Relatives of Israeli hostages prepare for their release
Anticipation is growing in Hostages Square in Tel Aviv where families and friends of the remaining Israeli hostages have gathered ahead of their expected release by Hamas after two years of captivity in Gaza. Around twenty of them are thought to still be alive. As part of an exchange Israel will free nearly two-thousand Palestinian prisoners under the terms of the ceasefire deal brokered by the Trump administration. The US president, who is travelling to Israel, has said that he believes the ceasefire in Gaza will hold and that the war is over. Also: the leader of an elite army unit in Madagascar that sided with demonstrators against the president has been sworn in as the chief of the country's armed forces, leading to talk of a possible coup; how the temperature of your nose can determine your stress levels; and the actor, Tom Hollander, tells the BBC that live performance is crucial in fighting the growing use of AI on screen.
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Speaker 4 This is the Global News Podcast from the BBC World Service.
Speaker 4 I'm Alex Ritson and in the early hours of Monday, October the 13th, these are our main stories. The remaining Israeli hostages are due to be released from Gaza shortly as part of a US-brokered deal.
Speaker 4 In exchange, Israel is expected to free nearly 2,000 Palestinian prisoners. Fears are growing of a military coup in the Indian Ocean island of Madagascar.
Speaker 4 Also in this podcast, how the temperature of your nose can determine your stress levels.
Speaker 4 We hear about a new scientific expedition to the Antarctic and actor Tom Hollander says live performance is crucial in fighting the growing use of AI on screen.
Speaker 6 AI is trying to achieve perfection the whole time and what the real world will have on its side, imperfection and mistakes, which is why live performance will become more and more valuable.
Speaker 4 We begin in Hostages Square in Tel Aviv.
Speaker 4 As we record this podcast, large crowds, many draped in Israeli flags, have gathered for the long-awaited homecoming of the remaining 48 hostages.
Speaker 4 About 20 of those taken by Hamas two years ago are thought to still be alive and will be reunited with their families very soon if the terms of the U.S. brokered deal are honoured.
Speaker 4 These women are among the crowds.
Speaker 8 We are here because we are very excited and we are here because we are waiting in anticipation for our people to come back.
Speaker 10 I'm not happy with the deal, but the most important thing is to get those hostages back. They've been in hell.
Speaker 4 The Hamas-run Civil Defense Agency in Gaza says it's finished counting the living hostages and has transferred them to different locations where they'll be handed over to the Red Cross and then the Israeli army.
Speaker 4 Once they cross over the border, Israel will free nearly 2,000 Palestinian prisoners, including women and children, and receive the remains of those who died in captivity.
Speaker 4 President Trump is on his way to Israel, where he'll address the Knesset before heading to Egypt for a peace conference. Boarding Air Force One, he said the war is over.
Speaker 4 Israel does not allow the BBC to report freely from Gaza. Our international editor, Jeremy Bowen, is monitoring developments on both sides from Jerusalem.
Speaker 11 In Jerusalem, Israelis still enjoying the Jewish holidays had plenty to celebrate.
Speaker 13 Across the country, there's expectation and impatience to see the hostages free and the end of two years of war.
Speaker 13 But the hostage deal is not a peace agreement. Reservists have spent hundreds of days away from their families and jobs, and plenty of them are still in uniform.
Speaker 13 A queue formed outside the blood donor van, among them, Daniel.
Speaker 4 I mean, happy yesterday the hostages are coming out.
Speaker 15 I mean,
Speaker 15 against the background of how many are no longer with us.
Speaker 15 So it makes it very bittersweet.
Speaker 16 And why are you giving blood today?
Speaker 15 Well, we've got
Speaker 15 soldiers still in the
Speaker 15 in Gaza fighting for us, and
Speaker 15 blood's needed, so
Speaker 15 doing my duty.
Speaker 14 Israel could not have fought the way it has for two years without American power and protection.
Speaker 13 The Jerusalem municipality knows who to thank, draping its building with the stars and stripes.
Speaker 13 Israel's dependence meant Donald Trump could bulldoze through the hostage and ceasefire deal once he decided that continuing the war was harming America's interests.
Speaker 16 The hostage deal is a triumph for Donald Trump and there's been a lot of talk about whether or not he'll keep up the pressure, especially on Israel, to finish the job with his 20-point plan for the future of Gaza.
Speaker 16 Now, irrespective of whether he does or he doesn't, it's going to be very difficult and that's because The next items they've got to deal with, security in Gaza, governance, whether or not Hamas gives up its weapons, go to the very heart of how the Israeli government and Hamas see the future.
Speaker 16 The agenda is full of deal-breakers.
Speaker 13 This was Khan Yunis in Gaza, desperation after two years of death, destruction, and now famine.
Speaker 11 The UN says the only way to stop people grabbing what they can is to flood the Gaza Strip with aid, and Israel has agreed to let that happen.
Speaker 12 Prices have gone down but the food on sale is still too much for most people.
Speaker 12 Umnada says they just don't have money.
Speaker 11 People with nowhere to go are living in the streets.
Speaker 12 Nobody's helping them.
Speaker 20 Life's hard.
Speaker 11 In this world of rubble they're finding many more dead Palestinians in areas the Israelis left.
Speaker 13 Hamas believes it's part of the future here, insisting on keeping its weapons.
Speaker 11 Benjamin Netanyahu responded with a barely veiled threat in a TV address.
Speaker 17
Everywhere we fought, we won. But to the same extent, I must tell you, the campaign is not over.
There are still very significant security challenges ahead of us.
Speaker 17 Some of our enemies are trying to recover in order to attack us again. And as we say here, we are on it.
Speaker 21 Far away in the United States, President Trump has started his journey to Israel and Egypt.
Speaker 22 This is the first time everybody is amazed and they're thrilled and it's an honor to be involved and we're going to have an amazing time and it's going to be something that's never
Speaker 22 happened before.
Speaker 21 He's coming here to celebrate a diplomatic victory. To make the rest of his 20-point plan for Gaza a reality, he will need another.
Speaker 4 Jeremy Bowen. Since Friday, when the ceasefire between Israel and Hamas came into effect, hundreds of thousands of Gazans have been returning home.
Speaker 4 But in most areas, it's a scene of utter destruction. Many are digging through the rubble for missing relatives and have described seeing Israeli drones still hovering over the city.
Speaker 4 As the IDF begins withdrawing, there's been fighting between rival Palestinian factions. Twenty-seven people have been killed in fierce clashes between Hamas and an armed Klan in Gaza City.
Speaker 4 And the humanitarian situation across the Strip remains dire. UNRAS Tamara al-Rafai told us the promised surge of aid can't come soon enough.
Speaker 23 Humanitarian assistance has been manipulated during this conflict.
Speaker 23 So there has been very little food, clean water, fuel, medicines, tents, blankets, clothes, hygiene kits, hygiene items for women and girls, you name it. Everything is lacking in Gaza.
Speaker 23 If the agreement goes on as planned and Gaza is flooded with these supplies, then the next urgent need would be education or learning at least for a generation of Gazan children who have been out of school now for the third year.
Speaker 23
clearing the rubble, making sure that unexploded ordinances are out of the way. These are all priorities.
But for UNRWA, the largest aid organization in Gaza, hope is the operative word.
Speaker 23 And hope is what's going to push Gazans to want to go back, to want to rebuild both their homes, their lives, and their futures.
Speaker 4
Tamara, I'll refer from UNRWA. The Palestinians of Gaza and those living in the occupied West Bank see themselves as one people.
But they've been governed for years by two competing administrations.
Speaker 4 Now, as Clive Meyer has been finding out in Ramallah, there's hope that the ceasefire deal could at last lead to a united Palestinian future.
Speaker 24 It is a shared pain.
Speaker 24 That of the Palestinians in Gaza and those here in the occupied West Bank.
Speaker 24 Separated by geography and history, they are one people.
Speaker 24 And the desperate hope is that the current ceasefire deal might lead to one government.
Speaker 18 We are only one country.
Speaker 24 Listen to Azam Ayash Shalfit.
Speaker 15 Why we want to
Speaker 15 separate between Gaza and West Bank.
Speaker 18 It's our country.
Speaker 15 So we hope one government for Gaza and West Bank.
Speaker 18 That's we hope.
Speaker 24 But the ceasefire plans are sketchy on how much control Palestinians will have in running Gaza, at least in the short term.
Speaker 24 This group of West Bank activists are alarmed that a supreme supervisory body, a so-called Board of Peace, led by Donald Trump, will for now be the new overlords.
Speaker 25
The future of Gaza has to be in the hands of the Palestinians and no other. Not international, not Arab, not anyone.
There is no need for anyone else. Just leave us alone.
Speaker 24 The West Bank activists have found their voice.
Speaker 24 They see this moment in history as a real opportunity to right past wrongs.
Speaker 24 This woman's t-shirt reads, we are all Gaza, we are all Palestine.
Speaker 20 We have been let down so many times.
Speaker 24 Ezeh Hassan is a 29-year-old architect.
Speaker 20 This is the first time that I feel the world has opened up its eyes to what's happening on in Gaza and Palestine.
Speaker 24 I mean, are you hopeful then?
Speaker 20 Yeah, we're all hopeful.
Speaker 4 Palestinians speaking to Clive Myri in the West Bank.
Speaker 4 With anti-government protests continuing in Madagascar, the country's military appears to be taking on a more prominent role.
Speaker 4 The leader of an elite army unit that sided with demonstrators has now been sworn in as the chief of the armed forces.
Speaker 4 One of the protesters calling for President Andri Raja Elina to go is the 23-year-old student Haja Michael.
Speaker 26
What we really want is the democracy and we want freedom. We want the resignation of the president because he is not good anymore.
He has been taking an advantage of our country.
Speaker 4 Our correspondent Sami Awami gave me this update from the capital Antan Ana Rivo.
Speaker 27 There have been a lot of activities going on in different military barracks here.
Speaker 27 One unit which sided with the protesters, it's called Kazpat, has announced that it is taking control of all the military command in the country, but also they have appointed a new chief of staff for the army.
Speaker 27 But we haven't had any official confirmation yet with regards to any changes in leadership in the country.
Speaker 4 Yeah, the protesters are calling for the immediate resignation of President Rajo Elina. Will he step down or will he try and cling on?
Speaker 27 Well, so far he has insisted that that is not the right way to go.
Speaker 27 He says dialogues could solve all the problems we are ongoing in the country, and he's held a few of them since the protests have started.
Speaker 27 But the young people who have been leading this protest have dismissed them and saying, you know, the president has been in power since 2009 and that these problems cannot be solved by dialogues.
Speaker 27 And all they want now is for him to go so that they can have another president. So we're waiting to see how that will change.
Speaker 27 We know the president has released a statement saying the president is still in power, but we haven't seen the president since Wednesday when he held his last dialogues with various groups of people here in the country.
Speaker 28 It's all rather ironic, isn't it?
Speaker 4 Because he seized power in a military coup. How did we get to this stage?
Speaker 27 Yes, it's a lot of issues I'm hearing from economists and other experts. They say Raj Redin is responsible for a lot of issues like corruption, mismanagement of funds, etc.
Speaker 27 And they're pointing out, particularly on the cable car project here in the country, the government spent 150 million euros, which was a loan from France, on that project.
Speaker 27 They're saying the government hoped that it would ease congestions in the city and issues to do with pollution, etc. But this cable car entirely relies on electricity that the country doesn't have.
Speaker 27 So this is just one example of how the government spends a lot of money on projects that not only don't make any sense, but also can only be accessed by a few people in the country.
Speaker 4 How different would Madagascar be under military rule?
Speaker 27 It's a question that many people really don't want to imagine because it's military rule. And I've spoken to protesters here and they say that's not what they want.
Speaker 27 They want the country to go to civilian rule. But others are saying, well, we've given this country to civilian rule and then they've gotten where we are here today.
Speaker 27 But many hope that it would remain in civilian rule instead of going to the military.
Speaker 4 Sami Awami in Antan Ana Rivo.
Speaker 4 Being able to measure your stress levels can go some way to helping to manage them. Gauging them could be as simple as measuring the temperature of your nose.
Speaker 4 That's according to psychologists at the University of Sussex in England who found that the human nose drops in temperature by about two degrees when someone is under severe stress.
Speaker 4 Our science correspondent Victoria Gill has been taking a stress test.
Speaker 29 Starting from 2023, can you subtract 17 until you reach zero as fast and as accurately as possible?
Speaker 9 Oh, eh?
Speaker 31 Probably not.
Speaker 32 That's me in a scientific stress test, being asked to perform an impromptu mental arithmetic task in front of a group of strangers.
Speaker 32 I could feel my heart rate increasing, palms sweating, but a thermal camera also revealed that the temperature of my nose dropped by about two degrees.
Speaker 32 That test was carried out by a research team who found that thermal cameras can be used to measure stress levels, picking up this nasal temperature dip.
Speaker 32 It's caused by our nervous systems pushing blood flow to our eyes and ears so we can look and listen out for danger.
Speaker 32 It's a new non-invasive way to measure stress and monitor our response to it, so the researchers hope it will lead to new ways to help people recover and regain their calm.
Speaker 4 Victoria Gill
Speaker 4 Still to come, the South African shamans offering psychedelic drugs to the mentally ill.
Speaker 33 We are very aware that we're working in illegal circumstances, but we believe that it is righteous civil disobedience.
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Speaker 4 The British actor Tom Hollander, who's best known for his TV and film hits, including Rev, The Night Manager, and The White Lotus, is convinced that live performance could help save actors and audiences from the creeping use of artificial intelligence or AI on screen.
Speaker 4 In his latest movie, The Iris Affair, his character is enthralled to a mysterious supercomputer.
Speaker 6 Iris, you've got a brain that's off the scale.
Speaker 5 I need you to come and work with me.
Speaker 35 What's the puzzle that he's solving?
Speaker 34 One that matters.
Speaker 4 In the film, Hollander plays Cameron Beck a millionaire who must track down a code-cracking heroine, Iris Nixon.
Speaker 4 But he's also won acclaim for his stage performances, including Patriots, where he played Boris Berezovsky and Tom Stoppard's Travesties.
Speaker 4 The actor told the BBC's Paddy O'Connell that these roles in particular have made him less fearful of AI.
Speaker 6
It's replacing everything. It's replacing accountants, it's replacing travel agents, you name it.
But I don't know whether you can really replace it because you can't replace the mistakes.
Speaker 6 I did wonder yesterday if actors will stop making themselves up or something to just sort of fight AI because obviously what AI does is sort of trying to achieve perfection the whole time and what the real world will have on its side imperfection and mistakes which is why live performance will become more and more valuable and will become a rare and precious thing which because it's irreplaceable I think it's irreplaceable I know there's the ABBA show but I thought that there'll be some sort of reaction against AI.
Speaker 6 I don't know whether people will want to watch it. It's yet to be proved that it's interesting to watch an AI-based plot.
Speaker 6
And you can obviously do images which are convincing, but they're not really satisfying. And you would know.
Your brain would know that you were watching something.
Speaker 6 If you knew that it was AI, and maybe there'd be a law about having to tell you that it was AI, just in the way that you have ingredients and when you buy something in a supermarket, if the consumer knows, then the consumer will only engage in it as a piece of AI and they will engage in something that's not AI in a completely different way.
Speaker 6 And I don't think it's all over.
Speaker 36 The link here is that Charlie Big Potatoes is a massive AI AI force, a sort of computer-style brain that directs a lot of the humans throughout the Iris affair.
Speaker 6 Yeah, it may or may not have started to do that yet. But yeah, there's a fight in it between the evangelist for tech, which is my character, and the Luddite, which is Iris, who is...
Speaker 6 But she's not a Luddite. She's a person that's terrified by the potential.
Speaker 6 At the heart of that is the tussle with our anxiety about AI and what's coming.
Speaker 4 British actor Tom Hollander. Britain's flagship polar research vessel is preparing to set sail for a high-profile expedition to the Antarctic.
Speaker 4 The scientists are on board the RSS Sir David Attenborough, named after the celebrated British naturalist and broadcaster, and they'll spend the next few months carrying out important research into what is still a relatively undiscovered part of the Earth.
Speaker 4 British Antarctic Survey spokeswoman Athena Dina is taking part in the expedition, and she's been telling the BBC more about the ship and its mission.
Speaker 19 The ship is the UK's polar research vessel and it's a real game changer for polar science, understanding how the polar regions are changing and we'll be spending about six months in that region doing experiments, taking samples and really trying to understand how the region is changing.
Speaker 19 Antarctica is still largely very unknown. It contains 90% of the world's ice, 70% of the world's fresh water.
Speaker 19 And so any changes there have a massive impact on all of us in terms of sea level rise and changes to ocean patterns. Now you might say, well, how does ocean patterns affect us?
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Well, actually, it affects our weather systems. It affects extreme weather events.
So it affects all of us in lots of different ways.
Speaker 19 Now that ice in Antarctica, the warmer ocean is getting underneath it and it is melting it from beneath. And so the changes are happening and we're trying to understand
Speaker 19 how much and how quickly it might change in the future so that governments can really adapt to these changes for all of our benefit. We take ocean samples, we release weather balloons every day.
Speaker 19 This is what we call long-term monitoring and this is where we get the data sets that tell us that the changes we see today are unusual and they are different to what was happening 20 years ago or 30 years ago.
Speaker 19 But we've also got some other projects where we'll be looking at how ice falling off the glaciers creates waves within the ocean that changes the ocean circulation.
Speaker 19 We'll be looking at animals and how they're changing with their environment.
Speaker 19 They're under threat from pollution, microplastics, food availability because the ocean temperatures are changing and their food is changing where it is.
Speaker 19 So some of those amazing animals that we think of in Antarctica are really under threat from climate change.
Speaker 4 British Antarctic Survey spokesperson Athena Dinah. According to the World Health Organization, around one in two people will experience some form of mental illness.
Speaker 4 Help can come in the form of medication, such as antidepressants or talking therapies.
Speaker 4 There are those who are taking psychedelic drugs, as is the case in South Africa, where self-styled shamans or healers have been offering them.
Speaker 4 Some studies suggest that together with therapy, these drugs might help, but medical professionals are urging caution caution due to side effects and limited clinical evidence.
Speaker 4 BBC Africa Eyes Claire Mawisa has been finding out more. Her report starts with rare access to a healing ceremony in Cape Town.
Speaker 37 Stuart Dodd sits in the middle of the floor looking expectantly upwards to a woman who is chanting and swirling slightly while she beats a drum.
Speaker 37 He's hoping she can help him with his anxiety and depression, not by conventional counseling, but by what this woman calls a journey.
Speaker 38
Mom passed away suddenly, so that was a hell of a thing. And then my ex, I had a 17 and a half year relationship.
That broke off a year after mom died as well.
Speaker 38 So that's kind of when the rab got pulled out a little bit for the healing journey I've been on, is trying to unlayer these layers of finding out why I have these separation anxiety issues.
Speaker 37 Megan describes herself as a medicine woman, and and this journey she is conducting, which costs 2,000 US dollars, includes giving Stewart illicit substances, which he consented to.
Speaker 33 We are very aware that we're working in illegal circumstances, but we believe that it is righteous civil disobedience.
Speaker 37 What has qualified you to come to those doses?
Speaker 31 My own experience and my own learning and research.
Speaker 37 How are you sourcing your medicine?
Speaker 31 In the underground.
Speaker 33 So there is such a fertile world of people who are engaging with medicines in all ways.
Speaker 37 What Megan is doing is not a one-off.
Speaker 37 Spend a few minutes online scrolling, and there is a vast selection of self-proclaimed healers who make profound promises, yet there is very little oversight. Dr.
Speaker 37 Marcel Statsny, the convener of the South African Society of Psychiatrists, warns about the danger.
Speaker 35 There's quite a lot of science behind something before it's called a medicine. You can't use it to treat mental illness if you haven't diagnosed and assessed the mental illness.
Speaker 37 Do you think that these shamans, self-proclaimed healers, know the dangers?
Speaker 35
No, they've got no clue. They don't know what they don't know.
They just know that they took a trip, felt great and want to help people.
Speaker 37 Stewart's journey is continuing with intense movements made and it's pointed out to Megan that he seems uncomfortable. It looks like we should be worried about his condition or his state.
Speaker 37 Perhaps things not going as smoothly as expected.
Speaker 9 Okay, no, not at all.
Speaker 31 So it's just a part of the process.
Speaker 37
Megan offers him more MDMA. He comes across as unsure, but does eventually take it.
He had given consent for a top-up of MDMA before the journey. However, Dr.
Speaker 37 Statsny of the South African Society of Psychiatrists says that a person already on drugs is not able to give consent.
Speaker 35
In order to give consent, you have to be in touch with reality. If a person has already had psilocybin and MDMA, they aren't in touch with reality.
They're intoxicated.
Speaker 9 They're high.
Speaker 37
These so-called journeys don't always go smoothly. Sunnette Hill is meditating on a beach.
She's a self-appointed psychedelic guide who gave a client Ibergain a powerful West African drug.
Speaker 39
He grabbed me by my throat. He wanted to kill me.
Something came over him and he just wanted to kill me.
Speaker 37
Her husband had intervened and saved her. Despite this, she justified not having suitable qualifications.
Well, you're not a qualified medical professional, but you're not.
Speaker 39 But I don't have any faith in the medical world. I honest to God think psychedelics can heal the world.
Speaker 37 Two weeks after Stewart's journey, he told the BBC that although he wasn't fully healed, he felt he had made some progress.
Speaker 38 I can feel that it's kind of opening stuff up where I probably will do another journey as well after this.
Speaker 37 Self-proclaimed healers like Megan and Sunet claim this is the new frontier of mental health treatments.
Speaker 37 But to the experts in the medical profession, this illegal, unregulated industry remains dangerous territory.
Speaker 4 Claire Moisa and you can watch her Africa Eye documentary, Shadow Healers, South Africa's Psychedelic Journey on BBC iPlayer in the UK and on the World Service YouTube channel.
Speaker 4 It's not unusual to have airport-style security at major global sporting events, but the arrival of metal detectors at the World Conker Championships in England this year was a first.
Speaker 4 Winning the contest involves skewing a horse chestnut and dangling it on a string to make a conker, and then using it to break the conkers of anyone else taking part.
Speaker 4 Last year, the men's champion was accused of winning by illicitly using a conker made of steel, hence the security checks, Nick Johnson reports.
Speaker 1 The nut-on-nut thwacking thrums around the garden of the Shukbara arms.
Speaker 1 Each brandishing a conker attached to the end of an eight-inch length of lace, pairs of contestants climb atop knee-high platforms to face off against one another.
Speaker 1 Last year's competition was plunged into controversy.
Speaker 1 after the champion, or king conquer, David Jakins, was spotted with a steel steel conker following his victory, sparking rumours of cheating, of which he was cleared.
Speaker 1 This year's security has been tightened with the introduction of a makeshift steel conker detector. First-time player, 37-year-old Matt Cross from Lincolnshire, was crowned world champion.
Speaker 28 And then, yeah, every rounder's like, well, I've got through, let's give it another go. And
Speaker 4 snowballed.
Speaker 1 There were fears that the event might have to be cancelled after a hot, dry summer caused conkers to drop from their trees earlier than normal, sparking concerns of a shortage.
Speaker 1 It could have been a tough nut to crack, but a donation of conkers arrived from Windsor Castle, as well as from France and Italy, ensuring the competition's 60th year could go ahead as planned.
Speaker 4 Nick Johnson with that report and congratulations also to Margaret Blake who won the women's contest.
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Speaker 40 And that none of us converted a mama minivan.
Speaker 40 So,
Speaker 40 a digital queue of jarring en un auto caliente.
Speaker 40 Es algo que te puede suceder.
Speaker 40 Los autos queentan rapidamente, y los niños poden corre peligro en temperaturas tambajas como 10 grados Fahrenheit.
Speaker 40 Los núnca a veces suceden.
Speaker 40 Antes eljarto del auto. Siemprepara, mira, sierra.
Speaker 40 Presentado por niza y el ad council.