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My guest, Dwayne Johnson, is a wrestling star, known in the ring as The Rock.

He's won eight WWE championships, and he's a movie star.

His new movie, which he produced and stars in, is a perfect fit in which he gets to use his muscles, his fighting ability, and to show what a good and nuanced actor he can be, for anyone who may have doubted it.

It's called The Smashing Machine, and it's based on the story of Mark Kerr, one of the American pioneers of mixed martial arts and of the UFC, the Ultimate Fighting Championship.

The movie is about the high of having tens of thousands of fans cheering for you, the thrill of winning, and the physical pain after some fights when muscles are torn or bones are broken and your face is smashed.

Emily Blunt plays Kerr's girlfriend in a very combustible relationship which strains under the pressures and pain of Kerr's career.

Kerr is portrayed by Johnson as incredibly powerful and vulnerable, the paradox that I'd imagine characterizes many professional fighters.

Johnson plays both extremes very convincingly.

He optioned the movie and brought on Benny Safdie to direct it, and Safdie's solo directing debut without his brother Josh.

The movie is based in part on a documentary about Mark Kerr, and many of the scenes closely follow the documentary, reproducing fights and statements made by Kerr.

Dwayne Johnson's father was a pro-wrestler, one of the first black stars, whose ring name was Rocky Johnson.

Dwayne Johnson's maternal grandfather was a Samoan pro-wrestler and his grandmother was one of the first Samoan pro-wrestling promoters.

Johnson's TV series Young Rock was based on his childhood and his family.

He also starred in the HBO series Ballers.

Johnson made his movie debut in the 2001 film The Mummy Returns.

He starred in the spin-off The Scorpion King and went on to star in two Jumanji films, Fast and Furious sequels, the Disney animated film Moana and its sequel, and Black Adam.

He's hosted Saturday Night Live five times.

Dwayne Johnson, welcome to Fresh Air.

I really like this movie a lot.

Thank you, Terry.

Good to talk with you.

I read that you considered becoming a mixed martial arts fighter, but you didn't.

Why did you consider it and why did you not do it yourself?

First of all, I realized I don't like getting punched in the face, so I would prefer not to, as these guys do.

But in 1997, I was wrestling for the WWE,

and my career at that time wasn't going as planned, and it was actually going backwards, and I wasn't making much progress.

I wound up getting hurt.

I tore a ligament in my knee.

And so I went home.

And when I was sitting at home, that's when I really started to question whether or not I was on the right path of being a professional wrestler.

And the reason why I considered MMA at that time was because guys like Mark Kerr, who I met, and a lot of his MMA fighting buddies at that time from Mark Coleman, Kevin Randleman, Don Frye, these are all guys who ultimately went on to become legends and godfathers of the world of MMA.

And those guys

were making a lot more money and they were wrestling out of Japan.

And at that time, I was wrestling approximately 235 to 250 nights a year.

So I was never home, and I was wrestling every single night in a different city.

And so the wear and tear of my body was already beginning to set in, and it was just year one for me.

So at that time I began to consider a career in MMA thinking I know they're making triple the money that I'm making and they're only fighting maybe five to eight times a year.

So I did consider it and it was the summer of 1997

and as I was rehabbing my knee I got a call from the WWE who said that we're going to bring you back at the end of the summer, but there's going to be one difference.

And I said, what's that?

And they said, we're going to make you a heel.

And so in Wrestling.

A villain.

A villain.

Yeah, exactly.

And that's at parlance.

Babyface is a good guy.

Heel is a villain.

And they said, we're going to make you a heel when you come back.

I said, great.

I just want any kind of change.

And I went back as a villain.

And probably about three months later, the rest was history.

And I took on the persona of The Rock.

Can you describe the difference between your babyface persona and your persona as The Rock?

So my original name when I went in to WWE was Rocky My Via.

And I hated that name because it was

when I got into wrestling, as you said in my introduction, my grandfather was a pro wrestler, my dad was a pro wrestler, my grandmother was one of the first female promoters in pro wrestling.

So I came from a long lineage and while very proud of my family's history in pro wrestling, I also wanted to make it on my own.

And I wanted to carve my own path.

And so they came up, WWE came up with this name, Rocky Myvia, a combination of my dad's name, Rocky Johnson, and my grandfather's name, Hi Chief Peter Maivia.

So

it was showing respect to my family lineage and all part of the good guy babyface persona.

And I remember having a conversation with Vince McMahon, who was the owner at that time of WWE.

And he said, when you go out every night, I want you to smile.

I said, can I ask you why?

He goes, I want to make sure that the crowd thinks and knows that you're grateful to be here and you're grateful for the opportunity.

So I always want you smiling.

I want you to be the quintessential babyface.

And I remember at that time, Terry, thinking, well, I feel like there might be other ways for me to show how grateful I am, but also this is a performance.

And

even before I went out with my big smiles as requested from WWE, it just didn't feel right to me.

So

I made my debut and my very first match in WWE, which was actually my very first match ever.

And that was in Madison Square Garden.

And I went out and we had my match and

I wind up winning the whole thing, which was a pretty incredible night.

And the smiles were consistent.

Every night I would smile.

But then what happened quite quickly is the fans picked up on that and it wasn't good because they felt, and it was true, that I wasn't being just real and authentic.

And they began to turn.

on me.

When you won that first match, did you know you were going to win?

Was a choreographed for you to win?

win?

Oh, yeah.

So that's the world of pro wrestling is you know and we're well aware of who's going to win that night and who's not.

That's why I'm always careful to say,

not to say how many people I actually beat because it's actually I didn't, you know, and they allowed it to happen.

So everybody supports everybody.

But yes, I did know that.

Okay, so compare the babyface to the rock.

So now when I get the call from WWE and says, hey, after your injury, when you heal up, at the end of the summer, we're going to bring you back as a heel.

And then that night, I got on the microphone and I said, Rocky, my via is a lot of things because they were chanting Rocky Sucks,

which was a lot of fun in that world when you have 20,000 people.

Well, here's the thing.

In that world, when you're a good guy and they're chanting Rocky Sucks, that's a death sentence.

Now, when you're a bad guy and you say, hey, I may be a lot of things, things, but sucks isn't one of them, then I said something that really lit the crowd and they just booed even more.

But it was different back then because then I became a heel that night.

And within three months, I became the hottest heel in the company.

And the

ascension happened pretty quick.

But you know what, Terry?

It was.

That moment was so defining for me because it really allowed me to step into my power.

And what I mean by that is just being real and authentic.

And even in this crazy world of pro wrestling, every time I grabbed the microphone and I said something, or every action that I did came from a very, very real place.

And it was like instantaneously, the crowd knew it and they said, oh, this guy's holding up a mirror.

That's who he is.

And we love it.

And then The Rock was born.

So there's a scene in the new movie, The Smashing Machine, where we see that Mark Kerr is known for the body takedown by grabbing his opponent by the legs, by the back of his legs, and pulling up his legs so that the opponent is flat on his back while Kerr stands over him and smashes his face till it's all bloodied.

And, you know, the match has to end.

There was a similar scene in your wrestling career.

This was, I think, WrestleMania 14 against Ken Shamrock.

And Shamrock knocks you out, gets you in an ankle hold.

The announcers are speculating that he's broken your ankle.

You're bleeding from the mouth.

I can't tell if the blood is real.

Your head is hanging over the edge of the ring, and you're taken away on a stretcher.

And

Shamrock has won.

The referee reverses his decision and declares you the winner because Shamrock refused to break the ankle hold.

He gets into a rage.

He literally throws the ref out of his way, runs over to the stretcher as you're being wheeled out of the arena, and starts attacking you.

So

how much of that is staged and how much of that was real?

Were you really hurt?

Was that real blood?

In professional wrestling, it is always and only real blood, and that's the truth.

That night was WrestleMania, and I knew what the finish of the match was going to be.

I knew that he was not going to break the ankle lock and the referee was going to reverse the decision.

We knew that.

We talked backstage.

We rehearsed for hours and hours and hours.

And prior to us getting to WrestleMania, myself and Ken Shamrock, we were already wrestling each other every night on the road.

So by the time we got to WrestleMania, we had our chemistry, we had our alchemy, and we had a really, really great match that night.

So the reason why I was bleeding from the mouth is because he suplexed me.

And this is where a lot of times in wrestling, you can train,

you can have your techniques, you can do your best to protect your guy, your dance partner, as we call it.

But sometimes just things hurt, and you land in a way that hurts.

So he suplexed me, and I landed in a way that really, for the moment, damaged my lungs and blood vessels.

Oh.

And that's why I was spitting up blood.

So that was part of the match that we didn't plan,

but just happens.

So I was on the stretcher, which I knew the ambulance was going to come and take me out.

It was all part of the finish.

So I did know everything that was going to happen that night, but I did not know that I was going to start bleeding from

my lungs.

Oh, that sounds horrible.

Did Shamrock know you were bleeding for real and that you were seriously injured?

He did.

He asked me,

there's ways that wrestlers can talk in the ring, and he says, hey, are you okay?

And I said, I feel like I'm okay.

At least I could breathe.

Let's get through the match.

And so we finished the match.

And I think, you know, looking back, it was one of those, that's happened to me a few times, and it's happened to a lot of wrestlers too as well.

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So let's talk about your family.

You're from a wrestling family.

Your father was Rocky Johnson, one of the first black wrestlers, and he's in the WWE

Hall of Fame.

Your maternal grandfather was High Chief Peter Maiavilla, who was

very well known in Samoa,

professional wrestler.

And your grandmother, his wife, took over the Polynesian Pacific Pro Wrestling

organization after your grandfather died.

And

how did wrestling change between your grandfather, your father, and your era?

Good question.

It became global, and it became publicly traded, and

it evolved from

wrestling in very, very small venues to

stadiums

throughout our country and around the world.

And I was lucky in a way, Terry, in that

my era when I came into pro wrestling in the 90s,

that was like the last man standing in terms of small promotions.

So when I first got into pro wrestling, I didn't immediately go to the WWE because I wasn't ready and I was still green and I needed experience.

So fortunately, there was

a wrestling company called the USWA.

And

that wrestling company was based out of Nashville and based out of Memphis.

And I lived in Memphis, and that's where I started.

And the reason why I say I was really lucky in that because it allowed me to cut my teeth every night in, I would wrestle in flea markets and barns and used car dealerships where people would come to buy a used car and there would be a ring in the parking lot.

And you would see wrestlers.

And I had a my guarantee for wrestling a match every day was 40 bucks.

That was my guarantee.

So we're making no money and really starving, but you just love to do it.

So wrestling had changed and evolved from my grandfather to my dad to me in the WWE.

But I was really lucky that before I got to the WWE, I was still able to learn that way and learn on the road.

You were in the ring together with your father.

Yeah.

There's a lot of highlights of your fights on YouTube.

And one of them, you're just fighting alone.

And I'm trying to remember who your opponent is.

But anyways, he's got you down, and you look like you're in pain.

And then your father kind of rushes into the ring.

He's wearing like a sports jacket, and he rips off the sports jacket, and he kind of rescues you.

And then like the Sultan comes in with a flag on a pole, and he takes the pole, and he starts beating your father on the back.

And every time the pole connects to your father's back, the Sultan like stomps his foot to make it sound as if the pole is making that kind of noise, smashing against your father's back.

And

it's kind of funny.

That must have been a fun experience for you.

It was awesome.

That was what you're referring to.

That was WrestleMania.

And that was my very first WrestleMania match, WrestleMania 13 in Chicago.

That was when I was a good guy, the babyface, the rookie.

And I was Intercontinental Champion for WWE at that time.

And

the bad guys were beating me up.

And then my dad comes in and he helps make the save.

And we, in wrestling parlance, it's called cleaning house.

So the babyfaces, the good guys start cleaning house, meaning, you know, they're.

they're just beating up the bad guys and throwing them out of the ring.

And ultimately, the good guys, the babyfaces, are left standing in the ring.

And that's like a nice father and son moment that was,

it was really cool.

I wasn't at that time again I was kind of struggling with that because I I felt like wait I still want to try and create my own path

and I remember thinking if my dad comes out and he's involved

it's not aligned with what I want to do and trying to make my own path here and but I still I said okay let's do it and we did it and it was a nice moment but you know I realized

what actually it meant for him which that a highlight for him.

And he has said that that was the highlight of his entire career, which meant a lot to me because my dad, he did Trailblaze, and he and his

tag team partner, Tony Atlas, they became the first black tag team champions of WWE.

And even in the world of WWE, that's fictionalized and

rehearsed, and you know who's going to win and you know who's going to lose.

And when somebody becomes champion, the decision is made from an office that this man or this woman is going to become champion.

But why this was so significant in terms of, I think, culture and black culture and them becoming the first black tag team champions is because it signified that they really were trailblazing at that time.

And in the early 80s,

there was still a lot of racism that was present.

And especially in these small arenas and these small towns

around the country, where the audience was predominantly white, they cheered these guys.

And that's why Vince, at that time, Vince McMahon.

Vince McMahon.

Yeah, he's like, you know what?

You guys need to become champions because you guys are changing the behavior of people.

And that's what one of the qualities of trailblazing is when you're able to change the behavior of somebody.

And that's what they did.

So the reason why I share that was because that, to me, that was my dad's greatest accomplishment, which was him becoming first black tag team champions.

But my dad always referenced that moment when he and I were in the ring together at WrestleMania as his greatest achievement.

So

I'm glad it happened for him because even despite our complicated relationship, I think it's just the love of a son that you'll always be just that.

You'll be the son of your dad.

And you always want to make your dad happy, you know, despite all the stuff you go through.

Complicated guy.

Complicated relationship.

So before we run out of time, I'm going to transition from fighting to singing.

I like your voice.

I've only heard you sing twice.

I heard the Eric Clapton song that you sang and played in the ring to Vicki Guerrero.

And then, of course, in Moana, you sing in that too.

Did you think of yourself ever as a singer before, like, singing on film for the animated film?

I grew up singing.

In our family, I'm half black and half Samoan.

And in my culture, especially on the Polynesian side,

singing and dancing was ever present in our household with my dad as well.

And so we grew up that way.

And my mom,

who will listen to this and is going to love this entire interview, she still carries ukulele with her everywhere she goes, Terry.

Everywhere.

Everywhere she goes, she's known.

Oh, here comes, here comes the ukulele lady.

And then she'll remind everybody, no, I'm the rock's mom.

And she'll sing.

So we grew up singing, and I grew up singing

Sam Cook and Elvis and

Hawaiian artist and Hawaiian songs and Polynesian songs.

And

in our household, it was like, We'd sing Donho, tiny but tiny bubble, right?

You hear him sing and like kind of crooning his way through our household.

So, if this was the 1960s, you would be recording an album.

Clint Eastwood recorded an album.

George McHarris recorded an album.

I mean, lots of like TV and movie stars, whether they could sing or not, recorded albums.

Are you going to record an album?

I'm not making you an offer.

It's not my place to do that.

If we were in the 60s right now, that means Sam Cook would be alive, and me and Sam Cook, it would be like, Oh, you're the apple of my eye, my cherry pie, my coke and ice cream.

All right, that's all I got.

Thank you for that.

It's been such a pleasure to talk with you.

Thank you so much.

Congratulations on the new movie.

I think it really takes your acting career to a new level.

Really appreciate it.

It's really good talking to you.

Dwayne Johnson stars in the new movie The Smashing Machine, based on the life of former MMA champion Mark Kerr.

Here's Johnson singing the Lynn Manuel Miranda song, You're Welcome, from the Disney animated film Moana.

Okay, okay.

I see what's happening, yeah.

You're face to face with greatness, and it's strange.

You don't even know how you feel.

It's adorable.

Well, it's nice to see that humans never change.

Open your eyes, let's begin.

Yes, it's really me, it's Maui, breathe it in.

I know it's a lot, the hair, the bod.

When you're staring at a demigod,

what can I say except you're welcome for the tides, the sun, the sky?

Hey, it's okay, it's okay.

You're welcome.

I'm just an ordinary demigod.

Hey, what has this?

If you're not familiar with the comedy of my next guest, Cristella Alonzo, I think the best way of introducing her is with a clip.

But first, I should set it up.

Cristella is Mexican-American, the daughter of Mexican immigrants.

Her mother was living in Texas, undocumented, and pregnant with Cristella, her fourth child, when she left her abusive husband.

She raised her four children on her own.

Cristella grew up in a Texas border town.

This clip, like much of Cristella's comedy, is autobiographical.

My family, we're from South Texas, you know?

We're from Mexico.

And

that's South Texas.

Is South Texas?

Is kind of South Texas?

Is that South Texas?

I grew up in a mixed status family.

If you guys don't know what that is, that means that half of us were documented, half of us were undocumented, and we're not telling you which one's which.

Guess what?

We all look alike.

We didn't have a lot of money growing up.

You know, we had to share a bathroom and a birth certificate.

That was from Cristella Alonso's first Netflix comedy special from 2017 called Lower Classy.

It was followed by her 2022 special, Middle Classy.

Her new one, Upper Classy, is now streaming on Netflix.

You can tell from the titles that class and money have been defining issues in her life because she grew up in extreme poverty.

For the first seven years of her life, Cristella, her mother, and three siblings were squatters in an abandoned diner in Texas with a toilet on the outside.

Cristella managed to get into a theater program in high school, win theater awards, study theater in college, but had to put her own dreams and ambitions on hold and quit college twice to care for her mother and help her sister raise her children.

Eventually, Cristella broke through by performing across the country on college campuses.

In 2014, she became the first Latina to create, write, and star in a network TV show.

Her semi-autobiographical sitcom, Cristella, ran for one season on ABC.

Cristella Alonzo, welcome to Fresh Air.

It is a pleasure to have you on the show.

It is so good to be here, and I love hearing you sum up my life because I think that sometimes we forget the things that we have gone through in our own lives.

So to hear it from someone else is kind of a really wonderful reminder.

Oh, good.

Can we talk about what the clip was about?

Was that half of your family was undocumented?

Can we talk about that without worrying about your family being deported now?

Yes, we can.

They're all citizens now, so that's very exciting.

How old were you when your mother became a citizen?

Well, actually, she ended up getting her resident alien card.

That's the highest she got.

I was about

10 years old when she got her card.

So for the first 10 years, it was a lot of us trying to protect her when we were in public.

How would you do that?

Well, you know, in the border town that I grew up in in McAllen, Texas,

it's a border town.

So you had border patrol agents out in public, you know, just kind of living amongst you because they were working near the border.

So if we went out to eat and there was one of them there, my mom would have us, you know, either try to make some noise, pretend that we're throwing a tantrum so that she has to take us out of the building immediately to protect her.

And we would have to play along because

we wanted to make sure that she was safe.

How worried were you at the time?

I was terrified.

You always wanted to make sure that you did your job well enough to where

you were hoping that your mother wouldn't be taken away from you.

And I was an American citizen.

It's weird to have that much power as a little kid and that much stress.

And I think that's why, with what is happening now,

living in Los Angeles and seeing the ICE raids, it reminds me of me being a child trying to protect my mother.

And I had forgotten

the feelings until I saw what was happening now, and it brought it all back.

What has it been like for you recently in L.A.?

And what was it like for you when the National Guard troops and Marines were just showing up in LA?

It was kind of unbelievable.

You ask yourself.

You live in the United States and you live in Los Angeles, one of the biggest cities in the country, and it's happening here.

So there was a moment of disbelief.

And then once you realize

that it was happening, I personally started remembering the immigration sweeps that happened in the 80s in my hometown, where a lot of times

you would not see your friends anymore because their parents had been deported.

Their immigration raid came and like just deported people at a factory, at a company,

what have you.

You grew up in a border town on the American side of the Texas border, and the town was just about all Mexican and Mexican-American.

And you used to cross over the border a lot to visit family on the other side in Mexico.

What was crossing the border like then?

This was in the 1980s, during the Reagan administration.

Yes.

Back then, you you didn't need a passport.

You needed a birth certificate.

Passports kind of became a required thing later on when I became kind of, I want to say around a pre-teen teenager.

You could just pass back and forth as long as you had the birth certificate.

A lot of times when you're a child,

you're crossing the border and the Border Patrol agents want to ask you all of these questions to make sure that you are who you are, that you're not someone from Mexico that they're trying to bring in, you know, quote-unquote illegally.

So they ask you for your name, they ask you how old you are, and then they kind of go off of your answers and decide what more am I going to ask her.

So, as a little kid, it's what's your favorite school subject?

Who's the name of your favorite teacher?

What's the name of your elementary school?

And it's all of these questions.

And I remember going through the border one time with a cousin of mine who's older than me.

And

he was a little bit on the spectrum and and had trouble answering a couple of questions, and they detained him, and we were held over for a long time.

And

that is something really heavy to deal with, but at the same time, it became kind of your normal thing, your normal way of life, that you were so used to it that, again, you didn't realize how big it was until later, until you got older.

My guest is comic and actress Cristella Alonzo.

Her new Netflix comedy special is called Upper Classy.

We'll hear more of our conversation after a short break.

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Your mother raised you, your sister, and two brothers, that's four kids, on her own, and she was on her own because she left her abusive husband.

Would you describe how she ended up being married to him against her will?

Yes.

So my mom grew up in a little village, in a little ranchito in Mexico called El San Carron.

Back then, it was like in the middle of nowhere.

And

my mom grew up very Catholic, and it was this thing where her parents were very strict, her mother was very strict, and people couldn't date.

You actually had a lot of arranged marriages a lot of times where girls would be engaged to older men, you know, because the men had all the power.

And the men, if there wasn't an arranged marriage, the men had all the power where they could kidnap the women and take them from their house.

Do you mean literally kidnap?

Yes.

So the women, once they were taken from their home, they were basically this man's property.

And that's how my mom and my dad ended up together.

And it was this culture, this environment where the women were submissive to the men.

You know, my mom and my dad got married through the church so they couldn't divorce.

You know, my mom left my dad, but they never divorced because they were Catholic.

That was how much my mom couldn't do it.

So she stayed married to him.

But after they got married, because he was a man, he would drink a lot, be very physically abusive to her, had another family.

That's the thing that made my mom leave my dad when she discovered.

Well, the church doesn't approve of that.

Absolutely.

You know, absolutely so it was this thing where you know she became the first woman in her family to leave her husband you never left your husband you didn't divorce you didn't separate you stuck through and you dealt with it and she decided to leave him with

I mean this woman had like a second-grade education couldn't speak the language here and she decided that that was better than staying married to my dad.

So they were in this at the point where they're already in the U.S.

They had been coming back and forth from the U.S.

and Mexico.

So they would come here and then they'd go back to Mexico.

They were trying to establish a life here, but then they would go back for a couple years.

It's one of those, it's really off and on.

That's the thing that I think is one of those perspectives in immigration that we don't talk about enough, is immigrants come to this country mostly out of a need.

It's in search of this opportunity that they don't have at home.

But if my parents could have made it happen, if they could have had a decent life, they would have stayed in their home.

They would have stayed in Mexico.

But they decided ultimately that the United States was a better opportunity for their children.

And, you know, when my mom left my dad, because she was such a Catholic woman, she told my dad that his punishment for being such a terrible person is to have no contact with his children ever again, and he was never going to be allowed to ever meet me.

And I never met my father my entire life.

There were times where he tried to reach out, and my mom never let him because

she didn't want

me sullied by having known him.

So your family was so poor, and your mother was supporting the family through four children on her own.

What kind of job did she have?

She was trying to do any kind of physical labor that she could do.

She would clean houses.

She started washing dishes at a restaurant, at a Mexican restaurant, and then she eventually became a cook at another restaurant and at a Mexican restaurant.

So she started working nights,

the dinner shift.

And then she realized that she needed more money, so she started working double shifts.

So she worked double shifts for years, and she would make about $150 a week.

Whoa.

That was her pay?

How did you support five people on that?

You don't.

It was really hard.

The way to survive is a lot of rice and beans.

You ate the same thing over and over again.

A lot of times where we didn't have any utilities, any electricity, you kind of made do with that.

A lot of times we didn't have hot water.

First of all, in the diner, we had this expensive.

Let me just explain again that you were squatting.

The family was squatting in an abandoned diner.

Yeah, we were squatting in this abandoned diner on the main street of my little hometown, San Juan, Texas.

It's Nebraska Street.

And this little diner, we had neighbors.

There was a little house next to this diner.

And my mom used to use an extension cord.

They would let her use an extension cord for a fee.

Like she would pay the neighbors a little bit to borrow some electricity.

And in the winter, she would have the space heater.

And this is before the space heaters had safety features that would turn off the heater when they tipped over.

So, my mom would have the space heater and put the heat facing up, and that's how she would cook food on the space heater.

That sounds really dangerous.

It is, but you know,

being hungry is even worse.

You know, in the winter, when it was cold, she used to have this like

a 10-gallon pickle tub from work that she would fill fill up with water, and she would warm it up.

And that's how we used to shower.

We used to stand in the middle of this wash tub.

She'd fill up this big bucket of water, warm water that she warmed up in the space heater.

And we would get a little cup and

we would fill the cup with water and then pour it on our bodies.

And that's how we showered in the winter.

Were you known as the family that lives in the abandoned diner?

No, we were very private.

We didn't didn't really have a lot of friends outside of our family.

We were very insulated, and I never told anybody where I lived.

It must be so interesting to be on stage doing comedy about all these horrible things from your childhood that you could have been in legal jeopardy for, that a lot of your family could have been deported for.

And now you've found a way on stage to make that funny and, of course, to make it very public.

I think it's so necessary to talk about it, though, because I realize that people need to know that despite

how I grew up, that I was able to go to school.

I was able to be a great student.

I kind of wanted to show people that the narrative that is presented about

someone like me or like my family wasn't true for everybody.

A lot of times, if you're not familiar with the Latino community, or namely like Mexican-Americans or anything, when I moved to college, I went to college in St.

Louis for a year

when I first moved, and

it was the first time that I realized I was a minority.

And it wasn't until I moved away from my Mexican little border town that I realized that

people were going to treat me the way that they thought I should be treated based on their assumptions on who I am.

Meaning that

if they were unfamiliar with me, they would ask me a lot of tropey, stereotypical, offensive questions that I would have to answer because they wanted to get to know me.

What kind of questions?

They wanted to know how I was smart.

How could that be possible?

Yeah, people thought I was lying about how poor I grew up because I spoke so well.

Let me stop you for a second.

Is that because you watched so much TV when you were a kid?

You had to stay home.

TV was your friend.

Music was your friend.

You learned a lot about America from TV.

Is that where you learned like this perfect English, no accent kind of sound?

My mom had this rule.

My mom was a Spanish speaker, never spoke English.

She had a rule at home.

We couldn't speak English at home.

We had to speak Spanish so that she knew she could understand everything that was being said in the house.

Having said that, when I was a kid, I loved TV so much, I started imitating what I heard on TV, the voices, the accents,

everything.

That's how I learned English.

But when I was a kid, I loved shows like Murphy Brown.

I don't know why.

And I think the closest thing that I could understand is my mom used to make me translate the news to her as a little kid.

So when I was a little kid, I'm translating all of these these big things, these big ideas to my mom.

So I think that when I watched Murphy Brown, I recognized some of the names from the news and it made me feel smart.

It's like, like this kind of comedy, the words, the vocabulary.

I was a big word nerd.

I did all the spelling bees, you know,

I did the scripts, spelling bee, like the regional when I was in fifth grade.

I love vocabulary and I just liked learning.

I was a big public library person.

I would go to the library.

That's how I spent my summer vacations when I was a kid.

I would go to the public library and read because it was free.

So, your mother told you that dreams were for people with money, and you didn't have any.

So, I want to play another clip of your comedy.

And this is about your dreams and your fantasies.

And it's from your first Netflix comedy special called Lower Classy.

When I was in fourth grade, I realized I was poor because I was a really big fan of new kids on the block.

Loved them, right?

I couldn't afford to see them in concert, right?

So I had this fantasy when I was a kid, you know, that I was going to meet them and they were going to fall in love with me, right?

No joke, you guys, this was the fantasy.

Fourth grade.

I was going to be the maid on their tour bus.

And I was going to clean things so good

that they were going to fall in love with me.

Like in my head, I thought they were going to get on the tour bus and they were going to be like, oh my god, who made that bed right there?

You know what I mean?

Oh my God.

This tour bus is so clean.

Who made that bed right there?

Who made that bed right there?

Who made that bed right there?

You know?

Like, yes.

Yes.

And then I would say, I made that bed.

And they would be like, we love you now.

And I'm like, ah!

That was it.

That was in fourth grade.

Then 20 years later, I thought about that story.

I looked back and I was thinking, why the f is I am made in my own fantasy?

Like even in my fantasy, I can't give Latinos better jobs

And then I started thinking about it.

And you know why?

It's because a lot of the women I knew that's what they did for a living.

They cooked at restaurants, they cleaned houses, they came here and had those jobs to get a better life so that their kids didn't have to do those jobs.

And when I understood that, I realized that as a woman, I wanted to break that glass ceiling, you know?

But as a Mexican, I want to clean that s too.

You know what I mean?

So that's my guest, Crystella Alonzo, from her first comedy special, Lower Classy.

Her new comedy special on Netflix is called Upper Classy.

So that's a really, really funny and really, really

revealing clip.

But you did have a dream, like a real dream.

Your dream was to be in theater.

I did.

How did you discover it?

I was in choir in junior high.

The school got the choir program defunded,

so I had to switch.

I wanted to do something in the arts still.

So, eighth grade, I switched over to theater.

I had this like really basic acting class.

My teacher, Mr.

Honnell,

had this exercise.

It's very chorus-like.

You know, he's like, I want everybody to pick an appliance and that they're going to act out.

They're going to pretend to be.

And then when I say go, you're going to act out that appliance, make the noise of it, blah, blah, blah.

And he said that, and I didn't do anything because I thought it was so ridiculous.

And then he came over to me and he's like, why aren't you doing it?

And I'm like, I am.

I'm a vacuum cleaner and I'm broken.

And literally the next day, I get called in to the office, the principal's office.

and the principal tells me that my drama teacher, Mr.

Honnell, has changed my schedule to put me into this advanced theater class.

I had no idea what that was.

Got so upset, went to him, went to his room, got so upset because my best friend and I were going to have different lunch periods, and that made me furious.

He was like,

you need to do this.

He's like,

you have to do this.

I need you to do this.

Yes, it was.

You were basically doing nothing.

You were refusing to do his assignment, and you found out a great

cover story for that, a great disguise for that.

And he thinks that you should be doing more theater as a result.

And we're still friends.

Wow.

He actually, he went to the taping of my first special.

You are lucky.

Yeah.

I am very grateful.

The teachers, my drama teachers, I am very grateful for.

I'm still friends with them.

I've always said it's like without Mr.

Honel, I don't know what I would have done.

So did you want to be in music theater?

Yes.

Oh my God.

Yes.

I wanted it so much.

Couldn't afford dance classes, couldn't afford singing lessons.

So I took it upon myself to just record movies that I could get off the TV on my VCR.

I'd learned their dances.

Then, when I got to high school and started, you know, auditioning for college, they were like, oh, you can sing.

And I was like, I can?

I had no idea.

And yes, I wanted to be on Broadway.

So eventually you started doing comedy shows.

You

did college tours, doing comedy at colleges around the country.

And you eventually had enough money that you could buy things.

Yes.

You were amazed you would be able to see like doctors.

I had no idea how doctors worked.

I really didn't.

I had no idea.

I had a great story that you could.

You have a gynecologist and you have no idea

what part of your body she's about to examine i had no idea embarrassed and let me tell you it's it's i grew up in the kind of family where it's not the kind of conversation you have with i had with my sister my sister and i wouldn't talk about that we were raised so conservative that we never talked about like ob gyns she had three children it's like i almost didn't know how she had them like you know what i mean it was like

it's like that thing where we just didn't talk about it medical attention is such a luxury to so many people i I had to learn how to work with it, how to deal with it.

I say it in the last special, like, I didn't know what a checkup was.

Like, why would you go to a doctor when you're not sick?

Like, people just go.

It was such a foreign concept.

But yeah, you know, I started having money where I could put my bills on autopay.

I could go to the doctor.

I could buy a car.

I bought a new car like 10 years ago.

How?

How was I able to do all of this stuff?

I was always so grateful for the most basic things that I couldn't afford when I was a kid.

I still go through that.

Yeah.

Well, Cristella, it's really been a pleasure talking with you.

Thank you so much.

Thank you so much for having me.

I really enjoyed it.

Crystella Alonso's new Netflix comedy special is called Upper Classy.

It's a follow-up to her first two Netflix specials: Lower Classy and Middle Classy.

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