The Happy Pod: Tea for two - sharing a brew with a stranger

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Speaker 1 This is the Happy Pod from the BBC World Service.

Speaker 1 Hello, I'm Oliver Conway. And in this edition, how approaching strangers for a chat could make us happier.

Speaker 8 When you do go up and ask someone and you start talking, you feel so much better and it's just so good for your mental health I've loved it this year's World Happiness Report highlights how people are more trustworthy than we think I'm deliberately mislaying 10 wallets across Belfast each with a note asking to call my number if found so how many of our ten wallets do you think will prompt a phone call

Speaker 1 and once again Finland is named the happiest country in the world also

Speaker 9 I had never seen somebody

Speaker 9 live like a full and happy life like with a speech impediment at the

Speaker 9 at the same time.

Speaker 1 The woman helping millions of people make their voices heard.

Speaker 1 This week saw International Happiness Day, and with it the release of a report showing strangers are much kinder than we think. Like this.

Speaker 4 Excuse me, I don't suppose you'd like a cup of tea, would you?

Speaker 5 Sorry?

Speaker 4 I don't suppose you'd like a cup of tea, would you?

Speaker 6 How do you like your tea? That's the big question to ask.

Speaker 8 Milk and no sugar.

Speaker 6 Milk and no sugar.

Speaker 12 Perfect.

Speaker 4 Excuse me. I'm sorry.
I don't suppose you want a cup of tea, do you? Sorry? I don't suppose you want a cup of tea, do you?

Speaker 13 I don't understand what you mean.

Speaker 4 So I'm a filmmaker. A filmmaker, yeah.

Speaker 6 And I make people cups of tea.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 6 And I go around London and I have teas with people and I make a little film about the tea that we have.

Speaker 3 Wow, would you be down for it, Lil's? Of course.

Speaker 1 That's 28-year-old Will Shears, who goes around parks in London handing out cups of tea. In return, people talk about about their lives.

Speaker 1 Will has started posting the chats on social media in a project called A Mug of Life. The Happy Pods Holly Gibbs spoke to him over, of course, a cupper.

Speaker 6 I've got my tea here. I've gone for a peppermint today.
I've already had my English breakfast.

Speaker 6 What flavour is your tea?

Speaker 12 It is English breakfast.

Speaker 3 Great.

Speaker 12 So I just want to hear about your a mug of life. What made you want to start this?

Speaker 6 Basically, I was on holiday with my sister out in Morocco. People on the beach in Morocco offer you cups of tea.

Speaker 6 Through that, you end up having a really good chat with them and hearing all about their life.

Speaker 6 And I was like flying back and I was like, is there a way to be able to go out to the parks in London and offer people a cup of tea?

Speaker 6 So one day I just got out of my flat and I went to the local park and I said to someone, I was like, excuse me, would you like a cup of tea? And the first person I went up to said, yeah.

Speaker 6 And I was petrified at the start. I was like, is anyone actually going to say yes to this? The majority of times I go up and say, do you want a cup of tea?

Speaker 6 People say yeah and you don't know where the story is going to take you and it's always surprising and it's always beautiful and this project has been really about like realising that everyone's got a great story.

Speaker 6 It's just untapping that extraordinary story that everyone has.

Speaker 12 And you get these amazing stories by just asking them something so simple as would you like a cup of tea? Is that what you would encourage other people to go out and do?

Speaker 6 I have never felt better.

Speaker 6 And like, yeah, we obviously we need to be cautious about talking to strangers, but I do think we've built this world where we're like, we think it's weird to go and talk to a stranger.

Speaker 6 Or when a stranger tries to start talking to you, you go, oh, and your guard goes up. Like, that's certainly for me.

Speaker 6 The nice thing about this project is it's made me realize that actually, when you do go up and ask someone and you start talking, you feel so much better. And it's just so good for your mental health.

Speaker 6 I've loved it. And the fact that, like, it's gone incredibly viral online, right? With millions of views.

Speaker 6 And I think that's because it touched this nerve that the fact that we've live in this world which is very celebrity conscious and here's a project which is very much about going out to talk to the ordinary person and then telling their story.

Speaker 12 And speaking of stories, what is the most memorable conversation that you've ever had with a stranger?

Speaker 6 It's really hard to have favourites. I sort of take things from each chat.

Speaker 6 Some of the stories that stand out of, for instance, there was a guy called Raza who hadn't spoken to his dad for years after his mum and dad had divorced.

Speaker 6 And he was talking over the cup of tea about how he would love to one day rekindle that friendship.

Speaker 6 There was also another guy called Brian who I met in Finsbury Park who basically ended up being friends with Robin Williams and that was just amazing.

Speaker 6 It's getting to know people and hearing their stories and still I think we leave like we're not strangers anymore. And that there's a beauty in that.

Speaker 6 And on the reaction from social media and people that have watched your videos, has that surprised you that millions of people have watched it and millions of people are enjoying it I have been blown away Holly by the response by how many people have watched it people from all around the world all parts of the globe and the messages that come in with so much positivity about how it's helped them with their day-to-day life it's amazing to know that people who are watching it it's inspiring other people it's making people feel better and and how do you feel when you walk away from one of these interactions of someone that you've just sat down and heard their life story sometimes like I'm so excited by what I've heard and it's like you like kick yourself what an extraordinary story that went on and at the end of it you're just sort of in awe.

Speaker 6 The way to describe how I feel afterwards sometimes is like honoured. I couldn't recommend it enough.
You should definitely go out and try it holly.

Speaker 12 I'm going to after this.

Speaker 6 You'll be blown away with where that story will take you.

Speaker 12 If there was one life lesson that you could sum up that you have learned throughout this project, what would it be?

Speaker 6 I think it's this it's been don't put barriers up and I think that that would be my one bit of advice is like just strip any barriers that are stopping you from doing that thing that you want to do in your life because when you like open your door and you get out the house that day and you start it then you're going to feel so much better.

Speaker 1 Will Shears talking to Holly Gibbs. According to this year's World Happiness Report, our belief in the kindness of strangers is closely tied to how happy we feel.

Speaker 1 We also tend to underestimate the level of kindness. Trust in strangers was measured measured by looking at how many people returned wallets that had been deliberately misplaced.

Speaker 1 The number was almost twice as high as expected. The BBC's Mark Easton marked the day by carrying out an experiment of his own.

Speaker 8 For years, researchers into happiness have been losing wallets on purpose.

Speaker 8 And today, here in Northern Ireland, I'm going to lose some too.

Speaker 15 Today is World Happiness Day and also sees the publication of the World Happiness Report, which this year says that places where people think strangers are generally kind, the sort of people who would return a lost wallet, well those places tend to be happier than places where they don't believe in the kindness of strangers.

Speaker 8 So I'm deliberately mislaying ten wallets across Belfast, each with a note asking to call my number if found.

Speaker 8 So how many of our ten wallets do you think will prompt a phone call? Are you more pessimistic than you need to be about the kindness of strangers?

Speaker 8 The academic guru of lost wallets says most people are, and that seriously damages community well-being.

Speaker 16 So you drop wallets, see how many are returned, then you compare it to what people think is the case, and it turns out wallets are returned twice as often as people think, or more.

Speaker 16 And if we could make them believe that it really was all the time, they'd be much happier.

Speaker 15 Where did you find it? Wallet finders across Belfast have started calling me. You're very kind.
Why did you return it? You could have just taken the money.

Speaker 17 Because that would have been nice to do, so we just decided to phone you. Just an honest person, it could be me, lost my wallet, or any change or anything.
It's nice to be nice.

Speaker 15 It should inspire us all to believe in the kindness of strangers. Very kind of you, sir.

Speaker 8 One finder, Al, insisted on delivering the wallet back to me in person.

Speaker 16 I'm only glad you're here to receive your wallet back again.

Speaker 15 So I dropped 10 10 wallets on the streets of Belfast. So how many do you think were offered back to me by kind strangers? Well, the answer is

Speaker 3 all 10.

Speaker 8 While our wallet experiment is not scientific, it does back up the evidence. Strangers are kinder than we think.
So happy World Happiness Day, everyone.

Speaker 1 Mark Easton, and he was talking to the founding editor of the World Happiness Report, John F. Helliwell from the University of British Columbia.

Speaker 1 If you've ever been helped by the kindness of strangers or made friends just by chatting to someone, we'd love to hear from you. Send an email or voice note to globalpodcasts at bbc.co.uk.

Speaker 1 The UN report also named Finland as the world's happiest country for the eighth year in a row, as another of the authors, Lara Acknin, explains.

Speaker 18 They're often topping the list with a lot of Nordic countries.

Speaker 18 It is hard to pinpoint exactly what Finland might have in terms of some secret sauce or perfect level of predictors, but it's been speculated there might be various factors, including a strong social safety net that provides people a sense of financial support should they need to leave their work, if they need health care, also education covered all the way from very young ages through university, but also the fact that a strong social safety net provides not just these financial resources and basic necessities, but also represents the idea that your neighbors, that your fellow countrymen are there by your side to support you.

Speaker 18 One important thing in the report is that we try to understand the global variations in these these rankings. So what helps explain the happiness differences across these countries.

Speaker 18 Some of these factors are typically beyond the reach of the average individual, like GDP per capita and healthy life expectancy, which you might be able to shape with some healthy choices.

Speaker 18 But two of my favorites to underscore are the importance of social support. So that is having someone to count on in times of need and engaging in personal acts of generosity for other people.

Speaker 18 Both of those have been shown to be strong independent predictors of well-being, and I think they're particularly powerful and potent because they're things that we can choose to engage in.

Speaker 1 Nara Aknin from the World Happiness Report. As well as all those positives, there's another side to Finland's happiness: the concept of sisu.

Speaker 1 The word is deeply ingrained in Finnish culture, but it has no direct translation in English.

Speaker 1 It's along the lines of inner strength, but there's more to it than that, as Stephanie Prentice has been finding out.

Speaker 19 From jumping in freezing lakes right after a sauna with friends

Speaker 19 to going back to basics in nature. We've heard about the benefits of the Finnish culture for promoting mental well-being, but within those happy activities lies something else, difficulty.

Speaker 19 Alongside the 2025 happiness report, officials in Finland were quick to point out that one of the secrets to happiness is embracing sisu.

Speaker 19 It's a word and a concept that doesn't translate, literally, but it's something we're told is important to every Finn. So we asked some of them to explain.

Speaker 19 Magnus Appleberg is a cold exposure enthusiast and teaches courses in Finland encouraging foreigners to embrace sisu.

Speaker 20 Every Finn is proud of the concept of sisou. So it's an innate power of facing adversities.

Speaker 19 When you have guests that may come from countries, for example, without so much of a cold climate, how do they react when you initially put them in those situations when they're in the icy water?

Speaker 20 It's a sight for Soras.

Speaker 20 Most people go into a state of shock and

Speaker 20 then they slowly, by using their breath, they come out of it. And you see, when their faces light up, it's like, wow, they've seen a total new world, a total new way of facing hard things.

Speaker 19 For Magnus, Sisu is a skill that can be built and for people living in urban environments he says start the day with a cold shower.

Speaker 20 You will feel the mental resistance stepping into an ice-cold shower. Turn the adversity into a relaxed situation.
Everybody can learn that.

Speaker 19 Petri Ka'connen is a wilderness guide in Lapland. He gave up his easy city life to live off the grid in a remote cabin and he says despite the hardship, he's never been happier.

Speaker 23 For me the CISO means like more the lifestyle.

Speaker 23 I don't have a real electric system I have solar panels and I can't actually even use electricity in December and it's our darkest month but it's like I really enjoy and I love that that time.

Speaker 19 What would your advice be to someone who might say I don't think I'm strong enough? I don't think I can do this.

Speaker 23 Ah you just need to

Speaker 23 trust yourself and like

Speaker 23 find the fight inside of your body and your mind.

Speaker 23 Go there and then relax your mind and be proud of you. And

Speaker 23 the rest is history.

Speaker 1 Wilderness Guide, Petrie Cook, on an ending that report from Stephanie Prentiss.

Speaker 1 And if you want to find out yet more about what makes Finland so happy, listen back to our special from last year, the happiest country country in the world.

Speaker 1 And still to come in the podcast.

Speaker 24 It's easier to climb on, have more matting on the island for comfort. Overall, it's just going to be hidden from the chaos.

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Speaker 1 Next to a woman helping to inspire confidence among those who find it hard to make their voices heard.

Speaker 1 Jessie Yendel from South Wales is one of an estimated 80 million people around the world with speech impediments.

Speaker 1 After years building up the courage to speak to people, she now has millions of followers on TikTok and is campaigning for others to be given the time and space they need to communicate.

Speaker 1 Gemma Dunstan has been to meet her.

Speaker 27 Excuse me, sorry to bother you. My name is Jessie and I have got a speech impediment.
Jessie Endel has struggled with confidence due to her stamina.

Speaker 27 But in 2021, she started challenging herself to take part in everyday activities.

Speaker 18 I'm trying to say it.

Speaker 28 I can't say.

Speaker 28 And I like to brighten up that people's day.

Speaker 28 I just want to hand yourself the flowers. I'd love to give you these jam flowers.

Speaker 28 I'm shaking. I thank you for speaking to me.
Oh, my gosh, you're crying right now.

Speaker 27 Her videos have seen her attract 3.5 million followers online.

Speaker 3 Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 27 One of them is 16-year-old Kitty.

Speaker 3 Oh, Oh my goodness, you're shaking.

Speaker 27 Seeing or meeting other people with a speech impediment doesn't happen often, either for Jesse or Kitty.

Speaker 3 I don't think I ever met

Speaker 9 another person with a speech impediment until I met

Speaker 9 one of my older brother's friends who had a speech impediment also.

Speaker 9 Then I found

Speaker 9 you in your account and your TikToks

Speaker 9 which, like, literally, because like I had never seen somebody

Speaker 9 live like a full and happy life, like with a speech impediment

Speaker 9 at the same time.

Speaker 14 Absolutely, like, it makes me feel

Speaker 14 like it makes me feel

Speaker 14 I'm really emotional that you felt that way because

Speaker 3 I'm a growing up.

Speaker 3 I never thought

Speaker 14 I'd be able to

Speaker 14 achieve my dreams because of my speech. And the fact that you have also felt the same way but then you saw yeah

Speaker 29 and my videos

Speaker 3 and that's exactly what

Speaker 14 I wanted to show people.

Speaker 27 Jesse has created a campaign to introduce a universal symbol for speech impediments with the hope that it would signify that someone needs patience or more time to say their words.

Speaker 29 I did do the clock and then like the speaking symbol. So yeah, so hopefully, hopefully, and we'll get this passed.

Speaker 3 I just want to hear like your thoughts on it.

Speaker 3 Um,

Speaker 9 I think it's such an amazing idea and such an amazing initiative because it would

Speaker 9 completely change my life and the lives of so many other people with speech impediments as well.

Speaker 27 Like, which is Jessie and Kitty are clear, they want your patience, not your pity.

Speaker 14 And it just means the world

Speaker 14 that we're having this conversation, and we're going to raise.

Speaker 9 even more awareness about suspicion penalties.

Speaker 3 Definitely. And it's exhausting.
So exhausting. So exhausting.

Speaker 1 Jesse and Kitty, ending that report from Gemma Dunstan. Microplastic pollution has been described by the UN as a growing threat to the health of humans and the planet.

Speaker 1 The tiny particles up to five millimeters in diameter enter rivers and oceans from rubbish, the plumbing system and factories, factories, among other sources.

Speaker 1 They're taken in by plants and animals, causing damage and entering the food chain. They've even been found in human organs.

Speaker 1 But now researchers in China say they have found a low-cost, sustainable way to filter microplastics out of water, using a sponge made from cotton and squid cartilage.

Speaker 1 Our science reporter, Esme Stellard, has been looking at the research. She spoke to Nick Miles.

Speaker 21 So microplastics can sort of enter our waterways, seas, rivers, general environment in kind of two ways.

Speaker 21 There's what we call primary microplastics, so this is where they're already very small.

Speaker 21 So, an example of this is when you wash your clothes, fibres can come off your clothes and enter your waterways. And actually, that's a really big source of it.

Speaker 21 There's also little bits of particles from your tyres is another really major source that runs off roads. And then there's secondary microplastics.

Speaker 21 So, this is when you a complete product like a plastic water bottle or a plastic bag gets thrown away, and then the natural environment breaks that down to smaller and smaller particles.

Speaker 21 It's kind of difficult, I would say, to overestimate the scale of the problem.

Speaker 21 You know, at the moment, the evidence around the harm to humans is kind of incomplete, but there are serious concerns, and that's because a lot of plastics have harmful toxins or additives put into them to kind of enable them to form their function.

Speaker 21 And we've seen, you know, plastic particles harming particularly marine wildlife.

Speaker 21 That's why it's so concerning that it's being found within our bloodstreams, and there's sort of ongoing research around that.

Speaker 1 Now, ASMI, this potential solution uses an intriguing combination of substances, doesn't it?

Speaker 21 They're calling it a fibrous foam, but it's basically made out of two main materials.

Speaker 21 One is cellulose, which they've extracted from cotton, and the other is something called chitin, which they've taken from the skeleton or from the structure of a squid, which seems very strange.

Speaker 21 But chitin is actually very, very common. It's in various different organisms, in insects, crustaceans, but also fungi.
Effectively, it's long chains of carbohydrates.

Speaker 21 So they're the two main materials that they've used.

Speaker 21 And it's actually really kind of crucial to the success of this solution that they've used those materials because they're so abundant, which makes it quite cheap to produce.

Speaker 1 And it effectively works as a filter. Is it 100% effective?

Speaker 21 It was 99.9% successful in the first use of it. But what they found that was also really good is that they could almost recycle it.

Speaker 21 So they used it four or five times in their experiments, and even after five uses, the effectiveness was still about 95%, which is really significant and it really helps to kind of lower the cost again in the manufacturing process.

Speaker 1 You were saying that these substances are easy to get hold of, so I imagine the idea of being able to scale this up is a real possibility.

Speaker 21 These are two really abundant materials in the natural environment. Chitin is actually the most abundant polysaccharide, polysaccharide, which is what it is.

Speaker 21 And as I said, it's found in many sources, which is fantastic.

Speaker 21 But the other thing that's really, really good about this is one of the other main limitations to scaling up these types of solutions is that they can often involve very complex processes and sometimes the need to add toxic chemicals to that process.

Speaker 21 But actually, what's amazing that the scientists have done here is something called self-assembly, which is basically these two materials have been forced together and it is able to create this structure naturally.

Speaker 21 And that's really fantastic because it cuts down the production process and the complexity of it. And so the scientists in this case are hoping certainly that it can be scaled up quickly.

Speaker 21 They're currently applying for a patent for the material and they're searching for industrial partners to see if it can be produced, as we say, on a bigger scale.

Speaker 1 Yes, mate, Stalard, talking to Nick Miles.

Speaker 1 Now to a rather unusual retirement home for African penguins. It's been created at the New England Aquarium in Boston as part of efforts to protect the creature.

Speaker 1 In the wild, the African penguin population declined by more than a third between 2018 and 2023, leading to warnings that they could be extinct within 10 years. Harry Bly has this report.

Speaker 24 One of the many nicknames for the African penguin is beach donkey because they sound like donkeys when they're screaming.

Speaker 26 That's Mia Luzietti, one of the penguin trainers at the New England Aquarium. Six penguins, Harlequin, Durban, Boulders, Isis, Lambert, and Dyer, will join Island Zero.

Speaker 24 It's easier to climb on, it's more flat, we have more matting on the island for comfort, and overall, it's just going to be hidden from the chaos that can be a large colony of some youngsters.

Speaker 26 On the retirement island, trainers like Mia will tend to the penguins' more complex health needs, such as liver and eyesight problems, arthritis, and other mobility issues.

Speaker 24 And so, a lot of those birds have had acupuncture, physical therapy, laser therapy, even.

Speaker 24 Several of the birds on that island have gone through cataract procedures. Lambert gets daily eye drops multiple times a day.

Speaker 26 Five of these penguins are now around double the life expectancy of this species, which in the wild is 10 to 15 years.

Speaker 26 That's because as they age and slow down, they lose the ability to hunt for fish and are more likely to themselves be eaten by a predator.

Speaker 26 Native to the coasts of South Africa and Namibia, there's been a sharp decline in numbers in recent years, in part due to human activity like overfishing, pollution and climate change.

Speaker 26 So how does the Penguin Retirement Village in Boston help with this? Mia says the aquarium is part of an international conservation effort.

Speaker 24 We're learning amazing things from these animals as they age.

Speaker 24 And basically we can take information that we are learning from our colonies and our animals here and directly apply that to their wild counterparts through that initiative.

Speaker 26 One example is studying the penguins' optimal environment and the types of nest they live in. In their natural habitat, African penguin guano or excrement is harvested by humans to use as fertilizer.

Speaker 24 That's a big issue because they nest in their guano. Sounds a little gross, but they make very good tunnels and burrows with it.

Speaker 24 And so we could apply, okay, this type of material is preferred by them, this type of hut is preferred by them. And then those types of huts were actually planted out there.

Speaker 26 A court in South Africa has imposed six no-fishing zones around key penguin breeding colonies around the Western Cape, preventing fishing boats from catching sardines and anchovies for the next 10 years.

Speaker 26 Meanwhile, in Boston, staff planned to install more flat areas and shallow slopes to help the older penguins climb on and off their new island.

Speaker 1 And that was Harry Bly.

Speaker 1 Now, in our last episode, my colleague Alan Smith asked for your happy sounds, and Helen, a truck driver from New Brunswick in Canada, sent us this message.

Speaker 30 I like the sound of skipping a rock. on a frozen pond or river.
I'm here in Canada and it sounds out of this world.

Speaker 1 Well, she didn't have her own recording, but we wanted to hear what was so special about it. So we found some.

Speaker 1 Well, Helen says she can just imagine a very primitive human doing this and being in awe of the extraordinary noise. And she said she was amazed when she first heard it herself.

Speaker 1 So, if you have a sound that makes you happy, send us an email or voice note to globalpodcast at bbc.co.uk.

Speaker 1 And that is all from us for now. But you can watch some of our interviews on YouTube by searching for The Happy Pod.

Speaker 1 This edition was mixed by Chris Hansen and produced by Holly Gibbs and Rachel Bulkeley. Our editor is Karen Martin.
I'm Oliver Conway. Until next time, goodbye.

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