History's Youngest Heroes: Audrey Hepburn’s Teenage Resistance

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Before she became a Hollywood star, how did the young Audrey Hepburn take on the Nazis in the Netherlands?

Nicola Coughlan shines a light on extraordinary young people from across history. Join her for 12 stories of rebellion, risk and the radical power of youth.

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Written by Alex von Tunzelmann
Commissioning editor for Radio 4: Rhian Roberts

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Speaker 5 Hello, I'm Greg Jenner, host of You're Dead to Me, the comedy podcast from the BBC that takes history seriously.

Speaker 6 Each week, I'm joined by a comedian and an expert historian to learn and laugh about the past.

Speaker 9 In our all-new season, we cover unique areas of history that your school lessons may have missed-from getting ready in the Renaissance era to the Kellogg brothers.

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Speaker 13 In a village in the Netherlands, it was Adriansha von Haemstra's 13th birthday, the 4th of May, 1942. Her family were celebrating when the telephone rang.
Her mother picked it up.

Speaker 13 Adriansha knew something was wrong. The party stopped.

Speaker 13 Everything seemed to slow down.

Speaker 13 Ariancha's aunt Misia was on the line. In a panic, Misia explained there'd been a knock on her door that morning.

Speaker 13 Her husband Otto answered and was confronted by two members of the Dutch security police.

Speaker 13 They had a warrant for his arrest.

Speaker 13 They gave Otto 20 minutes to pack a bag. Otto gathered some belongings, reassuring Misia that everything would be all right.

Speaker 13 Then the police bundled him into a car and drove away.

Speaker 13 Nazi Germany had invaded and occupied the Netherlands two years earlier, in May 1940.

Speaker 13 At first, the occupiers took a relatively soft-touch approach. It was called the Velvet Glove.
Even so, they had begun to meet resistance from the Dutch population.

Speaker 12 And to counter that, the Nazis rounded up 1,000 of the leading male figures in Holland. They were mayors, they were lawyers, they were professors.

Speaker 12 They rounded them all up and put them in a prison in southern Holland. One of them was Uncle Otto, who was this district attorney and pretty vocally anti-Nazi.

Speaker 13 Adriancha's mother hung up the phone. Adriancha adored her uncle, and the news was devastating.

Speaker 13 The events of that day would stay with her for the rest of her life, and it would be a truly extraordinary life.

Speaker 13 The girl then known as Adriancha von Heemstra would become a Hollywood superstar, Audrey Hepburn.

Speaker 13 First, though, she would undergo a different transformation from a shy schoolgirl to a supporter of the Dutch Resistance, doing everything she could to undermine the Nazis.

Speaker 13 For BBC Radio 4, I'm Nicola Cochlin, and this is History's Youngest Heroes: Rebellion, Risk and the Radical Power of Youth.

Speaker 13 Audrey Hepburn's Teenage Resistance

Speaker 13 Luca Dotti is a graphic designer based in Rome. He's also the younger son of Audrey Hepburn.

Speaker 15 One of the most frequent questions I get is that

Speaker 15 how much we talked about Hollywood with my mother. And they're very surprised that instead of talking about Hollywood,

Speaker 15 she spoke a great deal more about the war.

Speaker 13 Audrey was born in Brussels in 1929.

Speaker 13 She lived with her parents, Dutch Baroness Ella van Hemstra and British-Austrian businessman, businessman, Joseph Hepburn Rustin, along with two stepbrothers from her mother's first marriage.

Speaker 15 Even as a little girl, you know, she was extrovert, laughing, playing, acting. My grandfather called her monkey puzzle.

Speaker 12 She had these two sort of wild, crazy young people parents.

Speaker 13 Robert Mattson has written about Audrey's second world war experiences in his book, Dutch Girl.

Speaker 12 They started to just dump Audrey here and there and go off on these adventures.

Speaker 13 These adventures involved trips to Britain, where Ella and Joseph made friends in far-right politics.

Speaker 13 In London, they were drawn to Oswald Mosley, leader of the violently anti-Semitic British Union of Fascists.

Speaker 13 Ella wrote an article for the BUF's magazine and what she saw as the glories of Nazi Germany.

Speaker 12 Hitler was to Audrey's parents a rock star.

Speaker 12 and they went and met with Hitler in Munich in 1935.

Speaker 13 But their passion for fascism wasn't enough to keep Ella and Joseph's marriage together. When Audrey was six years old, Joseph walked out.

Speaker 13 He would later be arrested as an associate of foreign fascists and spent the war in British prisons.

Speaker 15 That was the worst trauma my mother experienced, losing her father in such a brutal way and that as well, I believe, is something that she carried through

Speaker 15 her life and her career.

Speaker 13 Audrey watched her own mother weep inconsolably after her father left. She claimed the shock of the separation turned her mother's hair grey overnight.

Speaker 13 Audrey was packed off to a British boarding school. On the 1st of September, 1939, Nazi Germany invaded Poland.
Two days later, Britain declared war on Germany.

Speaker 12 Audrey's mother decided that England in general and Kent in particular was no place for Audrey because of the looming threat suddenly that the Germans would storm across France and launch an invasion of England.

Speaker 13 Audrey's mother moved to her family estate in Arnhem in the Netherlands. It was close to the German border.

Speaker 13 Yet Ella still believed that Hitler was a gentleman, and therefore the Germans would never invade her country. Ten-year-old Audrey was summoned back to her mother's side.

Speaker 16 Moving to Holland was not moving home. She couldn't speak Dutch.
She had to go to a Dutch school without understanding a single word with children who made fun of her.

Speaker 13 Every day on the way home from school, Audrey cried. She was desperate to find something to brighten her days.
When she had been in Britain, she had discovered discovered a love of dance.

Speaker 13 She persuaded her mother to enroll her in a dance school in Arnhem.

Speaker 15 Through dance, she could dream, she could fly, she could forget. It was the way that she escaped reality.

Speaker 13 On the 9th of May 1940, the Saddlers Wells Touring Ballet Company stopped in Arnhem.

Speaker 13 Audrey watched the legendary ballet dancers Robert Heltman and Margot Fontaine perform on stage and was entranced.

Speaker 13 Afterwards, she was allowed to present them with bouquets of flowers.

Speaker 13 That night, as she fell into bed, she felt happy for the first time since moving back to the Netherlands.

Speaker 13 That is, until her mother woke her up at four o'clock the next morning saying, wake up, the war is on.

Speaker 12 The Germans crossed the Dutch border and rolled straight into Arnhem.

Speaker 12 Not only were their planes flying directly over Arnhem taking German paratroopers west, but the Arnhem Road bridge was blown up by the Dutch army to try to stop the German progress.

Speaker 13 The bridge at Arnhem was a key crossing point on the River Rhine.

Speaker 13 Audrey's house was just a quarter of a mile away.

Speaker 13 In an interview with NBC decades later, she recalled the site of the German invasion.

Speaker 17 I was behind the curtains and I saw these German tanks come in for hours, marching, driving.

Speaker 17 And Holland Holland fell after five days because it's a small country with a small army and they fought very bravely but there was no way of holding back the German army and all of that is history now.

Speaker 13 At first, for privileged families like the hamstrs, life under Napti occupation was not disrupted very much. It was spring, the flowers were out, shops were open, people cycled round as usual.

Speaker 13 Yet gradually, the road signs were changed to German. Red flags with swastikas appeared.
Police in green uniforms arrived in greater and greater numbers.

Speaker 13 The British-sounding name Audrey Hepburn Rustin stood out. So Audrey, already known as Adriancha in her family, began to use her mother's Dutch surname, Von Hemstra.

Speaker 13 Her mother changed her own English-sounding first name, Ella, to Eda.

Speaker 13 Soon.

Speaker 13 Things began to change at school too.

Speaker 15 Propaganda was extreme. Even the mathematics were taught in a Nazi perspective.

Speaker 13 When Germany invaded the Soviet Union, the so-called velvet glove period of occupation came to an end.

Speaker 12 The Eastern Front was a furnace that you could not shovel resources into fast enough.

Speaker 12 The Germans needed food for the troops, they needed clothing for the troops, and it was all taken from the Dutch and the other occupied countries.

Speaker 13 With the Nazis requisitioning food, Dutch people soon began to go hungry. The German occupiers even started to dig and transport fertile soil away from the Netherlands.

Speaker 13 Anger against the occupation grew, and the Dutch resistance burgeoned. In a striking act against Nazi occupation, one resistance group tried to blow up a German train in Rotterdam.

Speaker 13 Audrey's uncle, Otto van Limberg-Sterum, was arrested. Count von Limberg-Sterum had taken a principal stand against the Nazis, but had not been involved in the attempted bombing of the train.

Speaker 13 Nevertheless, he was a prominent citizen. The Nazis felt they must make an example of him.

Speaker 12 The Nazis took Otto and four others, put them in a truck, drove them to the wilds of southern Holland, deep into the forest, and shot them by firing squad, dumped the bodies in unmarked graves and drove away.

Speaker 13 The Nazis intended this brutal act to send a message to the Dutch. Fall in line.

Speaker 13 But it had the opposite effect on the Netherlands and on Audrey herself.

Speaker 13 With her own father out of the picture, her uncle Otto had become a second father to her.

Speaker 12 It became a national incident, you know, an inciting point for the Dutch people.

Speaker 13 Appalled by these killings, more and more people joined the Dutch resistance. Faced with acts of sabotage, the Nazis cracked down on anyone they could connect to the resistance.

Speaker 13 Audrey's mother moved the family away from Arnhem to the nearby village of Velp.

Speaker 13 Yet the situation was about to get much, much worse.

Speaker 17 I'd go to the station with my mother to take a train to the next city, and I'd see cattle trucks filled with Jews. I remember so well a little boy, little blonde.

Speaker 17 When my mother to explain all this to me, we did then not yet know that they were going to their death. We'd been told they were going to be taken to special camps.

Speaker 13 As Audrey turned 15, the Nazis were turning Velp into a stronghold. They moved their national headquarters there and took over every institution.

Speaker 12 She was ordered to join the Nazi Culture Kommer, the Nazi Union of Artists. She had to either do that or give up performing publicly.

Speaker 13 Audrey preferred to give up performing publicly. To keep her spirits up, she taught dance to children.

Speaker 13 It wasn't easy. Like everyone else, she was weak from lack of food.
She and the children danced in cold, empty classrooms. In the spring of 1944, Audrey volunteered at the local hospital.

Speaker 13 She met a senior doctor who happened to be the father of one of her dance students, Henrik Wisser de Hoft.

Speaker 13 He was looking for an assistant.

Speaker 12 You know, he just needed somebody to do odd jobs for him and be his nurse's aide sort of thing.

Speaker 13 Audrey started to work with him. She had no idea that Wisser de Hoft, like so many of the doctors in Velp, was part of the Resistance.

Speaker 12 All these doctors were leading these double lives, working for the Resistance by night and handling patients by day.

Speaker 13 The Resistance found shelter for stranded Allied airmen. They forged identity documents.
They carried out acts of sabotage.

Speaker 13 Visser de Hoft was one of their leading figures. He saw potential in Audrey as his new assistant.
But before he could reveal his resistance plans to her, there was a problem to address.

Speaker 13 Her mother, Ella von Heemstra.

Speaker 12 Audrey's mother had been labeled by the Dutch resistance as a Nazi and a collaborator.

Speaker 13 Though she publicly distanced herself from her early Nazi sympathies, Ella von Heimstra's past admiration for Hitler still made her notorious.

Speaker 12 The murder of her brother-in-law, Uncle Otto, opened Ella's eyes, in a sense, to what was really going on. And then it became a matter of loyalty to the family.

Speaker 13 Despite her mother's past politics, Wisser de Hoft wanted Audrey's help.

Speaker 12 And for him, this was a calculated risk. This was a girl that he decided he could trust.

Speaker 13 Wisser de Hooft needed to support thousands of people hiding from the Nazis all across Holland.

Speaker 12 There were like 600 Onderdijkers in Velp. These are the hidden ones.

Speaker 12 They were Jews who were in hiding, or or they were like Audrey's older half-brother, Alex, had been in the Dutch army, and he was in hiding throughout the war, so he didn't have to serve in the German army.

Speaker 13 Feeding these people was expensive. Visser de Hoft was looking for ways to raise money.

Speaker 13 On the 23rd of April, 1944, Audrey made her way to a suburban house, occupied by resistance guards.

Speaker 15 There was the risk of being caught and being shot in that moment.

Speaker 13 Inside the house, Audrey entered a blacked-out room.

Speaker 15 They would close all the blinds, put paper on the windows, make absolute silence, close the lights, just a candle as the only source of light.

Speaker 13 Audrey changed into a costume her mother had made.

Speaker 13 Her friend took a seat at the piano.

Speaker 13 Audrey walked into the center of the room.

Speaker 12 There would be a piano playing softly, and she would do her dance routines.

Speaker 15 And the public would watch my mother to raise money for the resistance.

Speaker 13 Audrey performed a short ballet.

Speaker 15 She said, the most beautiful audience I ever got was totally silenced.

Speaker 13 At the end of the show, money was collected for the resistance. As the months went by, these performances became more frequent.
In the evenings, Audrey tuned a forbidden radio to the BBC.

Speaker 13 She listened to the news, wondering how soon the war would end.

Speaker 3 Hello, I'm Greg Jenner, host of Your Dead to Me, the comedy podcast from the BBC that takes history seriously.

Speaker 6 Each week, I'm joined by a comedian and an expert historian to learn and laugh about the past.

Speaker 9 In our all-new season, we cover unique areas of history that your school lessons may have missed, from getting ready in the Renaissance era to the Kellogg Brothers.

Speaker 10 Listen to Your Dead to Me now, wherever you get your podcasts.

Speaker 11 Suffs, the new musical has made Tony award-winning history on Broadway. We demand to be hurt.
Winner, best score. We demand to be seen.
Winner, best book. We demand to be quality.

Speaker 11 It's a theatrical masterpiece that's thrilling, inspiring, dazzlingly entertaining, and unquestionably the most emotionally stirring musical this season.

Speaker 11 Suffs, playing the Orpheum Theater, October 22nd through November 9th. Tickets at BroadwaySF.com

Speaker 13 On the morning of the 17th of September 1944, Audrey was at church. Over the sound of hymns, she heard the whirr of engines.

Speaker 12 They hear planes overhead. Paratroopers start to come out of the planes.

Speaker 13 Audrey ran outside and looked up. Thousands of Allied troops were floating down on parachutes.
This

Speaker 13 was Operation Market Garden.

Speaker 12 It was Field Marshal Montgomery's idea that we could end the war with a master stroke, which was to drop a curtain of Allied paratroopers all along the Netherlands, this corridor through the Netherlands, drive a British armored column up to Arnhem.

Speaker 12 and seize the Arnhem Road Bridge.

Speaker 13 The British had realized there were few German troops defending the strategically vital route. A parachute dropped behind enemy lines could begin to liberate the Netherlands.

Speaker 12 When British first airborne hit the ground, the Dutch poured out onto the streets. They took their Dutch flags from hiding.

Speaker 12 They screamed and yelled and embraced the liberators, and for a little while it looked like this absolutely was the liberation of Holland.

Speaker 13 Unfortunately for the Allies, two heavily armored Nazi divisions were regrouping in the area. For Audrey and her family, the war was now literally on their doorstep.

Speaker 12 She was suddenly in the middle of the German staging area for the response to British First Airborne.

Speaker 12 There were tanks rolling through, there were tanks parked in front of their house, there were Germans everywhere. And soon there were captured British paratroopers coming past Audrey's house.

Speaker 12 Audrey is suddenly bandaging wounded civilians as Arnhem burns in in the night.

Speaker 13 The battle went on for nine days.

Speaker 13 Audrey and her family hid in the cellar as the fighting raged outside.

Speaker 13 When they emerged, the town had been ravaged. Worse, though, the Nazis had won.
The Netherlands were still occupied.

Speaker 13 Walking through what remained of the town, Audrey passed a building where the Nazis were beginning to carry out reprisals.

Speaker 16 She heard the terrible sounds of pain and shouts and screams.

Speaker 16 Then she realized that it was a place where the Germans tortured and killed the Dutch, the resistance, or anybody they deemed as an opposer.

Speaker 13 Devastated by what she heard, Audrey vowed to do more for the resistance.

Speaker 16 She believed very much that there is a struggle between good and evil, and you have to take sides.

Speaker 13 In the autumn of 1944, the skies over the Netherlands were filled again with Allied aircraft. British and American bombers flew east over the Netherlands to attack Germany.

Speaker 13 Their route took them over Audrey's family home.

Speaker 12 There was an airbase located right near Velp and the fighters would scramble from there, knock down Allied planes, and these flyers would come floating to Earth that needed help.

Speaker 13 Visserte Hoft sent Audrey to the woods near Velp with a message for one of the downed airmen. Unlike most Dutch teenagers at the time, Audrey spoke perfect English.

Speaker 13 She found an airman and retrieved the message from her sock.

Speaker 13 It showed a meeting place and gave code words.

Speaker 12 She had gone into the woods, delivered a message to a flyer, came out of the woods and was stopped by the green police, the Dutch Nazi police.

Speaker 13 Audrey saw the police approaching from a distance. She didn't run.

Speaker 13 Instead, thinking quickly, she bent down and started to pick wildflowers.

Speaker 15 As the Nazis approached, she smiled and said, Well, I was picking flowers for you, you know.

Speaker 12 She handed them to

Speaker 12 the soldier and charmed him and got out of it.

Speaker 13 After this incident, Audrey began to carry messages for the resistance regularly. She folded pamphlets and newspapers into her socks and shoes.
On her bike, she delivered them around town.

Speaker 12 The Germans didn't take children seriously. Just get out of my way, kid.
You know, that kind of thing.

Speaker 12 The Dutch were practical enough to see that the children, because they weren't suspected of anything, could be the ones who did these vital things for the resistance.

Speaker 13 Throughout 1944, Audrey continued to deliver messages. But life became harder.
The food shortages took a toll on her health.

Speaker 15 All around you, people are dying,

Speaker 15 people are being taken for prisoner, kidnapped,

Speaker 15 people disappear, people are starving.

Speaker 13 Audrey's mother sent her into town to try and find any food she could.

Speaker 15 As she walked between shops, she's taken in by German troops and shoved into a truck. There are just two possibilities.
Either it's a labor camp, either it's it's a pleasure camp.

Speaker 15 I still have this terror,

Speaker 15 you know, for my mother,

Speaker 15 for my daughter, not for, but I see my daughter in my mother, that, you know, when I send her to a shop to get some eggs, you know,

Speaker 15 and then, you know, imagine there's a German track that takes her on, and that could be it. You know, this is the

Speaker 15 tragedy, if you want, part of the heroism

Speaker 15 of

Speaker 15 living through war.

Speaker 15 But because of shock, loses completely track of time and space.

Speaker 15 And I don't know if it's 48 hours, maybe it's even more. But she doesn't realize that she's hiding

Speaker 15 under a building and she comes back home and her mother obviously was absolutely sure that she was either deported or dead.

Speaker 15 And my mother didn't remember a thing.

Speaker 13 Throughout the winter of 1944, the snow fell.

Speaker 13 Survival was its own form of resistance.

Speaker 13 By February 1945, it was reported that 500 Dutch people were starving to death every week.

Speaker 13 Like so many others, Audrey's family were painfully short of food.

Speaker 12 October to March, five months of no food, no heat, because there were no coal supplies. The people of Velp were

Speaker 12 tearing apart picket fences to burn them for heat.

Speaker 13 Audrey scoured the countryside for anything they could eat.

Speaker 12 Going into the fields to dig up tulip bulbs that they could grind into a powder and tried to bake it and eat it.

Speaker 13 By that spring, Audrey was badly malnourished. She was suffering from anemia, jaundice, and edema.

Speaker 13 Outside her family home, the war intensified.

Speaker 12 Hand-to-hand, street-to-street, tank and infantry battle.

Speaker 13 With ferocious fighting right outside their front door, Audrey and her family hid hid in the cellar with the lights off.

Speaker 13 Three weeks later, on the 16th of April 1945, it finally grew quiet.

Speaker 16 Everybody was petrified because they were not used to this silence.

Speaker 13 Audrey smelt tobacco. It had been impossible to get cigarettes for much of the war.
The locals had to make their own with oak and beech leaves. This smell.
was quite different.

Speaker 13 Like a message from another time.

Speaker 13 She climbed the stairs from the cellar.

Speaker 12 Opening the door onto the garden of their house and looking down the muzzles of five machine guns.

Speaker 12 Because she was surrounded by Canadian soldiers who had just liberated Velp.

Speaker 13 The Canadian soldiers facing her were smoking real cigarettes.

Speaker 13 They also had their guns pointed right at her, ready to shoot.

Speaker 13 Immediately, Audrey started speaking in English. She remembered that the Canadian soldiers let out a great yell, and one shouted, Not only have we liberated a town, we've liberated an English girl.

Speaker 13 The war was over at last.

Speaker 13 For Audrey, though, the traumatic memory stayed with her, and she couldn't get over the tremendous shame of her mother's Nazi sympathies.

Speaker 15 So there was a strong bond.

Speaker 15 But at the same time,

Speaker 15 there was this great

Speaker 15 razor blade between them.

Speaker 15 There was a point where she said to me that she never

Speaker 15 forgave

Speaker 15 her mother for being a fascist.

Speaker 12 Audrey's instincts were honed to a very fine point by the war and everything that she went through.

Speaker 12 And she had so much experience to draw upon that she could put herself into these various characters.

Speaker 13 Audrey won a scholarship to Ballet Romber in London. She reverted to her British name, Audrey Rustin Hepburn, soon simplifying that to Audrey Hepburn.

Speaker 13 For all her talent though, it became clear she would never have the stamina to become a prima ballerina.

Speaker 13 She had suffered from malnutrition too badly during the war and her constitution had been permanently damaged.

Speaker 13 Instead, she began to focus on acting, with small roles in West End theater and films such as The Lavender Hill mob.

Speaker 13 In 1953, Audrey had her first Hollywood starring role in Roman Holiday opposite Gregory Peck.

Speaker 13 The film was a massive critical and commercial hit. Audrey Hepburn won the Academy Award for Best Actress.
It set off a superstar career that saw her become an icon.

Speaker 13 By the 1980s, Audrey was taking on very few screen roles. Interviewers always wanted to ask her about her life in the movies.
Audrey didn't care for that.

Speaker 13 Instead, she wanted to talk about the Second World War and her later work for UNICEF.

Speaker 13 These days, Luca Datti looks back on his mother's quiet contribution to wartime resistance with pride.

Speaker 15 Of course, we

Speaker 15 always

Speaker 15 have this

Speaker 15 romantic, cinematic

Speaker 15 idea about the war, you know, of these great actions and

Speaker 15 great people taking great risks, superhuman risk. But the resistance and the erog part is

Speaker 15 it's like a way of never giving up

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Speaker 3 Hello, I'm Greg Jenner, host of You're Dead to Me, the comedy podcast from the BBC that takes history seriously.

Speaker 6 Each week, I'm joined by a comedian and an expert historian to learn and laugh about the past.

Speaker 9 In our all-new season, we cover unique areas of history that your school lessons may have missed: from getting ready in the Renaissance era to the Kellogg brothers.

Speaker 10 Listen to You're Dead to Me Now, wherever you get your podcasts.