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Yeah, not the way we drew it up, but the battle in these guys, you know, it's so much fun. And I'm so honored to be a part of this team.
And they never quit.

And, you know, it's just fun to be a part of.

Hey, welcome to Heath the Call and NFL Podcast, the Monday night recap

with the week 15 power rankings Dan Hansis with Mark Sessler, Connor Orr,

not here,

but Justin Graver on the ones and twos.

Sorry about that.

I just miss him when he's gone is all. Let's list all the people that aren't here.
We could spend all day doing that. You know, after this game, this uh wild not pretty

but entertaining 2219 win by the chargers over the eagles

uh jim harbaugh in classic jim harbaugh manner

said this of his quarterback

he's a superhero quarterback of his banged up warrior QB1 Justin Herbert.

According to our old buddy Omar Ruiz,

he ranked this victory,

this grotesque victory, up there with the birth of his children. No, geez.

Okay.

Justin, maybe we could grab some Harbaugh by the bottom of the hour because I imagine he's on a heater in this game, after this game.

A huge win for the Chargers.

The exact type of win, Ceci,

that

the type of game you don't want to get into with a Jim Harbaugh team. Because, what's that old like saying, Mark? It's like,

you know, you never want to get into a fight with a pig in the slop because the difference between you and the pig is the pig likes it. Right.
Like, yeah, I don't.

The Harbaugh Chargers like a nasty game like this, and it fell right into the Eagles fell right into the trap, and they go home, fly home highly disappointed after a turnover late-in disaster of a Monday night.

A real bizarre contest because I think the thing we've been saying about the Chargers weekly is can they survive the offensive line losses? They're two tackles.

And tonight, if you know, they gave up seven sacks and your quarterback, I do think he's heroic.

I understand where Harbaugh, and he's a little bit hyperbolic, but like your quarterback is playing with a

battered left hand that just went through surgery days ago.

It was a heroic performance from that angle. You're getting crushed back there.

The line is not holding up and yet you come through. And I give Greg Roman,

you know, I give Greg Roman a lot of credit, who was a pupil of our friend Vicfangio.

worked under him as an assistant back in the day, and they know each other very well, and he found ways to make this offense work in key moments, but yet nothing really worked for either team.

and and and i here's the thing like the even though the chargers won isn't the story like we just can't get off this eagles thing like your quarterback melted down tonight that i don't know if i've ever seen a football game where a quarterback threw an interception and also fumbled on the same play

He accounted for five turnovers and then you're gone because the rest of the offense still has the same issues. But that, it was a peculiar, strange outlier game.

We'll get to the Eagles side of it, but you know, with the Chargers,

yeah, there's so many things missing from this team, and obviously, most of the offensive line, including the two superstars that they had on

each end. And it is an issue

that the Eagles put constant pressure on Herbert. It was outrageous the amount of pressure Herbert faced playing with a hand that he was on an operating table a week ago.

exactly one week ago, he got surgery on his hand, and he's not close to 100%.

I have to be honest, like even after this game, and we know Trey Lance, who's the backup on this team, is not someone you want getting extended play in the NFL.

I don't think Justin Herbert should have played this game. I think he was in harm's way the entire time.

A lot of the ball security issues he had, you could tell, were directly related to his inability to properly protect the ball, and he had to kind of guard himself.

He gets his elbow banged up as well, that's bleeding throughout the game. They change the bandage over and over.
I mean, it really was gutsy.

I thought it was a little lucky, too, that Harbaugh gets out of here with his QB still intact. It was a very important win for the Chargers, who are now 9-4 and are in great position.

They're probably not going to catch the Broncos. Probably not.
They're two out with four to play in the AFC West, but they are in great position and now three full games clear of the Chiefs.

So that loss now stings even more.

But yeah,

you have to give credit to Herbert's guts, but a couple guys that really stand out.

Cameron Dicker, Dicker the kicker. We just saw the clinic that Brandon Aubrey put on in the beginning of the week.
UT, shout out, Longhorns. Justin points out.
It's a Justin podcast.

Absolutely nails in this game. Yep.
Five for five, including the go-ahead 54-yard field goal in overtime. He also kicks the one at the end of regulation that gets this game to overtime.

And then the play at the end of the game, and I'm still trying to,

every time they played the replay, obviously Jalen Hurts gets tricked on it, right? Because it really looks like his receiver flashes open.

Who was the, was it Devonta Smith that flashes open there?

Peels out right toward the the pylon. It looks like a game-winning touchdown.
Herbert and Aikman pointed this out throughout the game.

The timing is off with this offense, and Hurts is a major reason why that's the case.

His receiver flashes open for a moment. Cam Hart makes a beautiful athletic play, peeling off his man to deflect the ball, and then Tony Jefferson intercepts the pass at the one-yard line.

The fifth turnover for Hurts, four interceptions, lost that fumble two after one of of his interceptions.

An absolute disaster class for the Eagles quarterback. And Mark, like I'll throw it to you on the Eagles with this.
They're fine. Like you look at their upcoming schedule.

They're going to make the playoffs and they're going to win the NFC East. So they're going to be hosting a home game in January.

They have three games against two of the worst teams in football right now. They are home against the Raiders next week.
They're at Washington the week after that, maybe without Jaden Daniels again.

They get the commanders again at home in week 18, and they're at Buffalo in between that. So,

three games out of their last four are against the dregs of the league. They should be fine, but it doesn't tell the whole story.

This is an Eagles team that once again showed us in primetime that they have a lot of warts, and it's getting to the point where it might not be curable.

I could not agree more in the sense that it feels more like the team from two years ago. And of course, the league thought that Philadelphia versus Washington twice in the final

month of the season would have been massive Titanic clashes, but it's not the case. And it's a team that I look at them just like, I don't want

angry youths to be throwing eggs or objects at Kevin Petullo's house, but like the bottom line is Kevin Petullo, Nick Siriani, the whole cast and crew,

they have run out of time for us to say, you still can figure it out. I just think this is what they are.
And to me, they feel like a team that's going to get picked off in the playoffs.

Like, you're right. They're going to win the division.
They're going to do all this, but you can't have this game from your quarterback, number one.

And this was like a bit of an outlier for Jalen Hurts. This is not, he's not.
He's sort of consistent in the sense where he's. I think he had three turnovers all season entering this game.

He had two, I believe it was. It was two, two interceptions, at least.
So it's like, this is not who he is.

So I don't don't want to over panic about what happened tonight, but in general, and, you know, AJ Brown and Saquon both crossed 100 yards tonight.

They found a different way to do the tush push with that pitch to Saquon. Like, it's not that they're not trying.
It's not that they're not inventive. It's not that they don't have good players.

Devonta Smith is an unheralded, like, great addition to this offense as well. Like, they've got these guys.
I think their offensive line is a tick lower than it's been in the past. They're banged up.

That changes things a lot about how they could force their will on people in the past, but something is not right. And we all see it.

And when something's just not right, it's like we can't explain it exactly, but it's like this is not exactly working. And it's not going to work at some point in January.

And we're going to wave farewell to them. Okay, so

here's what I think is different right now about this team and that 23 team. The 23 team was an outright collapse on both sides of the ball.
If you remember, they had so many issues.

And in the locker room, too. Yes, they had so many issues in their secondary.
They couldn't cover. They obviously stopped communicating as well.
There was just all these coverage busts.

They were non-competitive. The offense was totally out to lunch.
This game shows you that the defense is still playing hard, even without Jalen Carter in this game.

They got after the quarterback. They made life very, very difficult for Justin Herbert, who's not 100%, but still, I thought it was a really good performance.

Cooper DeJean, like, completely locking down Lad McConkey, showing why he's such a valuable

Jordan Davis making huge plays. Like, they turn the ball over multiple times.
They put the ball on the ground multiple times. Like,

the Fangio side of the ball is living up to where they need to be, especially after the horrible Bears performance last week. So, that was, I would imagine, a big positive here.

But, yeah, the offense is broken, and you could put the positivity rabbit in the locker room. Um, did you see this? This

I thought this was not real at first, and it's like, well, nothing is not real at this point. So, yeah, especially in this season.

Ashlyn Sullivan, the Eagles have installed the, quote, positivity rabbit in the locker room. It showed up today, and the offensive line stressed to me they are not sad.

They just wanted the good vibes bunny. It's a happy Beast or Easter blow up.
You know, one thing about that is like, what happens when you come into your locker room after a loss like this game?

And now I know they were on the road here, but I don't think that rabbit's going to make it out alive. I don't think anybody makes it out alive in Philadelphia by the end of the season.

But yeah, the offense remains the problem. And one of the reasons Hurts had only two turnovers entering this game is because, and there was reports, there is some discord behind the scenes there, that

he's not seeing the field or he's unwilling to pull the trigger and push the ball downfield because he's protecting the ball and not just playing like with his instincts the way they want him to.

And this is what happened today when I guess he kind of loosened those reins a little bit. So we'll see.

How many Super Bowl winning quarterbacks do we, outside of maybe like a latter period, Russell Wilson, who do we say that about?

Like, that's a weird report that that's where, that's what he's struggling with. Like, he's been ungodly successful, like, that that's what his real struggles are.

I don't know. The Eagles are just, they're a bizarro operation.
I don't know. So why are we celebrating Easter? It's not even Christmas yet.
It's not even Easter. They're not celebrating Easter.

They're celebrating the positivity of this bunny that is associated with, I guess,

the

Christ is risen side of

religion, save for the theology podcast. Yeah, well, there's a lot happening there.

Sure. And the Easter bunny as a figure is a towering, literally in this case, figure of positivity.

But he's literally holding or next to a fence that says, happy Easter. So I'm like in the photo.
They'll take it up with Big Dom. He's the one that stole it off somebody's lawn.

It's probably like hard to procure a giant inflatable rabbit that doesn't have Easter associations, you know? Yeah.

But they, you know, they got the big, they got the big touchdown run from Barkley in this game. Yep.

And they got a really good defensive performance. And then the quarterback kills them.
It just feels like this is a team that keeps springing leaks. And yet.

The scheduling gods have shined down on them. And

they should go three and one or two and two at the very worst down the stretch. And because the Cowboys already have six losses, that should be enough.

But,

yeah, this was a frustrating loss. How could it not be when your quarterback has five turnovers, including two on the same play?

Can't make that up. I don't know if that's ever happened.

It did.

I think they said something had happened in the 70s, maybe, but

it's pretty crazy.

uh what else did i want to talk about in this game you know what i think it's a big deal that omerion hampton is back for the chargers like um he gave them and they've got vidal as well like they've got they've got that they've got these good running backs like you can see a path for them to win games on offense um but it's health they're they're a health team

Justin Herbert, according to NextGen stats, Justin Herbert ended this game with a 68.3% pressure rate, the sixth highest in a game, minimum 20 dropbacks over the past 10 seasons.

How the hell did he survive this game? I mean, geez, I thought Harbaugh dodged a bullet on this one. He really did.

Let's, oh, by the way, Herbert,

Laura Rutledge, after this game, is you know,

doing her job. Her ass is in the jackpot if she doesn't get Herbert during the post-game, right?

Uh, but we, we, being America, an international audience tuned in late at night wherever you are in the universe

you you got to see Justin Herbert be clearly perturbed that he had to do this assignment

I know

But can we just talk to you really fast? Shout out, Laura Rutlitz. She's doing her job.
That's not an easy job. And that chaos and an emotional win with a sudden ending on the interception.

And I thought just as entertaining to me anyway as Herbert being, you know, TO'd there, but then be like, I'm going to, the PR guy's going to get on my ass.

My ass will be in the jackpot if I blow her off here. He does it.
And then she asks, I think, one question too many. And Herbert,

I like him trying to end this as quickly as possible, this question. We know you were dealing with a broken hand tonight.
You gutted it out. You were hit multiple times.
How are you feeling right now?

Feeling pretty good, thank you.

You've just illustrated

another one. You've illustrated 94% of my bar encounters with the opposite sex in the 80s and 90s.

80s? How old are you? Not 80s. Not 80s.
I wasn't in a bar in the 80s, but like 90s, early 20s.

Like, my math, I have improperly exposed my PR age of 1047.

I give Rutledge credit there.

She worked through that. She did.
Well, she got it. She got it.

She got it. Yeah.

All right. So there you go.
That is Monday Night Football. I found hardboss stuff if you want it.
Yeah, let's listen to Jim. He's got to be feeling no pain.

So this is him hugging his quarterback on the field after the game.

Fun.

And this is

a primal scream. Okay.
This guy's a fucking lunatic. I love him.
Go ahead. This is his locker room speech to the team after the game.
Nice.

Very Will Ferrell. We're going streaking energy there.

Cameron Kicker!

I like a locker room speech that could have been given to seven-year-olds, and it would have had the same effect, like it was for all people that compete.

I also do like having formerly worked in that complex,

the idea of 51,000 furious Eagles fans trying to

get off Prairie Boulevard right now. They're like trapped.

Which is probably still my restructuring. Still just a rat in a cage.

Safe travels, Eagles fans.

Go back from once you came. Then you got to go to LAX.
You are in a hellscape. Oh, man.
There's going to be some fist fights at the Dunkin' Donuts at LAX. That's my prediction.

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Speakable tragedy confirmed to us by ABC News in New York City.

John Lennon, outside of his apartment building on the west side of New York City, the most famous, perhaps, of all of the Beatles, shot twice in the back, rushed to Roosevelt Hospital, dead on arrival.

45 years ago on Monday night football, a game between the Dolphins and Patriots, that was Howard Kosell letting the world know that John Lennon had been murdered in New York City.

It's crazy to me, Ceci,

just trying to wrap your head around

that happening in the middle of a football game. And I know a lot of our younger listeners and viewers might not be aware.

Like everybody knows, even young people know that the Beatles were a very popular band, but they were maybe the most important figures in Lennon, especially him and McCartney.

But maybe even Lennon is, I think,

Kosel says

in that windup, he says, you know, perhaps the most popular of all of the Beatles

for him to be

murdered and taken away so suddenly. And then all of a sudden that just being dropped on America the way it was.
I can't even imagine

what it was like, and

how do you process that? And then for Kosell, and I think it was Don Meredith in the booth, like

how do you, how do you call an overtime after that? That's just like a crazy thing, 45 years ago tonight.

It's a jarring way to

broadcast that. But he was a jarring individual, Kosell.

And he handled it well. I mean, that was.
Yeah, no, I guess like they probably told him to do it. Like it wasn't, he wasn't doing it far afield.
But I have a weird memory from that because

while I was not in bars in the 80s, I misspoke there, but like

I was meant to go to Barnum and Bailey Circus in New York City.

like a day later or two days later and my dad came down I was on the couch watching like cartoons he's like well we can't go to Barnum and Bailey Circus because they're doing the memorial for John Lennon

who was killed and so so Mark didn't go to the circus, which is not the headline here, but like.

Yeah, that would probably be a little lower in the

new stack.

I used to live on 82nd in Amsterdam on the upper west side of the Dakota.

I think John Madden lived there.

Yeah, I mean,

a lot of famous people live there. I think it's on like 72nd or 73rd in Central Park West.
So it was like a stone's throw from where I lived for a couple of years in the mid-2000s.

And I'm a huge Beatles fan. And, you know, if you're

as we all are, right? Yeah. Like, if you're a, if you're a big fan of music and rock music, like you all, everyone goes through a Beatles phase.

And

then you go through a John Lennon phase. And some of us go through a Paul McCartney phase or a George Harrison phase.
I kind of did that, but I definitely was a Lennon guy. And I remember one night

going to my buddy Mark's apartment, and I think we watched like a playoff game or something, and had a few drinks. And I was, you know, I had quite a buzz.
And I decided to walk home.

And I walked to the Dakota, and it was late, and it was just eerily silent and still. And it was that exact spot because the building is exactly the same.
New York City.

And I just went back to New York a couple of years weeks ago.

And it reminded me, and it was, this is a warm thing, that New York, obviously, there's always new buildings going up and things coming down, but it's not like LA. LA, they tear down everything.

And LA, as beautiful as the city is in many ways, like they're, they're so bad about preserving their history and their buildings. New York, so much of the place is what it looked like 100 years ago.

Yeah. And the Dakota looks exactly the same as it did in December of 1980.
And just kind of being there,

I could still picture that and remember that. And across the street in Central Park is where you'll see the Imagine Strawberry Fields Forever set up.

It's just, you know, one of those New York things that

you kind of go through that phase. And yeah, 45 years ago, John Lennon left us.
Crazy. The absurd Mark David Chapman figure pulled it off.
So wait, Lennon was your favorite Beatle.

I think mine is McCartney.

Yeah,

I have a lot of respect for Paul McCartney, especially after watching that

crazy Beatles, like Let It Be documentary, I think it was, from a couple of years ago.

And you just saw how he ran that show

and he, and it wasn't always easy. But, like, yeah, I think, I don't know.
I just thought Lennon had that kind of little bit of like acid tongue. And that I feel like you would be the Lennon guy.

I feel like I would be the McCartney guy, and you would be the Lennon guy. Well, Lennon did have his,

you know, he broke up with Yoko for like the one year and went to LA. And one of our, one of our tropes is Mark bringing up John Lennon's Lost Weekend, the Lost Weekend.
It was a year ago.

It was a full year, actually. It was a year.

I did see a survey that 98% of our listeners

overseas are Ringo fans. They're Ringo fans.
So it's a bit of a split with our sensibilities. There's a faction of musicians that are like, don't you dare say anything bad about Ringo.

He was a brilliant, unique drummer.

I'm not even comfortable with you mocking him the way you just did. I know.
I know. I'm saying that, like, maybe to the credit of our listeners,

that's their guy. Okay.
according to this poll that I read.

I'd like to see the date on that. All right, let's do some news.

He's going for 90-yard touchdown, 90-yard touchdown.

Hey, 17. You see, I ain't talking about

it.

Yeah, but don't do that by my ear. Don't do it by my ear.

I will do it by my ear.

I will do it.

How about this? What a story.

With Daniel Jones out for the season, Tornwright Achilles,

Notre Dame alum Riley Leonard, the third stringer,

dealing with the knee injury, Anthony Richardson in parts unknown dealing with a, you know, that unfortunate eye injury, the Colts are doing a very...

There's still an Ursae running the show thing

by turning to retired NFL great Philip Rivers potentially as an emergency solution. The Colts, this was reported by

Schefter amongst others, will bring in Rivers, who last played in the NFL in 2020 for a workout Tuesday.

The Colts haven't yet decided to sign Rivers and Rivers has yet to determine whether he would play Asora said.

Rivers mark turned

44 today. Today's his birthday.
How about that? I mean, what a weird season.

This is such a, I, this is a drunken season of professional football, and everything is just so wacky about it, right down to this Philip Rivers story breaking on his actual birthday where he turns 44.

As a fellow, a fellow geriatric millennial mark

at 45, I'm rooting hard that Phil Rivers gets on the field.

But at the same time, it says so much about what the hell has happened to this once Super Bowl-promising promising level cult season. It's,

I don't know, I'm with you. Like this, I feel like this season is kind of like a holiday party where like at some point

you realize I shouldn't be here anymore. Like I'm only going to damage my reputation.
But like this is a team under Chris Ballard that chased a you know, 11th hour Matt Ryan,

Joe Flacco.

And here they are doing this. I just

active players at least.

I'm totally. I did Andrew Luck after, like years after he retired, asking if he would come back and play for them again.
Right. Like, I'm not justifying it.
It's totally wild to me.

It's wild to me also because if anything about Philip Rivers that we know is this is one of like America's

intentionally great and productive family men, right? He's got like a thousand children or 13 or 14 children, to be real.

And like when the Chargers moved from San Diego to Los Angeles, everything he built his schedule around was being home

to be able to find a way to be home with his kids. So you're going to go to Indianapolis.
Now, it's only a couple games, but like

and do this?

Are you in shape? Like, I'm assuming he's still in shape. I don't know.

I can't put it together because I feel also it's like, where is like Ryan Tannehill in this equation or someone like that who is maybe closer to having played actual football?

I also think Phillip Rivers probably could come in and win a couple games and be one of the coolest things that we've seen. So that's why I'm rooting for it.
It doesn't really make

a lot of sense to bring in a guy that's been retired for four years

that

even, you know, he was productive in his final season, but clearly physically, his arm strength was on the decline. To expect him to be able to sling it would be wild.
But, you know what?

It is in line with, and she's kind of gone off the national radar a little bit since the team started struggling, but Carly Ursa Gordon prowling that

sideline with the

notepad and the headset on, like she is her father's daughter. And this is the same

team that plucked Jeff Saturday out of a ESPN studio to be a head coach a couple years ago. So they are, that is, they're an unconventional team.

And even though Jim Ursa is no longer with us, this shows they still have the capability of making unconventional decisions.

Do you think it's her idea or a Shane Steichen idea? Like, I mean, because Shane Steichen is a huge part of this.

Yeah, I guess we'll find out. And maybe this workout goes poorly and it's much ado about nothing.

But

yeah, I would imagine, you know, you mentioned Ryan Tannehill. Tannehill's been out of the league for a couple of years, but also Rivers played with the Colts at the end of his career.

So there is a, even though the offense is, I guess, different,

there's a level of, you know, familiar

nature to it. So I don't know.
It's a crazy, wild story. A great like Monday week 14, heading into week 15 story to drop.
And I think we're all kind of rooting to see him

get on the field.

It would restart. I thought about this.
This doesn't really matter to anyone, I would imagine, besides Philip Rivers. He is a Hall of Fame quarterback.
It would restart restart his Hall of Fame clock.

Um, yeah, you're right, he'd have to go five more years. He'd have to wait five more years if he came back.
I feel like, I don't know, man, life is short. You never know what could happen.

Like having the gold jacket ceremony, um,

you know, restarting that clock

for to play with this Colts team, this dead ass Colts team now for four weeks is a bit of a risk, but maybe he's got that itch. Maybe he's just got and he like he's literally a grandfather.

he does he has if people aren't aware i think he has like 10 kids

yeah he's like antonio cremardi probably like from a little bit of a different angle in terms of how you planned that um yeah i would say phil would say i have a very different perspective on fatherhood than cremardi um does

uh he has 10 children with his wife tiffany seven daughters and three sons the youngest was born in 2023 This isn't like, oh, my kids are all out of the house now, so you know,

no, like they are, they are still in it.

Their oldest son, Gunner, has become a prominent high school quarterback. Wait, does Gunner have a kid? Like, how

well are you? Do you have that on solid reporting that he's a grandfather?

I read that. Hold on.

Yes, I believe it's absolutely true.

Why does it have to be the oldest child?

Yes, he is a grandfather. Yes, oldest daughter, Haley, had a baby boy.

So I nailed it. We need it.
Good job, Mark. I'm sorry to even

suggest that I've

been incorrect. Exactly.

And yes, Brady, Tom Brady retired at 45.

So even if he comes back, he wouldn't be the oldest quarterback in recent memory, but he's right there and he's three years older or two years older, I should say, than Aaron Rodgers. All right.

Let's see. Anything else we want to get in? Speaking of the Daniel Jones situation,

the Colts could tag Jones. This is from reporting by Burt Breer.
The Colts, here's a quote. The Colts could franchise tag Jones in 2026 to see how the rehab goes, but that won't be cheap.

Last year, the quarterback franchise tag number was $40.2 million. Next year, it will be $46 projected.

That's not only triple what Jones is making now, it also gives Jones the leverage to land a deal in the range of 50 million per year. Are the Colts prepared to do that sort of deal with a quarterback?

I don't think they would. That's just speculation.
Well, also, like, what like year, like, or season one or offseason after Achilles injury for

not the youngest kind of player in the league? Like, um, yeah, I would, I would, what are we doing here? I would not do that, but uh, okay.

Um, all right, uh, a couple quick notes: uh, the Patriots, Ravens, week 16 game has been flexed to Sunday night football. Bengals Dolphins is out.
Pushed to 1 p.m.

That is the butterfly effect of the Bengals once again failing to win a shootout this time on Sunday against the Bills.

Your boy Shadir Sanders will be the QB1 the rest of the season for the Cleveland Browns coming off that really strong performance against the Tytoons.

And I thought this thing was interesting. Did you see what

with the Raiders

and Broncos on Sunday? Oh, the winner.

Like, I think the Desert was a little upset about this, if that's where you're going. Well, not the Desert, the people that do business with the Desert.
Yeah.

I would say that would be the PO. Was this a Connor game? This was a Mark game.
Okay, Mark. Take us through it because this was a game

that the Broncos had in hand. It was, what, 24-7

with about, what, three minutes to play?

So the score is 24 to 7, okay, in the fourth quarter. And then with 222 to go,

the Raiders

pull off a touchdown, making it 24 to 14. With 222 to go,

they get the ball back,

and with five seconds to go in the game, so time runs out, they decide we're just going to kick a field goal um to make it 24 to 17 which uh justin i believe like rocked the over under it covered the spread it covered the spread and so you know you have people online last night going nuts and you know i this is not like the like the dave portnoy type guy was going crazy saying that like you know, Pete Carroll should be taken out by an assassin's bullet or something.

And also, it is the Las Vegas Raiders

operating in Las Vegas.

And at the end of the game,

the clock's running out the last seconds of the game because the Raiders get tackled inbounds. And the referees throw a flag because they said that Denver defender didn't get...

off the ball carrier quick enough. And they call delay of gate a game to stop the clock with under 10 seconds left.

And then Carroll, to top it off, sends out the field goal team to kick the field goal to make it seven points as time expires. It really didn't make any sense.
A little fishy.

And Carol was asked about it on Monday.

And then when it went down to five and went down to three or whatever they did, and then they put it back to five, whatever, then I knew it was going to look stupid.

Like you couldn't figure out why we were doing it. So,

but

one, it was eight. I was trying to get it to 10.
I was talking 10, you know, with the guy trying to get it back up. And I thought I'd had a chance to plea it and

plead it and they might give me a shot. And so

that was just competing all is all it was. But,

you fans couldn't understand. Like, you're asking the question, but

there was a real clear thought what we were trying to get down there just to take it down to the very last click. Yeah, I don't think that doesn't really answer the question.
It does. It doesn't.

It doesn't. But I mean, we've been lucky enough to go to these owners' meetings and stuff.
Like, we've met Pete Carroll. Like, does he strike you as someone that is tangled up with

gambling individuals? Go read his Wikipedia about his USC tenure.

Well, I don't claim that he's without skeletons in the closet. I'm not saying that he was on the take here.

I'm just saying I was hoping Pete had an actual explanation there. That was not an explanation.
And he didn't have an actual explanation.

He said that he thought there could be enough time on the clock where he could kick the field goal and then recover an on-site kick and then throw a Hail Mary or whatever, which would make sense.

But once they put the five seconds on the clock, there's no reason at that point to send your kicker out unless you're just trying to make the case that the kicker needs practice.

And in one of the worst weekends of officiating that we've seen all season or in many seasons,

you know, they don't look pure in it either. Yeah.

You're not going to see me like

going on

Instagram Live to say like I stand with Portnoy or whatever.

I understand he got himself into some trouble here with some comments he made, but I don't disagree that it's a little fishy. Yeah, it's

a little weird. Yeah.
And,

you know,

I don't know, man. It's weird.
And Justin's quiet because he lost about 270 bucks off of this, and he's not happy. And I know that for a fact.

This idea that I gamble weekly on the NFL is just, I tried to explain this last week. I am in Texas.
I cannot place bets from Texas. I placed.

a number of preseason bets to carry me and give me additional rooting interest throughout the season. That's why I play so many.

Have you or have you not been in touch with Pete Carroll in the last 72 hours?

Answer the question. I have not.
But if I had, my number one priority would have been getting him on this show to explain himself.

And maybe talk about that 2006 national title game with Vince Young going around the right edge to the pylon. I remember it.
I watched it, Justin. Hell yeah.

All right, let's take a break and we'll hit the power rankings.

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All right, we are back. We got to get to the power rankings, but I made that

offhanded comment that Mark, I slightly regret now about UT defeating USC at the height of the Pete Carroll era with Vince Young going off and winning the game single-handedly in 2006.

And during the commercial break, Justin started telling a story so peculiar and so striking in its oddity that I said, stop right there. Let's talk about it on the show.

Go ahead, Justin, take us through the national title game, USC,

UT 2006. So I was 13 years old.
I was already a Texas fan long before I ever applied or went to Texas. And I was supposed to be asleep.
I was a young kid. I had like a 10:30 bedtime.

It's late in Texas when that game's finishing up.

And I'm supposed to be asleep, but I have a TV in my room that I won from my orthodontist in a competition for take the coolest photo brushing your teeth in like the coolest place. And I

took mine brushing my teeth behind the boat on a pair of water skis. So that one was.
We're at the Lake House.

Jay,

get the jet. Jet skis, we must go and win tickets to the big game.

So I want a television, so I'm up past my bedtime watching the game,

watching Vince Young run that into the corner of the end zone, jumping and screaming in my room. My dad comes upstairs.
I thought he was going to be like, you're supposed to be asleep.

What are you doing? And he's like, hey, how about the Longhorns? He's like, excited with me. Anyway,

it was, yeah, as you said during the break, Dan, the greatest college game I've ever watched.

It was an incredible game, but nothing could be more incredible than if you can get us that photo of you brushing your teeth on jet skis.

On water skis, but yes.

We definitely have to do that. And also, like, having

water skied, like that means you as a youth were water skiing with one hand on the

handle behind the motorboat. That's impressive.
That's, you know, that is uppercrust leisure activities on the lake, Mark. Like, he's been doing that since he's probably been five years old.
That's

Well, yeah, you might be right. I mean, I find it impressive because I was less uppercrust than Justin.

That's like getting up and having a cup of tea in the morning for Justin.

Take out the boat. Time for some water skiing.
I didn't realize it was 12:16. I just texted my mom asking for the picture, but she's asleep.
Party Elise, she's up, please. We'll get this on Wednesday.

Okay.

All right,

let's do some power rankings.

He's doing splendid work on the jet ski.

Farbuck, Farbuck. With great power comes great responsibility.
Big up powers, yeah. Then when you get the money, you get the power.
Category orange incident. Power behind the power.

Wow, you're playing with power. According to Dan Hansis power ranking.

Thank you, Paul Rudd.

You know, some people were speculating, Mark, that the reason you missed the Thursday preview show is because there was a possibility that Ken Farbuck could be calling in about some of your questionable, we'll put it that way, week 14 rankings.

Anything to that? I don't know who some people are.

Some people seem to be questioning all sorts of things, so that's fine. But like

it was a life scenario.

I am not scared of Farbuck at all. I think my demeanor with him in our previous encounter would suggest that I will go as aggressive as needed.
And I don't, why did he not call if I did anything ill?

So you're not ducking Farbuck?

No. I'm Farbuck.

I stand by my power rankings on a weekly basis. Okay, that's good to hear.
That's important. All right, let's get to it.
Tier one of the HTC power rankings, the only power rankings that matter.

And look at that right off the bat, a double connect for. Look at a little synergy here.
The LA Rams,

after they get right

with a blowout win over the Cardinals, the Seahawks

absolutely trash the Falcons in the second half of their matchup. They hold on to the number two spot.
The number three spot, that goes to the Green Bay Packers, up one spot after they

have a very strong performance and a victory over who, Mark? Remind me

the Green Bay Packers.

You know what? Like, this is not how these things work.

Who are these Packers you speak of?

I've suggested in the past, do not throw to me the Packers. They beat the Bears.
Yeah, they beat the Bears. The Bears.
28-21.

It was a

show of strength. The Bills, they have a show of strength in taking down the Bengals ending their season.
And Josh Allen has one of his great games. They move up one spot.
Oh, look at that. Oh, baby.

The New England Patriots on a bye. They get dinged down two spots.
Oh, you buried them.

I have them where they belong, the bottom of tier one. And let's see what happens this week

against the Bills. How about that? Hey, you dropped them two spots.
You had them at number one for Christ's sake last week. Well,

we've got a three, five, and three, and you have them at eight.

I think that's, I understand that when you have an outlier, it's courageous and it's daring and it's innovative, but like, it's just simply an outlier is what it is. So

now you're getting it.

Yes. Again, this is the type of thing that a power ranker who's not afraid of a bucking conventional wisdom says, let's see what happens when the Bills play the Patriots.

And

I could have egg on my face, in which case, I'm either one of two two things. I was wrong about the Patriots or I'm at Kevin Petulo's house.
All right, let's go to the Denver Broncos.

They come in at six.

They hold at six. Sessler deigns it

worthy to move them out of the number 10 spot. So you're cleaning things up subtly this week.
I see what you're doing, Mark.

They belong there.

I was impressed by their game. I mentioned that during our recap show.
Yes. We have the Niners up one spot on their bye to number seven.
And they're the Lions. There they are.

Back into tier one after their offense wakes up in a big spot and they put a spanking on the Cowboys on Thursday night football. I like this.
This is a nice, solid top eight. Let's move to tier two.

Who just missed the tier, the top tier? That would be the Chicago Bears. And that makes sense too.
They drop two spots after they can't close out

that game against the Packers. And, And, man, and just, again, a reminder, Ceci,

Caleb Williams just makes a better decision or a better throw.

And everything's different. They're in the top five of the power rankings.
They're in the Catbird seat in the NFC North. And instead, here they are, but still a nice place to be in mid-December.

The Jaguars finally getting respect from HTC. They move into the top 10 at number 10, and we're all in lockstep on that.
And here come the Houston Texans. I disagree with the group here.

I obviously am a little bit on an island here. I think the Texans are one of the very best teams in football right now.
I had them at number seven in my personal rankings and tier one,

but Sese has them all the way down at 13, which is crazy to me.

Connor and Justin have them at 11. They're up four spots to number 11 in the power rankings.
13, huh, Mark?

I don't see much difference between 13 and the 11s.

It's a team I'm still figuring out and trying to figure out. Seven, I think that there's probably a world where they live between seven and 13.
Seven is a little rich.

What does that mean? There's a world where they live between seven and 13. Seven is seven.
Like, no one agrees with you on seven. Look at the rest of the world.

I'm not looking for anybody to agree with me. I think maybe that's the big difference, Mark.
I'm not looking for anybody to agree with me.

Yeah, but you're singling us out when it's you who should be singled out for putting them at seven.

I'm just watching their games every week and seeing not only are they on a five-game winning streak, they are absolutely punishing their opponents week after week.

I mean, they absorbed four hours of my time last night. I also watched their games.

Did you penalize them for the game taking too long? Is that what you're saying? No, it's just that I

there are other teams to talk about here that are above them. Yeah, okay.
We'll see what happens.

The Chargers move up one spot after their Monday night win over the Eagles. And speaking of the Eagles, perfect, perfect Twilight Zone team.
Sassy, Sassy didn't come with us.

But the rest of us all put the Eagles at 13

because who knows what to make sense of the Eagles.

And by the way, when they beat up all these tomato cans down the stretch, I don't think we should go crazy about moving them up the board. I think they should.
hang out in this territory and

we'll see what happens. But it's probably not how it works with our rankings.
The number 14 Cowboys,

they dropped two spots after failing their test against the Lions, but still, they won two or three games in that tough stretch for them.

So bully to Dallas overall.

Look at the Chiefs down, Mark, four spots to 15. Can you believe it? Can you believe it, Mark? I can now.
The Chiefs.

If I would have told you in August that the Chiefs would have a healthy Patrick Mahomes all season, and their defense would be even better than the defense last year.

And yet they would be under 500 and in the middle of our power rankings on December 8th. It's pretty crazy.

Yeah, it's like when you were in ninth grade and you keep getting a math quiz, like a surprise math quiz, and you keep getting like a 61 or a 51 on it, you start to fall in terms of the status of the class.

That's the Chiefs to me. They keep failing quizzes and tests.
Well put.

Are the Steelers the new Cowboys in the the HTC power rankings? The team that just yo-yo's week by week

between 16 and 21? Well, they are up six spots. Is that the biggest jump of the week, Justin?

That is

tied for, yes.

I guess I'm a little surprised that they would jump up that high because we've all kind of agreed that the Ravens aren't necessarily

good,

but this also could be a product now of the teams around them in

the soft middle section of the NFL. Let's go to tier three.

Let's see who they're ahead of. That will probably explain a lot of this.
All right, so the Panthers stay at 17 on by.

The

Bucs. How did the Bucs not drop? And what am I missing here? The Bucs just got beat by the Saints.
You and I dropped them, but not everybody dropped them, so they didn't drop.

Wow. They're also, this is important, tied with the Baltimore Ravens in terms of the average ranking, and they were ahead of the Ravens last week.
Okay. So they stay ahead.

It really is that it is the teams below them, though, too.

The Bucs have dropped significantly in the last month.

I guess it's not a big difference, Mark, but I'm surprised you would have the Panthers behind the Bucs in your rankings after what we've seen from these two teams in the past three weeks.

Like, if this is like a snapshot of where we are right now, it feels like to me that the Panthers are clearly a better team than the Bucs in this moment, but you don't have to. Well, it's 17 and 18.

You're right in the sense that some would say that's ridiculous, but I still think the Bucs just aren't winning games, but I think they're the better team of those two.

The Panthers aren't lighting me up emotionally. Okay.

Okay.

The Ravens at 19 makes sense.

The Dolphins at 20 up one spot. I guess we're kind of still holding on them a little bit.
That makes sense.

The Bengals down one spot after that loss to the Bills. The Colts down six spots after losing another game and their quarterback.
That sounds about right.

Let's see if Phillip Rivers can get them back in the right direction. I hope that happens.
The Vikings up two spots. Shout out to, you know what?

Like, I didn't, I meant to hit this a little bit harder on the Sunday show. I was happy for J.J.

McCarthy because, as much as I was frustrated by the discourse initially around McCarthy that people were not were kind of getting too caught up by a couple of quarters that he had played rather than this guy's not really doing it, there was a bit of a piling on of McCarthy in recent weeks in terms of

like the memes and some of the criticism of him.

I can imagine it would be very hard for a 23-year-old kid. Who has a two-month-old child and he's a father for the first time and trying to figure out how to do his job.
Yeah, that's a lot.

That's a lot. So while I'm not impressed by McCarthy, the player, I'm sure it's been a very tough ride for him to shut out the noise around him.
And that was a nice win.

So up two spots, McCarthy and the Vikings. The

Saints, they make a six spot jump with Tyler Shuck balling out and knocking off the Bucs. So they sneak into tier three.
I can guarantee you they have not been Justin in tier three this season yet.

Actually,

I had to go.

The way I have this all templated out, like I have all a bunch of teams, layers that turn on and off. I had never in the history of Heed the Call Power Rankings had the Saints higher than tier four.

I had to copy the logo from my tier four board into tier three.

It's been a rough run for the Saints for a few years now.

Let's go to tier four, the tier you don't want to be in.

And there's the Falcons.

They went up a spot?

Okay. I mean, I watched that game.
I don't see how a team could move up after giving up like 35 points in the last season. Well, you have them ranked the highest.

Yeah, I guess this would be one of those situations where behind them must be the dregs of the world.

And I guess that's true because the only team that I saw that was more pathetic than the Falcons on Sunday were the Cardinals and the Jets

and the Commanders.

And the Giants were on by.

And the Titans, they won, but they beat the Browns who are there at 31, and then the Raiders. So that's why I have the Falcons at 24.

All the teams beneath them are pitiful dog shit.

Which one? Where do we have Connect 4? Raiders.

It says the Graver has them at 30. Oh,

you have two 31s according to the stock. Oops.
New map. Raiders, 32.
We're all 32. 32 across the board on the river.
Look where Connor has the Titans. What?

26. I mean, that's not that crazy.
I mean, this is really.

This bottom eight of the NFL is really bad.

It is. I don't hate that Connor did that.

You could just see things through a different POV. They could play terribly.

They won.

Did any of the other teams in this tier win this week? Let's start there.

Ah, no.

So there you go. I mean,

that's going to move you up in this little shit pit. You know what I mean? True.

Shit pit.

All right.

Ah, the Monday night show. By the way, you know who else, Mark, is on the

depth chart for the Indianapolis Colts?

Your old friend.

Colt McCoy. Brett Rippian.
Oh, Brett Ripian.

I mean,

why are we overlooking

Brett Ripian

to go sign Philip Rivers?

That's what I'm saying. If you're Brett Ripian.
Rippian. Definitely the right way to say it.
Rippian.

No,

I prefer the Sessler usage of the name. I know it's Brett Ripon.

If you're Brett Rippian and you're trying to make it in our league, and they're like, we're calling up a grandfather who hasn't played in four years and whose arm is a literal noodle at this point.

It's a little bit of a wake-up call to Brett Ripian that it might be or this might be it.

Yeah, if you're listening to this, you could also walk around your household and look at every single person in your household, and Brett Ripian is making more than every one of them combined to do nothing.

I always look at that. It's just like a little bit like some of these people that were, you know, tears falling down my cheek for Brett Rippey and it's like the guy is like.

I mean, I'm not talking about his bank account. I'm talking about his football mortality.
Well, he comes from, he's got NFL lineage. I believe it's his uncle, not his dad.

I knew you're from that tony leafy town in Connecticut, Mark, but it's not all about the bottom line sometimes. It's not about the almighty dollar.
I am not from a tony leafy town

that was 35 minutes from where you lived.

Give me a break. It was like a wall.
It was like that wall in London when we went on the Jack the Ripper tour.

It's like, oh, and on this wall, if you're on this side of the wall, you're in West London and it's posh. But if you're on the east side of the wall, watch out for the Jack the Ripper.

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