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Speaker 5 This is the Global News Podcast from the BBC World Service.

Speaker 5 I'm Charlotte Gallagher, and at 6 hours GMT on Friday, the 14th of November, these are our main stories.

Speaker 5 The BBC has apologised to Donald Trump for a documentary that spliced together parts of his speech on the day of the capital riots, but has rejected his demands for compensation.

Speaker 5 The former Prime Minister of Bangladesh denies committing crimes against humanity during a deadly crackdown on an uprising last year.

Speaker 5 Environmental campaigners at the COP climate talks say 1,600 delegates from the oil, gas, and coal industries are in attendance, outnumbering most countries' delegations.

Speaker 5 Also in this podcast, the row between the Israeli government and the Army radio station. And

Speaker 5 a rocket owned by the Amazon founder Jeff Bezos is headed to Mars.

Speaker 5 We begin with the story about the BBC itself and Donald Trump's threat to sue the corporation for a billion dollars over a news programme broadcast last year.

Speaker 5 An episode of the documentary series Panorama put together two parts of President Trump's speech on the day of the Capitol riots.

Speaker 5 In a way, the BBC itself has said gave the mistaken impression he had made a direct call for violent action. The BBC's Director General and head of news have resigned.
Mr.

Speaker 5 Trump's lawyers have demanded an apology, a retraction, and financial compensation, saying they will file a defamation lawsuit if those conditions are not met.

Speaker 5 On Thursday, the BBC released this statement, laying out its response to President Trump.

Speaker 7 Lawyers for the BBC have written to President Trump's legal team in response to a letter received on Sunday.

Speaker 7 BBC Chair Samir Shah has separately sent a personal letter to the White House, making clear to President Trump that he and the corporation are sorry for the edit of the President's speech on 6th January 2021, which featured in the programme.

Speaker 7 The BBC has no plans to rebroadcast the documentary Trump A Second Chance on any BBC platforms.

Speaker 7 While the BBC sincerely regrets the manner in which the video clip was edited, we strongly disagree there is a basis for a defamation claim.

Speaker 5 Our culture and media editor Katie Razell talked us through the arguments made by BBC lawyers in their letter to Mr Trump's legal team.

Speaker 8 If Donald Trump is claiming it would affect American voters, for example, because it was put out ahead of the election, well they're saying it couldn't have done that.

Speaker 8 They say he was talking in this legal letter, it was about the injury and overwhelming reputational and financial harm to Donald Trump.

Speaker 8 And the BBC is saying in this letter, it didn't cause you overwhelming reputational or financial harm, effectively because you were re-elected. So, where's the harm?

Speaker 8 Then, there's this talk about malice, whether it was malicious.

Speaker 8 What they're arguing, the BBC, in this legal letter, is that the editing of that clip, it was used to convey a much broader point about what happened on the day and how that speech was received at the time.

Speaker 8 And they're pointing out it wasn't designed to mislead anybody. It was simply an edit made to shorten a long speech into a shorter tiny bit of speech and convey the way the speech landed.

Speaker 8 It wasn't done with malice. It was done, they say, by someone who thought they were condensing Donald Trump's message.

Speaker 8 They're also pointing out that the clip was never intended to be considered in isolation. So the BBC is saying it is 12 seconds of an hour-long programme.

Speaker 8 and that programme followed Donald Trump's supporters and contained lots of pro-Donald Trump messages within it. So they're saying you can't consider it in isolation.

Speaker 8 This was a programme where we heard a lot from people about why they support Donald Trump and why they follow him and why they wanted him to be president.

Speaker 8 And then their last argument in this legal letter is a slightly more technical one, but essentially the threshold for defamation if you're a political figure in the US is really high.

Speaker 8 And so what the BBC lawyers are saying is under US law, it's sort of put like this, an opinion on a matter of public concern and political speech is heavily protected under defamation law in the US.

Speaker 8 But essentially the bottom line is they are standing their ground and they're saying, you don't have a legal case, we're not giving you any money.

Speaker 5 Katie Rassel, let's get the view from Washington now with our North America editor, Sarah Smith.

Speaker 10 We haven't yet heard from the President or from the White House since the BBC sent that apology.

Speaker 10 We did hear from him a couple of days ago when he said he felt obligated obligated to sue the BBC because it had defrauded the public, he said, and you can't allow people to do that.

Speaker 10 He claimed the BBC had butchered what he called his very calming, very beautiful speech on the 6th of January and made it sound radical.

Speaker 10 And we heard from his press secretary who said the president now believes the BBC is a leftist propaganda machine who had dishonestly edited that panorama speech.

Speaker 10 speech and that that was very clearly fake news. The other thing we know is that the president has taken taken on two media companies in the last few months, ABC News and CBS News.

Speaker 10 He sued them and he ended up settling those cases for $15 million and $16 million each.

Speaker 5 That was Sarah Smith. The former Prime Minister of Bangladesh, Sheikh Hasina, has denied committing crimes against humanity during a deadly crackdown on last year's uprising that ousted her.

Speaker 5 She told the BBC her trial in absentia was a farce orchestrated by a kangaroo court. And Varasan Attarajan reports.

Speaker 11 A tribunal in Dhaka is due to give its judgment against the former Bangladeshi premier and two other officials on Monday. Prosecutors have demanded the death penalty.

Speaker 11 In her first interview with the BBC since she fled to India in August 2024, Sheikh Hasina claimed that the trial was destined to deliver what she called a preordained guilty verdict.

Speaker 11 She said the hundreds of killings during the anti-government demonstrations last year were tragic, but categorically denied personally ordering security forces to fire at protesters in the weeks before she fled.

Speaker 11 UN human rights investigators have said up to 1,400 people were killed when security forces used systematic deadly violence against protesters.

Speaker 11 Asked about the discovery of secret jails holding prisoners who had been detained for years without any legal process, she said she didn't have any knowledge of them.

Speaker 11 She also called for the ban on her Awami League party to be lifted so that it can take part in national elections scheduled for early next year. Ms.

Speaker 11 Acina and other senior members of her former government are also facing trial for corruption in a separate court, charges they deny.

Speaker 5 The COP 30 climate talks taking place in the Brazilian city of Belém have brought together politicians, scientists, and activists from around the world.

Speaker 5 But they've also attracted more than 1,600 delegates from the coal, oil, and gas industries. That's more than has been sent by any single country apart from Brazil.

Speaker 5 Our environment correspondent, Matt McGrath, reports.

Speaker 12 Well, security is tight here at the COP, and everybody who comes in and out has to have a badge.

Speaker 12 And that badge shows a lot of information, including where you're from, who you work for, what country you're from.

Speaker 12 Every year, environmental activists analyse the information on badges and they use that information to work out who are the people who work for coal, oil, and gas companies.

Speaker 12 A little earlier, I spoke to Adrian Salazar from the Grassroots Global Justice Alliance. That's one of the groups that's involved in compiling the data.

Speaker 12 Now, he says this year sees the highest proportion of fossil fuel delegates at a COP since 2021.

Speaker 14 It has increased substantially in the last several years. And because this is a smaller COP in total aggregate numbers, we're also seeing a higher proportion.

Speaker 14 So about one in 25 of participants here are representing the fossil fuel industry.

Speaker 12 Okay, that sounds like a big number when you say it all together, that's the 1600, but it's only 3% or so of the overall total of people here.

Speaker 12 You could say 97% of people here are not representing fossil fuel interests.

Speaker 12 What's so worrying about having 3% of people here representing coal, oil and gas, or banks associated with that? What's wrong with that?

Speaker 14 That's a fair question. I think what we have to look at is the amount of power these

Speaker 14 corporations and fossil fuel representatives are able to yield in their presence here. And many of them, I think about 599, are on party badges, meaning that they have access to the negotiations.

Speaker 14 They may be sitting in delegations that are representing countries.

Speaker 14 And so, fossil fuel industry, and this has been the case for years, is in fact colluding with governments in order to influence this process.

Speaker 12 Well, are they being successful, though?

Speaker 12 Because, you know, we say there are 1,600 of them here, but over the last number of years, we've had a recognition that coal is going to be phased out or phased down in Glasgow.

Speaker 12 Two years ago in Dubai, we had an agreement on a a transition away from fossil fuels.

Speaker 12 These lobbyists are not doing such a great job.

Speaker 14 They have been engaged in a PR battle to slow down the transition of the economy. And you're telling me because it's 2025 they've changed their minds? I don't think so.

Speaker 12 That was Adrian Salazar speaking, who's part of the coalition called Kick Big Polluters Out.

Speaker 12 Now that group wants to see all these fossil fuel delegates who are connected to coal, oil and gas ejected from these talks. However, I think that's never going to happen.

Speaker 12 The COP, for all its flaws, is open to everyone and will likely remain that way.

Speaker 5 Matt McGrath. Germany's government has agreed a new military service plan to boost troop numbers as Berlin aims to create Europe's strongest conventional army.

Speaker 5 The plan, which politicians will vote on later this year, comes amid the looming threat posed by Russia and other security concerns.

Speaker 5 But many Germans are wary of the country rearming and inching towards conscription. Our correspondent, Jessica Parker, sent this report from Dortmund.

Speaker 15 I'm just walking through an army training face in West Germany where we've been watching recruits do a variety of exercises and it comes as the German government, the governing parties, have struck a deal on military service.

Speaker 16 Now what they're planning to put to Parliament is that 18-year-olds would be sent a questionnaire about their willingness, their ability to serve.

Speaker 15 18-year-old men would in future also have to attend a physical to

Speaker 16 see about their fitness, things like that.

Speaker 15 For now, the government is not introducing a mandatory element of conscription, not making young people join the army, but they've left that door open if they don't get enough recruits to boost numbers through volunteers.

Speaker 15 But it's a big moment for Germany because

Speaker 15 due to its role in the past as an aggressor in Europe,

Speaker 15 in that post-war period there's often been this sense of a shyness, a military meekness, not wanting to show military might.

Speaker 15 It feels like that is partly changing, although plenty of people in Germany are still pretty worried about what they see as rearmament and expanding Germany's military.

Speaker 18 More troops is only part of the picture as Germany looks to step up its role in European security. Last week I spoke with Armin Patberger, the boss of German defence giant Rheinmettal.

Speaker 19 Chancellor Mertz has talked about wanting Germany to have Europe's strongest conventional army. That's going to require manpower, but it's also going to require hardware.
Is that realistic?

Speaker 20 It is. It is realistic.

Speaker 19 Do you think Germany could get to that position?

Speaker 20 The German government makes very clear decisions that we have to grow strong on vehicles, on ammunitions. We have to have our own satellite competences.

Speaker 20 We do much, much more on the electronics and artificial intelligence, on the defense than ever before, and they invest. They will reach that target.

Speaker 19 When do you think Germany could have Europe's strongest conventional army?

Speaker 20 In five years.

Speaker 16 In five years.

Speaker 19 Many people, including in Germany, fear rearmament, remilitarisation can lead to war, as Germany's own history has shown. How do you respond to those fears?

Speaker 19 Because obviously your company is making a lot of money through rearmament.

Speaker 20 We have democracy. I'm very happy to have this democracy.

Speaker 20 And what I see at the moment is that more than 70% of the people in Germany say that we have to do more to defend our country, to defend Europe and to help NATO.

Speaker 19 Looking at some of what Chancellor Mertz has spoken about, about the state of peace or war, is it your sense that we're in a Cold War in Europe at the moment, experiencing even a hybrid war?

Speaker 20 It doesn't matter how you call it at the end of the day. The only thing is what for me important, we are not in a very peaceful time.

Speaker 20 The reason is also very clear because we see every day that there are some smaller attacks from some

Speaker 20 countries or only from one country,

Speaker 20 which is testing us if we are prepared or if we are not prepared.

Speaker 9 Do you fear a future conflict involving Germany?

Speaker 20 I have no glassball. Nobody knows that.

Speaker 20 The army says, and also the government says, we have to prepare ourselves that we are strong enough that nobody is attacking us.

Speaker 5 That report by Jessica Parker.

Speaker 5 Still to to come in this podcast.

Speaker 3 I have a little terrier that's eight inches off the ground and has a sort of round, floofy head. His jaws really wouldn't survive, I don't think, having to sort of scavenge and predate in the wilds.

Speaker 5 How dogs evolved from prehistoric wolves to our cuddly companions.

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Speaker 5 Every day for 75 years, the Israeli military's own radio station has broadcast news, music, and talk programs to thousands of listeners.

Speaker 5 Israeli Army Radio has become one of the most popular stations with soldiers and civilians alike. But the Defense Minister Israel Katz has announced it'll be shut down on March the 1st next year.

Speaker 5 He said Army Radio was established as a voice for IDF soldiers and their families, not in his words, as a platform for opinions, many of which attack the IDF and its soldiers.

Speaker 5 Nachman Shai is a former editor-in-chief of Army Radio and later served as a member of the Israeli parliament. My colleague Tim Franks asked him what he made of Mr.
Katz's decision.

Speaker 6 There is another big camp of Israelis, I would say, at least half of the Israeli public that like the station very much and would like it to continue its

Speaker 6 broadcasting. So

Speaker 24 it's old, though, isn't it? I mean, to

Speaker 24 have a sort of an arm of the Israeli army broadcasting to the nation.

Speaker 6 That's a very unique radio station.

Speaker 6 I'm sure that if we ask today whether we should start

Speaker 6 military radio or army radio, we won't do it. But it started in 1950.
It was a different Israel with them then. David Ben-Gurion was the prime minister and the situation was totally different.

Speaker 6 But the fact is that it became an extremely popular radio station which

Speaker 6 serves and caters to the center of the Israeli population, to audiences of hundreds of thousands or sometimes millions of people. There is no reason.
The reason is not professional.

Speaker 6 I have no doubt, Tim.

Speaker 6 The reason is political,

Speaker 6 not professional.

Speaker 24 But you must agree, Machman, that I mean, just on principle, I mean, it must be moments of awkwardness for the IDF. I mean, if you've got journalists asking really tough questions of it.

Speaker 6 Yes, I can remember some situations very, very strange in the past when a young soldier wearing uniform asked interview the prime minister, but they've in the past few years they've changed the the system and and and only civilians are dealing with

Speaker 6 the political stuff,

Speaker 6 not soldiers, not young men and women in uniform. So they themselves understand

Speaker 6 the

Speaker 6 abnormality of the situation. But at the same time, again, the point is that Galatsa, the army radio, is a public service.

Speaker 6 This government has launched a kind of a war on what I believe Israel's basic democratic institutes.

Speaker 6 And freedom of expression and freedom of press is extremely important ingredients and components of freedom of the press and that's why I believe the decision was made on that background.

Speaker 5 That was Nachman Shai speaking to Tim Franks.

Speaker 5 Scientists say tens of thousands of southern elephant seals have been killed in an outbreak of bird flu on South Georgia, a remote island in the South Atlantic.

Speaker 5 It's the site of the world's biggest population of the seals, but researchers estimate that half of all breeding females could now be dead.

Speaker 5 Our science correspondent Helen Briggs has been speaking to my colleague Janat Jalil.

Speaker 25 Scientists from the British Antarctic Survey have been looking at populations of elephant seals on South Georgia. These are the largest known species of seal.

Speaker 25 They have these sort of trunk-like noses, which is why they're called elephant seals. And they spend most of their lives at sea.

Speaker 25 They dive really deep into the ocean, spend most of their lives out there on the ocean waves. But then they come to beaches to breed.

Speaker 25 So, South Georgia is a really important breeding ground for these seals.

Speaker 25 So, it's quite remote, it's difficult to actually do research there. But they've been doing drone surveys from the air and they found this dramatic decline.
So, they looked at the data in 2022.

Speaker 25 They know that this avian flu arrived late in 2023, and then they've seen this massive decline in numbers when they measured them in 2024.

Speaker 25 So they looked at three large breeding colonies on the island.

Speaker 25 So if you extrapolate out the colony as a whole, 53,000 is their calculation of missing females across this entire population of elephant seals.

Speaker 25 And they're saying that this really could have very serious repercussions for elephant seals for the population for years to come, for decades to come.

Speaker 26 And Helen, these are absolutely massive creatures. They're up to nearly six meters in length.
They can weigh as much as 3.7 tons.

Speaker 26 So why would they be so badly affected by avian flu?

Speaker 25 So we know that this particular type of avian flu, H5N1, has been around for decades and it's spreading all over the world.

Speaker 25 Primarily it spreads between birds, but now migratory birds are sort of spreading it across the world. So it's gone from North America to South America and it's got into marine mammals.

Speaker 25 So we now know that it can affect other wildlife other than birds. And it's caused mass die-offs of seals in other parts of the world, notably in Argentina recently.

Speaker 25 And what's happening here in South Georgia seems to be mirroring that situation. Elephant seals, they're top predators, they're the top of the food chain.

Speaker 25 So if you have a big decline in them, then it'll affect other species as well because everything is interconnected in this complex web of life.

Speaker 22 Helen Briggs.

Speaker 5 Blue Origin, the space company owned by Jeff Bezos, has launched its largest reusable rocket and successfully landed its booster at sea.

Speaker 5 It comes as the Amazon founder is trying to challenge Elon Musk's grip on the market. Anna Aslam reports.

Speaker 9 That's the moment the new Glenn rocket blasted off from Cape Canaveral in Florida.

Speaker 9 It successfully deployed NASA satellites that will reach Mars in 22 months to measure the planet's atmosphere and magnetic field.

Speaker 9 It's the first science payload Blue Origin has launched for a paying customer, and the company had another breakthrough too, when nine minutes into the flight, the reusable booster powering the rocket separated and touched down on the floating barge in the Atlantic Ocean.

Speaker 9 The control room cheered as the 17-story tall booster landed. It's a huge engineering feat and a first for Blue Origin's Nuclear rocket, which has faced severe delays during development.

Speaker 9 The company celebrated the milestone, but sea landings are a norm for its rival SpaceX, which pioneered the maneuver and has completed it 500 times.

Speaker 9 Analysts say Elon Musk's company has had a more aggressive approach to launches and testing, and that Blue Origin is now adopting a more risk-taking culture to to try and catch up in the space race.

Speaker 5 Anna Aslam. It's long been thought that dogs developed into the many breeds that exist today mainly through human breeding.

Speaker 5 But scientists looking at skulls dating back thousands of years have now found our canine companions began changing shape and form much earlier than previously thought, as they evolved from wolves to domestic dogs.

Speaker 5 Dr. Kali Amin from the University of Exeter explained that their finds date back to the Middle Stone Age or Mesolithic period.

Speaker 27 Almost half of the diversity we see in modern dog breeds today is already present in dog populations by the Mesolithic, which is what we found, which is really surprising and really starts to challenge the ideas about where dog diversity has come from.

Speaker 5 Our science correspondent, Victoria Gill, told us more.

Speaker 3 We know that dog domestication is a big part of the human story.

Speaker 3 There's evidence that wolves and humans started living alongside of each other 30,000 years ago, but there's still still lots of questions about just how that changed us, changed our societies, changed the dog.

Speaker 3 And what these researchers have looked at is actually the physicality of the dog by looking at skulls.

Speaker 3 So they actually carried out an analysis and examination of hundreds of dog and wolf skulls over tens of thousands of years. Some of them were up to 50,000 years old.

Speaker 3 And what they've seen is that 10 or 11,000 years ago, between 10 and 11,000 years ago, the dog started to change shape. Its head started to change shape.

Speaker 3 So as dogs were domesticated, they physically changed, but not only did they change, they became very diverse. There was a lot of different sizes and shapes of dogs.

Speaker 3 So much of the diversity that we see today that we think is driven by lots of very deliberate selective breeding, by the Victorian tastes and their kennel clubs.

Speaker 3 Actually, a lot of that was evident thousands of years ago in the Middle Stone Age.

Speaker 26 And why do we think that happened?

Speaker 3 It's a really good question. There's loads of theories about why dogs and humans came together.

Speaker 3 And, you know, being able to see human intent and motivation from the archaeological record is not so easy.

Speaker 3 But there's theories about how wolves maybe started living around communities of people because they were scavenging for food. And maybe humans must have had some kind of benefit from that.

Speaker 3 Dogs might have cleaned up messy carcasses that otherwise would have attracted pests. They might have raised the alarm and barked and howled when there were predators coming by.

Speaker 3 So we started to get this kind of mutual benefit. That then developed into wolves becoming the first domesticated animal.

Speaker 3 They obviously brought us so much benefit as working animals, as companions, that we started to bring them into our lives and breed them.

Speaker 3 We can't tell from this study whether people had some kind of intention to actually breed dogs that had a particular shaped head, you know, the way that we do these days where we have a particular breed that we find cute and appealing.

Speaker 3 We kind of, we can't see that from the archaeological record. But what we can see was that was happening.

Speaker 3 That was happening millennia ago, you know, way before we had any kind of breeding standards that we have today.

Speaker 3 So something was going on that meant that people and their actions and their living alongside humans was physically just transforming the dog fundamentally.

Speaker 26 And the dogs of today are very different from the dogs of thousands of years ago. For instance, I know your dog likes cheesy snacks.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I don't think he'd survive in the wild.

Speaker 3 It's interesting, like, because

Speaker 3 they were looking at differences in the skull in this study, they see the shape shift from kind of wolf, the long, slender, snouted wolf with the powerful jaws that was a predator, into the kind of snubbier, shorter-snouted, wider-headed dog.

Speaker 3 I have a little terrier that's kind of you know eight inches off the ground and has a sort of round, floofy head.

Speaker 3 So, you know, his jaws really wouldn't survive, I don't think, having to sort of scavenge and predate in the wild.

Speaker 3 So it just goes to show how much human influence has really driven what dogs are today.

Speaker 5 That was Helen Briggs.

Speaker 5 And that's all from us for now, but there will be a new edition of the Global News Podcast later. If you want to comment on this podcast or the topics covered in it, you can send us an email.

Speaker 5 The address is globalpodcast at bbc.co.uk. You can also find us on X at BBC World Service.
Use the hashtag global newspod. This edition was produced by Peter Goffin and Stephen Jensen.

Speaker 5 It was mixed by Martin Baker. The editor is Karen Martin.
I'm Charlotte Gallagher. Until next time, goodbye.

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