a biological reality. And what Tate's actually saying is the people telling you this are full of shit, but also like, I have a tactic for how you can.
And it just involves hard work. It doesn't matter that you don't have these genetic gifts.
You actually can overcome that. And this is when you start talking about Tate on any kind of open forum, right? You're going to get people coming in and saying some version of, he's the only reason I'm alive.
He kept me from killing myself. Or like, I think he's, he's talking to, and this is because as toxic as he is finding Andrew Tate, if you are one of these young men who might've gone Elliot Roger might be better for you than like fight falling down the rabbit hole, you would have fallen down before him.
That's not necessarily an inaccurate statement. Right.
He tricks them into having hope. Yeah, exactly.
And again, the point I'm making here, I am not saying that he is a net good. He's absolutely not.
But when people who are specifically look like we're kind of in danger of falling into this incel rabbit hole, if they find Tate, that might be better for them than the road they would have gone down. Now, that's a small subset of the folks who are actually encountering his stuff.
But when people make that point, it's not there. There's not nothing there.
And it's not because Tate cares about saving kids. It's because this is how to get money from them, right? Exactly.
And it just speaks to, again, how exploitative the whole thing is because you're going after these people who are already very clearly vulnerable and at a low point. And you're just preying on that and taking advantage of it.
And it's just like – Yeah. It's just disgusting.
It's all disgusting. But I also think it's really worth understanding the degree to which he understands the online ecosystem he's feeding in, right? Right, and that's why it's so effective.
He's basically telling them that, you know, their greatest insecurities don't matter as long as they're, you know, they try to be like him and be a big, tough man. Yeah, be a top G, yeah.
Be an over-do. One of his big lines is, you don't have to be handsome if you're scary, which by which he means that like ugly dudes can get women if they're jacked, which is again, that's very bad.
Although you could argue it's better than you should drive a car into a crowd because you'll never find love. Right.
So this is why people make that argument. It's not, it doesn't mean that he's a net force for good because spoiler, he is not.

He's a terrible person and his overall impact is a ton of harm. But on this specific community, there is an argument to be made.
And that's where that argument comes from, right? um yeah and again the idea that like he shouldn't be deplatformed because he's gonna save all these

incels is nonsense um it's just not coming out of nowhere, right? Because that is where his money comes from, right? That's the group of people he's decided to take advantage of. And I do think in the long run, he might wind up having just as much of a negative effect on these kids as the pickup artists had on Elliot Rodger.
It just hasn't been going on that long because eventually they're going to see none of what he says works, right? Like in the long run, it's not going to work. It's just in the short term, less nihilistic than drive your car into a crowd.
Although it might still end in the same place. But you know who won't tell kids to, oh boy, Sophie, just roll the ads.
Ah, we are back. So Tate is kind of, while a lot of his pitch is laser targeted at young men going down that specific incel rabbit hole, once he kind of captures that demographic, again, he's an innovator.
he starts to broaden his appeal as fast as he can because he wants to reach as many vulnerable young men as he possibly can. And he is a cognizant person of the time that he's in.
He recognizes there's a lot of movement and there's a lot of cultural momentum behind certain left-wing ideas, including criticisms of capitalism. I actually think people don't recognize enough how superficially critical of capitalism Andrew Tate is and how much of his appeal comes from that.
And to kind of exhibit that, I want to play a clip from him on the Fresh and Fit podcast, which he is sitting in between like seven or eight women who look like they're all instagram kind of done up in influencer type people yeah that's bullshit that's slave mind garbage feminist racist garbage crap that's been put in your brain that you need to resist absolutely nothing to do with eurocentrism it's bullshit it's garbage thanks you need to resist that kind of shit i'm you, the problems with the world today are very, very specific. And I state this without patronizing you.
I don't want to patronize you. I'm an old man.
I've been around the block. The problems in the world today exist because the people who are in charge of the world have done a very, very clever thing.
They've specifically designed the world in which way that the people at the bottom, because we're all at the bottom, even bottom even me with all my millions right the people at the bottom are so busy fighting with each other that we never look up and realize we're getting fucked yeah the reason and the reason they do that the blacks hate the whites republicans hate the democrats the men hate the women eurocentric he said this you don't have pay gap blah blah blah it's all slave mind shit to keep us all fighting amongst each other do you think when a billionaire who's black meets a billionaire who's white they talk about race no no you think a white you think a female billionaire a male billionaire meet they start talking about eurocentricism feminist fucking garbage no no stop buying into that shit it's a fucking trick and it's a fucking lie all of it throw it away throw it the fuck away if you want to be attractive as a female, you know what you need to do You need to go to the fucking gym and just and just because my wrong said it just because my wrong said it You need to be smart enough You need to be smart enough to not let yourself get triggered by the fact that he just said something you're not used to hearing That's all it is all it is I hate every second of that.

It is miserable. That's all it is.
That's all it is. Of course.
Criticizing the material. I hated every second of that.

It is miserable.

But he's, again, that is a superficial kind of class analysis, right?

Where he's talking about billionaires all have solidarity with each other.

We're all poor.

And again, he's lying about this.

He is a multimillionaire, possibly multi-hundreds of millions of dollars. But you see what he's doing.
He recognizes everyone hates these billionaires. Everyone, you cannot ignore inequality and the role that it has on like, why all these young men who are vulnerable to my message are suffering.
So I have to fucking play to that, right? And again, he's offering this kind of,

he starts with this thing that has elements

of left-wing analysis to it,

elements of like, you know, capitalism is a con game.

The rich are a class and they have solidarity with each other

and they're trying to keep you guys fighting

so that you don't organize against them.

There's pieces of left-wing analysis there. But then Tate's solution is not dismantle the system.
It's not go after these guys. It's treat it like a trap.
You escape by getting rich and jacked, right? That's the way to, that's the, it's the same. Again, look back to Robert Bly where he's, he's very accurately stating here are some fucked up things capitalism is doing to men.
Here are ways in which capitalism and the patriarchy is harming men. The solution is for men to like go out into the woods and play drums and learn how to hunt and stuff.
Not the solution is for men and women to organize, to make a more just society that doesn't harm us in these ways. Tate's doing a version of the same thing.

Like Bly, he's diagnosing parts of the problem,

and then the thing he's selling you is,

here's how you personally can get out of it

by doing this thing that feeds money to me, right?

He's insufferable.

He's insufferable, but it works.

Yeah.

And obviously, other people are pushing pieces of this message on young folks. But his presentation is the most polished.
He is a good speaker. And I don't mean that in the you should like the way he speaks.
I mean it in he's effective at speaking and getting his message across. He's always the most obnoxious in the room.
He's the loudest in the room. He makes sure of that.
He does. And if you watch him with these young men, like these other male influencers on their podcasts, he's so good at sucking energy from them.
Like he actually does know how to do that. He's very good at not even talking over them, but at making the focus of the conversation, whatever he wants it to be and making himself the person that people are focusing on.
That's the thing he knows how to do. And it's it's it's it's yeah.
And I think probably the smartest thing he's done in this whole process is co-opt the Matrix movies in his messaging. And that sounds very silly.
The thing that Tate does is he basically, he positions the Matrix is the normal world where you like work for some company 40 or whatever hours a week just to scrape by. And if you're lucky, maybe buy a house someday.
And the thing that Andrew tells people is that like, this is what you have to break out of, right?

Not that like you have to make a more equitable system, but you have to escape the matrix like Neo does.

And it's just about freeing yourself.

Yeah, screw everybody else.

It's just about getting yourself out. Yeah, and once he gets kids to accept that idea, the thing he tells them that they need to drop out of school and spend the money they would spend on college on Hustlers University.
That is a massive part of his pitch. And again, it's not hard to see why this stuff is appealing to a lot of young kids.
It's married to some of the worst misogyny imaginable too, though. He tells young men that they should not learn how to cook.
That's a waste of time. They should find a woman to cook for them.
They should focus on making money. Women shouldn't be allowed to leave the house.
They shouldn't have friends of their own. This is all stuff that Tate preaches, too, alongside the stuff that's less fucked up.
In Tate's ideology, women being able to have their own careers and lives is also part of the matrix, right? He starts from this reasonable position, capitalism is kind of a con job, And then he pivots to telling kids that the real con is anything that limits the ability of young men to do whatever they want in any way. And I want to play you now a video that he made to advertise Hustlers University 2.0.
Because it's, it's something else. You cannot stop.
You cannot give up. You're in the most fantastic place on the planet for making money, Hustlers University, and the only person who can ruin that is you.
Most of you are happy to be losers part-time. You want to escape.
That's why you joined. You don't want to be a loser anymore, but then that new video game comes out.
I'll just play the video game. I'll just be a loser for two more weeks.
Then I'll get back to trying to escape the matrix. It doesn't work that way because you jump in and out of complacency from I'm happy to be a loser and do loser things to I can't be a loser anymore.
When you jump in and out, you never get momentum. You cannot quit.
You cannot give up. You need that momentum to break free.
When a rocket is flying out towards the moon to escape the atmosphere, it doesn't fucking pause halfway up the sky, does it? No, it keeps going. Every single second you're not in Hustlers University, there are things happening, conversations happening that you're not watching, information.
That could be the one little piece of information you need to break out. It could be that one little sentence that changes everything.
You're in Hustlers University and you're going to make money, but it ain't easy. It ain't going to be given to you on a plate.
You're going to have to work work you're in competition with the entire world everyone wants to escape you cannot be lazy okay that's probably enough the filming on this is so weird it like he jumps back and forth between his cars he's like clearly holding an empty mug to look powerful i think filmed in a way that like is meant so that they can cut it up for for tiktok more easily um you see this with like the liver king too a lot of these guys will their longer youtube videos will have kind of a weird vibe because they're mainly filming it to cut it up for tiktok um but you see here he's like there's this fear of missing out you're not doing enough you've got to break like free you're in competition with everybody else um and it And it's interesting because when he's talking this stuff, it's extremely modern and it's almost apolitical, right? Like, there was not a thing in that that is, like, you could super define as, like, a particularly political rant. Tate is a very political guy.
And when he gets into his opinions about, like, women shouldn't be allowed to leave the house, you realize he's actually kind of like a traditionalist religious fundamentalist, which we will be building towards. But he's smart enough that he doesn't get stuck in the traps that a lot of religious fundamentalists fall into trying to reach out to young men.
He doesn't start with any of that. It's stuff that kind of comes out later in some of his other rants.
and he gets this there will be moments where you can he will make these arguments about stuff like

misogyny stuff that kind of comes out later in some of his other rants. And he gets this, there will be moments where you can, he will make these arguments about stuff like military service that actually wouldn't seem out of place if you're listening to some like left-wing bread tuber going on a rant.
I want to play you this clip here because again, it shows how much he's kind of separated himself from the traditional right-wing grift sphere, at least the traditional conservative grift sphere think i think you're a fool gonna go die for what biden i'm trying to protect american freedom yeah you're gonna protect the freedom of those people in nebraska by going over to yemen and bombing some 13 year old farmers great job stupid you ain't protecting nothing but profits for companies that don't care about you should only protect yourself and your boys i fought for myself became a world champion got some money you never get any money get your leg blown off walk around one leg mr limpy mr limpy g for what for biden doesn't care about you don't be stupid don't be dumb limp your ass out of my chair i'm joining see that's uh that again that's first of all you should only protect your boys made me audibly vomit. That's how we work here at Cool Zone.
No. No.
But just like him going like firm anti-military and anti-Biden, like you're clearly, you clearly know your audience yeah it's these it's these kids who grew up right after because like i mean ian and and sophie and i we all grew up kind of right in the wake of 9-11 and all of that like where the military was this like sacred uncriticizable thing in mainstream american culture that era is past and it's i mean And obviously in the UK, it was always a bit different, but like that era is well past.

And... thing in mainstream American culture.
That era is past. And it's I mean, obviously, in the UK, it was always a bit different.
But like that era is well past. And you actually you can get I mean, Trump did versions of this, right? When he would talk about how you're like a loser, if you get injured for your country, it would always all these Democrats who are stuck in like 2006 would always get like, this has to be the end for him.
Look, he he said told people that like injured veterans are chumps. And it's like, no, it doesn't matter.
People are perfectly willing to say that they are chumps because modern conservatism, the modern right, is so purely focused on the grift and on personally sucking as much money out as you can from people around you that it doesn't matter. Tate realizes that.
no need to be ashamed of this thing and it can draw in folks who are like open to listening to these kind of left-wing arguments he starts to make one there where he's like all you're doing joining the military is murdering kids in yemen you can find versions of that and like marxist like influence and influencer youtube rants and i would be so curious to know like the specific things that he uh watched and read where he like what like what what specifically he learned like yeah yeah i mean it's it's yeah exactly i i think he spends a lot of time and he says he spends all of his time online like he's working all the time. I think a lot of I think a lot of it is he's paying attention to what's going viral where and he's not just paying attention to what goes viral on the right.
And one of the things that happened when he got arrested is you had all of these left wing weirdos online guys like Vosh is the one that I remember most specifically being like, well, you know, Andrew Tate's bad, but the left needs someone like him who can speak to young men in this way. And it's like, well, all he's doing is he's he's using these he's using his bait little pieces of left wing social analysis and class analysis in order to get people on the hook.
and then he's trying to sell them on turning their 15-year-old cousins into Uber drivers. Like, that is all that is here.
There's no need to replicate this. He's not actually offering people anything.
He's just the thing that he's promising them, rather than, like, the grinding act of trying to reform the world in a more just way, he's promising them you can get a Lamborghini. Well, yes, that's always going to be a better pitch to a lot of people than if we all work hard and fight like hell, we can make the world more just.
But you can't, there's no like, there's no replicating what Tate's doing because the only thing he's promising is a chance at like winning the lottery basically, right? That's not actually a thing you should shoot for. That's my opinion here.
So all of the videos that I've been playing for you, nearly all of them, come from fans who will compile clips of his various interviews and podcast appearances and put them up on social media. Since Tate has been banned from most platforms, this is the only way his content gets out.
But more than that, it's part of a cohesive media strategy that's how he became famous in the first place. Tate built his empire knowing that this would happen.
And I'm going to quote from The Guardian here. Since January, repackaged videos from interviews with Tate over the years have been attracting millions of views on TikTok.
But in recent weeks, this growth has accelerated. In August so far alone, clips tagged with his name have been watched more than a billion times.
The posts do not come from Tate himself, who does not appear to be active on the platform, but from hundreds of accounts, often using his name and photo, run by his followers, members of Hustlers University. Members, including boys as young as 13, are told they can earn up to $10,000 a month through lessons on crypto investing, dropshipping, and by recruiting others to Hustlers University, earning a 48% commission for each person they refer.
To have the best chance of getting people to sign up, they are advised to stoke controversy to improve their chances of going viral. In One Guide, Hustlers University students are told that attracting comments and controversy is the key to success.
What you ideally want is a mix of 60, 70% fans and 40 to 30% haters. You want arguments.
You want war. And this is the thing he did that's brilliant.
Mid-2022, there was this thing where all of these left-wing influencers and liberal influencers and media people found out about Andrew Tate, And for weeks, you could not miss him. He was everywhere.
All of these mainstream media people, like Piers Morgan interviewed him. There were a couple of others.
Someone at CNN talked to him, I think. There were all these.
And all of them were condemning him. All of them were attacking him.
A lot of them were making fun of him and trying to show him as a loser. All it did was make him millions of dollars.
This is why when people were celebrating like Greta dunking on him, I was like, guys, this is how he got rich. Thankfully, he happened to get arrested after that.
But like, this is how he got rich. The only reason that we're doing these episodes now is number one, I think the strategy, the whole sweep of it is important.
I wasn't willing to do something like this until I thought there was a good chance he's not getting out of fucking prison. I mean, we'll see.
He might still come back to it. But I figured it was worth doing at this point.
I think it's interesting that like his reach where he was going on literally CNN, but also was doing like he did like an interview on a fit and trim podcast. but also like he did an entire interview on this like tick tock teen teen show with Barstool Sports BFFs.
Yes.

Yeah.

We'll have a clip from that in a sec.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Where it's like where it's like.

Yeah.

And that's the thing.

Like he's everywhere.

Like his range is unbelievable.

He doesn't have a tick tock and he's like the number one guy on TikTok or was for quite a while.

And that's that's there's brilliance in that.

He this was conscious.

He didn't luck into this.

This didn't happen by accident.

He he realized once he gets 100,000 or so people, he's like, if you've got 100,000 people in your Discord thing following you and you can get them all posting, you can get 50,000, 60,000 people a day posting clip mashups of your interviews, some of that's going to go viral. It's going to be – and it's going to go fucking – and the algorithm will help carry you.
And again, he – part of this, he didn't come up – like this is in part based on the fact that he pays attention to what's been happening.

So we notice Alex Jones has guys like Kanye on because he knows that they're going to do provocative racist shit that the media will cover, and that will get his name trending even though he's not on social media. He observes this, and then he goes more proactively after it, right? what Tate's done is he's taken the logic

and the sense of personal investment

that you get in a pyramid scheme or an MLM

and he's given his followers a vested financial interest in getting his content trending around the world. And this worked incredibly well.
The sudden rush of attention Tate's stuff got in 21 and 2022 drove tens of thousands of mostly very young men to Hustlers University and The War Room, which is his even more exclusive Discord that costs $5,000 a month or $5,000 total to join. Now, both platforms have strict requirements for their membership.
If you pay five grand to join The War Room, you're warned ahead of time that you could be banned for any reason, costing you five grand if you displease Andrew Tate. So you're going to be invested in keeping him happy.
Meanwhile, one of the things you're told, if you join Hustlers University, he tells you if you don't pay every month for this, it means you're not committed enough to succeed and are definitely going to fail in life. I can remember him doing like a call-in show where like one guy's like, yeah, I think I need to take a month off from membership to buy my mom a birthday gift.
And he's like, well, if you weren't a failure, you would have made that money already using the skills you'd learned here. And what they do, if you miss a month of payments on Hustlers University- Oh, you're out, baby.
100%. No, you're not.
You're not. You're not.
You are siloed off to a separate Discord where the only thing posted in there is screen grabs of the other members' profits. Oh, my God.
Yeah, exactly. They want you to come back.
They want you to find a way to get the money to start paying again. Yeah.
And I'm going to continue with a quote from that Guardian investigation. We conducted an anonymous experiment with a blank account set up for a teenage boy and were quickly shown content of Tate.
After watching two of his videos, we were recommended more, including clips of him expressing misogynistic views. The next time the account was opened, the first four posts were of Tate, from four different accounts.
In one video, posted from an account with Tate's name and face, he describes matter-of-factly how he expects his girlfriends to behave. I inflict, I expect, absolute loyalty from my woman, he says.
I ain't having my chicks talking to other dudes, liking other dudes. My chicks don't go to the club without me.
They are at home. This tactic has worked extremely well.
And the way that social media functions has ensured that all the hate Tate receives does nothing but make his brand stronger. In mid-2021, basically every liberal and lefty, yeah, I already talked about this, but yeah.
After he gets kicked off of social media, subscriptions to Hustlers University only increase. Screenshots posted online showed that Hustlers University 2.0 had about 12,000 subscribers in March of 2022, when kind of everybody started attacking Andrew Tate.
By July, it had 77,000 subscribers, and at the start of August, there were 129,000 followers. By the end of August,

he starts to get even more media attention. And his affiliate program that incentivized

subscribers gets discontinued, which costs him a bunch of people. So like near the end of that

month, he goes down by like 25,000 or so. But that's a temporary loss because by September,

he's back up to 160,000 subscribers. In October, BuzzFeed observed more than 221,000 users in his Discord server, which is Hustlers University 2.0.
Since all of those people were paying $49.99 a month, that means he was making $11 million in October alone just from his Discord. Holy shit's crazy yeah and yeah and you know he's not paying taxes on it he's already told you you shouldn't pay taxes on your shit break the law right now i i think it's important to see the way a lot of young men react to and imitate Tate, because it can be easy to dismiss him as just another weirdo right wing guy online if you don't see that.
So I'm going to play you a clip. This is of some kid.
I think they're 18. This is their TikTok.
Watch this. Pay attention to his mannerisms.
You've all seen enough Andrew Tate now to recognize Tate. People think that it's so hard to break the matrix.
And I'm here to tell you it's not. Like, I made my first million dollars last year.
And in the past 12 months, I was able to turn that $1 million into 5.6 million. At 18 years old, by the way.
And I'll tell you this right now. I didn't do this by listening to no brokey teacher saying, Steady, steady, steady, steady for your degree.
Fuck your degree. It is not hard to create your dream life.
Like, once you make that first 100K, you are out. And if you follow the steps that I give you and actually take action, and make that first 100K and not blow it all on a fucking penthouse or a Lambo, you will be out.
So stop waiting and join us. People think that it's so hard.
Wow. Yeah.
That's like literally like verbatim, like clone. Yeah.
Right down to like the facial expressions and stuff. And even like he's doing kind of a weird like semi-British accent thing in there or something.
I don't know. Maybe the kid is British.
But like everything. And he's doing like the term Brokey is one that evolved within the Tate community.
Exactly. The like all of it yeah that's like the thing by the way brokey is like that's what they tell you tate people tell you like call your teachers that tell you like the adults around you who tell you not to obsess with andrew tate style hustlers brokeys because they're not multi-millionaires so they're losers if you argue with these people online the question they're told to ask you is what color is your Bugatti?

By the way, the color of Andrew Tate's Bugatti now is he doesn't have one because it's been confiscated by the Romanian government.

But this again, you see why this is like, I mean, just for a little bit of like personal context, when I was 19 to 18, 19, like I started working and it sucks like working for minimum wage and trying to afford an apartment was a lot easier 15, 16 years ago when I was doing it, but like it's still sucked ass. And the thing that I wanted more than anything was to like figure out some job that would let me work from home doing something that wasn't miserable, which is like how I started my career in like tech journalism and shit.
And like, that was my, my sole motivation was to not have to spend 40 to 60 hours a week being miserable in an office in like for someone else's profit. I didn't want to have to do that.
And like, I get how powerful a motivator that is. And there's, again, this kid that we just saw, like part of what he's saying is like these teachers who tell you to study for your degree, that's not going to help you.
And for a lot of people, he's right. I know a shitload of people who got a fucking college degree and it did nothing but lock them into debt.
There's a reason why kids are vulnerable to this shit. And it's because doing things the quote unquote right way is often deeply unpleasant.
It's just that all Andrew Tate's going to get you to do is give him money. He's not going to teach you how to escape this system because you can't escape it.
Like even if you think that you've escaped it because you've gotten a decent job, you're still latched to it one way or the other. Like it is still dragging behind you, which is why we need to kill it with a spear.
But anyway, that's, that's the ads. Time for some ads.
Ah, good stuff. So.
I'm like, stuff not sure uh are you gonna ask how we're feeling uh yeah how are you feeling how's everybody doing everybody happy sad and concerned for i'm hearing happy i'm hearing happy um that's good tell us more so in the weeks before his arrest, Andrew was trending in what is a legitimately fascinating direction. He announced at the start of December of 2022 that he had converted to Islam.
Now, there is a whole video. There's a number of them.
But I watched a whole video with him and some like weirdo Muslim scholar. I don't know that this guy is a good.
It's unlike the One Islam Network, which has 1.74 million subscribers. This video has 1.6 million views.
The guy is Mohammed Hijab. I don't think he's a good person.
And I'm certainly not saying that he actually knows or actually is an expert on Islam. I don't know.
I'm not certainly either. But boy, this video is gross as shit.
So Tate starts by saying that he had converted to Islam because he decided it was the only real religion, right? All of the other religions have been cucked by the matrix and are fake. And he claimed he used to be an atheist, but then he saw evil and that that convinced him of the existence of God.
And then we get to my favorite part, which is the only thing that's entertaining in this video and not deeply depressing. Longest time.
You know, I've never been to like a music concert and people ask me why. I just look at it and I feel embarrassed.
I look at someone up on a stage dancing around and I look at hundreds of thousands of peasants in the crowd. Just yeah, I'm like it's embarrassing I feel cringe it's like secondhand embarrassment when I see these festivals and everyone's losing their mind or these music concerts I genuinely feel embarrassed for the people who go because to me that is a form of worship like yeah you can listen to the music at home for free you don't have to wait in that line and stand out in the cold I don.
Perhaps it was a bit extreme, but I've always known that they're trying to give us false idols to some degree. And when I speak to atheists, atheists say, oh, I don't believe in God, but they've signed up so hard to the liberal woke agenda.
They're as religious as anybody, but they're just believing in the wrong things. So I think that's interesting because what clearly has happened here is that Andrew Tate is a deeply malignant narcissist.
And if you go to a concert, part of like what people get out of a concert is losing themselves in a piece of another person's creation. And that would mean that the focus is not on Andrew Tate.
And he simply not only can he not enjoy it, but it makes him sick to see other people be a focus of attention. Like live music is one of the greatest things we have.
It's the single best thing that our species has created. Like, but Andrew, not Andrew Tate.
Andrew Tate's like, ooh, too much joy. I do think it's funny.
It's like, but if people are looking at Dua Lipa that means no one's listening to me no one's paying attention to Andrew Tate

yes

also there's definitely videos of him at concerts

but at least at rave type things

that's beautiful

it's very funny

it's also worth noting that Andrew Tate and Jeff Bezos

are buddies in baldness and not understanding

the gift of song

so that's fun

it's neat that they have that in common

they also both like to wear really tight pants, which is, they also both like to wear really tight pants. That is correct.
Although I, I gotta say this, Jeff Bezos gave up half of his fortune in the divorce. And I don't think that Andrew Tate would have done that.
So 100% now. Yeah.
Definitely not. So anyway, Tate was arrested right before the end of 2022 alongside his brother Tristan and two Romanian women, one of whom was a former Romanian police officer.
Some of the articles I found that are Romanian will say that the women were branded by him. This is not entirely accurate.
They're saying this because of like NXIVM, right? Because the second season of the Keith Raniere doc came out and those women had been branded. The reality is that they have Tate's Girls tattoos, which we know exist.
I've seen pictures of them on a number of different women. And like, that's weird, but that is not branding.
People get tattoos. People get tattoos with dudes' names on them.
That's not like, it's not branding and branding somebody are dramatically different very different yeah again the guy is deeply abusive but he is not like i have not seen any evidence that he's literally branding women they just got tattoos of his name which is like weird but not what keith ranieri was having women do um it is too early for me to comment in much detail about the allegations against him. Um do know that at least two women, I think it's up to four now, have accused one of the Tates and we don't actually know which of the Tates with physical and sexual abuse.
In addition, both Tates are accused along with those women of sexually trafficking a number of women for their webcam business. Do we think he'd throw his brother under the bus to save himself?

One million.

Yeah, I think there's a good chance. I don't

think Tristan would. Tristan, I think,

is kind of brainwashed. No, no.

Tristan's a giant piece of shit, by the way.

I think that

Andrew would throw Tristan under the bus

before Tristan would throw Andrew under the bus, although

I'm open to being surprised here.

For a little bit of context

on the crimes, I'm going to quote from Reuters here.

The Directorate for Investigating Organized

Thank you. Tristan would throw Andrew onto the bus, although I'm open to being surprised here.
For a little bit of context on the crimes, I'm going to quote from Reuters here. The Directorate for Investigating Organized Crime and Terrorism said the suspects appear to have created an organized crime group with the purpose of recruiting housing and exploiting women by forcing them to create pornographic content meant to be seen on specialized websites for a cost.
It claimed that the men recruited women with the pretense of romance in the lover boy method before being forced to perform in pornographic content under the threat of violence. Investigators are reported to believe one of the performers brought in forty five thousand dollars a month or forty five thousand pounds a month, but received no payment while the women were kept under house arrest.
Tate claims the women kept 80 to 85 percent of the fees earned and that most of the girls ended up being multimillionmillionaires and look tate has his claim here uh that's important to note but we know that in his hustlers university video he recommends getting people to work with you in a gig basis and then lying to them about how much money they're making so you can take it all so i i think there's reason to believe the romanian authorities on this one um now the prosecution doesn't just have that. They have audio that likely, some of it I think came from a wiretap.
Some of it seems to have been recorded by one of his victims. Some of this audio has been leaked to, apparently been leaked to local Romanian news sources.
Most of the translations of it I found have been from Romanians on Reddit. I'm not gonna to quote directly from it because I just am not certain about the provenance of all of this yet.
But some credible Romanian news sources are reporting that based on these leaked conversations that the prosecution has, Tate openly discusses using the women who worked for him to launder money and talks about the fact that he is committing crimes. He does this very openly.
They have him recorded talking about the laws that he's broken, because as smart as he is in terms of how to like get himself going viral on TikTok, he's not comprehensible. Again, like everything about Andrew, he's not as good as he thinks he is.
And in this case, it seems to have bitten him in the ass. Now, it is worth noting that Tate's house had been raided like six months before his arrest.
So he was aware that the police were on him. It's kind of baffling to me that he did not.
And maybe it shows his arrogance that he didn't try to flee the country with his assets or as much of them as possible. And instead, he kind of seeded his fan base with comments about the fact that he was likely to be arrested or killed.
This is sort of a John McAfee. And I'm sure that's who he's copying from here.
Here's a clip from a fan video I found with nearly 700,000 views at the time of publication of this episode. This right here is one of my 18 audiobooks that I own.
It made 82 sales last month. It's another spanish for kids and i don't even speak spanish okay guys i paid a guy 150 he recorded the audio and then i just uploaded the file to audible wow what's amazing about this that's crazy i make about 50 to 100 sales and for each sale i get so again part of why Andrew is, because this is, he will tell you how to do a version of this scam.
And so will a million other people. Part of why Tate gets away with what he's doing is we have built a culture in which every single mass media organ is largely supported by a variety of scams and cons designed to suck money from people and provide them with nothing, including that's how YouTube makes its money.
This is a huge amount of YouTube's advertising. Yeah.
Like is shit like this. That's why Andrew is able to maneuver and act is that our culture has created the space where it is all nothing but a series of cons from the top to the bottom.
Anyway, let's let's watch this video now of him talking about how he's going to be murdered for cracking the matrix. To think they're not.
All I'm trying to do is teach men to be strong. If they decide to kill me on a long enough time frame, they're going to be successful.
But I can't. I don't want to live in fear.
Because what did I say in the earlier tenet? If if i become a coward i will live in fear and it breeds an action the music is amazing i want the world to know that i'd absolutely never ever kill myself under any circumstances ever no matter what they say i did not kill myself i don't want to be seen as a threat to the i have to die i want to be seen as a positive for i'm gonna tell you right now andrew absolutely would commit suicide if he thought he was never going to get out of prison, just like John McAfee did. Just like, look, narcissists do this all the time.
He's just hoping that he can rile people up, get folks angry, maybe inspire some violence on his behalf. Again, this is a pretty, this is part of the playbook where he's not being creative at all.
He's just doing a John McAfee. He's literally doing a McAfee.
Yeah. Now, true to, and I hope he does the full McAfee, by the way.
True to form, immediately after his request, someone with access to his account posted a link to Hustlers University 3.0, which is the newest face of his, he had just launched this before he got arrested. Now, Hustlers University 3.0 lives at the link jointherealworld.com, and on the website is a video made with clips from The Matrix and some other movies, alongside clips of Tate and clips of other YouTube stars attacking him.
Because he was like on Logan Paul's show, and then when he got arrested, Logan Paul pretended that like he hated him, all this good stuff. Above the video is the text, It's time to wake up, Neo.
Join us. Amass wealth.
Escape slavery. Hustlers University.
Hustlers University. Hustlers University.
Want to learn about Hustlers University. There's a bunch of rooms to go into, and those rooms have millionaire professors.
You are taught by a millionaire. That asks your questions.
They give you everything on a silver lining. It may be impossible to not make money if you follow what they say.
Not only having contact with actual multi-millionaires, being part of a community of students. We all help each other.
It's a community. People that are there for you.
They're all in there for one thing and that's the main body. I've already made my money back after the first day.
I've made 5k this month from just joining. That's fucking crazy.
I made 4k in my first month. I made 2,000 dollars in two weeks at 15.
I just made the fucking 20,000 dollars of Gritzone. So fucking cheers.
All in all, I made about 3,000 dollars. My goal was to match my nine to five income.
I shattered that by five times. I'll have days where I made two or $3,000, and that's like what I used to make in a month.
There are so many guys in this video. We probably saw like fucking close to 100 of them in that first series of just like different clips of people talking about their experience with Hustlers University.
Again, hundreds of thousands of people who have paid him money directly and have joined. And all of these dudes are still on Hustlers University.

It is still functioning as far as I have heard and presumably still deeply invested in Tate's

success. Like this is not a problem that's over.
And it is, you know, we don't know the court case. Andrew and his brother basically have not actually been formally charged yet as of publication of this episode, or at least as of the recording of it.
They are on a 30-day hold while the Romanian court kind of gets shit in order to see what they're actually going to charge them on some of this is just that like Andrew's obviously a flight risk he has whole videos about all the the private jets that he has access to um so we'll see I think there's a chance Andrew has played his last cards although I think there's a chance he winds up getting out and this has another ugly chapter um but there's a very good chance he's going to do serious prison time, like 10 plus years in Romania. And however rabid his fan base is now, if he spends years in prison, I think that will dull his appeal.
For one thing, it'll make him look like a loser. But in the here and now, we are all left with the problem of all of these fucking people, these young minds, these weirdos, these kids that he's influenced.
Multiple schools, particularly in the United Kingdom, have had to hold classes and seminars on de-radicalizing teenage boys who fell through Andrew Tate. And I'm going to close this episode by reading a quote from one of those articles in the Times of London.
His initial attraction to young people, said one teacher, was often his advice around being confident and financially successful. And from there, he capitalizes on a post-MeToo anxiety with comments such as, females don't have independent thought.
They don't come up with anything. They're just empty vessels waiting for someone to install the programming.
Jay Jordan, a teacher in Dundee of five years, said the recent interest in Tate had made boys more hostile. You used to have to deal with sexist stuff, but now

it's explicitly connected to Andrew Tate.

The boys do not stop talking about him,

she said. In one class, she

reprimanded a 14-year-old. You're just a

woman, he responded. Jordan, 37,

said, we've definitely gone backwards

and it is worrying.

And that's the fun place to end.

The Andrew Tate cast.

The Tate-pisodes. How are we, how are we doing gang? That's just, like I said before, it's I'm scared.
Cause there's like hundreds of thousands of boys and young men who think like this and like, they're, they're not, they're not in jail. They're not going anywhere, you you know so like that this mindset and this ideology is going to continue to be proliferated and it's it's pretty terrifying it is terrifying and it's it's worth noting again people talking about like what's the solution is is throwing him in prison the solution and like no throwing him in prison is a tourniquet maybe um i think it might stop his ability to grow the way that he would have grown if it hadn't.
Deplatforming was a total failure in this. Like kicking him off of shit did nothing but increase his reach and his profitability because of the quote unquote controversy that got changed.
And the thing to blame here, there's a couple of things. Number one, the structure of social media is to blame.
The structure of social media, in order to stop an Andrew Tate, it's not getting better at arresting these guys. It's changing the structure of social media to not reward the kind of conflicts that he deliberately incited in order to, the fact that like, if you do something super fucked up and racist and people get angry about it, it increases your reach on every social media app that exists is a huge part of the problem.
And the reason why that will not change is fundamentally that's how all of these people make money. Whether they're the good Twitter, the bad Elon Twitter, they all made their money by making people fight or by not making people fight, but by sharing things that would make people angry so that they would engage in fights.
That's a big part of what Andrew Tate recognized. The other thing is the entire structure of the system that we live under rewards, cons, and grifts.
It is all figure out what the latest, as technology increases, there are more opportunities to run versions of the same old MLM scam that will not be recognized yet by the government as illegal. Right.
So you get in there as fast as you can and you make your money and then you fucking escape. And this is the way this is the fucking cryptocurrency thing.
Right. This is all that NFT shit.
It's this, this, the new scam that is really just the old scam dressed up in enough of a coat of paint that nobody recognizes that like no no like the law doesn't recognize it for a couple of years. That's all Andrew has ever been doing.
That's all he is purporting to teach you. And he just was sloppy enough with aspects of his life and that that he wasn't able to keep doing it long enough.
Right. Like the only reason he got caught is that he bragged about breaking the laws in Romania and that they weren't going to punish him.
And also he was too good at becoming famous. If he had stayed a few levels lower than this, if he'd stayed at like that Alex Jones level or whatever of social media influence, even he probably would have kept getting away with it.
But he was so big that it created such a fuss. And the Romanian government had to be like, well, look, now he's bragging about sex trafficking.
And the EU is angry at us because we already have this problem. Let's destroy this guy's life in order to because he basically forced us to write.
If he'd been a little bit less of an idiot,

a little bit more careful,

he would have gotten away with it for longer.

And the next one probably will.

Although maybe all of these guys,

because they're narcissists,

are unable to kind of pull back from the ledge

before they go over it.

I guess that's the optimistic thing.

Maybe fundamentally the kind of guy

who can do an Andrew Tate

is always going to be so much of an egomaniac

that they can't stop themselves. I don't know.
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And then, you know, you got your next Andrew Tate, you know, 4.0 or whatever. And that's,

what's scary about it is as long as our current social media ecosystem exists and the way news

is covered, you know, the, the, as long as that model exists, somebody is just going to keep

finding ways to exploit this and do the same thing. And uh yeah it's it's scary it is scary but you know what's not scary you're pluggables that's you ian what do you got uh hmm uh yeah i would just say um i don't know yeah cool zone media great team great great people great podcasts and um oh tennis uh i'll plug tennis i'm really into i'm just starting um to play and i'm excited to get out there and get better.
Australian open is going on right now.

So it's a good time.

Yeah.

I,

I would like to plug that live music is beautiful and,

uh,

Andrew Tate can go fuck himself,

uh,

at cool zone media and all the things,

uh,

Robert,

do you have anything specifically you would like to plug?

Um,

yeah,

I have a book called after the revolution.

If you just Google AK press after the revolution, you can find it and buy a physical copy uh you can also just go to atrbook.com and find the ebook for free or just listen to the podcast of the same name so check that out uh i have a sub stack it's shatter Uh, just Google shatter zone sub stack and you'll find that.

I'll get another thing up there soon.

Anyway, that's me.

Um, you know, uh, you could, you could start calling me top G if you wanted to.

Sophie, do we think that's a good marketing term?

Okay.

Well, what if I do my Boston accent and I try to teach kids how to how to make their 12 year old cousins illegally labor for them without payment?

I don't know. There might be something there, Robert.

Well, thank you. Thank you, Ian.
Thank you for believing in me.

Would you like to join my discord for five thousand dollars?

You know what, Bobby? Yes, let's do it.

All right. All right.
All right. Well, everybody, I've got a new con to get off to.
So, everybody, have a great day and feel better than you feel listening to this episode. Bye.
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