Guest episode: Montréal by Not Lost

Speaker 1 Hello, Gastropod listeners. We have something special for you today.
It's the first episode of a brand new podcast called Not Lost from our friends at Pushkin Industries.

Speaker 1 It's hosted by Brendan Francis Newnham. You might remember him as I do as the former co-host of the show Dinner Party Download.

Speaker 2 Brendan's new show is all about how food and travel intersect and affect how we see ourselves and the world around us.

Speaker 2 Each week, he takes listeners around the world to learn about new places by getting invited to a stranger's house for dinner.

Speaker 2 Yep, part of the whole premise is that he has to try to get someone he doesn't know to invite him over to share a meal. And in the process, he learns about their city firsthand.

Speaker 1 From Montreal to Mexico City, he's joined by guests to drink, dance, and eat, and they all learn as much about themselves as the places they visit.

Speaker 1 In the episode you're about to hear, Brendan and his friend and fellow traveler Danielle Henderson head to Quebec.

Speaker 1 They brave the icy streets of Montreal to learn about local history, listen to famed musicians, and tour the Jantalon market, where they discover a local pastry known as nuns' farts.

Speaker 2 One quick note: we know that some Gastropod listeners listen to the show with kids. If that's you, be warned.

Speaker 2 You might not think some of the conversations Brendan has with the people he travels with and meets are suitable for the youngest ears.

Speaker 1 Now get ready to fly up to Montreal and enjoy. You can travel the world and hear more episodes of Not Lost, wherever you get your podcasts.

Speaker 1 We'll be back with a fresh episode of Gastropod in two weeks.

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Speaker 6 What are you doing?

Speaker 10 I'm shaving my chin hairs.

Speaker 11 What is that thing?

Speaker 13 It looks like a little magic marker for princesses.

Speaker 14 It's like supposed to be used for bikini shaving.

Speaker 3 There were shaved.

Speaker 16 I didn't know that women have those.

Speaker 17 We have a lot of secrets, man.

Speaker 18 We've got a lot of tools in the tool belt.

Speaker 20 That's a tool for below the tool belt.

Speaker 18 Not in my case.

Speaker 4 Because when I go out of my house, I can actually see my chin hairs in a better mirror than the one I have in my house.

Speaker 18 And I'll hit up a hotel and I'll turn on the magnifying mirror and be like, oh, there's the forest of hairs. And I'll shave them off.

Speaker 24 This is the unvarnished travel show.

Speaker 22 I don't wear makeup but I will shave a chin here.

Speaker 27 This is not lost.

Speaker 29 You look amazing.

Speaker 18 All I wear is overalls and jumpsuits now.

Speaker 31 A travel show about going places to find yourself.

Speaker 33 Each week, a friend and I go to a new place and try to get invited to someone's house for dinner.

Speaker 35 I feel like you wore the turtle bike on purpose.

Speaker 37 That's been my signature moon.

Speaker 12 I'm Brendan Francis Newnham.

Speaker 39 Those boots are something else.

Speaker 37 And that's my friend Daniel Henderson.

Speaker 39 Those boots are all business.

Speaker 40 They're snow boots, man.

Speaker 41 We've just met up at Trudeau Airport.

Speaker 42 Just staring at the people coming out of the plane.

Speaker 43 They look Canadian.

Speaker 44 You'd think they would just look like us, but they don't.

Speaker 35 They look better. They look like they have health care.

Speaker 27 Episode one,

Speaker 45 Montreal.

Speaker 43 Look at it. I think tabs are this way.

Speaker 44 Monjour.

Speaker 43 See that?

Speaker 43 Oh my goodness.

Speaker 18 Oh my god. Freezing.

Speaker 22 Why did we come to Montreal in the dead of winter?

Speaker 40 Well, because most travel shows would come here in spring or fall.

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 49 I mean, you're talking to someone who flew in from Los Angeles.

Speaker 18 I have a bag with my Birkenstock sandals in it because that's what I was wearing this morning.

Speaker 50 But I wanted like authentic Montreal, man.

Speaker 3 Like, I think like this, this is what separates the Canadian wheat from the Canadian chaff.

Speaker 10 So, we need to establish on this ride that you're a TV writer.

Speaker 36 I am a

Speaker 53 like audio journalist person,

Speaker 51 and

Speaker 19 we're both single.

Speaker 16 We're on the wrong side of 35.

Speaker 54 We're looking for connection, creative meaning, a hand to hold in this mad mad world.

Speaker 16 What's up?

Speaker 55 My only plan was to get on a plane and show up.

Speaker 11 It's rad to see you, and I think we're gonna have fun.

Speaker 40 So, basically, I need to do this travel pod thing.

Speaker 11 We also have some people we're gonna meet.

Speaker 57 Very excited.

Speaker 31 And I would like to hopefully insinuate ourselves into someone's home to have dinner because I feel like that's the real way to meet them.

Speaker 18 When you say it like that, I can't imagine anyone else turning anyone turning us down.

Speaker 49 I'd like to insinuate myself into your home.

Speaker 59 I'm gonna switch mics, so don't say anything interesting.

Speaker 59 Where are you all from?

Speaker 61 I'm from LA.

Speaker 62 Okay. I'm from New York.

Speaker 61 Okay, so that, there is the Olympic Stadium. Yeah.
And you will see we are actually on an island, which is, yeah.

Speaker 10 Oh, I love it.

Speaker 61 Metrol is cool because we, you know, we are like Americans without the baggage.

Speaker 49 We can watch and kind of laugh

Speaker 25 because we're across the border, but we're the same.

Speaker 61 Like, you might even think I'm from Jersey.

Speaker 57 I thought you were from New Jersey.

Speaker 63 You know what I mean?

Speaker 58 That's what an Anglophone Quebecer sounds like.

Speaker 62 Can you say a quintessential Quebecer Anglophone sentence?

Speaker 61 All right, let's go get some Poutin.

Speaker 61 Oh, you try our smoked meat. All right, did you get some bagels yet?

Speaker 32 Yeah.

Speaker 62 What about if you're just talking to your family or friends on a Sunday?

Speaker 61 Well, since I have three teenagers, I don't talk much to them because they're teenagers. But here, you'll notice all the signs that we have around.

Speaker 61 They're all French, but if you notice, there will be some parts of it in English, but they have to be. This is a law, a third of the size.
We've got the

Speaker 61 Office de la Long Français, the French police. Yeah, go around and go into your establishment and measure your sign and make sure you're conforming.

Speaker 39 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 61 We've tried to secede from Canada. One time it was real close.
It was like, I think 49.51.

Speaker 25 It was like

Speaker 61 all the head offices and companies just up and left. And

Speaker 61 the wealth left. And so what remained was nice, beautiful, easy to live, lovable Montreal.
This is it. All right.
My tour has ended.

Speaker 61 I don't, but I'm Uber Daryl.

Speaker 61 I thank you, eh?

Speaker 34 Watch yourself on the ice.

Speaker 43 You're welcome to grab my arm here for these icy regions.

Speaker 14 Here's where it gets treacherous though because now it's snow on top of ice.

Speaker 24 I think you just have to walk like an old person your entire walk.

Speaker 14 I just want to point out that a small child ran past us like she was just walking on grass.

Speaker 18 Just fully ran past us while we take our old bones down this street.

Speaker 67 In my high school yearbook caption, I wrote a message to my unrequited crush.

Speaker 13 It said, Dear E, our artist loft in Canada waits.

Speaker 12 I'd never even been to Canada, or loft, but somehow I'd gotten this idea that it was a place for culture, romance, and affordable real estate.

Speaker 19 Three things I still long for.

Speaker 12 E's married now with two kids.

Speaker 12 But at least I made it to Canada.

Speaker 12 Albeit, in the dead of winter,

Speaker 36 with my friend.

Speaker 22 Oh my gosh, there's a cat cafe 10 feet from our door.

Speaker 67 That's insane. Danielle and I drop off our bags and head to the Museum of Fine Arts.

Speaker 12 As good a place as any to learn about Montreal's creative roots.

Speaker 69 So it was a city where it was like much more important to be a sculptor than a doctor. That is really cool, whatever that is.
I saw it last time I was here.

Speaker 69 My name is Heather O'Neal, and I'm a local Montreal author.

Speaker 48 These look kind of like Giacomettis, a little bit, right?

Speaker 66 Yeah.

Speaker 70 Like with the skinny, elongated limbs.

Speaker 69 This is Louis Archambeau. He has sculptures in parks too, I believe.
This is like such a style. I always liked it, but my dad would would try and show me like this is crap.

Speaker 14 I love the idea of him bringing you to all these works of public art just to point out how horrible they are.

Speaker 20 It's terrible.

Speaker 69 It's phony, phony.

Speaker 48 So we're making our way into the Quebec Arts Pavilion.

Speaker 60 You're not a historian, you're not responsible to explain all this to us.

Speaker 48 If you read anything, you encounter the quiet revolution.

Speaker 52 Is there a way to summarize that pretty quickly, the kind of what that was?

Speaker 10 All right, here I go.

Speaker 20 Okay.

Speaker 18 Do your worst. Do your worst.

Speaker 69 We'll just go to the 60s when it started. All the sort of good jobs in Montreal and all the executive jobs were held by English-speaking people.

Speaker 69 And a lot of the companies were, they were all owned by Anglophones and they would only give English-speaking citizens the jobs. And then what happened was there began to be a cultural movement where

Speaker 69 they decided we're just going to

Speaker 69 overthrow this predicament we're in.

Speaker 59 The French, like the lower class.

Speaker 69 Yeah, the lower class francophones were like this is just enough. One of the big movements was they

Speaker 69 made education all the universities free. So you ended up with this like massive class of young people who came from working class backgrounds but were incredibly educated.

Speaker 69 And so obviously that created like radical thinking.

Speaker 60 So we're in this permanent exhibit called the Age of the Manifesto. Do you recognize any of these?

Speaker 69 Oh yeah, this is Riopal, who yeah, is sort of our Jackson Pollock. He's incredibly well regarded in Quebec.
Isn't that cool?

Speaker 69 Even someone myself who came from as lower class as you get in the city, I still went to McGill University and had like a top-rate education and then was, you know, kind of thrown back on the street corner.

Speaker 69 And I was like, what do I do?

Speaker 69 I've just read a lot of Henry James. So there's this kind of irony and there's a humor when you're able to suddenly talk about your odd

Speaker 69 down and out predicament, but in the language of

Speaker 69 it. And so then everything kind of becomes like tongue-in-cheek and absurd, and you kind of have this Beckett-like feeling.

Speaker 18 That's a beautiful summation.

Speaker 20 Well, thanks so much for meeting us today. Oh, it was fun.

Speaker 53 What's going on tonight?

Speaker 36 What are you up to?

Speaker 46 Oh,

Speaker 69 I have a deadline.

Speaker 57 I'm asking because we're kind of trying to get invited to a dinner party

Speaker 64 because it's a place where you can genuinely get to know people instead of just being tourists, you know?

Speaker 69 I would love that, but I have like a chihuahua who is aggressive towards strangers.

Speaker 69 But it would just

Speaker 69 overwhelm him, I think. Okay.
I'm sorry. Like, that seems rude.

Speaker 20 I know you're just a bitch.

Speaker 51 Everyone said Canadians are nice, but apparently they're.

Speaker 69 No, but if you bring people, my dog's going to bite someone.

Speaker 36 okay that would not be a good outcome but you have health care for those people

Speaker 56 what is your dog's name hamlet

Speaker 18 i don't spend as much time thinking about how i'm gonna die alone when i'm traveling

Speaker 18 But I get to travel with someone I love.

Speaker 31 Oh, see, I love you too.

Speaker 11 And also, we get to eat as much.

Speaker 33 Very sincere.

Speaker 18 I love you too.

Speaker 16 Mike's a lot of therapy bills behind that you're so white i love it um it's nice it's nice to kind of it is nice to travel with buddy

Speaker 31 this is are we on saint laurent thank you

Speaker 59 when my last radio show ended fairly abruptly i was a little concerned about your mental health yeah i was i was a little bit lost you know i went from having this rad show where i spoke with Neil deGrasse Tyson and Scarlett Johansson to

Speaker 50 my deli guy being the only person I spoke to on any given day. Yeah.

Speaker 59 But now at this show, trying to get myself back out there.

Speaker 25 Dude, this is exciting.

Speaker 11 Let's play a game.

Speaker 53 Like, let's just name what comes to mind when we think of Montreal.

Speaker 54 I definitely think of Poutine.

Speaker 1 Of course.

Speaker 36 Leonard Cohen.

Speaker 39 I think of cute guys.

Speaker 15 They're everywhere.

Speaker 37 There is just that kind of French like undercurrent where you're like, ooh, la la.

Speaker 58 What is this, like an 80s perfume commercial? Please never say that to a woman here.

Speaker 16 I want her to say it to me.

Speaker 28 Oh God, I can't breathe.

Speaker 75 I can never remember who founded Montreal, whether it was Samuel de Champlain or Jacques Artier, but what a fucking idiot. Like, I mean, we're only a six-hour drive drive from New York.

Speaker 13 That's comedian, writer, actress, Trana Winter.

Speaker 13 We're at a restaurant called Lawrence, which is a fitting name.

Speaker 54 If this place was a human, it'd be that fancy kid who dresses like a carefree bohemian.

Speaker 38 Lawrence.

Speaker 67 I try and fail to tuck a napkin into my cashmere turtleneck.

Speaker 75 Montreal winters aren't all glamorous. It's really hard to be glamorous.

Speaker 42 It's hard to be glamorous with crampons on your boots.

Speaker 20 Yeah. Oh, here we go.

Speaker 77 That's cheers.

Speaker 37 What do you say? Shalon? Shalante. Santa.
Santa.

Speaker 10 But

Speaker 75 I love living here.

Speaker 11 Yeah, why do you love it here?

Speaker 75 It's the last remaining affordable North American metropolis.

Speaker 75 I live in a one-bedroom apartment, like smack in the middle of everything, and it's $600 a month. $600 Canadian.
So that's like $480 American.

Speaker 78 Yeah.

Speaker 75 The other thing that I love about it is just

Speaker 75 there's just this sexy vibe in Montreal, this pulse, this energy that I don't fully know how to articulate, but it's here.

Speaker 58 I've been horny since the minute I landed here.

Speaker 42 There is this sensuality to it.

Speaker 47 There is this kind of verb.

Speaker 42 And I don't, I just think like, oh, it's European, which is my catch-all term for any kind of those feelings.

Speaker 46 I'm sure that's part of it.

Speaker 75 I think part of it too is just it is a diversity, you know.

Speaker 75 But I don't think that's special anymore. That sort of seems to be, is it?

Speaker 14 when I travel alone as a black woman, I feel like that's something that I notice right away if I feel comfortable or not.

Speaker 15 Right.

Speaker 25 And there are still some places where I just don't.

Speaker 39 Right.

Speaker 42 For sharing it all. Thank you.

Speaker 79 On top you have a little salad of fresh tarrigan, belugal and chales and coins that's marinated. Enjoy.

Speaker 28 Thank you.

Speaker 78 Just looks so good.

Speaker 18 Well the thing that I like about it though, I feel like you're trying here.

Speaker 80 Like there's a cultural identity that people are not willing to just roll over and let things happen.

Speaker 75 Yeah, that's true, especially on the French side. The French side is very much about protecting their culture.
I actually just started to do comedy in French because I am bilingual.

Speaker 54 Is there different things that French people find funny?

Speaker 75 In Quebec, actually, there's something called l'Écale de l'Mour,

Speaker 75 which is comedy school, basically.

Speaker 78 Okay.

Speaker 75 Like 90% of French or francophone comedians in Quebec have gone through this school.

Speaker 42 Class one is like, did you ever notice?

Speaker 3 Right.

Speaker 47 It's like, yeah, that's your freshman year.

Speaker 75 And so there is kind of like this uniformity in terms of comedy style. So also out of necessity, there is this Quebec star system.

Speaker 75 Like Quebec has its own Hollywood that doesn't exist anywhere else because it can't exist anywhere else. It doesn't translate.

Speaker 75 But now that I've started performing in French, it's like that's become my new dream.

Speaker 20 You're going to be on a talent.

Speaker 58 I'm going to be part of like the Quebec star system. I'm like, that's...

Speaker 58 My dream has always been to make it just so I can be a has-been.

Speaker 42 What's it called if you never did anything to be washed up on?

Speaker 75 I never was, I guess.

Speaker 78 I never was.

Speaker 65 Yeah.

Speaker 49 You're not a has-been. You're never was.

Speaker 28 All right.

Speaker 5 Good, guys. This is your order.

Speaker 14 So I got divorced five years ago.

Speaker 14 And I met my ex-husband on an internet comic book forum in the late 90s.

Speaker 17 Oh, wow.

Speaker 14 And he was like my best friend and he was part of my memory and my heart and I lost that and I lost all of my confidence. I have not been on a date or been in a relationship since then.

Speaker 18 I have had sex once. No, twice.

Speaker 18 Twice.

Speaker 80 In the past four years.

Speaker 66 Oh really? Yeah.

Speaker 14 It's been very difficult to admit to myself that like I'm interested now

Speaker 4 in being with someone in a real way again, like sharing my life with them.

Speaker 57 Are you afraid to be?

Speaker 77 Oh, I think we all are vulnerable.

Speaker 75 Yeah, I'm not going to be able to do that. You're aware of vulnerability.

Speaker 42 I've known you for a while, and we've goofed around and traveled a lot. Like, you do have an appetite for just some freewheel and love.

Speaker 28 Freewheel? I was a lot.

Speaker 21 What appetite was like, Jim Henson in the 70s?

Speaker 66 So that you want to get laid,

Speaker 26 but also, you're such a, I don't know, you have such a nurturing instinct, and you're, you're, you're, you're one, I don't know, I'm not.

Speaker 22 I'm not afraid of that instinct because I don't want to take care of a man.

Speaker 14 And it sucks that the result of that is that I might have to be alone.

Speaker 75 Does that bother? Does the thought of being alone bother you though?

Speaker 17 No, me either.

Speaker 22 It doesn't bother me, it's only like when I want to get late and I can't, I don't know how people do it.

Speaker 78 It bothers me, bothers me.

Speaker 20 It does, yeah.

Speaker 50 Super into cuddling.

Speaker 20 I like, I like, I like cooking breakfast half naked, like that's a good thing.

Speaker 58 I feel like a dog would really take care of my like

Speaker 76 cuddling, affection.

Speaker 36 No,

Speaker 20 how's your drink? It's great.

Speaker 14 Got some gin and some lime and some booze.

Speaker 20 It's good.

Speaker 42 It looks like it got colder outside in the time we were eating.

Speaker 48 I'm a little scared. Yeah.

Speaker 75 But you know Montreal, like even in like the most insane winter weather, you can always count on one asshole to be on their bike still going.

Speaker 76 I'm telling you.

Speaker 75 In a blizzard. In a blizzard.

Speaker 20 In the weather.

Speaker 77 There must be career street sweepers here.

Speaker 42 Like there's so much snow, so long snow.

Speaker 75 Absolutely. And and as a warning before the plows come they have these tow trucks driving around blaring this insane siren oh

Speaker 76 it's not a cop siren it's not a fire truck it's its own unique it's a pre-plow get your car the fuck out of here siren

Speaker 17 so what are you doing this weekend what are the plans

Speaker 5 um

Speaker 75 I mean, my weekends are always kind of up in the air. As you know, I'm very non-committal.

Speaker 18 We're looking for a dinner party to go to.

Speaker 75 You're looking for a dinner party? party?

Speaker 75 I mean, I like you guys.

Speaker 75 Let's play it by ear.

Speaker 40 Is that the name of your next comedy album?

Speaker 82 Maybe. Maybe.
Yeah.

Speaker 68 0 for 2 in our dinner party search. Or rather, 0.5 for 2 since Trana did say maybe.

Speaker 68 Back at our lodgings, we brush our teeth, tuck ourselves in, and upload select photos to Instagram. Eventually, I drift off to sleep with dreams of $600 rent going through my head.

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Speaker 80 Oh my god, let's get coffee.

Speaker 46 Whoa.

Speaker 65 That is a style.

Speaker 13 That guy's got like a slicked back moose to ponytail.

Speaker 22 I mean, it is morning, and I'm surprisingly still still horny from Montreal.

Speaker 65 Monje, como sava.

Speaker 4 Saba, biétoir.

Speaker 10 All right.

Speaker 48 You showed me up. You speak French, I don't.

Speaker 37 May I have one of these with the feta?

Speaker 4 Yeah?

Speaker 43 Merci.

Speaker 18 And I will have a latte

Speaker 22 in your largest to-go cup.

Speaker 41 So today, we're going to go to the Jean-Toulam market, this food market, with this woman, Massam, who's a food blogger, because, you know, we got to to get our food 411 gotta get us some snacks but i was thinking to get started we should go to leonard cohen's home because he's the city's like favorite son is it a museum now or that he's dead or is it just this house it's not a museum and it's kind of i'm not even 100 positive where it is it's like i know it's on this parc de portugal

Speaker 71 i don't know i just feel like there might be a clue for me up there yeah i mean you have to go with your heart go where your heart leads you my heart is leading me to get a massage on a boat really Because I think it gets you into the spirit of.

Speaker 17 Well, I don't know. I was going to bullshit something about how it gets you to the spirit of the city, but it's just entirely selfish and I like feeling good.

Speaker 3 All right, well, I'm just going to take off, I guess. I feel weird abandoning you at this stage of the game.

Speaker 39 Look, we're both adults. I'm going to let you go stand outside Leonard Cohen's house like a creep, and I'm going to go get a massage.

Speaker 16 All right, I'll let you know how it goes.

Speaker 71 And if you get arrested, I'll bail you out.

Speaker 28 Thank you.

Speaker 44 Excuse me.

Speaker 63 Pordant.

Speaker 66 I'm looking for Leonard Cohen's house.

Speaker 51 Cohen,

Speaker 54 I'm looking for...

Speaker 3 Excuse me?

Speaker 85 Dienvenora Bota Bota. Welcome to Bota Bota.
Is it your first time here? It is.

Speaker 25 Wonderful.

Speaker 85 Well, welcome.

Speaker 4 I'm very excited to see what a spa on a river has to offer.

Speaker 85 And it's so wonderful because the Sunday round.

Speaker 41 I think it's like Parc de Portugal or something.

Speaker 35 Oh yeah, you just have to like keep walking a little bit, turn right and head up a few blocks and you'll get the river.

Speaker 53 Alright, but there's not like a sign or anything that says that's where you used to live?

Speaker 44 No, no, no. Okay.

Speaker 48 It's fucking freezing out here.

Speaker 85 This is one of our saunas.

Speaker 22 Lord of ceiling windows looking over the port?

Speaker 85 This is unreal.

Speaker 4 Jacuzzi hot tubs, we call them béin remou.

Speaker 25 I cannot get over this.

Speaker 83 And this is filled with eucalyptus normally.

Speaker 58 I want to live in this.

Speaker 85 We're going to head down to the first deck and go for your massage.

Speaker 58 I'm ready.

Speaker 69 I'm going to pass you off to Janine and you're in the back tab.

Speaker 5 Oh, fuck.

Speaker 65 Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 55 You're a very gentle touch.

Speaker 86 I'm going through the scar tissue because we have scar tissue that builds up in muscles that are over-solicited.

Speaker 55 You use your body in different ways in such extreme temperatures. And so I'm wondering if that contributes to you seeing certain types of ailments over and over again.

Speaker 86 What I see a lot of is definitely low back, more low back

Speaker 86 tension, which crawls up front because we're huddled. You know, we're trying to keep ourselves warm.

Speaker 86 We're trying to keep centered so that we can navigate the ice and the snow and the slush and the puddles and the roads.

Speaker 86 It's really the march of the penguins in the winter here.

Speaker 86 I mean, and you're going to see that today, and you guys are going to giggle to yourselves, and you're going to say, Yeah, there's the penguins, yeah, I see them.

Speaker 86 You know, and it's because we're so afraid to fall

Speaker 87 like a bird on the wire,

Speaker 70 like a drunk in the midnight choir,

Speaker 87 I have tried in my my way

Speaker 13 to be free.

Speaker 82 Thank you.

Speaker 46 Well,

Speaker 44 this is it.

Speaker 64 Just a gray stone

Speaker 63 one, two, three

Speaker 36 triplex.

Speaker 60 Pretty nondescript.

Speaker 40 You know, he sang about religion and sex and

Speaker 19 poets and history, and it's weird just to see a gray house on a little park with a Honda Civic parked out front of it.

Speaker 53 Not really sure why I thought it was so important to come here.

Speaker 53 Alright.

Speaker 48 It's icy, it's cold,

Speaker 48 And I think

Speaker 48 that's the bagel place he would go to.

Speaker 55 It's kind of strange to realize how powerful a healing touch can be.

Speaker 55 Because I don't date. I don't kind of like engage in that way anymore.

Speaker 20 And so.

Speaker 86 I was alone for 13 years after my divorce. And I met someone.
What I came to understand about myself is what stops me from dating is how well can I hide my wounds.

Speaker 46 Right.

Speaker 86 So, my you know, current partner and I, we decided our the philosophy of our relationship is no masks, full disclosure. So, I think it's about really deciding to

Speaker 86 have that level of honesty within yourself and the trusting. But when you've had trauma, trust is so

Speaker 86 fragile. Yeah.

Speaker 55 So,

Speaker 55 so one of my

Speaker 55 big trauma is that my mom left.

Speaker 55 She dropped us off at my grandparents' house for a weekend and then never came back.

Speaker 55 And the person who's supposed to love you unconditionally leaves and that will mess you up.

Speaker 86 Well, because

Speaker 86 you're always asking yourself, what did I do wrong?

Speaker 10 Right.

Speaker 55 And will I do something wrong again?

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 55 But what will I do to make someone leave? Because

Speaker 55 the assumption is that somebody will always leave.

Speaker 86 A lot of tension in your calves. Yeah.

Speaker 86 But you spoke of your herniated disc, so I'm going to soften and warm that up for you so when you go out and do the March of the Penguins,

Speaker 86 you're going to feel a little more ease in your body.

Speaker 39 Thank you.

Speaker 55 So, Janine, what are you up to this weekend?

Speaker 18 Because,

Speaker 55 you know, Brendan and I are in town and we're kind of looking for dinner dinner parties. He's making me ask everyone if we can eat at their house, basically.

Speaker 86 Oh, well, that's unfortunate. I would love to normally have you eat at my house.
However, I am going off for a macro.

Speaker 11 Can I just get a

Speaker 78 bagel with locks?

Speaker 36 Mercy.

Speaker 54 Visiting town?

Speaker 16 How do you know I'm visiting?

Speaker 88 Guidebook's kind of a giveaway. Let me guess.
Leonard Cohen's house?

Speaker 48 It doesn't even have a plaque.

Speaker 16 I just feel like if that was in America, there would be an amusement park around, like a Suzanne roller coaster.

Speaker 88 Like Leonard Wood.

Speaker 65 Yeah.

Speaker 67 They would be selling like my blue raincoats or something for toddlers.

Speaker 59 Right.

Speaker 89 Maybe that's a good idea.

Speaker 88 I'm going to get in on that.

Speaker 16 Yeah. I'm Brendan, by the way.

Speaker 40 Brendan Francis Newnham.

Speaker 48 I'm doing a travel podcast thing here.

Speaker 88 Oh, okay. I'm Tim Kingsbury, and I live in the neighborhood.

Speaker 28 Cool.

Speaker 40 I used to have this podcast you might have heard of called the Dinner Party Download.

Speaker 73 Well, I don't know that one.

Speaker 20 Okay.

Speaker 60 Yeah, I mean, it was mostly America.

Speaker 51 Are you a fan of Cohen?

Speaker 78 Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 12 Like, I moved here just to play music myself, actually. Oh, you're a musician?

Speaker 19 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 46 Alright.

Speaker 67 What kind of hold does he have on kind of Montreal, like his imagination?

Speaker 89 He's everywhere.

Speaker 88 There's like a big mural downtown since he passed away and everyone's got a Leonard Cohen story or

Speaker 89 he's everywhere.

Speaker 40 Do you have a Leonard Cohen story?

Speaker 88 I used to work at a grocery store just down the road called Warshaw and I was like a bag boy there and he came in one time and bought some bananas.

Speaker 37 Just bananas?

Speaker 89 I think there were bagels too.

Speaker 40 That sounds very Freudian actually.

Speaker 31 That's what I imagine Leonard Cohen was.

Speaker 20 Yeah.

Speaker 89 No, I remember he was he thought they were overpriced and he was right they were

Speaker 88 nice nice talking to you. I gotta get going.

Speaker 53 Oh by the way, what what's the name of the band you're in?

Speaker 78 Uh Arcade Fire?

Speaker 78 I'll go check out the problem.

Speaker 47 Is there anything going on tonight?

Speaker 46 Uh

Speaker 88 I think I'm actually getting out of town and I'm gonna go up north.

Speaker 37 Um maybe are your friends doing it?

Speaker 47 Like are your friends doing anything? Like they're out?

Speaker 88 Uh yeah, they're probably doing something.

Speaker 5 There you are.

Speaker 89 Thank you.

Speaker 89 Thanks.

Speaker 12 Thank you so much for driving us here.

Speaker 30 We're getting dropped off at the city's biggest food market.

Speaker 41 What should we eat there?

Speaker 90 Everything. You can taste everything for free, in fact.
And if you like it, you could buy it.

Speaker 65 Thank you, Carrie.

Speaker 67 Maybe buying provisions for a dinner party will induce a dinner party.

Speaker 40 Maison. Hi.

Speaker 66 I'm from Claire. Nice to meet you.

Speaker 4 Hey, I'm Danielle. Nice to meet you, Maison.

Speaker 83 Welcome to the Jean-Talon market.

Speaker 83 A lot of markets in North America these days have become sort of a tourist attraction. They sell a lot of stuff that's not really food.
They sell t-shirts and souvenirs and caps.

Speaker 83 Whereas this market, it's just food.

Speaker 40 Although we might want to come up with a t-shirt idea while we're here and we can can make some money.

Speaker 18 You can't ruin the spirit of this place. That's so American.

Speaker 24 Get your jean talon.

Speaker 63 No.

Speaker 20 No. No.

Speaker 83 Pavé de sommon fondant. Delicious.
I'm addicted to it.

Speaker 56 Three of these.

Speaker 36 Yeah?

Speaker 83 The Chocolate Jean-Vievre Grambois is the most famous chocolate makers in Montreal.

Speaker 17 Just get a jar of chocolate sauce.

Speaker 18 We're going to make friends. It's the best way.

Speaker 83 Four generations of foragers, so his mother, his grandmother, and her mother before that. Pierre Quenui.

Speaker 83 Cattail. Organic honey.

Speaker 83 Actually, we're standing standing right in front of one of my favorite stores rice store that's for you and your white people spice it up white folks let's do it macarons with foie gras inside that seems like a French stoner food it's really really good I already take this whole tray with me how about we buy some instead of you taking the sample tray can I do both

Speaker 35 you have such a distinguished smartphone

Speaker 40 commenting on this gentleman's eyebrow yeah he's got a beautiful face what are you doing later tonight my friend is visiting

Speaker 83 then you have the tortilla which is a typical meat pie in Quebec.

Speaker 64 What is the quintessential food Montreal besides poutine?

Speaker 42 Bagels. Yes.
Besides bagels.

Speaker 20 Meat?

Speaker 83 Maple anything.

Speaker 4 All right, here we go.

Speaker 83 What is she trying? She's trying a maple tart.

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Speaker 20 What are these here, right?

Speaker 83 They're pet d'oece, which literally translated as nuns farts.

Speaker 29 Why did I ask?

Speaker 83 Pie dough with butter and brown sugar, and they put

Speaker 83 some cream on top before cooking it.

Speaker 40 What does that have to do with nuns?

Speaker 83 I don't know. Why do they call it coquel?

Speaker 83 It was was invented, it was created by nuns. Like they were trying to find something to do with the leftovers, nuns' farts.

Speaker 11 That's so upsetting, but I appreciate it.

Speaker 37 Very sensitive.

Speaker 33 So, Mazam, thank you so much for showing us the market.

Speaker 83 It's been fun hanging out with you.

Speaker 22 Now that we've got all these snacks, do you want to hang out with us tonight?

Speaker 4 Maybe throw a dinner party in our honor.

Speaker 51 Worst case scenario, you and me at our Airbnb.

Speaker 49 If we don't find a dinner party, I'm gonna go out to a restaurant.

Speaker 12 I mean, you hit on the cheese boy.

Speaker 21 I didn't hit on him. I said I had an interesting face, and then you were like, what are you doing tonight?

Speaker 34 He was into it.

Speaker 10 La la.

Speaker 66 Though.

Speaker 12 It's almost 4 p.m. and Montreal's winter sun is already beginning to set.
And our prospects for a dinner party are dimming as well.

Speaker 12 Back at our place, things go from la bad to la worse. Danielle's back seizes up, and she might have to abandon our mission altogether.

Speaker 41 As I sit at the kitchen table, nibbling on a nunfart, it strikes me it's going to take a miracle to turn things around.

Speaker 19 And where do miracles reside?

Speaker 74 Well, Mark Twain said when he visited Montreal, you couldn't throw a brick in this town without breaking a church window.

Speaker 13 I'm with Mark Ellsworthy.

Speaker 30 an architecture buff who works with the local Ministry of Heritage.

Speaker 74 So right now we're in the Notre-Dame de Bonsecourt chapel.

Speaker 77 It's the oldest

Speaker 74 look dates to the 19th century.

Speaker 45 They call it the Sailor's Church.

Speaker 59 And my eye is going immediately to these wonderful boats that are hanging with candles.

Speaker 74 Yeah. There's even a cargo ship with containers on it.

Speaker 10 Oh yeah, that is a cargo ship.

Speaker 60 And so they have two candles in each of them, green candles.

Speaker 48 Like I kind of want to...

Speaker 60 I'm not going to steal one, but...

Speaker 74 Well, I would hope not. But they feel like someone...
It's still from church.

Speaker 60 But can we Instagram it and then start a shop that sells them?

Speaker 74 I don't know. I feel even bad taking pictures in churches.

Speaker 53 No, okay.

Speaker 24 You know, a harbor town is considered usually honky-punk, like red-light district, and certainly in the prohibition, Montreal serve that role to this day, maybe with Americans.

Speaker 53 But there's so many churches, it's interesting that there's this.

Speaker 73 Quebecers are interesting.

Speaker 74 On the census, they all still fell out that they're Roman Catholic, and Quebec has the lowest church attendance in Canada. Church is really tied into identity, but not practice.

Speaker 73 People don't come to the church.

Speaker 74 They may have been for grandma's funeral a while back, or maybe not, or But no one does baptisms. People don't get married in church.

Speaker 11 Are there any other facets of this chapel

Speaker 16 that you like or that you want to point out?

Speaker 74 Well, we have to light a candle for someone. Oh, my God.
Light a candle.

Speaker 59 Actually, we should. Okay.

Speaker 74 We could light a candle for back pain to go away.

Speaker 53 Yeah, for Danielle, who's suffering a little bit.

Speaker 59 Okay, good thought.

Speaker 10 There we are.

Speaker 74 There we are, a moment.

Speaker 48 I usually only light candles at romantic dinners, but here

Speaker 74 it could lead to a romantic dinner. Nobody knows.

Speaker 10 It could

Speaker 30 I just felt a pang of Catholic guilt.

Speaker 48 When I lit that candle, I did not light the candle for Danielle's back.

Speaker 52 I lit the candle because

Speaker 53 we need to find a place to eat tonight because the whole point of this show was for us to learn about the town, but to then get into someone's home to kind of have a true authentic experience.

Speaker 36 And so far, we've had a lot of people who are very friendly.

Speaker 87 But when I've asked them that question, they've been like, oh, maybe contact us later.

Speaker 53 And I promised the company paying for this that I'm going to get in someone's home.

Speaker 56 What do you think?

Speaker 40 It's Saturday night.

Speaker 37 Even if you just let us in for 10 minutes, could we just eat food?

Speaker 74 After lying in church, you want to come to my house?

Speaker 72 I'm confessing to you, and that's what I wish for when I lit the candle.

Speaker 59 So if there is a God.

Speaker 74 You got me on that one.

Speaker 74 Okay, well.

Speaker 74 Can I I borrow your phone? And then I'll just call my husband to see.

Speaker 10 Okay.

Speaker 57 I think

Speaker 74 my roaming can be paying. I love that you're paying roaming.

Speaker 10 Just a second.

Speaker 48 This is penance.

Speaker 10 Hello.

Speaker 10 Le um

Speaker 74 agendole, de question.

Speaker 74 Escote, pinsque sacre bizarre d'aboo de person de pleus au s pé

Speaker 10 mais méton

Speaker 74 que vent pétêtam nes plain

Speaker 74 So, you have to do the dishes and bring wine.

Speaker 23 Are you serious? Yeah. He's down?

Speaker 74 Well, I didn't really give him much choice.

Speaker 57 Yes.

Speaker 72 Thank you so much.

Speaker 44 This is amazing. Not going to regret this.
Promise.

Speaker 66 Hello, come on in.

Speaker 43 Are you, Mark?

Speaker 29 I am.

Speaker 28 Welcome. Hello.

Speaker 5 Hey. How are you?

Speaker 65 Good, you.

Speaker 78 Should I just throw this over here?

Speaker 28 Hello.

Speaker 86 Thanks so much for showing up.

Speaker 65 Hi, I'm trying.

Speaker 39 Have you met Louis, whose beautiful house?

Speaker 66 Half of a couple of his beautiful houses.

Speaker 63 Hi.

Speaker 63 Hey, hello. This is the place.

Speaker 43 I really didn't think anyone we talked to today was going to come.

Speaker 28 I love a surprise.

Speaker 4 Would you like some wine?

Speaker 66 Sure.

Speaker 66 Triple Gemini?

Speaker 75 Like Haile Minaug.

Speaker 69 Some sculptor who was also dating the Leonard Cohen Suzanne.

Speaker 25 There are Francophone community elsewhere in Canada.

Speaker 29 Oh, that is the salmon.

Speaker 24 We bought that at the Quebec Wai store where Danielle hit on the cheese motor.

Speaker 66 It's the hottest city in North America.

Speaker 65 Very handsome. Everyone's handsome.

Speaker 28 Your husband's handsome.

Speaker 66 Everyone's handsome.

Speaker 43 But you were drinking the Pinot Noir, right?

Speaker 63 Oh, we found something.

Speaker 28 That's a Saturday night for me.

Speaker 76 Okay, this isn't really get more Montreal than like listening to Celine after like a dinner party and like

Speaker 28 the thing about

Speaker 33 it. Someone didn't pay their title bill.

Speaker 44 So I hope you guys have learned the vlog.

Speaker 15 Never leaving is what I'm learning.

Speaker 63 Let's say good job

Speaker 32 to this

Speaker 49 podcast.

Speaker 20 Thank you for letting us read your album.

Speaker 25 It's not loud enough.

Speaker 75 Okay, the chorus is literally just voyage, voyage.

Speaker 39 So you can both sing along. Are you ready?

Speaker 66 Hit it.

Speaker 39 Buayage, voyage.

Speaker 39 Travel, travel, voayage, voyage.

Speaker 61 This should be your theme song.

Speaker 39 Travel, travel.

Speaker 5 fire.

Speaker 25 We're driving up, but you can walk up as well.

Speaker 61 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 25 I mean, it's a bit cold, and you know, you gotta be kind of entering.

Speaker 62 I mean, we're also we're also to be fair hung over right now.

Speaker 10 Well, that's right.

Speaker 61 That doesn't help, but this street will wind us up

Speaker 61 to the top of the mountain.

Speaker 54 So, do people actually come to Mount Royal who live here?

Speaker 25 Love it.

Speaker 61 It is, I guess, would be like our central park, but it's on a mountain. People are cross-country skiing,

Speaker 61 snowshoeing.

Speaker 61 We have a skating rink on the top now we're looking to the east side of the city

Speaker 61 the lookout is that way okay cool thank you there

Speaker 37 be careful on the ice

Speaker 62 oh look at that I've never seen a snowshoe in action oh yeah

Speaker 44 what a weekend like that we did a lot we did a lot

Speaker 4 We were talking about coming as we were coming into the city kind of like our love lives and romance and all this stuff and I think I'm much more likely to fall in love with a place than I am with a person.

Speaker 62 That's interesting.

Speaker 11 There it is. There's the city that you love.

Speaker 42 We're looking at the downtown, the St.

Speaker 50 Lawrence River.

Speaker 18 Look at Leonard Cohen down there.

Speaker 20 You see him?

Speaker 39 Yeah, there's literally a mural of Leonard Cohen down there.

Speaker 20 Oh my God.

Speaker 31 I thought you saw an apparition.

Speaker 11 When I was at that Leonard Cohen house, which

Speaker 52 I honestly did meet a member of Arcade Fire. You have to believe me.

Speaker 18 I don't, but it's fine.

Speaker 32 I'll play you the tape later.

Speaker 22 If you need that story to get through the weekend, that's fine.

Speaker 62 Being there, honestly, like I'm glad I saw the house, but actually, the fact that it was really not that exciting and anticlimactic in the sense that it was just someone's home.

Speaker 52 This is going to sound corny, but obviously I've been thinking a lot about like being an artist or being more creative with my old show ending. And

Speaker 52 there's no magical properties to it. Like even Leonard Cohen just lived in a house and bought bananas.
And it's more about just doing the work and getting it into the world, you know?

Speaker 52 But it's not like me living a certain way will make me Leonard Cohen or something.

Speaker 4 Oh, that's always been the key, though. You know that.

Speaker 52 Well, I mean, I'm just pretending to learn it now for this show.

Speaker 62 I think it is crazy that Leonard Cohen is staring directly at us.

Speaker 49 I think it's crazy that you thought I was talking about a ghost.

Speaker 40 Honestly, we didn't go over this, but marijuana is legal here now, and last night did run pretty long.

Speaker 44 No comment.

Speaker 42 You know what I think about when I look in the skyline now?

Speaker 1 What's that?

Speaker 20 Voyage, Voyage.

Speaker 22 You are not only changing.

Speaker 29 Voyage, Voyage.

Speaker 15 But you're singing it really poorly?

Speaker 29 Voyage, voyage.

Speaker 39 I'm going to walk that way.

Speaker 20 Voyage, voyage.

Speaker 36 I feel free here now.

Speaker 11 I think we'll just fade the real song into my singing and people won't notice it.

Speaker 20 I think it's I'm gonna try to find another story.

Speaker 41 The lead producer on this The Pilot episode of Not Lost Lost was the talented Crystal Duhaim. The show was also produced and written by me, Brendan Francis Newnham.

Speaker 27 Our associate producer was Jackson Musker.

Speaker 30 Special editorial guidance came from Mira Burt Wintock.

Speaker 27 The show was sound designed and mixed by Crystal Duhaim and mastered by Hannes Brown.

Speaker 64 A big thanks to my friend and this episode's travel partner, Danielle Henderson.

Speaker 67 I highly recommend you check out her memoir, The Ugly Cry.

Speaker 34 Not Lost is a co-production of Pushkin Industries, Topic Studios, and iHeartMedia. It was developed at Topic Studios.

Speaker 41 The show's executive producers are me, Christy Gressman, Maria Zuckerman, Lisa Leingang, and Latale Malad.

Speaker 13 Production assistants on this episode also came from Jacob Smith, Amy Gaines, and Julia Barton.

Speaker 30 Our theme song was created by Alexis Georgopoulos, aka ARP.

Speaker 41 Voyage Voyage appeared courtesy of Desireless.

Speaker 30 Note, this show was recorded before the pandemic, so a big mercy to everyone we met up with in Montreal.

Speaker 41 Writer Heather O'Neill, whose new book, When We Lost Our Heads, is out now. Comedian Trana Winter, the staff at Boda Boda Spa.

Speaker 67 Tim Kingsbury of Arcade Fire, fact-checked that one and he wasn't lying.

Speaker 41 Also food blogger Mesam Samaha, and our dinner party hosts, Mark and Louie.

Speaker 33 If you want to peek at our itinerary or learn about any of our guests, head to notlostshow.com.

Speaker 54 And if anyone from the Canadian government is listening to this and they have the power to grant me citizenship, be in touch.

Speaker 41 Oh, and here's a trip we'd like you to take from the comfort of your own phone or computer.

Speaker 67 Please head to Apple Podcasts and rate and review us.

Speaker 45 I know you hear it a lot, but it's a real thing.

Speaker 12 It would mean so much.

Speaker 34 Learn more about Topic Studios at topicstudios.com.

Speaker 3 To find more Pushkin podcasts, listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

Speaker 40 I'm Brendan Francis Newnham.

Speaker 37 Until next time, Bon Voyage.

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