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I'm your host, Ashley Flowers.

And I'm Brits.

And the story I have for you today, it begins at exactly 4.10 p.m.

in Cabot, Pennsylvania.

That's the time when eight-year-old Cherry Mayhan gets dropped off by her school bus.

Come rain, snow, or shine.

It is always there near the end of her family's gravel driveway.

And Friday, February 22nd, 1985 was no different.

The big yellow box parked on the side of the road right on schedule and opened its accordion door to deposit Cherry in her big backpack in the one place that a kid should be safest.

But something happened to Cherry after those bus doors closed.

And somewhere in the 500 feet between the road and her home, Cherry disappeared and she hasn't been seen in over 40 years.

But in the last few months, our team has been in contact with a man in prison who says he holds the answers and he agreed to meet with us to share what he knows.

Only one thing was different from the routine Cherry Mayhan followed on February 22nd, 1985.

That Friday was the one day neither Cherry's mother or stepfather were there to walk her from her bus down the long drive to their front door.

It was a nice day, 40 degrees.

Her mom Janice could see the road from their window.

She could hear the bus on the gravel as it pulled up.

Like, what could possibly happen in your own driveway?

So she told her husband, Leroy, they could skip meeting Cherry at the stop.

And every day for 40 years, I bet her stomach churns as she replays that decision.

I mean, it was so small, but it changed her life forever.

Janice hears the bus come and go, and they wait.

But when minutes go by and Cherry doesn't walk through the door, Leroy heads out to the front of the trailer to check on her.

Now, he doesn't spot her out front, so he walks to the end of the driveway, thinking maybe she stopped there to chat or play with a friend, but she's not there either.

And as he stares up and down the two-lane back road, surrounded by woods on either side, the first seed of the stomach pit that he'll come to live with begins to grow.

Now, Leroy doesn't want to waste any more time.

So he gets Janice and they hop in their car to literally chase this bus down because maybe Cherry missed her stop.

Maybe she had never gotten on the bus.

Like, please have one of these things be what happened.

But she didn't.

The bus driver tells them, yet, she was on this bus and she just got off at her house not too long ago.

They're not talking themselves out of a panic now.

Like Cherry is the kid who lives by the rules.

So this is not like her.

She wouldn't have just wandered off.

And she even had a sleepover planned for that night that she was super excited about.

Like she would be here if she could be.

So they go right back to their trailer to call 911.

Officers get there pretty quickly, like within 10, 20 minutes, and they do a preliminary search of the area.

Even though it's warm, there is still some snow on the ground.

So it's a bit easier to see if there are any footprints or anything.

But they don't see any suspicious ones or any that might suggest which way Cherry walked when she got off the bus.

They also aren't seeing any of her belongings either, like her blue backpack that should stand out in the winter woods.

But they don't find that or any of the clothes she was wearing, which was a denim skirt and leg warmers with gray and beige boots.

And by the way, not even just in the preliminary search do they not find these.

From what Janice told us, police end up searching the five-mile radius around the home, even using bloodhounds to try and track Cherry's scent.

And they also also searched the surrounding woods with helicopters.

Local volunteers joined the searches as well.

So it was a full-blown effort, but there were still no signs of Cherry.

And have police already talked to all the kids on the bus to see if they saw anything like when she was getting dropped off?

They don't do that immediately.

And that's coming from Janice.

I would love to give you the play-by-play from police, but, but, but Pennsylvania State Police weren't willing to talk to us for this episode.

And all of our records requests were denied because they said it's an active investigation.

But Janice's impression was that they first thought Cherry was a runaway.

And then when they changed their minds about that, they then zeroed right in on Leroy and Janice themselves, questioning them for hours individually.

And it wasn't totally unwarranted.

I mean, you have to start closest to the missing person, parents, if it's a missing child.

And Janice and Leroy definitely had things to look at.

Janice told our reporter that both she and Leroy struggled with substance use disorder and Leroy has post-traumatic stress disorder from the Vietnam War along with other struggles with his mental health.

And Leroy was also part of a local motorcycle gang at the time.

So I don't know if they were thinking like the couple did something or maybe like just that they were hanging around in bad crowds who might have done something to their daughter.

But to get to the bottom of it, police asked them both to take a polygraph and they agree.

and they both pass with no signs of deception.

However, according to Janice, they were still treated like suspects.

Though I will say they didn't let the investigation stop there because they start widening that circle.

And the next closest connection to Cherry is her biological dad, who Janice tells us is also allegedly connected to a motorcycle gang.

Oh, this is a different motorcycle gang, though, than Leroy.

Okay.

But Janice says that he was like pretty high up in this motorcycle gang.

And Even though him doing something to Cherry didn't really make a whole lot of sense, because truly he never even really wanted much to do with his daughter, like they still got to check this out.

And interestingly, according to the Pittsburgh Press, when they do go and check, this dude is super adamant that not only did he have nothing to do with this, he's like, I'm not even her father.

Oh.

Yeah.

So I'm assuming there are a lot of investigative steps that I'm not privy to in order to get to this next part.

But all in all, police end up ruling him out because there is nothing connecting him to her disappearance.

Now, in the early days of all of this, police don't name any suspects.

And Janice couldn't think of anyone she knew who would have wanted to hurt her daughter.

Cherry was a sweet, bright young girl.

I mean, she was Janice's everything.

To kind of put it in perspective, she had her at 16.

So, like, they grew up together.

They were always with each other.

I mean, the only times they weren't was when Cherry was at school or when Janice had to go to work early and she would drop Cherry off before school with like a babysitter down the road.

But while she wasn't suspicious of anyone she knew, that didn't mean that there wasn't someone to be suspicious of.

Someone that Cherry was actually suspicious of shortly before she disappeared.

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Janice tells police that they only lived in this home for the last six months or so.

Before getting this trailer, they actually lived in Janice's mom's house, which is like 20 minutes away in a town called Saxonburg.

She said, at first, when they moved, like Cherry was super excited to have her own room and bathroom.

Like, I mean, the dream.

The dream for a young girl.

But after a few months in her new room, something changed.

Like, Cherry went from being excited to afraid because she told her mom that she was afraid someone was watching her from her bedroom window.

Was someone watching her from her bedroom window?

Well, Janice never saw anyone.

And at the time, she thought maybe it might have just been like new home jitters.

But it was enough for Janice to take her concerns seriously.

So she moved Cherry into a smaller room closer to Janice and Leroy.

And she bought her blackout curtains.

Like, I mean, she did everything she could.

But that didn't change how scared Cherry was.

Even in that small room, she was sleeping on the floor.

No pillows, no blankets.

Almost like she was hiding.

That's what I'm envisioning, right?

And it's heartbreaking because this was going on for a couple of months and she was afraid like this up until she disappeared.

So it's at this point when police are hearing this that they finally go talk to the other kids on Cherry's bus.

Maybe she told them more than she told her mom.

Now, that ends up being a no-go.

None of the kids know about someone watching her, but they are able to give police some other information.

Important, like, I bet you wished you talked to them first information.

One of the kids who was on the bus tells police that there was this like blue-green van following behind the school bus the day Cherry disappeared.

Now, I have come to learn that blue-green vehicles are like a dime a dozen in the mid-80s, but this one was ultra-specific.

This kid said that it had a painting of a person skiing down a snowy mountainside on the passenger side of the van.

Yeah, you don't see paintings on the sides of vans every day.

I've seen that never.

I heard it's like a bit, I was actually doing a little like chat GPT, like Googling with this, and apparently it was like a big thing in the 70s and 80s.

But like, I'm not talking a small painting.

After getting more witness confirmations of this van, they actually have a picture drawn and they include it in the missing persons flyers put out on cherry.

But there is an interesting line in the description written above it.

So it says possible vehicles involved in abduction.

Plural.

Yeah.

Blue or green van with mountains seen on passenger side.

Know that.

Right.

Also, a small blue vehicle seen in the area.

Seen in the area by who?

So reporting only says that it came from a witness, but I don't know who that witness was.

Though it might have been a local woman named Debbie Burke, who lives nearby.

She was actually parked at the spot that Cherry got off.

Like, she was parked in her car waiting for her own kids to come off the bus.

Oh, I guess I was picturing Cherry getting off the bus by herself, but there were like other people around when she got off the bus.

Yeah, so Cherry's bus dropped off a group of kids at one spot.

Some of them would walk to their homes nearby.

Some parents waited around for them to be dropped off and would pick them up.

It was like a bus stop situation.

Truly, yeah.

So I don't know if she's this witness who saw the blue car in the area, but she says she did see Cherry.

was maybe even the last to see Cherry.

Wait, could it have been her car that people saw if she's like parked there waiting?

No, I checked on this.

So reporting didn't say what color her car was, but I do know for a fact that the blue car was definitely separate from hers.

Now, to go back to what she saw, so Debbie told police at the time that she was sitting in her car waiting for the bus.

She saw Cherry get off like she did most days.

And according to an NBC News article, she said that the kids all played for a little while and then Cherry walked past her car in the direction of her home.

And then Debbie drove off with her kids.

Did she see the mountain skiing van?

She did.

She saw the same van the kids did.

And she even saw it trailing the bus beforehand in her her mirror.

I guess she was like parked on the side and waiting and could see like the bus pulling up.

But like it wasn't weird to her that a van was behind the bus.

I mean, it's not like it was doing anything other than driving down the road.

It's just like whatever car is behind the bus that and when the bus stops, everyone has to stop, right?

So like she didn't think much about it.

So it didn't like stop or do anything that made her think it was like after suspicion.

Right.

It stopped with the bus, but then it just kept going down the road.

No, again, stopped when the bus stopped and that's it.

But it didn't like pull over or anything.

She didn't see Cherry interacting with that.

It wasn't notable other than it was just like whatever car was behind the bus that day.

And to be fair, I mean, this van could theoretically have pulled off into a driveway or something before Cherry got off and waited until Debbie left.

But Debbie doesn't mention anything like this.

She just says she didn't see Cherry get into the van.

And like when Janice hears this, she's like, well, what I know is that Cherry would never have gone off willingly with strangers or left with someone without permission.

So her mom thinks if someone did take her, van or no van, it had to have either been someone she knew or someone who took her by force.

Do they know someone who drives a big van with the painting on it?

That's what I was about to say next.

They don't know anyone who drives that kind of van.

So then we're looking for a stranger.

Which means that the circle around Cherry is now infinitely wide.

Yeah.

And that's when local police bring in the help of the FBI.

And they start by looking into other disappearances where a blue or green van was either involved or seen nearby.

Okay, but what about the blue car?

You know, I'm not sure if they pursued the blue car or not.

For some reason, it just kind of stops being reported on.

It seems like their sights are totally set on this unique van.

And maybe that's because they do actually find disappearances and incidents involving possibly similar vans, but they're never the van and there are never any incidents that they end up definitively linking to Cherry.

Okay, outside of the other abductions, though, did anyone recognize just the van?

I mean, it feels like a really unique van.

Well, police said at the time that they were getting thousands of tips that they had to sort through.

But out of all of that, there was one van that was on police's radar.

Apparently, it belonged to a woman named Donna Patterson.

Her van was blue with a painting of a skier going down a mountain on the side of it.

Sounds familiar.

And she lived just five miles from where Cherry disappeared.

Now, according to the Pittsburgh Press, police looked into this van, but on the day and time of Sherry's disappearance, it was apparently parked at a local steel corporation where Donna's brother-in-law worked.

I guess he used the van that day and he was there working.

So when police confirm his alibi, they just rule him out and Donna and her van.

But that didn't stop people from harassing Donna.

She said that she constantly saw people like taking down her plate number.

And she says she got pulled over by police who thought that this was the vehicle connected to Cherry's disappearance.

But Donna said that she was not going to stop driving the van or even paint over it to stop the constant attention, which I think is what I would have done.

Yeah, immediately.

So it's not Donna's van.

That means police think there are two of these vans with these paintings on it

in town.

Or there's another one out of town.

Or this van's not connected at all.

But there does have to be another one who was driving that road that day because it's not just like Donna and her family are saying they weren't involved.

Like police are saying their van wasn't on the move when Cherry's bus stopped like at the bus stop.

I know, I even wondered, like, could someone have access to his keys while he's working?

Like, unless there is video surveillance of this van parked the whole time.

Why is the van there the whole time?

Yeah, and I'm not saying there isn't.

Like, I just don't know.

And this is where, like, these are one of those things where I tend to spiral.

I want to like map out the drive to work, what shift he was on, like, talk to every person who worked with him to see, like, how long it would have taken him to get to where Cherry's bus stop was and back.

And like, yeah, who had access to your keys?

Yeah.

I don't know.

Again, all police say this is not their van.

And also, I go back to maybe the van isn't connected at all.

But then why isn't someone coming forward saying like, hey, it was just me.

Like, I was just driving.

Like, that's my route to XYZ.

I'm just, I'm grasping here.

I'm trying.

And listen, I don't know if they just like take the alibi for it or if they even process the van forensically.

I would think so if they ruled it it out.

And especially I think that because I do know that they processed some vans that were kind of similar looking at that time, even if the van wasn't spot on.

But I go back to they never found the van and they never found Cherry.

Even despite some pretty big campaigns, like when her picture was featured on a rerun of NBC's Adam, which was about six-year-old Adam Walsh's abduction.

Cherry was actually the first missing child to have her picture printed on a postcard and sent around the country as part of the Have You Seen Me direct mail flyer program.

And she was one of the first missing children whose missing person's poster was placed on a milk carton.

That was a program that started the year she disappeared.

And according to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Nick McC is putting Sherry's information in different hotels in Canada and Mexico, even the UK.

So they're not ruling out that she was taken out of the country because, again, how infinitely wide is this circle?

When you don't have much to go off of, you can't rule anything

out.

But by 1998, Cherry's case is ice cold.

And that is when Janice has Cherry legally declared deceased.

She says she isn't moving on or giving up looking, but I mean, she had another child and she says she needed to come to terms with the fact that Cherry likely wasn't alive.

And over the next 30 years, she did her best to deal with that.

But in 2018, her entire world was upended when she received a letter in the mail.

And on a single sheet of wide-ruled notebook paper, someone had handwritten in block letters all the answers that she had been seeking for over 30 years.

And it was signed, Pastor Justice.

Now, I can't read you the note in its entirety because it has specific names that we don't want to share.

But we will put a redacted version of this letter up on the blog post and on social media for this episode if any of the listeners want to go take a look.

Basically, it says that Cherry was killed by friends of her biological father.

And these friends are part of a Quaker cult who helped, quote, make Cherry disappear for at least the guy Janice claims is Cherry's bio dad.

And like the motive for this was allegedly all to like evade him paying child support.

Now, The anonymous writer gives specific details on where Cherry's remains are in a place called the Lock 8 Dam, which is about 25 miles or like 40 minutes away, give or take.

And interestingly, they ended the letter saying, I pray you find some peace after you find her body.

Now, Janice told our reporter that she has no idea who these friends are that is like referenced in this letter.

And she's not even familiar with the area that they're talking about.

Well, and also, since when are Quakers kidnapping and murdering people, well, kids, I mean, they aren't they are known to be pacifists, right?

If you say so, I don't know enough.

But like, here's what I'll say.

It's like, and maybe because they haven't gotten anything in so long, police at least kind of seem to take this letter seriously.

Right.

It's something when they've had a lot of nothing for decades because she shows them this letter and they actually do go out and search this area.

But unfortunately, nothing comes of it.

So it is another dead end.

I mean, or an incredibly cruel prank.

Which, honestly, probably that because there is no evidence that anything in that letter is true.

But I don't know if this letter unleashed something or what.

But after this, in the same year, in 2018, she gets this phone call at work.

The person on the other end of the line thinks that she might be Janice's long-lost daughter.

Now, Cherry would have been in her early 40s at this point.

And so, as you can imagine, like Janice, she has spent so much of her life like deciding what she has to live with, right?

Like, so she's immediately skeptical.

She's like not convinced.

I have to imagine she like can't even let herself believe.

It sounds like a nice moment that you want to be excited for, but you also have to like steal yourself.

You can't get your hopes up at like anything or everything at this point.

Yeah, because the fallback down, if it is not them, could be worse.

Like you're undoing all the healing and forward momentum that you've made over the years.

And she had a good level of skepticism because when police compare this caller's fingerprints to cherry's.

Wait.

How do they have cherry's fingerprints?

They have them on file because they were actually taken to her elementary school.

So like, yeah, super useful.

I don't know if they do that anymore, but like probably should.

But when they do this, they determine that this woman isn't Cherry.

And even though, right?

Like, even though she was skeptical, like, Janice is still devastated because you tell yourself not to get your hopes up, but you still.

There's that little like spark, right?

Yeah, you still get your hope.

You're like, you wish that it could be true that she would finally be reunited with her daughter.

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What I'm about to share with you has never been reported on in this much detail before.

And it names a person who has never been connected publicly to this case before.

According to Janice, one day in the spring of 2023, she went to her local VFW to have a drink.

It was a regular spot for her.

She knew most of the locals who came in there.

But on this night, when she's sitting at the bar, she sees this man that she doesn't recognize.

And he's just staring right at her.

So finally, she's like, hey man, what's the deal?

And the guy just responds with her name.

But it's like a question, like he knows her, but he wants to be sure.

And it turns out he does know her.

She knows him.

He's someone that she grew up with, but she didn't recognize him at first because she hadn't seen him since they were like little kids.

Now, our reporter actually spoke with this man and he asked that we keep him anonymous because what he told us, the bomb that he dropped on Janice Janice that day could put him in danger.

He said that he knows one of Janice's neighbors, the one who lived across the street from them at Janice's mom's house before they moved to that trailer.

The guy's name is John Montgomery.

Now, this is a name that Janice knows well.

Cherry often played with other young kids over at their house.

And after Cherry disappeared, Janice says some of the family members would even check in with her weekly for updates.

But this guy says that he knew John well well too.

And he knew that John and another man were molesting Cherry before she went missing.

And he believes that they might be involved in her disappearance.

And in that moment, Janice's world is spinning because this is completely new information.

I mean, she didn't have so much as an inkling like anything like that could have been happening to Cherry.

She told us that a lot of the hallmark signs of abuse, like a sudden change in behavior or fear of being in a room with like certain people, Like she didn't see that in her daughter.

The only thing she ever noticed was that fear that someone unknown was watching her after she moved away from the house that was across the street from the Montgomery house.

And do you know how long it had been going on before she moved or before she went missing?

No, I have no idea how long the alleged abuse was going on before she disappeared.

Our source didn't have like a timeline for that.

And how does he even know about this?

So I have to keep some of the details back to protect his identity, but I can tell you he didn't always know this.

So it's not like he's like kept this secret for decades.

And he had tried to go to the police, but here's the scoop.

So he was from the area, but he had moved away.

And around 2010, he moved back to Pennsylvania.

It was after he moved back that he learned about John and this other guy abusing not just Cherry, but he says other kids in the neighborhood as well.

And the other guy, he actually named that other guy, but that is someone that we can't name at this point.

Now, when he learned about the abuse, he wasn't necessarily connecting it to Cherry's disappearance right away.

But one day he said he saw this old missing person flyer of Cherry with the blue car and the van that we talked about.

And that's when he realized that John Montgomery would have had access to a similar blue car around the time that Cherry disappeared.

And so this is when he said he went to police because this is obviously a major revelation.

And according to him, they took him seriously, even set him up with a wire to go confront John.

But he said while he was wearing the wire, John denied involvement and he basically blamed the other guy.

He also told us that police talked to John and this other guy, but I can't confirm any of that from police directly because like I said, they wouldn't talk to us.

Though I will say that authorities did tell a WPXI reporter, Rick Earle, that they did interview neighbors about Cherry's disappearance, but no one has ever confessed to anything related to Cherry.

So what about the other kids, though?

Did they investigate any of that?

That's the thing.

I don't think so.

It seems like when our source talked to police, it was the first they were hearing of any of these allegations.

So they hadn't been independently reported.

Like these kids, even as adults, hadn't come forward to them.

And we even went and checked court records and we didn't find any record for John or this other guy.

So nothing went through through on the legal side.

And I don't know how much police went looking for victims.

Right.

Now, John died in 2022, so I can't ask him.

And our attempts to reach this other guy were unsuccessful.

So do we think it's true and no one ever reported anything?

Or

I don't know.

I mean, for the guy to have no record and this be in his history is kind of wild to me.

It's wild, but it's not unbelievable if this is true.

I i mean we know that some adults don't report their abuse and for children those numbers skyrocket for sure i mean there's often a lack of understanding of like what is happening to them or like they're afraid of getting in trouble because even if they realize like what is happening is wrong often they blame themselves or they they get convinced that it's their job to protect their abuser right right and especially if it's someone they know their abuser will often tell them like oh i'm gonna get in trouble or like this is gonna happen to me or to you.

And like, I think that could fall in line with what police ended up telling CNN in 2011, that they ended up saying that Cherry was likely abducted by someone she knew really well.

I mean, literally, a Pennsylvania state trooper said, quote, I believe this person had the ability to basically lure Cherry to their vehicle without her giving it a second thought prior to her disappearance, end quote.

So it's totally possible for someone to operate like this and not have a record.

Right.

Possible, but did he?

Like, how do you even go about trying to run this down to find the truth of what happened?

Well, you need cooperation.

Right.

Which finally came this year.

That's why we're able to report this.

So when Janice found this out, that was 2023, remember, like, she didn't know what to do.

Yeah.

I mean, she didn't have a good relationship with investigators on the case.

So she felt isolated from what police had going on.

And so she didn't even tell anyone else.

Plus, we know that the guy who's telling her this already tried to go to police.

So like, what's she gonna do?

Right.

So she kind of just held it in for a couple of years.

But in 2025, Janice confided in her friend Bailey.

She basically told her, like, I'm at my wit's end.

Like, all I want is answers at this point.

And I feel like I am so close, but still just out of reach.

And bless.

best friends like Bailey.

She sees this as a cry for help and she just jumps into action.

Bailey starts pushing law enforcement to look into leads.

She creates a Facebook page called Find Cherry Mayhan and even starts a team called Cherry's Angels that ends up working with a private investigator, this guy named Steve Ridge.

And Steve pledges $100,000 for anyone who helps with finding Cherry's remains.

And so while Steve is doing his thing, Bailey starts looking into John Montgomery, trying to just find anything linking him or this other guy to child sex abuse.

So she's searching all avenues.

And one of those is on meganslaw.com, which is a website that keeps track of sex offenders.

And to be honest, she doesn't really know what she's looking for, but I think she's like trying anything.

And it almost is like this feeling for her of like, I'll know it when I see it, right?

So she's looking around, like in the area of both the house that Cherry disappeared from and her grandma's house that she lived in in Saxonburg.

And suddenly she sees the name William Montgomery, John Montgomery's son.

Now he goes by buddy and he'd already done time in prison by the time she came across him.

And that actually is where he is right now for failing to register as a sex offender.

He was locked up in 2022 and we don't know when he's getting out, but the max sentence for the failure to register is 54 months.

So it's likely that he'll be out sometime by the end of next year.

And we actually found his previous record.

So in 2004, he pled guilty to sexual assault, corruption of minors, endangering the welfare of children, and indecent assault.

He cut a deal with prosecutors and according to news reports, instead of 75 years in prison,

he got about two years behind bars and 10 years probation.

Okay,

I'm going to have to skip past that so I don't see red.

Did he live at the house across from Cherry's grandma at the time Cherry was living there?

So I am not exactly sure where he lived at that time.

But what I can say is that we interviewed several people who lived in the area at the time who say that Buddy was definitely around then.

So I don't know where he lived, but he was definitely around there.

And he was in his early 20s when Cherry disappeared.

So.

Bailey finds this.

She, of course, gives it over to police, but she and Janice haven't seen much come of them running down any potential leads.

So that's when Janice decides to take matters into her own hands.

And at the beginning of April this year, she just wrote to Buddy in prison.

She asks if she can come and talk to him about Cherry because she is trying to figure out what happened and she wants closure after 40 years.

And she acknowledges that his dad wasn't the greatest guy and says, listen, I'm sorry for all that you have been put through and have seen.

And it worked because less than two weeks later, Buddy actually responds to her.

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Buddy's first letter back to Janice is pretty vague.

He basically just says he wants to help.

So Janice writes him back asking, like, okay, put me on your visitation list because again, she just wants to get in front of this guy.

But it's weeks before he responds.

A letter does eventually come in mid-May and he apologizes for the delay.

He said he actually had a heart attack and he's been in the hospital, but he still wants to talk to her.

And so she just keeps sending him short messages asking, okay, great, I want to talk to you too, but when can I come see you?

Or when can we at least talk on the phone?

Yeah.

But she says that Buddy just keeps like dodging her.

So at the end of June, Janice schedules a visit to the prison anyway, but when she gets there, Buddy won't come out.

And I guess Janice tries to schedule another visit, but before that one happens, Buddy writes her this message.

And he sends it to the person that is helping Janice communicate with him in prison.

And I'll read what I can from him.

I just received word that Janice had made arrangements for a contact visit on Saturday.

So please let her know that I will not accept it until I have a chance to set things up the way I want it set up.

And how exactly is that?

She found out.

So he lays out those terms in more letters.

He says he wants his story televised for his own protection.

Now, mind you, we started communicating with Janice like while this was all unfolding.

I was going to say, just as a reminder, this is happening a few months ago.

Yeah.

So buddy wants a news organization.

Happy to help.

Like put us to work, Janice.

So we even sent Buddy a letter of our own in April, though I'm not sure if he received that one because he didn't respond to it.

So in late July, we decided to try again and we wrote to him on the prison email system asking if he would speak to us about the case because his name had come up.

And we sent him a list of questions, like a few times actually, about the things that we've heard.

And he finally responded with this.

After reading your questions, I am so disgruntled over the fact that you are hearing these lies and would want nothing other than an opportunity to sit down with you and talk.

Great.

So we kept pressing for that opportunity to talk for a phone call, but he kept avoiding us like he did with Janice.

So in the meantime, we tried to verify a specific lead that we heard about and we wanted to talk to somebody who knew Buddy.

So first was the lead.

So the PI, Steve Ridge, had gotten a tip from someone locally who knew the Montgomerys.

They told him that a backpack that may or may not have been Cherry's was allegedly submerged in a pond somewhere on the 28 acre Montgomery property sometime after Cherry's disappearance.

Interesting if true.

So we tracked down the person who gave Steve Ridge that tip.

They did say some similar things to us,

but the details they gave us about what actually happened were pretty hazy.

And for legal reasons, for now, I can't talk about it.

Okay.

And I'm not sure if the Montgomery property was ever searched in connection with Cherry's disappearance, which I think is like an interesting fact.

Yeah.

So TBD on the backpack, we're still looking into that.

I can tell you a little bit more about what we found when we tracked down a former friend of Buddy's.

His name is Mike.

Now, he lives in the area, says he's known Buddy for a really long time, and he'd gone to meet Buddy at his house one day, and he walked up on him having a conversation that I don't think Mike was supposed to hear.

I can't tell you the full details of this alleged conversation, but in it, Buddy was mentioning Cherry on the phone with someone.

And when Mike confronted him about it, he says that Buddy told him his dad, John, quote, chose her, and then went on to say that his dad was involved in her disappearance.

Now, there are a lot more details that Mike provided, and he says that he told police about this incident as well.

But again, I have not been able to confirm this with cops myself.

Because they didn't want to talk to us.

Got it.

We did, though, ask Buddy about all of this.

First about the backpack and if he knows anything about it.

He said, F no in not so bleeped out terms.

And in another more recent letter, we actually asked him about the Mike allegations, whether he was involved in Cherry's disappearance and everything that came up in our reporting of Cherry's case.

And he basically in a letter said he was going to send us a letter that he was going to be very direct in.

Okay.

And we were like waiting, holding our breath, like even put off doing this recording because that's what I was waiting for.

I literally just got it in the mail yesterday.

It is like eight pages long.

So I'm going to give you the highlights, but for my nosy nellies, I will be posting it on the blog post, probably heavily redacted.

But here's the gist: he says, quote, I also want to make it very clear to you, especially those who are formulating such moronic lies, and whoever else thinks/slash believes that I may have had anything to do with the disappearance of Cherry Mahan, to go straight to the enslavements of hell, end quote.

And then in another part, he says that we will find the truth when, quote, the right questions are asked to those within his, my father's, little circle.

I was never part of this circle, end quote.

So

a lot of the letter was really vague.

Like the gist of it, though, is that he says he never met or spoke to Cherry,

and he didn't even know that Janice had moved from across the street of the Montgomery house.

So he's like, I wouldn't even have known where to get her, where she was being dropped off after school.

So

I still don't feel like I have a full grasp on what it is he really knows, if anything.

But he says he didn't go to police or Janice with the information he still says he has because he doesn't want to spread a false narrative.

I don't understand that.

I don't understand what that means either.

And he added in the letter that he will talk to us, but he still has terms.

He says he wants to be interviewed on live television.

while hooked up to a polygraph exam.

And listen, I'm like still trying to make this happen.

I like, I, does like a live stream count?

I don't know, but like, I am still unable to like nail this guy down and actually set a time with him.

And we had to move forward and put this out there.

And this is where we actually need help from our crime junkies.

Someone out there knows more about Cherry's disappearance and can maybe help corroborate some of the stuff that I've heard.

that our reporters have gotten that we haven't been able to share in this episode.

Even if you've shared it with police before, reach out to us.

Like we're doing our own investigation.

So if that's you, please email us at tips at audiochuck.com.

We want to help Janice find closure.

She just wants to know what happened to her daughter and where she is.

And obviously, you guys, we've talked about some heavy topics in today's episode.

Child molestation, sexual assault.

I know it's hard to digest, but what I hope that we can take away from this beyond finding closure for Janice is that we need to protect our kids from strangers, from the people they know.

I mean, Cherry was always with Janice.

She always checked in and she was still taken so close to home.

If you are a victim of child sexual abuse or any kind of sexual abuse, I want you to know that there are resources available for you.

Rain has a national sexual assault hotline available 24-7.

You can call, text, online chat, even send them a WhatsApp message.

Free, confidential, always available.

We're going to have those resources linked out in our show notes.

And if you you need immediate help, text Hope to 64-673.

You can find all the source material for this episode on our website, crimejunkie.com.

And you can follow us on Instagram at CrimeJunkie Podcast.

We'll be back next week with a brand new episode.

But stick around because today we have the good.

Okay, Ashley, this is like your favorite.

Yes.

Your favorite thing to do when we're sitting on this this couch behind our microphones.

It is time for the good.

Hello, Ashley and Britt.

My name is Liv and I've been a listener since 2019.

Early days.

Ooh, jinx.

I'm writing to you because I believe your podcast saved my life the other day.

I was flying into Connecticut from Virginia alone.

My flight was delayed and I didn't land until 2 a.m.

It's a small airport, so at 2 a.m.

there are almost no staff members around.

I was walking to get to my rental car when I noticed a man was following me.

He started making small talk as he noticed my backpack, which indicated I worked in healthcare.

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Where are you from?

Are you visiting or do you live here?

They all seem so mundane, right?

But as we crime junkies know, this could be dangerous.

Because of what I learned from your podcast, I never gave him any information.

I kept my answers vague and moved to places where people were.

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That's when I became rude.

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I have my husband on the phone and multiple people tracking my location and waiting for me.

I was loud and caused a scene to get people to notice.

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True crime is so much more than storytelling.

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Maybe this guy was innocent, but I had to keep asking myself, what if he wasn't?

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Thank you, live.

I, those are the stories, right?

The best ones are like, well, nothing happened, and probably nothing would happen.

The best stories we ever hear are the ones that don't make it on our show, right?

Like, we say that all the time.

Did I tell you about the concert I was at where I was being like extra crime junkie?

No, but now you have to.

I was with my husband.

We went and saw Chris Stapleton and we were leaving.

We were leaving a little early because I'm 100 years old.

1000.

And I was tired.

And my eight sleep let me know that it was like cooling down my bed for me so I was like gotta go

um and there was like this like we were in the uber area waiting and there were like these two girls and I'm like overhearing this conversation of this like much older guy much older like 10 years who's wearing like a boot and he's like oh I'm from California or in Indiana and he's like I just like pick a city to go to a concert and I'm like nobody picks no one picks Indiana yeah and I told my husband I'm like literally sneak taking photos and my husband was like what are you doing he's got a boot on I'm like have you never heard of Ted Bundy?

Bundy had the fake.

Thank you.

Thank you.

So, watch out for yourself, ladies.

But if you're everyone, I'll also be watching out for you.

Know that I'm out there patrolling constantly.

So, if you were the two girls talking to the guy from California

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I'm from a very rural background myself.

My dad is a farmer, and my mom is a cousin.

So, like, it's not like.

What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club?

I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine years ago.

I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different.

On stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear.

On the 22nd of July, 2015, a 23-year-old man had killed his family.

And then he came to my house.

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