Losing Faith

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Speaker 5 A man was out walking his dog with his wife and he was gunned down.

Speaker 1 He turned around and

Speaker 1 saw

Speaker 6 this person shoot and

Speaker 7 shot three times in the head, three times in the chest, and one time in the groin.

Speaker 8 It seems like overkill.

Speaker 9 There's got to be something more to this than meets the guy.

Speaker 10 A black pickup truck left the murder scene.

Speaker 7 This individual was walking around that residence.

Speaker 11 He told me about a kiss that they shared in front of the Eiffel Tower over 30 years ago.

Speaker 8 It just unfolded and unfolded and unfolded

Speaker 8 like out of a movie.

Speaker 9 The text messages, the fictitious email addresses, the level of manipulation was extraordinary.

Speaker 1 Kind of the definition of two-faced or three or four-faced.

Speaker 10 It's hard to keep up.

Speaker 1 Ever seen anything like this?

Speaker 10 No. And I hope to never see it again.

Speaker 5 Maybe some people are better left in your past.

Speaker 4 Did a kiss in Paris lead to murder in Dallas 30 years later?

Speaker 1 I'm Lester Holt, and this is Dateline.

Speaker 9 Here's Josh Mankiewicz with losing faith.

Speaker 1 Most people never know when their last day on earth will come, what their last act will be.

Speaker 1 For Jamie Faith, it was October 9th, 2020, a sunny morning in Dallas, walking his dog Maggie. Here's Jamie leaving his house, right behind his wife, Jennifer.

Speaker 1 So much of a routine, his neighbors knew their daily route.

Speaker 1 And then.

Speaker 1 Jamie Faith was dead at only 49, gunned down in front of his home, his neighbors, his wife, friendly, funny Jamie Faith,

Speaker 1 who hadn't had an enemy in the world.

Speaker 1 This is one of the, like I say, the craziest stories

Speaker 1 that's going down in history.

Speaker 9 I already

Speaker 1 Cyrus Cesar was the first reporter on the scene. To his million-plus followers on Facebook, he's better known as Smash the Topic.

Speaker 1 How'd you find out about this story? I was listening to the scanner.

Speaker 11 And when I was listening to the scanner, I heard the streets and I heard a shooting going on.

Speaker 1 Right away, Smash found an eyewitness.

Speaker 8 I heard heard gunshots five gunshots loud boom boom boom boom boom we're on the scene of a shooting homicide guy walking his dog with his wife oh man this it's cold world out here man cold world i woke up that morning and i checked our oak cliff ladies club page and smashed the topic was reporting that there had been a shooting

Speaker 1 Jennifer Sphalin didn't know the faiths, but she lived in the same Oak Cliff neighborhood in Dallas.

Speaker 8 So I immediately posted on that page to all the ladies to let them know, you know, hey, be careful, there was a shooting nearby.

Speaker 1 Jenna Schmidt-Wilson was in her backyard with her dogs and her morning coffee.

Speaker 8 And I noticed the police helicopter, which ordinarily wouldn't draw my attention, but it was unusual how long it was hovering and how close and the low elevation.

Speaker 8 So of course I grabbed my phone and I look on my neighborhood page, which my go-to is our ladies club page and there was already some posts saying there had been a shooting nearby.

Speaker 14 I saw the man he looked very very

Speaker 13 out of place like he was up to no good his eyes were really big and black we come out the man was still standing in front where the dude got shot so we took off running inside so the suspect's still loose right now suspect still loose Sounded like it could have been a robber, but I'm gonna tell you something

Speaker 1 But I did think, like,

Speaker 1 how would somebody know

Speaker 1 these people

Speaker 1 walking a dog every day?

Speaker 1 Dallas PD homicide detective Chris Walton was wondering the same thing. You can see him right there on Smash's feed.

Speaker 1 The detective went straight to his best witness, the victim's wife, Jennifer Faith.

Speaker 7 When I arrived, Mrs. Faith was sitting right here on the porch area of her residence.
There were others around her that were comforting her,

Speaker 7 trying to get her the treatment and the aid that she needed.

Speaker 1 She tell you what happened while you were here?

Speaker 7 While I was here, when I made contact with her, she informed me that there was an individual who came up behind them. He pointed the gun at her husband, Mr.
Faith,

Speaker 7 and shot him several times.

Speaker 1 Didn't say anything?

Speaker 7 No, sir.

Speaker 1 No, sir. Just opened fire.

Speaker 7 That's correct.

Speaker 1 Jennifer described the gunman as medium-build with black eyes and a blue surgical mask. The kind you saw everywhere during the pandemic.
I'm guessing she was probably shattered.

Speaker 7 She was. She had just observed her husband getting killed, shot several times.
Then the individual who committed this horrible crime duct taped her wrists and tried taking her property as well.

Speaker 1 Tried to get her wedding ring.

Speaker 7 I believe so, yes, sir.

Speaker 1 Cartridge casings from the killer's guns still littered the street. Some of those stunned neighbors turned out to be helpful.
They spotted the gunman drive away in a black pickup.

Speaker 7 We were able to get a photo of the vehicle from one of the witnesses.

Speaker 1 It had a picture of the T sticker in the back. Yes, sir.

Speaker 1 The T made sense. The local baseball team is the Texas Rangers.
So now the question was, who in Dallas wanted Jamie dead?

Speaker 1 Police wanted to talk further with Jennifer Faith, but she was so distraught she had to be taken to a hospital.

Speaker 1 Once doctors gave her the all-clear, she handed police her phone and headed to the station where she added vital details to this awful, gut-wrenching story.

Speaker 1 Several shots.

Speaker 14 Well, a lot of shots.

Speaker 14 Uh,

Speaker 14 six, five, six, maybe, I feel like

Speaker 1 it was a neighbor's security camera that recorded those horrific sounds.

Speaker 1 And he just kept going and I'm like, oh, this is stopping.

Speaker 1 toward me.

Speaker 1 She said the killer then turned on her.

Speaker 1 hitting my face and kept trying to turn me over

Speaker 1 and he hit my side and back and hitting and then

Speaker 1 all of a sudden I saw a flash of the, it was silver, the guy with a silver.

Speaker 1 Later in the interview, Jennifer and Detective Walton used her phone to access the family's home security system. which had a camera that faced the empty house next door.
They saw this image.

Speaker 1 It's a man walking alone around that abandoned property in the pre-dawn hours before the killing.

Speaker 14 I don't know. That house is empty.
It's unoccupied.

Speaker 1 Certainly something to pursue. Detective Walton alerted his fellow investigators and continued the conversation.

Speaker 1 Were there any problems lately with anyone?

Speaker 21 We've never had disagreements with anybody.

Speaker 20 We've developed a really nice community. I mean,

Speaker 1 i love our neighbor i love our neighborhood jennifer confirmed what everyone else had said that jamie was well-liked a nice neighbor loving dad and husband whatever this was it had to be random a robbery that became murder

Speaker 1 and then autopsy results came back that does not feel like a robbery that feels like something else

Speaker 1 What details there were of Jamie Faith's murder hit the news pretty quickly.

Speaker 5 About nine gunshots. The victim, James Faith, shot multiple times.

Speaker 1 Maria Guerrero covered the story for NBC5 in Dallas.

Speaker 5 We knew that a man

Speaker 5 was killed while walking his dog with his wife.

Speaker 1 And this sounds like, what, robbery?

Speaker 5 That's exactly what we thought it was. And that's what police were initially looking

Speaker 5 into this case as, a robbery.

Speaker 1 Then the autopsy results came in. And suddenly, Jamie's killing didn't seem so random.

Speaker 7 We learned that he was shot three times in the head, three times in the chest, and one time in the groin.

Speaker 1 That does not feel like a robbery. That feels like something else.

Speaker 5 It was overkill. To me, it was very personal.

Speaker 1 So how could Jamie Faith generate that kind of rage? The killing made even less sense when police took a closer look at him. What kind of guy was he? What did he do for a living?

Speaker 7 He was one of those guys who you would want to be neighbors with.

Speaker 7 I learned that he was from Wisconsin. He also loved the Green Bay Packers.

Speaker 1 He was a huge fan.

Speaker 7 He was an IT director for American Airlines. He was one of of those guys where everybody just loved.
Played video games on Thursday nights.

Speaker 1 Jamie also played pool and really liked bowling. Nobody knew that better than twin sisters Monica and Monique Flores.
They'd known Jamie for more than 20 years from when they all lived in Arizona.

Speaker 1 Was Jamie as good as you guys are? No.

Speaker 24 Well, yes, yes.

Speaker 1 He way better. Way better.
Way better.

Speaker 25 We liked him so much that we had so much in common that he ended up getting on the team with us when we needed a player.

Speaker 1 But not dating either of you. No.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 What made him an L?

Speaker 14 He was like one of those friends.

Speaker 25 Friend zone.

Speaker 24 Yeah, he was a good guy, like a nice guy.

Speaker 5 He was always happy. Jamie

Speaker 25 always lit up the bowling alley. Yep.

Speaker 22 And so that's what got us to like him.

Speaker 25 And then, of course, me and her and our personalities.

Speaker 1 He lit up the bowling alley is not something I hear very often.

Speaker 22 Yeah, you know, he did.

Speaker 1 Police learned Jamie was smart, resourceful, and quirky. This is his friend Teresa Jensen.

Speaker 22 When we were in college, we would go to the dog track and he had a whole computer setup

Speaker 27 where

Speaker 22 he would take the information for the dogs and plug it into his computer and that would be how he would make his bets and he'd go up to the window with a big wad of money and he'd win.

Speaker 1 So, not nerdy at all?

Speaker 4 No, not at all.

Speaker 1 But? Just a little nerdy. But he made money on it.

Speaker 22 He made enough money where I'm pretty sure he ended up buying his own Cadillac with his winnings. You know, here's a 21, 22-year-old guy driving around in a Cadillac.

Speaker 1 What color?

Speaker 6 It was like a maroon, maroon red.

Speaker 1 He wore Hawaiian shirts and gold chains.

Speaker 1 He did.

Speaker 22 He did. He did.

Speaker 1 Oh, he wasn't missing a beat.

Speaker 1 Investigators learned Jamie was living in Phoenix in 2005 when he met Jennifer on a blind date. Then something clicked.
Jamie started working at U.S. Airways in 2008.

Speaker 1 Four years later, he and Jennifer married. Jennifer was working as a speech therapist.
A good one. according to her friend and colleague Rob Schmidt.

Speaker 28 She's very intelligent. She's a great speech therapist.
And

Speaker 28 she just kind of fit in with our group.

Speaker 1 I guess being a speech therapist, I mean, you know, you've got to have a lot of patience and you've got to be,

Speaker 1 you know, sort of really caring with other people. Right, right.

Speaker 25 And then when we met Jennifer, we're like, oh my God, you guys are so cute together.

Speaker 29 Like they were so, just so cute and like, all, you know, I mean, love you, Dovey.

Speaker 19 Love you, Dovey.

Speaker 24 And I'm just like, I love her, Jamie.

Speaker 29 I love her.

Speaker 24 Like, you, that's a keeper for you. And he goes, oh, I know, I know.

Speaker 1 Jennifer had been married twice before with a daughter, Amber, from her first marriage. Jamie adopted Amber in 2016.
By 2017, U.S. Airways had been swallowed by American Airlines.

Speaker 1 Jamie accepted a promotion, and then the family relocated to Dallas, where Jamie started working as an IT executive at American.

Speaker 1 Now flash forward to October 9th, 2020, and the news no friend wants to hear. I got a call and

Speaker 28 seeing it was from Jennifer automatically picked up and she's crying and you know

Speaker 28 having trouble speaking and she let me know that

Speaker 28 Jamie had been shot.

Speaker 1 Had Jamie at any time in your relationship with him mentioned being afraid of anyone

Speaker 1 or concerned about his safety in any way.

Speaker 24 Not one time.

Speaker 1 Days into their investigation, police scrambled for more details about a murder out of the blue. The biggest clue so far, that truck with what looked like a Texas Rangers decal.

Speaker 8 Everybody, I mean, everybody, was on the lookout for this black truck.

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Speaker 1 Hours after Jamie Faith's murder, Dallas detectives were pursuing their biggest lead, a black Nissan truck caught on a witness's phone camera.

Speaker 1 Police were sure that in the driver's seat, was the killer.

Speaker 5 The biggest clue was that it had a T decal on the back back windshield.

Speaker 1 Police put out an alert for the truck. Before long, they'd assembled multiple shots of the pickup moving out of the neighborhood.

Speaker 7 We checked all the residents. We saw some had cameras, some didn't.
And from there, it's like a puzzle. So if one camera showed the vehicle at 7.34,

Speaker 7 we received another... camera at 735 and 736.

Speaker 1 And you put together this little movie. Yes, sir.

Speaker 7 We did that for approximately three miles until we were able to catch the vehicle heading north on I-35 from Illinois.

Speaker 1 And that's where you lose it?

Speaker 7 Yes, sir, on the highway.

Speaker 1 At any point, you can't get a plate number and you can't see who's inside. No, sir.

Speaker 8 Everybody was on high alert that there was a killer in our neighborhood. Walking your dogs, you're now looking behind you and watching to see who's coming down the street.

Speaker 8 And you're, you know, watching out for your neighbors and, you know, even more so. Everybody, I mean, everybody was on the lookout for this black truck.

Speaker 8 And we knew it was a Nissan Titan black with a T in the rear window.

Speaker 8 And so there were many pictures of trucks being posted online, even without any kind of a T. Is this the truck? Could this be the truck?

Speaker 1 The Faith's neighbors wanted to pitch in and help. Jenna reached out.

Speaker 8 Everyone had that same sense that I had, which is, you know, this could have been me.

Speaker 8 So I texted Jennifer Faith and said, I know you don't know me, but there's a lot of people that want to help if we can.

Speaker 8 And she almost immediately responded and said that she would love that and could I come over tomorrow to talk. So I was over there the day after the murder to meet her.

Speaker 8 Jennifer Faith was there, their daughter Amber Faith, as well as Jamie's extended family.

Speaker 1 When Jenna saw all those people at the Faith's home, she thought, They're going to need some food.

Speaker 8 You know, you've got to eat every day, but if you're dealing with that kind of a trauma, you might not be up for cooking for a while.

Speaker 8 So we began delivering lunch and dinner every day for however many people were going to be at the home.

Speaker 1 Dozens of people, from neighbors to high-end chefs, delivered meals for months. They wanted to do more because a widow with a daughter would have bills to pay.

Speaker 8 The GoFundMe was set up, I think, the next day.

Speaker 8 We already had it up and going. The idea was just to help with any expenses, funeral expenses, daily living expenses.
She was very grateful.

Speaker 1 Detective Chris Walton wanted to help too,

Speaker 1 because when he's not chasing killers, he's a Baptist minister. You went to pray with the family?

Speaker 7 Yes, I did. We wanted to make sure that, you know,

Speaker 7 we let Jennifer know that, hey, we were here for you.

Speaker 1 You do that on all investigations?

Speaker 7 I do it quite often. I'm a strong believer in the good Lord

Speaker 7 and a strong man of faith. I also wanted to make sure that she felt that we were trying to do everything that we could to find out who did this to her husband.

Speaker 1 Police were learning a lot about Jamie, his life as a family man, and his life as a boss. Jamie doesn't sound like one of those guys who is sort of counting down the hours till the weekend.

Speaker 1 Like, he liked his work. Yes.

Speaker 29 Yes, for sure.

Speaker 1 100%. He loved his work.

Speaker 8 He loved the people he worked for.

Speaker 1 He ever have a problem with anybody that you know of at work?

Speaker 6 Absolutely not.

Speaker 1 Or anywhere else?

Speaker 1 Not that I know of.

Speaker 1 Well, there was one problem. Jennifer told detectives Jamie had recently laid off some people at American.

Speaker 1 Wouldn't be the first time an ex-employee got angry enough to kill.

Speaker 7 I met with the American Airlines director who was able to give me access to... the employees that were laid off.
It was COVID during that time.

Speaker 1 Right, and so a lot of people were losing their jobs.

Speaker 7 Approximately 18 to to 20 during that time.

Speaker 1 So the plan was to talk to all those people. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The detective was also looking at something else. That man they spotted on Jennifer's security camera walking around the empty house next door.

Speaker 7 This individual was walking around that residence around about 2:30,

Speaker 7 8 in the morning.

Speaker 1 So who was that guy? Maybe one of those just-fired employees? All of a sudden, police had as many new leads as a company picnic.

Speaker 16 Lord, I pray that as we celebrate his life, he'll be glorified and honored.

Speaker 1 A week after Jamie Faith was gunned down, Friends and family gathered in Dallas for a funeral, one of two services Jennifer had organized.

Speaker 16 Father, we thank you for

Speaker 16 the gift of this amazing man.

Speaker 1 The service was live streamed from the funeral home. Friends and family from across the country were watching, along with Dallas neighbors, Jennifer and Jenna.

Speaker 8 I remember at one point, you know, we both were talking about how emotional it was and we were brought to tears when the camera went up to the front and just capturing everything, all the emotion that was taking place there.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Rick Calvert had never heard of Jamie Faith before the murder but he was also watching rick is a federal prosecutor in the northern district of texas dallas detectives ask him for help on the case the description that jennifer faith gave of her husband during that funeral basically is consistent with what every individual that we talk to how they describe jamie faith he was the best husband that you could possibly ask for they had the perfect marriage where

Speaker 10 other couples were jealous of their relationship because they were so close.

Speaker 1 Jamie's old friend Teresa Jensen was watching the funeral service too.

Speaker 1 She was struck by the attention devoted to a book Jennifer had given Jamie for Valentine's Day. A love book, they called it.

Speaker 31 Happy Valentine's Day.

Speaker 16 This is from Jennifer to Jamie.

Speaker 1 Packed with memories of the couple's good times together.

Speaker 22 Love book was very elaborate, many pages, and they went through page by page.

Speaker 1 Touching as it all was, there were moments when Teresa tried not to roll her eyes.

Speaker 22 And it would say, I love you every day when I wake up. I love that you're the first person I talk to.

Speaker 22 I love that we travel together.

Speaker 1 So, I mean, okay, maybe that's a little over the top, but. A little over the top.

Speaker 22 Plus, you know, and just the simple fact that...

Speaker 8 And maybe this is just me.

Speaker 22 They had been together for 15 years. I've been with my husband for 18 years.

Speaker 1 He's not getting a love book like that. The people I interview are not supposed to be more cynical than I am.

Speaker 8 Sorry.

Speaker 1 Jamie and Jennifer's friends and neighbors noticed how expensive the service was.

Speaker 8 I guess I had never seen anything like that,

Speaker 8 where you had, you know, coasters and matchbooks and

Speaker 8 memorabilia, and it was almost like a

Speaker 8 I mean I hate to say it was almost like a party where you have takeaway gifts like party favors like party favors that's a great way to put it like party favors to take away from a funeral the women knew those extras weren't cheap but at least Jennifer had that go fund me it could help cover costs and that fund it just kept growing we were shocked that it went up to over 15,000 in a less than 24-hour period and less than a week it was over 60,000 So I think our takeaway from that really attests to how much Jamie was loved.

Speaker 8 Yes, I think initially a lot of the support for the GoFundMe came from the Oak Cliff community, but I think a whole bunch of that came from the American Airlines community.

Speaker 1 While Jamie's friends and family grieved, investigators were working hard. Remember the guy caught on security camera next door hours before Jamie was shot? Jennifer first

Speaker 1 And what about the theory that a former American Airlines employee might have had it in for Jamie after that round of layoffs?

Speaker 10 No indications that anyone was blaming him for layoffs. We could not find any suspects that would have an axe to grind with him.

Speaker 1 By then, the investigation had taken off in a whole new direction. And all of a sudden, you're not really looking at this cruddled American Airlines employees anymore.
No.

Speaker 1 All of a sudden, they're taking another look at that marriage, the one that was so flawless, it made other couples jealous.

Speaker 10 That was the first evidence that there was a crack in the facade of this perfect marriage.

Speaker 1 Jamie Faith had been dead for two months when his widow, Jennifer, decided to speak out. She talked with NBC5 in Dallas.

Speaker 5 Her fear was that this case was going cold, and she really wanted to finally come forward.

Speaker 33 My hope is that someday perhaps the person will realize the gravity of what they've done and what they've taken from myself and my daughter.

Speaker 5 During the interview, she said that based on witnesses and what she remembers, a big clue will be this black pickup truck, she said.

Speaker 33 It's a black Nissan Titan, extended cab, has a Texas Ranger sticker in the back window. Any information leading to the arrest

Speaker 33 would be fantastic and it would help give me the closure that I'm really looking for.

Speaker 1 What Jennifer didn't know was that all this time, investigators had actually been moving ahead with evidence that might not provide the kind of closure she was hoping for.

Speaker 1 And it all started with her phone.

Speaker 7 I believe without that phone,

Speaker 7 we probably wouldn't be sitting here today.

Speaker 1 That's because something on that phone at least appeared to refute everything Jennifer had said. What kind of marriage do you have? It's perfect.

Speaker 10 Perfect, yes. That's what she says.
And

Speaker 10 that's the Jamie and Jennifer we went into this investigation believing was the case.

Speaker 1 Well, that was before. Now, investigators read a series of texts dated April 2020, six months before Jamie was killed.
Jennifer and a friend named Tina were chatting.

Speaker 1 Included was this stunner from Jennifer.

Speaker 6 So I'm pretty much having a full-blown emotional affair.

Speaker 1 An emotional affair, you know. The kind that's just texts and calls.

Speaker 6 It's been crazy, and I know I am so stupid for doing this, and I know you're at work, and I'm probably blowing your mind right now, LOL.

Speaker 1 Then a surprise admission about her perfect marriage.

Speaker 6 Tina, we haven't had sex in four years.

Speaker 1 Tina asked why. Jennifer's answer.

Speaker 6 I told him I feel like we love each other, but we are not in love with each other. I don't know.
I constantly try to initiate.

Speaker 5 I give you credit for being up front.

Speaker 6 I finally gave up about a year ago. I couldn't lie to him.
He deserves better than that. He won't give me a reason.
I thought he was having an affair for a little while, but no.

Speaker 1 Tina had a question.

Speaker 27 Does Jamie say he's in love or is he content too?

Speaker 5 How can a person be in love but no sex or passion?

Speaker 6 He says he is in love. That was my question.
He says it is a timing thing.

Speaker 1 Whatever.

Speaker 6 For four years,

Speaker 6 that's just it. No passion.
Very little physical affection at all past a hug. And nothing romantic from him.
Flowers on Valentine's Day, typical stuff.

Speaker 6 But I don't feel wanted by him at all, other than to be his partner.

Speaker 1 Well, that kind of changes things, doesn't it?

Speaker 7 Yes, it does.

Speaker 1 Jennifer had never mentioned to you that she was having an affair, emotional or otherwise, with anybody. No.
She wasn't having an affair, neither was her husband.

Speaker 7 No, she said the relationship was good. Only thing that they weren't as intimate as she would like.
But other than that, he was a great man, provider, and also a loving father.

Speaker 1 So maybe this fling was just an innocent online diversion, a harmless way out of the middle-aged doldrums. Nothing in person, nothing physical.

Speaker 1 After all, as Jennifer told Tina, things with Jamie were still kind of good.

Speaker 6 We are super great friends and a good team and great parents to Amber. And honestly, I would have been content living out the rest of my life that way.

Speaker 1 And then this.

Speaker 6 No issues until this guy guy came back and omg.

Speaker 6 The emotions and the connection, I feel like I am being torn in two.

Speaker 1 So who was this mystery man? Detectives had to find out. Jennifer helpfully had sketched in his background for Tina.

Speaker 6 This guy I dated in high school and college. We broke up because I was finishing school and after he got out of basic training, he was deployed to South Korea.

Speaker 6 He ended up going special forces and served 26 years. Just retired and found me.
We were going to get married at the time. Then I met Amber's bio dad right after he left.

Speaker 1 At the end of the thread, Tina sent hugs. Jennifer responded.

Speaker 6 Thank you, but I am also not making any moves or doing anything rash anytime soon. But I am not going to stop talking to Darren either.

Speaker 1 So now investigators had a name, Darren. They also knew from other texts between Jennifer and Tina that Darren had mentioned what he called a five-year plan to start a new life with Jennifer.

Speaker 1 Then, about two months before Jamie was murdered, came this text exchange.

Speaker 6 You still talking to that guy? I put the brakes on with him so hard. I have such strong emotions for Darren.

Speaker 1 How did Darren feel about her foot on the brake? Investigators had no way of knowing. They did know this: Darren had been dumped, and he knew knew his way around a weapon.

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Speaker 1 The Jamie Faith murder investigation had taken a surprising turn. Police learned the grieving widow was involved in what she called an emotional affair.

Speaker 1 By then, Detective Eric Barnes had joined the case. He and Detective Walton were drilling down on Jennifer's text messages about a guy named Darren.

Speaker 7 The main thing that stuck out to me was that he had a five-year plan on how they would be together.

Speaker 1 I guess one part of that could be getting Jamie out of the way.

Speaker 11 That's correct. You know, for a five-year plan, that's a very long-term, patient plan.
And somebody has to be pretty dedicated to wait for something over five years.

Speaker 1 Logic suggests a love-struck guy with a five-year plan might become at the very least unhappy and at the very worst, furious if his beloved decided to change the schedule and forsake him for the sake of her husband.

Speaker 1 She talks about this full-blown emotional affair she's having with this guy, Darren, but she also at some point says she's cutting it off.

Speaker 7 That's correct.

Speaker 1 Were there any texts from Darren on the phone?

Speaker 7 No, none that I could find.

Speaker 1 They did have Jennifer's phone contacts. That's where they found a Darren, whose last name was Lopez,

Speaker 1 along with his phone number. A search warrant later, they also had Jennifer's cell records from the phone company.

Speaker 1 Police still didn't have the actual texts, but now they could see the text and call logs showing how often Jennifer and Darren had been in touch.

Speaker 1 There was a tremendous amount of contact between her phone and his phone in her phone records.

Speaker 11 That's correct. They average almost 500 communications communications a day through phone calls and texts.

Speaker 7 I believe a total of about 13,000, a little over 13,000. Contacts.

Speaker 1 More than 13,000 calls and texts in just one month around the time of the murder. For an emotional affair, that's a lot of emotion.
It's also a lot of deletion.

Speaker 1 None of those calls or texts were on Jennifer's phone when police saw it. One more thing.
Darren Lopez lived in Tennessee. An interstate investigation now brought the feds on board.

Speaker 9 So, you know, we come up with an address for Darren Lopez in a town called Cumberland Furnace, Tennessee.

Speaker 1 Andrew Sherami is a supervisory special agent with the ATF. He learned a lot about Darren Lopez, a 48-year-old retired Army Special Forces medic who lived about 640 miles northeast of Dallas.

Speaker 9 He has got quite an extensive military record. He had six deployments to Iraq.
He is a Purple Heart recipient, has a bronze star. So this is a man who is a highly decorated war veteran.

Speaker 9 And then we also find out during the investigation that he was injured in combat and suffers a traumatic brain injury.

Speaker 1 They learned Darren Lopez was separated and living with two of his teenage daughters. Investigators started tracing his activities in the days leading up to the murder.

Speaker 1 So Darren's banking records tell you you a little bit about where he's been.

Speaker 7 Yeah, that's correct. And that's the biggest thing we were trying to do.
We're trying to place him in Dallas from Tennessee.

Speaker 1 The day before the killing, Darren's debit card put him here buying gas about 20 minutes south of his home.

Speaker 11 That debit card was used in Dixon, Tennessee, early in the afternoon on October 8th.

Speaker 11 Several hours later, that same debit card was used at a pilot gas station in West Memphis, Arkansas, which would would have been him traveling in the direction of Dallas.

Speaker 1 West Memphis, Arkansas is 200 miles southwest of Darren's home. Now, two months later, Detective Barnes wondered if there were any photos of that pit stop.

Speaker 11 I reached out to the Pilot gas station just in a long shot chance to see if they still had video.

Speaker 1 Because nobody has video that long after the fact.

Speaker 11 No, if we have video for two weeks, we're doing well. Right.

Speaker 1 But in this case, you got lucky. We sure did.

Speaker 11 What do you see in that video?

Speaker 11 In the video, Darren is wearing a dark colored polo shirt, blue jeans, but he also has the blue mask that matches the description that Jennifer gave on the day of the murder.

Speaker 1 More important is what Darren Lopez was driving. A big black Nissan pickup.
Okay, but who could say for sure where Darren was heading? Well, actually, Google could.

Speaker 11 We saw that he typed in the victim's address while he was in Tennessee and got map directions to the route to Dallas.

Speaker 1 This feels like you're moving closer and closer to an arrest. Yes, sir.

Speaker 1 Okay, but what about that T decal? The one clue everyone had been focused on.

Speaker 11 We were able to reach out to the Tennessee Bureau of Investigations.

Speaker 11 get a flyover over Darren's property, and we were hoping that we'd be able to find this truck and get a good look at his Nissan Titan to see if it actually had the decal.

Speaker 1 And you did?

Speaker 4 Yes, we did. And it did.

Speaker 1 It sure did. Just one pass.
You're not circling. You're not doing anything that's going to attract attention.

Speaker 11 No.

Speaker 1 That's what they hoped anyway. Except a couple of weeks after they spotted Darren's truck from the sky, something changed on the ground.

Speaker 11 Agents in Nashville were doing surveillance and they observed Darren's pickup truck and it no longer had a T on the windshield.

Speaker 1 Which suggests he's on to you guys.

Speaker 11 That's right.

Speaker 1 Wondering if Darren Lopez had gotten wise to them, agents wanted to move in quickly.

Speaker 1 That came with some difficult questions, like,

Speaker 1 how do you arrest Rambo without the Hollywood body count? He's a trained military operative. This is not some guy who spent a couple years in the Army filing forms.
That's correct.

Speaker 9 And a firearm was used in the murder of Jamie Faith.

Speaker 9 One would assume that that was his weapon, and he probably still has it.

Speaker 1 So going to get him is going to involve some significant planning.

Speaker 9 Planning that would not typically take place in a normal operation.

Speaker 1 Also, Darren Lopez was more than a special forces veteran with a very particular set of skills. His 20-acre home also gave him an edge over anyone approaching on the ground.

Speaker 9 He may have booby traps, clandestine devices,

Speaker 9 motion sensors. He may have his own cameras on the property.

Speaker 1 Creeping up and knocking on his door is not going to happen.

Speaker 9 Exactly.

Speaker 1 Also gnawing at Agent Jeremy was the memory of that calamitous 1993 raid on the Branch Davidian sect in Waco, Texas.

Speaker 9 We think about the tragedy that happened in Waco, where four of our agents were lost. Not a dissimilar approach.

Speaker 1 And he's got his two daughters living in there with him, so worst case scenario is he ends up barricaded in that house.

Speaker 9 Worst case scenario.

Speaker 1 And the worst case scenario was not an acceptable one. Someone would have to blink.

Speaker 1 It was early 2021, and an alphabet soup of law enforcement agencies was gearing up for a full-scale operation to arrest Darren Lopez.

Speaker 9 You can tell here from the aerial photographs that this is a very wide open piece of property and that would make any sort of covert approach to the house extremely dangerous.

Speaker 1 How many people are we talking about here?

Speaker 11 I would say approximately 75 people. Wow.
It was pretty much all the resources of the federal government.

Speaker 1 On an icy January day, agents were preparing to launch their takedown when a surveillance team reported Darren Lopez was in a Toyota, leaving his compound with one of his daughters.

Speaker 1 The order came back, grab him. The team blocked his truck and moved in with guns drawn.
Darren Lopez was arrested without incident.

Speaker 9 He was taken into custody safely. He wasn't injured.
His daughter wasn't injured. And none of our agents were injured.

Speaker 1 And not a shot fired.

Speaker 9 And not a shot fired. In this business, that's a great day.

Speaker 1 Detective Barnes made sure Darren's daughters were taken in by family friends. Barnes had more than one role in this investigation.
He's also an ATF task force officer.

Speaker 1 That's why he joined the arrest team. And Barnes served with the U.S.
Army's 16th Signal Battalion in Iraq.

Speaker 1 So when he sat down across from Darren Lopez in a Tennessee lockup, he was able to talk with Darren soldier to soldier.

Speaker 39 Being miles away from home, it makes you grow up faster.

Speaker 1 Then Barnes got to the point.

Speaker 39 Have you ever been to Dallas? No.

Speaker 39 I think I flew through there, but no, I haven't been to Dallas itself.

Speaker 1 And you know that's not true.

Speaker 11 I knew it wasn't true.

Speaker 1 Do you say to him, no, we know you were in Dallas?

Speaker 11 No, I let him

Speaker 11 lock himself into that story.

Speaker 1 Darren admitted knowing Jennifer. and shared some misty-eyed memories of his youth.

Speaker 39 We grew up together. We're High school friends, and we contacted each other almost a year ago.
I looked her up and I got her email address and stuff like that and just sent her a quick hi.

Speaker 39 I said, oh, wow.

Speaker 39 And so we started reconnecting. We were kidding.
Yeah. Let's reliving old times.

Speaker 11 He talked about how they met in high school. He told me about a kiss that they shared in front of the Eiffel Tower in Paris over 30 years ago.

Speaker 1 To hear Darren talk about it, his relationship with Jennifer is all in the past, not the present.

Speaker 11 Right. He said that they communicate now just because he's going through a divorce and she recently lost her husband and so they kind of help each other through their hard times

Speaker 39 she can vent to me

Speaker 39 and I can let her vent and then makes her feel better and so she's been using that a lot more to help get through kind of like therapeutic over right I get that you know but rekindling that old flame man that's that's a a strong thing so right after that she told me she was married okay you know and and I saw that I was like oh yeah cool And stuff.

Speaker 39 So, I mean, we never breached,

Speaker 39 you know, that. I never thought we crossed, like, you know, a threshold where it was inappropriate.
And like I said, I'd never been down there. So it's like, I had never had any physical contact.

Speaker 39 It was just kind of like more of an emotional thing.

Speaker 1 You didn't believe a word of that.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 1 Then Barnes asked Darren about the T-sticker on his pickup.

Speaker 39 The vehicle had a T on the back of it.

Speaker 39 It doesn't have one on it today, but it did have one on it

Speaker 39 at the time of the offense.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 39 Like, what happened to the police?

Speaker 39 I'm just peeling off.

Speaker 1 Yeah, okay.

Speaker 11 Once I started confronting him on some of the lies that he told, he immediately shut the interview down and asked for an attorney.

Speaker 1 Three months after Jamie Faith was shot seven times, the detective told Darren Lopez he was going to be charged with that murder.

Speaker 39 Are you going to get booked into the jail here? He gets arraigned in front of a judge in Dallas.

Speaker 1 Now, with Darren behind bars, officers officers descended on his chaotic mess of a home, searching for evidence.

Speaker 9 In my 22 years on the job, I don't know that I've ever seen a house that was in that deplorable of a living condition.

Speaker 9 This man is here with these two teenage daughters, animal hair, food on the counter. You know, something's not right here.

Speaker 1 The condition of that place suggested to you more than just messiness or poor housekeeping.

Speaker 9 Yeah, so we do our best to search the home. I noticed on the front porch was a large FedEx box.

Speaker 1 What's in this huge box?

Speaker 9 It was a big screen TV. And the label on the FedEx box was addressed as Darren Lopez and the return address was Jennifer Faith.
She sent him a TV. Sent him a TV.

Speaker 1 And then amidst the trash, the old food, and that 55-inch TV, the investigators landed on a piece of evidence almost too good to be true.

Speaker 9 One of the agents called out and said, hey, I found something.

Speaker 9 And it was a military style rucksack

Speaker 17 backpack.

Speaker 9 Inside the backpack was a.45 caliber semi-automatic pistol.

Speaker 1 That's the same caliber as the murder weapon.

Speaker 9 And upon closer examination, we could see on the slide of the gun which appeared to be a small smear of blood. It's like, hey, get it back to Dallas.

Speaker 1 It took just a couple of days for the Dallas Crime Lab to process and test-fire the blood-smeared gun and then compare those casings to the ones recovered from the crime scene.

Speaker 1 And the gun matches the cartridges. Yes.
Yes.

Speaker 1 And that blood comes back to

Speaker 11 Jamie Faye.

Speaker 1 So, in your view anyway, game over in convicting. Darren of murder.
We felt that we had a solid case. What happens on the story and what coverage does it receive here in town generally?

Speaker 5 All of the sudden, there's this announcement of an arrest made of Darren Lopez out of Tennessee, and you're left stunned.

Speaker 1 When Jamie's friends heard someone named Darren had been arrested, they were stumped.

Speaker 22 They didn't know who he was.

Speaker 1 You never heard that name.

Speaker 22 No, never heard that name.

Speaker 25 We just tried to figure out who Darren was and like why he did that to Jamie.

Speaker 22 Did he want to hurt Jamie?

Speaker 24 Why do they keep talking about this?

Speaker 22 Did they shoot Jamie Jamie down? Yeah.

Speaker 25 You know, in front of his home, in front of his wife.

Speaker 1 Now, investigators needed to know if Jennifer and Darren were more than just a couple of long-distance shoulders for each other to cry on.

Speaker 1 And who better to answer that question than Jennifer Faith herself?

Speaker 1 Have you ever heard of a name, Darren?

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Speaker 1 investigators were certain darren lopez had murdered jamie faith now they were wondering why jennifer faith had never mentioned darren's name maybe there was a reasonable explanation When you have a husband or wife whose spouse has been murdered and you know they're having an affair and they won't admit to it, It's pretty plausible that that's because I don't want to admit to an affair at all.

Speaker 1 And second, I particularly don't want to admit to it now because now it's going to look like I

Speaker 1 did something about that. Absolutely.
Absolutely. So did she do something about it? Investigators weren't sure.
On the same January day Darren Lopez was arrested in Tennessee.

Speaker 1 Detectives in Dallas asked Jennifer to come sit down with them.

Speaker 11 We're playing cat and mouse with Darren and Jennifer, and I I wanted to see if there was anything that maybe Jennifer said that I could use against Darren.

Speaker 7 We put together a game plan. The game plan was to talk to Jennifer and Darren at the same time.

Speaker 1 So they can't call each other.

Speaker 7 So they can't call each other.

Speaker 18 I appreciate you of me coming down here.

Speaker 1 Federal prosecutor Rick Calvert appreciated it too.

Speaker 1 You're watching that interview.

Speaker 10 I'm outside the room watching on a television set.

Speaker 1 You're trying to get some kind of read on her. I am.

Speaker 10 And she gave the same story that she'd been giving for the past two or three months.

Speaker 20 All I can really remember are his eyes, the black eyes.

Speaker 21 Why would somebody want to do something like this?

Speaker 14 If I knew that, I would tell you.

Speaker 20 It drives me crazy.

Speaker 1 Then Walton asked a question that seemed to hit a nerve.

Speaker 1 Have you ever heard of a name, Darren?

Speaker 40 Darren Lopez, yeah.

Speaker 7 I asked her, who was Darren? Her whole demeanor changed.

Speaker 40 He was one of my best friends. We dated in high school, but he doesn't know Jamie.

Speaker 7 And she told me that, oh, he's the guy I used to date back in high school and college. And then that's when I asked her, why didn't you tell me about Darren?

Speaker 1 And what's her answer?

Speaker 7 She paused.

Speaker 7 And

Speaker 7 she got

Speaker 7 a little bit angry.

Speaker 40 Why do you even bother listening to me about all these other people who I thought might have something to do with it? Do you know how much I've been racking my brain if you knew this all along?

Speaker 7 Tell me a little bit about Darren.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 40 Let's see.

Speaker 40 I lost contact with him in 93. We broke up.

Speaker 10 She says that we haven't seen each other in over 25 years, which is true. That they talk all the time, but they haven't met.
Correct. And that's the truth.

Speaker 1 Detective Walton needed more.

Speaker 18 I know that there's more to you and Darren's relationship.

Speaker 40 I don't know what more you're talking about.

Speaker 26 Personally, in my heart, I believe that you knew what happened that day.

Speaker 18 I'm going to tell you like this, Jennifer.

Speaker 21 I know that Darren committed this offense.

Speaker 18 I know that Darren killed your husband. He told you we have a five-year plan.

Speaker 20 We were like caught up in old emotions, but I put the brakes on it.

Speaker 21 But you didn't put the brakes on it.

Speaker 18 How could you talk to somebody that killed your husband?

Speaker 20 I didn't know he killed my husband. I still don't know that he killed my husband.
I wouldn't do that.

Speaker 20 Why would I do that?

Speaker 21 And that's the question I have for you.

Speaker 1 The interview became even more tense when the detective accused Jennifer of giving him false leads, like those American Airlines employees.

Speaker 18 I'm looking at all these other people. What do anybody have against Jamie? Why do anybody want to kill him?

Speaker 20 If you were so in love with Darren, just dump the guy.

Speaker 21 I wasn't. Just tell him how this album.

Speaker 20 I was in love with my husband. I'm telling you the truth.

Speaker 1 So she claimed. Her digital footprints said she was lying.
Her calls and texts with Darren had continued at a crazy rate, even even after Jamie was murdered.

Speaker 18 You had over 24,000 text messages and calls. 24,000.

Speaker 20 I don't work. He's retired.
We talked throughout the day.

Speaker 18 This guy killed your husband.

Speaker 20 How do you know that?

Speaker 18 Because I have proof. And guess what? Darren right now is currently in jail locked up for murder right now.

Speaker 1 Oh my God.

Speaker 7 She had already been mirandized and she logged up. She didn't want to talk anymore.

Speaker 1 Jennifer's story seemed to be falling apart, but investigators wanted to know what she would do next, so they let her walk out the door.

Speaker 1 Instead of locking her up on the same day that Darren gets locked up, is there some value to letting Jennifer kind of continue to play the part of, you know, I had no idea any of this was happening?

Speaker 7 Absolutely. He wanted to keep building the case.
There was still a lot of things that we didn't know.

Speaker 1 Like maybe Jamie wasn't the nice guy everyone thought he was. Jamie's emails tell Darren,

Speaker 1 I'm punishing Jennifer because she's talking to you again.

Speaker 10 Yes, in some of the most sadistic ways you can possibly imagine.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 Jennifer Faith was back on the street, but not off the hook. Evidence against her was piling up.
So were her communications with Darren.

Speaker 1 By the time he was arrested, phone records showed more than 130,000 texts and calls between Darren and Jennifer in less than eight months.

Speaker 1 This was a couple with a lot to say to each other, except during a couple of days in October.

Speaker 10 There was one period of time where where more than a 10-hour period elapsed where Jennifer and Darren Lopez were not texting each other and that just happens to fall on the day before the murder and the day of the murder.

Speaker 10 That was the only period of time.

Speaker 1 That wasn't all.

Speaker 1 Remember that appeal on TV?

Speaker 33 And somebody must know who has a truck like that. It's a black Nissan Titan extended cab, has a Texas Ranger sticker in the back window.

Speaker 1 On Darren's phone, investigators found a text from Jennifer. From that same day, she made her heartfelt appeal.

Speaker 9 She texts him, you need to get that T off the truck.

Speaker 10 He responds back, I will. She goes, you need to get it off right now.

Speaker 10 He responds back, T is gone. I've removed the sticker.
And her response is, yay, I feel so much better.

Speaker 1 Time to arrest Jennifer Faith.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 10 at that point, you have text message clearly obstructing justice.

Speaker 1 And so detectives arrested Jennifer Faith for obstruction of justice. Reporter Maria Guerrero was as shocked as anyone.

Speaker 5 I texted Jennifer and I said, please tell me you did not know about this. Do you want to clear your name? And she texted back, please contact my attorney and gave me his name and number.

Speaker 5 That was the last time that she spoke with me.

Speaker 10 Well, nice try.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Feels to me like you guys are getting near the end of the road at that point.

Speaker 11 It seems to be a love triangle that

Speaker 11 ended up costing Jamie his life.

Speaker 1 At first, maybe it's random. Then maybe it's connected to somebody who's got a grudge against Jamie because of the way he's shot.
Then the affair comes out.

Speaker 1 Maybe Darren wants Jennifer for his own and he's acting to make that happen. Then maybe Jennifer's in on it with him and they're going to live happily ever after.

Speaker 1 What you find after that, I'm pretty sure you've never seen before.

Speaker 10 No, the case takes a dramatic twist for sure. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 It happened five months after the murder while Darren and Jennifer were both in jail.

Speaker 11 Early March of 2021, Darren's ex-wife told me that she was taking care of some of Darren's financial affairs and she needed to access some of his account information from his email.

Speaker 1 As Darren's ex looked through the files, she realized Jamie seemed to have known about the affair with Jennifer.

Speaker 11 And she saw several emails coming from Jamie Faith and

Speaker 11 they detailed information about an abusive relationship that was going on between Jamie and Jennifer.

Speaker 1 Those emails showed the victim, Jamie Faith, started emailing Darren.

Speaker 1 Jamie was also texting Darren using Jennifer's phone. It started six months before the murder.

Speaker 10 Jamie Faith is advising Darren

Speaker 10 that Jamie is abusing sexually and physically his wife as a punishment for them reconnecting.

Speaker 1 Jamie's emails tell Darren,

Speaker 1 I'm punishing Jennifer. because she's talking to you again.

Speaker 10 Yes, in some of the most sadistic ways you can possibly imagine.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 11 There were acts, sexual acts of gang rapes and torture that were described to be carried out by Jamie through these emails.

Speaker 1 Rapes of Jennifer. Right.
By other men in front of Jamie.

Speaker 11 That's correct.

Speaker 1 In case Darren had any trouble believing that, Jamie sent him photographic evidence of the abuse. Multiple injuries, burns, bruises, Jennifer's cut lip.

Speaker 1 And Jamie actually seemed to be bragging about it. How does Darren respond to that?

Speaker 10 Darren responds that he's going to go to the police. He responds that he's going to tell Jamie's employer.

Speaker 1 Jennifer offered another solution, asking Darren to contact her friend, Rob Schmidt.

Speaker 10 We actually saw the original email that Darren sent to Rob Schmidt saying, hey, Rob, I got your email address from Jennifer.

Speaker 10 She asked that I reach out to you for guidance. Jamie is abusing Jennifer.

Speaker 1 And how does Rob respond?

Speaker 10 Rob responds, this is terrible. I will do whatever I can to assist you in this to make sure this abuse stops.

Speaker 1 Rob Schmidt says in the emails that he spoke to Jamie?

Speaker 10 Multiple times, yes.

Speaker 1 And maybe...

Speaker 1 Maybe things have turned a corner. Correct.

Speaker 10 And

Speaker 10 things...

Speaker 10 started to slow down as far as the abuse for a period of time.

Speaker 1 For a while, things seemed to calm down, but but that didn't last. Jennifer told Darren, the assaults had resumed.

Speaker 1 By then, Darren was already considering a more permanent solution to Jennifer's problem. He wrote to Rob,

Speaker 41 I still feel he is very effed up in the head. I know I won't feel better about her situation until she is out of the house away from him, or she lets me put a bullet in Jamie's head.

Speaker 1 And Rob wrote back, Thanks for the update.

Speaker 9 I'm also very concerned, and if it were up to me, I would tell you to go for it with your idea.

Speaker 1 LOL. I'll give you an alibi.
Then, just weeks before the murder, Darren received another email from Jamie.

Speaker 1 He was threatening a sexual assault that could kill Jennifer. It was something Jamie said he was planning for October 9th, and the couple's 15th anniversary.
That was also the day Jamie was killed.

Speaker 1 If Darren really is this guy who sort of saved Jennifer from this horrible horrible, abusive relationship, that's a little easier to understand why maybe she wasn't too anxious for you guys to arrest Aaron because he's helping her out.

Speaker 1 Right. And

Speaker 11 it also could kind of explain why someone who had never broken the law in his life, had never been arrested, would be willing to possibly drive.

Speaker 11 to Dallas to save someone that he believed was being abused.

Speaker 1 Suddenly, everything looked different, seen through a lens of pain and abuse.

Speaker 1 Maybe Jennifer Faith was a victim of sexual assault, and Darren Lopez, a soldier, on a mission to rescue his long-lost love.

Speaker 1 In the interviews that Jennifer gave, did she ever talk about her husband being anything other than a wonderful guy?

Speaker 5 Absolutely not.

Speaker 4 Hey, everybody, it's Rob Lowe here.

Speaker 1 If you haven't heard, I have a podcast that's called Literally with Rob Lowe.

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Speaker 4 Fox.

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Speaker 1 Before investigators found all that sickening evidence of abuse, all anyone had known about Jamie Faith was sunshine and rainbows.

Speaker 1 In the interviews that Jennifer gave to you, to other stations, she ever talked about her husband being anything other than a wonderful guy? Absolutely not.

Speaker 1 So no hint of their problems in the marriage.

Speaker 4 Not one word.

Speaker 1 Now, when investigators poured over those graphic emails, everything they'd believed about Jamie Faith seemed dead wrong.

Speaker 1 The ultimate nice guy IT geek with the cheesy Hawaiian shirts appeared, after all, to be a sadist who'd acted out his darkest impulses on his wife. Maybe that's why Darren Lopez wanted to kill him.

Speaker 1 And why Jennifer's friend Rob Schmidt seemed to be offering Darren an alibi. We ask Rob to explain himself.

Speaker 1 I'm going to read you some emails here. Okay.
This one's dated about five months before Jamie's murdered. Darren is emailing Rob Schmidt.
I still feel Jamie's very effed up in the head.

Speaker 1 I know I won't feel better about her situation until she lets me put a bullet in Jamie's head. And Rob Schmidt

Speaker 1 writes back, if it were up to me, I would tell you to go for it with your idea. LOL, I'll give you an alibi.

Speaker 26 Yeah, it's very funny to

Speaker 28 have words be put into my mouth that

Speaker 28 never existed, that I never typed.

Speaker 1 You didn't write that email. You didn't communicate with Darren by email.

Speaker 28 Never.

Speaker 1 That's exactly what Rob told investigators when they asked. Their next question was, if he didn't write those emails, who did?

Speaker 1 Detectives had sent Jennifer's computer to the FBI, and when it came back, the Fed's analysis left little doubt. It was Jennifer.
All of it.

Speaker 10 We knew that Jennifer Faith had created those false accounts, and that gave us a clear picture of what was going on.

Speaker 1 Well, just a second. What about those photos of Jennifer's injuries?

Speaker 10 She was involved in a car accident in Phoenix, Arizona. Those photographs were taken in 2012.
She sent them to Darren claiming that that was abuse that Jamie was inflicting on her.

Speaker 1 That picture of the bruised lip, that's not Jennifer's lip.

Speaker 10 No, she uploaded that off the internet at shutterstock.com.

Speaker 1 So all her claims of abuse are invented?

Speaker 37 All of them.

Speaker 1 Jamie wasn't abusing her.

Speaker 10 Never.

Speaker 1 That feels like the moment where you stop thinking of Jennifer as victim of the murder and victim of abuse and start thinking of her as perpetrator of everything.

Speaker 11 I think that was one of the defining moments that just clearly hit us that the only true victim in this case was Jamie.

Speaker 11 That Jennifer's hands were just as dirty as Darren's were in this murder.

Speaker 1 Or maybe dirtier. Under the guise of helping Darren, Jennifer had convinced him to give her his psych records.

Speaker 1 Those would have shown her Darren suffered from PTSD and a traumatic brain injury, both from combat. You think his war injuries made Darren easier to manipulate?

Speaker 26 I do.

Speaker 9 I do. And I think that once Jennifer learned that, that's probably something that she took advantage of.

Speaker 1 The more you learn about this case, the worse she sounds. Absolutely.

Speaker 9 Absolutely.

Speaker 1 And if the phony abuse story didn't work, investigators say Jennifer had another plan.

Speaker 1 Their emails were filled with 50 shades of TMI about phone sex, bondage, and other things we don't really talk about on network TV.

Speaker 1 Investigators say it was all designed to twist Darren into Jennifer's willing assassin.

Speaker 1 Whatever it was, Jamie never saw any of it coming.

Speaker 22 No.

Speaker 22 How did he not notice

Speaker 22 Jennifer on the phone constantly?

Speaker 1 My wife's on the phone constantly, but my mind does not go to she's planning to kill me.

Speaker 1 Right?

Speaker 1 Nobody would think that without significant warning and significant reason to think that. Right.

Speaker 22 Here she is living a double life.

Speaker 1 But it was really a triple or quadruple life, wasn't it?

Speaker 22 It was.

Speaker 1 Because she wasn't just being herself. She was also being Bob Schmidt.
She was also being Jamie. It was like a Broadway one-person show.

Speaker 22 It was. I mean, she lied to everyone.
She's lying to her husband. She's lying to Darren.
She's lying to her best friend. She's lying to Jamie's parents.

Speaker 1 Sitting in a Texas jail, Darren Lopez refused to believe it. He was convinced killing Jamie had protected the woman he loved.

Speaker 1 Even his court-appointed attorney, Juan Sanchez, had trouble getting through.

Speaker 3 It was really hard.

Speaker 15 He almost didn't trust me because I was trying to confront him with the truth.

Speaker 1 The world he was living in was not the reality. You'd say to him, by the way, she made this up.
Those emails weren't from her husband. They were all from Jennifer.

Speaker 3 Exactly.

Speaker 1 And he would say, no, no, you're wrong.

Speaker 15 He was just adamant that Jennifer was being abused physically and sexually.

Speaker 1 It took Sanchez months to convince the former soldier he'd been used as a remotely controlled weapon in a murderous scheme.

Speaker 1 Darren eventually agreed to speak with investigators again, and this time gave them a detailed confession of of what went down.

Speaker 1 They recorded the audio.

Speaker 31 He told me that he had her tied up in the closet and he was going to do different things with her.

Speaker 1 Prosecutor Rick Calvert asked about the messages Darren thought were from Jamie.

Speaker 10 That text message you're talking about, was that

Speaker 10 from Jennifer's phone?

Speaker 31 Yes. She had told me that he would take her phone.
He was like mad that I was back with her. And because of that, that, he started hurting her.

Speaker 31 And she's like,

Speaker 31 I think I'm just going to kill him. And I was just like,

Speaker 31 you can't do that.

Speaker 31 You know,

Speaker 31 and so that's where it says that I guess the idea kind of started.

Speaker 1 This son of the volunteer state says he made her mission his own.

Speaker 1 Darren told me that and a whole lot more

Speaker 1 when I asked him, Was it hard to pull a trigger?

Speaker 1 Their high school romance fizzled in the early 1990s, and from then on, Darren Lopez thought of Jennifer Faith as the one that got away. You really never stopped thinking about her, did you?

Speaker 26 No, I didn't.

Speaker 1 I met Darren at the Dallas County Jail, his home for 30 months while he waited for trial.

Speaker 1 Hello. Can you hear me okay? Yes, I can.
In our interview, Darren was, by turns, remorseful, reflective, and regretful about his relationship with Jennifer.

Speaker 1 One that started with a kiss by the Eiffel Tower on a high school trip to Europe. And why didn't it last?

Speaker 26 We grew apart. I mean, we lasted for three, four years.
I tried to go to college.

Speaker 26 I had to drop off off after a year. And then during that time frame is when I joined the reserves.

Speaker 1 Sounds like maybe she stopped thinking about you, but you did not stop thinking about her.

Speaker 26 No, like I said, because before each deployment that I have to take, you know, I have to fill out these forms, questions where if I ever get captured, the

Speaker 26 rescuing force can ask me specific questions that only I'm going to know.

Speaker 1 Something personal that no one would be able to guess or look up.

Speaker 26 Exactly. So I used Jennifer.
So before before each deployment, she was with me.

Speaker 1 Along the way, Darren married, helped to raise five daughters. He says his life grew bleak after he left the Army.

Speaker 1 Then in March 2020 came that reconnection with Jennifer and a short burst of happiness, followed by a descent into hell.

Speaker 26 It was her telling me these things. Over and over again after the stuff had happened, her crying about everything.
That's what I believed. I trusted her.

Speaker 1 Darren told me he finally decided to do what soldiers are trained to do. Take out the enemy.
The mission. Protect Jennifer and her daughter Amber.

Speaker 26 Jennifer's in danger. She's going to be hurt,

Speaker 26 possibly killed Friday night.

Speaker 1 If you don't do something.

Speaker 26 If I didn't do something, she was going to die.

Speaker 1 Even if you believed every single thing she said and were fooled by all the emails, why not go to the police?

Speaker 23 Amber.

Speaker 26 Jennifer, every single time I try to bring it up, she wanted to protect Amber's memory of Jamie as a good father.

Speaker 1 Don't tell me the only way out of that is killing them.

Speaker 26 At the time, yes, I truly believed it because I believed in her. You know, I was trusting her.

Speaker 1 So he got in his truck, drove 10 hours to Dallas. He said Jennifer told him to hide in the yard of the vacant home next door.

Speaker 1 Yes, that was Darren on the video Jennifer showed police the day of the murder.

Speaker 1 She knew all along Darren waited until morning.

Speaker 1 Was it hard to pull the trigger?

Speaker 26 Well, yes, I mean it was

Speaker 26 I mean, I was on like on a mission in the military, but I was in the same type of mindset with it, but I was doing doing what I had to do to protect Jennifer.

Speaker 1 Now, keep this in mind. After the shooting, when he shoved Jennifer onto the pavement as a staged robbery, that was the first time Darren had touched her or even seen her in close to three decades.

Speaker 1 It was also the last time.

Speaker 1 You think she was ever in love with you?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 26 When I got arrested, I I went to jail truly believing I saved Jennifer and Amber.

Speaker 1 When your attorney showed you the evidence that Jennifer wasn't abused, Jamie wasn't this monster, he wasn't beating her up, the threats weren't real, you said

Speaker 1 that's not true. You didn't want to believe that.

Speaker 26 No, no. When my lawyer first told me, you know, it was just that thought never registered in my mind that

Speaker 26 she could use me this way. She told me that we were soulmates.
Why would she put me through all this torture?

Speaker 1 Good question. Months later, as Darren cooperated with the U.S.
Attorney's Office, Jennifer was charged with the federal crime of murder for hire.

Speaker 1 Darren was left to wrestle with the awful truth.

Speaker 1 He had assassinated an innocent man.

Speaker 1 She used me.

Speaker 26 I became her weapon.

Speaker 26 I understand that. And I don't have to live with what I did for the rest of my life, no matter if I'm in here or if I'm out.

Speaker 1 It might be easy to write off Darren Lopez as another casualty of war, a damaged veteran, turned stone-cold killer. His band of brothers says, it's not that simple.

Speaker 37 I just couldn't

Speaker 1 believe it.

Speaker 43 There's somebody that we trust with everything.

Speaker 43 And it's not the person that we know that would do this.

Speaker 1 Phil Heil and Greg Underwood know a different Darren after serving alongside him as Green Berets in the Iraq War.

Speaker 1 They witnessed Darren's courage and kindness as a medic who cared both for his fellow soldiers and for injured Iraqis.

Speaker 37 He was always out there with the children and talking to them and their parents and making sure everything was good, seeing if there was anything he could do for them.

Speaker 1 They remember a day in 2005 when twin truck bombs exploded just outside their base south of Baghdad. Darren took a serious hit to the head and then saw Greg was out cold and in real danger.

Speaker 43 Darren pretty much brought me back to life. He saved my life and I mean he was a close friend and brother before that, but after that

Speaker 43 I could never, I can never repay Darren for that.

Speaker 1 They also know how Darren himself suffered. The brain injury.
the PTSD, the breakup of his marriage.

Speaker 1 Then in the late spring of 2020, Darren's friends say they caught a glimpse of the man they used to know.

Speaker 43 He said, I reconnected with

Speaker 43 old girlfriend, said I'm just talking to her. This was something that just really gave him that glow of a, you know, okay, well, this is good for her.

Speaker 11 Thank you, Sheriff. Y'all may be secret.

Speaker 1 She wasn't in the courtroom, but Jennifer Faith's presence hung over the trial

Speaker 1 as Darren faced a jury in the summer of 2023.

Speaker 1 And while he'd confessed to pulling the trigger, he pleaded not guilty.

Speaker 1 Here's why.

Speaker 43 Darren killed James Faith. But Darren did that because Jennifer led him to believe that she was being abused, beaten.
James is going to kill me is what Jennifer told Darren.

Speaker 1 In Texas, it's called the third-party defense.

Speaker 1 Darren's lawyer laid it out for the jury.

Speaker 16 He felt at that time in order to save her he had to act immediately and take care of the threat.

Speaker 15 You can use deadly force to defend someone if you believe that they're in immediate harm or you can do it to prevent them from committing a murder or an aggravated sexual assault.

Speaker 1 In Texas,

Speaker 1 doesn't that have to be true for you to raise that? Not necessarily.

Speaker 1 Darren Lopez testified that he believed Jennifer's lies about Jamie's abuse.

Speaker 11 Jamie, did you feel she was in danger that day?

Speaker 23 Yes, I did.

Speaker 26 Mortal danger.

Speaker 1 Maybe and maybe not, argued prosecutor Brandi Mitchell.

Speaker 1 Even if Jennifer was manipulating Darren, she said,

Speaker 1 he was all in.

Speaker 8 He is pursuing her.

Speaker 6 He wants her to come visit him.

Speaker 6 These text emails get increasingly sexual in nature. and increasingly graphic in nature.

Speaker 1 How graphic? Well, those emails were read aloud in court, resulting in a deeply cringe-inducing two-person command performance by Prosecutor Mitchell and Detective Barnes.

Speaker 1 Here's a PG sample.

Speaker 8 I love you.

Speaker 11 I so love you. Totally in love with you.

Speaker 1 Later, a steamier exchange.

Speaker 11 Glad to see you are wearing clothes.

Speaker 1 Ha ha ha ha.

Speaker 18 No panties, though.

Speaker 11 My sexy brat,

Speaker 11 I'll just bend you over my lap and give you a quick spanking.

Speaker 1 It gets way rai. Just take my word for it.

Speaker 5 By the end, we all kind of, honestly, we kind of needed a shower. It was not good.

Speaker 1 More important was the question of third-party defense. The prosecutors said under the law, The killer would have to believe the action was necessary to save a life and the danger imminent.

Speaker 5 That means now, right this moment, action is needed. Fear of future danger is never enough.

Speaker 13 Ladies and gentlemen, Darren Lopez had so many options that he did not take.

Speaker 1 They didn't deliberate long. No, they weren't very long.

Speaker 11 We, the jury, unanimously find the defendant, Darren Lopez, guilty of murder as charged in the indictment.

Speaker 1 Darren's defense had always been a long shot.

Speaker 15 You knew. As a matter of fact, I think if they would have

Speaker 15 come back with an acquittal, you probably would have to pick me off the ground.

Speaker 25 And the day that it happened,

Speaker 8 we all celebrated his life.

Speaker 1 What'd you do?

Speaker 22 We all got together.

Speaker 24 Yeah, we all got together, had some drinks.

Speaker 6 It was a good time.

Speaker 1 Darren Lopez was sentenced to 62 years in prison. He's a murderer, but maybe he wouldn't be a murderer if he hadn't hung on to that memory of Jennifer Faith.

Speaker 5 It's very possible. It's a cautionary tale that maybe some people are better left in your past.

Speaker 1 And someone in Jennifer's past has a story that will sound very familiar. She specifically said, I wish my husband was dead.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And what would happen when Jennifer faced justice for Jamie's murder?

Speaker 1 Jennifer Faith, wife, mom, speech therapist, and maybe the biggest mystery in this whole tale of murder and betrayal.

Speaker 1 Remember what the twins said about her?

Speaker 29 I love her, Jamie.

Speaker 1 I love her.

Speaker 24 Like you, that's a keeper for you.

Speaker 1 Jamie Faith loved her, too. Probably still did even at the moment he was murdered this way here's someone else who loved jennifer his name is rickerlaub

Speaker 1 i feel

Speaker 1 like a fool i know you were a little reticent to sit down here because of that sure

Speaker 44 you don't want to look bad

Speaker 1 in front of the world

Speaker 1 When Rick heard about Jennifer's role in the murder, he says he was horrified. Back in 2000, he and Jennifer had an affair while she was still married to husband number one.

Speaker 1 Rick says she pursued him. Not your plan, but there you are.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Now, stop me if you've heard this. But he says Jennifer told him her marriage was hellish and her husband a monster.

Speaker 44 He would have friends come over and rape her.

Speaker 23 He would torture her with implements.

Speaker 1 So this was a woman in a terrible place. Yes.
And you could help her? Yes. Was that your idea or her idea?

Speaker 44 It's her idea until she

Speaker 1 makes it think that it's your idea. Tell me.

Speaker 44 She'll tell you about it and just say, you know, I wish I could get out. I

Speaker 45 wish

Speaker 45 he was dead.

Speaker 1 She specifically said, I wish my husband was dead.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 together, he says they came up with a plan.

Speaker 44 I was supposed to shoot him when he was tending his garden. It was to that point.

Speaker 1 Was this a real plan, or was this some kind of like fantasy that the two of you were talking about? A what if it was close.

Speaker 45 I think it was close.

Speaker 1 He says the talk of murder ended abruptly when Jennifer got a divorce. And then Rick became husband number two.

Speaker 1 Before long, he says he started receiving emails from a couple of strangers. One was a surgeon, the other an airline pilot.

Speaker 1 Each man talked about how hot Jennifer was and how Rick didn't appreciate her.

Speaker 1 You never met the surgeon.

Speaker 10 Nope.

Speaker 1 You never met the pilot.

Speaker 10 Nope.

Speaker 1 Finally, Rick said enough and got a divorce. Today, Rick believes the pilot and the surgeon were phantoms, and Jennifer sent all those emails.

Speaker 1 He also believes her first husband was not the monster Jennifer described. That guy declined an interview with Dateline, and police in Arizona told us there's no evidence he ever abused Jennifer.

Speaker 1 You got pretty bruised by that whole thing, didn't you?

Speaker 44 You know, I wasn't hurt physically, but I lost that time that I could be doing something different that really mattered and not be swimming in a sea of lies and manipulation and

Speaker 1 pain.

Speaker 1 Maybe she thought she'd always get away with lying and manipulating. Truth is, she almost did

Speaker 1 until Darren reappeared. He pulled the trigger.
Yes. But she pulled the strings.

Speaker 11 Yes.

Speaker 11 This murder doesn't happen without both of them.

Speaker 1 Jennifer Faith declined our request for an interview. So we're left to to wonder why she wanted Jamie killed and right in front of her.

Speaker 1 Maybe it was about more than getting him out of her life. Maybe it was also about greed.
How much was the life insurance?

Speaker 10 I believe it was $639,000, plus an additional almost $400,000 in benefits from American Airlines.

Speaker 10 a total in excess of $1 million.

Speaker 1 Jennifer never got that money. She did not.
If you're wondering, she did try.

Speaker 1 And remember how her nice neighbors started that GoFundMe? It raised $60,000.

Speaker 1 A lot of that money went to Darren. Jennifer gave him two credit cards and some expensive gifts.

Speaker 1 They're still talking about that.

Speaker 8 Sent money from the GoFundMe to him to buy like airplane tickets or send it to a TV.

Speaker 8 And I was like, are you kidding me? Because immediately what flashes in my mind when I read that part was remembering her messaging me and saying, I don't know how to access the GoFundMe.

Speaker 8 I can't do it. She played computer illiterate.

Speaker 6 And she's able to create a too fake email account.

Speaker 22 And I'm like, so I physically went to her house and, oh, man, I felt like an idiot.

Speaker 1 Jennifer ended up draining that GoFundMe account. She never did pay for those splashy funerals.

Speaker 1 Long after her arrest, Jennifer insisted she'd been just a helpless bystander in Jamie's killing.

Speaker 1 Then, once Darren confessed, she folded.

Speaker 1 Jennifer pleaded guilty to the federal crime of murder for hire and was sentenced to life without parole. And after that, she sends a note to Jamie's parents saying she still loves him.
Correct.

Speaker 10 Yes. That she did nothing but love Jamie and she would never do anything to harm him.
Yes, she did.

Speaker 1 All evidence to the contrary.

Speaker 23 Correct.

Speaker 1 For those who did love Jamie Faith, this remains the final image of him. His last act, a daily routine, walking the dog with his wife.

Speaker 1 Except she was leading Jamie to his death.

Speaker 1 And she knew it.

Speaker 1 What kind of person does that?

Speaker 22 I don't know. A crazy person, obviously.

Speaker 22 But it's so much more than that.

Speaker 1 Poor Jamie.

Speaker 1 I mean, he really had no idea what he was getting into.

Speaker 22 Yeah, sad. He let his heart go to her,

Speaker 22 and she took his life.

Speaker 10 That's all for now.

Speaker 1 I'm Lester Holt.

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