Who Killed the Radio Star?

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Speaker 3 All hit 96KPKE with a bird and the bee.

Speaker 4 I had a huge crush on him. He had this amazing voice.

Speaker 5 Very gregarious, very charismatic. And I think the passion that he had for people came through.

Speaker 6 He was the guy the whole town woke up to. Morning DJ, Stephen B.

Speaker 7 He was so funny, and he had such a great love of music. He's lovable.

Speaker 4 I mean, you just, everybody loves Stephen B.

Speaker 6 But soon, it was fatally clear that not everybody did.

Speaker 5 They came upon a body floating in water, shot him one time in the back of the head.

Speaker 4 I felt like I was in some late-for-TV movie. It's like this can't be happening.

Speaker 6 What did happen?

Speaker 6 Tonight, the hunt is on. A gleaming yacht.

Speaker 4 I thought, why did you get on that boat?

Speaker 6 A scheming businessman and a missing fortune.

Speaker 4 You're a multi-millionaire and you don't have any money.

Speaker 6 From high seas adventure to heart-stopping murder.

Speaker 5 I don't think I'll ever get another case quite like this.

Speaker 6 Who killed killed the radio star?

Speaker 3 Today's Tuesday, and here's what happened on this day in history.

Speaker 1 Down below the surface of the Pacific Ocean, on the far side of California's Catalina Island, is a silent current.

Speaker 1 Strange how it flows up to the swelling coastline of Santa Barbara, then just before the open sea, turns back to glide again past this storied island with, one sunny day in May 2006, someone in it.

Speaker 8 I have a saying that I'd rather be lucky than good.

Speaker 1 Ken Clark is now retired, but used to be a detective with the LA Sheriff's Department, had been at it a long time. as had his then partner Robert Martindale.

Speaker 1 But nothing like the case that literally floated to them on the a lonely reach of ocean out by Catalina would never have had the case at all, except.

Speaker 8 We were lucky that we had some boaters leaving Newport Beach going to Catalina Island and they came upon a body floating in the water.

Speaker 1 Just happened to see it. Just happened to see it.
That's a big ocean out there. Absolutely.
So the chances of it being seen are, what, needle in the haystack?

Speaker 8 Very slim.

Speaker 1 The sailors had spotted a flock of shrieking seagulls perched on top of a body. Looked like it had been in the water for some time.

Speaker 8 It was in extreme decomposition phase.

Speaker 1 Right. Bloated and barnacles had to potassium cells.
Barnacles already? Absolutely, yes. There was no ID on the body.
It was labeled John Doe and taken to the L.A. coroner's office.

Speaker 11 Well, initially, it was believed to be a drowning victim.

Speaker 1 But who was he? Identifying their John Doe posed a huge challenge.

Speaker 8 We could only say it was a human being that was it.

Speaker 1 Though there was one odd thing. Medical examiner pointed to the man's left hand.
Three fingers were missing. And clearly had been, said the examiner, for years.

Speaker 8 When the victim was young, he had an accident where he severed three fingers on his left hand.

Speaker 1 Which at least offered a slim chance of getting an ID.

Speaker 8 We were hoping if someone were to call and say, my friend is missing, tell us something about him.

Speaker 1 And then another piece of luck. Someone did call, looking for a friend he hadn't seen for weeks, a friend who had lost three fingers in a junior high school woodshop accident.

Speaker 1 And just like that, John Doe had a name and a whole remarkable life.

Speaker 8 Our victim will be identified as Stephen Bailey Williams.

Speaker 1 Stephen Bailey Williams, better known to his friends, family, and fans as Stephen B.

Speaker 3 Hall hit 96 KPKE Friday morning with a bird and the bee.

Speaker 1 A DJ with a distinctive voice and personality that had made him famous in the 1980s as part of the hip Denver-based radio show Stephen B. and the Hawk.

Speaker 12 Save, step over here and say a few words to the radio people around the country. Well, I think we can keep this short and simple.

Speaker 9 Get a real job.

Speaker 10 He was really at his professional zenith in Denver.

Speaker 1 Dyke Johnson and Stephen were friends for more than 30 years.

Speaker 10 They were the guys that really pioneered Two-Man Morning Radio. They were funny, they were great writers, they were great comedians.

Speaker 3 We've been over here at KPKE for about, what, 100 years?

Speaker 9 Well, let's see, it was 18

Speaker 9 years old.

Speaker 12 That's it, you know, temp as food gets when you're having a good time. That's so true.

Speaker 4 He's lovable. I mean, you just, everybody loves Stephen B.

Speaker 1 Young Sylvia Noland had a big crush on Stephen B when they both worked in a Hawaii radio station back in the early days. So she worked up her nerve.

Speaker 4 I went in and asked Stephen B. if he'd be my date to the Beach Boys concert, and he turned me down, and I was just just like devastated, you know.
And so I was sitting in my little sales cubicle, and

Speaker 4 the general manager walks in and he goes, I think you need to know something. And I said, what? And he goes, well, if you were a boy, he would have gone.

Speaker 4 And I'm like, here I am from West Virginia, 18.

Speaker 1 I'm like, what?

Speaker 4 And he goes, he's gay. It's like, oh, okay, well, I can accept that then, you know, so.

Speaker 1 And that very day, Sylvia and Stephen began a warm, lifelong friendship. Many afternoons spent lingering at this coffee shop, and many memorable evenings.
What were those dinners like?

Speaker 4 Oh, Stephen's an amazing cook.

Speaker 10 If you were patient, he was good.

Speaker 10 He was a phenomenal cook. But you had to be geared to eating at like 10.30 or 11, because he was the type of person that if he would talk to you, you would have his undivided attention.

Speaker 4 So by the time we would eat, it's like everybody's drunk.

Speaker 1 And then, somewhere in the middle of the 90s, the radio business seemed to tire of Stephen's huge, deep voice and happy style.

Speaker 1 He got a job in the winery business for a while, then went home to care for his ailing father in Southern California. And in 2003, when his father died.

Speaker 4 Oh, he was devastated.

Speaker 1 And then, in the depths of his despair, a window opened to a whole new set of possibilities. Stephen made a new friend who had just bought a yacht, planned to sail it around the world.

Speaker 1 Would Stephen like to go along, be the chef? Did he know anything about sailing?

Speaker 10 No, nothing at all.

Speaker 1 What did you think about that?

Speaker 10 He's excited about this. It's a nice diversion.
It's something for him to focus on after his dad died.

Speaker 4 I thought it was amazing. I said,

Speaker 4 I think it's awesome. I was really excited for him.

Speaker 1 But now, the dream, the voice, the happy-go-lucky charm, all gone.

Speaker 1 What happened to Stephen B?

Speaker 1 Did he fall overboard?

Speaker 1 In the harsh white light of the pathology lab, the coroner peered down at the body and made a pronouncement. Stephen B.
did not die of accidental drowning.

Speaker 1 Couldn't have because there was a bullet in the back of his head.

Speaker 6 When we come back, murder? Who might have wanted Stephen B dead? Clue number one, a multi-million dollar inheritance.

Speaker 10 He was bad with money and he was trying to manage the estate.

Speaker 6 When who killed the radio star continues.

Speaker 1 There had been so much promise in the air that spring of 2006.

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Speaker 1 All that fun on the radio was over, yes, but now he was all set to sail the world. Live a dream.

Speaker 1 And then he winds up floating face down seven miles off the coast of California's Catalina Island, a bullet hole in the back of his head. But who wanted him dead? And why?

Speaker 1 Detectives Ken Clark and Robert Martindale started by asking his friends. What did you find out about him?

Speaker 8 The thing I noticed about this case, and I give the credit to his friends, was he was surrounded by a group of very close friends that knew a lot about him. These are lifelong friends.

Speaker 10 He was just a great sounding board, somebody I'd call if I was angry, if I was frustrated, if I needed advice.

Speaker 1 He could talk you down. Or talk you up.

Speaker 10 He could do both, usually at the same time.

Speaker 1 And recently, Stephen had found a sounding board of his own, a new friend named Harvey Morrow.

Speaker 4 Oh, he's just a quiet, easygoing guy. He came up to him and said, oh my gosh, I'm such a huge fan of Stephen being the Hawk.
Stephen thought that was awesome.

Speaker 1 Stephen soon became fast friends with Harvey and his wife, Debbie.

Speaker 3 What did you think of Stephen?

Speaker 7 He was so funny, and he had such a great love of music, and he loved to cook.

Speaker 1 I thought, oh, this man's going to be perfect to go on a boat with us.

Speaker 1 Ah, yes, the boat. Harvey had a docked at the LA Yacht Club, a 69-foot beauty called the Elar Mara.
Harvey and Debbie had big plans for that boat.

Speaker 1 They talked about it ever since their their first date.

Speaker 7 He says, what do you want to do when you retire? And I said, I want to sail all over the world.

Speaker 1 It was her dream of a lifetime. And now Debbie actually found the man who shared it.
They married at the dawn of the new millennium, right here on the front porch of their new Texas home.

Speaker 1 All that adventure to look forward to.

Speaker 1 And now Harvey had invited Stephen to go along as chef on their beloved yacht. Stephen moved aboard, lived with them on the boat.
But before they set sail, there was some work to do.

Speaker 8 He'd bought this kind of basically old rusty tub, right?

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Greg Labano helped Harvey fix up the old tub. Greg fashioned all the stainless steel trim.
Felt a connection with Harvey, too.

Speaker 3 He was a Wall Street guy, investment banker, rejecting society.

Speaker 1 A little bit like you had. Yeah, yeah.
Kind of an outlaw mentality.

Speaker 3 That's what we wanted, you know.

Speaker 1 Though as Greg watched watched Harvey pour money into the boat, the flat screen, the teak, the $50,000 washer-dryer.

Speaker 3 Holy cat, you can buy another boat for $50,000. Sure.
He just wanted the biggest and the best of what he could get, you know.

Speaker 1 Before Harvey dropped out, he'd been in the investment banking business, had some old stock investments that finally paid off, he said. And so he plowed the money into the boat.

Speaker 1 along with what a still-working Debbie was able to contribute.

Speaker 15 He says, don't worry, you know.

Speaker 7 so what if you have to work another year?

Speaker 1 He said that? Yeah. What did you think? It's like, well, okay, work another year.

Speaker 7 But by that time, I'm in it. The boat's bought.
He's already sunk so much money into it. So it's like, let's just get this done.

Speaker 3 Can't walk away now. Right.

Speaker 7 Can't walk away now. Let's get it done.

Speaker 1 They did not ask Stephen to kick in a share, which was probably just as well, given how Stephen was with money.

Speaker 10 The creative side of his mind worked very well, but he was not a good money manager.

Speaker 1 Stephen Baby Williams, as his friends told the detectives, had lived hand-to-mouth most of his life. He was a radio guy, made good money,

Speaker 1 and spent it. Finance, not a strong suit, said his friend Doug Johnson.

Speaker 10 He was bad with money, and he was paperwork averse. He would just forget to file his taxes for a few years.

Speaker 1 How many years would he go?

Speaker 10 Oh, his record was eight.

Speaker 1 But then Stephen's father died, and the bad money manager was suddenly confronted with a windfall. Stephen inherited nearly $2 million, so now he'd have to manage real money.

Speaker 10 He was trying to manage the estate, trying to get things organized, which for Stephen was an almost impossible battle.

Speaker 1 But happily there was Harvey, the ex-banker, to help him get the money socked away. A nice safe tax haven offshore.

Speaker 10 Stephen had said he's helping me with stuff. He's a retired financial planner, investment banker.

Speaker 1 Just the sort of person I need right now.

Speaker 10 Yeah, and boy, this would be a real great help.

Speaker 1 But that was just business. What really caught Stephen's imagination was sailing around the world.
That is, if the boat ever got finished.

Speaker 4 Because every time he turned around, it was a new computer being put in or new paintings and fireplaces and satellite systems.

Speaker 1 And two bathrooms and its full kitchen.

Speaker 1 Well, never seemed to end. Two years passed, three years.
Stephen waiting and waiting.

Speaker 4 He had wanted to go to culinary school, but Harvey kept saying, oh, we're going to set sail soon. We're going to set sail soon.

Speaker 1 And then one day, without a word to anyone, Stephen simply disappeared.

Speaker 6 Coming up, the questions begin. Where was Stephen and what had happened to his newfound fortune?

Speaker 4 I said, how could this be? I mean, you're a multimillionaire and you don't have any money.

Speaker 6 When Dateline continues.

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Speaker 1 In the spring of 2006, ex-DJ Stephen B. Williams was ready, eager.
Any day now, he'd be setting off to sail around the world.

Speaker 1 And then suddenly, without saying a word to any of his lifelong friends, he vanished.

Speaker 10 I was worried sick. And we were all kind of having the same angst that he had just dropped off the radar completely.

Speaker 1 His friends called each other, compared notes. No one had seen Stephen for weeks.

Speaker 4 So I called Harvey, and I said, hey, Harvey, we're all really concerned about Stephen. Have you seen him? And he's all, well, he's over in Hawaii.
He went to Hawaii.

Speaker 1 Now, that was strange because Harvey told another friend Stephen went to Mexico. What did you think?

Speaker 10 I thought, well, Stephen wouldn't have gone to Mexico at gunpoint.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 10 it was completely out of character for him.

Speaker 1 Then Harvey's friend Greg, the stainless steel guy, said he noticed something strange about Stephen's usually cluttered cabin.

Speaker 3 It was completely sterile.

Speaker 1 Just

Speaker 6 nothing in it, not one loose object.

Speaker 1 It was as if Stephen had never set foot in here. And then those boaters made their shocking discovery.
Stephen faced down in the ocean. A bullet in his head.

Speaker 8 What was it like to get that news?

Speaker 4 Oh, it was awful. I felt like I was in some made-for-TV movie.
It's like, this can't be happening. None of us could believe it was happening.

Speaker 1 Detectives Ken Clark and Robert Martindale wanted to have a look at Harvey Morrow's boat, Stephen's last known residence, and they wanted to talk to Harvey.

Speaker 1 They got a search warrant, brought a whole team to the harbor, seized the yacht.

Speaker 1 When you first walked in, was it clean? Absolutely clean.

Speaker 17 Clean enough for you, and these are my words, eat off the floor.

Speaker 1 Pristine, in fact. And for all the diligent efforts of the forensic people, there was no sign of Stephen B's existence, no evidence he'd ever set foot on that yacht.

Speaker 1 They did find some high-tech navigational equipment, which they hoped would tell them where the boat had been, but when the expert analyzed it, he said it was never connected, it was never turned on.

Speaker 1 There was a manual for a handheld Garmin GPS, but only the manual.

Speaker 8 We went and we searched and we searched and we searched, and we just didn't find the GPS.

Speaker 1 Nor did they find Harvey Morrow. He seemed to have disappeared.
And that's when they started digging into Harvey's background. Just who was he anyway?

Speaker 8 Some said he was as wealthy as $12 million and more.

Speaker 1 Though when detectives talked to the neighbors here at the yacht club, at least one of them wasn't quite so sure that Harvey was for real.

Speaker 8 She says, me and my husband, we have money, we live on our yacht. I knew when I saw Harvey, that he was full of it because no one dresses like Gilligan and the skipper when they're living on a yacht.

Speaker 8 And yeah, Harvey always always showed up. These are her words.
He showed up in costume.

Speaker 1 And Harvey's employment history? Turned out it was not quite as gold-plated as Harvey had been letting on as the detectives discovered.

Speaker 11 I think everything Harvey's been involved with throughout his career in banking or stockbroking has gone belly up.

Speaker 11 Everything he's involved in seems to have some type of fraud involved, one con after the next. I don't think he's ever actually had a bona fide job where he's been there for a period of time.

Speaker 1 Which led to an obvious question: what kind of job had Harvey been doing managing Stephen's inheritance?

Speaker 1 Sylvia Nolan remembered shortly before Stephen vanished, somebody broke into the trunk of his car where he kept all his personal paperwork, his passport, his trust documents, all stolen.

Speaker 4 And I said, well, please tell me that the document between you and Harvey, you know, wasn't in there. And he goes, what document? And I said, well, you know, for him investing your $2 million.

Speaker 4 I said, you have something documented, right? And he goes, no. And I said,

Speaker 4 you gave some man you just met a couple years ago $2 million and you got nothing in writing?

Speaker 1 She told the detectives, of course. And they took a good look at Harvey's boat and soon learned something that probably should have been obvious all along.

Speaker 1 That fancy dolled-up tub with its pricey power winches, its expensive electronics, its polished teak washer-dryer, fireplace, was paid for practically every dollar by the unwitting Stephen B.

Speaker 1 That answer turned up in meticulous detail in Harvey's own ship's ledger.

Speaker 11 He put, according to his own ledgers, $1.7 million to that yacht.

Speaker 11 So almost the whole amount he took from Stephen went right back into that yacht.

Speaker 1 No wonder, said Stephen's friend Sylvia. No wonder the last time they went out to lunch, she had to pick up the check.

Speaker 4 He was so embarrassed, and I said, how could this be? I mean, you're a multimillionaire and you don't have any money. And he said, well, Harvey's got it all tied up in these offshore accounts.

Speaker 1 The detectives discovered Harvey Morrow had put Stephen's inheritance money to an offshore bank account in the British Virgin Islands, just as he said he would.

Speaker 1 But then he secretly brought it back to the U.S. in small increments and used the money to refurbish the boat.
Harvey just sucked up all that money, all of it.

Speaker 1 Stephen, by his own admission, a lousy money manager, trusting, vulnerable after the death of his father, was, said detectives the perfect mark.

Speaker 11 Stephen was no match for this man at all.

Speaker 1 Nor, apparently, was his wife, Debbie.

Speaker 7 I was really very much in love with Harvey.

Speaker 1 But as she now began to discover, the man she loved had lied.

Speaker 1 A house in Vale, Colorado, which he told her he owned outright, actually belonged to someone else. The money she said when she went back to work

Speaker 1 vanished. The auto insurance he told her he bought for her didn't exist.
And what he said was a $25,000 diamond ring he slipped on her finger when he proposed

Speaker 1 a fake.

Speaker 7 It's cubic zirconian.

Speaker 1 Just who was that man she married and believed she loved?

Speaker 3 I don't think Harvey even liked me.

Speaker 7 You know, love is not only blind in my instance, it's also deaf and dumb.

Speaker 1 But devastating as those lies were, Debbie couldn't bring herself to believe Harvey could kill.

Speaker 7 I never once thought it would be Harvey that would have hurt Stephen.

Speaker 1 And in fact, there was nothing definitive tying Harvey to Stephen's murder. No sign of any violent struggle.
Not a drop of Stephen's blood anywhere on the ship.

Speaker 1 If only the detectives could talk to Harvey. It turned out they'd just missed him.

Speaker 1 An employee of the yacht club told investigators Harvey was standing nearby in plain sight, observing as the cops scoured his boat. But by the time they heard that, Harvey was gone gone.

Speaker 11 From friends and knowing his past, there was some speculation that he would go south and he had some dealings in Belize before, and we believe that's possibly where he's heading.

Speaker 1 So they put out feelers. Belize, the Virgin Islands, Harvey's old haunts down there.

Speaker 1 But the trail went cold. Stevens' murder, apparently unsolvable.

Speaker 6 When we come back, a mysterious stranger surfaces hundreds of miles away.

Speaker 9 The more he would talk, the more intrigued intrigued I became.

Speaker 6 Could he hold the key to the case?

Speaker 17 Did you ever get any money from Stephen and put it in your account?

Speaker 6 When who killed the radio star continues.

Speaker 1 It was September 2006 when a smooth-talking stranger walked into Pete's auto dealership in Great Falls, Montana, and got himself a job as a used car salesman.

Speaker 8 He was quite the character.

Speaker 9 He wasn't your typical car salesman persona.

Speaker 1 Joe Parcetic was the finance manager at Pete's Auto. He was at the dealership the day the new guy started.

Speaker 9 He was very sure of himself to the point of a little bit smug.

Speaker 9 In Montana, where you have a lot of down-to-earth meat and potatoes people where they're very friendly towards one another, having somebody with a smug, cocky attitude isn't going to go over very well at times.

Speaker 1 Still, Joe was friendly in the way Montanas are known for. He gave the guy the benefit of the doubt.
One Sunday evening, they got to talking.

Speaker 1 Joe says the new salesman told him how he used to be a successful stockbroker at a beautiful lakefront home in Texas. They even looked up his property on Google Earth.

Speaker 1 So why on earth, Joe asked, would someone leave all that and come to Great Falls?

Speaker 9 He had shared that his wife and a couple of her friends had taken their yacht down to the Gulf of Mexico and were going to go sailing for the weekend.

Speaker 9 During that time, a storm ensued and the boat was capsized and his wife and her friends all perished along with the boat.

Speaker 9 So he had shared that looking at large bodies of water was just more than he can bear and he wanted to get as far away from that kind of environment as he could.

Speaker 1 And who did this tragic past belong to?

Speaker 1 Joe said the wealthy salesman told him his name was Harvey Morrow.

Speaker 1 Harvey was quite chatty with Joe, but one thing Harvey didn't know, Joe, his attentive audience, was a former police officer. And Harvey's amazing story made Joe's antenna buzz a little.

Speaker 9 The more he would talk about the loss of his wife and his boat, the more intrigued I became.

Speaker 1 So on his way home that night, Joe took a little detour, drove by the hotel where Harvey said he was staying.

Speaker 9 And when I drove by, I didn't find his SUB at that location that he said,

Speaker 9 which I didn't think suspicious at the time. But I still, for whatever reason, drove around to see a few other hotels or motels to see if I found his vehicle.

Speaker 9 And I located his vehicle at a place called Imperial Inn.

Speaker 9 Why would Harvey lie about something as benign as where he was staying?

Speaker 1 When Joe got home that night, he went straight to his office and turned on the computer.

Speaker 9 I entered Harvey Morrow's name on Google, and I was surprised what I had found.

Speaker 1 A simple Google search, and there it was, a news article describing the murder of disc jockey Stephen B. Williams.

Speaker 9 And Harvey Morrow was listed as a person of extreme interest.

Speaker 1 But if Harvey really was a fugitive, wouldn't he have changed his name? Maybe it was an awful misunderstanding.

Speaker 1 Still, Joe called the captain of Cascade County Sheriff's Department in Great Falls and told him what he'd learned.

Speaker 1 And it wasn't long before Sergeant Clark in California returned to his desk and saw the red light on his phone. There was a message.

Speaker 8 He said, understand you might be looking for Harvey Morrow.

Speaker 1 Wow. What did you think when you heard that message?

Speaker 8 Well, I was happy.

Speaker 1 It was another stroke of luck.

Speaker 8 You go to Montana because I'm looking for you down in the British Virgin Island. Everyone I talk to in Southern California says that's where you like to to go.
That's where you're going to be.

Speaker 8 Unfortunately for you, again, lucky for me, we got a retired cop that is not going to have a bleeding heart. He's going to have sympathy and empathy, and he's going to say, okay, great.

Speaker 8 But behind the doors, he's going to go run you on your computer and goes, oh, my goodness.

Speaker 1 Sergeants Clark and Martindale ordered a flight to Great Falls, Montana to pay the elusive Harvey a visit.

Speaker 1 Joe helped arrange a little meeting at the car dealership.

Speaker 9 I told Harvey yesterday I need you to go back out there and get this one particular vehicle prepared that one of his customers were coming back to look at it.

Speaker 1 And when Harvey stepped out front, officers from the Cascade County Sheriff's Department were waiting for him.

Speaker 8 They just walked up and said, Harvey, there's some guys from California who want to talk to you. Put your hand behind your back.
You're under arrest. Click, click.

Speaker 1 That was that. That was that.
It's very civilized, isn't it?

Speaker 13 Very civilized. Very civilization.

Speaker 1 You should all live like they do in Great Falls.

Speaker 8 I was impressed. I was very impressed.

Speaker 1 Police searched Harvey's Land Rover, discovered guns and ammunition.

Speaker 1 They loaded him into the back of a squad car, took him to the local sheriff's department, eager to hear what he had to say.

Speaker 14 My primary focus is about your vessel, Harvey. How much money did you put in that book? I don't know.

Speaker 10 What was your estimate? What would you think?

Speaker 14 I have no idea. It's over a period of long time.

Speaker 8 And so we wanted to key in on him. How much money did you have? How much money did you spend? Where did the money come from? And things of that nature.
He was very vague. It became pretty frustrating.

Speaker 17 Did you set up Stephen's trust fund?

Speaker 14 You lost it.

Speaker 17 Did you set up Stephen's trust fund?

Speaker 14 Stephen took care of his own stuff.

Speaker 14 Did you ever help Stephen with his finances after his father's estate sold? Yes, Stephen.

Speaker 17 Did you ever get any money from Stephen and put it into your account?

Speaker 14 We didn't pass money back and forth.

Speaker 17 How many times did you receive money from Stevens? Was it more than once?

Speaker 14 I don't remember.

Speaker 17 You remember how much money you got from Steven in total? No.

Speaker 16 You know?

Speaker 11 He was very vague. I believe he talked to us thinking he's going to help Sparta in that interview.

Speaker 1 Was he trying to prevent you from getting him on the record, pinning him down in a way that you could use it against him later?

Speaker 8 I felt that.

Speaker 14 You're asking questions that...

Speaker 16 But Harvey, you're a banker, man. You should know the answers to these questions.

Speaker 14 I don't want to to talk anymore.

Speaker 1 You done? Yeah.

Speaker 14 I mean, you're not telling me anything.

Speaker 16 Well, when I finish it, I told you I got a lot to tell you, and I do, and I will tell you.

Speaker 14 Tell it to my lawyer.

Speaker 14 Tell you to what? Tell it to a lawyer.

Speaker 1 Of course, he was going to need one. Harvey was extradited to California, charged with first-degree murder.
But for all the evidence that Harvey conned and stole from Stephen B,

Speaker 1 evidence of murder was pretty thin.

Speaker 1 at least without another stroke of luck.

Speaker 6 And that's exactly what they got. A missing piece of a puzzle discovered at last.

Speaker 8 He said, you need to look at the data that's in this GPS.

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Speaker 1 In September of 2006, Doug Johnson was walking on the beach, thinking about his friend of 30 years, the murdered one-time DJ, Stephen B. Williams.

Speaker 10 And I see this light on the beach. I thought, now, what can that be? I dropped my cell phone

Speaker 10 and it had landed face up, and the panel was lighting up. I walked over to it and I picked it up, and it was Ken Clark, Detective Clark, calling to tell me that they had arrested Harvey.

Speaker 10 It was a real great sense of relief. It was almost indescribable.

Speaker 1 Which is perhaps where the movie version of this story would end. But real life is not quite like that.

Speaker 1 For all the suspicion of Stevens' friends, the murder case against Harvey Morrill was rather weak. No evidence sufficient to prove that Harvey shot Stevens and dumped his body in the ocean.

Speaker 8 We were looking for Stevens' DNA on the boat, knowing that his death was caused by a gunshot wound. It was pretty obvious that there should be something that said, this is where it was.

Speaker 1 But there wasn't. No blood, no gun, no significant fingerprints.

Speaker 1 What they needed, couldn't find, was something that put the two men together on the far side of Catalina Island, where that current would have caught the body, carried it round to the spot where boaters saw it floating face down in the water.

Speaker 1 They hunted everywhere for Harvey's GPS, GPS, but they never found it. Months went by, Harvey sitting in jail, no luck for the investigation now.
And then a phone call.

Speaker 1 It was the commandant of Harvey's Yacht Club.

Speaker 8 He says, I found a handheld GPS in the library of our club.

Speaker 1 The commandant told them someone in the club had found the GPS wrapped in a napkin and hidden in the back of a club library cabinet.

Speaker 8 And he says that cabinet is in a position where Harvey Morrow always sits and reads all the time.

Speaker 8 And he showed us a Garmin C60, which exactly matched in the way it looked, all the manuals that we had recovered months earlier on that yacht.

Speaker 1 Here it was, the device they searched for on the boat and couldn't find.

Speaker 8 And he said, you need to look at the data that's in this GPS.

Speaker 1 Amazing thing. The GPS preserved in its memory in almost infinite detail its very last trip, which was as follows.

Speaker 1 May 4th, 2006, around 2 p.m., the GPS headed out toward Catalina Island, went to the backside, where it seemed to putter around aimlessly in the middle of the night, then returned back to the dock 6 a.m., May 5th.

Speaker 1 That little device seemed to pinpoint the place and time of Stevens' murder. But how could detectives be sure the GPS belonged to Harvey and was on his boat?

Speaker 1 And then, what do you know? Luck again.

Speaker 1 When Harvey bought the GPS, he took a friend.

Speaker 3 I was with him in the car when we picked it up. And it was such a cool GPS.
I've got one myself.

Speaker 11 That GPS was a pivotal point in the investigation that really kind of sealed this whole case together.

Speaker 1 But though the GPS evidence told detectives where Harvey's boat was the day Stephen was killed, How could they be sure Harvey and Stephen were together on the boat at precisely that time?

Speaker 8 Electronic data is fascinating nowadays. Oh, very fascinating.
Our cell phones, we can follow that signature. We were lucky again.

Speaker 1 Lucky this time because of Blackjack, Blackjack Cell Tower, Catalina Island,

Speaker 1 where both Harvey and Stephen's cell phones pinged together just where the GPS said they would be. After which, Stephen's cell phone went straight to voicemail.

Speaker 1 And Harvey sailed right back to his dock the next morning, where he was late for a prearranged fishing trip with his friends.

Speaker 8 They basically said he looked disheveled. He looked as if he had been up all night.
He was not himself.

Speaker 1 One question left. Exactly what happened on that fancy boat, the last moments of Stephen B's life.

Speaker 1 Doug remembered Stephen was angry over Harvey's handling of his money.

Speaker 10 He had said that he was going to have a come to Jesus with Harvey. He was going to confront Harvey about the money.

Speaker 1 Did Stephen confront Harvey over his lost fortune? Is that what led to this?

Speaker 11 Do you believe they were both on deck and he walked up behind them and just walked up, put the gun in the back of his head and pulled the trigger?

Speaker 11 Which can explain the lack of blood evidence.

Speaker 11 He just pushed him right over or he fell over.

Speaker 1 It took five years and over 30,000 pages of evidence. to build the case against Harvey Morrow.
Most of it hinged on a financial motive, all of it circumstantial.

Speaker 1 The detectives felt confident about the case they had so carefully assembled, while Harvey all the while maintained his innocence.

Speaker 1 And then, the very first day of the trial, the bombshell they didn't see coming.

Speaker 13 Coming up.

Speaker 4 I thought, oh my God, he's being set free.

Speaker 6 So many years and so many cons. Was there about to be another?

Speaker 6 When who killed the radio star continues?

Speaker 1 it had taken five long years to get to this point while harvey morrow was finally being tried for the murder of stephen bee

Speaker 1 police and prosecutors felt confident that is until the defense gave its opening statement and things took an unexpected turn.

Speaker 8 During the opening statement, it was said that the money that Harvey got from Stephen was money that was owed to Harvey in a loan that happened many years ago.

Speaker 1 Harvey loaned money to Stephen's father back in the 80s, the defense told the jury. They had a promissory note to prove it.

Speaker 1 Hadn't you encountered that along the way?

Speaker 8 No, it was part of the trust packet. And the trust at this point, The numbers I'm getting from the court were over 33,000 pages of documentation towards it.

Speaker 11 Quite frankly, we missed it.

Speaker 1 They'd missed evidence that seemed to show Harvey wasn't stealing from Stephen at all, had no motive to kill him.

Speaker 1 Suddenly, the whole case against Harvey, fragile to begin with, seemed in danger of falling apart. And amid doubt about the new evidence, the judge declared a mistrial.

Speaker 4 I thought, oh my God, he's being set free.

Speaker 1 But Harvey wasn't set free. Instead, the state appointed to the case its third prosecutor in five years.

Speaker 5 This was my first case of this particular type.

Speaker 1 Prosecutor John McKinney. How do you get ready?

Speaker 10 Quickly.

Speaker 1 His first task, to address that alleged loan between Harvey and Stephen's father, the issue that caused the mistrial. He spoke to Stephen's best friend and heard this.

Speaker 10 He said, I know it's a complete fiction. He said, I know it's fraud.

Speaker 1 And sure enough, when Prosecutor McKinney took a closer look at that loan document, Stephen's father's signature didn't match. Classic sign of a con job, said the prosecutor.

Speaker 1 Even the idea that there had been any sort of relationship between Morrow and Stephen Williams' father is nonsense, right?

Speaker 8 Bogus. Couldn't have possibly been.

Speaker 5 Couldn't have possibly been and wasn't corroborated by any evidence whatsoever.

Speaker 1 It's pretty much done. Now he was ready for the new trial.

Speaker 1 He showed the jury check by check how Harvey drained Stephen's accounts, all 1.7 million, in just three years, to dress up a boat that was never going to sail anywhere.

Speaker 5 The boat wasn't properly outfitted for a trip around the world. In fact, it was outfitted in such a way that suggests that it was just going to be a showpiece.

Speaker 5 It was going to be part of his con, part of the image that he liked to sell to people.

Speaker 1 Then, the prosecutor took the jury through the GPS and cell phone records and explained how that evidence put Stephen and Harvey together on the far side of Catalina Island.

Speaker 1 After which, Stephen Stephen vanished and Harvey told conflicting stories about where he supposedly went.

Speaker 5 I think the most damning evidence in this regard was the fact that despite having a history of calling Mr.

Speaker 5 Williams on a telephone over the years that they knew each other, He never called his phone one time after the day the victim went missing.

Speaker 1 That didn't mean Harvey killed Stephen, the defense said. Stephen B.
was so depressed about losing his career and his father, about getting older, that he killed himself.

Speaker 1 And the medical examiner testified it was possible Stephen could have shot himself. What was your opinion of the idea that he might have committed suicide?

Speaker 10 I think it was incredulous. I don't think he would have done it.

Speaker 1 Still, it was another explanation, and the jury would have to consider it. So now the courtroom waited and whispered, would Harvey take the stand?

Speaker 5 I told the investigators that I thought he was going to testify and they didn't think so. They thought I was crazy.

Speaker 3 What made you think he would?

Speaker 5 Well, he's a con man and he likes to talk and con men think they can talk themselves out of any situation.

Speaker 1 He was right. Sure enough, Harvey was confident, self-assured, had answers for almost everything.
He didn't steal Stephen's money, he said.

Speaker 1 He came up with a story that no one had heard before his testimony, Which was that Stephen actually owed him his entire inheritance to pay back a whole different loan.

Speaker 1 This second loan was verbal, said Harvey, done on a handshake. Undocumented, naturally.

Speaker 5 But Mr. Morrow thought he could sell it.
He is a con man and he told it with a straight face.

Speaker 1 Would jurors believe him? Stephen's friend Sylvia worried.

Speaker 4 You know, I was thinking, oh my gosh, what if he cons these people, you know, the way that he cons Stephen?

Speaker 1 And perhaps there was reason to worry. The jury stayed out for almost two full days.

Speaker 11 No, it was a long couple days, I'll tell you that.

Speaker 1 And then, finally.

Speaker 15 We, the jury in the above entitled Action, find the defendant, Harvey Morrow, guilty of the crime of willful, deliberate, and premeditated first-degree murder of Stephen B. Williams.

Speaker 4 Oh my gosh, they're all holding hands. And when they read it, we all started crying and just were so grateful.

Speaker 1 And Stephen's many friends poured into the the courtroom the day Harvey was sentenced. Doug Johnson read a statement for all of them: things he had to say to Harvey.

Speaker 10 For years, you ate his food, lived and worked on what he thought was a common goal, the whole time stealing from him and ultimately taking what was most precious, his life. You worship a false God,

Speaker 10 the God of arrogance, ego, and greed. Today, our nightmare ends.
Today, yours really begins.

Speaker 1 Harvey was sentenced to life without parole.

Speaker 1 After which, his now ex-wife, Debbie, invited us down to the pier, where she took Harvey's fake engagement ring and the other costume jewelry he'd given her. And.

Speaker 7 I threw them into the water as

Speaker 7 a tribute to Stephen.

Speaker 1 And his friends?

Speaker 10 Stephen was part of my family. He's part of the family you get to pick.
I can open a great bottle of wine and sit there and think about Stephen.

Speaker 10 The pain fades, the memories are sustained, and that's the part that, you know, that I'll just keep with me forever.

Speaker 4 The only way that I can kind of deal with it is I knew that he was eventually going to get on a boat and sail around the world.

Speaker 4 So I just kind of think of him out there, you know, he's out there somewhere.

Speaker 1 Out there like the happy-go-lucky free spirit on the radio. That's a good one.
The man they called Stephen B.

Speaker 3 Have a good weekend. Bye.

Speaker 6 That's all for now. I'm Lester Holt.
Thanks for joining us.

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