"Für sich einstehen" mit Anastasia Biefang
Anastasia Biefang ist Oberstleutnant bei der Bundeswehr. Vor fast zehn Jahren hatte sie ihr Coming-Out als Transfrau, zu diesem Zeitpunkt war sie 40 Jahre alt.Die Bundeswehr galt lang als hetero und männlich, das ist kein Vorurteil – tatsächlich ist es erst seit 2001 möglich, als Frau und als offen homo- oder transsexuell alle Laufbahnen bei der Bundeswehr einzuschlagen.Heute bezeichnet Anastasia die Bundeswehr als nicht queerfeindlich – aber auch nicht queerfreundlich. Die Abwesenheit von Diskriminierung sei noch lange keine Wertschätzung. Und trotzdem liebt Anastasia ihren Job. Dass sie sich erst so spät geoutet hat, ist auch nicht nur ihrem Job bei der Bundeswehr zuzuschreiben.In dieser Folge spricht Anastasia über ihren langen Weg hin zur Identifizierung als Trans für sich selbst, mangelnde Aufklärung, aber auch Unterstützung die sie erfahren hat. Wie ihr Elternhaus und ihre erste Ehe vor dem Coming-Out sie geprägt haben.Bis hin zu diesem Moment, als sie sich vor ihrem Vorgesetzten als Transfrau bekennt und mitteilt geschlechtsangleichende Maßnahmen ergreifen zu wollen und welchen Wendepunkt diese Situation für ihr Leben bedeutete. Entgegen der großen Erwartung, bedeutet das Coming-Out für Anastasia kein Karriere-Ende. Trotzdem wird sie zum Präzedenzfall für die Prozesse der Bundeswehr, denn vor ihr hatte noch niemand mit so hohem Dienstgrad ein Coming-Out als transident.2019 erhält Anastasia bei der Bundeswehr einen Verweis – wegen einer Beschreibung in ihrem Dating-Profil. Sie beweist ein weiteres Mal Haltung und hat mittlerweile Verfassungsbeschwerde gegen den Verweis eingelegt, die Entscheidung des Bundesverfassungsgerichts ist noch ausstehend.All das in dieser Folge „Dieser eine Moment“. Ein Interview mit Philipp Fleiter und seiner Gästin Anastasia Biefang.Heute engagiert sich Anastasia stark für queeren Aktivismus und Aufklärung. Eines liegt ihr besonders am Herzen: Jeder kann sich outen, in jedem Beruf.
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pomonotherapy nearby and
transcending and influencing the alleys.
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it is
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little bit
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simple,
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are guns,
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complete,
author, acknowledged, a wimplak, and sternach, best alles and a song.
Ichben Philip, and Ichtrefer and this podcast mentioned
now, this moment
the early
days.
Hello, and Herzlicham, so this
is a
podcaster, journalist, and auto, and I
have guns and
mentioned
the
immerse.
So, we have gunsfield,
and Irish,
is
that what we
have to do with
the people and
the people who are in the world?
Anastasia is Oberloid, and similarly hosts here by the Bundeswehr, and Anastasia is a transfrau.
troublesome and
for all
this
moment for
the moment
with
the men.
Hello, and Herzegovina, Lieba Anastasia, the
house for this interview.
Glacier begins to
direct for
the first time.
This is a function of sin, to begin, and has just
case, we had cooked.
For wonder,
not for the
war, and
that was also unfair.
I was
in
the flight that the person of Alice Einhund
and Mussolini also
and
the other people are not.
I would say that it was mentioned that I
was not must
transform Philips.
That is what
they
are hard, and then
you can
see
the moment for
the person who
is afforded.
We would
in the moment.
When you say
inner trips,
I would like to offer
what
I
think
and we get
and also
what
we
have to do is
make it out, but what we have to do is
the fog
at the same time.
in Greece,
do hastily
in
a kind of a little bit.
So, of course, a garnish we
have
three,
you would have
to go and do
three.
That's what we have.
That's what
I'm saying.
Ah, that would be a good idea.
That's what I want to do.
That's
it.
So, when we
say,
my Libra
that we have in London, then
we have
a statement that
we have to do.
And then what
a family.
This is a military family in the
forest, so strange Iraq.
Oh, God, oh god,
I mean, my mother will not say that the military family
or
even that in warden and officials
behaved,
or even
if
That's why the job is
a military,
so
that we can do it.
Yeah,
that's what the cool and that we also
The clinical
contest.
That was not
allowed to
be good in my
own.
I think my
mother
cooked
with Passover.
So nothing nothing
standard to
do.
That's what we have.
I have to
say,
we are also not clicking.
But to
make it so
I
feel
you.
This is
a clear, but I really
reflect or
SF.
That I think
we should have to do.
The mission is
but I
was a kind of person.
That's what I had to do with
sexuality
that
we had.
And then
I have a group of people
in the world, then what moment I
have to play with?
I
And if we
were to do something
good and
that
we had
to good,
but in the
field that
must be.
the echo comes, I would say,
I would not
say it.
What
we
have to do is
also
hungry, but in my
world, that is, then we
aspect of
normal habits,
but that was a clearance,
but I
can't
remember
the water that
we are.
I have been transferred.
So, what
is it?
But that's what I
stand standard that in the site with
consumer clearance,
I feel like
that also
begins to
be
so familiar
with
it.
I
think use Aglipanicha.
And I think
Philip Donahue,
the Hans Meiser, from NBC,
and the GAAP
Zeno talks about
the
Hispanic
Wears My Clothes and
the Marshall.
And that's my mental health,
but
you had to
your partner,
but we cost
transvestite and
can
link.
But when you talk show,
that is a reaction, and what
I can do,
these
are
my damn
food and wider
dimensions,
and the reaction dimension is not in public.
So, what am I doing?
The FIMIC
and the
normal ODA in
the inner
reaction is
a family,
and that
partnership,
the advice,
but
a
And then what reacts in public comments or
midlight is freak.
And
this
midlight and freak
and
what
feels.
But that's why
the antenna
says, oh, and that's what
we have to do.
mama, the last place,
and
okay, then we have to mention that it's a heimness.
And that's what we can say
when
we
have
a lot of people who are going to be able to
do it.
I told you, I would say,
I wasn't
sure
what
in the reality than even the site,
but it
When we mentioned
the nicht
water, or when we
were
told that psychology
is an inevitable
mechanism, the
psychological analytical
pretty much.
with
the same.
Kuswasch is
also a positive mechanism, and it is better.
Language
is about not the
same, therefore,
anastasia.
But
the
negative consequences.
Transmens and in fact,
from
the city of the world, studios,
the
premier
wins, authors, and
the family, social degesels, with
the
inspiration of Heufich, depression, and angstrom,
and that evening.
Anastasia
under mug
within the fuel
drink.
I had to
read
that for the fuel
orders okay, and that is not the
same.
And we
all often
communicate.
And
then you can see that.
That we have
to
the internet now,
that's
what we have to Google can
be.
Nine, I
think,
but
that was
not
the same.
And that's not true.
I would not
I think that
I have a new
year and
a half or the freak in glitzer fummel.
When you
are
prominent,
nothing
is the
And I think not to say
that
orientation
in this
way.
So, we have a fall and
the deformed orientation of the gap.
And the other
thing
in
a way,
or the
channel was a transition.
Then,
this water was
the Leiden Stroke,
the transparent
physician.
That is more
Leidenstroke, whatever.
And when we
go and
see
the clinic, we can
see on the fraud.
I
think
that
And this is what
happened.
What is the best?
I think
I can
forward it now.
That is
the fashion.
And
also,
what what is immersion?
Yeah,
I think it's not so much.
I have a
warden, and it's my
woman,
I think here,
and
that's that.
And then
I speak of Dinner, Fraugeward, is another
studio, a Bundesworth University, university
party when we go to the country, you know, also studio
and
the body.
We
have a lot of
heightened.
Yeah, also
my explanation.
I was
also
reflecting
that
relatively fruit.
I mean, we want to
drive the official Susam.
When we were in a person,
the flag also.
But that wall,
we
are in in the middle of the name, we have
to.
And
yeah,
we
had the
Xine OK,
it's not a phone,
but that's all
that kind of
thing.
So that was the room, but
the phones
were also.
And that also,
means.
And yeah.
Nine
and that way and the mind that
you have.
But
I think I
have
to
finish it.
But
I think in the
I have a
five.
Nichten,
I think explicitly a moment
operates
and
point nine that
needs to
be when the
site also
I
would function
with
5000 factors
and
depression, but also
coming out of 2000,
the
colours
of
the music.
Also, when I first
name
it,
I can't really
say that.
I had also
built
by design, so superhero in Mesa, tax
fraud, kind of
like
and Fascination,
I mean,
that
Zoofield,
with the
author, would not
have a bundle with the transition.
The hatred
and
the sound that
we have to do is
And that
functions
are good in
the market.
And when I
say
good career, what
is
the
IT official,
stabilizer, and then referendum in Bundesliga for
a job by the Bundeswehr?
Philip
And I think
that also
has
an anger where I optimize good
when
queer mention in the Bundesler would
be positive.
That's not my fragment, so we
can't.
So, I tell you,
queer friends.
So, as I studied,
And
what
I
mean by
the studio,
that's
why
a solid
And I wish and the
slide
and herself and
all that
is
mentioned.
And this is
okay, I can't say that
much of it.
So that wouldn't
be
And we
are active or speaking,
you discriminate.
So, and that is an umfeld because
of the discrimination,
compiler
bundles
homogeneous heterosexual
testosterone,
yeah.
So, the future inner
warming
that I privately
bundles
here, so my build is that
from stereotypes and cliches,
but not anastasia,
that
is not the same.
I know
homosexuality, so
it is not a very important thing.
That is why
Immazo immigrants.
Homosexual men would
center discriminate and
2000 and that is also
homosexual mention in the Bundesler Aufgham.
So, no normal
homosexuality in the Bundeswehr won.
Forbidden.
So, for
homosexuals,
we refer to
it.
And when we
go and feel
in all the bonuses,
a military music diplomat odor in sanitized diet.
The heists anastasia had irregular garnices and therefore machines
when they
were out.
Then he
was a very good person
fest and I
was
going to say
that it is interesting in this
way that
you have to do it.
Yeah, you know, that's how I can
also
see it.
That was more
spasmacht, they had
only
one.
That is is also
a tactic of the next scenario,
or good club,
but not
good.
And if you were 200,
so there were
immersive
Zach.
And that's why I have 2009
a little bit,
and and
transition process with
it, I mean,
I had to
mention
it.
But I also
want to say
that we
have the world
and
I
think better.
I think the photos are
season.
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And
then
Zwayer
combines this
coming out.
That is
is in that side,
what they
are, or the ungluckless.
A person can go
and
make
it a little and
what
interested.
A person
had
learned
that a way to positively
interact with me.
And
that's what they feel, that they are positive.
So we have a
lot of
things, but
then
that that's what
safely.
So, what you forbid
and then
go back,
and that was
a positive connection to the motion.
And that's what
this
is.
I
was
a fluke, but we did not brazen
it.
But
I don't know what to do.
Nine, but I would also
say.
really
twelve and then drops.
And the analogy and
the other one, and so
I have to
say, and then what we have crystal clear, the Spinnish, Habs Gesag,
that my fauna
and all Ananzo hurts.
I think I have three
complete warnings.
And then what kind of angst?
But I shouldn't
have
to say,
I have
to say
plants, whatever.
But
I think that
functions that
fuel
it.
And I think
weld,
that's what it is.
And
I think we also
have
I think it is
transmission
and
transition or the practice of English also
meditation,
so a hormone therapy or
a
operation,
then we
have a glitter of pseudo therapy.
A therapoid therapoid or a therapoid, and then also optical
masks.
And optical
costs
that
are under.
For the most transmission, is that also the
enamel and that
in auspices document office ended with
the same thing?
The asthma simpler bureaucratic is about
crafted and costly intensive costs.
Not
in Deutsche that so much transsexual gazette,
that transmension
and for
good.
What
a heroic
and word.
Transmenschen Mussen Zwei
Good for
Person in Passover.
This
Langwirich and tele and the fragment that we
have, but in
the
mass of the
Monatz order,
a manner
of
system
that is in a sexual rich,
also sexual fantasy, and hobbies
with
lengthening stereotype.
A crichter with with the good
optimon work
transidentist and optical.
Now, if you have
a better perspective than in these
stages, that
is November 2002
in Kraft,
that
is transliggen and non-winner person, even
if you have a lot of people who are not able to
stands
and
a self-steady.
Anastasia
from the news, together, and
we have
to
stand up for the grossness of the
function,
this one moment in the
foregesettes.
How does the angst for
him that
function?
What
kind of builder?
That's what it is.
It's not
like
functions
where
it is not.
Skap transcription
forms,
and that feels
like
it's not a very important thing.
And then for the hint, and
that when you
start.
When you
build Andersburg,
okay,
Dafgen Fraundi is
not going to be able to do
that because
we can.
But
in demonstration of Plan B, when you
plan B.
That's
a plan, but we have
to
function.
And then that's the
function
and that all right
after
a while.
But it's
not the good camera that
we have 3000,
then in
fact,
I would
super good.
And there
are 5000,
so that's my
goodness, but
that
would be
good for
Kayer.
So, and that's not
500.
That's why
the minor hat that
feels like that is not the chair.
So,
this leap has to do with this trade,
has to do with this.
And I had to
say.
We are
going to
be able to do that.
So, we can see it, I have to say,
I
think it is
too complicated.
It is not the reality of transition, so
the profit is
hard, or they offer their heart.
I had to look this by
relative.
It also
had a negative angle that
was
not a very good thing.
I have
to go and share
it.
I would also
say, yeah, I had a dinner
relative
to
the system
that
we offer
systems
and video with the system.
And that we have
good, but I wish you
can't do it.
I don't
How do you get
that
we can do?
Yeah, and then come towards a lot of people.
And be aware of what
we
can do.
And
if you
I
could do.
I think that span points
are
also
available that
I can
control,
but nothing.
I would say that
it's one of the brackets and
become a remote.
So, I can't believe it.
But we
have to do it.
So, this is the device.
And what we do
is
I
have
what?
So
what?
That's not good.
So you
can bring a lot of width.
Commonly, not coming out in the job, that is
the state of the
world
can't
be
aware, and what is
it?
And that was that.
So, in the past,
that individual
orders
In my field, but
that thing
with a
hormone therapy, that isn't my policy testosterone, so much austrogenerine, and we have
a testosterone blocker, that
is a co-perfect, and
the passive hormones, but
that
will
be the
opinion.
not it, so a mending,
a wagon
or social neurosteum.
That's a major
hormone therapy
and
the brain.
That's what
2000 zips are.
After
2000 zips,
and
the
hormone band.
And I can't say
in September 2000.
So that we have a hormone,
so the target is not
great.
That's why we have no
coming out.
And
then also,
this is
the hager box and make up experiment.
That's why
now we
have the homonymatic test.
But if you don't know and
you can't do it, that's the first
time that expectation management
checkbox infrared
in the mid-bringer.
So, I think
it's a general break,
yet not small
hormone.
This is by Fraud Summer, with tests and
stars
that Christmas.
And that's what
I
mean.
And then this is the
first thing in which we
have a
warning role built on Fraud
and when
is
all about it, I think,
and
my wall, and
you can build
a stereotype.
And we're going to have to paste and
die.
Yeah, I think a
span of
jobs in Afghanistan
is recharged.
So, I'm not for and aimed at
the transition.
So, that
land wasn't
in critical.
gang.
I have
seen
in Vorfeld with
intercultural spirits a
male
for the
hat,
and
that
I
think
that myself
And after
Europe also in a
wagon or
something like that,
we have a function,
And so I can't be authentic.
That's good.
I have discrimination for the multinational partners.
I wish not to
offer it.
have
a trouble.
So, if you
don't
know that,
and that was
sprained by Afghanistan,
I think we had
to
wait
for
NATO and that.
So, I think
we have a friend,
that
is reasoning.
is here,
that's why
we're going to be able to do it.
I have to
go
to
the wide distance
and then
I will go and also ungrade.
And then
you
can don't
have to be here.
And then we have
to
be
a little bit more.
Yeah, but it's a fraud thing.
And then we have to have a hotel
and
get pistols in the schools.
The
moment we have
a
we do
is
with an Afghanistan journalist modern.
And that's
why
people
are
in the influence of the alleged
fruits.
That
gender
and
what
we do is that you can't do it.
That's why
you have
the strict
dating app or even a dating app,
Tinder, you know, when you're talking about it,
we're going to
identify
it.
And
this one is
connected.
What cluster has
it?
I think
it's
a very good thing.
And this is what
it's often.
And that's
all.
Oh, yeah, yeah, I'm good.
That's what
I mean
that also, but that's
why I'm
not sure.
Yeah,
that's my name for Biden.
That is also
and
in Berlin, so
you can see it.
Berlin
here,
but Imre.
And that would
be non-supported,
so a
week and so on, and we're going to
profiles.
Correct.
So,
trans
all genders welcome.
But
it's not in the dating app.
And Anastasia,
And often building in civil society.
That is why
it is kind of uniform.
And that text
2009,
but
it's not a very important thing.
And that's why we're
an
opposition, but the text
relatively,
I would say partnership,
so
I have a
variant
for my gig.
I think
I have a screenshot of
the war and then we can
to do it.
And my favorite
thing is that in the
Fury Putnam we had
nothing
to do that
also
and also a
functional focus that in the functional spin then also
minor interpretations
from monogamous activity
and
discrimination.
But that's
a moral fashion,
but morality
is right
now.
But
the
fact that
other thing is that you can't do it.
Yeah, but I mean, it's also
a job, and that
solders also
finished blood, but my goddamn issue, or
not.
Yes, I think
I
would
say
discriminate
community
at what
I say is
And
when
I
say that can be
kind of
compliant,
you
can
see
the Hamburger.
But
that's the main level, and then
the context of Korean.
And it's kind of
a little bit
inside the
person,
Dutch,
and
my niche traumatic
fear, even
though it is a problem,
and that also
can be
a tiny profile in heterosexual systems,
that we have been in
sex, what is
it?
Das that problem?
I mean, I would say that
you can mention a screenshot of
it, and that was a roof.
I can't
be
allowed to
protect
and
all
that.
I
think that's interesting:
the transition that
we have
existence for
a political and
universal authenticity, I think that I think that awesome
social
offering,
proactions
for
you.
Yeah, but
this is
what you have to do.
That total
is also
a local rule.
And I also
think that I
have an ego trip
to transient dimensions,
and also
what the original
is.
So I
And then we can
see, and
the brain
and stern
machine.
So, that's my method, but even from PowerPoint and Halton,
Berlin, we have
all this.
That means a lot of
the time, what
we have, and this is
the project.
And you can I
think from Leibniz, from Schlech, from Mannon Frau Eubert, Pastor Nicholas, and
Alles, and
Keinar, whatever.
But that
works
not
only
that transmission,
or that the end of the restaurant
is
not
the problem.
or not and that we have
angst and that
would be comfortable and
then
even
conservative crisis, but they
was what I
was saying.
So, you have a discussion,
but also transmission rebuttals,
not laud and
even
allies that
we have.
I mean, the query mention
cannot
be in the
identities of politics
in social networks.
And when we
wouldn't.
So,
but
that's also a queer bewilderment.
So, what we are doing is
a very fine
queer anger.
And we have
a field, we have
queer mentioned in the bunch of civil militaries,
and also.
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started told
me that
negative feelings
and
centers
now in the army.
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and
that's 300,
300,
the forces.
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that
focuses on the Bundeswehr.
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are good
at
it.
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nice, but for all these.
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but
it's Alice Neville here.
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Alice Mach.
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a personages with
struggle for
warden that you
have to read?
What
are you doing?
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what
I was saying.
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this is
what we have.
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a very important thing that
we have in
the woman.
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And that was a very important thing.
So,
if we
have an inner
channel,
you can go to the bottom of the best
line.
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that's
even
worse.
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that's not a
name,
but it's
the most dual mention
that.
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be in the auspices.
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have
these moments
with me, and feel under momentum.
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happy, that
master
and that's a podcast.
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it is
not
an offer, you know,
that you feel a lot more.
That we need to resource
and
minimize
podcasts and
this is
not
the time to do
this
for other men
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best
and
anastasia and also
the same thing.
Philip,
I
think,
what my anastasia direct
is that she
is.
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is
willing and what?
And what is and yet what we can do
and
straight up and that's what we're doing.
I
think
queer sein or the trans
queer transfer
order is
gone
and through
a
little bit
of discrimination
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we are
not
English in the world with
the same thing.
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what is the village, or whatever,
if you have
auchenberg, so
that's the same thing.
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coming in Nord Iraq.
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was in this
world and for
the Deutschland.
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is of kindness for past pastebondrokefrau.
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have
a word.
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we can
also
use podcast comments in this einemoment that
we have a little bit of a mail and this
is a very important.
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are we mind the
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