Sound and Fury

1h 23m
When the wife of a popular Atlanta DJ is found murdered with her two young children at home, investigators try to unravel what happened. The chilling echo of another DJ's murder just months prior raises suspicions of a targeted attack on the city's music community. Stephanie Gosk reports.

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Speaker 4 Tonight on Dateline.

Speaker 6 He comes in to the frame. That's Tiffany's son.
After Tiffany is shot and killed in her bedroom, he's looking for someone looking for help.

Speaker 6 Two years old.

Speaker 7 That hits home.

Speaker 8 All they're saying is it was a home invasion and Tiffany was killed.

Speaker 9 The fact that the kids were in the house, heartbreaking.

Speaker 10 I still couldn't get over it.

Speaker 11 Such a loving mother. She was very, very proud of her work.

Speaker 9 Ambitious, had the goals, had the career. Both had great jobs.

Speaker 6 Mr. Pugh was a DJ in the Atlanta area.
He's pretty well known.

Speaker 6 There were probably five, six cameras in the home and outside the home.

Speaker 10 He had reason to be concerned.

Speaker 6 Apparently so.

Speaker 8 There was talk about the other DJ who was murdered.

Speaker 12 It's way too coincidental. They were both working a really prominent club named Onyx.

Speaker 13 When he got killed, it just hit me different. You know, why him?

Speaker 14 Everybody's saying, wait, is this a DJ thing? Was it an angry customer? Was it an angry artist?

Speaker 15 Who actually pulled the trigger?

Speaker 16 My heart dropped.

Speaker 17 I said, Whoa.

Speaker 2 A businesswoman, a mom, a target.

Speaker 4 Who killed the DJ's wife? I'm Lester Holt, and this is Dateline.

Speaker 4 Here's Stephanie Gosk with

Speaker 4 Sound and Fury.

Speaker 7 Atlanta 911 off the way to 607.

Speaker 16 I need somebody at Lake Caveaway right now.

Speaker 10 6 a.m. November 23rd, 2014.

Speaker 10 A 911 call rattled the pre-dawn stillness of a quiet Atlanta suburb.

Speaker 16 Tiffany! Tiffany! Oh my gosh.

Speaker 18 Please, I think my wife was murdered.

Speaker 10 The caller said he had raced home after his home security company notified him about a possible break-in. When he went inside, he found his wife dead.

Speaker 19 Oh my God.

Speaker 10 The frantic man on the line was Andre Pugh, a well-known DJ in Atlanta's hip-hop club scene.

Speaker 10 As officers arrived at his house, Andre placed another desperate call to Tamika Smith, a close family friend, and told her to come to the house right away.

Speaker 11 We just just went there. Got in the car and we just went there.

Speaker 10 By the time Tamiko arrived, it was daybreak. Describe the scene for me at the house.

Speaker 11 You know, you had the EMT in the driveway. You had

Speaker 11 quite a few police cars.

Speaker 11 Detective cars were there.

Speaker 10 Did you have a feeling it was bad?

Speaker 11 I knew it was bad because of the tape.

Speaker 10 East Point, Georgia Police Sergeant Alan Glover was the first detective on the scene.

Speaker 6 At the time, I knew of a burglary in which there was

Speaker 6 a person dead inside, a homicide.

Speaker 10 He entered the house and saw the body of Andre's wife, Tiffany Jackson Pugh.

Speaker 6 There was a lot of blood.

Speaker 6 Miss Pugh was obviously deceased, and she was shot once in the chest, and then it appeared to be that she was shot at close range in her eye.

Speaker 10 You have to be a pretty cold-hearted killer to shoot someone who is awake looking at you at close range, don't you?

Speaker 6 Yes.

Speaker 6 Yes, for sure.

Speaker 10 Sergeant Glover would learn one more heartbreaking and horrific detail. First responders had found the Pew's two-year-old son, Andre Jr., in bed with Tiffany.

Speaker 10 AJ was crying hysterically and trying to wake her. Thankfully, he was unharmed.

Speaker 6 One of our officers actually had to take the child from

Speaker 6 Miss Pew

Speaker 6 and take the child outside to the father.

Speaker 10 What ran through your mind when you heard that?

Speaker 17 It hurt.

Speaker 18 It hurt bad.

Speaker 6 It hurt me for her.

Speaker 6 It hurt me for the family.

Speaker 10 Outside the house, Tamika still didn't know what had happened. While she waited anxiously for news, she spotted Tiffany and Andre's other child, seven-year-old daughter Jasmine.

Speaker 10 sitting in one of the police cars.

Speaker 11 She's like, TT, why are the police and the ambulance at my house?

Speaker 16 I was like, Jasmine, I don't know, we're still trying to figure it out.

Speaker 10 It wouldn't take long. Tamika soon learned her friend Tiffany was dead.

Speaker 16 That's when it hit me, because I started, tears started rolling.

Speaker 11 It was like

Speaker 11 living a nightmare that you just wanted to wake up from.

Speaker 10 By now, Andre had left the scene for the police station to answer some routine questions. He took AJ, still inconsolable, with him.
How did Andre and AJ end up at the police station together?

Speaker 11 Because AJ would not go to anybody else.

Speaker 10 As Sergeant Glover kept moving through the house, he learned that security sensors on two windows had been tripped. Glover couldn't find any broken windows.

Speaker 10 He suspected the gunshots set off the security sensors, so he searched for the shooter's point of entry.

Speaker 6 It appeared to be a back window or the back door. The back door was open, and also one of the windows downstairs were open as well.

Speaker 10 In the basement, is this the basement area?

Speaker 17 Correct.

Speaker 6 Near the door in the basement was a palm print that we located, and we did send that for forensic analysis.

Speaker 10 What other evidence was gathered at the scene?

Speaker 6 We did find some gloves in a trash can in a bathroom.

Speaker 12 What kind of gloves?

Speaker 6 Looked like surgical gloves, and they were turned inside out, like somebody possibly had quickly discarded them.

Speaker 6 So we took those and had them

Speaker 6 checked for evidence.

Speaker 10 Did you think maybe the killer left DNA behind in these gloves?

Speaker 6 Quite possibly.

Speaker 10 Police didn't find a murder weapon or any shell casings. Glover then searched the rest of the house.
If this was in fact a burglary gone bad, He wanted to know what, if anything, had been taken.

Speaker 6 There's some things that are disheveled around the house, but

Speaker 6 it wasn't like it was

Speaker 6 ransacked. I couldn't tell that anything was missing.

Speaker 10 By now, it was clear this wasn't a botched burglary. That left the detective with just one other option.
A targeted killing.

Speaker 6 An execution. I mean, a pure execution.
Nothing more, nothing less.

Speaker 11 How can someone harm such a sweet person and such a loving mother?

Speaker 10 For Sergeant Glover, it would become an investigation like no other.

Speaker 6 This young lady had no business dying. None.
I wasn't letting this one go.

Speaker 10 It would take him into Atlanta's glitzy and high-stakes club scene, a world already reeling from another murder.

Speaker 22 Was it someone targeting this lifestyle?

Speaker 10 And when the killer finally came into focus, no one could believe it.

Speaker 9 No heart, no regard for life.

Speaker 23 A monster.

Speaker 10 As dawn broke over Atlanta, word began to spread. Tiffany Jackson Pugh, a young wife and mother, had been murdered in her bed.

Speaker 10 Tiffany's close friend, Kenya Wisenant, was at her daughter's dance class when she received a horrifying text from a friend.

Speaker 17 It said,

Speaker 8 Tiffany is dead.

Speaker 10 Kenya called her immediately.

Speaker 8 And she was like, you haven't heard? And I was like, heard what? What are you talking about?

Speaker 8 And

Speaker 8 she said, all they're saying is it was a home invasion and Tiffany was killed. I just remember letting out this huge, what?

Speaker 8 I'm literally causing a scene because I'm just

Speaker 8 devastated.

Speaker 10 What do you make of that timing?

Speaker 10 For her to be killed at that hour with both her very small children in the home.

Speaker 8 Heartless.

Speaker 10 Tiffany's colleague and friend, Karmitria Burton, got a call from a co-worker.

Speaker 25 She said, Tiffany's dead. They found her dead.

Speaker 9 Her son was on her chest and she was dead.

Speaker 22 I said, no, that, no.

Speaker 10 Tiffany's dad, Tommy Jackson, was 2,000 miles away when he heard the news.

Speaker 7 I go, what?

Speaker 28 You can't be telling me this. The enormity of it was almost unbearable.

Speaker 10 Along with the agony came the question, who would want to harm such a vibrant and loving daughter, wife, and mother? No one who knew her could fathom it.

Speaker 8 She was just very warm and loving. Like it was, you just couldn't help but be happy around her.

Speaker 10 Kenya worked with Tiffany at Delta Airlines.

Speaker 8 It was just an instant connection when we met. You know, every morning we had this thing,

Speaker 8 we come in, whoever got there first, it's like, hey girl.

Speaker 10 Damika Smith also met Tiffany at Delta. The two became fast friends.
What was it about Tiffany that you connected to so strongly?

Speaker 11 Her personality.

Speaker 11 She

Speaker 11 was a very caring person, very friendly, easy to

Speaker 11 get along with.

Speaker 10 Tiffany was a rising star at the airline where she worked as a commodities manager.

Speaker 9 We actually had pegged her as one to watch in the organization. She was just a go-getter.

Speaker 10 Cormetria said the thing about Tiffany that stood out most was her character.

Speaker 9 You know how you just meet kind people?

Speaker 15 That was her.

Speaker 9 She was just kind and just a nice young girl, quiet, but she smiled a lot.

Speaker 8 Tiffany liked having a good time. Oh, she loved having a good time.
She loved to dance. Dancing, anything with music just moved her.

Speaker 10 So it made sense when Tiffany started dating a DJ, Andre Pugh, known in the clubs as DJ Awesome.

Speaker 10 What were your impressions?

Speaker 11 Very nice guy. I mean, you know, he was a jokester.

Speaker 10 He had a good personality.

Speaker 11 He had a great personality, yeah.

Speaker 10 Tiffany started dating Andre when she was in college.

Speaker 28 I got to know Andre pretty well. He lost his father early in his life, so I became kind of a father figure for him.

Speaker 10 Did he seem like an industrious young guy to you?

Speaker 28 Pretty industrious in terms of what he wanted in life.

Speaker 10 Back then, Andre had two jobs. He too worked at Delta, the day shift, but his nights belonged to the clubs.

Speaker 11 For him, the DJ position was, the money was great, and I think it was something he just loved to do.

Speaker 10 Tiffany didn't have a lot of time for the club scene, but she was thrilled Andre had a passion.

Speaker 10 we would often go to the club certain nights and just kind of sit in the dj booth while he worked i think it was exciting for her he knew a lot of people four years after tiffany and andre started dating little jasmine arrived tiffany was over the moon if you looked up mother her picture would be there she enjoyed being a mother A couple of months later, the couple decided to marry.

Speaker 10 Andre took his future father-in-law to a jewelry store where his best friend Adrian worked to pick out a ring.

Speaker 28 He picks up his ring from his best friend who was a salmon at the time, and he showed it to me first before he presented it to Tiffany.

Speaker 10 The wedding was on Valentine's Day. Daughter Jasmine was the flower girl.
Was it a special day for you and your wife?

Speaker 28 Yes. It was a special day for both of us, for all of us.

Speaker 10 Then came Andre Jr. and a new home.

Speaker 26 Say hi, Yaya.

Speaker 12 Hi, Yaya. They were both great parents.

Speaker 11 Seeing them so young and just kind of evolving from purchasing a home, you know, building a family was just kind of exciting to watch.

Speaker 10 Tiffany celebrated her 30th birthday just weeks before she was killed. Happy birthday to you.

Speaker 10 Which made the news of her murder all the more tragic.

Speaker 6 We were just beginning our process of interviewing everyone that knew Miss Pugh, family members, co-workers,

Speaker 6 everybody.

Speaker 10 Sergeant Glover started with Tiffany's husband, Andre.

Speaker 6 Mr. Pugh may have information of who may have been angry at him, may have been angry at Miss Pugh.

Speaker 6 Mr. Pugh was very distraught in the interview.
He had just lost his wife, so we were being very compassionate about that.

Speaker 26 This is painful. This is hurtful.
I have two young kids. I don't know how to explain this to them.

Speaker 6 He was upset, wanted to know who

Speaker 6 did this and wanted to get to the bottom of it. The person that did this to your wife, they've got every reason to worry.

Speaker 5 I hope so.

Speaker 4 I pray you guys find them.

Speaker 26 I pray you guys find them.

Speaker 10 Glover asked Andre all the typical questions a detective would ask the spouse of a murder victim. Give me your start-to-finish version of what happened.

Speaker 26 Okay, I work at Clubbonyx, left work probably about 5:15 in the morning,

Speaker 26 and I was on my way to another club.

Speaker 6 Mr. Pugh said that he was going to a friend's club after he left club Onyx to watch him DJ.
He was en route there when he got the call from the security company.

Speaker 10 Did you ask him about Tiffany and their relationship?

Speaker 7 Yes.

Speaker 6 Asked Andre

Speaker 6 how the marriage was. He said it was fine, just like any others, you know, not without fault and good days, bad days, but it was a good marriage.

Speaker 10 What did he tell you about Tiffany?

Speaker 6 Mr. Pugh said that Tiffany gets along with everybody,

Speaker 6 doesn't have any enemies that he knows of.

Speaker 6 Just a good person.

Speaker 10 Sergeant Glover was also still working the crime scene, which so far yielded few clues. No unusual fingerprints.
As for those surgical gloves, there was no DNA on them.

Speaker 10 And that palm print, police couldn't find a match. But there was something else inside the house that caught the detective's eye.

Speaker 29 The camera system at your house,

Speaker 26 how many cameras does it have?

Speaker 26 It has,

Speaker 26 I believe, seven working cameras.

Speaker 6 They have a, looks to be a really good video camera surveillance system. So that piqued my interest.

Speaker 10 You think there's a pretty good chance you could have the murderer in the house?

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Speaker 10 The funeral for Tiffany Jackson Pugh filled the very large Elizabeth Baptist Church one week after her murder.

Speaker 11 She had friends from college, of course, everyone from work, people that Andre knew were there in attendance.

Speaker 10 Tiffany touched a lot of people's lives, didn't she? She did.

Speaker 11 She did.

Speaker 11 And it was reflected in that service.

Speaker 8 I remember it was a ton of people there. The church was full.

Speaker 10 What does that say about Tiffany? Were you surprised to see

Speaker 7 that?

Speaker 8 Tiffany was that girl. Tiffany was an amazing woman, mother, spouse.

Speaker 10 Did you come across any reason why anyone would want to hurt her, let alone kill her?

Speaker 6 No, Tiffany had no enemies. She was just a pillar of society.

Speaker 10 You had a killer on the loose who just killed a woman totally innocent, not involved with anything, a businesswoman who worked at Delta.

Speaker 18 Correct.

Speaker 6 And the community was looking for answers, just as we were.

Speaker 10 By now, Glover had discovered some extraordinary evidence that he hoped would put him inside the Pew home at the very moment Tiffany was murdered.

Speaker 10 Video from the Pew's home security system.

Speaker 6 How many cameras does it have?

Speaker 26 It has,

Speaker 26 I believe, seven working cameras. Two on the sides,

Speaker 26 one over the garage, one pointing at the front door, one shooting inside the house, one on the patio, and one by the back door.

Speaker 10 That's a lot of cameras.

Speaker 6 Mr. Pugh was a DJ in the Atlanta area.
He's pretty well known, and you know, he wanted home safety.

Speaker 10 Did he think he had reason to be concerned?

Speaker 6 Apparently so. Do you think there'll be something on the video?

Speaker 16 I don't know.

Speaker 26 I don't know.

Speaker 26 Because the way my cameras are set up, they hidden.

Speaker 26 So unless you seen my house thousands of times, that's the only way you say, oh yeah, there's a camera right there.

Speaker 6 We always hope for that smoking gun. We always hope for that

Speaker 6 one frame of that one video that shows who may have committed this crime.

Speaker 10 But that's not what Glover found on that video.

Speaker 6 Inside the home, we saw...

Speaker 6 Actually, not a lot. It's dark.
You can't hear anything. There's no audio.

Speaker 10 But you don't see the shooter.

Speaker 6 We never saw the shooter inside the home on the surveillance footage.

Speaker 10 How surprising is that with all those cameras in there that you don't see the shooter?

Speaker 6 I was disheartened to take the route that apparently was taken.

Speaker 6 You would have been pretty lucky not to have hit any of the cameras.

Speaker 10 Still, the video did provide some clues.

Speaker 6 Here you have the foyer area of the Pew household. There's no movement in the house.

Speaker 10 Then suddenly Glover noticed something in the early morning air.

Speaker 6 If you'll notice right here you see dust particles. These dust particles that fly up we believe those are the initial shot.

Speaker 10 Dust Glover believed shaken from the house when the gun went off which gave the detectives a better idea of when Tiffany was murdered.

Speaker 10 Minutes later on the video Glover saw something even this seasoned detective found hard to watch.

Speaker 6 You'll see AJ AJ come into the view. AJ had been sleeping with Tiffany,

Speaker 6 was probably in her arms at the time that she was killed.

Speaker 6 And then he comes in to the frame,

Speaker 6 probably disoriented, looking for someone, looking for help.

Speaker 6 We shed some tears on this video for sure.

Speaker 6 Two years old,

Speaker 23 Upstairs, a daughter.

Speaker 7 That hits home.

Speaker 10 With little evidence revealed by the indoor cameras, Glover turned his attention to the cameras outside.

Speaker 10 Did they show you anything?

Speaker 6 The one in front, over the garage, did show us Mr. Pugh pulling the driveway while he was on the phone with 911.

Speaker 6 But as far as the possible shooter,

Speaker 6 nothing initially.

Speaker 10 But when the sergeant rewound the tape, he saw something interesting and suspicious. A car passed by the Pew House, not once, but three times.

Speaker 10 The third time, the car came to a stop just beyond the house,

Speaker 10 and right around the time Tiffany was shot.

Speaker 10 Clever wanted to know why that car was there and who was in it.

Speaker 10 As details about Tiffany's murder spread, her friends couldn't shake one horrifying thought. The possibility Tiffany's son AJ was in her arms when she was shot.

Speaker 9 Knowing that the kids were in the house said to me there was no regard for the children. It said to me they wanted to get the job done by any means necessary.
They didn't care.

Speaker 10 There is the immediate danger involved. Absolutely.
A gunman in the house.

Speaker 7 Absolutely. And then there's the trauma.

Speaker 10 Absolutely. I'm seeing that.

Speaker 8 Seeing it.

Speaker 10 By now, Sergeant Glover was focusing his attention on a mysterious car parked in front of the Pew House when the murder occurred. You see the car enter the frame here.

Speaker 10 What does it tell you and what doesn't it tell you?

Speaker 6 We could tell there's a dark color vehicle. We're not sure of the color, but that's about it.

Speaker 10 Clever checked to see if the car was Andres.

Speaker 10 It was not. You can still see the taillight there, but can you make out the tag?

Speaker 6 Cannot make out the tag. The quality is just not good enough on that camera.

Speaker 10 Not only that, the car stopped just far enough out of frame so you couldn't see who was driving it. So the car pulls outside of camera view.
And what do you think?

Speaker 18 What I thought was,

Speaker 18 crap.

Speaker 6 I wish he would have, or she would have stopped sooner. And I may have been able to seen them get out of the vehicle.
But at that point, I was like, okay, I do have at least some sort of a vehicle.

Speaker 10 Was it moving at a time of day and in a manner that looked suspicious?

Speaker 6 Oh, yes.

Speaker 10 A timestamp on the security footage put the car in front of the house just one minute before police believe Tiffany was shot.

Speaker 10 You're looking at that car thinking, this could be our murderer in this car, right?

Speaker 7 Correct.

Speaker 6 From our other information and the other cameras and the shots ringing out inside the home, we believe that the driver of that vehicle exited and went in the home and that's when they executed Miss Pugh.

Speaker 10 Sergeant Glover then watched the car pull away. If Glover's theory was correct, it took the shooter just under three minutes to kill Tiffany.
That's kind of fast, right?

Speaker 18 Very fast.

Speaker 6 We think at that time that the shooter knew exactly what he or she wanted to do. They weren't there to steal anything.
They were there to kill Miss Pugh. They were very methodical, very quick.

Speaker 10 As for the car's first two drive-bys, Glover suspected they were for reconnaissance.

Speaker 10 Here you can see the driver stopped for several seconds before pulling away.

Speaker 6 This appeared to be the shooter casing the home.

Speaker 10 What's more, it seemed the shooter knew to avoid not just the inside cameras, but the outside camera as well by stopping so the driver was just out of frame.

Speaker 10 You've got all those cameras set up and the person's not on camera. You've got no fingerprints.
You've got no shell casings, which would mean they'd probably picked them up.

Speaker 10 Certainly, it seems to be a bit of sophistication. in how it was executed.

Speaker 6 It appears that luck played a part and also

Speaker 6 sophistication due to being planned, apparently for weeks.

Speaker 10 For weeks.

Speaker 6 I think so.

Speaker 10 But there was one security camera Tiffany's killer may not have known about.

Speaker 10 It was on a home next to this cul-de-sac, just two doors away from the Pew house. The homeowner shared his footage with police.

Speaker 6 Someone handed us a jump drive that was a video from two houses down.

Speaker 19 A neighbor.

Speaker 6 A neighbor of Pew's, two houses down, of surveillance of the front of the house that was facing this cul-de-sac down here.

Speaker 6 A lot of times people give you information that it proves to be nothing,

Speaker 6 but sometimes it proves to be something, and this proved to be something.

Speaker 10 On this footage, investigators could see the same car that parked in front of the Pew home, but now they could tell it was black. Was this video from the neighbor much better quality?

Speaker 6 Much better. As the car goes by, the neighbor's floodlight comes on,

Speaker 6 which shines on the car and brightens it for us.

Speaker 6 You actually saw a pretty decent view of the vehicle. And actually,

Speaker 6 the window was rolled down at one point to where you could actually see someone inside.

Speaker 10 Still no way to ID the driver, but on this tape, Glover saw another tantalizing detail.

Speaker 6 The front left headlight appeared to be

Speaker 6 inoperable. Parking light, running light, or headlight.
We weren't sure at the time, but one of those lights was out.

Speaker 10 But that's pretty notable and pretty identifiable, right?

Speaker 6 That's definitely notable. And if later on you find a vehicle that looks like it, you can check.

Speaker 10 Rewinding the tape, Glover saw that before the black car got to the Pew's house, it pulled into the neighboring cul-de-sac,

Speaker 10 where a second car was parked.

Speaker 6 When I first watched the video, I could see a cul-de-sac, which was pretty obvious that it was this cul-de-sac.

Speaker 6 This cul-de-sac here, and there were two vehicles, and one would leave and go this way, and then it would come back, and then they would meet up again.

Speaker 10 The first video, you see one car.

Speaker 17 Correct.

Speaker 10 Second video, now you're seeing two cars. And what does that tell you?

Speaker 6 Well, it was obvious that there was at least two people that were were involved at that point.

Speaker 10 What were the chances that this was just

Speaker 10 casual meetup in the middle of the night just down the road from where Tiffany Pugh was killed?

Speaker 6 It felt to me it was a part of a conspiracy to commit the murder of Ms. Pugh.

Speaker 10 So now you're not just looking for one murderer, you're looking for two.

Speaker 6 At least two. I didn't know at that time how many people were in each vehicle, so.

Speaker 10 Sergeant Glover wanted to know who was in those two cars lying in wait, he believed, to kill Tiffany. When the sergeant asked Andre, he said he had no idea who might have been there that night.

Speaker 28 You can't think of anybody that would want to harm her or you?

Speaker 26 I mean, not off the top of my head. If I can think of somebody, I would have given you a name.
As soon as I came in here, I would have gave you a name.

Speaker 10 But in that same interview, Andre said something that got Glover's attention. Andre mentioned there was trouble at Club Onyx not long before Tiffany was killed.

Speaker 37 I heard that was over some money.

Speaker 26 I don't, I try not to own a lot of money.

Speaker 10 It was something Andre also shared with Tiffany's friend Tamika. He had some concerns that there was some violence connected to Club Onyx.

Speaker 11 Yes, that someone was out there and they had a target for DJs.

Speaker 10 What could Atlanta's club scene have to do with this suburban mom's murder? Sergeant Glover was determined to find out.

Speaker 6 People get mad if you don't play their music. And if you don't, you know, sometimes there's violence.

Speaker 39 Somebody's going to have a conflict with the fact that somebody else is getting a lot of recognition, the mentality and the ego that's involved. There's going to be some clashes.

Speaker 10 Tiffany Jackson Pugh's husband Andre told investigators he wondered if her murder might have something to do with his job as a DJ at Onyx, one of the hottest hip-hop clubs in Atlanta.

Speaker 10 The city's music scene could get intense, with ambitious DJs competing for top spots in the booth and young rap artists offering up a lot of cash to get their songs played, desperate desperate for a big break.

Speaker 10 As Sergeant Glover investigated the murder, he learned that in Andre's world, there's a lot of fame and money at stake.

Speaker 6 Mr. Pugh says that a lot of people want them to play their music.
When an aspiring rapper comes into Club Onyx and they hand you a CD of their music, They either play it or they don't play it.

Speaker 6 And if they don't play it, you know, a lot of times people get upset about that.

Speaker 10 Sergeant Glover wondered if that anger might have turned to violence. Because Atlanta isn't just a place where people come to listen to music.
It's a city where rap careers can be made or broken.

Speaker 28 There's the earth, there's the world, and then there's Atlanta.

Speaker 39 You know, with the Ryan Cameron rewind, they're called.

Speaker 10 Ryan Cameron is a globally syndicated radio DJ in Atlanta. He says for rappers to make it here, they first have to impress the DJs in the clubs.
DJs like Andre.

Speaker 39 The DJ is like the Wizard of Oz. He is the person that is behind the curtain that kind of makes everything go.
He is a conductor. He is the one that keeps the tempo going.

Speaker 39 He is the one that dictates everything. And the music that he uses is kind of like the sheet music of an orchestra.

Speaker 10 So DJs wield a lot of power.

Speaker 7 They absolutely wield a lot of power.

Speaker 12 It's their ears that count the most.

Speaker 10 Journalist Christina Lee covers Atlanta's music scene. She says there's a reason club DJs are so influential.
It's the people who come come out to listen to them.

Speaker 12 You have radio DJs that are trying to pick up on what the next hit is going to be. You have label execs trying to figure out, okay, we need to sign the next great artist.

Speaker 12 Who is that artist going to be? You can have music managers. It's a great place to network.

Speaker 10 Celebrities like Usher, Killer Mike, Gucci Main, and Drake have all turned up to party in Atlanta's clubs. But these aren't just any clubs.

Speaker 10 They're strip clubs, a focal point for Atlanta's music scene for decades.

Speaker 12 What's really interesting is that in this particular time period, strip clubs are emerging as like a testing ground for music.

Speaker 13 That changed the culture of the music. Rose, baby, waste to straight!

Speaker 10 International hip-hop star Jeezy, seen here performing in front of thousands at the 2024 Dreamville Festival, has sold more than 5 million records.

Speaker 13 But he says it's the people who first heard him in Atlanta who turned him into a star you could be from Denver you could be from Kentucky you could be for wherever but when you're there what do you hear you hear our music what do you take back when you go home what you heard what do you tell people when you like what you listening to I heard this in the strip club I heard this in Atlanta and that's how the music is being spread

Speaker 10 but Atlanta's strip clubs also became known for a lot more You have five-star cuisine and an executive chef. First-class service, sophisticated lighting, and state-of-the-art sound systems.

Speaker 10 Club Onyx, where Andre performed as DJ Awesome, was at the top of the list. Sabrina Swinger was the club's house mom, supervising the dancers.
She's seen many DJs go from regular guys to stars.

Speaker 10 That's what Andre Pugh was hoping for when he started at Onyx.

Speaker 22 He DJed in college at college parties. Then he landed this job at a strip club.

Speaker 22 You know, it's a big difference from a college party DJ to a major club.

Speaker 10 Tiffany's father, Tommy Jackson, says both he and Tiffany supported Andre.

Speaker 10 When did you learn that he wasn't just DJing at clubs, he was DJing at strip clubs?

Speaker 28 I think he felt that he could make a lot more money in a strip club. And Tiffany, she seemed to be okay with it.

Speaker 28 Matter of fact, she had actually went there with him and sat in the booth with him while he was spending records.

Speaker 10 What did you think of Tiffany?

Speaker 22 She was so sweet.

Speaker 7 She fit in.

Speaker 22 She was cool. She would come to the Christmas party.
She embraced the girls. We danced.
They were like the nicest couple.

Speaker 10 But Tiffany was wise enough to understand that even in this welcoming environment, the pressure could be intense.

Speaker 10 Everyone knew the DJs could crown the next star, and they were often swarmed by up-and-coming artists looking for a break. But there was no guarantee they'd get one.

Speaker 6 You know, people get mad if you don't play their music. I mean, they're aspiring rappers.
They can hit the big time if you play their music. And if you don't, you know, sometimes there's violence.

Speaker 10 Now, police had to wonder if that violence had entered Tiffany's home. Especially since almost the same thing happened just months before, involving another DJ from Onyx.

Speaker 5 and another brutal murder.

Speaker 12 It's way too coincidental that there are two DJs who are very prominent at Onyx having these incidents happen to them.

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Speaker 10 Just 10 months before Tiffany Jackson Pugh was killed at home, there was another murder connected to Club Onyx.

Speaker 10 William Fernando Barnes, aka DJ Nando, had finished up a shift when he pulled up at his house in a quiet Atlanta suburb.

Speaker 10 As he got out of his car, a gunman suddenly appeared and shot him to death in his driveway.

Speaker 10 There was very little Sergeant Alan Glover knew about Nando's shooter.

Speaker 10 Who raised the issue of DJ Nando to you and his murder?

Speaker 6 Andre did.

Speaker 26 I'm not sure if you know, but a DJ was murdered in January that worked with us, right in front of his doorstep.

Speaker 10 Did it seem an unlikely coincidence that you would have two two murders like this associated with the same club?

Speaker 6 It seemed unlikely in the same year, yes.

Speaker 10 According to her friend Kenya, Tiffany had been rattled by DJ Nando's murder.

Speaker 8 She was friends with him. It was close to home.

Speaker 10 So you guys talked about that.

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 8 I think for Tiffany, immediate thought was: okay, my husband DJs at the same club.

Speaker 8 Is it something, are they coming after the DJs at that club?

Speaker 10 Nando's death shocked everyone.

Speaker 14 Nando was the king amongst kings.

Speaker 10 Nick Love, who managed a group of local DJs, says Nando was one of the best-known DJs at Onyx.

Speaker 14 Nando paid attention to every single thing in that club. So Nando's nights even sounded different than the other nights.
It was louder.

Speaker 14 The bass hit harder because Nando was bringing in his own speakers using his own sound system.

Speaker 22 From the time you you hit the parking lot, you hear his music, you feel his vibe.

Speaker 10 Nando also knew how to work the crowd, sometimes getting the wealthier customers to tip huge amounts of money.

Speaker 12 He would really raw people up being like, I know you got more money to tip. I know you got more money to tip.

Speaker 12 Like, and so when all these artists are coming to see what's coming up, he's like, you know, having them drop 10,000, 20,000, 30,000.

Speaker 12 A downpour that covered the dance floor dancers between songs are bringing out plastic bags and raking in the money and collecting it so that the floor is clean for the next song they're sweeping cash off the floor of the club is that they're sweeping cash onto the floor because otherwise you might slip

Speaker 10 nando was also making lots of cash as a top dj Andre was hoping to capture some of that same magic as he tried working his way to the top.

Speaker 12 There's so many different tiers of DJs, and so everybody works through the ranks as such before they get to what's known as prime time, i.e. when everybody's going to want to go to the strip clubs.

Speaker 12 And so Nando held down those prime time shifts.

Speaker 10 Tiffany's friend Karmitria Burton learned that Andre envied Nando's status and his shifts.

Speaker 9 He had a coveted spot and that's a pretty big deal in a strip club from what I understand. And Andre wanted that.

Speaker 10 There was a lot to envy about Nando. His influence went far beyond the doors of Onyx.
How big a star did he become in this world? Nando became a huge star in this world.

Speaker 12 Imagine you have Usher calling you at any hour in any given day being like, what song should I push as a single next?

Speaker 12 Nando had that type of reputation.

Speaker 10 Nando gave many young artists their start, like hip-hop star Jeezy. How wild was it to have your record played start to finish

Speaker 10 at a club by Nando?

Speaker 13 It was unbelievable.

Speaker 10 Jeezy says it was Nando who helped turn him from a street kid to rap royalty.

Speaker 13 I'll never forget he had a real conversation with me one day. This is his exact words.
He said, don't let them kill you. Don't let them take you out because there's something bigger for you.

Speaker 13 Without DJ Nando, I probably wouldn't be sitting here in front of you now.

Speaker 13 You know, I would have probably got caught up in everything that happens to anybody that's in the streets, and that's death of jail.

Speaker 10 Nando may have helped launch Jeezy to Superstardom, but that doesn't happen for all young artists.

Speaker 10 Nando would also refuse to play music if it didn't meet his standards, and that could cause tempers to flare. Did someone have it in for Nando? Investigators didn't know.

Speaker 10 But Nando's friends said in the months before he died, he seemed on edge.

Speaker 14 The weird thing that we all kind of seem to remember is that Nando had all of a sudden started carrying a gun with him,

Speaker 39 which was unusual for him.

Speaker 14 He just seemed a little more antsy, a little bit more stressed.

Speaker 10 And then in the early hours of January 14th, 2014, Nando was shot dead in his driveway. Onyx house mom, Sabrina Swinger, got a phone call.

Speaker 22 And before I could say hello, all I heard was screaming.

Speaker 16 Just screaming, these cries.

Speaker 22 I will never forget those screams.

Speaker 14 After Nando gets killed, now it's like, okay, everybody's on high alert. And what happened? None of the DJs knew.
Nobody could tell me anything.

Speaker 10 Just 10 months later, Tiffany was killed the same brutal way. Andre wondered if he had been the target.
And Tiffany was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Speaker 26 I don't know if somebody followed me on. I don't know if somebody was waiting for me.
I don't know if somebody followed me before.

Speaker 26 I don't know.

Speaker 10 There was something investigators noticed at Tiffany's home, something from that security footage the morning she died. It captured a man arriving at the scene, even before the police.

Speaker 40 I will tell you,

Speaker 40 that was very odd to us.

Speaker 10 Detectives probing the death of young mom Tiffany Jackson Pugh were were looking closely at Onyx, the hip-hop club where her husband Andre worked under the name DJ Awesome.

Speaker 10 Less than a year earlier, another DJ named Nando had also been murdered, both shot to death, execution style, at home. The people working at the clubs were on edge.

Speaker 14 Just the DJ community took it really, really hard.

Speaker 14 DJs are looking around and saying, wait, people are

Speaker 1 like, people are killing us?

Speaker 10 There was good reason to be scared.

Speaker 14 So just to backtrack, Nanov gets killed in January. In Christmas Eve, my house got broken into.

Speaker 14 A month before that, one of our other DJs' tires got slashed. And then all of a sudden, Awesome's wife gets killed.
Now,

Speaker 14 everybody's saying, wait, hold on. Is this a DJ thing?

Speaker 10 Sergeant Alan Glover wanted to know, too. and tried to figure out what, if anything, was happening at the club that might have contributed to the two murders.

Speaker 10 As he studied the details of the case, he delved into something unusual he'd noticed on the security footage outside Tiffany's home on the night she was killed.

Speaker 10 Minutes after Andre called 911, his supervisor from the club suddenly showed up at the house, arriving even before the police did.

Speaker 6 You initially see Mr. Pugh.
pull up and his Nissan,

Speaker 6 and then Cliff Adams pulls up, which is his work boss from Club Onyx.

Speaker 10 What did Cliff Adams do at Club Onyx?

Speaker 22 He started off being security at Onyx and then they promoted him to be the manager over the VIP area.

Speaker 14 Cliff was

Speaker 14 management slash security slash

Speaker 14 boss man.

Speaker 14 If you were anybody who was trying to move and shake, you know, within that building, you needed to know Cliff.

Speaker 10 What was Cliff Adams' reputation?

Speaker 7 Cliff and I were okay,

Speaker 22 but Cliff's reputation was known to be, you know, stern.

Speaker 10 According to Nick Love, Cliff and Nando regularly butted heads.

Speaker 14 When Cliff would, you know, maybe allow another DJ to use Nando's system or tell Nando that he could or couldn't do something, that would cause some friction. But again, never enough to...

Speaker 14 Where anybody felt like, okay, Nando is in danger because there is this clashing. We thought it was just men clashing in a highly testosterone-filled environment.

Speaker 10 Sabrina says the relationship between Cliff and Andre was different.

Speaker 22 Him and Andre became

Speaker 22 really, that was one of his best friends.

Speaker 10 They were tight.

Speaker 22 Yeah.

Speaker 10 So when Andre appeared to be at his weakest moment, he turned to Cliff for help, phoning him just after the security company reported there'd been a break-in.

Speaker 6 He called

Speaker 6 Cliff Adams to come to the house. This was all during the time that the murder had just occurred.

Speaker 10 He called his boss before he called the police?

Speaker 16 Correct.

Speaker 40 I will tell you,

Speaker 40 that was very odd to us.

Speaker 10 Sergeant Glover's colleague Sean Buchanan was a lieutenant in East Point's detective division at the time.

Speaker 40 The first person you would have called was the police in that situation. So we didn't understand that.

Speaker 10 When Buchanan interviewed Cliff shortly after Tiffany's murder, the lieutenant asked him to describe what he saw at the scene.

Speaker 20 I turned around and two officer two units were pulling up.

Speaker 20 When they pulled up, he was identifying himself and letting them know that I was his brother and I just pulled up.

Speaker 37 Don't want to interrupt people, but for the record, you're not his biological brother.

Speaker 18 I am not his biological brother. No, okay, we're very good friends.

Speaker 10 Cliff appeared so devoted to Andre that he went to the police on his own.

Speaker 40 Cliff Adams actually came to the police department on the morning of the homicide and we were speaking about the crime and he stated he couldn't believe it.

Speaker 40 He told us, you know, he just wanted to kind of find out what's going on. That was very strange.
Why would he just show up at the police station anyway?

Speaker 10 The lieutenant also wondered why Andre had reached out to Cliff so soon after the murder.

Speaker 40 I asked him, you know, why would he call you? He said, well, we're very good friends. We'd known each other a very long time and he just needed somebody to confide in.
You just didn't know Mr.

Speaker 40 Adams' involvement.

Speaker 10 So Buchanan asked Cliff to carefully outline his movements on the night of the murder.

Speaker 20 Yeah, I said you need me to come to the house. He's like, yeah, come to the house.
I said,

Speaker 18 I'm on my way.

Speaker 20 Do you know anything that could have possibly happened tonight to his wife?

Speaker 10 Cliff was adamant that he had no idea what happened to Tiffany. And with that, he left the station.

Speaker 10 The detectives still didn't have any answers, but they were about to get some because Atlanta's nightlife was about to give up its secrets.

Speaker 22 At the time, there are rumors. You know, girls come back and talk.

Speaker 22 You hear so much.

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Speaker 10 Detectives wondered if Tiffany Jackson Pugh's murder was connected to her husband's job as a DJ at Club Onyx. So far, they hadn't found any direct evidence of that.

Speaker 10 But there were rumors simmering about something else, the state of Tiffany's marriage. He started to have conversations with friends.

Speaker 6 The marriage didn't appear to be

Speaker 6 as great as Mr. Pugh had initially said.

Speaker 6 Seemed to be some bad times that were being had.

Speaker 10 What did you make of the fact that that's not what Andre told you?

Speaker 6 I took note of it, but at the same time,

Speaker 6 he could have been embarrassed. It may have been,

Speaker 6 you know, just didn't want people to know his business. Andre had a problem with infidelity.

Speaker 10 He had girlfriends.

Speaker 17 Yes. Multiple.

Speaker 6 Yes. Directing them to the house.

Speaker 10 He's working at a strip club.

Speaker 18 Correct.

Speaker 10 And he's having girls over the house.

Speaker 18 Correct.

Speaker 10 Tiffany confided in her longtime friend Kenya about these late-night rendezvous. Did she tell you about any infidelities?

Speaker 17 Well, yeah.

Speaker 8 I don't think

Speaker 8 she knew it was as big of a problem as it was.

Speaker 10 Clubonyx house mom Sabrina thought Andre's trists were part of his attempt to build up his reputation of what he thought a successful DJ should be.

Speaker 22 When Andre started having affairs, he's thinking,

Speaker 22 oh, Nando got all the women. You know, as if he's sleeping with all these women.
No, when we went somewhere, Fernando and his business partner, all the girls went. Everybody wanted to go.

Speaker 22 Not to sleep with them because they were fun people.

Speaker 22 He is confused. So he started trying to sleep with everybody to keep up with Nando.

Speaker 10 What did you think about Andre running around with all these women when he has a wife and a couple of small kids at home?

Speaker 7 Well.

Speaker 22 You learn to mind your business in a strip club.

Speaker 9 Did you feel bad for Tiffany?

Speaker 22 Of course.

Speaker 22 You can't do nothing but shake your head. You know, like, it's my position to go and

Speaker 22 tell it. And then also at the time, there are rumors.
You know, girls come back and talk.

Speaker 22 You hear so much, you know.

Speaker 10 Three years before Tiffany was killed, things came to a head and the couple separated. She got her own place and took their daughter, Jasmine with her.

Speaker 10 But less than a year later, Andre and Tiffany decided to get back together. They moved into a new home and soon their second child was born, little AJ.

Speaker 10 Their friend Tamika watched them get a fresh start. How did it go from, I need to move out, to I'm ready to move back in and actually give this a shot?

Speaker 11 Tiffany decided she would, you know,

Speaker 11 give it another try.

Speaker 10 Did they miss each other?

Speaker 11 I would say yes. Yeah, I would say they both miss just having two parents in a home.

Speaker 10 Did she want to get that stability back? Yes,

Speaker 11 she did.

Speaker 10 That stability returned for a while. But then Tiffany's life upended again.
In summer 2014, her dad Tommy called to say her mother was seriously ill with pneumonia.

Speaker 10 She was fighting for her life in an Arizona hospital.

Speaker 50 Tiffany flew right out immediately.

Speaker 10 Days later, her mother passed away.

Speaker 50 We created a circle around her.

Speaker 50 And then we all prayed until she, the last breath,

Speaker 50 left her.

Speaker 50 Tiffany was

Speaker 50 pretty devastated by that whole experience.

Speaker 10 Kenya says Andre had trouble rising to the occasion.

Speaker 8 I remember the funeral.

Speaker 8 He didn't even stay.

Speaker 8 He left immediately after the funeral to come back to go to work at the strip club.

Speaker 8 So, you know, that says a lot.

Speaker 10 Tiffany had forgiven Andre for the affairs once, but not standing by her after her mother's death was inexcusable. After the funeral, Tiffany told Kenya she was leaving Andre for good.

Speaker 8 She really was on the straight and narrow to

Speaker 8 live out her best life.

Speaker 10 Did you see in that moment that independence? Absolutely.

Speaker 8 You could just feel the difference in the way that she was moving.

Speaker 8 You could visually see the difference in her. She was done this time.

Speaker 6 All of their text messages back and forth pointed to a marriage that was ending.

Speaker 10 Glover says toward the end, Andre did try and save the marriage one last time. Do you know how much I love you? I told you before, we are a team.
We the best together.

Speaker 10 I love your strength and your drive.

Speaker 10 You always.

Speaker 10 But Tiffany had made up her mind, so she decided to have a heart-to-heart with Andre and tell him it was time to call it quits.

Speaker 11 She said they had a great conversation. They were up at four o'clock in the morning talking about co-parenting, you know, moving out.

Speaker 10 It sounds like he took it okay.

Speaker 11 It sounds like

Speaker 11 Two individuals who knew that things weren't going so well, and they both were just maybe waiting to have that conversation. It was going to be like, who was going to have it first?

Speaker 11 It didn't sound like he was disappointed. It didn't sound like he was angry.
It just sounded like they were both

Speaker 11 kind of, you know, relieved that they both were able to have that conversation.

Speaker 10 If they're discussing how they're going to share custody of the kids and how all of that's going to work, that all sounds pretty amicable.

Speaker 11 Yes, it does.

Speaker 10 Then, just weeks later, Tiffany was dead. Sergeant Glover wondered if the couple's crumbling marriage gave Andre a motive for murder.

Speaker 10 But Andre's phone showed he was not at his house when Tiffany was shot, and he didn't own a car like the one seen on the security camera. Glover concluded that he couldn't have pulled the trigger.

Speaker 10 So he turned his attention back to the crime scene and who might have been in the area when Tiffany was killed.

Speaker 10 By now, police had checked out Cliff Adams' story and determined he had nothing to do with the murder. They concluded his actions that night were those of a friend helping out in a time of need.

Speaker 10 But there was another friend in the neighborhood that night, and police were about to learn his name.

Speaker 6 Do you have your phone with you?

Speaker 21 I have my work on, yes.

Speaker 6 Okay, can I see it?

Speaker 19 No, you can't.

Speaker 10 In the days following Tiffany Jackson Pugh's murder, Sergeant Alan Glover requested data from cell phone towers near the Pew house. It proved Andre wasn't home when Tiffany was killed.

Speaker 10 But Glover wanted to know who was in the area at the time of the crime. He received the data dump and cross-referenced it with Andre's contacts.
One number stood out.

Speaker 6 That phone number in Andre's phone was to a person named Adrian.

Speaker 10 Had he mentioned Adrian? Did you know who Adrian was?

Speaker 6 Up until that point in the investigation, Adrian had not been mentioned once.

Speaker 10 The number was registered to Adrian Harley. The record showed he was in the area at the time Tiffany was killed.
And he knew Andre Pugh. Coincidence? Glover didn't think so.

Speaker 10 What was the dynamic between the two of them? Did you come to understand what the friendship was like?

Speaker 6 He said they were best friends since they were younger.

Speaker 6 They've been friends for a long time.

Speaker 10 Kenya says Tiffany was close to Adrian too. Far as I knew, she really loved and adored Adrian.
Tommy Jackson knew him well.

Speaker 10 He'd first met him all those years ago when he went engagement ring shopping with Andre.

Speaker 28 I met Adrian when he sold Andre his ring. He worked for the big jewelry store downtown that we went to.

Speaker 10 Adrian was close with the whole family. Tommy says when the Jackson pews gathered for the holidays, Adrian was always included.

Speaker 28 Everybody was there and so Adrian would always come over with his girlfriend at the time or sometimes he would come by himself.

Speaker 10 Kenya says Adrian had been right beside Andre for all of life's big moments.

Speaker 8 He was best man in the wedding.

Speaker 8 He was godfather to the kids.

Speaker 10 And when Andre was DJing at Club Onyx, Adrian was right there with him in the booth.

Speaker 10 But house mom Sabrina Swinger says Adrian didn't quite fit in at Club Onyx.

Speaker 22 He was always quiet. He seemed like the quiet guy, you know, like

Speaker 22 my impression was, wow, I work at a strip club, you know?

Speaker 10 Quiet. Maybe even uncomfortable.
She didn't think he would have been working at Onyx without Andre.

Speaker 10 Did Adrian kind of look up to Andre?

Speaker 22 Yeah, he had to. You know, he seemed like,

Speaker 22 gosh, I don't even know what words to use when I talk about them. They seemed like two nerds.

Speaker 10 Two nerds.

Speaker 22 But Andre was the hipper nerd. Adrian was the quiet one, the follower.

Speaker 10 Adrian was Andre's money runner at Club Onyx. He collected cash from rappers who wanted DJ Awesome to play their music.

Speaker 6 They would go to Adrian and say, hey, I want my music played, and they'd hand money. Because you always had to hand money with the CD to get them to play it.

Speaker 10 It could be a dangerous job telling rappers who desperately wanted their music played.

Speaker 16 No.

Speaker 10 Glover said Adrian took care of that for Andre, too. Did a little of the dirty work.

Speaker 6 Correct. For him.
Yep, that's exactly what Adrian did.

Speaker 10 Glover wanted to know just how much Adrian would do for his friend, so he took a harder look at him.

Speaker 10 He ran his phone number, did a background check, found an address, and then on a hunch, he looked to see if any black cars, like the one seen in that home security footage, were registered to Adrian's home.

Speaker 10 At this point, you're looking for a particular vehicle. Describe that vehicle to me.

Speaker 6 We're looking for a black vehicle. Hopefully that when we do find this vehicle that it has a parking light that's out.

Speaker 10 Adrian didn't own a black car, but his girlfriend did. There are breaks in the case and then there are big breaks in the case.
Does this qualify as a big break?

Speaker 6 That's one of those butterfly moments we call it. I mean you're like, ooh, this is This is very interesting.
This could lead nowhere, but I'm liking the prospects of this information.

Speaker 10 A big break, yes, but not a solved case. Sergeant Glover couldn't be sure it was the same car until he saw it in person.

Speaker 10 Glover and his colleague decided to pay Adrian a surprise visit.

Speaker 6 So we drove up to Alpharetta, Georgia, to see if we could speak with Mr. Harley.

Speaker 10 Shortly after the detectives arrived, a black infinity pulled into the parking lot. Investigators couldn't tell if the car's parking light was burnt out, but they were able to identify the driver.

Speaker 10 It was Adrian. They introduced themselves and recorded the conversation.

Speaker 6 Do you have your phone with you?

Speaker 19 I have my work on, yes.

Speaker 6 Okay, can I see it? No, you can't. Okay, I've got a search warrant.
Okay, take it out.

Speaker 10 Sergeant Glover quickly realized Adrian wasn't going to give him any information easily, but he wasn't prepared for the fireworks that were about to begin.

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Speaker 45 Plus, Zen offers a robust rewards program.

Speaker 46 There are lots of options when it comes to nicotine satisfaction, but there's only one Zen.

Speaker 25 Check out Zen.com slash find to find Zen at a store near you.

Speaker 48 Warning, this product contains nicotine.

Speaker 49 Nicotine is an addictive chemical.

Speaker 31 Did you know that parents rank financial literacy as the number one most difficult life skill to teach?

Speaker 33 Meet Greenlight, the debit card and money app for families.

Speaker 31 With Greenlight, you can set up chores, automate allowance, and keep an eye on your kids' spending with real-time notifications.

Speaker 35 Kids learn to earn, save, and spend wisely, and parents can rest easy knowing their kids are learning about money with guardrails in place.

Speaker 32 Sign up for GreenLight today at greenlight.com slash podcast.

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Speaker 10 Less than two weeks after Tiffany Jackson Pugh was killed, detectives showed up at Adrian's apartment complex unannounced. They wanted to find out what he knew about the murder.

Speaker 6 We wanted Adrian's time of events on the night of the murder, where he was. Where were you on Saturday?

Speaker 19 At the club.

Speaker 6 Mr. Harley gave us that he was at Club Onyx.
He went to another club near Club Onix. He went to another club.

Speaker 6 All of the clubs that he mentioned, everywhere that he went the entire night, was on the north side of Atlanta.

Speaker 10 But Glover already knew that wasn't true. That cell phone tower dump he had received a day earlier put Adrian Adrian near Tiffany's house on the south side.
He stepped away to call for backup.

Speaker 10 When he returned, he noticed things had become heated between his colleague and Adrian.

Speaker 6 You're out of my hand.

Speaker 6 Okay. Let me explain something to you, Mr.
Harder.

Speaker 7 Okay. Yes, sir.

Speaker 6 I'm in charge of this conversation between me and you.

Speaker 7 Is there a request?

Speaker 6 Listen, okay?

Speaker 40 Don't be disrespectful. I've not been disrespectful.

Speaker 6 I'm trying not to be.

Speaker 10 It escalated when Glover told Adrian they were going to search his home.

Speaker 7 I'm going inside.

Speaker 6 No, you're not. Yes, we are.
Yes, we are. We're going to secure your house.

Speaker 16 No, we didn't ask you to.

Speaker 6 Okay, we're going to secure your house.

Speaker 44 No, I have a right to.

Speaker 6 In anticipation, I will.

Speaker 19 I'm going to search you too. I want you to see that.

Speaker 16 Alpha SPD is on the way here.

Speaker 19 Yes, sir.

Speaker 6 Sir, if you go toward your car, you're going to be arrested.

Speaker 10 According to Glover, Adrian took a step toward his car.

Speaker 19 I am not going towards my vehicle.

Speaker 16 You're going to say right here.

Speaker 16 I didn't touch you. I didn't touch you.
My hands are away. If you want me from my car, you're in a cage.
If you want me from my temperature, put your hands behind your back.

Speaker 10 Glover says they had to forcibly stop him from walking away. What did he do? What did he say?

Speaker 6 He started yelling and

Speaker 6 saying,

Speaker 6 screaming police brutality.

Speaker 51 Police brutality!

Speaker 37 Cuff him, please.

Speaker 6 No, because they're being ridiculous now.

Speaker 51 Police brutality!

Speaker 19 Okay, sir. That's all right.

Speaker 37 Police!

Speaker 51 Brutality! Call 911, please!

Speaker 10 Glover says there was no police brutality, and according to the East Point Police Department, Adrian never filed a formal complaint. Glover found Adrian's reaction surprising and suspicious.

Speaker 6 He just very combative.

Speaker 10 He snapped. He snapped.
Adrian continued to insist he had nothing to do with the murder. He said he was planning to help police with the investigation the next day.

Speaker 6 Okay, but I wanted to do it tonight because you know why? Because I can't sleep at night because a mother has died.

Speaker 44 Exactly. My godson, my best friend's wife wife got killed.

Speaker 47 Yes, you're right. Yes, you're right.

Speaker 10 Eventually, Adrienne's girlfriend gave detectives permission to enter their home. But after a thorough search.

Speaker 6 We didn't find anything inside the home, nothing of any value whatsoever in the case.

Speaker 10 Nothing inside the home, but outside, Glover got a closer look at the car Adrienne was driving.

Speaker 6 Once I was able to go over to the Infinity and see that their light was out, that seemed like when all the pieces to the puzzle were coming together.

Speaker 6 It was just that moment to where I felt like we're on the right track. I think we're getting somewhere on this case, and it was big.

Speaker 10 Clever thought he had his man, and he had a good idea about who Adrian might have been working for. You were starting to think that perhaps Andre had his buddy Adrian kill his wife.

Speaker 18 That's correct.

Speaker 6 Based on the surveillance videos and every piece of information that we had, I felt that might have been what was happening.

Speaker 10 But why would Andre have his wife executed? Glover said he was blinded by anger, furious that his marriage was ending, contrary to what Tiffany's friends thought at the time.

Speaker 10 I spoke with a friend who said he was actually going to be okay with it, that he came around. Did you see any indication that that was the case?

Speaker 6 Andre would be cordial one minute and then would be upset the next.

Speaker 6 He was not okay with Tiffany leaving.

Speaker 10 He was upset about that.

Speaker 6 He was very upset about it.

Speaker 10 And while Andre's cell phone showed he was not at home when Tiffany was shot, it did show him in the neighborhood before,

Speaker 10 around the time those two cars were in the cul-de-sac.

Speaker 10 How urgent was it at that point to arrest them?

Speaker 6 After interviewing Adrian Harley, I began having a strong fear for the children of Andre Pugh.

Speaker 10 After all, Andre was now suspected of having his wife murdered with his young children in the house. One of them found in the very bed where his wife was shot.

Speaker 10 Did you think Andre was capable of anything?

Speaker 6 Absolutely. I think he's had his wife killed by his best friend.
And I figured he was capable of anything. He has no conscience whatsoever.

Speaker 10 The next day, Sergeant Glover arrested Andre Pugh following his shift at Club Onyx. Local police arrested Adrian Harley at his home earlier that same morning.

Speaker 10 Andre found himself back in the East Point Police Department, this time in handcuffs and with a whole new story. He still denied killing Tiffany,

Speaker 10 but he said he knew who did.

Speaker 37 Well, he came in the booth, he called me, he said, Listen, I killed your wife.

Speaker 37 And I said, What the f are you talking about?

Speaker 37 Are you insane?

Speaker 10 When Tiffany's friend Karmitria Burton heard that Andre Pugh had been arrested for his wife's murder, she was overcome with emotion.

Speaker 10 Just the thought that he could have done it, knowing the kids were in the house to possibly witness it all, was too much to bear.

Speaker 9 No conscience, no heart, no regard for life.

Speaker 23 A monster.

Speaker 10 The police had already told Tiffany's dad, Tommy, that his son-in-law was a suspect, so he wasn't surprised by news of Andre's arrest.

Speaker 28 After learning the police were suspecting him, my immediate thoughts was that Andre had something to do with this. And so

Speaker 28 the worst thought that I had had come to reality.

Speaker 26 He wants more.

Speaker 10 But Adrian's arrest caught Tommy off guard. He didn't see that coming.

Speaker 28 I was totally shocked that Adrian Holly was even involved.

Speaker 10 He was the best man at their wedding.

Speaker 28 Exactly. And the godfather.

Speaker 10 Not only that, he was a pallbearer at Tiffany's funeral. The last time you saw Adrian, he was carrying Tiffany's casket out of the church.
He was.

Speaker 10 What went through your head?

Speaker 8 You killed her and now you're taking her to her final resting place

Speaker 17 are you kidding me

Speaker 10 the arrest brought an end to the suspicions that the city's djs were being targeted shortly after andre was brought to the police station he asked to meet sergeant glover in the jail hallway andre started talking and glover started recording he came up the club on it

Speaker 10 And that's when Andre said it was Adrian alone who killed Tiffany. He'd confessed to it at the club just hours before.

Speaker 37 He said, listen, I killed your wife.

Speaker 37 And I said, what the f ⁇ you talking about?

Speaker 37 Are you insane?

Speaker 47 Did you ask him why he killed your wife?

Speaker 37 She accused Adrian of stealing some money from her.

Speaker 19 And

Speaker 37 he got pissed off about that and he told me, he was like, man, I'm going to do something to her. And I was like, man, chill, that's my wife.

Speaker 10 Glover got Andre into an interview room to follow up on his allegation. As Andre told it, it all made sense to him now.
Like how his wife's killer was able to evade the security cameras.

Speaker 26 The crazy part is, the person that broke into my house,

Speaker 26 as he told me, he's the one that shot my wife. He knows my camera system.
Him, AJ? Yes, he knows my camera system. Okay.
I mean, I'm pissed off beyond that. I mean,

Speaker 26 it's heartbreaking. It's hurtful.

Speaker 6 I asked him, what did you do? He said, I was just,

Speaker 6 I didn't know what to do. I was just upset.

Speaker 6 You didn't punch him? You didn't, nothing.

Speaker 6 He just kept DJing.

Speaker 10 Did you believe that Adrian had revealed to him that he had killed his wife?

Speaker 6 I did not believe that at all.

Speaker 6 I believe and I knew that Andre had set the whole thing up.

Speaker 10 But Andre insisted he had no reason to kill his wife.

Speaker 26 I just know my wife was giving me the house. My wife was going to give me child support money.
Me killing her doesn't benefit me.

Speaker 26 This is insane right now. And

Speaker 40 everybody's going crazy.

Speaker 26 I'm freaking out.

Speaker 10 Glover decided it was time to play hardball.

Speaker 29 Why does your neighbor's video show your car in the cul-de-sac?

Speaker 26 It does not show my car.

Speaker 29 It not only shows your car in the cul-de-sac, it shows your cell phone in the cul-de-sac.

Speaker 26 I can't understand that. My cell phone was not in there because I was not over there.

Speaker 10 I called them. There was something else Glover found suspicious.
Andre lived on his phone, but Glover found hardly any texts from the days leading up to Tiffany's murder.

Speaker 10 Almost as if they had been wiped clean.

Speaker 26 Why would I delete my text message?

Speaker 52 Because you set up your wife to be murdered and you don't want the detectives who are about to talk to you to find them.

Speaker 26 You could have found them because there's nothing in there saying kill my wife.

Speaker 6 He was not changing his story.

Speaker 10 So he just denies and denies and denies.

Speaker 6 Deny, deny, deny.

Speaker 4 I know.

Speaker 26 I didn't do it, nor did I set someone up.

Speaker 26 All I know is I lost a mother to my kids, and right now, you guys are about to put me on trial for a crime I did not make.

Speaker 29 Give me just a second, Andre.

Speaker 10 The evidence against Andre was compelling, but still highly circumstantial. Would it stand up in court?

Speaker 30 I did not think this was a home run case.

Speaker 10 Fulton County Deputy District Attorney Pat Dutcher knew he had had his work cut out for him.

Speaker 30 One of the challenges was, you know, why did this happen and how can we prove it?

Speaker 10 Andre wasn't caught on video, and Dutcher believed that his cell phone data would not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he planned his wife's murder. What he needed was motive.

Speaker 30 I mean, we could have gotten up there and said, well, you know, they were going to get a divorce and you know, he must have done it for some reason related to that, but that's generally not going to be good enough to a jury.

Speaker 30 so dutcher ordered a deeper dive into the 14 000 or so text messages police had downloaded from andre's phone those text messages were essential in determining exactly what his thoughts and motives were uh and how it all related to the death of tiffany

Speaker 10 with tiffany gone and andre behind bars Tamika took in Jasmine and AJ until their families worked out custody. She tried to make their lives as normal as possible.

Speaker 11 Every year, Tiffany's mom would have a Christmas cookie party, and all the Jasmine's friends would come over and she would get these like little chef's hats and

Speaker 11 apron. And so I wanted to keep that tradition going.
So I had a cookie party at my house.

Speaker 16 Good for you.

Speaker 11 And it was really nice.

Speaker 10 But a month after their father had been arrested and charged with their mom's murder, Andre made bail and took his children back. The court let Adrian out too.
Kenya was horrified.

Speaker 8 How is that okay? What is wrong with our justice system?

Speaker 10 Did you have this fear? Oh my God, I'm going to be out doing something, shopping for the family, and I'm going to run into this guy. I did.

Speaker 10 Kenya was a potential trial witness. So was Tamika.

Speaker 10 Were they now at risk?

Speaker 11 I had cameras installed actually after.

Speaker 10 You were worried.

Speaker 7 I was. Yeah.

Speaker 11 I was afraid that, you know, with him being out, that, okay, I had such a close relationship with them that I still think about it today, too.

Speaker 16 Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 10 There was reason to keep an eye on Andre. He may have been facing a murder charge, but that didn't keep him from popping up on the police's radar again.

Speaker 10 Andre Pugh had been out on bail for 13 months when Deputy DA Pat Dutcher got word that he had been up to no good.

Speaker 10 By then, Andre had a new girlfriend, but after she broke up with him, he apparently tried to get even. It was all on video.

Speaker 30 The facility where this girlfriend of his worked was under heavy surveillance and had security guards, but he found her car in the parking lot and placed a nail under her tire.

Speaker 10 Andre's bond was revoked, and he returned to jail to wait for his day in court. And on September 24th, 2018, almost four years after Tiffany was killed, prosecutors were ready to make their case.

Speaker 30 I knew that we were going to be in for a challenge.

Speaker 10 But Deputy D.A. Dutcher was armed with some new evidence, courtesy of the FBI.

Speaker 10 They had analyzed Andre's cell phone records in more detail and confirmed he was in the neighborhood the morning Tiffany was killed. Dutcher showed the jury maps that pinpointed Andre's location.

Speaker 30 It was always our theory that that other car was Andre Pugh,

Speaker 30 and the FBI's cell record analysis helped us substantiate that theory.

Speaker 10 Prosecutors said Andre's actions were suspicious right from the start, like that phone call he made to Cliff Adams just minutes after the security company alerted him about the break-in.

Speaker 6 He told him on the phone that my house has been broken into. They came in through the basement.

Speaker 10 But prosecutors told the jury the security company never told Andre about the basement. So how did he know that's how the killer got in? So that was a big deal.

Speaker 10 He had information about how it all went down that he couldn't have had at that point unless he was involved.

Speaker 6 Absolutely.

Speaker 10 And when Andre arrived home, prosecutors told the jury, He did not act like a worried husband and father.

Speaker 10 Surveillance video showed him entering the house for less than a minute before coming out, leaving his kids in the house where his wife had just been shot.

Speaker 30 Why would you just go stand outside and wait for the police?

Speaker 30 I mean, you'd think that the safety of your family and the well-being of your children would be the first thing on your mind, but to him, it wasn't.

Speaker 10 According to prosecutors, Andre's family was never a priority. Even those affectionate texts he sent his wife, trying to save the marriage, weren't sincere.

Speaker 30 At the same time he was expressing that to his wife in the text messages, he's still continuing to have inappropriate relationships with other women and prostitutes.

Speaker 10 Dutcher said the text revealed something else too, a motive for murder. The messages showed that Andre couldn't afford his extravagant lifestyle on his own.

Speaker 10 He was often out of cash, and the family relied on Tiffany's income to make ends meet.

Speaker 30 Throughout the text thread, there was this discussion of how he couldn't pay his bills and he didn't have enough money and that he was asking Tiffany for money.

Speaker 10 In addition, Andre's previous home had gone into foreclosure and his credit was shot. If Tiffany divorced him, he wouldn't be able to pay the mortgage.
He'd lose the house and the status it gave him.

Speaker 30 And when he realized he wouldn't have a luxurious place to live, he had to devise a way to keep his lifestyle and to be able to stay in the house.

Speaker 10 And that way, the prosecution argued, was getting his best friend to kill his wife.

Speaker 10 Dutcher told the jury Andre turned hostile the moment he realized he couldn't win Tiffany back, even sending her threatening texts, including one that said, I won't let you leave me, now

Speaker 10 or never.

Speaker 30 She actually responded to that text and called him out on it, saying that she took that as a threat, a threat to her safety, and a threat to her life.

Speaker 10 Tiffany went on to say, I am done. I'm done being unappreciated, taken for granted, disrespected, unsupported, controlled, talked to any kind of way, abandoned.
I'm done.

Speaker 30 Tiffany stood up, and that takes a tremendous amount of courage and bravery to do that.

Speaker 10 Dutcher put almost 30 people on the stand, including Sergeant Alan Glover and Tamika Smith. But he says his most most powerful witness was Tiffany.

Speaker 30 I was able to show the jury that Tiffany, in her own words, was telling them that it was Andre who was responsible for her death.

Speaker 30 I do feel that she was present beyond the grave, that it was her voice that was one of the most powerful pieces of evidence.

Speaker 10 But the defense was about to get its turn. And Andre Pugh had a big name on his side.
His defense lawyer was Stephen Sadow. You may know him as a lead attorney for for former President Donald Trump.

Speaker 30 If you go against an attorney like Stephen Sadow, if you have a crack in your case, he will find it and he will exploit it.

Speaker 10 Off the bat, Sadow told the jury that his client had nothing to do with Tiffany's murder. On cross, Cliff Adams testified that Andre earned good money at Onyx.

Speaker 10 More than enough, the defense said, to pay the mortgage. Contrary to what the prosecution said, the defense argued the texts showed Andre loved his wife and had no motive to kill her.

Speaker 10 The defense said Adrian acted alone.

Speaker 30 They argued that there's no evidence that the defendant assisted him, or there's insufficient evidence to prove that beyond a reasonable doubt.

Speaker 10 Sadao told the jury investigators had tunnel vision, ignoring evidence that might have exonerated Andre.

Speaker 10 like failing to investigate a person Adrian was in touch with shortly before and after the murder.

Speaker 10 As for the basement break-in, Andre claimed in his police interview that he just assumed that's how the intruder got in, based on his call with the security company.

Speaker 26 They did not say which window. They didn't say the bedroom window that has the glass break or the basement window.
Only they have to think of was the basement window.

Speaker 10 And the defense argued, police didn't know what the security company told Andre because they never bothered to listen to a recording of the actual conversation. Sadow grilled Glover on the stand.

Speaker 10 Were you a little nervous about it? Well, of course. You didn't have any DNA.
You didn't have a murder weapon.

Speaker 6 We didn't have the smoking gun,

Speaker 6 but circumstantial evidence can be just as strong as material evidence.

Speaker 10 The trial lasted two weeks. The jury returned with a verdict after a few hours.

Speaker 10 Guilty.

Speaker 8 They had prepped us that we were not to show emotion.

Speaker 7 How do you do that?

Speaker 18 Ugh.

Speaker 10 It was hard.

Speaker 8 We all kind of were sitting there holding each other's hands and

Speaker 8 shaking and crying, but trying to hold in any outbursts.

Speaker 10 Tiffany's dad, Tommy, couldn't help but look straight at his former son-in-law, still bewildered by what he had done.

Speaker 28 Why did you decide you're going to destroy your life, my daughter's life? and your family's life, your kids' life. Why did you take that step?

Speaker 18 That's what I was thinking.

Speaker 10 Andre was sentenced to life without parole. And when it was time for his alleged hitman, Adrian Harley, to stand trial, he met the very same fate.

Speaker 10 Glover, who retired in 2023 with the rank of major, felt vindicated. The long journey to justice had become deeply personal.

Speaker 6 I had a child at the time that was seven years old.

Speaker 23 a daughter.

Speaker 7 And that hits home.

Speaker 6 You know, for all murders, we work them hard, but this one, I wasn't letting this one go.

Speaker 10 She didn't deserve to die.

Speaker 6 She had no business dying. No business.

Speaker 10 Neither did DJ Nando, whose murder remains unsolved. What are your outstanding questions about the Nando case? Glover thinks investigators on that case should take a close look at Andre and Adrian.

Speaker 6 I'd love to know whose cell phones were in the area of the DJ Nando murder. There are similarities between the two cases that I don't think can be overlooked.

Speaker 10 Almost a decade after her murder, Tiffany's dad is still dealing with the profound loss.

Speaker 28 I always think about no matter how much I tried,

Speaker 18 I couldn't protect her.

Speaker 10 Tiffany's children, Jasmine and AJ, now 16 and 11 years old, are being raised out of state by Andre's mother. And they have not been in touch with Tiffany's family or friends for many years.

Speaker 10 There's a pretty good chance that Jasmine will watch what we're doing here today at some point.

Speaker 10 Do you have a message for her?

Speaker 21 Wow.

Speaker 11 I would hope that one day she would connect because

Speaker 11 I want her to know how wonderful of a mother.

Speaker 7 she had.

Speaker 10 To honor Tiffany, Carmitria and Delta Airlines created a university scholarship in her name. Tiffany represented our next generation of leaders.

Speaker 9 A black woman in her community trying to do the right thing, gone too soon.

Speaker 8 The kids, family, friends, everybody was robbed when Tiffany left this earth.

Speaker 10 What do you want her memory to be?

Speaker 22 Life light.

Speaker 22 Light.

Speaker 8 Tiffany was joy.

Speaker 4 And that's all for this edition of Dateline. And check out our Talking Dateline podcast.
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Speaker 4 Available Wednesday in the Dateline feed wherever you get your podcasts. We'll see you again next Friday at 9 8th Central.
I'm Lester Holt for all of us at NBC News. Good night.

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