"Für sich einstehen" mit Anastasia Biefang

1h 8m

Anastasia Biefang ist Oberstleutnant bei der Bundeswehr. Vor fast zehn Jahren hatte sie ihr Coming-Out als Transfrau, zu diesem Zeitpunkt war sie 40 Jahre alt.Die Bundeswehr galt lang als hetero und männlich, das ist kein Vorurteil – tatsächlich ist es erst seit 2001 möglich, als Frau und als offen homo- oder transsexuell alle Laufbahnen bei der Bundeswehr einzuschlagen.Heute bezeichnet Anastasia die Bundeswehr als nicht queerfeindlich – aber auch nicht queerfreundlich. Die Abwesenheit von Diskriminierung sei noch lange keine Wertschätzung. Und trotzdem liebt Anastasia ihren Job. Dass sie sich erst so spät geoutet hat, ist auch nicht nur ihrem Job bei der Bundeswehr zuzuschreiben.In dieser Folge spricht Anastasia über ihren langen Weg hin zur Identifizierung als Trans für sich selbst, mangelnde Aufklärung, aber auch Unterstützung die sie erfahren hat. Wie ihr Elternhaus und ihre erste Ehe vor dem Coming-Out sie geprägt haben.Bis hin zu diesem Moment, als sie sich vor ihrem Vorgesetzten als Transfrau bekennt und mitteilt geschlechtsangleichende Maßnahmen ergreifen zu wollen und welchen Wendepunkt diese Situation für ihr Leben bedeutete. Entgegen der großen Erwartung, bedeutet das Coming-Out für Anastasia kein Karriere-Ende. Trotzdem wird sie zum Präzedenzfall für die Prozesse der Bundeswehr, denn vor ihr hatte noch niemand mit so hohem Dienstgrad ein Coming-Out als transident.2019 erhält Anastasia bei der Bundeswehr einen Verweis – wegen einer Beschreibung in ihrem Dating-Profil. Sie beweist ein weiteres Mal Haltung und hat mittlerweile Verfassungsbeschwerde gegen den Verweis eingelegt, die Entscheidung des Bundesverfassungsgerichts ist noch ausstehend.All das in dieser Folge „Dieser eine Moment“. Ein Interview mit Philipp Fleiter und seiner Gästin Anastasia Biefang.Heute engagiert sich Anastasia stark für queeren Aktivismus und Aufklärung. Eines liegt ihr besonders am Herzen: Jeder kann sich outen, in jedem Beruf.

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direct for

the first time.

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case, we had cooked.

For wonder,

not for the

war, and

that was also unfair.

I was

in

the flight that the person of Alice Einhund

and Mussolini also

and

the other people are not.

I would say that it was mentioned that I

was not must

transform Philips.

That is what

they

are hard, and then

you can

see

the moment for

the person who

is afforded.

We would

in the moment.

When you say

inner trips,

I would like to offer

what

I

think

and we get

and also

what

we

have to do is

make it out, but what we have to do is

the fog

at the same time.

in Greece,

do hastily

in

a kind of a little bit.

So, of course, a garnish we

have

three,

you would have

to go and do

three.

That's what we have.

That's what

I'm saying.

Ah, that would be a good idea.

That's what I want to do.

That's

it.

So, when we

say,

my Libra

that we have in London, then

we have

a statement that

we have to do.

And then what

a family.

This is a military family in the

forest, so strange Iraq.

Oh, God, oh god,

I mean, my mother will not say that the military family

or

even that in warden and officials

behaved,

or even

if

That's why the job is

a military,

so

that we can do it.

Yeah,

that's what the cool and that we also

The clinical

contest.

That was not

allowed to

be good in my

own.

I think my

mother

cooked

with Passover.

So nothing nothing

standard to

do.

That's what we have.

I have to

say,

we are also not clicking.

But to

make it so

I

feel

you.

This is

a clear, but I really

reflect or

SF.

That I think

we should have to do.

The mission is

but I

was a kind of person.

That's what I had to do with

sexuality

that

we had.

And then

I have a group of people

in the world, then what moment I

have to play with?

I

And if we

were to do something

good and

that

we had

to good,

but in the

field that

must be.

the echo comes, I would say,

I would not

say it.

What

we

have to do is

also

hungry, but in my

world, that is, then we

aspect of

normal habits,

but that was a clearance,

but I

can't

remember

the water that

we are.

I have been transferred.

So, what

is it?

But that's what I

stand standard that in the site with

consumer clearance,

I feel like

that also

begins to

be

so familiar

with

it.

I

think use Aglipanicha.

And I think

Philip Donahue,

the Hans Meiser, from NBC,

and the GAAP

Zeno talks about

the

Hispanic

Wears My Clothes and

the Marshall.

And that's my mental health,

but

you had to

your partner,

but we cost

transvestite and

can

link.

But when you talk show,

that is a reaction, and what

I can do,

these

are

my damn

food and wider

dimensions,

and the reaction dimension is not in public.

So, what am I doing?

The FIMIC

and the

normal ODA in

the inner

reaction is

a family,

and that

partnership,

the advice,

but

a

And then what reacts in public comments or

midlight is freak.

And

this

midlight and freak

and

what

feels.

But that's why

the antenna

says, oh, and that's what

we have to do.

mama, the last place,

and

okay, then we have to mention that it's a heimness.

And that's what we can say

when

we

have

a lot of people who are going to be able to

do it.

I told you, I would say,

I wasn't

sure

what

in the reality than even the site,

but it

When we mentioned

the nicht

water, or when we

were

told that psychology

is an inevitable

mechanism, the

psychological analytical

pretty much.

with

the same.

Kuswasch is

also a positive mechanism, and it is better.

Language

is about not the

same, therefore,

anastasia.

But

the

negative consequences.

Transmens and in fact,

from

the city of the world, studios,

the

premier

wins, authors, and

the family, social degesels, with

the

inspiration of Heufich, depression, and angstrom,

and that evening.

Anastasia

under mug

within the fuel

drink.

I had to

read

that for the fuel

orders okay, and that is not the

same.

And we

all often

communicate.

And

then you can see that.

That we have

to

the internet now,

that's

what we have to Google can

be.

Nine, I

think,

but

that was

not

the same.

And that's not true.

I would not

I think that

I have a new

year and

a half or the freak in glitzer fummel.

When you

are

prominent,

nothing

is the

And I think not to say

that

orientation

in this

way.

So, we have a fall and

the deformed orientation of the gap.

And the other

thing

in

a way,

or the

channel was a transition.

Then,

this water was

the Leiden Stroke,

the transparent

physician.

That is more

Leidenstroke, whatever.

And when we

go and

see

the clinic, we can

see on the fraud.

I

think

that

And this is what

happened.

What is the best?

I think

I can

forward it now.

That is

the fashion.

And

also,

what what is immersion?

Yeah,

I think it's not so much.

I have a

warden, and it's my

woman,

I think here,

and

that's that.

And then

I speak of Dinner, Fraugeward, is another

studio, a Bundesworth University, university

party when we go to the country, you know, also studio

and

the body.

We

have a lot of

heightened.

Yeah, also

my explanation.

I was

also

reflecting

that

relatively fruit.

I mean, we want to

drive the official Susam.

When we were in a person,

the flag also.

But that wall,

we

are in in the middle of the name, we have

to.

And

yeah,

we

had the

Xine OK,

it's not a phone,

but that's all

that kind of

thing.

So that was the room, but

the phones

were also.

And that also,

means.

And yeah.

Nine

and that way and the mind that

you have.

But

I think I

have

to

finish it.

But

I think in the

I have a

five.

Nichten,

I think explicitly a moment

operates

and

point nine that

needs to

be when the

site also

I

would function

with

5000 factors

and

depression, but also

coming out of 2000,

the

colours

of

the music.

Also, when I first

name

it,

I can't really

say that.

I had also

built

by design, so superhero in Mesa, tax

fraud, kind of

like

and Fascination,

I mean,

that

Zoofield,

with the

author, would not

have a bundle with the transition.

The hatred

and

the sound that

we have to do is

And that

functions

are good in

the market.

And when I

say

good career, what

is

the

IT official,

stabilizer, and then referendum in Bundesliga for

a job by the Bundeswehr?

Philip

And I think

that also

has

an anger where I optimize good

when

queer mention in the Bundesler would

be positive.

That's not my fragment, so we

can't.

So, I tell you,

queer friends.

So, as I studied,

And

what

I

mean by

the studio,

that's

why

a solid

And I wish and the

slide

and herself and

all that

is

mentioned.

And this is

okay, I can't say that

much of it.

So that wouldn't

be

And we

are active or speaking,

you discriminate.

So, and that is an umfeld because

of the discrimination,

compiler

bundles

homogeneous heterosexual

testosterone,

yeah.

So, the future inner

warming

that I privately

bundles

here, so my build is that

from stereotypes and cliches,

but not anastasia,

that

is not the same.

I know

homosexuality, so

it is not a very important thing.

That is why

Immazo immigrants.

Homosexual men would

center discriminate and

2000 and that is also

homosexual mention in the Bundesler Aufgham.

So, no normal

homosexuality in the Bundeswehr won.

Forbidden.

So, for

homosexuals,

we refer to

it.

And when we

go and feel

in all the bonuses,

a military music diplomat odor in sanitized diet.

The heists anastasia had irregular garnices and therefore machines

when they

were out.

Then he

was a very good person

fest and I

was

going to say

that it is interesting in this

way that

you have to do it.

Yeah, you know, that's how I can

also

see it.

That was more

spasmacht, they had

only

one.

That is is also

a tactic of the next scenario,

or good club,

but not

good.

And if you were 200,

so there were

immersive

Zach.

And that's why I have 2009

a little bit,

and and

transition process with

it, I mean,

I had to

mention

it.

But I also

want to say

that we

have the world

and

I

think better.

I think the photos are

season.

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And

then

Zwayer

combines this

coming out.

That is

is in that side,

what they

are, or the ungluckless.

A person can go

and

make

it a little and

what

interested.

A person

had

learned

that a way to positively

interact with me.

And

that's what they feel, that they are positive.

So we have a

lot of

things, but

then

that that's what

safely.

So, what you forbid

and then

go back,

and that was

a positive connection to the motion.

And that's what

this

is.

I

was

a fluke, but we did not brazen

it.

But

I don't know what to do.

Nine, but I would also

say.

really

twelve and then drops.

And the analogy and

the other one, and so

I have to

say, and then what we have crystal clear, the Spinnish, Habs Gesag,

that my fauna

and all Ananzo hurts.

I think I have three

complete warnings.

And then what kind of angst?

But I shouldn't

have

to say,

I have

to say

plants, whatever.

But

I think that

functions that

fuel

it.

And I think

weld,

that's what it is.

And

I think we also

have

I think it is

transmission

and

transition or the practice of English also

meditation,

so a hormone therapy or

a

operation,

then we

have a glitter of pseudo therapy.

A therapoid therapoid or a therapoid, and then also optical

masks.

And optical

costs

that

are under.

For the most transmission, is that also the

enamel and that

in auspices document office ended with

the same thing?

The asthma simpler bureaucratic is about

crafted and costly intensive costs.

Not

in Deutsche that so much transsexual gazette,

that transmension

and for

good.

What

a heroic

and word.

Transmenschen Mussen Zwei

Good for

Person in Passover.

This

Langwirich and tele and the fragment that we

have, but in

the

mass of the

Monatz order,

a manner

of

system

that is in a sexual rich,

also sexual fantasy, and hobbies

with

lengthening stereotype.

A crichter with with the good

optimon work

transidentist and optical.

Now, if you have

a better perspective than in these

stages, that

is November 2002

in Kraft,

that

is transliggen and non-winner person, even

if you have a lot of people who are not able to

stands

and

a self-steady.

Anastasia

from the news, together, and

we have

to

stand up for the grossness of the

function,

this one moment in the

foregesettes.

How does the angst for

him that

function?

What

kind of builder?

That's what it is.

It's not

like

functions

where

it is not.

Skap transcription

forms,

and that feels

like

it's not a very important thing.

And then for the hint, and

that when you

start.

When you

build Andersburg,

okay,

Dafgen Fraundi is

not going to be able to do

that because

we can.

But

in demonstration of Plan B, when you

plan B.

That's

a plan, but we have

to

function.

And then that's the

function

and that all right

after

a while.

But it's

not the good camera that

we have 3000,

then in

fact,

I would

super good.

And there

are 5000,

so that's my

goodness, but

that

would be

good for

Kayer.

So, and that's not

500.

That's why

the minor hat that

feels like that is not the chair.

So,

this leap has to do with this trade,

has to do with this.

And I had to

say.

We are

going to

be able to do that.

So, we can see it, I have to say,

I

think it is

too complicated.

It is not the reality of transition, so

the profit is

hard, or they offer their heart.

I had to look this by

relative.

It also

had a negative angle that

was

not a very good thing.

I have

to go and share

it.

I would also

say, yeah, I had a dinner

relative

to

the system

that

we offer

systems

and video with the system.

And that we have

good, but I wish you

can't do it.

I don't

How do you get

that

we can do?

Yeah, and then come towards a lot of people.

And be aware of what

we

can do.

And

if you

I

could do.

I think that span points

are

also

available that

I can

control,

but nothing.

I would say that

it's one of the brackets and

become a remote.

So, I can't believe it.

But we

have to do it.

So, this is the device.

And what we do

is

I

have

what?

So

what?

That's not good.

So you

can bring a lot of width.

Commonly, not coming out in the job, that is

the state of the

world

can't

be

aware, and what is

it?

And that was that.

So, in the past,

that individual

orders

In my field, but

that thing

with a

hormone therapy, that isn't my policy testosterone, so much austrogenerine, and we have

a testosterone blocker, that

is a co-perfect, and

the passive hormones, but

that

will

be the

opinion.

not it, so a mending,

a wagon

or social neurosteum.

That's a major

hormone therapy

and

the brain.

That's what

2000 zips are.

After

2000 zips,

and

the

hormone band.

And I can't say

in September 2000.

So that we have a hormone,

so the target is not

great.

That's why we have no

coming out.

And

then also,

this is

the hager box and make up experiment.

That's why

now we

have the homonymatic test.

But if you don't know and

you can't do it, that's the first

time that expectation management

checkbox infrared

in the mid-bringer.

So, I think

it's a general break,

yet not small

hormone.

This is by Fraud Summer, with tests and

stars

that Christmas.

And that's what

I

mean.

And then this is the

first thing in which we

have a

warning role built on Fraud

and when

Facebook

is

all about it, I think,

and

my wall, and

you can build

a stereotype.

And we're going to have to paste and

die.

Yeah, I think a

span of

jobs in Afghanistan

is recharged.

So, I'm not for and aimed at

the transition.

So, that

land wasn't

in critical.

gang.

I have

seen

in Vorfeld with

intercultural spirits a

male

for the

hat,

and

that

I

think

that myself

And after

Europe also in a

wagon or

something like that,

we have a function,

And so I can't be authentic.

That's good.

I have discrimination for the multinational partners.

I wish not to

offer it.

have

a trouble.

So, if you

don't

know that,

and that was

sprained by Afghanistan,

I think we had

to

wait

for

NATO and that.

So, I think

we have a friend,

that

is reasoning.

is here,

that's why

we're going to be able to do it.

I have to

go

to

the wide distance

and then

I will go and also ungrade.

And then

you

can don't

have to be here.

And then we have

to

be

a little bit more.

Yeah, but it's a fraud thing.

And then we have to have a hotel

and

get pistols in the schools.

The

moment we have

a

we do

is

with an Afghanistan journalist modern.

And that's

why

people

are

in the influence of the alleged

fruits.

That

gender

and

what

we do is that you can't do it.

That's why

you have

the strict

dating app or even a dating app,

Tinder, you know, when you're talking about it,

we're going to

identify

it.

And

this one is

connected.

What cluster has

it?

I think

it's

a very good thing.

And this is what

it's often.

And that's

all.

Oh, yeah, yeah, I'm good.

That's what

I mean

that also, but that's

why I'm

not sure.

Yeah,

that's my name for Biden.

That is also

and

in Berlin, so

you can see it.

Berlin

here,

but Imre.

And that would

be non-supported,

so a

week and so on, and we're going to

profiles.

Correct.

So,

trans

all genders welcome.

But

it's not in the dating app.

And Anastasia,

And often building in civil society.

That is why

it is kind of uniform.

And that text

2009,

but

it's not a very important thing.

And that's why we're

an

opposition, but the text

relatively,

I would say partnership,

so

I have a

variant

for my gig.

I think

I have a screenshot of

the war and then we can

to do it.

And my favorite

thing is that in the

Fury Putnam we had

nothing

to do that

also

and also a

functional focus that in the functional spin then also

minor interpretations

from monogamous activity

and

discrimination.

But that's

a moral fashion,

but morality

is right

now.

But

the

fact that

other thing is that you can't do it.

Yeah, but I mean, it's also

a job, and that

solders also

finished blood, but my goddamn issue, or

not.

Yes, I think

I

would

say

discriminate

community

at what

I say is

And

when

I

say that can be

kind of

compliant,

you

can

see

the Hamburger.

But

that's the main level, and then

the context of Korean.

And it's kind of

a little bit

inside the

person,

Dutch,

and

my niche traumatic

fear, even

though it is a problem,

and that also

can be

a tiny profile in heterosexual systems,

that we have been in

sex, what is

it?

Das that problem?

I mean, I would say that

you can mention a screenshot of

it, and that was a roof.

I can't

be

allowed to

protect

and

all

that.

I

think that's interesting:

the transition that

we have

existence for

a political and

universal authenticity, I think that I think that awesome

social

offering,

proactions

for

you.

Yeah, but

this is

what you have to do.

That total

is also

a local rule.

And I also

think that I

have an ego trip

to transient dimensions,

and also

what the original

is.

So I

And then we can

see, and

the brain

and stern

machine.

So, that's my method, but even from PowerPoint and Halton,

Berlin, we have

all this.

That means a lot of

the time, what

we have, and this is

the project.

And you can I

think from Leibniz, from Schlech, from Mannon Frau Eubert, Pastor Nicholas, and

Alles, and

Keinar, whatever.

But that

works

not

only

that transmission,

or that the end of the restaurant

is

not

the problem.

or not and that we have

angst and that

would be comfortable and

then

even

conservative crisis, but they

was what I

was saying.

So, you have a discussion,

but also transmission rebuttals,

not laud and

even

allies that

we have.

I mean, the query mention

cannot

be in the

identities of politics

in social networks.

And when we

wouldn't.

So,

but

that's also a queer bewilderment.

So, what we are doing is

a very fine

queer anger.

And we have

a field, we have

queer mentioned in the bunch of civil militaries,

and also.

And we

started told

me that

negative feelings

and

centers

now in the army.

And that's a bit 300,

and

that's 300,

300,

the forces.

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that

focuses on the Bundeswehr.

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are good

at

it.

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nice, but for all these.

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but

it's Alice Neville here.

What

Alice Mach.

What is

a personages with

struggle for

warden that you

have to read?

What

are you doing?

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what

I was saying.

Do you think

this is

what we have.

That must be

a very important thing that

we have in

the woman.

That was great.

And that was a very important thing.

So,

if we

have an inner

channel,

you can go to the bottom of the best

line.

And that's what we're talking about, and I think

that's

even

worse.

And

that's not a

name,

but it's

the most dual mention

that.

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be in the auspices.

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have

these moments

with me, and feel under momentum.

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happy, that

master

and that's a podcast.

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it is

not

an offer, you know,

that you feel a lot more.

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and

minimize

podcasts and

this is

not

the time to do

this

for other men

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best

and

anastasia and also

the same thing.

Philip,

I

think,

what my anastasia direct

is that she

is.

So she

is

willing and what?

And what is and yet what we can do

and

straight up and that's what we're doing.

I

think

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queer transfer

order is

gone

and through

a

little bit

of discrimination

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we are

not

English in the world with

the same thing.

And

what is the village, or whatever,

if you have

auchenberg, so

that's the same thing.

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coming in Nord Iraq.

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world.

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was in this

world and for

the Deutschland.

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is of kindness for past pastebondrokefrau.

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have

a word.

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we can

also

use podcast comments in this einemoment that

we have a little bit of a mail and this

is a very important.

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