BONUS Interview: Josh Mankiewicz and Joe Exotic

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See CapitalOne.com for details. How'd you get the name Joe Exotic?

Years ago, back in 2003, 2004, I started doing educational shows at fairs and festivals

and stuff like that.

Little kids, I could never say my real name, which was Joe Spivable.

So they called me Exotic Joe.

And over the years, we just turned around and went with Joe Sonic.

There you go.

And a brand was born.

And a brand was born, yes sir.

How does one become the Tiger King?

You know, people on social media actually want to brand me with the Tiger King. You know, people on social media actually are the ones who are in and be with the Tiger King.

This is sort of the marketplace at work, right? I mean people don't really want to show up and see deer, but they do with tigers. Tigers and bears are very fascinating for people, you know, because they can feed the tigers with a pole and chunks of meat, and they can feed bears with a tube and marshmallows and cookies.
Are those things good for bears? That kind of food? Well, you know, a certain amount, you wouldn't want to make that an all-day diet.

So part of our diet plans were we were only allowed to sell so much junk food every day. Tell me about Cup Petting.
Cup Petting, we started that back in probably 2003. and it actually started in schools as an educational tool to talk to kids about the rainforest and habitat of tigers and different animals and how we're destroying their habitat.
And how old were the cubs that you'd bring into schools? Four weeks. It's okay to take a four week old tiger cub away from its mother?

That's not a problem? Okay well you gotta understand in captivity, first of all most of the mothers don't know how to take care of their young properly. During the summertime we deal with rat snakes, rouse snakes, copperheads crawling into the dens and eating the babies or biting the babies.

So we took them away most generally to actually save and take care of the little ones. So cub petting, people like cub petting.
It's a way to get close to animals in a way that they otherwise probably never would.

Right, right.

And, you know, it's the best way to educate people, too.

Again, the time people sit and they pet the cub and they've fallen along with this little baby tiger that they would normally never see in their lifetime, they leave with a little

more respect, though, trying to help us save the rainforest and their habitat by,

Thank you. in their lifetime, they leave with a little more respect of trying to help us save the rainforest and their habitat by, you know, recycling and using products that are not

from the rainforest.

So, education tool there is.

Was cup betting lucrative for you?

You make a lot of money off that?

Well, I mean, it is what paid the expenses to build the park to be what it is today. And to the charge that you're exploiting animals for profit your answer would be what? You could see where all the money went in large cages and brand new cages and taking animals that no one else would take in.

There's a video where you're shooting a Carol doll that anybody can see on the internet. You've spent a lot of time speaking very disparagingly and in a very hostile way toward her.
But this is way beyond some passionate argument about animal rights. asking.
You know, but the crazier we got on the show and the more outlandish we got, the more viewers we got. We tried real calm animal shows and we didn't get that many viewers.
When we turned it into Joe Don Laud and curved it more like Jackass the movie, man, people people just they loved it I don't, why? I don't know. You know, and it got to the point that we had fundraisers for other facilities and hell, I raised $20,000 in two hours, you know, sometimes because we had that many viewers from being that crazy.
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An inmate at the Grady County Jail. Joe Gone Wild is the kind of TV show most people never see.
That was the most watched show. So we did bring some animals on time to time, but the way that the guys built the website was it had a chat room on the right side of the TV screen.
And when you logged in, you could chat with people that were all watching the show anywhere in the world, and you could talk to me. So it was interactive as well as just the television show.
Right, right, right. And the more outrageous it got, the more viewers you got.
Oh, and it even developed from there.

Then, in the chat room,

you could dare us

to do stuff and

you could make a donation

to the zoo. You'd call the office

and the girls would take your credit card

and make the donation and we would do the dare.

And to give you an example,

I don't know if you've ever run into the adult

diaper people on Facebook. They're not my favorites, no.
Okay, well, that's a crazy group to ever have follow you. So one night, this person bears us to wear an adult diaper through the rest of the show and gave us $500 for the animals.
So hell, you know, $500 for 15 minutes of wearing the apples with them diapers on. And it just got crazier from there.
And the crazier that we got, the more money they donated to the zoo. Sounds like you understand television pretty well.
Yeah, I mean, it's just the way it was.

And then, you know, we didn't just make money for the zoo.

We actually turned Joe Godwild into a good thing, too.

And that was we would have auctions at certain nights in order to raise money for different

charities and, you know, little kids that were sick that had a last wish and stuff like that. Let me switch gears a little bit here.
Why did you want to get into politics? Why did I want to get into politics? Because of the exact same reason why I'm in jail. The Endangered Species Act or trying to have somebody killed? Laws like the Endangered Species Act because Oklahoma introduced over 3,000 bills last year during the last election.
And 3,000 more bills and deducted that take your rights away.

You actually wanted to change some laws. I write a lot of letters to senators and congressmen and everything else.
And you never hear back from them. Ever.
I made a big one. I was like, how do me and you ever get hurt in this country? Would that have to be something stupid? Like blow something out of her or whatever.
woke up the next morning and I signed my name to the government, and I'm the president of the United States, and I made access to 37 ballots on my own. And the idea was just to sort of improve customer service.
Well, this was about what's right or wrong, and it got to where I enjoyed politics more than I enjoyed the zoo.

Well, that's what I mean.

You were saying, you know, you write letters, nobody ever returns them.

So you thought, you know, one night, maybe I'll do it myself.

And America would experience sort of better customer service from their politicians if you were elected. Yes.
Yes. Let's get to the other thing that got you in legal trouble.
The government says that on two different occasions, you approached different people with plans to kill Carol. True or false? False.
You didn't want to kill Carol? Yeah. Carol was the furthest thing from my mind.
Joe, I don't think Carol has ever been the furthest thing from your mind ever since Carol first entered your mind. It sounds like you've had a really long feud with her, and the two of you have gone back and forth, and you've cost each other a lot of pride and a lot of money and a lot of business and now this has ultimately cost you your freedom.

Joe's not done fine.

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You know, after all the threats and all the fights and all the courtroom battles and all those videos, it does not seem impossible that you would have lost your temper at Carol to the point where you would think about hiring somebody to have her taken out. No, because it wasn't making any difference because I was already exiting the zoo in the industry.
But isn't this about more than just whether or not you were in the zoo business? I mean, this was a long time sort of Hatfields and McCoys battle

between you and Carol. It doesn't strike me as crazy that maybe you would have wanted

to have her killed.

Why would I have wanted to? Because she, she, she had the industry. I was done with it.

Well, at the end of the trial, when the jury went out, you feel confident?

You think you're going to get acquitted?

Even the lawyers thought we were going to get acquitted.

So that verdict must have come quite a shock.

It comes to a shock to everybody.

Even some of the reporters that were in there, because the day before, they took just a comment

Thank you. They'd come to a shop to everybody, even some of the reporters that were in there, because the day before, they took just a common sense of how it was going.

And the reporters were even like, Joe, I think you got this.

If you had kept your feelings about Carole Baskin to yourself,

if you had not spouted off about her, if you had not continued this feud, I understand you can't control what she does, but you could control yourself. If you had just shut up about Carole Baskin, I'm thinking you and I would be having this conversation face to face because you wouldn't be in lockup.
Man, you and my husband said exactly the same thing. Me and my big mouth is what got me in here.

Because my big mouth is what made it so easy for them to set me up.

Do you think you got a shot at a presidential pardon here?

I think I have a shot of honesty and justice prevailing at some point. Yes.
All right. Good luck.
I appreciate it. Thank you for talking with us.
All right, buddy. Thank you.
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