BREAKING! Taylor Swift Turns Against Blake Lively & Ryan Reynolds | Candace Ep 141

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Happy Wednesday and stop everything because Taylor Swift, and yes, we are taking full credit for this. Stay at home mom, people that have been sending me tips, we are taking full credit for this journalism.
But clearly, either she or someone on her team saw our episode yesterday because we have just been on the scent like a hound. And a picture was starting to form that Taylor Swift may have been involved somewhat in the background in what happened to Justin Baldoni.
I mean, she was named in the lawsuit for a reason. And like I said on yesterday's show, it was her particular style, these Easter eggs.
She was hanging out with them at that time. The New York Times article, a lot of what happened just seemed to have a flavor of Tay.
Well, today, her team, and respect to them for the speed at which her marketing team moves, dropped an entire article in the press announcing that her and Blake are taking a break. They're no longer friends because, shocking, Taylor Swift feels used.
She always feels used. And she wants nothing to do with the Justin Baldoni situation.
Is she feeling, is she being used or are people starting to jump into lifeboats because Ryan and Blake's Titanic, you know, the ship that not even God could sink, is sinking. It's going down because God is God.
Okay. Also, it's the anniversary of Jussie Smollett's hate crime.
So it is indeed a dark day, the hate crime that he staged against himself six years ago. And so I decided to invite on the Nigerian brothers, the Unsundaro brothers, the people who helped him in the plot against himself.
I asked them the burning questions that everyone wants to know, like, this is MAGA country. Who exactly came up with that line?

You guys are going to crack up. These men are hilarious.
So let's get started and welcome back

to Candace. All right, guys.

So we all know the backstory here.

Blake Lively essentially threatened, you could say, Justin Baldoni, calling Taylor Swift and Ryan Reynolds her beautiful little dragon monsters that she sometimes has to use to get what she wants done.

Well, I am pleased to report that we have got live footage of one of her dragons.

Check this out. I am so sorry, Queen Khaleesi.
It does not seem to be going well for you right now. Well, we'll tell you guys, yesterday we did this episode.
Obviously, you saw it. I just was starting to put together this timeline, like the psycho that I am, and recognize that Taylor Swift was just in the mix a lot.
She's listed a special thanks to Taylor Swift on the credits of It Ends With Us. We had a lot of question marks about why that was.
And again, just her particular flavor and style of I'm the victim and like these horrible men did something to me. And I personally did not feel that Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds had the star power to get the New York Times to risk their professional reputation to help take down Justin Baldoni.
That's like global star power. That's something Kris Jenner can get done.
Taylor Swift can get done. Beyonce can get done.
Not Ryan Reynolds, not a Blake Lively for sure. Anyway, so today woke up Daily Mail, huge article.
And I want to tell you something first and foremost before we even discuss this article. Do not let people mistake you into thinking this is just a gossip column, okay? I've hung around some of these A-listers.
I used to be friends with Kanye West. I know how this works.
And let me tell you something that is well-known in Hollywood is that Taylor Swift has plugs, especially at the Daily Mail, when she wants to get a narrative out. The person that works for her is this woman named Tree.
And Tree is allegedly vicious. She will protect Taylor Swift's reputation by any means necessary.
And they fault. OK, the editors, the writers, journalists, when she says put something in the mail, it gets done.
I'm not saying that part allegedly. That is a fickey fact.
OK, take that to the bank. Start a 401k.
Tree knows how when she feels Taylor Swift is being threatened, she's going to protect her reputation. So this Daily Mail article appears very timely.
It says Taylor Swift taking a

step back from Blake Lively as dramatic legal battle with Justin Baldoni threatens their

decade long friendship. And it's got James Fetushka as the writer.
He is in the entertainment space.

He's like the top writer for their entertainment column. And he's not going to just write this unless he was told this.
This is how it works in the background. You guys, you have these PR people who come behind and they tell you this is what we want planted.
And the more power you have, it will be word from word for word, exactly what you want the public to read. So I'll tell you what they want the public to read.
It says Taylor Swift is taking a step back from her friendship with Blake Lively after feeling like she was used as an intimidation tactic by the actress in a lawsuit that she never wanted to be embroiled in. For the time being, she is taking a step back from Blake because she doesn't want to get tangled in this more than she already has, which is far more than she ever needed to be, an insider told the Daily Mail.
Her friends also think that Blake's I'm Khaleesi and like her, I happen to have dragons text to Justin was uncool and unnecessary because she was essentially used as an intimidation tactic. She was referred to as some kind of pet or possession.
Taylor shouldn't even be involved in this at all. She was only going over to visit Blake and Ryan with the understanding that the meeting would be over.
A second source said, Taylor has politely backed away from it all. She is conscious of her own image and hates that she was even mentioned.
Okay, so the last part is true. She is politely backed away because she's conscious of her own image.
She's extremely conscious. But I just, it can't always be that Taylor Swift is being used.
She can't always be being used. I'm sorry.
It's been like 20 years of her being used. And I don't feel that that is the true story.
OK, they acknowledge in this piece of the last time that Blake Lively and Swift were pictured together was in October on a double date with Travis Kelsey. And since basically Blake Lively has filed this sexual harassment complaint with the Californian Civil Rights Department, they have not been pictured together.
So again, I'm going to tell you why I don't believe this article. First and foremost, because it is just Taylor's modus operandi to constantly say that she's being used and she doesn't know how she got here, blah, blah, blah.
But there's also something that doesn't make sense. OK, what do you mean you showed up and the meeting was still going on? What does that mean? What does that mean? I showed up and the meeting was still going on.
So what are you being victimized by? If I show up in my friend's house and there's a meeting going on and I didn't know it was still going to go on, I don't need to insert myself in that meeting. Justin Baldoni in his lawsuit stipulates that Taylor Swift peer pressured him.
And she's not denying that in this article. She's not saying I didn't speak to him.
I said nothing, which I would be like, oh, you just used me as an intimidation tactic in your phone. I had nothing to do with it.
She is saying that she then went and heaped praise on Blake Lively's version of the opening scene. That's what his lawsuit states.
This is when they were talking about that rooftop scene. Okay.
So she inserted herself in that. So unless Blake Laver the nudge and said, can you go in there? In which case Taylor Swift is still responsible for having peer pressured him.
Then there's no deniability here. She can't say I had nothing.
I don't know how I got involved in this. You got involved in it because you peer pressured him to make a change that he didn't want to make to his movie.
So her follow-up text, which reads like a psycho, obviously, I'm Khaleesi, these are my dragons. She said it because you did something, okay? He clearly texted and said, you didn't have to do that.
You didn't have to have Taylor Swift there to make me look at your edits. And Blake Lively doesn't say, oh, what are you talking about? Taylor Swift said nothing to you.
Instead, she doubles and triples down by saying she's my beautiful little monster. Sometimes I have to release these little monsters on the world.
So it happened. OK, it actually happened.
And Baldoni said that she specifically spoke up about how much she loved the script, which implies to me that unless Taylor Swift is a liar, she read the script. So she involved herself in the script of the movie.
Unless she lied. Again, just backing up a friend.
Yeah, what she said, love the move. She must have read Blake Lively's edit.
So why is she backing out here? Very carefully worded back out because she's smart. Taylor Swift is very smart.
She is media savvy. Tree is media savvy.
She's looking at this case. Okay.
If you're her, her, her point person tree, and you're reading through the documents, you're going, Blake Lively is going to lose this. Okay.
So we're going to take a lifeboat now and say that we don't want to deal with this. She could still, by the way, be friends with Blake Lively in the background.
If Tree is as savvy as I think she is, she's probably going to say to Taylor, pretend to be shocked that this article came out, but we're getting you out of this publicly. We're going to throw this article in the Daily Mail.
Then you tell, I don't know what happened. I feel used by Tree.
I don't know how this article happened. So the public thinks you have nothing to do with it.
And you are not going to be pictured with her until this thing is over. And this is being slated for 2026.
Okay, so I don't even think they're not friends anymore. She's the godfather to her children, godmother to her children.
But I think that Taylor Swift is publicly backing away from this friendship because she's intelligent. But like I said, I have a scent on this like a hound.
And I wanted to show you something. And I'm going to show you why I even further do not believe a word that Taylor Swift is saying.
I still have question marks about her involvement because something else that got sent to me is completely crazy. OK, seriously, you guys, this is get seated here.
This is super interesting. So I'm showing you something that I actually had saved as a piece of the puzzle, but I didn't know where it quite fit in the puzzle.
So I just held it to the side. I was like, okay, this is random.
It's a random thing that I know happened, but I don't know why this happened and I'm not sure why it's important. So apparently toward the end of filming for It Ends With Us and also simultaneously the end of the filming for Deadpool, because remember these films were filming at the exact same time, suddenly the It Ends With Us crew decided that they needed a new composer.
It's very strange. The movie has a composer and you would not be hiring that person or trying to change that person or fire that person late in the day.
You don't just suddenly switch out the composer a year after you begin filming. That sounds very stressful.
And what was even more interesting is that not only did they remove the It Ends With Us composer, but they decided to use Deadpool's composer. Okay, so here's the clip that I didn't show you before because I wasn't sure about this piece.
And here is Deadpool's composer, Rob Simonson, discussing that sudden change in the

phone call that he got. Take a listen.
Again, this is Deadpool's composer, Rob Simonson, appearing on the Score podcast. So there was like a week of recording left on Deadpool, and I suddenly get a text from Blake and she sent a little video saying, you know, I'm doing this thing, need a score.
Can you deliver it in a week? And I said, I don't think a week, but maybe three, if we have three. So that materialized.
And yeah, so it was sequential. I was able to kind of finish up Deadpool.
But I was going from the dub of Deadpool and going back to the studio at night working on Blake's

film.

In a week?

It was a little nutty.

Well, it ended up being about a month.

I have to wonder, I mean, no interest in dishing, but was there a composer before? Or did they just one day wake up and say, Oh, you know what we need? A score. Call that guy who's doing my husband's movie.
Maybe he has time. I mean, how do you end up getting a call with, we're in that kind of a pinch unless I kind of guessed correctly.
Yeah. I think probably it was a scenario of a last second replacement.
A last second replacement of a composer in which someone got kicked out of It Ends With Us and they pulled over this guy from Deadpool last minute, the umpteenth hour. What could have happened? I didn't know what to do with this information.
I was like, okay, just store it, Candace. Something will pop up and a piece of this will make sense.
So get ready, okay? Yesterday, somebody sends me an email. It's always, I'm telling you the culture, man, we are on these people.
We are just like the whole FBI unit of stay-at-home moms, dads that are really good at tech sending me information. So this woman puts on my radar that there's a Reddit post, an anonymous Reddit post, I kid you not, that went up six months ago, six months ago during the week of the It Ends With Us premiere.
Now, typically a Reddit post, anonymous, who cares, right? You're like, okay, well, this seems like a stretch. No, it's not a stretch.
This is amazing. This person correctly stated everything that was going to happen.
Well, what has happened since and what was happening in the background, essentially, they present themselves as like, I know the person, a person that is going through this. Here is what is going on.
And you're not going to believe what is going on

and why it's happening.

And of course, when this person posted on Reddit,

no one believed her because who would believe an anonymous post?

A person saying that there's all this drama happening in the background.

The date on this post is August 12th.

Okay, so just to give you the timeline,

it ends with us, world premiere was August 6th.

That's when they had the red carpet premiere.

Justin Baldoni gets put into the basement. August 9th is when you, me, if we wanted to, could go see it in theaters.
This person on August 12th decides to write a whole long post because they're overcome with emotion and they don't know where to drop it. And that's what Reddit's for, right? You can't say it to people that you know, so you just drop it on the platform.
And look what this person says. This is amazing.
Okay, I'm going to read you the post in this entirely. This is in the Reddit feed for Colleen Hoover.
This user writes, okay, I know a lot of the inside drama before it ends with us, and I just don't know who to share it with. So here we are.
I'm obviously using a throwaway, but I know someone who worked on the movie for most of its run who would have gotten these details piping hot and not some grapevine situation. They told me firsthand what they know.
I'll give you the bullet points. Supposedly, Blake felt that Justin made her uncomfortable on set.
One instance in particular, they said, was that Justin told Blake that she looked sexy in what she was wearing on set. I don't know the context around it.
Pause there. Fact check, true.
It was in Blake Lively's lawsuit. She said that he used the word sexy.
It's a huge part of a lawsuit that we then found out in December. This person's dropping this tea in August.
And Justin Baldoni's offense was this was a word that she introduced into into our lexicon, so to speak, in terms of our friendship. She used to say sexy.
So when I she when I said sexy, I thought that was an OK term. So this person knows that.
It's in both of their lawsuits. Next, they say apparently, Justin wasn't happy with the original editors being cut out of the movie.
So he hired his own team to do his version of the movie. Blake wanted to do her own version of the movie as a result, but Sony said no.
Again, that fact check's true. We know that there were two versions that ended up being created.
So Blake goes to Sony and threatens to go to the New York Times with a story that says that Justin was sexually harassing her on set if they don't let her have her own version. This is crazy, okay? Crazy because in Justin Baldoni's suit, he alleges that for months, she was, Blake Lively was colluding with the New York Times for months.
And I'm going, where is he getting for months? We've now traced this back to December 18th. Well, this must be the version is that she basically said, give me what I want, or I will go to the New York Times.
Now this is all an allegation, but it's fact-checking true because she ended up going to the New York Times and actually doing this, okay, in the background. So if Sony told her, no, you don't get to edit our film, she says, I will go to New York Times and blast you for sexual harassment.
Let's keep reading what this person dropped. Sony freaks out and says, okay, whatever you want.
Again, when you read through Justin's complaint and what was happening behind the scenes with Sony, this, I would say, fact-checks true based on the evidence and documents that I've seen. It then says, Justin is banned from the Sony lot.
I don't think forever, just for the run of the movie, but I could be wrong. That would make sense if they're worried about a Me Too situation.
They're going to be like, okay, we don't want this to happen, and so we're going to separate from you creatively, not let you get involved or do anything. This is the reason how this is how he ends up in the basement.
It then says Blake hires T. Swift's music video editors to do her version while she's filming in Italy for something else.
Guess what? That fact check's true as well. Blake Lively went to Italy to film A Simple Favor 2, another movie, and we had never had this tip that she hired Taylor Swift's music video editor, okay? Next, Blake has a friends and family screening to get thoughts with lots of A-listers.
Ben Affleck, Bradley Cooper, I think, et cetera, et cetera. Now, why is that sounding to me? Because another piece I couldn't figure out is why in the credits, when they make fun, if it ends with us and they put in Gordon Reynolds, if you could pull that credit up right now, Skylar, if we could pull in the credits from it ends with us, if we have it, they also included Bradley Cooper.
And I didn't know why. I was like, why is she giving a special thanks to Bradley Cooper in the it ends with us? Why did Blake Lively move to do that? That made no sense to me.
This then locks that in. Bradley Cooper then sees the edit that was done with Taylor Swift's editor.
This person had the tea. Let's keep.
Yep. There we go right there.
So you see we're pulling this up now. Gordon Reynolds, that top line.
I was like, why is she thanking Bradley Cooper, Taylor Swift, Britney Spears? She wore her outfit, Austin Swift. I was like, why are we thanking Bradley Cooper? Well, this person has connected that dot for us very quickly.
Let's keep reading what they had to say. So she gets their thoughts.
Everyone is like, oh, this movie makes no effing sense. Blake realizes she needs to hire an experienced film editor to fix it.

So Blake uses a T. Swift song in the movie that the studio loves having in there.

Again, that fact check's true.

We all know that they used a Taylor Swift song and they did a lot of press about that.

Taylor Swift finds out that the original composer for the movie is someone that she worked with in the past that was mean to her.

And she says it's either me or it's him.

So you can use my song.

Thank you. for the movie is someone that she worked with in the past that was mean to her.
And she says it's either me or it's him. So you can use my song, but you got to get rid of this composer.
Sony fires that composer to keep the Taylor Swift song. I think that's everything I know.
Guys, guys, guys. I'm feeling that every single bit of that post, which happened four months before the general public was aware of anything going on before any lawsuits were filed, has to be absolute facts.
So that, again, puts Taylor Swift at the center of this. It ends with us drama saga composers leaving music in there.
She was involved during this time heavily with Ryan Rettles and with Blake Lively. And for that reason, my friend, I am sorry, but you have to be subpoenaed.
I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
You're coming. You're coming to court.
I am subpoenaing Taylor Swift in this lawsuit that I had nothing to do with. But I'm telling you right now, Justin Baldoni, subpoena her because she's got something to do with this.
OK, I'm not saying how much she has to do with this, but I'm saying that Reddit post is giving me like we're on the money here. Sorry, Tree.
We're probably going to have to subpoena Bradley Cooper, too. I think I think Bradley Cooper's got to come.
Sorry, guys. I want everybody in the courtroom.
OK, I'm going me. I'm going.
I'm going to bring Savannah. I'm going to be dressed up.
I am watching this go down next year. Everyone has to be subpoenaed.
There was much more going on here than meets the eyes. Okay.
This is like an octopus. She's like covering everything.
It's got more tentacles, arms than we could have ever imagined. And by the way, speaking of subpoenas, we are especially subpoenaing Colleen Hoover.
Okay. The writer of the book, because there is something that stinks to high heaven there, because why did she delete her Instagram on January 22nd? OK, she didn't delete it when Blake Lively filed.
She was with Blake Lively, all this stuff. She didn't delete it when Justin Baldoni filed.
I think he he filed a couple of days later. Why did she move to delete her Instagram on January 22nd after Brian Friedman started making the rounds signaling

that he was going to subpoena all of these communications.

I think we're trying to delete a digital trail.

I don't like it.

I also don't like that shortly after we had this announcement from a Variety article.

I mean, shortly after her little sit down with Blake Lively, we showed you this clip, I'm going to show it to you again, where she doesn't seem surprised when Blake Lively says, like, oh, if Colleen gets her movie back, I would love to be in the sequel. This was on CNN, just reminding you, okay? So this is her and Blake Lively having this conversation during the week that, I think it was August 7th, yeah, August 7th, when their movie, It Ends With Us, came out, reminding you what they said for a reason.
Take a listen. Is there any chance that we could have a sequence? What chance that you could have a what? A sequence, like it starts with this.
I mean, if Colleen has her rights, I'll go anywhere. I'll follow this woman anywhere.
Y'all heard her. Y'all heard her.
I did hear her. And I heard you, Colleen.
You didn't seem surprised by that. And Justin Baldoni already owned the rights.
You sold them to him. Wayfair Studio already owned the rights.
So what did you two know that the general public didn't know? And then following that little sit down, and then started looking into Colleen Hoover. And she, at some time around this period, at least according to this Variety article,

launched her own production company with the aim of getting, you know, control over her

future books.

Okay.

Look at this.

This is a Variety article that was published on October 7th.

And it's saying, Colleen Hoover novel.

This is another one.

Reminders of him.

Sets movie adaptation at Universal for Valentine's Day, 2026. Okay.
Buried in that article, it says she and Hoover, and they're referring to a partner, her partner Levine, will produce through their newly launched production company, Heartbones Entertainment. So I think something's going on here.
I think that we're going to have to bring in some Heartbones Entertainment execs. I even went so far as to look up their LLC and see if there had been any movement.
So she filed for Heartbones Entertainment LLC in Beverly Hills in California in January of 2023. I'll add it to hour timeline.
But there was a change. Go back to that.
And this screenshot doesn't show you. She changed her agent for this LLC in October.
Right. So right around the time that this came and this announcement came of Heartbones Entertainment, she moved to make her agent a very, very high flying law firm, a lawyer there that works for a law firm that's recently changed its name.
I mean, they repped everyone from Johnny Depp to Brad Pitt. I mean, A-list, A-list.
Jake Gyllenhaal. And I'm going, what's that move about? I've got questions.
I've got to dig a little into Colleen Hoover, this production company being launched a little ha ha ha.

You heard her.

Yep.

We did hear her, Colleen.

We did.

It's echoing in my mind, Colleen.

And I find you to be suspicious.

And I find Taylor Swift to be suspicious.

And from what's what I know about Taylor Swift and how she got her master's and how the public still doesn't really understand how that happened from a business perspective.

And yeah, it's all about the press. It's all about the press.
If you can win the press war, then you can kind of do whatever you want in the background. And I am feeling, I'm getting vibes that this entire move was about sinking Justin Baldoni, potentially, because they just wanted to get this movie and the sequel out of his hands.
And a better story would have been, well, we're giving it to Colleen Hoover. She's the book owner.
She has to own her masters, right? Rather than, who invested in that, by the way? Harpo and Sertain, I'm just wondering, does she own it 100%? Did Ryan and Blake make an investment in it? I wanna see their Instagram communications. You can't just like throw bleach on it and smash a file and think that we're not gonna find it..
There's digital footprints, Colleen, and I'm going to need yours. I'm going to need yours immediately.
Okay. So anyways, everyone right now is scattering into the wind, including look at this headline, Blake Lively's own brother-in-law.
Okay. So Blake Lively has a sister that is more talented than her.
Her name is Robin Lively. Absolutely loved her in Teen Witch.
Really a fantastic movie, Robin. Anyways, Robin is married to a guy and he initially came out and was throwing shade at Justin Baldoni.
And look at this headline, Blake Lively's brother-in-law apologizes. This is today, guys, for anything unkind, he said amid Justin Baldoni drama, because now we're chasing down the real bullies, right? And so by the way, and I think there's another headline of him saying that People Magazine is covering it.
I want to say I respect that. I respect if you got it wrong, like legitimately, and you maybe really thought she was sexually assaulted.
Now you've read through the complaint and you're saying, you know what, I shouldn't have done that. That is like respectable right there.
It's the people like Brandon Sclenor who are silent right now, who hyped this, read the complaint, read the complaint. We read it and then we read Justin's and it is despicable that you threw a guy under the bus and I think Brandon Sclenor, he's gotta be subpoenaed, okay? He absolutely must be subpoenaed into my courtroom.
That's how I feel. I want Brandon Sclenner, Colleen Hoover, and Taylor Swift subpoenaed into this courtroom.
And an article in the Daily Mail is not gonna stop that Taylor Swift team. So we will pause there.
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Listen, six years ago, a terrible thing happened. Black guy walking through Chicago got beat up by some MAGA people.
And then we found out that he maybe beat up himself, but it was a traumatizing thing for him to go through nonetheless. So I just would like to show you this clip of Jussie on Jussie Smollett on ABC News after the horrific incident that has never been happened before, a hate crime against thyself.
Take a listen. Who says empire, this MAGA country, ties a noose around your neck and pours bleach on you.
And this is just a friendly fight. I will never be the man that this did not happen to.
I am forever changed. I have fought for love.

I'm an advocate.

I respect too much the people who I am now one of those people

who have been attacked in any way.

You do such a disservice when you lie about things like this.

If the attackers are never found, how will you be able to heal? Um, I don't know. Let's just hope that they are.
You know what I'm saying? Like, let's, let's not go there yet. Let's, um, I'm not laughing.
You're laughing. And for those of you that are laughing in the chat I'm completely disgusted with you this was a real attack it's just one that we've never considered and I felt when he said that like we got to find these attackers like I had to find them and I did find them and so ladies and gentlemen we are going to cut we filmed this interview with them yesterday so we could roll it today.

So I'm going to roll it for you guys and then I will see you for live questions. And I promise you this interview is going to make your day.
Take a listen. Abel and Ola, I have been meaning to interview you guys for quite some time.
I mean, really fantastic, fantastic work. I guess my first question really is how

much would it be if I wanted to book you to conduct a hate crime against myself at this

moment? I'm assuming prices have gone up. Yes, definitely.
It's not no longer 3,500.

We've 100x that. So, yes.
Okay. So you might be out of my budget.
There's a lot of questions

to We've 100x'd that. So, yes.

Okay, so you might be out of my budget.

There's a lot of questions here that I think many people have.

But I guess my first question is, were there, my second question, rather, were there no white people available for this particular park? Because I think if you're going to try to do, you know, this is MAGA country.

I got, you know, assaulted by some white people.

Maybe trying to cast some white people. Maybe

trying to cast some white guys in this part might have been good. Yes, I agree.
Let me explain something. I blame for this whole thing, President Trump, for this whole experience that went down.
And the reason I blame him is because in 2016, he did not address the DEI issue.

So we were DEI hires. That's why he used us.
So I blame President Trump. So can you tell me how did Jesse breach? I need to know how the conversation started, because it's such an awkward conversation to have.
Like, can you assault me and pretend to be white guys? So I just need to hear you guys tell me how it went down. Yeah.
So he initially texted me saying that he wants to speak with me on the low, that I should come meet him at CineSpace where they film Empire. So I went to go meet him and he was driving me home and he was smoking weed.
Of course, he always does. And he just randomly said, I want you to beat me up.
Yeah, crazy, right? But before he said that, he did say Kim K. She had just gotten robbed in Paris, her family.
And he was telling me how that was staged. That's what he said.
He said it was completely fabricated, that it was a publicity stunt. So he was trying to let me, like trying to convince me to do this.

And then he was like, yeah, I want you to beat me up.

So I was trying to let me like trying to convince me to do this. And then he was like, yeah, I want you to beat me up.
So I was at first confused. I didn't say anything.
And I waited for him to say something else because I was dumbfounded. And then he said, yeah, I need you to beat me up, fake beat me up.
So then he then proceeded to ask me if my brother would do it. And I said, sure, he would.
So that's what happened. So you're just in a car and he's like, remember that Kim K thing? That entire thing was fake, which, by the way, I have not heard that.
So that's very interesting that he would say that. And maybe he would know.
Who knows? But so he's just saying to you, like, I need you to do this. You're saying your brother's instantly in.
When did he kind of spell out for you the plan of how he wanted to go down? And also, did he tell you why he wanted you to do it? Is he just like a just like a PR stunt? Yeah. So initially he so we went to go meet my brother that day.
We when he drove me home, we saw my brother. He got in the car and then he laid out the details what exactly what he wanted us to do and then we did a drive-thru not a drive-thru a run-thru the next day like rehearsal dress rehearsal dress rehearsal yeah where we went to the location he picked out everything all the details he picked out.
And he said a camera would be right there, that we're going to do it right here by the stairs and the camera will capture everything.

And he did mention that it was for publicity.

Well, he didn't say it. It was implied that it was supposed to be for publicity because he said he was going to disperse it to the media companies.

And he never said what he didn't say was he never said it was going to be for, uh, reported to the police, which criminal. Okay.
So whose idea was the bleach? Cause that's a very compelling part of the story. I mean, I've been black a long time, I would say.
And when I think of crimes against Black people, just from my experience, no one like throws bleach because it's not going to dye your skin white per se. So whose genius idea was the bleach? So actually, it was originally supposed to be gasoline, but I did not feel comfortable throwing gasoline on somebody.
So I changed it to bleach. Yeah, it's actually a better option.
That's a good touch. So you OK, so you got the bleach in there.
Now, when he recommended the gasoline, what even why even the gasoline? I't know dramatics i don't know jesse personally yeah but he doesn't sound like the brightest you know maybe the brightest of stars so to speak because i don't know why would you wait and by the way gasoline kind of expensive you know Okay, so here's another question. Black people, obviously just going into some black science here, we don't particularly love the cold.
So that was one of the first things that flagged me as weird. I said, listen, you can't tell me that black people are out during a polar vortex.
Was the polar vortex accidental? Did you pick that night accidentally? It was very accidental. So Jesse wanted it to be done.
My brother could go more into it. He wanted it to be done before we left for Nigeria.
So we already had a trip going to Nigeria that we booked three months prior. So he reached out to us and he knew we were going to Nigeria.
So he asked, hey, when are you guys going to Nigeria? Oh, tomorrow? Well, I need it done today. You know, and that's how I went down.
And then he's, we were only going to be in Nigeria for two weeks. And he said, no, he can't wait for two weeks.
And we have an idea why that might have happened yeah um it was kind of crazy because his uh flight he was coming back from new york that day and his flight kept getting um delayed it got delayed like twice where we had to change the original time of 12 a.m to 2 a.m in the morning and he still wanted to go on with the plan. He said, no, we're still doing it.
So that's what happened. He wanted us to do it before we left to Nigeria.
So you guys are communicating and he's like, no, it's still on. Like, is this just on text? Okay.
So all of this is being documented. And when you realized how many degrees it was not that night, did you, as Black men, have some second thoughts about whether you were going to embrace this polar vortex? Were there any second thoughts? There was four thoughts.
Four thoughts. Man, it was cold as hell.
It was colder than penguin feet. I'm saying there was times we were like, you know what? Let's just go back, bro.
Let's just go back. Yeah.
Actually, because he was late. He was not at the exact spot exactly at 2 a.m.
So we gave him literally a couple minutes to show up because we weren't going to wait out there. But Lord but lord behold he showed up at the last minute

wow unbelievable and so when he gave you the script per se because you went over the plan the detailed plan was this is MAGA country in it or were you guys sort of ad-libbing um mega country i feel that we came up with that but all the other all the other stuff like all the like the real bad derogatory stuff that was all jesse yeah the red well he wanted the red hats and we just made it mega country you know so um yeah so he wanted us to say the F word.

He wanted us to say,

he wanted us to say,

aren't you that empire?

And then we're like,

this MAGA country before beating him up,

well, fake beating him up.

I think the greatest part is the line,

this is MAGA country.

If we're going for the awards here,

whoever came up with that line

is the creative genius of the two of you,

I hope you guys enjoyed this video. I think the greatest part is the line, this is MAGA country.
If we're going for the awards here, whoever came up with that line is the creative genius of the two of you, because I just think it is hilarious. It's just objectively, this is MAGA country.
No, he wanted us to get actual Make America Great Again hats, but we couldn't find them nowhere in Chicago. In Chicago, the bluest city ever.
So we just got a regular red hat from the beauty supply. And did he say to you, what did he say about your not white faces? Like, was it his suggestion that you had to cover them? How did that, what did he say? Yeah, so since there were going to be cameras, he said, make sure you cover your face, wear masks and all that.
So you couldn't see our face. It was to the point that, so my brother and I, we were playing, it was an acting gig for us.
So we were playing white supremacists, white racists from the South. So we even came up with names he was Bubba but I didn't have no name so so it was it was so believable to the point that when we were in the uber on our way there the uber driver yeah the uber driver told the police that they were white guys so he thought thought we were white.
Yeah, because we were talking in our southern accent, our best southern accent. If you don't mind, just because we're here, could we hear Bubba's southern MAGA country accent? Yeah, so that night when we went and took care of Jesse Jesse get that boy over there that boy thought he could fight us back we took care of that boy didn't we yeah we did this is MAGA country and you better know it I don't know if we're going to be in your accents are terrible i know you sound like two nigerian men trying to sound like you're from tennessee they're terrible oh hey people both the time they don't know you know my gosh, it's so funny.
Okay, so when you got the noose, this is very important, because that's all that happens down here, just nooses everywhere. Did you ever expect that following the incident, Jesse would be so dumb as to leave the noose around his neck and still be holding the sandwich? Because this seems like this maybe went wrong in the improv skit.
Because I do think that if I was getting jumped with gasoline and bleach and being called the N-word and the F-word that I might drop the sandwich. Like it's not that, Subway's not particularly the greatest thing I've ever eaten.
And he didn't do that. So what happened there? He might have been hungry, right? Especially after ass whooping.

Yeah, that ass whooping was pretty hard on him.

But we think he left the news for a reason.

And so two months prior, I think in December, a bill was passed or it passed the Senate floor or the House floor.

And then it was going to the other side. And it was the anti-lynching bill.
I don't know if it was called that at that time. And it was also coming up again, February 14th.
And that's the reason why we believe he wanted us to do it right before we went to Nigeria, because we wouldn't have been back by February 14th. So our book, so we released a book that tells about the whole situation, about if you make a mistake, you know, that's not the end-all, be-all.
You can move forward and pass that. And our book explains who we think might have brought this.
Yeah, we don't think Jesse's the actual mastermind behind this. We think somebody put him up to this.
Yeah, honestly. Yeah.
Let me tell you, no one's ever accused Jesse Smollett of being a mastermind. I will I will tell you that.
So what is the title of your book and where can people go to find it? So the title of the book is Bigger Than Jesse.ie, the modern, what is it? The Disturbing Need for Modern Day Lynching. And it is found on Amazon or anywhere you buy your books, Barnes and Noble, anywhere.
Okay. So you guys, you're hearing that.
My listeners, if you want to hear more about this story, which is truly, it's now a part of American history. It's positively hilarious.
Just a couple of things, obviously, for you guys listening, if a black person ever tells you that they went out in a polar vortex, it's funny business. OK, it's just not what we do genetically.
We cannot do certain things. And that's one of them.
That's why we don't ski, ice hockey, none of those things. And so that's why I knew the story never made sense.
But go out and buy their book. They are positively hilarious.
And they were completely honest from the beginning with the police. They came forward and told the truth because for them, they were just they were just trying to play a part.
They were just trying to be Bubba. You know, they didn't know that they were getting involved with some crazy politics in trying to get an anti-lynching bill passed.
You guys, I am so glad that you joined me today. I can't tell you.
I've watched your interviews guys are hilarious so i wish you all the success in the world and the next time i get in touch please do

know that it will be to stage my own um crime and i'm gonna have some really good lines for you

okay we ready get your money up yeah

thank you guys so much for joining we'll put a link up to your book. Thank you.
We appreciate you. Well, I'm disgusted at the live chat right now.
A lot of laughing emojis. They shared a story that has given Jussie Smollett great pain.
Plausibly the worst accent I've ever heard in my entire life. I knew that would brighten your day because it brightened my day when we recorded it yesterday.
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And I'm just happy that more people are getting to hear me and not believe all of the horrible things I feel like the media said about me for years. It feels like we've now gotten to a place where people know that it's not true.
Alex Needham asks, I didn't know I needed this interview, but I did need it. See, I knew you guys needed it.
We needed the Nigerian brothers. They are just gems.
I love them. And by the way, they never lied to the police.
For them, it really wasn't acting good. They got cast as two white racist men in the middle of a Chicago vortex.
That was real. They were happy about being cast for $3,500.
And they said, you know, Jesse wrote them a check. And when we were offline, they said they don't accept checks anymore.
So if I do book them, I'm going to have to pay them cash, I assume. They're done with the business of putting things in writing.
So when I execute my hate crime against myself, I'll keep you guys posted. Mud writes, Blake and Ryan are visible farts.
Okay, Mud, thank you for that. Thank you very much for that.
Eerie says, Candace always pulls up with the smoke and receipts. Yes, like I said, my investment in this, to me, it's not a Hollywood story.
It is a Me Too story. It is a political movement that got hijacked by women that understood they could easily take down men who would not be able to defend themselves against toxic femininity.
And I have three sons. And so I am going to see this through until the very end.

Like I said, me and Savannah will be at the courthouse. We will be dressed,

ready to go, sunglasses at the courthouse. I deserve a seat in there.
And I hope that you

guys will encourage them to give me a seat in there, Justin Baldoni's legal team. Because I'm

sure they're watching this too. They don't even know any of this.
They're watching this finding

stuff out. Justin Baldoni's team is like, what? This is crazy.
We got a subpoena Taylor Swift.

Yeah, you do. You have to subpoena her.
Belle Eve writes, T-Swift Easter eggs are

I'm just going to say, They're watching this finding stuff out. Justin Baldoni seems like, what? This is crazy.
We got a subpoena Taylor Swift. Yeah, you do.
You have to subpoena her. Belle Eve writes, T-Swift Easter eggs are strategically planned for months and years.
Nothing seems out of her control for a beneficial narrative or profit. Either there's more to the plan or this is the implosion of it.
Yeah, I just have a lot of questions. She just was hanging out with them a lot during that time and involved in the movies.
And I just know how friends are when girls chat. I don't think she just walked in there and said, hey, I love her script changes.
That doesn't sound right to me. So backing away from it now feels a little shady.
I'm not saying I'm blaming Taylor Swift for everything. I'm just saying that I don't buy that she didn't know he was going to be there.
You either read the script or you didn't. But I do probably buy that she was a little embarrassed about that text message referring to her as a dragon because it is bullying.
And she has very carefully crafted people, her brand to make people believe that she doesn't engage in that. But I actually think she does, you know, a lot.
And people can't defend themselves against whatever narrative she puts out with her Easter eggs. I think men are scared to stand up and say that actually didn't happen.
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I'm glad that you're not fake or gay. That's amazing.
I pray for you and your family's safety

and prosperity. Keep doing God's work.
Waking up every day at 1 a.m. to watch your show from Dubai.

God bless. And yes, even as a Muslim, Jesus is king.
I love that. I really want to go see Dubai.
That's on me and my husband's list, but I can't stop being pregnant. I don't know.
It's like a disorder or something. I really got to talk to a doctor, see a doctor about this.
South Pole writes, this is a two-part comment, a super chat. Canis, maybe this is a little crazy to ask, but we have a red pill friend and content creator named Adam Francisco.
He does not have a large following on YouTube, but he has been a staunch supporter of Trump and the conservative movement. He has been in need of a kidney donor for a while and has been posting the last couple of weeks that he is in dire need of a transplant and is asking his limited supporters if they can or if they know anyone who can help.
Well, we have just now broadcast that to at least a million people who will see it. So Adam Francisco is his name.
He did not include his handle here, content creator. You never know.
Sometimes somebody sees something and the next thing you know, he gets a new transplant. At the very least, people can keep Adam Francisco in his prayers.
All right, guys, we will stay on the hunt. Like I said, we don't know if we're going to be back tomorrow.
I want to come back. So I have to show you that metadata thing.
And there's some other stuff going on I have to talk to you about. But I also have to work on this McCrone piece.
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