Devil's Bargain

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Speaker 5 Tonight on Dateline.

Speaker 4 The video of Kelsey in the supermarket. She's just like any mom at the grocery store.
I mean it is snowballed into this big mystery.

Speaker 6 Kelsey would never ever have abandoned her baby. Never.

Speaker 7 I'm trying to find a missing person. The supervisor asked me to interview a girl named Crystal.
We didn't really have any idea who she was.

Speaker 8 Blood all over the floor.

Speaker 7 I saw blood up the wall.

Speaker 9 She told us everything.

Speaker 10 Where did you start pulling up first?

Speaker 4 I started picking up things that were blood-spotted. This woman knew about a murder, covered it up.
The things that were thrown into the fire by me were the belongings from Kelsey's house.

Speaker 11 She could have stopped this from happening.

Speaker 7 He had a hold on her that he totally exploited.

Speaker 12 The mom who vanished on Thanksgiving Day.

Speaker 7 An elaborate plot with an evil twist.

Speaker 4 This whole thing is crazy.

Speaker 6 Took my breath away.

Speaker 5 I'm Lester Holt and this is Dateline.

Speaker 16 Here's Andrea Canning with Devil's Bargain.

Speaker 17 Was there any blood on the TV? Do you remember?

Speaker 10 Yeah, there was blood on the TV.

Speaker 18 Okay.

Speaker 4 There was blood on the chairs. There's blood on this chair.
There's blood on the table. There's blood on the hobby lobby bag that was sitting there.

Speaker 4 You're witnessing something highly unusual. A woman at the center of a murder investigation reconstructing the scene of the gruesome crime.

Speaker 17 Can you tell me what you saw in here and what you cleaned up?

Speaker 9 There was a lot of blood.

Speaker 10 White at the top of the toilet.

Speaker 4 I turned on. Her name is Crystal Lee Kenney.

Speaker 4 A mother of two.

Speaker 19 And this is where the burn occurred.

Speaker 4 And a key player in the murder case of another young mom.

Speaker 10 I also threw in all the clothing that I was wearing into iron.

Speaker 4 Watch carefully. Is she a witness, an accomplice, or something else?

Speaker 4 And was the sentence she received fair and just, or just the opposite? You called this making a deal with the devil.

Speaker 21 I did.

Speaker 4 We'll take you inside the investigation.

Speaker 4 You'll hear from the investigators who cracked the case.

Speaker 5 It was horrific.

Speaker 4 And from family members living through it all.

Speaker 11 I still wait for it to call.

Speaker 6 Really? Dr. Kelsey can't be gone.

Speaker 4 Our story begins with a most unremarkable scene.

Speaker 4 November 22nd, 2018. A mother with her baby was captured on security camera at a local store in Colorado.
buying last-minute groceries for Thanksgiving dinner.

Speaker 4 The video would go viral because it was the last time she was ever seen in public. Her name, Kelsey Bareth.

Speaker 4 More than a week after that Thanksgiving day, Kelsey's mom Cheryl was home in Idaho with a nagging feeling. She'd last spoken to her daughter on the phone Thanksgiving morning.

Speaker 4 Kelsey was preparing to have dinner with her fiancé Patrick Frazey and their daughter Kaylee.

Speaker 22 Small talk, basically. She'd fix Kaylee cinnamon rolls, you know, kind of celebrate Thanksgiving and Kaylee didn't like them.
She wanted the honey nut Cheerios.

Speaker 4 Two days after that, Cheryl received a text from Kelsey's phone saying, I'll call you tomorrow. But Kelsey didn't call.
At first, that wasn't surprising.

Speaker 4 Kelsey juggled motherhood, as well as looking for a home so she and Patrick, who lived on a ranch with his mom, could move in together. She also had a demanding job as a flight instructor.

Speaker 22 She's a busy lady. She works long shifts.
She spends, you know, a lot of time with Kaylee. It takes a lot to be a mom, a working mom.

Speaker 4 Still, Kelsey rarely went this long without calling. So after about a week, Cheryl called Kelsey's fiancé, Patrick.

Speaker 4 He told her he'd last seen Kelsey on Thanksgiving Day when he'd picked up their daughter. And then he said something that took Cheryl completely by surprise.

Speaker 4 He told her Kelsey had called and had broken up with him and seemed to have taken off.

Speaker 22 I can't think of anywhere she's ever gone that she hasn't told me this is the plan. It's just not in her character to just take off and be gone.

Speaker 11 Cheryl called to ask if we've heard from Kelsey.

Speaker 11 And we hadn't.

Speaker 4 Scott and Kim Morin are Kelsey's aunt and uncle. The family was growing more anxious by the minute.
I remember laying in bed just calling Kelsey's phone,

Speaker 4 leaving a message to have her call me. It was now 10 days since Cheryl had last spoken with her daughter.
She called the police.

Speaker 4 What happened on day one of this investigation?

Speaker 23 December 2nd was day one, and Cheryl Bareth called in a missing person for Kelsey.

Speaker 4 Chris Adams would become a special agent in charge with the Colorado Bureau of Investigation.

Speaker 4 But back in December 2018, he was with the Woodland Park Police Department and led the investigation into Kelsey's disappearance.

Speaker 23 And officers were dispatched. They initially went out to her house, tried to make contact, were unable to.

Speaker 4 No one answers? Correct.

Speaker 4 Cheryl's anxiety turned to panic. She and Kelsey's brother set off for Colorado.

Speaker 4 She calls us back and says Clint and I are flying down.

Speaker 6 Pray.

Speaker 4 It's like chilling, even just hearing you say that. Yeah.

Speaker 4 As Kelsey's family agonized over her whereabouts, investigators went back to her condo.

Speaker 23 We're just trying to find evidence of where she may have gone.

Speaker 4 Did she leave behind her phone, her purse, anything that would be out of the ordinary?

Speaker 23 We never found her phone, her purse, or her keys. Both vehicles were out in the driveway.
She's got a black sedan and a red Chevy truck.

Speaker 4 Also in the condo, investigators found Kelsey's makeup bag, something her family said she never traveled without. On the stove, cold cinnamon buns.

Speaker 23 It was that evening. I realized certain things weren't adding up.
The cars there, but not the keys.

Speaker 16 You know, she's a young mother, she's not with her kid.

Speaker 23 So I requested assistance from the FBI and CBI.

Speaker 4 Greg, that's when you enter the case?

Speaker 24 Yes.

Speaker 4 Greg Slater, also a special agent in charge with the Colorado Bureau of Investigation, drew on more than 35 years of experience in law enforcement. And what are your initial thoughts?

Speaker 9 You know, first, you're thinking, all right, you know, we have a missing mom, check inside the house to see if there's any type of a struggle that may have taken place.

Speaker 9 We recommended that they start calling around to local hospitals to see if she was there.

Speaker 4 By now, investigators had found a grocery store receipt on Kelsey's kitchen table. It was dated November 22nd, Thanksgiving Day.
They pulled the security footage from the grocery store.

Speaker 4 And there was Kelsey. They started to build a timeline of her whereabouts.
Meanwhile, Cheryl and Kelsey's brother arrived in Woodland Park and stayed at Kelsey's condo. They spoke with investigators.

Speaker 4 Cheryl recalling her last conversation with Kelsey Thanksgiving morning.

Speaker 22 She's been happy. She's been...
wanting to decorate for Christmas and excited about that. She was planning her her Christmas list.
Her job was going well.

Speaker 4 Investigators also spoke with Kelsey's fiancé, Patrick. Was Patrick cooperative?

Speaker 6 He was.

Speaker 4 Patrick told investigators the same thing he told Cheryl. He had last seen Kelsey Thanksgiving Day.
He said he picked up baby Kaylee in the alley by Kelsey's home.

Speaker 4 He also went to the local credit union and Walmart and tended to his cattle in the afternoon. Sure enough, security camera footage showed him at the credit union and Walmart.

Speaker 4 Patrick also gave the investigators his cell phone. What do you find on Patrick Frazi's phone?

Speaker 9 Oh, we find the text message exchange between Patrick and Kelsey.

Speaker 4 Investigators found texts that backed up his story that Kelsey had broken up with him on the phone two days after Thanksgiving.

Speaker 4 Patrick had messaged, if this is truly what you want, I'll respect your wishes and give you space. Let me know if you change your mind.
I'll leave you alone now.

Speaker 4 You can call me when you decide what you want to do. Text messages the day after showed Kelsey in distress.
One read, do you even love me?

Speaker 4 And Patrick replied, why would I bend over backwards and stand behind you through everything if I didn't? So to answer your question, yes, I do.

Speaker 4 He told investigators that was the last time he heard from her. Kelsey's manager at the flight school said he also received a text from Kelsey's phone.
What did it say?

Speaker 23 Not to expect her in that she's going to visit her grandmother.

Speaker 4 And investigators had to consider Kelsey's profession as a pilot. Did you look at airports that maybe she had taken a plane somewhere to get away?

Speaker 23 Personally, I did.

Speaker 4 No flight plans were filed. No sightings of Kelsey.

Speaker 7 No.

Speaker 4 To find Kelsey, the investigators needed to know more about her. They dug deeper and uncovered a complicated life.

Speaker 26 When we come back, we are treating Kelsey's disappearance as a missing person's case at this time.

Speaker 5 Where was Kelsey?

Speaker 22 Kelsey, we just want you home. We won't quit looking.

Speaker 5 The mystery was just beginning, and one woman would hold the key.

Speaker 4 We didn't know how vital she was going to be.

Speaker 9 She was smart enough to realize that I can't hide this anymore.

Speaker 11 Part of me wants to strangle her, part of me wants to hug her.

Speaker 4 Fearless, determined, always up for a challenge. That's what Kelsey's mom, Cheryl, was telling investigators about her daughter, who'd vanished on Thanksgiving Day.

Speaker 22 She's a good person. She's very dedicated, very loyal, reliable.
She loves God.

Speaker 22 I couldn't ask for a better daughter.

Speaker 4 Kelsey grew up on her family's farm near Moses Lake, Washington, about 100 miles from Spokane.

Speaker 11 Kelsey was a light.

Speaker 6 She lit up a room.

Speaker 6 She lit up your heart.

Speaker 4 Kelsey's uncle, Scott, is a pastor at the Homedale Friends Community Church near Boise, Idaho. He and his wife, Kim, had a very close bond with Kelsey.

Speaker 4 She was smart. If she was determined to do something, she fought.
She put it all in.

Speaker 4 She was an incredible woman to watch.

Speaker 6 You wanted to be with Kelsey.

Speaker 11 You wanted to hang out with her. You wanted to hear what she had to say.
At some point, she's going to make you laugh.

Speaker 4 Kelsey discovered her lifelong passion at a very young age.

Speaker 11 She loved thinking about flying, from watching crop dusters on the farm.

Speaker 4 She actually wanted to be a crop duster for a time.

Speaker 11 That would have been her dream job for a time was being a crop duster.

Speaker 4 You don't hear that every day from a little girl.

Speaker 11 No, I think it was exciting. She was fascinated with it.

Speaker 4 She loved a challenge.

Speaker 4 After high school, Kelsey enrolled in a flying program at her local community college.

Speaker 4 Kelsey graduated and eventually landed a job as a flight instructor in Spokane. She also dipped her toe in the world of online dating.
And around Christmas 2015, someone piqued her interest.

Speaker 4 His name was Patrick Frazey.

Speaker 11 We knew he was a rancher. We knew he was successful.
At the time, we knew that he was a farrier.

Speaker 4 As a farrier, Patrick trimmed and shoed horse hooves.

Speaker 4 He lived on his family's ranch, more than 1,100 miles from Kelsey in Florescent, Colorado. But the distance didn't seem to matter.
Over the next year, their relationship flourished.

Speaker 11 I think they were online interactions for months. He came down and they met each other in person.

Speaker 11 It was, I don't know, a few months later. we found out that she was heading to Colorado.

Speaker 4 In 2017, Kelsey found work with DOS Aviation, a flight school for U.S. Air Force trainees.

Speaker 11 She was sort of getting the best of both worlds, being able to fly, being able to have a ranch. She loved being outdoors.
So

Speaker 11 this was good. This was good news.

Speaker 4 So you must have been happy for her.

Speaker 29 Yeah.

Speaker 4 And there was more good news. Kelsey and Patrick learned they were expecting.

Speaker 4 She always wanted to be a mom. She always wanted a family, pilot and family.
That October, they welcomed daughter Kaylee.

Speaker 11 As soon as Kaylee was born, she was loved.

Speaker 4 In May 2018, Kelsey moved into a condo in Woodland Park. It was a 20-minute drive from Patrick's family ranch, and the flight school was about an hour in the opposite direction.

Speaker 4 It was a stressful situation as the new parents took turns caring for Kaylee.

Speaker 4 Patrick was a hands-on dad, often taking Kaylee with him on farrier jobs while Kelsey was away at work.

Speaker 30 He had these little wool socks that he put on on top of her other socks.

Speaker 4 Clint Klein, a longtime client of Patrick's, saw firsthand how Patrick doted on his daughter.

Speaker 30 He had this little jumpsuit for her and he kept her where he could see her and he took very good care of that little girl.

Speaker 11 While one was working, the other one had her and vice versa. They seemed to have that going pretty well.

Speaker 4 So everything's coming together for Kelsey. Right.

Speaker 4 Perhaps not everything. As investigators put together their timeline, they found that by Thanksgiving, Kelsey appeared run down.

Speaker 4 The day after the holiday, Patrick received a text from Kelsey's phone saying, actually, do you mind keeping Kaylee tonight? Sorry, I'm really tired and stressed out.

Speaker 4 Call me in the morning when you guys wake up. Patrick replied with concern, sure, I don't mind.
What's going on? Are you okay? Do you need anything? Or can I do anything?

Speaker 4 The response seemed to come from an exhausted Kelsey. No, I'm fine, just worn out.
Talk to you guys tomorrow. Not long after that, those texts dried up and no one seemed to know where Kelsey was.

Speaker 4 But Patrick's friend Clint had an idea. He said he knew of another side of Kelsey altogether.

Speaker 5 Coming up, new questions surrounding Kelsey. Had she vanished before?

Speaker 32 She disappeared for some time frame.

Speaker 4 Disappeared.

Speaker 30 He didn't know where she was.

Speaker 5 And where was her gun?

Speaker 4 Does that concern you at all that the gun's missing?

Speaker 11 It does.

Speaker 12 When dateline continues.

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Speaker 4 As police stepped up the hunt for missing mom, Kelsey Barroth, her disappearance made the news.

Speaker 26 We are treating Kelsey's disappearance as a missing person's case at this time.

Speaker 4 I'd just like to talk to you a little bit about Kelsey. She's not the kind that runs off.
This is completely out of character.

Speaker 22 Kelsey, we just want you home.

Speaker 22 Call us if you can, and we won't quit looking.

Speaker 4 Patrick did not attend the news conference about his missing fiancé. Four days later, police served a search warrant at his ranch.

Speaker 16 A lot of developments over the weekend in the search for that young Colorado mother who vanished mysteriously more than three weeks ago now.

Speaker 4 On Patrick's ranch, they took these photos, including this one, Patrick's list of what he did the day Kelsey disappeared.

Speaker 9 He had written down, picked up Kaylee, ran errands, went to Walmart. Then he puts check cattle and has him home having Thanksgiving dinner.

Speaker 30 They had come in, they had checked his place, and, you know, they didn't find anything.

Speaker 28 They were moving on.

Speaker 4 Did he sound upset at all?

Speaker 7 Sounded concerned.

Speaker 4 But Patrick's friend, Clint, wasn't especially concerned that Kelsey was missing. He says Patrick had already confided to him.

Speaker 4 Kelsey had issues and sometimes just took off by herself, leaving Patrick and the baby.

Speaker 32 She disappeared for some time frame.

Speaker 4 Disappeared.

Speaker 30 He didn't know where she was. She left, and then the next thing he knew, she had checked into a rehab.

Speaker 4 What did he think happened during those days?

Speaker 29 He didn't know.

Speaker 30 He just said that after she got out of the rehab that first time, she went into rehab a second time is what he had told me.

Speaker 4 Alcohol, drugs.

Speaker 30 What I gathered was it was alcohol.

Speaker 4 Clint believed maybe Kelsey's Thanksgiving disappearance was another relapse of of some kind.

Speaker 4 When you first heard that Kelsey had disappeared, did your mind go back to those times that Patrick had told you about the fact that she would disappear?

Speaker 30 Yeah, that's what my first thought was, is, well, she's in rehab again somewhere and she'll show up. You know, that 20 days or so, whatever the rehab timeframes are, that

Speaker 30 she'll show back up.

Speaker 4 But Kelsey didn't show back up. You don't know anything about this woman.
So is that one possibility that you have to consider, that she willingly disappeared or that she took her own life? It is.

Speaker 4 As the investigators delved into Kelsey's past, they didn't find any evidence of drug or alcohol abuse, but did find about three months before Thanksgiving, Kelsey had been to a clinic that treats depression.

Speaker 9 It's a facility in California where clients pay to go to get over some depression.

Speaker 9 sleep deprivation, anxiety, things of that nature. And it was a 10-day clinic.

Speaker 9 So it's just more to give Kelsey an opportunity to get back to a position where she felt that she could function better, both as a mom and as a pilot.

Speaker 4 Kelsey's not in the best frame of mind she's ever been. To go away from your child and to go to

Speaker 4 a facility like that, you know, says to me she needed to clear her head.

Speaker 43 I think she was just worn out.

Speaker 9 And she's trying to figure out, why am I tired? Why am I feeling, you know, maybe a little depressed.

Speaker 4 A thousand miles away near Boise, Idaho, Kelsey's family knew she had bouts of fatigue, but said her problems weren't bad enough to make her run away.

Speaker 11 I don't think she suffered from depression more than anyone else does.

Speaker 4 Especially when you're so tired. And new baby.

Speaker 6 A new baby. Yeah.

Speaker 11 I would say she had a down day. You know, there was times she was more tired and needed some rest.

Speaker 11 I would never put her in that category of depressed.

Speaker 4 Yeah, she definitely had a lot on her plate. She did.

Speaker 4 Patrick had already told police he and Kelsey broke up over Thanksgiving. He said in the days that followed, they continued texting to tie up loose ends.

Speaker 9 He and Kelsey have decided to end their relationship, but other than him returning property that belonged to Kelsey, her car keys, her gun.

Speaker 9 That was the extent of it.

Speaker 4 The whereabouts of Kelsey's gun was a cause for alarm, especially when investigators recalled one of the text messages from Kelsey's phone to her mom on Thanksgiving. It read, We went shooting today.

Speaker 4 It was so much fun shooting my gun again. Patrick is going to let me keep it.
But when police searched Kelsey's home, there was no sign of it. There's no gun in the condo.

Speaker 6 Correct.

Speaker 4 Does that concern you at all that the gun's missing?

Speaker 11 It does.

Speaker 23 It was one of the things we looked for once we learned about it, but that could also also lead to like a possible suicide scenario.

Speaker 4 That she might have used the gun on herself. Yeah.
You had to seriously consider that?

Speaker 11 We did, yes.

Speaker 4 A smudge on the bottom of the toilet that looked like blood. Police hadn't noticed it when they'd been in the condo because they hadn't been looking for forensic evidence.

Speaker 23 At the initial search, we were just looking for evidence of a disturbance, you know, obvious.

Speaker 23 And

Speaker 23 anything that could lead us to where Kelsey is at the moment. No, we don't get on our hands and knees, lift things up, look at the bottom of a toilet.

Speaker 21 We don't do that.

Speaker 4 After finding the smudge on the toilet, Cheryl and Kelsey's brother took a closer look at the rest of the condo and found suspicious smears on the furniture and appliances.

Speaker 4 Does this now spark a full-blown search of the condo? Yes.

Speaker 4 They sprayed Kelsey's bathroom with Blue Star Agent, a substance that glows on contact with blood.

Speaker 9 Suffice to say, the bathroom glowed pretty well.

Speaker 4 So the bathroom kind of lit up like a Christmas tree.

Speaker 9 Correct.

Speaker 4 Kelsey's home was now being treated as a crime scene.

Speaker 4 The experienced investigators began to suspect she'd been murdered, and teams of local, state, and federal law enforcement agencies descended on the condo.

Speaker 4 Then, suddenly, 800 miles away, there was a baffling new development that would break the case wide open.

Speaker 5 Coming up, a startling clue from Kelsey's cell phone.

Speaker 26 Kelsey's phone gave a location near Gooding, Idaho.

Speaker 4 Are you thinking maybe she's in Idaho right now?

Speaker 6 Absolutely.

Speaker 5 And an intriguing new lead.

Speaker 6 Enter the Rodeo Queen of Magic Valley.

Speaker 4 You're really starting to connect dots now.

Speaker 18 Yes.

Speaker 4 As police in Colorado continued to search for Kelsey Barroth, the trail led unexpectedly to Idaho.

Speaker 26 Kelsey's phone gave a location near Gooding, Idaho on November 25th at about 5.13 in the afternoon.

Speaker 4 Kelsey's phone had pinged off a cell phone tower near this Idaho gorge.

Speaker 4 So even though her condo was being treated as a crime scene, investigators had to consider the possibility that Kelsey might still be alive and on the move.

Speaker 4 Are you thinking maybe she's in Idaho right now? Maybe she decided to get away and

Speaker 4 didn't tell anybody?

Speaker 23 Absolutely.

Speaker 4 Any idea where she would have been going? Is there any theories about what was in Idaho?

Speaker 23 Her parents live in Idaho.

Speaker 4 The news reached Kelsey's aunt and uncle, Kim and Scott. When you heard that Kelsey's phone had pinged in Idaho, did that give you just even a glimmer of hope that maybe our instincts are wrong?

Speaker 3 Maybe she's okay.

Speaker 4 It did for just a minute, yeah.

Speaker 11 But it pinged in the wrong part of Idaho.

Speaker 4 Kelsey's parents lived in northern Idaho. Her phone pinged in the southern part of the state.

Speaker 11 When you leave Colorado and you head to northern Idaho, you go through Montana. You don't go through southern Idaho.
Kelsey had no reason to be in this that part of the state.

Speaker 11 It just doesn't make sense.

Speaker 4 That was not the route to her.

Speaker 11 That was not the route.

Speaker 28 No.

Speaker 4 Investigators asked the local sheriff's department to check out the location of the ping, but they didn't find Kelsey. So that dashed your hopes right there.

Speaker 6 Yep. Yep.

Speaker 4 But there was an Idaho connection. When Patrick turned over his cell phone to police, they found an Idaho number in his call history, and they learned the number belonged to a woman.

Speaker 4 Why did she stick out this woman in particular?

Speaker 23 The timing of a phone call after the last ping on the 25th.

Speaker 18 It was,

Speaker 23 I want to say, 10 minutes had gone by between when Kelsey's phone last pinged in Idaho that Patrick's record showed this 208 area code phone number.

Speaker 4 The woman's name was Crystal Lee Kenney. So it's just this bizarre timing of, and this Idaho connection.
Correct. And Crystal lives in Idaho.

Speaker 6 Yes. Yes.

Speaker 4 Crystal and what she might know about Kelsey's disappearance suddenly became the most important lead in the investigation.

Speaker 4 Are you now learning more about Crystal? Who is she?

Speaker 9 Yes, we knew that she had a family. That was about it.
She didn't have a criminal history or anything like that, active on social media to an extent, into horses, ranching,

Speaker 4 that lifestyle what was her personality like very loving very caring Laura Stutzman is a friend of crystals and has known her since she was 10 years old she really is the type of girl who would give you the shirt off of her back crystal worked at a local hospital as a senior registered nurse she wasn't just a nurse she was good nurse anything crystal did she did it very well in her early 20s she was even crowned rodeo queen of Magic Valley, a title awarded for beauty, horsemanship, and good character, which made her something of a local celebrity.

Speaker 4 Is it like a really big deal? Would she be like Julia Roberts in Twin Falls?

Speaker 6 I don't know.

Speaker 42 Well,

Speaker 25 she would probably be bigger than Julia Roberts because everybody knew and loved Crystal.

Speaker 4 Laura said rodeo queens embody tradition and what local people call the cowboy code.

Speaker 25 The cowboy code is living

Speaker 25 life correctly. It's helping your fellow man.
It's helping your neighbor. It's just being a downright good person.

Speaker 4 Honesty, integrity, community God.

Speaker 25 You betcha.

Speaker 4 In short, Crystal seemed like the last person who'd be mixed up in the disappearance of Kelsey Bareth.

Speaker 4 Nevertheless, investigators had to check her out because of what they found in Patrick's call history. What are you seeing between their two phones, Crystal and Patrick?

Speaker 23 A lot of phone calls. I couldn't put the number on it, especially from that November 22nd, 25th through December 4th.

Speaker 7 Critical time. Critical areas, yes.

Speaker 4 You're really starting to connect dots now.

Speaker 8 Correct.

Speaker 4 What does that tell you? Right there.

Speaker 9 We need to talk to Crystal and find out what's going on.

Speaker 4 By now, the feds were involved in the case. An FBI special agent was about to give Crystal a call.

Speaker 27 Coming up.

Speaker 7 She says, I have no idea who Kelsey Barrett is.

Speaker 27 Crystal tells her story, and one thing becomes crystal clear.

Speaker 7 She lied, and we could refute those lies easily.

Speaker 4 Is Crystal realizing she's in a whole lot of trouble?

Speaker 6 Yes.

Speaker 5 When dateline continues.

Speaker 4 FBI Special Agent John Grusing had joined the investigation into Kelsey Barth's disappearance and was now dialing the number of the Idaho nurse named Crystal Lee Kenney.

Speaker 4 When he reached her, she was with a group of friends in Las Vegas, attending the National Finals Rodeo, the Super Bowl of Rodeo.

Speaker 7 I identified myself as the FBI, said we are looking for a person named Kelsey Barreth. She says I have no idea who Kelsey Barrett is.

Speaker 4 The FBI agent kept probing, asking Crystal if she knew anything about about Kelsey's cell phone that had pinged off a tower near an Idaho gorge.

Speaker 7 I asked her, are you aware of the phone? And she says that she heard about it from the news. And I said, okay, well, the gorge is only about 20 miles from your house from what we see.

Speaker 7 And she quickly said, no, I live at least an hour. I don't live near any gorge.

Speaker 4 He sensed Crystal was hiding something.

Speaker 7 If you had nothing to do with this, why are you distancing yourself from a gorge? Why did any of that make any difference? And so I asked again,

Speaker 7 you had no relationship with Kelsey. You didn't know who she was.
Have you ever met her? And it's absolutely not no.

Speaker 4 The more they talked, the more suspicious he became.

Speaker 7 Her story was

Speaker 7 not solid to start out with, and then it got worse as we went on.

Speaker 4 The investigators wondered if Crystal was covering something up.

Speaker 9 She initially said that she didn't know Patrick, but when confronted with, well, We saw your phone number and his phone. At that point, well, we have a business relationship.

Speaker 7 And she said she had last talked to Patrick a month or a month and a half ago. She couldn't be sure.

Speaker 4 The agent asked if Crystal had seen Patrick in person.

Speaker 7 She said, well, they texted each other happy Thanksgiving on Thanksgiving. And Crystal decided that she would drive down from Twin Falls.

Speaker 4 Crystal told Agent Grusink she made the trip because a few months prior, she and Patrick had bought a horse together, and Crystal wanted Patrick to buy her out.

Speaker 7 They both paid $4,000 and Crystal decided she wanted to use that $4,000 to find a new home.

Speaker 4 But when she arrived in Colorado, Patrick wasn't available.

Speaker 7 So she said she went and slept at a gas station until he was ready to meet her.

Speaker 4 She told the agent that in the early afternoon, she finally met up with Patrick to talk business.

Speaker 7 They talked about her selling her half of the horse. He said it's not a good time because he hurt his back.
So at five o'clock, she gets back in her car and she drives 13 hours back home.

Speaker 4 Grusing put himself in that situation. Something about her story didn't add up.

Speaker 7 I would be very upset that I drove 13 hours. He spends four hours with me and I have to drive 13 back.
I said, weren't you upset about that? Oh, absolutely not.

Speaker 7 I was just happy to see Patrick and he sent a thank you note, a thank you text, and everything's good between us.

Speaker 4 The agent wondered if Crystal's relationship with Patrick was more than just professional.

Speaker 7 I said, okay, do you have a personal relationship with Patrick?

Speaker 7 Absolutely not.

Speaker 7 And I said, okay.

Speaker 4 Investigators had also gathered cell phone data showing not just calls and texts, but locations too.

Speaker 9 We knew that there was a lot of communication between Crystal and Patrick. And we also knew that Kelsey's phone may have been also with Crystal.

Speaker 4 Do you confront Crystal

Speaker 4 with what you know now?

Speaker 34 We do.

Speaker 7 And I say, you traveled the same time, basically, that Kelsey's phone winds up in that gorge. I'm just having a hard time figuring out.
I said, did Patrick ever get in your car?

Speaker 7 Maybe he dropped the phone in your car. Trying to give her a reason about this phone.
And she said, that's highly unlikely.

Speaker 4 It looked like Crystal had taken Kelsey's phone to Idaho, but why?

Speaker 4 The investigator pulled his net tighter.

Speaker 7 I said, are your texts, Crystal, between you and Patrick, only dealing with horses? What are they? And she goes, they're only dealing with horses.

Speaker 7 I said, good, would you mind if we verified that on your phone? And she said, no.

Speaker 7 So at this point, she felt uncomfortable, wanted to end the interview, and that's about where we stopped.

Speaker 4 By the time she finished her call with the FBI agent, Crystal was the focus of the investigation.

Speaker 4 Investigators knew they had to confront her in person.

Speaker 7 Because she lied and because we could refute those lies easily.

Speaker 4 They traveled to Idaho.

Speaker 9 So the FBI, myself, and Twin Falls Police Department go up to Crystal's door and we knock on the door and she comes to the door and we introduce ourselves and say we want to talk to her and Crystal voluntarily says yeah come on in.

Speaker 7 We step inside and talk to her at the couch as police officers are around and say we have a search warrant here and I say I'd like to talk to you. Again, I'm the one that talked to you on the phone.

Speaker 4 As they stood in Crystal's home, the investigators realized they had leverage.

Speaker 7 I still remember her daughter with huge eyes looking to see what's going on. She was such a family person.
She was a charge nurse, head nurse there, small town, nice house.

Speaker 7 She had so much to lose by lying. And I tell her those things.
You have a lot to lose. We know you lied.

Speaker 4 How's she reacting to this?

Speaker 9 She's just sitting there very attentive,

Speaker 9 not saying much, shaking her head,

Speaker 9 agreeing.

Speaker 9 And at that point, we just say to her, we know you have a story to provide and we want to hear your story.

Speaker 4 In the end, Crystal decided to get herself a lawyer, and the investigators left. Is Crystal realizing she's in a whole lot of trouble?

Speaker 6 Yes.

Speaker 4 Crystal told friends about her situation, and it wasn't long before word got out.

Speaker 41 32-year-old Crystal, Kenny.

Speaker 4 You get word that the police have zeroed in on a woman in Idaho.

Speaker 4 who may have knowledge about what happened to Kelsey. This is a big moment in this case.

Speaker 4 What are you learning?

Speaker 11 We learned about her taking the phone and transporting the phone and it finally clicked. Oh, that makes sense.
Why it's in Idaho. And so, you know, the first question is, why?

Speaker 11 Why would you be involved in this?

Speaker 4 Soon, Crystal met again with investigators with her new lawyer present. It was confession time.

Speaker 27 Coming up.

Speaker 4 This is a very important interrogation. Yes.

Speaker 5 Crystal and Patrick.

Speaker 7 Patrick had some sort of hold on her love and secrets.

Speaker 9 She learns that Patrick has a daughter and she's kind of like dumbfounded by the whole thing.

Speaker 7 Crystal was incensed that Patrick had a baby that he didn't tell her about.

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Speaker 4 Crystal Lee Kenney knew she'd been caught in a series of lies. Three weeks after Kelsey was reported missing, Crystal hired a lawyer and went to Colorado for another meeting with investigators.

Speaker 9 We knew that there was some information that she was going to share with us. We didn't know the exact specifics.

Speaker 4 This is a very important interrogation. Yes.

Speaker 4 And that gave Crystal some leverage. Before she talked, Crystal told them she wanted to make a deal with the local district attorney.
Before her statement, we didn't know anything.

Speaker 4 Jennifer Veiman was one of the prosecutors who got the case. She had to provide a full and complete statement about what happened.
Tell us everything. Tell the truth and

Speaker 4 come back and testify. when it's needed.
Crystal promised to do all that, and in return, prosecutors offered a plea deal, a charge carrying a maximum sentence of three years in prison.

Speaker 4 I think we didn't know the extent of how vital she was going to be to the entire story about what happened to Kelsey Berth. But they were about to find out.

Speaker 4 Plea deal in place, Crystal started to spill. First of all, she confessed her relationship with Patrick Frazi was about a lot more than buying horses.

Speaker 9 And this has been an ongoing on-again-off-again relationship since 2006.

Speaker 4 Crystal said she first met Patrick at a dance when she was 20, that he was her first true love, and she fell hard. Obsessed with him?

Speaker 23 Twitter-painted, I think it was her term. What was that?

Speaker 18 Twitter-paited. That was a term she used.

Speaker 4 What does that mean?

Speaker 9 The world's all great. Here I am, you know.
Handsome guy, she says. She says to us that he appreciated her.
You know, hey, it's nice to have you out here with me herding cattle and fixing fence.

Speaker 9 She craved his approval. She craved his approval.
She talked about that.

Speaker 6 He seemed to have a real power over women.

Speaker 23 I think the women that he went after

Speaker 23 shared that same lifestyle he did, though.

Speaker 4 Yeah, they liked the cowboy

Speaker 4 ranching lifestyle.

Speaker 4 As smitten as Crystal was with Patrick, he didn't reciprocate. They fell out of touch.
She got married and had two children. But Crystal said she never forgot her first true love.

Speaker 4 In 2015, she rekindled her relationship with Patrick and they started an affair. She got pregnant by him and ended the pregnancy after she says he got angry at the news.

Speaker 4 After another pause in their relationship, Crystal reconnected with him when she made a trip to Colorado in 2018 after she was divorced.

Speaker 7 She wanted to be with Patrick. She wanted

Speaker 7 him to totally have love for her.

Speaker 7 It's not even like she lived down the street. She's driving 13 hours each time to do this one way.
Patrick had some sort of hold on her that it's rare to see it out there.

Speaker 4 But Patrick had a secret. Crystal had no idea he was engaged and had a new baby.

Speaker 9 Crystal did not know about Kaylee, did not know about Kelsey, so there's no mention at all of Kelsey or Kayleigh.

Speaker 4 That all changed a couple of months later.

Speaker 9 Fast forward to June of 2018 when Crystal's having breakfast with some friends.

Speaker 9 She learns that Patrick has a daughter and she's kind of like dumbfounded by the whole thing, but she plays it off like, wow,

Speaker 9 you know, didn't know anything about it and no big deal.

Speaker 4 But about three months before Kelsey went missing, Crystal let on to Patrick that she knew.

Speaker 9 And she simply tells him, I know about the baby. I know about Kaylee.

Speaker 9 You don't have to tell me anything about it if you don't want to, but you got to know that I know about her.

Speaker 7 At first, Crystal was incensed that Patrick had a baby that he didn't tell her about. And then she came around to start giving him baby toys and baby clothes.

Speaker 7 And she saw what a good dad he is, and they talked about the baby.

Speaker 4 She said that's when Patrick confided to her that his fiancé was a deeply troubled woman.

Speaker 9 He tells Crystal Kelsey's got all these problems. She's this alcoholic, she's a bad mother, she beats the baby.

Speaker 7 He started telling Crystal that Kelsey was an abusive mom, that he had people watching Kelsey, and that he was concerned that Kelsey was going to hurt the baby, if not worse.

Speaker 4 Crystal claimed she told Patrick to report Kelsey to the authorities.

Speaker 7 She said that Patrick said he did go to the police, but that Kelsey's family is influential and the police won't do anything.

Speaker 9 He's filed complaints with the Department of Human Services over the abuse, has gone to the hospital with her, has tried to file police reports, but nobody will take him seriously.

Speaker 4 Crystal said Patrick seemed beside himself.

Speaker 9 You know, I can't trust her. She's a drunk.
She's, you know, not working. She's not doing anything.

Speaker 7 She would tell us in the interview, no, I was trying to protect the baby. I didn't want her to hurt the baby.

Speaker 9 So that's how this whole plan hatches, if you will, with Crystal killing Kelsey to get rid of her, to protect Kaylee.

Speaker 6 Coming up, poison coffee, a deadly plot to kill.

Speaker 9 She goes and buys a Caramel Macchiato from Starbucks.

Speaker 7 And then she goes up to Kelsey's door and knocks on the door.

Speaker 6 Some terrifying turns lie ahead. What did you start pulling first? I started picking up things that were busbattered.

Speaker 5 When dateline continues.

Speaker 4 Crystal Lee Kenney was sitting face to face with investigators, about to make an extraordinary confession.

Speaker 9 I think that she knew that we had plenty of evidence against her, and

Speaker 9 I think that she was smart enough to realize that

Speaker 9 I can't hide this anymore.

Speaker 4 And this time, it was about so much more than a long-time love affair with Patrick Frazy. It's like every turn in this case, you're getting a new clue.

Speaker 6 Correct.

Speaker 4 Crystal told them it all began in the summer of 2018 when she became convinced that Kelsey Bareth was unstable, cruel, cruel, and a danger to her daughter. She said she was determined to help Patrick.

Speaker 4 So in September, she traveled to Colorado, and together they hatched a plan to get rid of Kelsey.

Speaker 9 They talk about how people can die from, you know, overdosing on drugs and whatnot.

Speaker 4 Their plan? Crystal, the nurse, would use prescription drugs to poison Kelsey's coffee.

Speaker 7 She says, I can get some Valium and some ambiene. Maybe I can get those things and stir it in.

Speaker 4 Crystal went to Starbucks and bought a caramel macchiato for Kelsey.

Speaker 9 That's her favorite coffee drink. So that's what Crystal does.
She goes and buys a caramel macchiato from Starbucks and parks in a little alleyway.

Speaker 7 And then she goes up to Kelsey's door and knocks on the door. She introduces herself as Cassie Johnson.
She already has an alias.

Speaker 7 She goes, I'm new to the neighborhood and you put my dog back in the yard. I just wanted to thank you with this coffee.
Kelsey takes the coffee but says I didn't help with your dog.

Speaker 7 She gives Crystal gives Kelsey her phone number and says I'd love to have a play date with you and I have a nephew and

Speaker 7 Kelsey's like my daughter's only 10 months old. I don't think we're going to do a play date.

Speaker 4 Crystal left

Speaker 4 and Kelsey didn't die.

Speaker 7 Patrick calls and says, what happened? He was very angry. He said much angrier words than that.
And she says, what are you talking about? He said, she's fine. Did you not poison the coffee?

Speaker 7 And she says, well, maybe she didn't drink it.

Speaker 4 Crystal said a guilt trip followed.

Speaker 7 And so he said, if you're going to let her kill the baby, then that's on you.

Speaker 4 But that wasn't the end of it.

Speaker 9 No, there was a second attempt.

Speaker 4 This time, Crystal said the plan involved beating Kelsey with a metal pipe.

Speaker 7 He hands her a metal pipe and says, this is not that hard. When she comes out of the house, you hit her in the back of the head head so there's not a lot of blood.

Speaker 9 She's to beat her and put her in a dumpster and push her down the road.

Speaker 7 Crystal takes the metal pipe. She drives to Kelsey's place.
She tells us that she parks the car.

Speaker 9 She's getting out of her car at Kelsey's place with the pipe and she hears a dog bark and she gets scared and jumps back in the car and goes and takes a nap at the Conica.

Speaker 7 And then Patrick calls her and she says, I'm not the right person to do this.

Speaker 7 And then again, he goes, maybe you don't love the baby.

Speaker 4 But this still isn't the end of it.

Speaker 9 No.

Speaker 4 Crystal told them a third murder plot took shape. When Kelsey returned to her condo after handing over Kaylee to Patrick, Crystal was supposed to ambush her.

Speaker 7 The third attempt I can unfortunately still see in my brain from Crystal describing it so well, because he tells her to use a baseball bat and, quote, just go to swinging.

Speaker 7 So Crystal takes an aluminum bat from her house in Twin Falls. She drives and she goes and sits in Kelsey's front yard with a bat in her hand, waiting for Kelsey to come home from a baby exchange.

Speaker 9 And she gets out of her car and she's sitting on a planter,

Speaker 9 sees a police car drive by, hears some people and again leaves.

Speaker 4 This whole thing is crazy.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Just to picture a head nurse sitting with a baseball bat waiting to hit someone in the back of the head. I just still have that image in my mind.

Speaker 9 It's just bizarre.

Speaker 4 She said Patrick had the same angry reaction after she failed on the third attempt.

Speaker 7 He gave her a litany of reasons of why she failed, putting more guilt on her.

Speaker 4 Crystal claimed she acted only because Patrick forced her to. It was Patrick who devised the three schemes to murder Kelsey.

Speaker 4 And, she claimed, she asked Patrick if he wanted to kill Kelsey so badly. Why didn't he do it himself?

Speaker 7 She asked, well, why aren't you taking care of this? And he said, are you kidding? Everybody would know it's me if something happens to her.

Speaker 4 She said Patrick countered with threats against her and even her children.

Speaker 7 She said she was scared of Patrick. If she didn't do it, if Patrick's willing to kill Kelsey, what would happen to Crystal?

Speaker 4 When the outlandish story filtered down to Kelsey's family, they too were dumbfounded.

Speaker 4 The story is so crazy when you think about Crystal driving to Woodland Park, and first it's going to be, she shows up at the door with coffee, then it's a lead pipe, then it's a baseball bat. Yeah.

Speaker 6 How do you wrap your head around that?

Speaker 11 I don't think we can.

Speaker 6 No.

Speaker 11 I'll never

Speaker 11 be able to understand it.

Speaker 4 Investigators believed they had an inkling.

Speaker 7 She was madly in love with Patrick, and that overruled all her common sense and her judgment.

Speaker 4 Even so, the FBI agent believed Crystal was still responsible.

Speaker 7 Each of us have that choice whether we decide, do I have to do this?

Speaker 4 But according to Crystal, she didn't have a choice.

Speaker 27 Coming up.

Speaker 7 The call basically is, you need to come now.

Speaker 5 A horrifying discovery at Kelsey's condo. What?

Speaker 9 All over the floor. I'll blood up the wall.
She just walks into this house.

Speaker 8 In her own words, it was horrific.

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Speaker 4 Crystal Lee Kenney had given investigators the incredible account of how, three times, she had planned to kill Kelsey Barrif. As bad as that all sounded, it was about to get even worse.

Speaker 4 She told them on Thanksgiving Day, while at home in Idaho with her family, her phone lit up with a message from Patrick.

Speaker 7 She waits until late in the day to finally call him.

Speaker 7 And then the call basically is,

Speaker 7 you need to come now.

Speaker 7 You have a mess to clean up.

Speaker 4 Does he explain what the mess is? No.

Speaker 9 No.

Speaker 4 The following day, Crystal said she continued to follow Patrick's orders, just as she'd been doing all along. She got ready.

Speaker 9 She brings supply, cleaning supplies.

Speaker 4 He asks her to bring the supplies?

Speaker 9 He doesn't specifically ask her to bring supplies. He just says, come prepared.

Speaker 4 Crystal gathered what she thought she'd need.

Speaker 9 She brought

Speaker 9 a coverall outfit that they would wear at the hospital to prevent blood-borne pathogens and blood stained on their uniforms, booties, a hairnet, and a box of gloves, along with trash bags and some bleach.

Speaker 4 This sounds like it's out of an episode of Dexter.

Speaker 9 Yeah, that's a good analogy, yes.

Speaker 4 So she thinks that I might be going to clean up a crime scene.

Speaker 9 She doesn't really say it.

Speaker 4 I mean, you don't bring bleach and...

Speaker 9 That's not what you're taking on vacation.

Speaker 4 Crystal borrowed a friend's Volkswagen Passat and once again drove the 13 hours to Colorado.

Speaker 7 I don't think she was certain that Kelsey was dead because he had told her, I can't be the one to do this. And so he had had her try to do it for three times.
Then why would he go ahead and do it now?

Speaker 7 So she was very conflicted in her drive down there.

Speaker 4 But she told the investigators when she got to Colorado, Patrick removed all doubt. She said he confessed he'd killed Kelsey and had hidden her body.

Speaker 4 She said Patrick told her where to find keys to Kelsey's condo. She picked them up and went inside.
What does she say that she saw?

Speaker 5 In her own words, as soon as she opens the door, it was horrific.

Speaker 4 And she didn't just tell the investigators, they brought her to Kelsey's condo so she could show them on video.

Speaker 4 We're inside Kelsey's apartment with Crystal. Her attorney's with us.

Speaker 4 Stepping inside the condo again, this time dressed in a law enforcement hoodie and cap, Crystal was transformed into the kind of witness investigators could only hope for.

Speaker 4 As she led a tour of the crime scene with Agent Slater,

Speaker 4 when I first saw Ken,

Speaker 4 I found

Speaker 4 blood all over the floor. I saw blood off the walls.
I saw blood on the whistle wall.

Speaker 4 That's when I first saw it. Does she see a body? No.

Speaker 9 She doesn't see the body at that point. She doesn't know where Kelsey is.
She just walks into this house that she, again,

Speaker 9 says is just a horrific scene.

Speaker 4 And then she said she got to work

Speaker 4 hanging towels over the kitchen window so she couldn't be seen by passersby.

Speaker 19 You put your stuff on

Speaker 19 and what did you start cleaning up first?

Speaker 19 Um, I started picking up things that were blood splattered that um

Speaker 19 I would have a hard time getting blown out of.

Speaker 4 She used a broom handle to show how high the blood spatter was on the walls. At times, she seemed emotional, apparently fighting back tears.
The spray was

Speaker 10 around here, all the way.

Speaker 10 I had to clean up underneath here, and it was all down here. And

Speaker 10 I know that I didn't get

Speaker 10 there.

Speaker 4 She told investigators among the things she discovered as she cleaned was a tooth.

Speaker 4 And can you point, if you remember,

Speaker 4 where the tooth was?

Speaker 4 Around the tooth, what was there if anything? Squat spurt. And as she cleaned, she said Patrick called with more instructions.

Speaker 9 Specifically saying make sure you pick up this stuff, that stuff.

Speaker 9 He tells her to wash stuff if she can.

Speaker 9 She can't do that, so she's got trash bags, her own trash bags, and she used trash bags of Kelsey's to remove debris that's soaked in blood or has blood on it that they can't clean.

Speaker 9 Some of Kaylee's stuffed animals had blood on them, drapes, the drapes, several other items.

Speaker 4 Crystal said the cleanup took about four hours. Then she drove to Sonic and, captured on security camera, bought food for herself, for Patrick, and the baby.
Her day wasn't nearly done.

Speaker 4 There was much more dirty work ahead.

Speaker 27 Coming up.

Speaker 17 You also collected wood and put into the burn pit? Yes, I did.

Speaker 5 Crystal leads investigators to another crime scene, more disturbing than the last.

Speaker 7 He's like, we started this, we're going to finish it.

Speaker 5 When dateline continues.

Speaker 4 Crystal Lee Kenney's story was stranger than fiction. There's button on the wall here.
Here's blood on the wall here.

Speaker 4 The nurse from Idaho had turned on her longtime boyfriend, Patrick Frazy, telling investigators she'd cleaned the bloody condo after Patrick murdered Kelsey there.

Speaker 17 We're going to go ahead and shut the video off and leave.

Speaker 4 Now she would tell them what she and Patrick did with Kelsey's body. She said he'd hidden it inside a black plastic tote box on a stack of hay bales at a local ranch.

Speaker 9 They both drive out to the Nash Ranch and recover Kelsey's remains, bring it back to Patrick's place where they burned the body.

Speaker 4 Crystal took investigators on another video tour, this one of Patrick's ranch, where she and Patrick took the tote box. We brought the tote here.

Speaker 7 Okay. We unloaded the tote.

Speaker 4 Crystal said she and Patrick placed the box into a makeshift burn pit.

Speaker 17 You also collected wood and put into the burn pit?

Speaker 10 Yes, I did.

Speaker 9 At which time he uses a gas can, opens up the lid of the tote, and pours gasoline and oil inside and then ignites the fire. Was it a match?

Speaker 19 Was it a looking match? Is it a flare?

Speaker 10 A lighter or what? A match.

Speaker 4 She said the fire raged with vicious intensity, the flames leaping as high as some of the trees. Crystal gathered the trash bags, a bloody item she'd taken from the condo.

Speaker 7 And they throw the trash bags in, so they're very evidence conscious.

Speaker 19 I also threw in all the clothing that I was wearing, plus a pair of shoes that I had been wearing.

Speaker 19 And I believe that that's all that

Speaker 19 I had with me that I threw into the fire.

Speaker 4 Even some of Kelsey's most precious books were tossed into the flames.

Speaker 17 Do you remember what the books were? By just.

Speaker 19 One of them was her,

Speaker 19 I would imagine it was a vibrant.

Speaker 7 She said that she stood there for hours as Patrick was churning the fire and making it burn.

Speaker 4 Even so, not everything burned. Investigators' most chilling discovery at the burn site was this, a tooth fragment.

Speaker 4 As she stood with Patrick watching the flames, Crystal said she didn't want to be there.

Speaker 7 She kept wanting to go. She kept asking to go.

Speaker 4 From there, I told him I have to leave.

Speaker 7 He's like, nope, we started this. We're going to finish it.
So obviously, he's bringing her in as partner in the homicide.

Speaker 4 And their partnership continued. Patrick directed Crystal to take some of Kelsey's belongings with her to Idaho and help create a false trail of evidence.
What does he tell her to do with these items?

Speaker 9 According to Crystal, he said, Well, you're going to take the gun, you're going to get rid of it, you're going to get rid of her phone, you're going to get rid of the purse.

Speaker 4 Crystal confessed she took Kelsey's phone and turned it on as she drove home. That's why Kelsey's phone pinged near the gorge in Idaho.

Speaker 4 She also sent text messages, like the ones saying, Do you even love me? to make it appear Kelsey Kelsey was in some kind of distress. Then she burned the phone.

Speaker 4 The purse and its contents and stolen titles.

Speaker 10 Okay, and those were burned where? At my crawlers.

Speaker 4 So that was Crystal's story. Driven by love and fear, she cleaned the crime scene, helped burn Kelsey's body, and destroyed crucial evidence.
But Crystal wanted to make one thing clear.

Speaker 4 She said it was Patrick who murdered Kelsey. And to prove she was telling the truth, she pointed to more evidence that would turn the tables on Patrick.

Speaker 4 Because, as thoroughly as she mopped and wiped Kelsey's condo, she told investigators she deliberately left spots of blood for them to find. Can you show me where you left those?

Speaker 4 Did you leave blood anywhere else?

Speaker 4 You didn't clean up. Yes, okay.

Speaker 4 There are the baby games.

Speaker 4 After about 12 hours of questioning, the investigators were astonished. Crystal had drawn in vivid detail the anatomy of Kelsey Barrett's murder.

Speaker 4 Do you believe that Patrick Frazy was really the mastermind, that he was the puppeteer with Crystal?

Speaker 6 Yes.

Speaker 7 Patrick is the one who was manipulating her the whole time. Patrick's the one that wanted Kelsey killed.
Patrick's the one who actually killed Kelsey. I believe Crystal was a fool.

Speaker 7 I believe Patrick was the murderer.

Speaker 4 About a month after that Thanksgiving Day, when Kelsey went missing, Patrick Frazey was arrested and charged with first-degree murder, solicitation to murder, and tampering with a deceased body.

Speaker 4 Is this a big sigh of relief,

Speaker 4 knowing that there had been an arrest? Yes.

Speaker 11 Relief because there was hope that he wasn't going to get away with it.

Speaker 11 At the same time,

Speaker 11 sadness

Speaker 11 that

Speaker 11 her death was a little more real

Speaker 4 was this kind of that moment that it really

Speaker 6 it's it's starting to hit

Speaker 4 that she really isn't coming home

Speaker 4 in november 2019 almost a year after kelsey went missing Patrick Frazy would go on trial for her murder, and a jury would decide if Crystal was telling the truth or if she was lying.

Speaker 27 Coming up.

Speaker 4 The whole case rested on her shoulders. The concern was, is she believable?

Speaker 5 What really happened the day of the murder? Powerful new details from the prosecutor's star witness.

Speaker 18 You saw jurors crying. You saw people in the audience crying.

Speaker 6 Took my breath away.

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Speaker 4 In November 2019, here at the Old County Courthouse in the mountains of Colorado, after months of pre-trial hearings, one of which was videotaped, Patrick Frazey went on trial for the murder of Kelsey Barr.

Speaker 18 This one probably had more twists and turns than almost any case I've ever seen. This one had more emotion to it than almost any case I've seen.

Speaker 4 District Attorney Dan May led the prosecution team with Jennifer Veeman and Beth Reed.

Speaker 4 They'd assembled an arsenal of evidence against Patrick and dozens of witnesses,

Speaker 4 including their star witness, Crystal Lee Kenney, whom they recorded on video.

Speaker 4 Did you feel like anything was weak in your case going in that you had to worry about?

Speaker 7 Chrysali,

Speaker 4 I think, would probably be the biggest concern that we would have. The whole case rested on her shoulders and phone records.
So I think the concern was,

Speaker 4 is she believable?

Speaker 4 They thought they could make Crystal credible by explaining how Patrick manipulated her. For example, Crystal said Patrick told her Kelsey was abusing their baby and he'd reported her to police.

Speaker 4 In fact, there was no police report. It was all a lie.
He was claiming she was an alcoholic, an abusive mother, that she wasn't showing up for work. All of that is untrue.

Speaker 4 Then they would try to prove Crystal's story with hard evidence, like forensics and digital records, starting with Kelsey's condo.

Speaker 4 Police photos showed smears where Crystal said she wiped away blood from furniture and appliances.

Speaker 18 And it kind of gives you some inkling because you're seeing all kinds of blood in the floorboards of her wooden floor.

Speaker 4 A DNA expert testified it was a match to Kelsey's blood. CBI agent Greg Slater took the stand.
Crystal claims that she left some blood on the baby gate and on the fireplace. Did you believe her?

Speaker 9 Well, I can't doubt her because the evidence speaks for itself. It does show that that's Kelsey's blood.
And

Speaker 9 without her telling us that, we would never have known it was there.

Speaker 4 Crystal also told law enforcement later that day, she met Patrick at a gas station. When she tells us,

Speaker 4 we met at the Conoco station in Florisant.

Speaker 4 Let's go to the Conoco station and let's see if we can find video. Lo and behold, we find video.

Speaker 4 Here, Crystal can be seen driving up in the black Volkswagen. 20 minutes later, Patrick pulled up to a pump in his red pickup truck.
He filled a canister with gasoline.

Speaker 4 which Crystal told investigators he used to burn Kelsey's body. A gas canister, just like the one in the video, was found on Patrick's property.
Things are matching up. Things are matching up.

Speaker 4 But things weren't matching up for Patrick's Thanksgiving Day alibi. His story consistently was, on the 22nd, I picked up Kaylee around noon from Kelsey's apartment and I left.

Speaker 4 And that's the last time I saw her. And consistently, he says, I never went into

Speaker 4 Kelsey's house. His story was that he was tending to his cows at the time Kelsey was believed to have been murdered.

Speaker 18 He puts himself out with the cattle that afternoon, miles away from Woodland Park when the murder happened.

Speaker 4 But prosecutors presented images that showed Patrick was lying. A security camera caught Patrick's truck passing by a furniture store near Kelsey's condo around the time of the murder.

Speaker 4 And shots from a neighbor's security camera captured Patrick at Kelsey's home multiple times, also during that period.

Speaker 18 He is walking in and out because we have the photos from the next door neighbor from that scene carrying Kaylee several times as he's going in and out of that scene.

Speaker 4 In one frame, Kelsey is visible, her hair tied in a neat bun and carrying a poinsettia plant. The last image of her alive.

Speaker 4 As the prosecutors continue to press their case, they told the jury Patrick's cell phone also placed him near Kelsey's condo at the time she was murdered.

Speaker 4 Patrick made two phone calls around 4.30 on the afternoon of the 22nd when he was supposedly not even there.

Speaker 4 And those phone calls are being made on the tower that serves the cell phone tower that services Kelsey Barreth's house. Cell phone records from the following day exposed more of Patrick Frazy's lies.

Speaker 4 Consistently, all day on the 23rd, Kelsey Barrett's cell phone and Patrick Frazee's cell phone were together. And remember, he said he hasn't even seen her.

Speaker 4 Further cell phone analysis bore out Crystal's story that Patrick had given her Kelsey's phone.

Speaker 4 And it's only when Crystal Lee comes to town and Patrick Frazi provides Crystal Lee with Kelsey's cell phone do you see the patterns then change and Kelsey's cell phone travels along with Crystal Lee back to Idaho where she ultimately destroys it on November 25th.

Speaker 4 When she's telling us that yes, I turned Kelsey's phone off, I turned it on at this point. point on my trip back.
I turned it on at this point on my trip back. I sent a text message at this point.

Speaker 4 I sent I our Patrick called me at this point. That matches all the information that we have.

Speaker 4 As for where Crystal said Patrick stored Kelsey's body after murdering her, a cadaver dog trained to sit when it scented human death did exactly that.

Speaker 4 Crystal's walkthrough of Patrick's ranch was also played in court. In graphic detail, she testified how they burned Kelsey's body.

Speaker 4 Did that yield any clues that you felt were really important? Crystal goes straight to where that burn area was and says this is where she was burned. And

Speaker 4 they essentially excavate that area and remove all the dirt. And there you see what I would almost describe as a burn scar.
There's melted plastic in the ground.

Speaker 4 As for the murder itself, The courtroom fell silent as Crystal described what Patrick told her about Kelsey Barreth's horrific last moments.

Speaker 4 Once inside her condo on Thanksgiving Day, according to Crystal, Patrick told Kelsey he wanted to play a game with some scented candles.

Speaker 18 So he comes up with this ploy of, smell the candles and tell me which one is which scent on the candles. And then he blindfolds her with one of her own sweaters.

Speaker 18 So she's now bent over, smelling those candles when he pulls the bat out.

Speaker 4 A baseball bat.

Speaker 18 I'll bet he thought that would knock her out on the first blow and it didn't. He is beating her and beating her and beating her.

Speaker 4 Prosecutors played the video of Crystal pointing out the blood spatter.

Speaker 18 All of a sudden, the jury understood these little spots are bat blows to her head. And each time he's pulling

Speaker 18 the bat back above him, it is throwing spots of blood all the way back into the kitchen as he's coming back down for another blow.

Speaker 4 The courtroom was getting sadly a real visual

Speaker 4 of what happened in this condominium. A blood spatter expert witness confirmed the worst.

Speaker 18 And then I asked him, How many times do you think he beat her with that bat? And he said

Speaker 18 his estimate would be 10 to 15 times or more.

Speaker 4 Another sickening moment in the trial came when the prosecution showed the jury the tooth fragment found at the burn site.

Speaker 4 And Crystal added one more heart-rending detail she said Patrick described to her.

Speaker 11 The hardest part of the entire

Speaker 6 time,

Speaker 11 watching Crystal testify, there's a question:

Speaker 11 Do you know what Kelsey's last words were?

Speaker 11 And in tears,

Speaker 11 Crystal said the words, please stop.

Speaker 32 That was

Speaker 11 the blow

Speaker 11 that rocked my world again.

Speaker 4 So to hear that those were the words and that he continued

Speaker 6 took my breath away.

Speaker 6 I don't know that I'm breathing yet.

Speaker 4 All during the murder, Crystal testified, baby Kaylee was in the condo.

Speaker 18 That just tore everybody.

Speaker 18 There were times that you saw jurors crying. There were times you saw people in the audience crying.
I know we were at times.

Speaker 4 The prosecution's case was clear. Patrick Frazee had killed Kelsey in the most sadistic manner, torched her body so that her remains would never be found, and then covered it up.

Speaker 4 At least that was Crystal's story. Now, the stage was set for Patrick's defense team to go after her.

Speaker 27 Coming up.

Speaker 4 This is a woman who has admitted to covering up a murder. We didn't ask the jury to like her, we just asked them to listen to her.

Speaker 5 Would they?

Speaker 43 I just could not believe

Speaker 43 that she was persuaded or manipulated.

Speaker 5 When dateline continues.

Speaker 4 The Colorado courtroom had heard shocking evidence. Patrick Frazey had bludgeoned to death his fiancé Kelsey Barroth and burned her body.

Speaker 4 Now, it was the defense's turn to try and shred the prosecution's case by targeting Crystal. The more guilty she appeared to a jury, the less guilty Patrick might appear.

Speaker 31 If you believe Crystal's story, then the evidence is overwhelming. If you don't buy off on Crystal's story, then the evidence is not overwhelming.
Plain, simple, done.

Speaker 4 Patrick Frazy's friend, Clint Klein, attended the trial.

Speaker 31 The only time Crystal finally, so-called, told the truth was when she was approached by the FBI and the Colorado Bureau of Investigation and told that they had enough on her that she was going to go away for, you know, probably the rest of her life.

Speaker 4 He says Crystal told her story to investigators only after law enforcement caught her lying.

Speaker 31 She got honest after she got caught.

Speaker 4 Under tough cross-examination, Crystal again admitted how three times she drove 800 miles from Idaho to Colorado and back with plans to kill Kelsey.

Speaker 4 If Crystal was telling the truth, the defense team said, it was an outrage that she had never once told law enforcement about the murder plans she was part of. Not once, until she was caught.

Speaker 7 Blood all over the floor, saw blood up the wall, saw blood on the whistle.

Speaker 4 Neither did she tell a soul about the pools of blood she had cleaned up, the spattered walls she bleached, the blood-soaked evidence she got rid of.

Speaker 4 Patrick's defense pointed out how callous Crystal was, laying a false text message trail and taking Kelsey's phone to Idaho where she burned it. You sat in court every day.
You heard all the evidence.

Speaker 4 If Patrick Frazee didn't kill Kelsey, then who did?

Speaker 31 You can come to your own conclusion on that. You either bought Crystal's story or you didn't buy Crystal's story.

Speaker 4 And you didn't.

Speaker 30 And I didn't.

Speaker 4 Crystal's credibility had been the main concern of the prosecution team.

Speaker 4 This is a woman who's lied before. This is a woman who has admitted to covering up a murder.
She's done a lot of bad things.

Speaker 4 So it would be easy for the jury to not like Crystal Lee.

Speaker 6 True.

Speaker 4 And to maybe not trust her. We didn't ask the jury to like her.

Speaker 4 We just asked them to listen to her.

Speaker 4 And to match up what she says with the other pieces of evidence that we had.

Speaker 4 Bob, Christie, and Dennis, who want us to use only their first names, sat on the jury as Crystal described how Patrick instructed her three times to murder Kelsey.

Speaker 43 Some of the things that that went through my mind when Crystal was testifying was

Speaker 43 I was thinking she could have stopped this. What were you thinking?

Speaker 43 I just could not believe

Speaker 6 that

Speaker 43 she was persuaded or manipulated.

Speaker 43 She seemed like a very intelligent person.

Speaker 24 It's unconceivable how you can get into that position.

Speaker 4 This one's hard to understand.

Speaker 24 That's totally everything about this is hard to understand.

Speaker 4 The jurors also blamed Crystal for covering up the murder instead of calling the police. How chilling was it to see the video of Crystal in Kelsey's condo doing that walkthrough?

Speaker 4 I think her saying, you know, she

Speaker 4 put towels over the kitchen window was probably one of the harder things for me because, you know, that's really

Speaker 4 you know what you're doing. You know you're hiding.

Speaker 43 Yeah, that showed me she was complicit.

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 43 When she walked in that condo she could have called the police right then

Speaker 4 to summon court crystal artfully minimized her own role to make sure all the blame would fall on patrick frazey do you think crystal told the whole story um

Speaker 43 no i just didn't buy that i think that she was not completely honest with her how complicit she was this is a woman who came potentially came close to killing kelsey herself three times three times coffee

Speaker 24 Yep.

Speaker 4 Pipe, baseball bat. Yeah.

Speaker 43 She talked about being afraid of him, but then she said after she went into the condo, she said that she didn't believe that he could actually do it. So those two statements didn't mash to me.

Speaker 4 The defense argued Crystal's story was shaky, and so was some of the prosecution's evidence.

Speaker 4 They argued the security camera images showing Patrick entering and leaving Kelsey's condo on Thanksgiving Day didn't necessarily match the time they were saved to the security system.

Speaker 4 And that apparently damning tooth fragment? Not so fast.

Speaker 4 Were you able to match that tooth to Kelsey? No. It's examined by a forensic anthropologist.
They could determine that it was female DNA, but they couldn't develop a profile.

Speaker 4 So the tooth evidence wasn't the slam dunk they had hoped for. But as the jurors wrestled with the evidence and Crystal's testimony, they weren't prepared for what came next.

Speaker 4 The trial was about to reach its climax with a new witness who would stun the courtroom.

Speaker 5 Coming up from behind prison walls, perhaps the most sinister plot of all.

Speaker 4 There were threats, very specific threats.

Speaker 5 And the verdict.

Speaker 4 Does your heart start beating really fast? I couldn't breathe.

Speaker 11 I remember checking my pulse.

Speaker 4 On a chilly November day, one year to the week after Kelsey Bareth went missing, after a meticulous investigation from Colorado to Idaho, and after the damning testimony of his former girlfriend, Crystal Lee Kenney, 33-year-old Patrick Frazey would soon learn if he would spend the rest of his life behind bars for a monstrous, premeditated murder.

Speaker 11 I was dreading, like, what if?

Speaker 11 How is our family going to handle if they say not guilty?

Speaker 4 There could be one person on that jury who maybe didn't believe he was capable of that. Right.

Speaker 4 As nervous as Kelsey's family was as the trial came to a close, there was something they hadn't counted on. A new witness for the prosecution.

Speaker 18 Right before trial, he calls actually for me.

Speaker 4 He was Jacob Bentley. He'd been housed next to Patrick Frazy in jail and they became buddies.
After he got out, Bentley came forward with a mind-blowing story about some notes Frazy slipped to him.

Speaker 4 The substance of those notes, some written on jail napkins, some written on paper, are essentially asking to assist Patrick in killing a number of witnesses that are set to testify against him in this trial.

Speaker 4 It was a hit list, with Patrick Frazey offering to pay Bentley for arranging to kill those named. Most of the notes came with instructions to flush them.

Speaker 4 At the top of Patrick's list was Crystal Lee Kenney, followed by her family and friends. They all need to disappear, read one note, at least until after the trial.

Speaker 4 Another note instructed Bentley to use a gun to make Crystal's ex-husband talk, then dump him out in the desert.

Speaker 4 I think what was shocking in this case was usually when we get that information, it's the word of one informant without any corroborating evidence.

Speaker 4 But this particular informant had the letters and they were clearly in Patrick's handwriting and they contained information that only Patrick Frazey would know.

Speaker 4 No one was too high up the food chain for Patrick Frazy. Lead investigator Greg Slater and even the DA himself were on the kill list.
And perhaps even more shocking, Kelsey's mom, too.

Speaker 4 There were threats to kill Cheryl Bareth. Very specific threats.
The hit list, Cheryl was on it. Crazy.

Speaker 11 Crazy.

Speaker 4 It's just so insane that he has this hit list in jail.

Speaker 11 It showed his character.

Speaker 11 It showed his

Speaker 11 guilt.

Speaker 4 The jail notes and Bentley's testimony stunned the courtroom and seemed to be a big blow to Patrick Frazy's defense.

Speaker 4 The prosecution prosecution said Frazey hadn't only murdered Kelsey Barreth, he had sought to kill those set to testify against him.

Speaker 4 We wanted the jury to hear this evidence so they could really understand the mindset we were dealing with in terms of Patrick Frazy. He's a very troubled person.

Speaker 4 After three hours of deliberation, the jury reached a decision. You walked back into that courtroom to deliver the verdict.
Yes.

Speaker 6 Are you feeling scared to death?

Speaker 6 Yeah, I felt the weight of it.

Speaker 24 Oh, yes, definitely. It was hard.

Speaker 43 It was a lot of tension

Speaker 43 knowing that her family's out there,

Speaker 43 his family is out there, he's right there.

Speaker 4 Does your heart start beating really fast? I couldn't breathe. I was

Speaker 11 our hearts beating. I remember checking my pulse.

Speaker 6 We were all holding hands.

Speaker 11 Holding hands in such anticipation, praying that a fast verdict was a good verdict.

Speaker 4 For Kelsey's family, all those prayers were answered. As soon as that first guilty came in,

Speaker 11 then we could exhale.

Speaker 4 That was the first-degree murder charge. Yep.

Speaker 4 And then when they just kept coming, everything else was just icing on the cake. Guilty, guilty.

Speaker 24 Yep. Yep.

Speaker 42 Praising God.

Speaker 4 Praising God. Yeah.

Speaker 11 A lot of answered prayer. A lot of hugs, a lot of tears, a lot of relief.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 4 The prosecutors welled up too, seeing seeing Kelsey's father, Daryl. I heard the verdict and I got choked up.

Speaker 4 And then I looked back at Darryl

Speaker 4 and

Speaker 4 I was just nodding at him of

Speaker 4 thank you for being with us and

Speaker 4 going through this and being behind us 100% the whole time. Amid all the emotion in the courthouse, a swift verdict was followed by a swift sentence.

Speaker 18 Patrick Frazy got everything he deserved coming to him. Life sentence plus 156 years.

Speaker 4 About three months went by, and it was a very different set of emotions when Crystal Lee Kenney was sentenced. The judge called her actions cold, calculated, and cruel.

Speaker 4 But of all the things Crystal admitted to in her deal with prosecutors, she pleaded guilty to only one thing, tampering with evidence by moving Kelsey's phone.

Speaker 4 The judge gave her the maximum sentence, three years in prison.

Speaker 21 Do I think she should have gotten a lot more time?

Speaker 18 You betcha.

Speaker 4 At the time, the DA worried she could end up serving much less.

Speaker 21 It's not unusual for someone to serve maybe 25% of their sentence on a crime, no matter what it is.

Speaker 4 In the end, an appeals court threw out her sentence, and she ended up serving less than 14 months in prison. The DA said to convict Patrick Frazy, he'd made a devil's bargain with Crystal.

Speaker 4 We did a deal with the devil. You called this making a deal with the devil.

Speaker 18 I did. That was absolutely a deal with the devil, and I'm not proud of it.
I'm not telling you it's justice for Crystal Lee. It's not justice for Crystal Lee.

Speaker 18 But it got justice for Kelsey in the end.

Speaker 4 You said something to me that was just really powerful about your feelings toward Crystal Lee.

Speaker 11 Part of me wants to strangle her.

Speaker 6 Part of me wants to hug her.

Speaker 4 That's a very complex statement right there.

Speaker 11 She could have stopped this from happening altogether.

Speaker 11 And for that, I want to choke her.

Speaker 11 And for that, I want to hug her.

Speaker 11 And thank her.

Speaker 4 For that, we have closure.

Speaker 4 As Kelsey's family moved on, her mom and dad got custody of little Kaylee. If Kaylee watches this someday when she's older, what would you say right now about her mom?

Speaker 11 Her mom loved her.

Speaker 11 Her mom was fearless.

Speaker 15 Her mom

Speaker 11 loved the Lord,

Speaker 11 and the best thing in the world would be to see her daughter committed to

Speaker 11 the Lord as well.

Speaker 4 The communities where Kelsey lived and worked also did what they could to ensure she is remembered.

Speaker 4 The local furniture store placed a memorial bench near Kelsey's condo.

Speaker 4 Kelsey's family also set up an aviation scholarship, and some of the jurors supported it.

Speaker 4 All testaments to the young mother whose life was so cruelly taken,

Speaker 4 but whose spirit continues to inspire.

Speaker 4 If Kaylee does get to watch this at some point, then it would be her mom telling her, Don't back down.

Speaker 7 Dream big. Dream big.

Speaker 6 Run hard.

Speaker 4 Soar.

Speaker 6 Go get them.

Speaker 4 Because you've got the support of this family behind you.

Speaker 27 That's all for now.

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