US-Venezuela: Trump's largest warship arrives in Latin America region

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Speaker 9 Donald Trump sends his most advanced aircraft carrier to the Latin America region, escalating tensions with Venezuela.

Speaker 9 California Governor Gavin Newsom tells COP30 that President Trump will reduce the US to a footnote on climate policy. And the mayor of Istanbul faces 2,000 years in prison.

Speaker 9 His party says the charges are politically motivated.

Speaker 9 Also, in this podcast, China wants young people to spend more money.

Speaker 10 Some of my friends are unemployed, still living at home and looking for a job. The economy is a bit off right now.
I hope it gets better so we can all have a better life.

Speaker 9 And we look at the the Israeli bill that would impose the death penalty for terrorism.

Speaker 9 For months, Donald Trump has been massing U.S. Navy ships in the Latin America region near Venezuela, ordering strikes on boats that he says are running drugs to the US.

Speaker 9 Now, one of his most advanced warships has arrived in the region, the aircraft carrier USS Gerald R. Ford.
At least 76 people have been killed by the U.S.

Speaker 9 operations, described by some human rights observers as extrajudicial killings.

Speaker 9 On Tuesday, Colombian President Gustavo Petro said he was suspending intelligence sharing with the US until the attack stopped, adding that the fight against drugs must be subordinate to the human rights of the Caribbean people.

Speaker 9 Our South America correspondent, Ione Wells, has been telling me why the arrival of this latest US ship is so significant.

Speaker 11 It's the world's largest warship and the world's largest aircraft carrier, and it is the newest, most advanced aircraft carrier that the US Navy has. It is essentially kind of like a floating airport.

Speaker 11 It's a ship which fighter jets can land on and take off from.

Speaker 11 And I think its arrival in the region is certainly being seen as the latest escalation by the US when it comes to its military build-up in the Caribbean, which many observers believe is not just about targeting alleged drug trafficking vessels, but it's also about putting military pressure on Nicolas Maduro, the president of Venezuela.

Speaker 9 So Ione, a lot of speculation about Donald Trump trying to force Mr. Maduro out of power.
How did the relationship between the two presidents reach this point?

Speaker 11 Well there has been a lot of international condemnation of Nicolas Maduro over the last couple of years, not just because of the humanitarian crisis in Venezuela that has triggered large amounts of migration to the United States, millions of Venezuelans who have fled Venezuela in recent years,

Speaker 11 but also because of the fact that the last last election in Venezuela last year was widely recognised internationally as neither free nor fair, and that has led to the US, for example, not recognising Nicolas Maduro as the legitimate president of Venezuela.

Speaker 11 Now, another factor that has played into this is that the US has for some time accused Nicolas Maduro of being the head of a drug trafficking ring in Venezuela.

Speaker 11 Maduro has repeatedly denied these allegations, and for his part, he has always accused the US US of imperialism and of worsening the country's economic crisis through imposing sanctions on Venezuela.

Speaker 11 So there has been this long-standing tension between the two nations.

Speaker 11 Now why many people think that this isn't just about drugs but also about trying to put military pressure on Nicolas Maduro is that Venezuela itself doesn't produce large amounts of cocaine.

Speaker 11 That mainly comes from Colombia, Peru, Bolivia. There is some cocaine that is trafficked through Venezuela, but certainly it isn't the biggest drug trafficking route in the region.

Speaker 11 And that is why many feel like, given the US defines Nicolas Maduro himself as the head of a drug trafficking organisation, this might be part of a wider plan to essentially try to put military pressure on him and his inner circle.

Speaker 9 Ioni Wells reporting. Well, Venezuela's southern neighbour Brazil is hosting the COP 30 climate talks this week.

Speaker 9 And the US, one of the world's largest producers of carbon emissions, has not not sent a delegation. The White House said in a statement that President Trump would not jeopardize U.S.

Speaker 9 economic and national security goals to pursue what it called vague climate goals that are killing other countries. But dozens of state and local officials from across the U.S.

Speaker 9 have traveled to the meetings in Belém to present their own message on climate, including California Governor Gavin Newsom.

Speaker 9 He's a leading figure in the Democrat Party and a possible presidential candidate for 2028. Our environment correspondent Matt McGraw is there.

Speaker 7 To warm applause in a hot and humid pavilion, California's Democratic Governor Gavin Newsom came to the COP to reassure participants that the U.S. was still committed on climate at state level.

Speaker 7 However, it didn't take him long to renew his war of words with U.S. President Donald Trump, who has described climate change as a con.
Governor Newsom told supporters at the COP that Mr.

Speaker 7 Trump was a bully and an invasive species who would reduce the U.S. to what he termed a footnote on climate change policy.

Speaker 7 And reacting to newspaper reports that said the president was going to allow drilling for oil in the waters of California, Mr. Newsom said it was never going to happen.

Speaker 12 As it relates to offshore oil drilling, it's overwhelmingly opposed by members of all political parties in the state of California. It's dead on arrival.

Speaker 12 And I also think it remarkable that he didn't promote it in his backyard at Mar-Lago. He didn't promote it off the coast of Florida.
That says everything.

Speaker 7 Governor Newsom wasn't alone. Around 100 state and city officials from different parts of the United States came to show their commitment to tackling rising temperatures.

Speaker 7 Among them was the governor of New Mexico, Michelle Luhan Grisham.

Speaker 13 We're doing the work. We're making a difference.
We're going to stay focused. We're going to do more.
We're going to work to add states. And oh, by golly, looks like we might add Virginia.

Speaker 13 And we'll stay the course with New Jersey. So that's our commitment.
We're here.

Speaker 7 While the American politicians were welcomed, some delegates were a little bit wary, having seen the United States enter and leave various climate agreements over the past two decades.

Speaker 7 Longtime Climate Talks participant Mohamed Adao from Kenya said that while he understood that many people in the U.S.

Speaker 7 were still committed on climate, the rest of the world wasn't going to sit around and wait for them to come back.

Speaker 14 The rest of us are not going to wait for the US.

Speaker 14 At the end of the day, it requires the rest of the world to get on with the job at hand to tackle climate change. Ultimately, this isn't going to just hurt the most vulnerable nations.

Speaker 14 It's also going to force the US to miss out on the energy of the future. And so, this is an act of self-supportage, and we can't let one man wreck the planet that we share.

Speaker 9 Kenyan Mohamed Adao ending that report by Matt McGrath.

Speaker 9 Prosecutors in Turkey have announced 140 new charges against the opposition mayor of Istanbul, Ikram Imamoglu, who is the main rival to the Turkish president Rečeb Tayyib Erdogan. Mr.

Speaker 9 Ememoglou, who strongly denies allegations of corruption, has been in jail since March, when his arrest sparked the largest protests in Turkey in over a decade.

Speaker 9 His party says the fraud charges are politically motivated.

Speaker 3 From Istanbul, our senior international correspondent Ola Gerin reports: Istanbul's jailed mayor now faces yet another legal case, and this one is on an epic scale.

Speaker 3 The indictment runs to 4,000 pages and names 400 suspects. It alleges that Ekrem Imamolu is the boss of a crime group involved in embezzlement, extortion and money laundering.

Speaker 3 Prosecutors have demanded a sentence of more than 2,000 years if the mayor is convicted.

Speaker 3 They have also asked the courts to close his Republican People's Party, which is Turkey's main political opposition.

Speaker 3 Mr Imamolu has already been accused of everything from espionage to forging his university degree. His party says his only crime is running for the presidency of the country.

Speaker 3 As the cases against him multiply, it seems safe to assume he will remain behind bars, unable to stand in the next election, due by

Speaker 3 The authorities here insist the courts are independent. Human rights groups say they have been weaponized.

Speaker 9 All aguerin reporting. China's once-surging economy is struggling with exports falling, ongoing trade tensions with the US, and record high youth unemployment.

Speaker 9 The government is under growing pressure to turn things around. One idea is to encourage younger consumers to increase their spending in order to give the economy a shot in the arm.

Speaker 9 But as China correspondent Stephen McDonnell reports from Beijing, rather than buying more, many young people seem to be embracing frugality with great enthusiasm.

Speaker 15 It's lunchtime in Beijing and workers at this shopping and office district just east of the Foreign Ministry have poured into the street and are in search of some food along Chaway Nanjing.

Speaker 15 It's an area with lots of small service sector businesses as well as retail, wholesale clothing and some big chain outlets.

Speaker 15 I'm here to try and get an idea of the attitudes of younger people when it comes to their purchasing patterns in the China of 2025.

Speaker 15 I asked one young woman if it's more important for her to save or spend money at the moment.

Speaker 5 Right now, making money is more important to me. I actually need to expand my income sources and cut my costs.

Speaker 15 She works in insurance and says she's now earning less than she used to.

Speaker 5 I changed jobs and it doesn't pay well. Also, I don't know for how long this new job can sustain me in the future.

Speaker 5 A bad economic environment like this makes people feel down because we are not earning very much.

Speaker 15 This woman's comments encapsulate three of the big reasons why the Chinese government is finding it hard to get younger people to consume more. They're worried about job security.

Speaker 15 Their wages are stagnant or going down. They don't feel good about their future prospects.

Speaker 15 A young man who works in the food and beverage industry says there are low-level jobs available, but that it's hard to find decent work related to your specialty area.

Speaker 10 Some of my friends are unemployed, still living at home and looking for a job. They had all kinds of majors at university, from financial services to product sales.
The economy is a bit off right now.

Speaker 10 I hope it gets better so we can all have a better life.

Speaker 15 The United States has a problem with consumers binge-buying on their credit cards using money they don't have. In China it's the opposite challenge.

Speaker 15 People are already inclined to save rather than spend and this only increases when there are perceptions of tough times ahead.

Speaker 15 Helena Lofgren has been studying China's consumption patterns for the Swedish Institute of International Affairs and believes this economy is relying too heavily on selling products overseas in a time of geopolitical uncertainty.

Speaker 16 People save more than they consume and you need the consumption to make up a bigger share of the economy than it's doing today in China.

Speaker 16 So you have a very export-oriented and investment-driven economy. And what we see now is that these parts are too big for the economy to stay healthy.

Speaker 15 Vloggers have exploded across China's social media platforms, filming themselves, showing young people where they can buy cheap clothes, cheap food, cheap everything.

Speaker 15 It's feeding into a kind of minimalist consumption subculture for an age with so much uncertainty.

Speaker 15 And with would-be customers waiting for the price of goods to keep falling, desperate companies keep slashing their prices. This is driving deflation, which is also dragging down growth.

Speaker 15 The government might have to expand the social safety net, get graduate wages back up, or find another way to spread optimism amongst China's youth.

Speaker 15 If it does nothing, the stresses will continue to grow on an economy already under considerable pressure.

Speaker 9 Stephen McDonnell reporting from Beijing.

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Speaker 17 Nobody wanted to go over the parapet, so my great-grandfather struck up his pipes and it was only when he started to play Blue Bonnets Over the Border that the men actually started to follow.

Speaker 9 We mark the life of the first World War bagpiper who won Britain's highest military honor.

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Speaker 9 President Trump has reiterated his intention to sue the BBC over a documentary about the events leading up to the storming of the Capitol building in Washington, D.C.

Speaker 9 in 2021, saying he had an obligation to do so.

Speaker 9 At the weekend, the BBC's Director General and Head of News resigned after it was revealed that a BBC documentary had edited two parts of a speech by the U.S.

Speaker 9 president, making it appear that he had explicitly encouraged the January 6th riots. The BBC chairman, Samir Shah, has also apologised.
But Mr.

Speaker 9 Trump's lawyers are threatening to launch a $1 billion lawsuit against the corporation unless it makes a full and fair retraction of the documentary by this Friday and appropriately compensates him for the harm caused.

Speaker 9 In an interview with Fox News, Mr. Trump was asked if he planned to carry out that threat, and this was his reply.

Speaker 20 I guess I have to. You know, why not? Because

Speaker 20 they defrauded the public, and they've admitted it. And their top echelon, Director Campbell, this is CEO of this.
This is within one of our great allies.

Speaker 20 You know, this is our supposedly a great ally, BBC. The government has a chunk of that one, I guess.
But

Speaker 20 that's a pretty sad event. They actually changed my January 6th speech, which was a beautiful speech, which was a very calming speech, and they made it sound radical.

Speaker 9 I asked our North America correspondent, David Willis, what he made of the president's latest interview.

Speaker 23 Well, I think it suggests that he believes he has to sue Anker in order to protect his reputation and that he is determined to treat the BBC no differently than the American media, despite the fact that it is a foreign broadcaster.

Speaker 23 He says he believes that he has an obligation in his words to sue because the Panorama programme had butchered, I use his words again there, his speech, leaving the BBC, in his view, guilty of dishonesty.

Speaker 23 And in their letter to the BBC on Sunday, Mr.

Speaker 23 Trump's legal team claimed that the Panorama programme had caused the president overwhelming financial and reputational harm and asserted that his client's intention to sue the corporation for no less than a billion dollars was real if he didn't receive a retraction, an apology and compensation by this Friday.

Speaker 23 Now the BBC has said that it will reply to this in due course, but this interview is a further reminder of the fact that the clock is ticking in that regard.

Speaker 9 So how possible is it for him to launch a lawsuit against the BBC from the United States?

Speaker 23 Well the letter from Mr. Trump's lawyer made mention of his intention to sue the BBC in Florida in the courts there.
And because the Panorama programme was broadcast on the 28th of October last year,

Speaker 23 Mr. Trump and his team have missed the one-year deadline for suing in the British courts.
But in Florida, the statute of limitation is two years.

Speaker 23 Although one key thing that his lawyers would have to prove if the case came to court was that the documentary had been available to watch here in the United States.

Speaker 23 And they would also have to show that the President suffered significant financial harm as a result of the Panorama broadcast. And of course, in order to get the sort of payout that Mr.

Speaker 23 Trump's legal team is seeking, they would have to prove that he suffered a billion dollars in losses.

Speaker 23 That said, there have been some very large defamation awards here, the highest to date being the $1.4 billion that the conspiracy theorist Alex Jones was ordered to pay to the families of the victims of the

Speaker 23 2012 Sandy Hook shooting, which he, Mr. Jones, had claimed was a hoax.
And Mr.

Speaker 23 Trump, of course, has a reputation for making legal claims for eye-watering amounts of money, including the $10 and $20 billion he sought from CBS News over the editing of an interview with Carmela Harris, only to settle out of court for significantly less.

Speaker 23 In that particular case, Anker CBS settled with him for $16 million.

Speaker 9 David Awillis speaking to me from Los Angeles.

Speaker 9 The Israeli parliament has passed the first reading of a bill that would impose the death penalty on people convicted of terrorism against the state.

Speaker 9 The National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gavir, whose far-right Jewish power party proposed the bill, has said it's aimed at deterring Arab terrorism and that terrorists will be released only to hell.

Speaker 9 That last remark appears to be a reference to the recent deals with Hamas, which saw Israel release Palestinian prisoners in exchange for hostages. Dr.

Speaker 9 Amir Fuchs is a lawyer and senior researcher at the Israel Democracy Institute, a Jerusalem think tank. He told my colleague James Kumrasamy about the bill.

Speaker 22 It's very vague, but at least on the surface, this is a discriminatory bill that's supposed to catch non-Jews, terrorists who attacked Jews with terrorist intentions.

Speaker 24 And what is the intention behind the bill, do you think?

Speaker 22 The intention is, first of all, to start executions in Israel, which we didn't have for more than 60 years. The only time the criminal system sent anyone to death in Israel is Adolf Eichmann in 1962.

Speaker 22 So Israel has no tradition of of executions of terrorists, although we had many terrorists in our history. So the idea here is to start it.

Speaker 22 And the people who suggest this bill, they know that there's a big majority in the people that support it. So it's also a populist suggestion.

Speaker 24 And the aim is deterrence, though, isn't it, I guess?

Speaker 22 Of course, what they say that it will deter the terrorists, but

Speaker 22 when I read research from the United States, which is the only Western democracy that has the capital punishment for murders, we see that it's very hard to show that there's any deterrence at all for the capital punishment.

Speaker 22 And of course, at least from my point of view, that when someone who is committing a terrorist attack, it's taking such a big chance for his life anyway.

Speaker 22 So the chances that the capital punishment will be something that deters him are very, very low.

Speaker 22 And also the position of the officials, of the heads of security services for years in Israel, was that it will not deter and even it would probably be counter-effective with fighting terrorism.

Speaker 24 It's still got a couple more parliamentary votes before it becomes law. What is your sense of whether it will eventually find its way on the statute books?

Speaker 22 There is a big chance that it will be ratified because there is a big public support for it.

Speaker 22 And we even saw in the first reading that most of the opposition were reluctant to come and to vote against and some of them even voted for. So there is a big chance.

Speaker 22 Still, there will be deliberations and the legal officers will try to persuade them that this is unconstitutional.

Speaker 22 And if it will be ratified, it is probable that the Supreme Court will say that it is unconstitutional.

Speaker 22 It still has a lot of obstacles until we will see someone who is convicted and sentenced to death.

Speaker 9 Dr. Amir Fuchs, a senior researcher at the Israel Democracy Institute.

Speaker 9 You might remember the story of two NASA astronauts who became stranded on the International Space Station after the capsule that was supposed to take them back to Earth experienced a series of technical problems.

Speaker 9 They came home in March after nine months on the ISS. Now, three Chinese astronauts are stuck in space after their craft was hit by debris.

Speaker 9 They had been due to return to Earth last week after a six-month mission on the Tiangong space station. The space journalist Leo Enright told us more about this delay.

Speaker 21 There's three tachyonauts, as they call them,

Speaker 21 who are stuck aboard the space station with three other cosmonauts, so many different names for them, who will be living and working on the station as a replacement crew for the next six months or so.

Speaker 21 The station isn't built for six people, so it's all a bit cramped. But hopefully they'll be able to return home soon.

Speaker 21 This is not the first time that this has happened, where a crew have been stuck in orbit because their spacecraft was hit by debris.

Speaker 21 It happened to the Russians several years ago, and they had to send up a replacement spaceship to bring that crew home.

Speaker 21 I think, I mean, reading the tea leaves, that on this occasion, Chinese officials are reasonably satisfied they can get the crew back using the vehicle that was damaged.

Speaker 21 But I'm watching Chinese state television as I'm speaking to you in case they break in to programming with a launch out of inner Mongolia, because they do have a replacement spaceship in Mongolia standing by, ready to launch if needed.

Speaker 9 Space journalist Leo Enright.

Speaker 9 Tuesday was Remembrance Day here in Britain. That's Veterans Day in the US and Armistice Day in France and Belgium.

Speaker 9 It's the anniversary of the end of the First World War, a day to look back at the sacrifices of past generations and consider the horrific cost of armed conflict.

Speaker 9 For Kevin Laidlaw of Scotland, it's also a day to think about family.

Speaker 9 His great-grandfather, Daniel Laidlaw, was a bagpiper in the First World War and won the Victoria Cross for rallying the troops at the Battle of Loos.

Speaker 9 He was one of only three pipers to win Britain's highest military honour. Now Kevin is campaigning to have a statue of him built in his hometown.
He told us about Daniel's acts of bravery.

Speaker 17 This was in the 25th of September 1915 at the Battle of Loos in France. And it was the first time the British were going to use poison gas.
The Germans had actually used it in Ypres in April 1915.

Speaker 17 The gas was just released from cylinders, so it was basically relying on the weather, the wind, to carry the gas out over the trenches.

Speaker 17 They released the gas about 6:30 in the morning, but it was actually falling into the Allied trenches and gassing our own men. And of course, nobody wanted to go over the parapet.

Speaker 17 So, my great-grandfather, Piper Laidlaw, struck up his pipes, played over the parapet, and it was only when he started to play Blue Bonnets Over the Border, which is the regimental march of the King's Old Scottish Borderers, that the men actually started to follow.

Speaker 17 You have to remember, this is playing a musical instrument. That's what he was armed with.
And trench warfare was just horrific.

Speaker 17 And the Germans would be raking machine gun, you know, inches off the ground.

Speaker 17 So to get up in that sort of environment, which must have been hell, to play a musical instrument to rally the men is unthinkable.

Speaker 17 I have vivid memories seeing the medals were actually displayed in my grandparents' house.

Speaker 17 But my overall memory was there was this big picture of him at the top of the stairs, and I always stopped to look at this funny man with this big sort of handlebar moustache on it.

Speaker 17 And now that picture hangs on my wall.

Speaker 9 Kevin Laidlaw.

Speaker 9 And that's all from us for now. But there will be a new edition of the Global News Podcast later.
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