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Speaker 8 Good morning to you, Mr. Hope.

Speaker 6 How are you?

Speaker 8 I'm blessed. I'm blessed.

Speaker 10 I'm sitting in a plastic chair inside the notorious Polunski unit in West Livingston, Texas, Death Row.

Speaker 10 Across from me, a man named Robert Robertson. We got a lot to talk about.

Speaker 6 Yes, sir.

Speaker 10 He's a big guy, more than six feet, wearing a white prison jumpsuit. We're so close, I could shake his hand, if not for the pain of plexiglass between us.

Speaker 10 On October 16th, 2025, Robert is scheduled to die by lethal injection.

Speaker 10 How are you preparing for your own death, your own execution?

Speaker 8 I'm at peace if it happens, but I'm not ready because I don't think I should be executed when I'm innocent.

Speaker 10 In 2003, a jury convicted Robert of murdering his two-year-old daughter, Nikki. Prosecutors say the evidence is overwhelming.

Speaker 12 Mr. Reverendson took the life of his daughter.

Speaker 13 And I just remember that cold face.

Speaker 3 And I looked, and that poor little girl was just, she was dead.

Speaker 10 Some in Nikki's family believe Robert's date with death is long overdue.

Speaker 12 This is his third execution date. It's time.

Speaker 12 There's no more waiting.

Speaker 10 But a growing army is rallying behind Robert. They believe he is innocent.

Speaker 15 I almost cannot believe what I'm reading.

Speaker 10 They argue his case urgently needs another look now, before it's too late.

Speaker 16 Let's take all this evidence, go back to the courtroom, go back to a jury, and let them decide.

Speaker 10 As the days tick down to Robert's execution, I set off to East Texas. I've never seen a picture of her like this.

Speaker 6 Beautiful girl.

Speaker 10 I'm on the hunt for answers about what happened to Nikki all those years ago, learning critical information the jury never got to hear.

Speaker 10 We're just fact-checking on some of the document that was discovered here. Finding details that have never been reported.

Speaker 2 Have you done interviews on this topic before?

Speaker 17 No, this was the very first.

Speaker 10 Is the state about to put an innocent man to death?

Speaker 15 I am terrified that that is what we are racing towards.

Speaker 10 I'm Lester Holt, and this is

Speaker 10 the last appeal, a a podcast from Dateline, Episode 1.

Speaker 18 Nikki.

Speaker 10 It's September 2025, one month before Robert Robertson is scheduled to be executed. I'm in Palestine, Texas, once a busy railroad hub.
Today, downtown looks more like an empty movie set.

Speaker 10 It's the town where two-year-old Nikki was taken to the hospital.

Speaker 10 On the morning of January 31st, 2002, a man walked in pushing a woman in a wheelchair. Resting on her lap was Nikki.

Speaker 10 She was unconscious, barely breathing. A nurse named Kelly Garganis was the first to see Nikki that morning.

Speaker 10 Has she talked before to anybody? No.

Speaker 10 I'm with producer Dan Slapian. We wanted to speak with Kelly, so we stopped by her house.

Speaker 10 Hello?

Speaker 10 Hello, hi. Are you Kelly? Hi, I'm Lester Holt from NBC News.
Yes, sir. I'm with my colleagues here.

Speaker 10 No, you're not like me. You look just like Lester.
We're trying to contact you about a story we're working on around the Robert Robertson case. Kelly is wearing pink scrubs.

Speaker 10 She invites us in and agrees to talk to me about that morning 23 years ago.

Speaker 10 So you've been working all day?

Speaker 11 Yes, sir. At the same hospital.

Speaker 19 At the same hospital, been there 28 years.

Speaker 10 Back when all this was happening, you were in E.

Speaker 11 Erners.

Speaker 6 Yes, sir.

Speaker 2 Is the pediatric part of that job emotionally hard?

Speaker 14 Can be, yes.

Speaker 20 Can be very emotionally.

Speaker 6 And like Nikki, the little girl, to this day, I'll never forget. Really? That day.

Speaker 13 A gentleman walks through the door, not the ambulance bay, bay, but the main door, and there was a lady that was in a wheelchair, and I could tell she was in a hospital gown,

Speaker 13 and there was something on her lap, and I saw that there was a jacket, so I took the jacket off, and there was a baby in her lap that was blue, literally probably the bluest I've ever seen of a child.

Speaker 10 We went in the trauma room.

Speaker 13 When we started the head-to-toe assessment, the back of her head was

Speaker 2 soft and kind of mushy.

Speaker 6 And we were like,

Speaker 13 something else is going on here.

Speaker 10 Kelly remembers leaving the trauma room to grab Nikki's medical chart. That's when Robert Robertson approached her, saying he was Nikki's father.

Speaker 13 And he looked at me and all he said to me, he said, she fell off the bed that far.

Speaker 10 I should point out, you showed your hands now at about

Speaker 14 12 inches.

Speaker 13 Yeah, he told me, he said, she fell off the bed about that far. Yeah.

Speaker 13 And I looked at him because that made me a little suspicious.

Speaker 10 Something else stood out to her.

Speaker 13 He had a very flat affect. I just know his behavior was not

Speaker 13 what you would normally see if it was a father taking care of their child that fell off the bed.

Speaker 10 Kelly learned that instead of calling 911, Robert called his girlfriend, Teddy Cox, the woman in the wheelchair. Turned out, Teddy was a patient at the hospital recovering from surgery.

Speaker 10 She told Robert to rush Nikki over.

Speaker 13 He brought that baby into the hospital, went up to the second floor, put her in her lap, not breathing, put her coat over, and they nonchalantly came down to E.R. That's not normal.

Speaker 10 So many things weren't adding up about Robert's story to Kelly and the rest of the medical team. Nikki's head injury seemed far more serious than a fall from a bed.

Speaker 10 They suspected Nikki was the victim of abuse, possibly at the hands of her father. A nurse picked up the phone and called police.

Speaker 10 Officers from the Palestine Police Department responded. When they saw how serious Nikki's condition was, they alerted their boss, Detective Brian Wharton.

Speaker 23 This is the emergency entrance to the hospital.

Speaker 10 The detectives saw Robert in the waiting room. Nikki's grandparents were now there, too.

Speaker 24 Do you remember the feeling of when you got eyes on Nikki?

Speaker 23 I can see her still

Speaker 16 laying on the examination table in the emergency room. Intubated,

Speaker 25 long hair.

Speaker 10 You want to sit in a corner and cry.

Speaker 16 It's just not right. We shouldn't be here.
This child is too young for this.

Speaker 16 I guess we had been told that there was an injury on the back of her head, but we couldn't see it because of her hair.

Speaker 16 And so Nikki's head was shaved so that we could get a picture of this injury on the back of her head.

Speaker 24 Was the injury then obvious to you?

Speaker 16 It was there. Yes, it was obvious.
There was a knot on the back of her head.

Speaker 10 Wharton also saw bruising on Nikki. He started asking Robert questions.

Speaker 16 When we talked to him, we found him very matter-of-fact, no emotion. And so that made us, that kind of put us on edge a little bit, I guess.
There was just something off. Something's amiss.

Speaker 24 Robert was telling you that she had fallen.

Speaker 10 Yes. Robert said he'd been home alone with Nikki.
A strange cry woke him up at about 5 a.m. He found Nikki on the floor.

Speaker 10 Robert said he kept her awake for a couple of hours, tried to comfort her, then they both went back to sleep.

Speaker 10 At about 9 a.m., he said his alarm went off. That's when he discovered Nikki was blue and didn't seem to be breathing.

Speaker 10 Detective Wharton was suspicious of Robert's story. He asked him to take him to his house to walk through what happened.

Speaker 23 We didn't find anything that looked like violence.

Speaker 26 So there was no broken sheetrock.

Speaker 11 There was no blood anywhere.

Speaker 23 There was no broken furniture, no broken dishes. Nothing looked like violence.

Speaker 11 No struggle at all.

Speaker 23 No, no.

Speaker 23 And so we went to the bedroom, we documented the height of the bed, we gathered the sheeting off the bed.

Speaker 27 We took pictures of the bed.

Speaker 10 We found copies of those photos in court filings. They show a box spring and mattress propped up on cinder blocks.
A Winnie the Pooh blanket is wedged beside the bed.

Speaker 10 Robert said after Nikki fell, he saw blood around her lips and a bruise under her chin.

Speaker 26 He had told us that, you know, he had seen some blood on her mouth and there was a wet washcloth that he had used to get the blood off her mouth.

Speaker 23 So we recovered that wet washcloth.

Speaker 2 A photo of the washcloth shows just a few specks of blood on it.

Speaker 10 That the detective said Robert did something that struck him as bizarre.

Speaker 11 He was hungry, and so he wanted to go make a ham sandwich.

Speaker 10 That added to your anxiety about his yeah, it was odd.

Speaker 16 Again, it was odd to us that, yes, he wants to go make a a ham sandwich.

Speaker 24 I would think as a police officer, you get a read

Speaker 14 on a case fairly quickly.

Speaker 24 Was this one where the pieces were coming together pretty quickly that this man harmed his daughter?

Speaker 23 It sure felt like it, yeah.

Speaker 10 Wharton headed back to Palestine Police Headquarters with Robert. He checked Robert's criminal record and saw he had convictions, drugs, burglary, writing bad checks, nothing violent.

Speaker 10 As Detective Wharton typed up Robert's statement, Nikki was rushed to the Children's Medical Center in Dallas, her grandparents close behind.

Speaker 10 We were about to find out what they knew about the days leading up to Nikki's death and about a decision they made, I'd find out, that haunts them to this day. So I put her in the car.

Speaker 10 And she looked at me.

Speaker 19 I'll never forget.

Speaker 10 She looked at me like, what are you doing?

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Speaker 10 It's one month before Robert Robertson's execution. We're driving down a two-lane country road on the edge of Palestine.
It's dotted with farms and patches of woods.

Speaker 10 We're heading to the home of Nikki's grandparents, Larry and Verna Bowman.

Speaker 10 Yes, so we're trying to meet up with Larry Bowman.

Speaker 8 We've been unable to reach him, so we've found his address and we've driven to it.

Speaker 10 We're about to walk and knock on the door.

Speaker 20 How are you doing?

Speaker 10 Don't bother you.

Speaker 10 The Bowmans are home and invite us in.

Speaker 10 How are you doing?

Speaker 10 Larry is in his late 70s. He's wearing blue jeans, a gray shirt, and suspenders.

Speaker 10 His wife, Verna, is sitting on an old leather couch watching a black and white western.

Speaker 6 I remember you. Yeah, Billy.
Last year house.

Speaker 21 Off TV.

Speaker 14 Off TV.

Speaker 11 Yeah, that's where I

Speaker 14 remember seeing you.

Speaker 10 We sit around a worn wooden kitchen table. Verna lights up when I ask her about her granddaughter.

Speaker 6 Can you tell me about Nikki?

Speaker 14 What kind of little girl she was?

Speaker 19 Oh, she's precious.

Speaker 20 I mean, she was a doll.

Speaker 21 Yeah.

Speaker 14 Yeah, she...

Speaker 19 She could be so funny.

Speaker 10 She hands me a framed photo of Nikki.

Speaker 2 Verna is showing me this picture of her. Oh, I've never seen a picture of her like this.

Speaker 6 Beautiful girl.

Speaker 10 It's a professional shot, like you'd take in a mall. Nikki is wearing a black velvet dress.
A headband sits on her short brown hair.

Speaker 20 A friend of ours had that picture made.

Speaker 10 And

Speaker 25 I think,

Speaker 20 isn't that the dress that we buried her in? When I go to talking about her, it tears me up because I didn't do. All I could to keep her from it.
I don't know what else I could have done, you know.

Speaker 10 The day before Nikki ended up in the hospital, Robert Robertson had asked the Bowmans to babysit. He wanted to be with his girlfriend Teddy, who was in the hospital recovering from surgery.

Speaker 10 But as bedtime rolled around, they asked Robert to pick Nikki up.

Speaker 20 We called him and I said, Roberts, you need to take care of the baby tonight because mama's got a cold. But when he come to pick her up, he picked her up right out here.
She did not want to go to him.

Speaker 20 But I didn't think nothing about it. I thought, well, that's just because she don't want to leave me and mama, you know.
So I put her in the car

Speaker 6 and she looked at me.

Speaker 14 I'll never forget. She looked at me like, daddy, what are you doing?

Speaker 14 So when did you learn that she had been taken to the hospital?

Speaker 20 The next morning. We went to the hospital.

Speaker 20 He told us she fell off the bed and hurt her head. The moment I saw my baby laying there in

Speaker 20 Gurney, I knew she was gone. I knew he had done something.

Speaker 1 We sat in the waiting room.

Speaker 20 The doctors was working on the baby, trying to get her revived, and we had a word of prayer with the family.

Speaker 20 And Robert got up and left.

Speaker 10 The Bowmans tell me they were the ones who raised Nikki for the first two years of her life.

Speaker 20 She was born on like Wednesday or Thursday and we got her the next day.

Speaker 10 Larry's daughter, Michelle, is Nikki's mother. Michelle struggled with addiction.
Nikki was taken from her the day she was born.

Speaker 10 She lived with the Bowmans along with another one of Michelle's children.

Speaker 20 I mean they were just typical babies, you know. Me and mama was their mom and daddy.

Speaker 10 So what about Nikki's father, Robert Robertson?

Speaker 8 How did you know about Robert?

Speaker 20 Michelle told us who the daddy was.

Speaker 10 Robert and Michelle were only together for a short time before he ended up in prison on a parole violation. He found out Michelle was pregnant.

Speaker 10 After he was released from prison, he said he wanted custody and got Nikki shortly after her second birthday.

Speaker 20 She had never been with anybody but us up until Robert got her,

Speaker 20 and we really had no choice on that matter.

Speaker 20 Stay to Texas, as long as one of the parents is able to take care of them, grandparents don't have a say.

Speaker 25 Do you think Robert was capable?

Speaker 17 Well,

Speaker 20 he seemed like a nice fella.

Speaker 10 But now he was suspected of abusing Nikki. Robert was told he couldn't go to Dallas to be with his daughter.
It was the Bowmans who were at her bedside. Dr.

Speaker 10 Janet Squires, a pediatrician who specialized in child abuse investigations, examined Nikki and confirmed she'd suffered a massive brain injury.

Speaker 10 She noted bleeding behind Nikki's eyes and on her brain, which was also swollen. Those three symptoms, known as the triad, were the classic signs of shaken baby syndrome.
Dr.

Speaker 10 Squires called the Palestine Police Department with her findings. She said Nikki was a victim of physical abuse and was unlikely to survive.

Speaker 10 Larry Bowman told us a judge in Palestine called the hospital, informing the staff that Robert was no longer allowed to make decisions about Nikki.

Speaker 20 Matter of fact, Judge Bentley told them

Speaker 14 that

Speaker 14 we were the parents.

Speaker 24 Did you have to make the decision to take her off support?

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 21 We did.

Speaker 1 They,

Speaker 6 before they took her off the life

Speaker 2 machine, they let mama hold her

Speaker 20 before they shut her off.

Speaker 14 But they said there was no

Speaker 21 hope.

Speaker 6 She was gone. Yeah.

Speaker 20 As soon as they took the machine off, she was gone.

Speaker 20 We've never forgotten her.

Speaker 14 There was a

Speaker 21 song that

Speaker 20 every time I sang it, I'd get, I still.

Speaker 14 Oh, I want to see him smile, look upon his face, there to sing forever of his saving grace.

Speaker 20 On the streets of glory, let me lift my voice. Cares are past, home at last, ever to rejoice.

Speaker 10 On Friday, February 1st, 2002, at 7.04 p.m., two-year-old Nikki was declared dead. That same night, a judge signed an arrest warrant.
Palestine police took Robert Robertson into custody.

Speaker 10 Prosecutors charged him with capital murder. They were seeking the death penalty.
The trial was about to begin, and Robert's attorney knew he had his work cut out for him.

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Speaker 10 Robert Robertson was locked up in the Anderson County Jail, accused of killing his two-year-old daughter, Nikki. Almost a year to the day after her death, opening statements in his trial began.

Speaker 10 I mean, let's be honest,

Speaker 10 the crime that he was convicted of is horrifying. You know,

Speaker 10 the death of a child is a horrible,

Speaker 10 horrible thing and

Speaker 10 a difficult thing to really reckon.

Speaker 10 The prosecutor at Roberts' trial, Doug Lowe, declined to speak with me, but I was able to track down Robert's lead defense attorney who'd been appointed by the court. His name is Steve Evans.

Speaker 10 I met up with him near downtown Palestine.

Speaker 14 Hey, Lester.

Speaker 10 Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you as well.

Speaker 2 Have you done interviews on this topic before?

Speaker 17 No, this was the very first.

Speaker 10 Evans has practiced practiced law in Palestine for most of his life. Robert was no stranger to him.
He defended him before.

Speaker 17 It was a drug issue, and he did a short period of time on that.

Speaker 24 So when you looked down at your piece of paper and saw Robert Robertson was your defendant, what did you think?

Speaker 17 I was surprised. Because Robert really didn't have the personality that was aggressive or violent.

Speaker 10 Still, after Evans read the medical reports, even he didn't buy his client's story about Nikki falling from the bed.

Speaker 7 Something happened to that child.

Speaker 17 You know, that child didn't just have one or two very remote injuries. That child had a number of injuries, and he was the only one there.

Speaker 17 This happened at a night where this is the only time he had that child alone.

Speaker 10 When the prosecutor offered a plea deal, Evans urged Robert to accept it.

Speaker 24 How many offers, plea offers, came Robert's way?

Speaker 17 About five or six.

Speaker 10 And they were all for life without parole?

Speaker 1 Without parole?

Speaker 6 Yeah, not up and more.

Speaker 17 They were all for years.

Speaker 7 The highest number of years that we had was 50.

Speaker 10 And when you got the pleas, that would have been a victory for you.

Speaker 17 Oh, hell yes.

Speaker 10 But Robert refused again and again, insisting he was innocent. When his trial began in February 2003, the state came out swinging.

Speaker 10 The prosecution's first witness, the ER nurse with the pink scrubs, Kelly Gerganis, she remembered telling the jury that she'd been so disgusted by Robert's behavior, she wanted to spit on him.

Speaker 22 But I was very angry.

Speaker 13 I just remember that cold face. And I looked, and that poor little girl was just, she was dead.

Speaker 10 Detective Brian Wharton testified, too.

Speaker 24 Did you make eye contact with Robert?

Speaker 16 At some point in the trial, I had to point him out.

Speaker 24 Did you have any particular feeling toward him at that moment?

Speaker 16 I always tried really hard not to be an angry man.

Speaker 10 The heart of the prosecution's case was expert medical testimony. Dr.

Speaker 10 Janet Squires, the pediatric specialist in Dallas, told the jury Nikki suffered bleeding behind her eyes and on her brain, which was swollen.

Speaker 10 Three symptoms that were classic signs of shaken baby syndrome. Then came the medical examiner, Dr.
Jill Urban.

Speaker 10 She testified that she'd observed multiple impacts on Nikki and that her injuries were consistent with blows to the head or shaking.

Speaker 10 And prosecutors had a surprising witness, Teddy Cox, Robert's girlfriend at the time, the woman in the wheelchair with Nikki on her lap.

Speaker 10 She testified that she'd seen Robert lose his temper with Nikki before. She'd seen him spank her and once even saw him shake shake Nikki.

Speaker 10 Teddy's 10-year-old daughter said she'd seen Robert shake Nikki about 10 different times. The prosecutors asked her to shake a teddy bear the same way she'd seen Robert shake Nikki.

Speaker 10 Robert's lawyer knew it wasn't looking good.

Speaker 10 Were you keeping a close eye on the jurors?

Speaker 17 Yeah, we knew it was bad

Speaker 17 right from the get-go. The time it was over to me that it was over was the autopsy photos.
Those were the most

Speaker 17 revealing, horrid photos I've ever seen.

Speaker 10 But that was the least of his worries. On top of murder, Robert was facing another charge.

Speaker 10 One of the nurses who examined Nikki in the hospital told the jury she believed Nikki had been the victim of a sexual assault. But midway through the trial, prosecutors ended up dropping the charge.

Speaker 10 Robert's lawyer thought the explosive allegation was prejudicial, and the trial should have ended right there.

Speaker 24 Why was that not grounds for a mistrial?

Speaker 17 I'm loot for it.

Speaker 24 It's a pretty emotional topic, obviously.

Speaker 1 And there was no evidence of any sexual abuse.

Speaker 17 Absolutely none. This was pure inflammatory.

Speaker 10 The judge denied Evans' motion for a mistrial. After three days, the prosecution rested.
Now Evans had to present a defense.

Speaker 10 He told us he didn't argue Robert was innocent because he thought the evidence against him was overwhelming.

Speaker 10 His strategy, he says, was to try to save Robert's life by conceding he did something, but he didn't mean to kill his daughter.

Speaker 7 The evidence is going to come and bulldoze you.

Speaker 25 Either you go in and say, I had nothing to do with this at all, which not many people are going to buy or believe,

Speaker 17 or you accept a degree of responsibility, at least it may give you

Speaker 17 a basis upon which the jury to believe you.

Speaker 10 His argument was that Robert was an overwhelmed parent.

Speaker 7 This was beyond his ability to deal with it, either mentally or emotionally.

Speaker 17 to be able to deal with a young child.

Speaker 10 Evans called a witness to the stand to try to counter what Robert's girlfriend Teddy Cox had said about seeing Robert shaking Nikki in the past.

Speaker 10 Patricia Conklin, Teddy's sister, said Teddy had a reputation for being a liar.

Speaker 10 She testified she'd seen Robert with Nikki many times and said he was gentle and that she'd never seen him be violent with Nikki or anyone. Robert's fate was now in the hands of the jury.

Speaker 10 Hi, Terry.

Speaker 10 Hi, it's so nice to meet you.

Speaker 22 Nice to meet you.

Speaker 10 Thank you for Terry Compton was one of the jurors.

Speaker 10 How much were you paying attention to Robert and his reaction?

Speaker 22 I would glance over, and mainly when I would glance, you would see him just sitting there in the chair with his hands on top of the table. He basically just sat there.

Speaker 10 Terry said Robert's attorney was right about the impact of those autopsy photos.

Speaker 22 They could see what was all going on in her brain and how much bleeding and how much this and how much that. And they actually passed those or showed those pictures in court.

Speaker 2 I don't know how you shake those images.

Speaker 22 You don't.

Speaker 10 But what stood out even more was that stuffed toy demonstration. She remembers how violently the girl shook the teddy bear.
But it was, it obviously had an effect on you. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 22 I sat there and thought, well, yeah, now I can see where, you know, if you have a man Robert's size shaking a baby, I could see where it maybe could have done some violently brain damage.

Speaker 10 Terry said there hadn't been much debate in the deliberation room.

Speaker 22 I'd say everybody pretty much had their mind made up.

Speaker 10 It took the jury only about four hours to find Robert guilty of murder. Robert was sentenced to die and transported to death row.

Speaker 10 More than a decade passed. All of Robert's appeals were denied.
His guilt seemed undeniable, certain.

Speaker 10 That's when out of nowhere came a woman who refused to let Robert and his case die quietly.

Speaker 15 Every time I turn around, there was something new. I'm reading medical records and I'm about to fall out of my chair.

Speaker 10 Next time, in the last appeal.

Speaker 16 When people read that he murdered his daughter, they're not reading the whole story. We made mistakes because we didn't have all the information.

Speaker 10 We were both threatened if we didn't get on board with accusing Robinson.

Speaker 12 If they go through with it, they're killing an innocent man.

Speaker 10 The Last Appeal is a production of Dateline and NBC News. It is written and produced by Dan Slepian, Liz Brown Kurloff, and Lynn Keller.
Our field producers are Nick McElroy and Rachel Yong.

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Speaker 10 Paul Ryan is executive producer, and Liz Cole is senior executive producer of Dateline.

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