The Trial of Lori Vallow Daybell

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Speaker 3 Tonight on Dateline, has been any sign at all that she misses her children.

Speaker 6 It makes you wonder with Mother's Day coming up if there's any thoughts about those children.

Speaker 7 Has the jury reached a verdict? Yep, the defendant would please rise.

Speaker 3 Just hours ago, the verdict in the notorious case of doomsday mom Lori Vallo-Daybell, charged in the murders of her own children, Tylee and JJ. Where are your kids? Now, new revelations.

Speaker 8 Lori's sister, she's furious. You went up to Hawaii, you were dancing on the beach while your kids are on the ground.

Speaker 3 Oh, a gut punch. Running to go on with my trying to find some kind of happiness.

Speaker 6 The prosecution was able to show that Chad and Lori were in a hurry to get these kids out of their way.

Speaker 9 Mom, you've been shoving VS on my throat.

Speaker 10 I can't believe that is actually my mom.

Speaker 11 She's destroyed so many people's lives.

Speaker 3 Have you ever seen a thing like this case?

Speaker 13 It didn't matter what obstacle she had to remove to get what she wanted.

Speaker 6 This case defies description.

Speaker 3 It's judgment day at last in this unholy tale of love, power, and murder. I'm Lester Holt, and this is Dateline.

Speaker 3 Here's Keith Morrison with The Trial of Lori Vallo Daybell.

Speaker 3 Here we are at the climax of one of the most astonishing tales we have ever covered.

Speaker 16 The defendant, Lori Vallo-Daybell,

Speaker 13 used money, power, and sex to get what she wanted.

Speaker 3 Yes, that Lori Vallo.

Speaker 3 The mother of two Idaho children.

Speaker 6 Investigation of those two missing Idaho children.

Speaker 18 Coming out in opening statements of the murder trial of the so-called doomsday mom.

Speaker 22 No comment.

Speaker 3 The woman whose story we've been unraveling since we tracked her down as she holidayed with her lover Chad Daybell in Hawaii with deaths in their wake.

Speaker 3 Four deaths in just three months.

Speaker 3 Welcome back, boy.

Speaker 3 And then watched in March 2020. as she was returned to Idaho in handcuffs, by then perhaps the most infamous woman in the country.

Speaker 3 And now it has been shocking here in the courtroom in Boise, Idaho.

Speaker 3 Three years later, we have it: the full story of Laurie Vallodabo's imagined ascent to the ranks of the gods and her fall to earth, told at her trial with revelations and proofs and private phone calls and never-before-seen video

Speaker 3 of a love affair cloaked in religion that produced death.

Speaker 6 This relationship that's built on a bunch of bizarre principles, but they both seem to be all in on it.

Speaker 3 The lies she spewed to authorities.

Speaker 7 So JJ would beware.

Speaker 23 Keith in Arizona.

Speaker 3 And her own family. All leading to the awful realization.
You went off to Hawaii. You were dancing on the beach while your guests are in the ground.

Speaker 3 Here, for a woman preoccupied with celestial judgment, was the judgment of 12 very human jurors.

Speaker 7 Has the jury reached a verdict?

Speaker 7 Yep.

Speaker 3 But before we get to that,

Speaker 3 where to start?

Speaker 3 Maybe here.

Speaker 17 Contestant number 13 is Lori Vallo.

Speaker 3 This is Lori Vallo, as she chose to be seen. The attractive, fit, Mrs.
Texas contestant.

Speaker 24 She's Mrs. Hayes County.

Speaker 3 The bright, charming mom who could handle anything life threw her way, even if that wasn't exactly true.

Speaker 3 She'd grown up in a big family, one of five siblings steeped in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. They were close.

Speaker 3 Baby Sister Summer was devoted to Lori, as especially later in life was her brother Alex.

Speaker 3 Alex, the truck driver and amateur stand-up comedian.

Speaker 3 And, as some would come to call him, Lori's angel of death.

Speaker 3 Lori was 22 and already on her second husband when she had Colby. What was it like to be with her as a little kid?

Speaker 10 She just made everything fun.

Speaker 3 Colby Ryan adored his mom.

Speaker 10 That type of person, you know, that always had a lot of energy and got everybody else in the house excited.

Speaker 3 But marriage number two didn't last either, and so it was just the two of them. That is, the two of them and Lori's beliefs.

Speaker 10 Growing up, she's definitely mentioned the end of the world. Like, well, you know what? These things won't matter as much because the world's going to end.

Speaker 3 Certainly, their world was not very stable. They moved a lot.

Speaker 3 Many apartments, schools, brief friendships. Colby's only constant was her.

Speaker 10 I grew up being her little best friend. She was a single mom for a while before she had my little sister.

Speaker 3 That was Tylee with husband number three.

Speaker 3 Sweet Tylee.

Speaker 3 But that marriage ended too. The breakup as ugly as any breakup could be.

Speaker 3 Which made space for the man who helped her through her custody battles, husband number four,

Speaker 3 Charles Vallow.

Speaker 10 He was super polite and kind of tried to take interest in me and Tyle. He seemed like he genuinely cared about us.

Speaker 3 Cared deeply for Lori, too. No one ever doubted that.

Speaker 3 Charles Vallow swept the family off to a postcard-worthy home in Hawaii, where, because Lori wanted him to, he joined the Church of Latter-day Saints, and where Charles and Lori decided to adopt a little boy, JJ.

Speaker 11 It wasn't long after we got him out of the hospital that Charles approached me on it.

Speaker 3 Kay Woodcock is Charles's sister. She and her husband Larry are little JJ's grandparents, the parents of JJ's biological father.

Speaker 25 Say hello.

Speaker 3 Say hello. JJ had autism and when JJ's parents couldn't care for him, Charles and Lori jumped at the chance.
They were simply the best parents there was

Speaker 3 and they truly did love JJ. There's no doubt in my mind.

Speaker 3 They all did.

Speaker 3 JJ, the love center of the whole family.

Speaker 10 He just came into our lives and we all just fell in love with him so easily. He just was part of our family like without hesitation.

Speaker 3 Such a charming story. Such a happy family.
On her fourth try, maybe Lori had finally found a husband she could spend the rest of her life with.

Speaker 3 So, what happened?

Speaker 3 Well, about the time Colby was grown and leaving home, Charles and Lori moved back to the mainland, rented a home in Chandler, Arizona, where Lori's interest in the end times grew. Rapidly,

Speaker 3 there were chat groups to join, conferences to attend, like the one here in St. George, Utah, a spiritual conference for a Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints group called Preparing a People.

Speaker 3 So maybe this is where the story really begins. When Laurie Vallo locked eyes for the first time on a man named Chad Daybell, this was like an instant fatal attraction.

Speaker 3 Fatal is, it would turn out, exactly the right word to use.

Speaker 3 When Laurie Vallo met Chad Daybell at a spiritual conference in 2018, it was like some magnetic force seemed to pull them together.

Speaker 6 It was an instant lust, an instant attraction.

Speaker 3 Nate Eaton is the news director of East Idaho News and a dateline contributor.

Speaker 3 He and Eric Grossarth, then also with East Idaho News, followed the case of Lori and Chad right along with us from the beginning.

Speaker 6 It was an instant, I want you and I will do anything to have you.

Speaker 3 Chad Daybell was a member of the LDS church, sexton at a cemetery, and sometimes gravedigger.

Speaker 3 Author Chad Daybell would become a speaker and author whose books of fiction were centered on biblical end times.

Speaker 3 He was was married to a woman named Tammy. They had raised five children together, and along the way had moved here to Rexburg, Idaho.
Why, Rexburg?

Speaker 3 This is where he believed he and the other saints were destined to ride out war, famine, earthquakes, the end times.

Speaker 3 At that conference, Laurie was swept up in all of it, and especially by Chad, with his books and ideas about the Second Coming. Extreme ideas that strayed far from traditional Mormon teachings.

Speaker 3 And he looked at her and was mesmerized. He called her a goddess, an actual goddess, said he could see she had unearthly spiritual powers.

Speaker 3 And when she went back home to Arizona, she was a changed woman, as her husband Charles confided to his brothers, Bobby and Jerry.

Speaker 26 She was saying things like she was supernatural and could fly to different planets.

Speaker 3 When Charles traveled for work, Lori hosted little groups of end timers. Chad, too, of course.

Speaker 3 And one night when her husband returned, she locked him out of the house. And the worried Charles told police a wild story.
She was threatening to murder him and have an angel dispose of his body.

Speaker 27 She says, I'm...

Speaker 27 Nick Snyder. I've taken over Charles' body

Speaker 27 and Charles had been killed.

Speaker 3 After that, said his relatives, Charles got his own place, scheduled times to be with JJ,

Speaker 3 and spring and early summer of 2019, begged Lori to see reason.

Speaker 3 Then, on July 10th, Lori texted her brother Alex. I'm going to need you to stay close to me for the next couple days.

Speaker 3 Thank you for standing by me. It's all coming to a head this week.

Speaker 3 Alex went to Lori's place, spent the night there. The next morning, Charles arrived, as scheduled, to pick up JJ for school.
And then...

Speaker 3 You need police or paramedics?

Speaker 3 Both.

Speaker 14 I'm in police in an ambulance.

Speaker 14 There's a gun in the fight with my brother-in-law, and I shot him in self-defense.

Speaker 14 That's right. Flyers right on the street.

Speaker 3 The police were wearing body cams when they responded to the 911 call from Lori's house.

Speaker 27 What happened today?

Speaker 3 How did it get to that? And encountered 51-year-old Alex Cox

Speaker 3 in the front yard.

Speaker 3 Inside, Charles was dead. His body sprawled on the living room floor, shot through the chest.

Speaker 3 A bit later, Lori arrived with her daughter Tylie in tow.

Speaker 27 How long have you lived here? Like three weeks.

Speaker 3 She seemed relaxed. How long have you guys? Tried out a little joke.

Speaker 29 That's why the neighbor said I was saying.

Speaker 27 Gotcha.

Speaker 30 Like, hi, neighbor, sorry.

Speaker 3 Here's the story Lori told down at the station. Charles, she said, was angry, angry at her.

Speaker 22 He

Speaker 31 doesn't want a divorce, but I don't like him and don't want to do it, so.

Speaker 3 So she said, when he arrived to pick up JJ for school, he was primed for a fight.

Speaker 11 And he's like, banging on the door.

Speaker 31 I'm like, okay, here we go. You know, and I was just going to be nice.
I'm just going to be nice as possible.

Speaker 3 Cell phone data put Charles's arrival at 7.35.

Speaker 3 You'll want to remember that.

Speaker 31 He's like acting really weird, like he's plotting something.

Speaker 31 But anyway,

Speaker 31 he goes nuts. He's going nuts on us a lot of times.
Goes nuts, like yelling and screaming.

Speaker 23 Yeah, yelling and screaming.

Speaker 3 Yelling and screaming, which woke up her daughter, 16-year-old Tylee, she said.

Speaker 31 So Tyle came out of her room, upset, and she had a bat, and she told him to leave her mother alone, like, right?

Speaker 29 So she was really whatever.

Speaker 31 And he's screaming at her. And then my brother heard all the commotion.

Speaker 3 That's Lori's brother, Alex. Remember, she'd invited him over.

Speaker 20 So he came after you with the bat.

Speaker 3 And here he is telling police he felt the need to protect Lori. All I heard was her say, don't touch me, and then him

Speaker 22 coming right after her.

Speaker 32 And I shoved him back. Okay.

Speaker 22 And I said, what are you doing?

Speaker 32 He's not going to hurt my sister.

Speaker 23 Hi. Hi.

Speaker 3 In another interview room, Tylie was supporting her mother's story.

Speaker 31 Can you basically tell me what happened today? He honestly just looked like kind of a crazy person.

Speaker 3 Tylie told police she had picked up a baseball bat.

Speaker 31 He just grabbed it and tried to take it, so I held on to the end and then eventually I fell and he kind of took it into his hand.

Speaker 27 And he came at me with the bat again.

Speaker 3 Alex claimed there was quite a scrum then in the hallway with Charles.

Speaker 34 He hit me in the back of the head. I don't know if it was with the bat or not.

Speaker 32 I assumed it was.

Speaker 3 Sure enough, police found a laceration on the back of Alex's head, although they didn't think it looked like a wound inflicted by a baseball bat in the hands of a big guy like Charles.

Speaker 7 What did you do? Did you go?

Speaker 34 I just went straight to the room.

Speaker 32 Okay, because I said, this needs to calm down.

Speaker 3 Okay. But he didn't just sit in the bedroom and wait, he said.
He picked up his.45 caliber handgun instead.

Speaker 34 What happened when you came out with the gun? I said, put that bat down. How many times would you say you told him to, like, put the bat down?

Speaker 22 Once? Once? Okay.

Speaker 34 And then he started advancing towards you. Yes.

Speaker 3 Chadler police detectives, Cassandra Inclan and Nathan Moffat, conducted the interviews of Lori and Alex.

Speaker 3 What kind of impression did you get of this guy?

Speaker 21 He was matter-of-fact. He was up front, but he also said a very standard line of, I was in fear for my safety.
So I shot him.

Speaker 3 Two shots.

Speaker 3 Lori said she was in the kitchen when it happened. Came around the corner to see Charles on the floor.

Speaker 31 I just went into mama. I'm like,

Speaker 31 I've got to go to get JJ to school. And Tylee was like looking at me with like the crazy eyes like, what just happened? And I told her to get in the car and we're going to take JJ to school.

Speaker 3 And they did. Cell phone data shows they left the house at 7.49 a.m.

Speaker 3 And five minutes later at 7.54, surveillance video shows Lori, JJ, and Tylie at this Burger King drive-through, grabbing breakfast before school.

Speaker 31 She was like, we're just going to take JJ to school. And I was like, okay, so I just got in the car.

Speaker 3 Differences of degree, but all three, more or less, told the same story.

Speaker 27 He was just yelling at me.

Speaker 3 Backing Alex's claim that he shot Charles in self-defense.

Speaker 21 There were small discrepancies, but it wasn't anything that was major, anything that you went, oh man, this is, you know, this is a big deal or there's a major problem here.

Speaker 3 So it didn't make it itself obvious in the beginning. It didn't.

Speaker 3 The first inkling that perhaps there was more to this story came when detectives drove them them back to Lori's house in a police van.

Speaker 21 The van ride was straight up bizarre for me. It was the weirdest ride I've ever had with,

Speaker 21 you know, three strangers.

Speaker 3 Why would you say that?

Speaker 21 Lori was just, it was kind of like a happy-go-lucky.

Speaker 21 She was just kind of smiling. It was just a very, very bizarre ride back.

Speaker 3 Bizarre.

Speaker 3 He didn't know the half of it.

Speaker 8 I think

Speaker 8 labeling Charles as a zombie was probably the catalyst that set this whole plot in motion.

Speaker 3 Laurie Vallow's husband of nearly 14 years was dead. Charles, shot by her brother, Alex.
He was just yelling at me. In what he and Lori described as an act of self-defense.

Speaker 31 He's screaming at her, and then my brother heard all the commotion.

Speaker 3 The police who'd listened had no idea back then the depth of what was going on

Speaker 3 couldn't see the turn, spiritual and otherwise, that Lori Vallow's life had taken since she encountered Chad Daybell nine months earlier. Chad, her lover, and her prophet.

Speaker 3 It had been love at first sight when they met.

Speaker 3 Just one problem.

Speaker 36 Charles was in her way.

Speaker 6 She wanted Charles out of the way because he was blocking these spiritual gifts. She was not able to accomplish the mission that she needed to do.

Speaker 3 Oh yes, the mission. Chad imagined himself the leader of his own little church of sorts, a group he would call the Church of the Firstborn.

Speaker 3 Chad told Laurie that they had been married to each other many times over many lives, and in this life, Their greatest mission of all was to bring together the 144,000 true believers for the second coming of Jesus.

Speaker 3 And that they had to fight off evil spirits inhabiting people in their own families.

Speaker 3 According to Chad, Charles may have looked human, but in fact he had turned dark, meaning he was possessed by evil spirits. Those evil spirits had turned him into a zombie, a zombie with a new name.

Speaker 3 As Charles tried to tell police that night that Lori locked him out of the house, I've taken over Charles's body.

Speaker 8 I think

Speaker 8 labeling Charles as a zombie was probably the catalyst that set this whole plot in motion.

Speaker 3 Dr. John Mathias is a clinical psychologist with more than 25 years' experience as a forensic interviewer and expert witness for the courts.

Speaker 3 He and his journalist wife Lauren host the Hidden True Crime podcast.

Speaker 3 They've studied the case from the start, developed their own strong sources, and for a time devoted their podcast exclusively to the case of Chad and Lori.

Speaker 27 I'm going to kill you. You're going to be murdered today or

Speaker 8 I think he was afraid.

Speaker 8 And unfortunately, the police, you know, they looked at Charles.

Speaker 8 He's a pretty big guy, and

Speaker 8 I don't think they took it that seriously.

Speaker 27 He got a six-year-old with special names.

Speaker 3 Maybe they should have. In the weeks before the shooting, Lori's text to her brother Alex focused on the problem of Charles or Ned Schneider.
Texts like this one.

Speaker 3 Hard to understand without context, but it seemed to make perfect sense sense to Alex. Apparently it is tied to Ned being gone, hopefully today or tomorrow.

Speaker 3 Alex responds, have fun and get rid of Ned already. Meanwhile, that tumultuous spring, Lori and Chad were making plans.

Speaker 37 They went to a Latter-day Satan temple and they felt that they had been sealed. It wasn't something that anybody pronounced upon them that, hey, you guys, Chad and Lori, are married.

Speaker 37 It was some sort of feeling that they felt they had.

Speaker 3 How would the LDS church look on an act like that?

Speaker 6 For a couple to come out and say we've self-sealed ourselves, you would look at them like they were crazy.

Speaker 3 And now Charles, Rened, was dead.

Speaker 3 Just wanted someone else there. So back to that self-defense story Lori and her brother had quite convincingly told police.
I hadn't believed there were cracks.

Speaker 3 Like, for example, Alex claimed he fired his two two shots while Charles was standing, confronting him.

Speaker 3 But the bullet police found in the floor beneath Charles' body suggested Alex took the second shot when Charles was already down.

Speaker 3 And the story that Charles threatened Tylee and Alex with a baseball bat? Forensic tests found nothing conclusive to show Charles ever held that bat.

Speaker 3 And then there was this.

Speaker 3 Remember, Lori had texted Alex and asked him to stay close with Charles coming over. So why did Alex respond to police questions this way?

Speaker 34 Is there a reason you spent the night there last night?

Speaker 32 No, not really.

Speaker 34 Okay.

Speaker 34 Just hang out. We're gonna hang out today.
Okay. Did your sister ever tell you she was concerned for her safety or well-being for Charles coming there?

Speaker 25 No.

Speaker 3 Now, compare that to the way Lori answered the question.

Speaker 31 I mean, your brother lives there with you? No, he had stayed with me last night because I was worried he was gonna come over and cause trouble with me.

Speaker 23 Okay. And

Speaker 31 just wanted someone else there, like my brother, there, because I trust my brother.

Speaker 22 I don't know what happened.

Speaker 3 But in fact, something rather amazing had taken place during Lori's interview.

Speaker 31 We do have victim services that work within the police department. They're right over here in Hong Kong.

Speaker 3 A victim's advocate? That's what the detective was offering.

Speaker 8 There was this incredible transformation that occurs in Lori's interview. She essentially convinces the detective that she's a victim.

Speaker 3 Then there was the timing of things.

Speaker 3 Phone records showed Lori left the house with the kids at 7:49 a.m. Charles had been shot by then.
But Alex did not call 911 until 8:36,

Speaker 3 more than 45 minutes after the shooting. And yet, on that call, Alex told the operator.
How long ago did this happen? A couple of minutes.

Speaker 3 Now, that was a lie, and Alex knew it. it.

Speaker 3 In fact, before he called 911, he phoned Lori. They had a chat.

Speaker 3 He didn't mention that.

Speaker 3 And neither did she.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 those revelations would come later. Much later.

Speaker 3 Too late to stop the dreadful, unthinkable things to come.

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Speaker 3 When Kay Woodcock and her husband Larry heard about what happened to Charles Vallo, right away their minds went to this.

Speaker 11 He was ambushed.

Speaker 3 She was ambushed. There's no doubt about it.

Speaker 3 It was premeditated.

Speaker 3 Remember, Kay is Charles's sister, and she and Larry are grandparents to little JJ, who'd been adopted by Lori and Charles.

Speaker 3 They'd been worried for a while, given the things Charles had been telling them about Lori's spiritual 180,

Speaker 3 as were Charles' brothers.

Speaker 26 He said she had chosen a different path, but maybe he didn't know the extent of the path she chose.

Speaker 3 Well, as detectives dug into the death of Charles, they began to uncover more about Lori's path

Speaker 3 and evidence that her spiritual guru and boyfriend Chad Dabo was deeply involved in whatever was going on. For example.

Speaker 28 How can I help you today?

Speaker 39 Um, we just had our death in the family.

Speaker 3 That is Chad calling a funeral home in Arizona just hours after Charles's death.

Speaker 28 We really don't want anything but a cremation, and then to send the cremes to a family in Louisiana. Is there any way to know a ballpark price on that? Yes, and I'm sorry for a lot.

Speaker 22 Um, could you?

Speaker 3 Chad probably wouldn't have made it as a secret agent.

Speaker 28 What is he

Speaker 28 saying?

Speaker 6 At the beginning of the call, he actually uses his name, but then when they ask for his name again, he changes it minutes later, like on the spot, like, oh no, I better come up with something.

Speaker 28 How do you spell the last name, please? D-A-B-A-L Daybell.

Speaker 3 How are you related to the person about?

Speaker 28 I'm his nephew. I live in Iowa.

Speaker 3 Chad, of course, did not live in Iowa. He was in Idaho and was not related to Charles.
Lori was busy on the phone, too.

Speaker 15 Are you calling in reference to a death claim?

Speaker 40 Yes.

Speaker 3 This is Lori, just four days after Charles' death, inquiring about his life insurance policy of a million dollars.

Speaker 15 And your relationship to the insured?

Speaker 15 He's my husband. And what was the cause of his passing?

Speaker 15 Well, he was shot.

Speaker 29 Was it a homicide?

Speaker 15 No, it was an accident. Are you aware of who the primary beneficiar of the policy is?

Speaker 3 It's me.

Speaker 3 Hmm, not exactly. Days later, Lori was informed that the beneficiary was in fact not her at all.
Charles changed it to his sister, Kay.

Speaker 3 News that Lori had to break to Chad.

Speaker 3 She texted him. Quote, so I talked to the insurance company.
He changed it in March. So it was probably Ned before we got rid of him.
It's a spear through my heart. And there it was.

Speaker 3 We got rid of him, meaning Charles. A text found months later that left no doubt, Lori was upset that the shooting of Charles did not produce an insurance payout.
She was not happy.

Speaker 3 They were counting on that money.

Speaker 22 They were. They were.

Speaker 3 Meanwhile, something was happening to Chad Daybell. The once quiet ex-gravedigger had assumed a mantle of godlike certainty.

Speaker 3 And now, for the newly minted widow Laurie Vallo, he became a great lover as he worked the phone like a teenager with FOMO, fear of missing out.

Speaker 3 That furtive call to the funeral home and text to Laurie. Quote, I am heading to bed.
so that I can come snuggle tightly against you. I adore you.

Speaker 3 You are truly my best friend on earth and throughout eternity.

Speaker 3 Of course, this was fantasy snuggling.

Speaker 3 A text directed to Laurie in Arizona, but Chad was still in Idaho, still very married to his wife of nearly three decades, Tammy, the mother of his five children.

Speaker 3 Except, Chad told Laurie, their trysts were more than fantasy, that he'd go into his closet at night and cross some otherworldly threshold to be with her.

Speaker 8 That's Chad Daybell flexing his muscles for Lori. If Chad Daybell is not a prophet, then he's just an average Joe.

Speaker 3 In fact, records show that immediately after Charles was killed, Chad poured out a love story, all in texts and emails, to Lori.

Speaker 3 It was written as if fictional. It was the story of their meeting at that religious conference in St.
George, Utah.

Speaker 6 He doesn't use the name Chad and Lori. He uses the names James and Elena.

Speaker 3 James and Elena were introduced at a conference in St. George.

Speaker 3 A conference just like the one they attended, of course.

Speaker 3 The feelings were very strong, as if they had known each other, oh, so long.

Speaker 3 He called Elena, or Lori, an exalted goddess.

Speaker 3 Chad's romance novel often took turns that would make a harlequin editor blush. Their spirits could not be restrained any longer, and a long-awaited make-out session took place in that lobby.

Speaker 3 This was manifest in the mortal world to James and Elena through the scientific phenomenon known as loin fire.

Speaker 8 Loin fire. I'm not sure what science they're referring to there, but

Speaker 3 maybe you like biblical science. It's pretty basic, I think.

Speaker 3 We'll spare you much of the rest of that story, but this is the key point.

Speaker 3 As James placed his hands on her head, he connected with Elena's true eternal self.

Speaker 3 She then gave him a tremendous blessing that helped him realize how much she truly loved him and wanted to be with him forever.

Speaker 8 The love story shows that Chad's grandiosity is increasing.

Speaker 3 But a month after Charles' death, Lori was getting impatient. Chad was still married to Tammy.
So Lori opted to play Hard to Get this text. I'm just a distraction.
Go have fun with your family.

Speaker 3 I really do want you to. I just can't be in the way anymore.

Speaker 3 If things change, we can talk, but we have nothing until things change anyway.

Speaker 3 Must have worked, because two days later, after talking to God, she texted a friend.

Speaker 3 I got father saying things are moving, that I need to get to Idaho by the end of the month.

Speaker 3 She would have her Chad, and he, her,

Speaker 3 and there would be a sacrifice.

Speaker 3 Kay and Barry Woodcock were grief-stricken for the death of Charles Vallo and furious. Straight-out murder, they called it.

Speaker 3 And now, on top of that, they were worried, very worried, about JJ.

Speaker 3 It had been months since Charles's death, and ever since then, Laurie had been ghosting them. And they hadn't heard a word from or about their grandson, JJ.

Speaker 3 You know, we called Laurie so many times. I emailed her

Speaker 21 texture, death voicemails, please.

Speaker 3 Everything.

Speaker 11 Let us please.

Speaker 11 Whatever. We want to see JJ.

Speaker 3 No response. None.

Speaker 3 What was Lori up to?

Speaker 3 They had no clue, investigators didn't either, that two months after Charles' death, Lori left the jurisdiction of police in Arizona and moved into a rented townhouse in Rexburg, Idaho.

Speaker 3 And Alex rented his own place. in the same complex.

Speaker 3 But here, too, there were inconvenient people in the way of Lori and Chad.

Speaker 3 A list that included Chad's wife, Tammy. And so terribly disturbing.
Also apparently on the list were Lori's own young children, seven-year-old JJ and 16-year-old Tylee.

Speaker 3 Hadn't Chad been suggesting for quite some time that Tylee had gone dark?

Speaker 18 Two days after they met in St. George, Utah, it took two days for him to send Lori Vallow an email saying that her 16-year-old daughter Tyle is dark.

Speaker 3 Dark. Just the way he'd described Lori's now dead husband, Charles.

Speaker 3 When Tyle was young, Lori, with Alex's help, waged a ferocious custody battle to keep Tyle away from her biological father. That was the husband before Charles.

Speaker 3 Alex even went to prison for attacking Tyle's dad. He said he wanted to kill the man to protect Tyle, to make sure she stayed with her mother.

Speaker 3 But now, a decade later, Chad was involved. Chad, so versed in the Bible and its stories of sacrifice.

Speaker 8 It's important to keep in mind, I think, with Chad and Lori, that there's always a religious component. You know, the story of Abraham and Isaac.

Speaker 8 where God wanted to see if Abraham was willing to sacrifice his son. And I think you see some of that here with Chad.
I think Chad is testing Lori to some degree.

Speaker 8 This seems like the ultimate test to ask to sacrifice your kids.

Speaker 3 A few days after Lori and her kids moved to Idaho, they went to Yellowstone Park, where they posed for these pictures with Uncle Alex. It was just days before Tylee's 17th birthday.

Speaker 3 By that evening, September 8th, they were back in their new townhouses in Rexburg. Lori and the kids in hers, Alex in his.

Speaker 3 And then, middle of that night, as GPS records would later show, Alex went to Lori's place, spent two hours there. Was it common for Alex to spend the night at Lori's place?

Speaker 6 No, he was not over at Lori's house ever at night, except one particular night.

Speaker 3 Tyley was never seen alive again.

Speaker 3 As for JJ, less than a week later, on September 14th, Lori and JJ went on an outing to a wildlife park. Lori, we are at Bear World.
It's such a beautiful day.

Speaker 3 But the next week, as friends later told us, Lori said seven-year-old JJ had become a zombie.

Speaker 3 Lori's friend Melanie Gibb and her now husband David Warwick came to Rexburg for a spiritual conference. Did you see Tylie there?

Speaker 22 No.

Speaker 3 What did Lori tell you about where she was?

Speaker 29 She told me she was at BYU, Idaho, going to school with some friends.

Speaker 3 The BYU, Idaho campus is just up the hill from Lori's townhouse.

Speaker 41 I was like, huh, she got her in a BYU.

Speaker 29 I wonder how she did that.

Speaker 3 Tylee was still high school age.

Speaker 3 Lori's eldest son, Colby, was wondering about his sister Tyle, too.

Speaker 3 How she was coping in the months since her stepdad's death.

Speaker 10 I was texting her. I say, hey, I love you.
Like, you want to talk. Let's talk.
After Charles, I felt like

Speaker 10 I want her to know, like, the door is completely open. Call me, let's talk about anything you want.

Speaker 17 And what was the response?

Speaker 10 It'd be like, hey, love you, super busy.

Speaker 3 But was that Tylie texting or someone else? When Melanie and David were visiting in late September, they did see JJ. Lori made a point to tell her that JJ was out of control.

Speaker 29 She was obsessed about talking about it to the point where she was saying, look how he's behaving.

Speaker 29 Look how hyper he is here. She was planting ideas to show me that she believed he was a zombie.
And to my mind, he looked like typical JJ to me.

Speaker 3 One evening, David saw Alex taking JJ outside after he was acting up. And then, a couple hours later, Alex brings back JJ.
He walked in. He had JJ on.

Speaker 1 He was asleep on him. And he carried him up to bed.

Speaker 3 September 22nd, a last photo of JJ ready for bed in his red pajamas.

Speaker 3 Less than 48 hours later, Lori sent a message to the babysitter she'd hired just days earlier. She would not be needed.

Speaker 3 Lori. JJ's grandparents came this weekend and they took him for a few weeks to give me a break, so he won't be back until probably the end of October.

Speaker 3 Where were the children? Officials weren't looking for them, not yet anyway. And the mission continued.

Speaker 3 There was another dark individual in their way.

Speaker 42 Someone just shot my window.

Speaker 3 Lori Vallo's children, JJ and Tylee, had not been spotted with or without their mother in more than a week. But Lori herself didn't seem concerned.

Speaker 3 She was far more interested in spending time with Chad Daybell and pursuing their mission of gathering those 144,000 souls to be saved and added to their little group.

Speaker 3 The Church of the Firstborn, as Chad called it. She the goddess, he the highest of priests.
Some members of Lori's family seemed all in too. Her brother Alex and their niece, Melanie.

Speaker 29 I loved Lori.

Speaker 38 Lori used to carry me around as a little baby and pretend that I was hers when she was 16.

Speaker 3 Melanie and her aunt Lori were close and soon Melanie was swept up in her new beliefs too, which took a toll on her marriage with her husband back in Arizona.

Speaker 43 911, where's your emergency?

Speaker 42 Um, someone just shot my window.

Speaker 28 I was pouring my house.

Speaker 3 That is the husband, Brandon Boudreaux in the Phoenix suburb of Gilbert, Arizona, making a frantic call to 911.

Speaker 43 Okay, someone shot at your vehicle?

Speaker 42 Yeah, and it hit my window, shattered my driver's side window as I was trying to pull into my driveway.

Speaker 22 Sorry, I'm a little lost in breath.

Speaker 3 At the time, he and Melanie were separated, and now they were going through a nasty custody fight.

Speaker 3 Brandon told the police that he was arriving home from the gym around 9 a.m.

Speaker 3 He saw a jeep parked nearby and then a gun equipped with a silencer appeared in the jeep's rear window and suddenly he said a bullet whizzed by his ear and shattered the window of his car they just drove off i saw him drive off

Speaker 3 brandon described the vehicle as a gray jeep with texas plates

Speaker 3 the very same jeep that lori's daughter tyley drove a gift from her now dead stepfather charles and the guy driving the jeep brandon Brandon thought it could be Lori's brother, Alex.

Speaker 3 Remember, Alex had already killed his sister, Lori's husband. So was he trying to shoot his niece, Melanie's husband, too?

Speaker 3 Brandon certainly thought so. In an interview with Melanie and her new husband in March 2020, we asked Melanie about that.
Did you ask Alex if he tried to shoot Brandon?

Speaker 3 I did.

Speaker 38 Then he made some jokes about it, and then we both talked about how insane that would be for him across the street with a rifle in broad daylight in a recognizable car.

Speaker 3 Did he ever actually deny it?

Speaker 38 Yeah, he denied it many times.

Speaker 3 Nelani herself has denied wanting Brandon dead. After all, she said he was the father of her children.
She even suggested he made up the shooting story.

Speaker 3 But texts show that Brandon was indeed out of favor with Chad and Laurie.

Speaker 3 Chad had labeled Brandon a Gadianton, which the Book of Mormon calls a secret criminal organization of robbers in ancient America.

Speaker 37 It's the ancient mafia in the Book of Mormon.

Speaker 3 Friends said Chad had also labeled Brandon dark.

Speaker 3 And dark, in the language of Chad and Laurie's group, often meant marked for death.

Speaker 3 When we spoke with her, Melanie denied being part of Laurie and Chad's group. Denied there even was a group.
Or as some labeled it, a cult.

Speaker 3 You know, the unsaid thing in this conversation here is that were you both kind of members of this group of people who gravitated around Chad and Lori and

Speaker 3 no.

Speaker 38 I'm not any, I'm not, and never have been a member of any cult. I gravitated towards Lori being my aunt because she had great faith and still does.

Speaker 38 And so yeah, I love her and try to spend time with her, but I'm not a member of any cult

Speaker 38 and she's not either as far as I know.

Speaker 3 After the shooting, Melanie moved to Idaho right near her Aunt Lori and Uncle Alex.

Speaker 3 Brandon went into hiding with their four children. Quite convinced, he told us later that Alex and Melanie were trying to hunt them down.

Speaker 3 Then, big news. Chad texting Lori.
His wife, Tammy, had become a demon named Viola.

Speaker 3 Something would have to be done.

Speaker 24 And he said, I wouldn't be surprised if she dies in her sleep.

Speaker 3 Time for the next act by the Church of the Firstborn.

Speaker 3 During that first week of October 2019, as investigators in Gilbert, Arizona looked for whoever fired a shot at Brandon Boudreaux,

Speaker 3 the leaves changed and fall came to eastern Idaho. And Judy Rowe, who writes and speaks about the end times and related matters, picked up the phone to call her publisher, Chad Daybell.

Speaker 3 Chad had been telling Julie he'd been having visions about his wife, Tammy. Visions of Tammy dying.

Speaker 3 It was unsettling, said Julie.

Speaker 24 I asked him, do you still see Tammy dying? Because he had told me he saw her dying in a car accident. And he said, yes.
I wouldn't be surprised if she dies in her sleep, though.

Speaker 3 Even though Julie herself routinely discussed prophetic visions and visiting heaven on the other side of the veil, she was rattled by the things Chad was telling her.

Speaker 3 Did he ever express frustration to you that Tammy was still alive because he couldn't move on while she was alive?

Speaker 24 Yes, at least four times that I know of, he said to me, I don't feel like my plan can move on until Tammy dies or until Tammy's dead.

Speaker 24 I got this ick feeling, but I could never imagine somebody I knew would kill somebody, right?

Speaker 3 Oh, how many times have we heard that?

Speaker 3 Soon after talking to Julie, Chad texted Lori with a real headline.

Speaker 6 Chad to Lori.

Speaker 3 Hello, sweet angel. Big news about Tammy.
Please let me know if you're awake awake and can talk. I love you.

Speaker 3 The short version is that she has been switched. Tammy is in limbo, and a level 3 demonic entity is in her body.
Sound familiar?

Speaker 27 Says I'm

Speaker 27 Nick Snyder.

Speaker 3 Remember, they said the very same thing about Charles shortly before Alex shot him to death. But Chad seemed to want to press the accelerator regarding Tammy.

Speaker 3 In this text, Chad wrote, Not fully sure of the timing timing for removal, but I don't want to wait.

Speaker 3 Four days after that text, Tammy posted on Facebook that someone wearing a mask had approached her as she arrived home from a church event and fired several rounds at her with what she thought was a paintball gun.

Speaker 3 This is Tammy's sister, Samantha.

Speaker 29 I think she thought it was a kid.

Speaker 3 Was she sure it was a paintball gun?

Speaker 40 I mean, I think in her mind, what else could it be?

Speaker 3 That it must have been a prank of some kind.

Speaker 40 Yeah, but who pulls that kind of a prank?

Speaker 3 A prank? Police don't think so.

Speaker 6 I think that investigators will say this was not a paintball gun. This was a real gun that either misfired or the shooter did not aim correctly.

Speaker 3 It was just 10 days after that paintball incident that Chad Daybell called Tammy's sister, Samantha.

Speaker 40 I got a phone call from Chad telling me that she had passed away in her sleep.

Speaker 5 How do you process something like that?

Speaker 18 Um, you don't.

Speaker 40 I mean, like, there's just so many thoughts running through your head,

Speaker 29 and a lot of it was like, no, that didn't happen.

Speaker 3 What did Chad say happened?

Speaker 40 That

Speaker 40 she'd been sick and had a coughing fit and passed away.

Speaker 3 How did he sound on the phone?

Speaker 40 He sounded upset and devastated. I mean, I was crying and he was crying, and

Speaker 38 yeah, it was a really hard moment.

Speaker 3 Tammy was buried days later in her hometown in Utah. There was no autopsy.
Chad's choice, the sheriff said.

Speaker 3 And law enforcement, without knowing any more of the story back then, had no reason to be suspicious.

Speaker 3 And two weeks later, November 5th, Chad and Lori's romance novel reached what fantasy fiction might call happily ever after.

Speaker 3 They were married on the beach in Kauai,

Speaker 3 much to the surprise of Tammy's family.

Speaker 29 Obviously, I was really upset.

Speaker 3 You feel almost betrayed.

Speaker 29 Yeah.

Speaker 18 Yeah, because

Speaker 40 I felt like

Speaker 40 that was too soon for anybody to get over my sister.

Speaker 3 The next time they spoke, Samantha grilled Chad about this new wife of his.

Speaker 40 I said,

Speaker 40 okay, so tell me about her.

Speaker 40 And I said, does she have children and he told me no

Speaker 3 her children are grown and we'll be empty nesters empty nesters Lori's children JJ and Tylie were indeed conspicuously absent from those blissful wedding photos and so was her adult son Colby who didn't even know they got married until

Speaker 10 I saw the pictures of them and just the dancing and just knowing that they are there alone both of them having so much family that they just

Speaker 10 cut. There's just no word for it.

Speaker 3 Two dead spouses, two missing children. And no police anywhere had put it together yet.
The night they encountered Lori's brother Alex outside the home of, just maybe, the next victim.

Speaker 33 What's up, Alex? Just keep your hands out where we can see him, all right?

Speaker 3 As Chad and Lori were honeymooning in Hawaii, back on the mainland, some of those in their inner circle were up to something.

Speaker 3 This is police video in American Fork, Utah. And this is Lori's niece, Melanie.

Speaker 3 What was she doing here?

Speaker 3 You'll remember, Melanie's husband, Brandon, said someone he thought Lori's brother, Alex, had taken a shot at him in Arizona.

Speaker 3 After which, Brandon took the kids and went into hiding, eventually ending up here at his parents' place just south of Salt Lake City.

Speaker 3 And now, here was Melanie, right outside, demanding to see her children. Officers, I have a legal mediation agreement.
My kids have been held out of state.

Speaker 18 I asked an officer to come here last night to do a check-in because I'm worried they're in danger.

Speaker 22 But you came over here

Speaker 45 after being told that you were criminally trespassing. But I have an agreement saying that.
From this residence, correct?

Speaker 3 This was not long after Melanie was seen entering the family's garage.

Speaker 44 My kids are, I'm worried they're in danger because I've

Speaker 44 my husband's been doing a lot of things that

Speaker 44 cause me to worry. He

Speaker 44 says he was shot at a month ago.

Speaker 33 And then he went into hiding, and no one in Arizona has seen him for weeks or my children.

Speaker 3 Melanie continued to argue with the officers, asking them to let her go inside and check on the kids or remove them and put them in her car.

Speaker 3 So police went inside and checked.

Speaker 33 They are safe and they're taken care of. So we're not just going to go in there and remove them from the house.

Speaker 3 Melanie also asked the officer something that, well, it may sound familiar.

Speaker 18 Do you have a victim's advocate I can speak to in the police department, please? Okay. She keeps saying, get me a victim's advocate.
Get me a victim's advocate.

Speaker 18 And I can picture Lori saying this to her because that's what happened to Lori when Charles was killed.

Speaker 3 Then the officers noticed somebody sitting in a car on the street nearby. Who's in the car with you? It's my Uncle Alex.

Speaker 3 Uncle Alex, the very person who Brandon believed had tried to kill him, who already had killed Lori's husband,

Speaker 3 possibly others as well.

Speaker 33 What's up, Alex? Yeah, you got your idea on your man? Yeah. Let me get that from you real quick.

Speaker 45 Can I open the door? I just got a

Speaker 33 back pocket. Just keep your hands out where we can see him, all right? Here we go.

Speaker 3 Given Alex's history, it's reasonable to wonder what he and Melanie were up to. And eventually, investigators learned that Chad had labeled two of Brandon's kids dark.

Speaker 3 But that night, the officers had no idea. All right, Melanie.

Speaker 45 Today you're going to be receiving a citation for criminal trespass.

Speaker 3 Initially, police decided to give Melanie a ticket.

Speaker 7 Because

Speaker 7 we were not allowed on that property over the phone, you said.

Speaker 33 But if my kids were in there, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 44 We can argue about it all day.

Speaker 3 And before long, officers changed their minds and upgraded the charges.

Speaker 45 Okay, so things have changed a little bit. Okay.

Speaker 45 Your criminal trespass is enhanced. to domestic violence.

Speaker 33 All right, let's go ahead and have a seat in there.

Speaker 44 Never been in a cop car before.

Speaker 3 And still nearby was Melanie's uncle, Alex.

Speaker 3 Mr. Cox,

Speaker 12 I'm going to leave this with you.

Speaker 45 Melanie is going to be going to the Utah County Jail tonight.

Speaker 33 Okay, so where would I bail her out?

Speaker 33 Yeah, you're going to be able to bail her out.

Speaker 45 It doesn't take very long to process her.

Speaker 44 All right. Thanks, guys.

Speaker 3 Within hours, Alex Cox posted nearly $2,000 $2,000 bail and Melanie was freed.

Speaker 3 She eventually pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor criminal trespass and received a six-month suspended sentence and a year of probation.

Speaker 3 If those Utah police officers unwittingly foiled a murder plot, we may never know.

Speaker 18 The kids are in danger. Really, you're going to have their Uncle Alex take them? You think that's better?

Speaker 14 It's just...

Speaker 8 That'll make them safer.

Speaker 3 Melanie denied there was any plot. It was just a mother worried about her kids, she said.

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Speaker 3 Mid-November 2019, Chad and Laurie's Church of the Firstborn was flush with expectations of eternal glory.

Speaker 3 The happy couple had just returned from their honeymoon in Hawaii. Melanie had returned home after her arrest for trespassing in Utah.

Speaker 3 She was accompanied by Alex, who was about to be rewarded for his efforts on behalf of their new church and his sister Lori.

Speaker 3 A ceremony borrowed from Mormonism, a patriarchal blessing.

Speaker 6 So, a patriarchal blessing is a blessing that baptized members of the church go and get from a patriarch or an official who has been called to give these blessings.

Speaker 6 For Chad to consider himself a patriarch and then to give a blessing to Alex

Speaker 6 could be blasphemous.

Speaker 3 But records show Chad's blessing started like this.

Speaker 3 Alexander Lamar Cox, on this special day I lay my hands upon your head to give you a patriarchal blessing as a member of the Church of the Firstborn, of which you have earned the privilege to be a member.

Speaker 3 The blessing was full of flattery and references to Alex's service to Lori, who, remember, Chad had repeatedly called a goddess.

Speaker 3 Powerful goddesses needed to be protected, and you were selected to help protect your sister.

Speaker 3 Oh yes, Alex had helped his sister. Charles was dead.
Tammy was dead. Lori's children were missing.

Speaker 3 By late November, four months after Charles was shot, the Woodcocks were growing more and more worried.

Speaker 3 Kay didn't even know where Lori was living, and she hadn't heard from the kids since the shooting.

Speaker 11 It was extremely unnerving to us because

Speaker 11 we had no idea what was going on. We knew nothing.

Speaker 3 Then, on one sleepless night, Kay crawled out of bed, turned on her computer, and found her way into the Gmail account of her now-deceased brother Charles by guessing his password.

Speaker 11 Charles had three common passwords. First one I put in worked.

Speaker 11 I looking at his inbox and I see

Speaker 11 emails from Amazon. So I clicked on one and it was an order being delivered to Rexburg, Idaho.
I said, well, damn,

Speaker 11 this is their address.

Speaker 38 This is where they are.

Speaker 3 A eureka moment, if there ever was one. So as soon as the sun came up, Kay called in a welfare check on the kids using that Idaho address.

Speaker 3 And not long after, there was a knock on Lori's townhouse door in Rexburg.

Speaker 44 Hi.

Speaker 22 You, Lori.

Speaker 7 Lori, I'm Lieutenant Ball of Police Department. How are you?

Speaker 3 You got him in?

Speaker 3 Police body cams recorded the conversation.

Speaker 7 So JJ would be where?

Speaker 23 He's in Arizona.

Speaker 22 Who's he with in Arizona?

Speaker 23 He's with one of my friends in Arizona.

Speaker 3 But of course, that was a lie. As we now know, JJ was not in Arizona.
And Tylee had not enrolled at BYU.

Speaker 3 It was

Speaker 3 worse JJ, worst JJ, worst JJ.

Speaker 3 And Tylie. Worst kids.

Speaker 3 Lori's son Colby had also heard from police by that point and he phoned his mom.

Speaker 10 I was freaking out and I said,

Speaker 10 the two detectives are looking for Tylie and JJ.

Speaker 1 What is going on?

Speaker 10 And she said, I got it. I'll take care of it.
I love you.

Speaker 3 But when Colby called back the next day, phone's gone.

Speaker 10 Like, not like off, like disconnected line, like called, canceled. So, I freak out.
I call Tylie's number. It's off.
Leave her a voicemail. I email my mom.
I text her.

Speaker 10 I'm going as much as I can possibly get to try to talk to her. And that was it.

Speaker 10 Last word, she said, she's got it.

Speaker 3 A few days after Colby had frantically tried to reach his mom, police went to Lori's condo and discovered...

Speaker 3 Lori was gone.

Speaker 19 The search for these children has now gone in national.

Speaker 12 Dude, out of the latest twist in a mystery surrounding the disappearance of two siblings who vanished months ago.

Speaker 47 Police say their mother and her husband are refusing to cooperate with the investigation.

Speaker 3 A national search for the children was soon underway.

Speaker 3 And what about Alex? Well, whatever he knew, he was not telling investigators.

Speaker 3 But he was talking to his new wife, Zulema. Chad had arranged their marriage as a reward to Alex for his devotion to Lori and their church.

Speaker 3 It was months later when Zulema told the police what Alex told her after he learned that authorities were going to exhume the body of Chad's wife Tammy, whose death would later be ruled a homicide.

Speaker 48 And that's when he said, I think I am being their

Speaker 48 fall guy.

Speaker 3 Alex, who'd always stood by his sister, seemed to develop doubts about Chad and Lori and their mission.

Speaker 48 Now I'm like, the fall guy for what?

Speaker 48 What is it? Tell me, what is it that they're trying to pin on you? What did they do?

Speaker 3 And he just wouldn't say anything else. And then, said Zulema, Alex told her something she didn't understand.

Speaker 35 He said to me, Zulema, if anything happens to me,

Speaker 35 I want you to know that there is money in a bag in the closet. He said, it's not much,

Speaker 35 but

Speaker 35 it's for you.

Speaker 32 And how much was that?

Speaker 35 Between $5,000 and $7,000 or something like that.

Speaker 32 Did you ask him, like, why would anything ever happen to you?

Speaker 48 I did.

Speaker 48 I said, don't say things like that, Alex. I said, why would we just say something like that?

Speaker 35 And then he said,

Speaker 23 just in case.

Speaker 22 Just in case.

Speaker 3 Maybe Alex wasn't the only one who should have been worried about the future. For all the talk of visions and prophecy, is there any way Chad and Lori saw this coming?

Speaker 17 Hey, Chad and Lori State Line. How are you?

Speaker 3 Early December 2019,

Speaker 3 a little more than a year after Chad Daybell met Lori Vallo. Their spouses, Charles and Tammy, were dead.
Lori's children, JJ and Tylie, were missing and feared dead.

Speaker 3 Lori's niece's husband, Brandon, had survived an attempt on his life.

Speaker 3 It was a tally worthy of La Cosa Nostra or some sort of crime family.

Speaker 3 All of that in less than six months. And there was one more untimely death to come.

Speaker 31 Okay, what is the emergency?

Speaker 3 A few days after Alex told Zulema about the bag of money, if anything happens to me, he was in their bathroom in Gilbert, Arizona, and he collapsed.

Speaker 48 And I remember them taking us to the hospital.

Speaker 35 They started working with him and I don't remember much of what happened between that and until the time that they brought me back to the room

Speaker 35 for me to turn off the machines for him.

Speaker 3 It will surprise no one that there was considerable suspicion early on of foul play until the autopsy came back and concluded that the death of Alex Cox was

Speaker 3 not a crime at all. It was blood clots in his lungs that killed him, said the ME.

Speaker 3 Zulema said he'd been complaining about chest pains for about a week. Killings, a priestly blessing, and then an untimely death.
Connected somehow?

Speaker 3 Who knows?

Speaker 3 Alex was 51. He and Zulema had been married for less than two weeks.
It's awfully convenient, isn't it?

Speaker 6 Yeah, that might be the most convenient thing out of this entire story.

Speaker 3 But if Zulema mourned, the family of Charles Vallo, shot dead by Alex six months prior, did not.

Speaker 5 Well, Alex probably lucky he died because I'm not an angry or violent person, but I tell you what, it probably would have taken me a lot to stop from going to Arizona, paying him a little visit.

Speaker 3 Alex was dead. The police were investigating the deaths of Charles and Tammy.
The FBI was trying to find the missing kids. It was all coming down on Chad and Lori.

Speaker 6 Tonight, two Arizona kids are missing after vanishing without a trace.

Speaker 3 Their mother and her new husband are now considered persons of interest. Eventually, a tip led us here to Kauai, where we found Lori and her new husband, Chad, at a resort hotel dressed for the beach.

Speaker 17 Hey, Chad and Lori, State Line. How are you?

Speaker 3 Just had an outsider? No, no comments.

Speaker 3 Where are your kids?

Speaker 3 When police in Hawaii found Chad and Lori lounging poolside, they served them with a court order to produce evidence that Tylee and JJ were alive and well. Do you need something?

Speaker 3 Any questions? You have any questions for that?

Speaker 3 No. Okay.
Weeks later, when Lori had still not responded, she was arrested and flown back to Idaho.

Speaker 3 And then, three months later, on June 9th, 2020, while investigators were searching Chad's home, they called from and paid for by

Speaker 49 Dr. Lori

Speaker 49 and inmate at

Speaker 3 Lori called Chad from jail.

Speaker 3 An hour later, investigators found them, JJ and Tylee, buried in Chad's backyard. Chad was arrested while driving away.

Speaker 3 There he is! Here he is!

Speaker 3 Investigators poured over Lori and Chad's texts and emails, and the picture they painted was not pretty.

Speaker 3 Chad was charged with three counts of first-degree murder and conspiracy in connection with the deaths of JJ and Tyle and his wife, Tammy.

Speaker 3 Lori was charged with two counts of first-degree murder and conspiracy in her children's deaths. and conspiracy to kill Tammy Daybell.
Both pleaded not guilty.

Speaker 3 But Lori's trial went on hold after a judge deemed her incompetent to stand trial. She was transferred to a mental health facility.

Speaker 3 I'm sure you've heard lots of people suggest that she, oh, she's just faking it.

Speaker 8 It's a reasonable assumption. I think if you look at Lori's history of manipulation and deceitfulness, you certainly have to wonder if she is faking it.

Speaker 3 Wouldn't surprise you to see this go on and on for quite some time.

Speaker 8 It could.

Speaker 3 And it did for 10 months until the judge said Lori had restored competency and was fit to stand trial. And so last month, press from around the world descended on Idaho again.

Speaker 25 We will go on the record on this matter: state of Idaho versus Lori Norrine Vallow.

Speaker 3 It was judgment time for Laurie Vallow.

Speaker 3 It was never going to be ordinary, the trial of Lori Vallo.

Speaker 3 Even her pre-trial hearings drew huge throngs as she managed, for the cameras, to darken her lips with red candies and somehow managed to keep her hair at least partly bottle blonde.

Speaker 6 This case defies description.

Speaker 3 East Idaho News Director Nate Eaton covered the trial gabble-to-gabble.

Speaker 6 When you think it can't get any crazier, it does.

Speaker 6 And when you think it can't be any more unbelievable, something new is dropped.

Speaker 3 Lori and Chad are being tried separately. Lori's trial began 1st, April 2023.

Speaker 3 It was the judge's decision to exclude television cameras from the courtroom during trial. To avoid a circus, perhaps.

Speaker 3 But it did not keep the crowds away, eager for a look at the woman charged with killing her own children and orchestrating the murders of her husband and her lover's wife.

Speaker 6 There were people from everywhere, Australia, South Africa, all of the states. You had to get a ticket, and those tickets were gone every day within one minute.
It was

Speaker 6 like a Taylor Swift concert.

Speaker 3 In court, it was soon apparent that the prosecution would allege a base and very earthly motive for murder.

Speaker 3 Not religion, not end times or angels and demons or dark spirits and zombies, but rather this.

Speaker 13 Money,

Speaker 13 power, and sex.

Speaker 13 That's what this case is about.

Speaker 3 The judge did allow audio recording, and this is Prosecutor Lindsay Blake.

Speaker 13 It didn't matter what obstacle she had to remove to get what she wanted.

Speaker 3 Those obstacles, said the prosecution, were the four people closest to Lori and Chad. Tammy Daybell, Charles Vallow, and Lori's children, JJ and Tylee.

Speaker 3 Prosecutors walked jurors step by step through what they said was Lori and Chad's calculated plan. First, their romance novel love affair that set everything in motion.

Speaker 6 This relationship that's built on a bunch of bizarre principles, but they both seem to be all in on it.

Speaker 3 From the very beginning.

Speaker 6 From the very second they met, that first weekend forward.

Speaker 3 till today.

Speaker 3 They presented page after page of Lori and Chad's text messages to each other about the children and the spouses going dark.

Speaker 3 They showed the jury that text, Lori to Chad, in which she admitted they got rid of Ned, aka the evil spirit that inhabited her husband, Charles.

Speaker 3 Got rid of him. by using Lori's brother, Alex, as trigger man.

Speaker 3 Used Alex for all the murders, said the prosecution.

Speaker 6 We learned through this trial that Alex would do anything for Lori.

Speaker 3 They showed the jury how Alex's phone put him in the time and place where the children were killed and when and where their bodies were buried.

Speaker 3 And the very night Chad's wife, Tammy, died supposedly of natural causes, who was there?

Speaker 6 Alex was in the neighborhood that night.

Speaker 3 Lori and Chad not only wanted to get these inconvenient people out of the way, the prosecutor said, the pair also needed money to fund their new life together.

Speaker 3 Remember how Lori attempted to claim Charles Vallo's life insurance policy?

Speaker 3 Well, the jury heard how Chad did the same for Tammy at the school district where she worked, a mere two days after her death.

Speaker 6 In all the history of the district, they never had somebody come in so quick to find out how to claim the life insurance money. Chad and Lori ended up getting $430,000.

Speaker 3 Lori was even cashing in on her dead children by collecting their social security benefits, something the prosecution suggested she planned ahead of time.

Speaker 6 Before JJ and Tylee died, Lori changed bank account information. The deposits that were going into Tylee's account were suddenly diverted to Lori's account.

Speaker 7 So JJ would be where he's in Arizona.

Speaker 3 Prosecutors also played that recording of Lori talking to police, lying about JJ's whereabouts.

Speaker 22 Who's he with in Arizona?

Speaker 23 He's with one of my friends in Arizona.

Speaker 3 That friend was Melanie Gibb, the one who stayed with Lori right around the time JJ disappeared. Prosecutors played a phone call.
Melanie secretly recorded with Lori.

Speaker 41 If you really love me, you wouldn't have told the police that I had JJ with me. That doesn't look good.
I mean, you had to think of my welfare if you love me.

Speaker 7 I do, and I did exactly what I felt the Lord was instructing me to do.

Speaker 3 The Lord? No.

Speaker 3 Greed and lust, prosecutors argued, motivated Lori.

Speaker 3 And then a woman named Audrey Barretiero took the stand. She had once been part of Lori and Chad's inner circle, and she told the jury what happened when she ended her friendship with Lori.

Speaker 51 She threatened to kill me.

Speaker 6 This testimony, this experience has never been revealed.

Speaker 49 She said

Speaker 49 that she would cut me up, but that she didn't want to have to because it'd be so messy and there'd be

Speaker 49 so much blood

Speaker 49 and the bleach.

Speaker 6 Lori leaned forward on the table and stared at Audrey. She looked over to her attorney and said, I never said that.

Speaker 3 What importance did that have for the prosecution?

Speaker 6 The prosecution, I think, wanted the jurors to hear that Lori was not above killing anyone.

Speaker 3 That included Brandon Boudreaux, the ex-husband of Lori's niece, Melanie. He testified for the prosecution about that attempt on his life, which he believed was orchestrated by Chad and Lori.

Speaker 50 After my shooting, I started to have my beliefs about who I thought did it, and I got concerned about

Speaker 50 the situation.

Speaker 3 One after the other, they appeared. People who once professed to love Lori now had painful stories to tell.
Like Lori's Lori's younger sister, Summer.

Speaker 6 Here's two sisters who were really close growing up, and one's testifying at the other one's murder trial. I love it with all my heart.
It kills me.

Speaker 3 Prosecutors played this phone call, Summer, to Lori in prison, shortly after the children's bodies were discovered.

Speaker 3 Is there another explanation? I'm willing to hear it.

Speaker 3 I don't want to.

Speaker 3 Absolutely, but I can't talk about it.

Speaker 3 You didn't, you would not go away. You were dancing on the beach while your kids are in the ground?

Speaker 6 When I heard it, it was

Speaker 6 a gut punch.

Speaker 6 There is nothing in the scriptures that is godly about hurting a child.

Speaker 6 Nothing.

Speaker 6 Summer is going through every stage of grief. She's furious at Lori.
She's heartbroken that the children are gone. Nobody knows what I've been through with my children that I love more than anything.

Speaker 6 Lori, you were dancing on a beach with a smile on your face, taking wedding photos.

Speaker 6 Yeah, months later,

Speaker 6 you don't really need to go on with life trying to be happy, trying to find some kind of happiness. You think I want to be alone?

Speaker 3 And then there was Lori's only living child, Colby. Once they were as close as two people could be.

Speaker 3 Now?

Speaker 6 He walked in the courtroom. Lori leaned over to her attorneys and said, that's my baby.
And he took the stand and he wouldn't even look at her.

Speaker 9 Mom, you've been shoving DS down my throat for a very long time.

Speaker 3 This is Colby, all grown up now, in this jailhouse call, confronting his mother.

Speaker 9 Pure blasphemy.

Speaker 9 This is funny. You're laughing.

Speaker 9 You don't know what happened.

Speaker 9 Why?

Speaker 9 Why don't I know, mom? Oh, because I was kept in the dark to protect me? You know who needed protecting my little dead siblings? That who needed protecting, mom.

Speaker 3 In that same call, here's what Lori had to say about Tyler and JJ.

Speaker 9 They know exactly what happened,

Speaker 9 and they love me, and we are still together forever. They love me, and they are fine, and they do know the truth, and I know the truth.

Speaker 3 The truth? What is the truth, according to Lori Vallo? As the trial progressed, Laurie kept everyone guessing, even her own lawyers. Would she testify? Would she answer to any of it?

Speaker 6 Everyone walks in the courtroom. What's it going to be? What's it going to be?

Speaker 3 The trial of Laurie Vallow was a catalog of awful moments, moments that shocked even the most hardened.

Speaker 3 To the prosecution, it was a tale of greed and lust, for each other, for power, all wrapped up in invented zealotry.

Speaker 3 You began to doubt the sincerity of this religious fervor of theirs.

Speaker 6 Yes. Yes.
I don't know of any religion that says you can kill people

Speaker 6 and not just kill them, but bury them in the yard like animals.

Speaker 3 What the jury heard about Lori and Chad and Alex was often repulsive, but it was all circumstantial evidence until they got to the forensics.

Speaker 3 A phalanx of medical examiners, investigators, and pathologists came to court to explain the terrible details. Tammy's body had been exhumed during the investigation, bruises still visible.

Speaker 3 Now, medical examiner Dr. Eric Christensen testified that she had not died from some mysterious illness in her sleep.

Speaker 50 They are certainly consistent with someone being restrained

Speaker 50 and would be

Speaker 50 consistent with asphyxia as

Speaker 50 a cause of death.

Speaker 6 She had markings on her upper arms that were consistent with someone holding her down, some bruises.

Speaker 3 Kneeling on either side of her and then choking her.

Speaker 6 Correct, yeah, or smothering her or something.

Speaker 3 Was it Chad, Alex, Lori, who killed her?

Speaker 3 The prosecutor did not say, but maybe didn't have to. Lori was charged only with conspiracy in Tammy's death.

Speaker 3 Then, the children.

Speaker 3 Law enforcement detailed the state in which they found JJ and Tylee.

Speaker 3 Tylee's body, burned and mutilated beyond recognition, impossible to determine cause of death.

Speaker 3 J.J.,

Speaker 3 still dressed in his red pajamas, his head wrapped in plastic, duct tape covered his mouth. The pathologist explained how he died.

Speaker 13 Have you formed an expert opinion concerning the cause of death of J.J.

Speaker 50 Ballow?

Speaker 50 I have. What was that?

Speaker 50 I determined the cause of death to be

Speaker 50 asphyxia

Speaker 50 by a plastic bag over the head and duct tape covering the mouth.

Speaker 3 This gruesome testimony was accompanied by crime scene and autopsy photos. At least one juror wet.

Speaker 3 Lori Vallo

Speaker 3 tried to avoid those photos, even asked to be excused from the courtroom that day.

Speaker 6 And the prosecution fought that vehemently. They said, this is her trial.
If the jury has to see these photos, she should have to see these photos.

Speaker 3 And the judge agreed.

Speaker 6 And so she had to stay there. And during that portion, she was wiping her eyes.
She appeared very upset and she looked down the entire time.

Speaker 3 All of this was too much for JJ's grandfather, Larry Woodcock, who came to court throughout the trial.

Speaker 6 I don't think I'll ever forget hearing Larry Woodcock sobbing as we see a photo of JJ Vallo on the screen.

Speaker 6 It was gut-wrenching.

Speaker 3 None of that physically tied Lori Vallo to the killing

Speaker 3 until weeks into the trial.

Speaker 6 They call this DNA expert and the prosecution says, so you found a hair on the duct tape.

Speaker 3 We did.

Speaker 6 You tested it. What did you find? And I thought it was going to be Alex Cox or J.J.
Vallow's hair.

Speaker 51 The partial DNA profile matched the DNA profile that was provided for Lori Vallo-Daville.

Speaker 3 That, seems to me, was about the only piece of forensic evidence that tied her directly to killing people.

Speaker 6 Yeah, it was the only piece of evidence that we heard in the trial that tied Lori Vallow directly to the deaths of her children.

Speaker 6 There was a whole lot of circumstantial evidence, a whole lot of text messages, a whole lot of back and forth. But as far as the actual dead bodies in his backyard, it was that one hair.

Speaker 3 When it was the defense's turn to present their case. Call a witness or two, something,

Speaker 6 anything, the attorneys asked for a few moments to speak with their client that was the moment is lori going to take the stand the courtroom is cleared they had a private conversation for probably 20 to 30 minutes everyone walks in the courtroom what's it going to be what's it going to be

Speaker 6 the defense stands up and does not say lori will now take the stand instead they say we do not believe the prosecution has proven this case and we rest our case.

Speaker 3 What was her defense team thinking?

Speaker 6 Lori probably could have had a pretty strong defense and blame everything on Chad.

Speaker 6 She could have said that he took advantage of me and I was in a bad place mentally and he encouraged me to go down this route.

Speaker 3 The decision not to do that had been Lori's. She was in charge.

Speaker 6 She told her attorneys what to do. She said, I do not want you going after Chad or Alex.

Speaker 3 But at the 11th hour in closing arguments, Lori's attorneys made a U-turn.

Speaker 50 No one here thinks Lori actually killed anyone.

Speaker 3 They blamed Chad after all. Said Lori was just naive, not a killer.

Speaker 50 She's not leading anyone. She's following Chad.

Speaker 50 She thinks Chad is following Jesus, but he's not.

Speaker 3 Inside the courtroom, Lori grew visibly upset, crying, wiping tears, sources confirming she was furious that her attorney went after Chad.

Speaker 6 She is still madly in love with Chad.

Speaker 3 And then, it was the jury's case.

Speaker 8 We know we'll get a just verdict, a righteous verdict.

Speaker 36 And that's all we have ever asked for in this.

Speaker 3 For seven hours, they deliberated. and then announced they were ready.

Speaker 50 All right, please.

Speaker 3 The judge live-streamed the moment. Lori, appearing almost serene, waited even as her fate was read aloud.
Guilty.

Speaker 3 Guilty of the first-degree murder of her children, Tylie and JJ.

Speaker 7 Guilty.

Speaker 3 And guilty of conspiring to murder Chad's wife, Tammy Daybell.

Speaker 25 This is case CR 22211624, State of Idaho versus Lori Irene Vallow.

Speaker 3 Fremont County case. On July 31st, Lori returned to a courtroom to face sentencing for her crimes and

Speaker 3 the victim's loved ones, including JJ's grandmother, Kay.

Speaker 52 I pray no one ever must deal with this type of circumstance. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.
Today is the day that she will finally be punished for her manipulation, cruelty, and criminal acts.

Speaker 52 She has shown no remorse for the murders, the lying, the deceit, or the pain.

Speaker 3 But then, a surprise, Lori, who had chosen not to take the stand at her trial, rose to speak.

Speaker 43 Jesus knows me,

Speaker 43 and Jesus understands me.

Speaker 53 I mourn with all of you who mourn, my children, and Tammy.

Speaker 3 Now, what did that mean?

Speaker 3 Lori went on, claiming that in fact no one had been murdered, offering, without explanation, that the victims may have died by other means.

Speaker 43 Accidental deaths happen.

Speaker 43 Suicides happen.

Speaker 43 Fatal side effects from medications happen.

Speaker 3 Then this bizarre claim. Lori said that a near-death experience 20 years ago had left her able to communicate with the spirit world, and she'd had visits from all the victims.

Speaker 29 Tylie came to me as a spirit after she died.

Speaker 43 She said, she commanded me and she said to me, stop worrying, mom. The first time JJ visited me after he passed away.

Speaker 43 He put his arm around me and he said to me,

Speaker 43 you didn't do anything wrong, mom.

Speaker 53 I love you. And I know you loved me every minute of my life.

Speaker 43 My eternal friend Tammy Daybell has visited me on several occasions.

Speaker 43 She came to bring me peace and comfort. And I know that she is extremely busy helping her family, especially her children and grandchildren.

Speaker 43 And I look forward to the day when we are all reunited and I, too, will rest with them in the arms of my Jesus.

Speaker 25 Thank you for your comments to the court.

Speaker 3 The judge and most everyone else in the courtroom seemed baffled by Lori's statement and by her attitude.

Speaker 25 And it is the most shocking thing, really, I can imagine is that a mother killed her own children and you simply have no remorse for it. Even sitting here today, there's no remorse for what you did.

Speaker 25 You haven't said you're sorry. You haven't done anything.
to seek leniency from this court.

Speaker 25 You may not believe to this day that you've done anything wrong, and you still may think you're justified by your religious beliefs for what happened here.

Speaker 25 I'm not here to judge that, but I don't believe that any God in any religion would want to have have this happen.

Speaker 3 And then, after a hearing that stretched two and a half hours.

Speaker 25 I am prepared to pronounce sentence. Mr.
Thomas, Mr. Archibald, and the defendant, would you please rise for the pronouncement of sentence?

Speaker 3 came the punishment that most expected.

Speaker 25 You are sentenced to the custody of the State Board of Corrections to serve the maximum allowed sentence of fixed determinate term of life imprisonment with no possibility of parole.

Speaker 3 In the end, the judge handed down multiple life sentences with no chance of parole, meaning that without a successful appeal or a governor's pardon, Lori Vallo will never again breathe free outside prison walls.

Speaker 25 Ms. Valladable,

Speaker 25 you are hereby remanded to the custody of the Sheriff of Fremont County to be delivered to the proper authorities of the Idaho Department of Corrections for execution of this sentence.

Speaker 3 But is it over?

Speaker 3 No, it isn't over. It's far from over.

Speaker 3 It's expected Chad Daybel will be tried next year. He's charged with the murders of the children and his wife, Tammy.
He's pleaded not guilty.

Speaker 3 And more charges are waiting for Laurie in Arizona for conspiracy in the murder of her husband Charles.

Speaker 3 She has told those around her she believes Jesus will come and rescue her from all this.

Speaker 3 She, the goddess with the power to choose death for others, is going to prison, almost certainly for the rest of her very human days.

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