"Der Amoklauf von Erfurt" – mit Sarah
Am 26. April 2002 erlebt Sarah etwas, das ihr Leben für immer verändern wird: den ersten Amoklauf an einer deutschen Schule. Sie ist Schülerin am Gutenberg-Gymnasium in Erfurt, als ein ehemaliger Mitschüler das Gebäude betritt und das Feuer eröffnet. 16 Menschen sterben an diesem Tag, darunter auch zwei ihrer Freund*innen – direkt vor ihren Augen. Für Sarah ist plötzlich nichts mehr, wie es war: Ihre Schule wird zum Tatort, ihr Alltag zum Trauma, und die ganze Nation blickt erschüttert nach Erfurt.
Der Amoklauf von Erfurt war ein Einschnitt in die deutsche Geschichte. Zum ersten Mal sprach man hierzulande von einem „School Shooting“ – ein Ereignis, das bundesweit Schlagzeilen machte, Debatten auslöste und bis heute rechtliche Folgen nach sich zieht. Für Sarah aber bleibt es vor allem eines: ein Tag, der untrennbar mit ihrer Biografie verbunden ist.
In dieser Folge spricht Sarah darüber, wie sie die Stunden des 26. April 2002 erlebt hat. Die Angst, die Ungewissheit, das Gefühl, mittendrin zu stehen. Und darüber, wie dieses einschneidende Erlebnis sie bis heute prägt.
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a man,
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in Zurich, and I combined, and
that.
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wagon or
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we have
the medals also relative to
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music was
passed what I normal.
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have a director we
have
I was
classified as a
musician, but
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would
say
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you
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to
and yeah, in this board,
what
they
were doing.
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or
the
right to
English in the Schule, and yeah,
they are
going and
good contact.
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April 2007.
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I help
the Schulerloss and Schulegang,
but
in Falzoni,
the oulagan of what
is far
off
that
concentration and.
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in the middle, as I wish,
a music also had
an age, a music,
quasi
in the
world, but that
would not be, or I wish,
but I have the
wonderful
friends.
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the
same in Romans,
canstim, and
in the classroom.
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have all
the
people, so hint in the wand, what
is the film,
or whatever,
when we
get
the gate,
that
we have all relative schnells and
in Rome, and
for
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can we do is that theater would
not be in the classroom, can't
you?
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can
do is
in Rome,
and we
have
to
seen it, where they are relatively close and relative,
and
we don't have
a kind of
a matter of the same thing.
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that
reinsured
and
catastrophic in the moment.
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we
are
going to
come
in class
the
School Director,
a secretariat and
left,
direct for the
material and mitule.
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This is
also
crashed so that
you had a cliche
instinctively.
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also a clear
passage.
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I think
it had
to be
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come.
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is
the
matter?
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persecuted.
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can
now
do
and this
is what
we have.
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are not sure and
we have
an
easy way to
do this.
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shared the hand, or
whatever,
but
we wouldn't
mark and
also
shirt or
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and
see
the discussion
also,
so that
is
Ronnie.
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a four global
classical, combination
and what
is new abitre can
be
quasi-annym where
this market wow and the global schloss or
highest
and
then we
I would say,
what
is not
myself,
I will
say, and then
I think
what
so
and what
is biased and
then what
we have
seen that
a mitchell is a mitigation from
the fuss.
And that market is
also
a very good thing.
And then,
yeah,
also
position a normal
gate and
reflex.
we directed
the same.
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the moment before
the situation?
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this is
still
and
done.
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been
ordered
by
Gantstel.
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we have,
or you can't do it.
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important
to
the police answer,
that
we should
all realize what
the node
has not been handed
out.
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smartphones
are
classified,
the police roof
on the line, and we have
to go and then
cars and light, and then content
myself.
So, we can also
classify
relative good for us, we had also
good media,
their music interest, and we had English
markets,
but
yeah, my
English.
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are the director that was
quasi-dasie,
that my
hat
now
is
this and
that also
from not
and that
we
mentioned Turtle in the moment?
No, that's not what I my natural
American fraud
that
we have
and I think that can be
good, that we
have in Rauan, and
then
we have
to
say that
in Narristen.
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master
and
this worldwide would
be worldwide together and that
also
in Deutschland,
that
forbidden or therefore
in Dutchman.
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we have the consultation, we can
in the moment.
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do you think?
What
do we do with it?
I think
that's why Schule and the Lehrers
were
comfortable
and
and rause and then
also for
the first time.
That's
why we also
cleared
the side of the world.
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but
that's also
in the end
with
my motor,
and then
also
I
think that
information of the text
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in the text
of the text.
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can be
said about Papa that we are
and
I was
with my mama and my
house, then so they
were also
I would
say in that side alignment with my mama, so she had also
a new
one, but
yeah, this
information
that when it was possible, that my mama then
said that
in this class
in this moment, with
the angst of the most,
yeah.
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why we
are
not in the situation
and then
the Ruben
is
automatically
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only thing I
was thinking.
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say that when
you
heard what
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the anger
and the
power
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the
colours of the city.
So, that would be
a little bit more difficult.
automung.
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was
in this class all of the
time, so a kinder in the texturation in classroom Felix was
the
first to
be in marketing camera
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that
naive
sovereigns, but we
also cannot
be able to
share the
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first thing
we have to anchor positions
and
the moment and
also
the Kreislaw problem.
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why it is
not.
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we
actually hinted about Manhattan,
so that
the Kreislawa
had a political
and
organized and
the
malt webinar
classical fabric theater or the
other.
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it go.
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shimmy
of relative growth, what we
do, that is what
we have
to do.
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the results are
not
and the police,
and also
police,
and I was
more honoristic panic,
but
this
policy would
be
in this room,
and that also
panic,
but
the politics, and he has
the political
heart, and that
would be
the university
policy or telephone, that decision
for her, but that
is unorganized, and the connection is also
recognized or
and
in the moment we
panic,
then
police
then
is
the police
and
what
in the moment
we
totally and left.
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do it.
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that's what we
were doing.
We have to go and then we have this
warden.
That must
be
be.
And
I think
in the
field, and also brutal gutters,
we that in the moment was the
same that we
were
do is
to make sure that you're going to be
able to
do it.
We have
to
classify a
lot of
irritants,
quasi-erotancy,
And so
we have a fan
and also
content,
we have
to
do something that
is
the same
and
And so
one
pass is also
in the middle.
So then what does Ganzen
was clarifying, man?
So that's what
Amochlau is
in this room, that
also
Robert Steinheuser is the one who has a very important thing to
info that we are also
building in the media for
a campus,
but we are
going to
be able to
do it.
what
is it?
Was it in the auspices of Guru that mirrors?
That was English, okay?
I mean, this is Rome, so that in autus sport,
and sanitizer, and I went to
The Schuler
also has a practice, whatever, and then what in the spot we do
not
contact
us then
in this auto spot,
then here
we
have this
quasi with auto single
And also,
when the richenhap was
too
confronted.
Yeah, so that's why
we
had
police autos, and
cameras
from all senders,
microphone, the
stretch warden,
and quasi-tampo, what
commentary
is
coming?
I feel like this
moment
would
be
my family, whatever, and
we
have a camera,
and yeah, we
have
to do it.
So,
most ignorantly,
the situation.
Yeah.
Then we have sport platforms
in these autos when
auto or exposure
and the quasi all angle
quasi
kindergarten
and I
think
what we
have
in the army
and not a friend
English and they
She had
quasi tantric anger, and had to hurt the
power, and
also
politics,
also
camera built,
what
also
is.
That we have also
built,
and then the auchenplatts are
my mama also,
whatever,
with
the same thing, and
my motorsages
Yeah.
What
do you think about
it?
Yeah,
the schlimps ellipse
We have the atmosphere of this
sport
and that's what we're doing.
My mother has also been
able to
do that.
And now
we have to
say that
we can get some crank house.
And
yeah,
that we have
to
do something,
but I think
that's my video.
That
was the
tool, but the light or
the
other and kind of.
And
also
the Schuler and Scholars in the Schulevan, so political notes that
identified
the information
and not from the politics or not
Yeah, I think
it's a very important thing.
That's
the nachten.
So we
have to do something.
And then this
water is what
we are saying, and we have also
a children in the Schuler within
the
media, that Susie Rani wasn't
that
absolutely
elliptic, then also.
and the
ellipse,
also
indirectly.
Yeah, we
have
a gebung
about
the moment
what
is
in the
market, and yeah, but
I
wouldn't have to
shout,
and yeah,
but
what
is this
feel
better than
my anger?
The political
comments, um,
also
I can
feel
quite
a political system, a political system,
but
I think Alice Etsy
and George
Twitter,
we
have also
fragments that
we can do.
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relative clean and
plateau and
buffalo
sex
9 centimeters plateau and
the presentation.
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Yeah, so
directly
a sociology
that invited
the classes also.
Yes, sociological.
Yeah, so
I also
wired.
Yeah, she was also
the information
WhatsApp organizations,
so free lifts with telephone
that
we have
in collective and then in class form quasi environment
and we have
quasi on the eggs, that is
also
quasi-so
much
Skap also
quasi
warden, the
class
and
warden to
the music or
whatever.
We wouldn't
class
and class and
followed by the music.
But what
is
it?
So that goodness, that also,
Yeah, also
in a
live quasi condemnation,
also a risk of bloom in
the middle of the hinge,
and yes, we
have a build what
COP
and
Traufire is in the airfield of the Domplots
organizer
or
allegedly
and
the storms, and then
BADCOME.
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fuel when the Heimmart Erfootskaman
when Airfoot
and America
wasn't.
Yeah, so
we're going to
go.
So I think we're going to
have a chapter,
is
Erford that had
been
or otherwise
kindergarten from
contact, the
author of the hurt,
the Erford,
Is this
a very important thing?
I think,
yeah.
So, that's why
directions
also
review,
and that we have to
stream
a
bit more normal
article,
I think.
So, the site
is also home and
not anger, but
we will see this situation and this
is
not
good for it, and
yeah, that also
in the middle class
ellipse, and
the
other one.
And we transact order where
this minute or the
armor clause
and
the
even in the New York
Manila Stilgewarden.
So, that's the
Stilgeward.
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and Herbert,
the content
for
the world, we
have classes, but
not
even
contacted.
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contacted me, or
not,
and
regularly contact her
that also.
So, that's the kind of work
that we
have,
the
sound.
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video clings in the target can
be
a little bit more difficult.
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that
also
finishes the clear when
normal.
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think that so much work
in my target,
that is
Yeah, so what can you clearly?
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read what
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have a target of business and that's life within
the
niche.
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do that.
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what?
we
do, about
zone,
and also
that
articles,
but
we
have an analyst, that's
also a very important thing.
How do you feel that
concentrate and operate?
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we had
aupt.
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or in
the name of
the world, and this gun
killer spiel batter, or this warner,
these Counter-Strike
and Schools and what Gesetz and all
that
is
that
word or the angle.
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of
courts can be an article also,
that's what it is.
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That
would be naturalist families.
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moments journalists
on?
Yeah, but
the camera is true and
that
we are so friendly, and we have a lot of softeners.
Yeah, but
also
with
the same
thing or
photos and
the public.
I have
this podcast
for the
tattoo or terrorists,
wouldn't
the news
not?
Yeah, of course.
I
think
we have to do it and we we have quasi-relative ends, but
then also
be ended.
We tested that quasi-thash warns,
but I was
best,
and when we
were, and I can't say that my hat was
suffered that
I
could get and
family friends and
psychological
traumatic
things and then
this past.
We
could
have the rook in the
And yeah, that's what we cast.
We can
see and
also the standard under School English
and a region with three, and they have
also
the Gutenberg and the Hamilton
Lebesgue.
So that's why
in this board meeting,
yeah,
then we have a lot of
new
classes,
and
then we have to go to the classroom and
I think
that the class of India
and myself and myself.
Ganza Santa
Yeah, so we have
to be able to
begin the video,
and
that's why we
have a field or whatever, and what,
and
what,
see
and the
room and whatever.
That's also the answer.
And I think that's
what
and yeah, what
we do is
also.
And
yeah, that means we could get
that
good.
was the actors that
were in
the best
way to
mention
the good contest we had.
And that's why
I had
very important, but the teachers ordered organizations
that
were
blue,
the platform
that
flashed
elliptic, and then physically classified.
Yeah, that
we
were able to
hinder
I think that she is an effort to sublime.
And the sky also
directs
and
informed
practical
and
studio,
bachelor market, also
culture also,
and
then the master of
the efforts
we were
working.
India,
my family,
and
I think with effort for Watson
Burt, and normal
Engels, not the studio, and
then Commissioner Wiltshire.
And then we have a man
and
then
what
effort
is
that we need
to cluster all the center and vanilla guns.
write it,
there were
a lot of
kindergarten, the kindergarten
director of Schule, as
we have in Yetenag a Schule for
the Speaker of the English bringing in kindergarten
and
present in my field and
the practice of all,
and yeah,
I mean,
I
think
it's quite
fine, but yeah, but I do not
yeah, the total dengue and
the corrections.
What is
the other video?
But yeah, that is a video normal,
and then extra help
and quasi
and
the same thing.
That
was
a choice for buying.
So, when you
bring the
media,
or that we can do it,
so
skip moments where we are, or the trend, when
you
bloom, the original message that
we have,
or
quasi-doctors,
in the
gap:
this
phenomenon also
politically
reinforces
and even
this
is kind of.
So, what I
was doing,
this is
better
than
what
motor
tendency
to
get
and
see what we have.
Is that
really
great?
And this amorklau hat is
told
at the moment.
Yeah, that's
what I'm saying.
They're not
an auto-discretion,
and so that
also
is a
mess, and
also
comes and
then
we
have to
be able to do it.
And
find
and
also
the angels, so
the
label, the
hurt, and
therefore
or dengue that
Yeah,
so
we have a director amongst when
they
are
the political automatic,
then
the management of
the channel as that is
better,
but what
And that is not
that
we
have
to
theoretical situation or when
a foreigner, Surrey, for the politics, and for the crew
that coordinate and organize
and then also feel
The Armaglau and Erwood is a trainer precedent
in Deutschland for the consequences.
But
in the calibration,
a medicine psychologist and
the future of the world.
Sarah had
the police anger, the Damalda and Highlands were
situation,
a political
area, then
the order dienstrift.
And this evening is a cardinal
theater in the decision.
Nah,
would the
end and the heists be
able to politicize
it.
and this is my
situation in the world and
motivated
and
the same thing.
Robert Steinhous was
in October 2008, so it was a hybrid for the America.
Steinhous flicked from the Schule and Nussman Wissen, that is
in Turing and
Maison Andrew Bundesland
or Enliche Nacheten Classic.
Robert Steinheus had also
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perspective
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Robert Steinhauser
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fuel
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in the Schuleva.
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and
masks then?
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we have an interview with Elton, and also
Mitchell from
Carl Erdmann,
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interviews
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English, but
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it's my English guy.
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happened.
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that's a good question.
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also.
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people
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a detail, that health,
yeah, this explosion for us,
and I
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what
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the same.
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that's not the robotic,
that is not
the process, or
whatever,
normal
endangerment,
so it was a very passionate.
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what I
was
talking about, I want to hear from
you.
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and
this panic
would
be in the audience.
auspices.
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mere passion is
my
good gate, and that
is
the danger
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have
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good.
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the world, then
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