"Der Amoklauf von Erfurt" – mit Sarah

1h 23m

Am 26. April 2002 erlebt Sarah etwas, das ihr Leben für immer verändern wird: den ersten Amoklauf an einer deutschen Schule. Sie ist Schülerin am Gutenberg-Gymnasium in Erfurt, als ein ehemaliger Mitschüler das Gebäude betritt und das Feuer eröffnet. 16 Menschen sterben an diesem Tag, darunter auch zwei ihrer Freund*innen – direkt vor ihren Augen. Für Sarah ist plötzlich nichts mehr, wie es war: Ihre Schule wird zum Tatort, ihr Alltag zum Trauma, und die ganze Nation blickt erschüttert nach Erfurt.


Der Amoklauf von Erfurt war ein Einschnitt in die deutsche Geschichte. Zum ersten Mal sprach man hierzulande von einem „School Shooting“ – ein Ereignis, das bundesweit Schlagzeilen machte, Debatten auslöste und bis heute rechtliche Folgen nach sich zieht. Für Sarah aber bleibt es vor allem eines: ein Tag, der untrennbar mit ihrer Biografie verbunden ist.


In dieser Folge spricht Sarah darüber, wie sie die Stunden des 26. April 2002 erlebt hat. Die Angst, die Ungewissheit, das Gefühl, mittendrin zu stehen. Und darüber, wie dieses einschneidende Erlebnis sie bis heute prägt.



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world, but that

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wonderful

friends.

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people, so hint in the wand, what

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do something that

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in this room, that

also

Robert Steinheuser is the one who has a very important thing to

info that we are also

building in the media for

a campus,

but we are

going to

be able to

do it.

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is it?

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and sanitizer, and I went to

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not

contact

us then

in this auto spot,

then here

we

have this

quasi with auto single

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when the richenhap was

too

confronted.

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we

had

police autos, and

cameras

from all senders,

microphone, the

stretch warden,

and quasi-tampo, what

commentary

is

coming?

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moment

would

be

my family, whatever, and

we

have a camera,

and yeah, we

have

to do it.

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most ignorantly,

the situation.

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in these autos when

auto or exposure

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quasi

kindergarten

and I

think

what we

have

in the army

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English and they

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power, and

also

politics,

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what

also

is.

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my mama also,

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do you think about

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sport

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able to

do that.

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we have to

say that

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And

yeah,

that we have

to

do something,

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that's my video.

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was the

tool, but the light or

the

other and kind of.

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also

the Schuler and Scholars in the Schulevan, so political notes that

identified

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it's a very important thing.

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the nachten.

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have to do something.

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water is what

we are saying, and we have also

a children in the Schuler within

the

media, that Susie Rani wasn't

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absolutely

elliptic, then also.

and the

ellipse,

also

indirectly.

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have

a gebung

about

the moment

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is

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market, and yeah, but

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wouldn't have to

shout,

and yeah,

but

what

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my anger?

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comments, um,

also

I can

feel

quite

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but

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and George

Twitter,

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have also

fragments that

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class

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class

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have a build what

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yeah.

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yeah, that also

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think

we have to do it and we we have quasi-relative ends, but

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suffered that

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family friends and

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traumatic

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see and

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the Gutenberg and the Hamilton

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in this board meeting,

yeah,

then we have a lot of

new

classes,

and

then we have to go to the classroom and

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that the class of India

and myself and myself.

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to be able to

begin the video,

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that's why we

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see

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room and whatever.

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what

and yeah, what

we do is

also.

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yeah, that means we could get

that

good.

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were in

the best

way to

mention

the good contest we had.

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I had

very important, but the teachers ordered organizations

that

were

blue,

the platform

that

flashed

elliptic, and then physically classified.

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we

were able to

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directs

and

informed

practical

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studio,

bachelor market, also

culture also,

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then the master of

the efforts

we were

working.

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my family,

and

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Burt, and normal

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then Commissioner Wiltshire.

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and

then

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effort

is

that we need

to cluster all the center and vanilla guns.

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there were

a lot of

kindergarten, the kindergarten

director of Schule, as

we have in Yetenag a Schule for

the Speaker of the English bringing in kindergarten

and

present in my field and

the practice of all,

and yeah,

I mean,

I

think

it's quite

fine, but yeah, but I do not

yeah, the total dengue and

the corrections.

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and

the same thing.

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was

a choice for buying.

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bring the

media,

or that we can do it,

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skip moments where we are, or the trend, when

you

bloom, the original message that

we have,

or

quasi-doctors,

in the

gap:

this

phenomenon also

politically

reinforces

and even

this

is kind of.

So, what I

was doing,

this is

better

than

what

motor

tendency

to

get

and

see what we have.

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really

great?

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told

at the moment.

Yeah, that's

what I'm saying.

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an auto-discretion,

and so that

also

is a

mess, and

also

comes and

then

we

have to

be able to do it.

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find

and

also

the angels, so

the

label, the

hurt, and

therefore

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so

we have a director amongst when

they

are

the political automatic,

then

the management of

the channel as that is

better,

but what

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that

we

have

to

theoretical situation or when

a foreigner, Surrey, for the politics, and for the crew

that coordinate and organize

and then also feel

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in Deutschland for the consequences.

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in the calibration,

a medicine psychologist and

the future of the world.

Sarah had

the police anger, the Damalda and Highlands were

situation,

a political

area, then

the order dienstrift.

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theater in the decision.

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would the

end and the heists be

able to politicize

it.

and this is my

situation in the world and

motivated

and

the same thing.

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in October 2008, so it was a hybrid for the America.

Steinhous flicked from the Schule and Nussman Wissen, that is

in Turing and

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