Disconnect to Reconnect: Lessons from Marlow Campbell

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another exciting episode of Mick Unplugged, and we're doing something first and official for the first time ever. We're on site, Montego Bay.

I'm here with my best friend, Mr. Marlo Campbell.
We're about to get some raw exclusive stuff. Marlo Campbell.

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Let's get unplugged.

Welcome to us. Mick, I just want to say thank you for

having me on. And so, so proud of everything that you're doing and,

you know, just glad to be here in beautiful montego bay it's awesome man like we've been here for a few days together little couples retreat love the island you know you've been here obviously before this is my third time back to the same resort here at secrets so shout out to secrets but man like you're the first person that i looked up to when it came to just disconnect

right like you have so much going on right with with soccer we're going to get into that with the thief with your kids you're a family man

And you always tell me, Make, I got to have a little bit of time to just disconnect in the road, man. Like, when did that become a thing for you?

And why is that important for people to just be able to disconnect everyone else?

Well, I think that disconnecting is a way for you to reflect and

truly analyze what's going on in order to make improvement. in your world, in your life,

but personally, professionally, with your family, with your friends,

taking time to really appreciate also all the wonderful things that go on, even when things are bad.

You know, taking this time away is good just to spend time with friends and family and

just know, you know, just figure out what's going on, what the next moves are. Okay.
Yeah. And you're a CEO, right? Like you own multiple businesses.

And I think a lot of times As leaders and CEOs, we have this misconception that we've always got to be on, right? And that there's this no days off utility.

And I actually believe in no days off, but I also believe in taking the moments so that you can be there for the people that matter the most, whether it's your team, whether it's your family or whatever it is.

And so for the business leader, it's salvated. It never takes the time to recharge.
What's your message for that, Reed?

That's it. You always got to remember where you started from.
And the best way to do that is to take that step back. And when you reflect upon

you where you started where you are now where you're going okay if you if you can't slow down just a little bit

then that's when you get yourself in trouble okay you start losing in touch with reality um and as we said you know when you you have your great team at work and you have your your people that you you're with all the time but um helps you to understand reflect go back to

really just

figuring out who you are. You know, you know, when we,

it's interesting, we we had a great

dinner with a couple other couples in February, and we started talking about all the different things that we've done in our lifetime, you know, professionally, okay, just as from a from an income standpoint.

And every one of us had a story where we were here and then we did this and we did this and we did that. Okay.

But that's the story of life. I mean, you're building on your experiences.
Okay. And so taking time away is a way to not take notes, but just mentally take notes.
And just say, okay, oh,

this is where I've been. This is where I'm going.
This was a good experience. How can I duplicate that? This was a bad experience.
What have I learned from that?

So that we can make it an even better experience next time, you know? Yeah.

And for the person that's listening, maybe you're not a business owner, right?

Having a disconnect is still important. So, you know, like for me, I'll spend time on a Sunday morning.
I'll i'll spend a couple hours go sit over the back porch and just have some meat

right so you don't have to go on vacations to disconnect like that shouldn't be the only reason or the only way that you disconnect what are some ways that you disconnect when it's not a vacation or whatever

well i'm a professional napper man

i you know i can nap anytime and it's my it's it's my time you know three o'clock on a saturday sunday i'm gonna relax i mean i'm just gonna take that time to myself and and my family knows that hey this is this is when i gotta i gotta just gotta sit back and absorb okay and recharge um

but um similar to you just just find a little quiet place you know um

sometimes i i get accused of being quiet okay but i'm i'm still on but i'm just processing, you know, letting that

computer regenerate. You know what I mean? You got to get the reboot, ref the refresh and um

you know just whether that's sitting at home whether that's going and hitting some golf balls sometimes just just even just being with family yeah is a good way of doing it you know what i mean um so um there's so many ways to do it but um just just getting out of uh getting your mind away from the business side and just that we we keep using that word reflection but it's it's just really important that um you take time to do that.

Yeah, I tell people all the time that like on your computer, you got to clear cache and get it, right? Like, that's your computer resetting. You got to restart your phones.

I don't care if you're Apple, Android, or whatever. Like, every once in a while, it's not operating right.
So, you have to restart it.

Your phones and all these technology platforms send you updates that you always have to do. And I think for your mind and body, you have to do the same thing.

Like, you've got to be able to take that time and get that recharge and methane or that restart. Yeah.

Yeah. So, crypto important.
And I learned a lot about that. Like I, we met five years ago now.
Yeah.

And like we literally instantly became best friends, which is crazy because as you get to know Marlo Campbell, everyone is his best friend. Like, and I mean that in a very good way, right? Yeah.

You never met a stranger. Yeah, I love people.
You always have that thing of,

you know, it used to be what, six degrees of Kevin Bacon, right? Like, I call it now. You're two degrees for Marlo Campbell.
When did that become a thing for you?

Like, networking, introducing yourself, picking people up. When did that become a thing for you?

I guess it probably started as a youth with

my background and where I grew up in the mean streets of Crabtree, I guess you will, you know, in Raleigh.

But no, it's interesting for me

when

we moved, we were in one part of Raleigh, we moved to a whole nother part of Raleigh. We were one of,

we thought we were the only ones, but we were one of only two black families in an all-white neighbor. Okay.

And it's interesting as a six-year-old kid starting to build relationships with people that don't really know you back in the 70s. Okay.
That was different. Okay.

But then I got introduced to this wonderful worldwide game of soccer. Okay.

And so when I got introduced to soccer, I never would have done it unless we had moved. to this part of town.
And I played a lot of sports growing up. I was fortunate.
I was pretty athletic.

But I always, every time we had to make a choice of what sport I was going to continue to progress with, it kept going back to soccer. Well, the thing about soccer, soccer is a worldwide sport.

I mean, everybody, everybody plays it. Okay.

And so you're always building relationships with people that are different. I mean, the game is the same.
There's two goals. There's a ball.
Okay. You try to score.
But you build up the teamwork.

You build up the camaraderie. You build up the support system.
You build up adversity. you have some wins, you have some losses, you know, so

I think that's when it all started, okay? You go on to college and you play professionally and you do those things. Everything that I do now

is a byproduct of when I got started when I was younger, okay?

Never met a stranger. I don't judge.
You know, people are going to be people. People are going to be different.
Okay.

I always seek to understand where they're coming from. Okay.
Even if I disagree,

that's their position. I can't get upset with them for their position.
What I can do is understand it.

And maybe it either strengthens my position that I have, or I'm helping them to understand, hey, you know what? Have you looked at it this way? And helping them to understand as well.

So I think that's one reason why

I go out, people see me, I meet people, I have no problem just meeting people and just playing on with it.

It's

makes it special. Absolutely.
Absolutely. Yeah.
So let's go into soccer. For those that I know we've got your we've got your shirt censored and thank you.

And for those that are watching, we are in Jamaica. It might be five o'clock.
It might be 10 o'clock. It's five o'clock somewhere.
Cheers, my brother. Yes, sir.
So soccer.

You went to this little school. Oh.

For those, you know, you see a shirt is blurred because I'm allergic to that. But you went to NC State, man.
So, like,

one, why NC State?

Or no, let's go back a little bit further. Okay.
Marlo Campbell, the soccer star, high school. What was recruiting like? What was that? What were those moments?

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Back then, soccer was still kind of of growing. Okay.
But it was one of those things

whereas,

again, I was fortunate. I was with the

all the OD, what's this called Olympic Development Program? So I'm traveling all over the country representing North Carolina, Region 3,

U.S. national team camp, U-6 Kings, and Colorado Springs.
And again, just

again, meeting people from different areas, developing those relationships.

So then when you get into the recruiting process,

you know, for me, my father worked at NC State. I grew up always wanting to play for NC State, but I also entertained Duke and that other lighter blue school down the road from them as well.

I'm not allowed to say that. The University of National Champions, USC.
Okay, I'm not allowed to actually say those words, but you know, so,

and a few other schools here in North Carolina.

But I remember there was a game in high school, and I had

really great teammates at Athens Drive high school. But I remember a game where

two of my best friends, Roy and Eric Lassiter, had just been

gotten red cards in the game before. So I was solo.

quote-unquote solo. Obviously, I had some great teammates, but I wasn't playing with my boys, okay, that we that we always used to do our thing with the next game.

And I didn't know that that Coach Tarantini was in his stands. Okay.

And I went off. I went off.
I mean, I mean, I just, because it was out of support for my brothers, Roy and Eric.

It was support for my teammates that were just, to this day, just a great, great, great people. We ended up winning the state championship that year.
Okay, the first one for Athens Drive.

But I just remember that game. And I remember just going off.
And I was like, okay, and we won. I think we were playing against Broughton.
They were number one in the state. So we won the game.

And I get home that night and I get the phone call.

Hey, it's George Tarantini. Hey, Gordian C.
Stay. Speak to Marlon.
I was like, okay, this is he. And they said, I want you, I want you, I want to offer you full scholarship, Gordian C state.

And I was speechless. Wow.
And I said,

can I call you back?

There you go. There there you go i got the tar heels on the oh

i i hug i hung up the phone went upstairs told my mom and dad i said i just got a call from george tarantina and she stayed and they said uh what'd you tell him i said i got to call him back like man you better get down there

right

you know so it was it was it was just unique he was and it was special because coach We all call him Coach. He was originally from Argentina.

His brother was the best defender in the world for Argentina in in the 78 World Cup. You know, this is this powerful, intimidating figure that was on the phone with me.

And I'm a 17-year-old boy still, right? So,

but he has this way of just making you feel good. Okay, of course, because they're recruiting you, they love you.
Okay.

And then as soon as you get on campus, you're like, wait, oh, I thought you liked me, Coach. What's up? Okay.

So,

but he was like, yeah, I want you to be the first player from North Carolina that I offer a full scholarship to.

And I was like, okay, I'll take that. Let's go.
So I didn't know that, sir. So you were the first North Carolina homegrown athlete that he offered a scholarship.
Yep, full scholarship. Yep.

That's why. Yeah.
So. How does that make you feel to like say that out loud? No, man.
I mean,

it's always been special. And,

you know,

that's who coach is. You know, he was,

and I learned a lot. You talk about just looking after people.
Coach always wanted to look after the little guy. He always wanted to give people an opportunity.
Okay.

And even in today's times, I,

you know, whether it's through any of my businesses or just in coaching, I've loved coaching.

And people always ask, well, I don't coach very much anymore. They say, do you miss the coaching? Because they think the wins and losses.
Like, no, no, no, no.

I miss it so much, but I miss the relationship. That's what you build

with your players. You build with your team.

And I'm coaching youth. And so now these quote-unquote kids are now 40, 36, 30 years old, rocking it, just repeating the cycle.
And every time I run into them,

it's just such a special moment because I remember when you were seven. I remember when you were 17.
I remember when you were this. I remember when we lost that.
We were learning it.

I remember when you were going through this with your family. I mean, these are, that's the relationship that you build.

And then, so I learned a lot from Tarantini with respect to

no matter

how he yelled at you or got on you, he loved you. Okay, and he just wanted you to be better.
You know,

I think personally, I think he was always upset with me because I never came on my recruiting trip. Really? Yeah.
Really?

So, so I was set to come on the recruit.

I already did it. I already said I'm coming, coach.
He goes, all right, I want you to come into this recruiting trip. I said, all right, I'm going to come in.

And then I got a call from a girl who was a friend, not my girlfriend,

who says, Marlo, you'll never guess who I'm babysitting for.

She said, I said,

she goes, Prince's nephews. Like the artists.
Prince what?

The artist, yes. The artist.
For one year, Tyka Nelson lived in Raleigh's Milk, Carolina. Interesting.
And she lived in the same neighborhood as my friend.

And she largely, she goes, next time I babysit, I'll have you come over. So I went over to the house.
Sure enough, president and sir. Those were the two nectars.
Okay. All right.
Met the boys.

They were cool as can be.

And

then

about three weeks later, Steph called and said, hey.

Prince's Alphabet Street Love Sexy Tours coming to Greensboro. And Tyka says, I can bring a friend.
Do you want to come? And it happened to be the weekend of my recruiting show.

So here I am. I got to call Tarantini.
And I'm like, Coach,

I'm not coming. I'm not coming on my recruit.
I know you set me up for life, but yo, I'm going to diss you.

Thinking about a hindsight as a coach, I'm like, man, I don't know how I would have accepted that. But he probably hung up the phone, like, what's up with this guy?

So we were able to ride in a limo from Raleigh to Greensboro with Tyka Nelson inside the gate, the whole nine yards, Prince concert.

It was a wonderful experience.

Crazy. Yeah.
And for those that don't know,

we've done karaoke four nights here in Monte Go Bay, and Marlowe opens up every night with either When Dubs Cry or Purple Ring, just so you know.

So when he talks about Prince being his guy, he really does read that Prince is his guy. Yeah.

So so much that I want to unpack and unfug, man. So,

you know leadership is my thing my because

is my thing right like with the reason that we do with the use of you

and so I want to go to you Because I don't think I've ever really asked you this question. Oh boy.
What's your because

what's your purpose today not the 17 year old yeah so we're talking about the the over 40

Thank you for that. Just just slightly over 40.
You signed the display. We're good.
We're good. What's your because

today what's your purpose today?

i feel like there's so many

life is short

and we all have experiences

and

what i've learned from a lot of my mentors is

can you help the next one okay and i think that's sort of my that's my because

i think can i help the next one whether it's I have a friend of mine that's relocating and

I had to talk to him about, okay, well, do you want to stay in this, even stay in the same field that you're in right now? You know, it's like, you have these gifts.

You know, you don't have to keep doing what you're doing. You got options.
Okay. You're moving out of choice, not of being forced to move.
Okay. So if you want to get a refresh, you get a refresh.

And we've gone back and forth. And sure enough, he found something that is still related to his field, but not the same field.
And I felt great for him because he's excited. I mean,

now I see the energy. So for me, that's a win for me.
Okay. In my mind not to say i'm taking any credit for it but i just makes me feel good when i'm able to help somebody okay when you can

take what you've learned and why i do what i do no matter what it is is to try to help others yeah okay okay and i i

i believe that

because

My worlds are so commingled that it actually helps me give a different perspective than if I were just a soccer coach or just an insurance agent or just this or just that.

So when you hear scenarios, all of a sudden my database is saying, okay, this, this, this, this. Let's get, okay, this is how I'm going to help or how I can possibly help.
Or, as you mentioned,

who can I find to help? Because it's not just me. Okay, as they say, it takes a village.
It's not just me. They say, let me connect you with this person.
Let me connect. Oh, I got the perfect person.

And I think that

I feel incredibly

blessed to have those relationships with wonderful. He

totally agree.

The second thing I want to unplug, I have this huge parallel, right? I run this series on the connection between sports and weirders.

And I tell people this all the time, and I don't mean it exclusively.

But I personally believe that if you were the leader of your sports team, you you were a cap, you were the person that rallied the troops, I mean, you make the most dynamic leaders in the business spaces because you see so much and like in sport, and it doesn't really matter the sport,

every match, there's going to be adversity, right? There's going to be a letdown, and there's going to come a moment where you just got to be a dog and say, I'm just going to do it anyway.

And to me, that's business, right? Like, there's going to be adversity. There's sometimes you just got to roll up and say, hey, we're just doing this, thing, marriage.
Right.

What do you think about the parallel between business?

I'm all about that. I think that, especially, like I said, it doesn't matter which sport, but obviously I relate closest to soccer.

And what people don't understand is that soccer is a game of mistakes. Otherwise, every time you get the ball, you would score.
Somebody's going to mess up.

Somebody's going to mess up. So do you point the finger at that person and then the next time you lose it, you point the finger at that person? No, no, no, no.
Because we're a team. Okay.

We're trying to process this to get to the promised land. okay.
So, I'm a big believer in that adversity, what you learn from sport, whatever it is,

okay, you're gonna it's step step step down, step step, step down.

You just want to keep your eye on what you want to do, you know, your processes, your vision, what's your end game, where you want to go, okay? It's good, there's gonna be some pitfalls.

So, um, I do, I definitely think that that translates. And, and, and, uh,

all about the

okay, as a captain, as a leader, as a coach, okay,

the job of a coach is to get the team ready. Okay.
They can't play the game. They just got to get them ready.
So on game day, that's the player's time. That's the fun time, right?

That's the players' time right there. Okay.

We can't do it for them. Okay.

And so as a CEO,

It's about it just like I do it as a coach. When we don't win, I take the responsibility.

Okay? I can't point a finger and say, you didn't do this, you didn't do that. You know what? I didn't get you ready to do that.

How could I have helped you be more prepared to get that sale? How could I have helped you to be better at coaching this person? How could I help you get better at X, Y, or Z? Okay.

That's the job. That's the role that a leader needs to take.
Okay? Because, and then when you win, praise has to go to them too. Absolutely.
Praise that. You can't take all the praise.

Your name's going to be there. Right.
But you can't do it without them. And you always got to let them know that, hey, you guys are rock stars.

So for the leader that's struggling, and they probably don't know they're struggling with this.

So I want all the leaders, and I don't care if it's a business, if it's your community, if it's your household, like you are a leader if you're listening to the podcast.

If you are struggling with or not aware on how to give your team praise, because a lot of times, you just said it, it's real easy to give criticism.

and we see that a lot like i i say where most managers i'm not talking about leaders where most managers fail is they don't connect with their team because they worry about the products they worry about the gotchas they worry about the you did this wrong

what's some advice to up wreck your team

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I think that you gotta remember where you started.

Okay. You got to remember who helped you.
We all have those people. We all have them.
I got them. I got my people

on speedbout, you know, that have, that have helped me when I thought I was great. And I realized, oh, I'm not great.
Okay.

Then I realized that's where I want to be. Yeah.
Okay. And I take those lessons.
So I think that, as you said, it's really easy.

to point the finger as they say, you know, when you point the finger, you get three more coming back at you. Okay.

And that's a, that's a,

just a great concept to always remember, okay. But yeah, I mean, we can all see it.
Oh, yeah, they messed up, but most times people know they messed up, okay. Why we got to rub it in, okay.

Why do we have to make them feel even worse than what they already are? Okay, can we pick them up? Can we, can we, can we acknowledge and learn from it?

Can we acknowledge and make it better the next time? Okay,

that's that's really all that it is, man. That's all it is.

So,

second last question before we get rapid fire.

For the parents that are watching Robicity

that

don't have their kids in sports,

why is it important

to have your kids in some type of sport?

I'm going to say as soon as possible,

but whenever that becomes accessible for you. Why is having your kids in sports important

for their development, in sport sport physically, for their mental, for their community association.

I know you're a huge advocate of that. So why is that important to you?

Well,

no matter what the sport is, I think it's more of a psychological thing. Okay.
So the psychology of having a goal, achieving success, having a goal and not achieving success and learning from it.

Okay. It's a great mentor.

Whatever you're choosing to do, whether it's an individual sport like a tennis or a golf, golf okay

um

or a team sport like a basketball or soccer or lacrosse

um

the team sports just teaches people how to work together okay we have to depend on each other but also people are dependent upon you okay so when you get into the workforce or you get into school or you get into whatever it may be

If you don't know how to work with others, you may struggle. Okay.
Not everybody can be Picasso, okay?

Okay. And just, you know, do their thing.
And most people work on some sort of team, whether it's a partnership, whether it's a team of a thousand people at a big Fortune 500 company. Okay.

You're part of a team. Most people are.
Okay.

So that's what sport teaches you. Okay.

But also if you're not involved in sport, if you're a musician, you're part of the band. The band is not clicking.

If the drummer is not doing doing his thing and the bassist is not doing her thing, then

what's up? It just don't sound right. I mean, we've heard some really bad karaoke.
You know what I'm saying?

So,

you know,

they were off. Cheers to the suspects.

You know what? But I can say that because I did it. Okay.
Those who don't do it, I don't know if you can talk smack about those that are doing it, right? Okay. Okay.
But, you know, it's, you know, so

it's just really about being a part of a team. And I use that word team with whether, whatever position I'm in, whatever, whatever role that I'm in, we call it a team.
We're a team. This is my squad.

Okay. This is who I'm rolling with.
And I think that that plays a really good part in,

like I said, dealing with that adversity in life.

No, I love that, Matt. So for all the parents, seriously.

Get your kids involved in Stewart.

Again, it doesn't matter the sport, but then also

you be involved as well, right?

Like, I would say it's almost worse to have your child in sport and then you don't show interest in what you're doing into their social devices, into their physical and mental disalomate as well.

As a coach, so this will be the last question before we hear Rapid Pyrene.

As a coach, what are some things that you see parents should be doing better or differently as it relates to their kids and involved?

Aside from not, you know, wanting their kid to be the quarterback or they quit when they can't be the goal.

Well, it's interesting because I see it from so many different perspectives.

I have three wonderful children that were involved in activities growing up and they're still involved in a lot of activities. I think just being present for them, okay, is the first thing.

Just being there, supportive. You know,

number two, making sure that you're not

blaming their coach

or

their individual player. Okay.

Because when they hear you start saying these things, then they lose respect for their coach. Okay.

Same thing for a teacher. Same thing for whomever.
You just want to make sure that

you're there to understand that you're there to support your child and their team. Okay.

And

if they know that, then they're going to be a part of it.

They'll want to do it longer.

They'll work harder at it. They'll want to

do things to make you happy as a parent as well.

So

we're all teaching each other. We all learn.
You don't have to be older to be the teacher. You can be younger and still be the teacher.
The child can teach the parent.

about what it means to be supportive.

Especially

when it's tough, okay?

When a child is struggling with making their free throws or catching a ball or defending or scoring a goal, okay? It's so important that

you get out there with them and you say, hey, you got this. Again, this game is, this game, this world, life is psychological and how you approach it, okay?

I always remember when I first got into the insurance business, I was out in Palm Springs, California, and there was a gentleman by the name of Keith Harrell who spoke and he talked about his book attitude is everything yeah and that's just resonated me ever since I was young see attitude is everything it's all about how you approach it okay and so as a parent your attitude is how everything and how your child is going to progress with whatever they do okay whether it's the school sports life work whatever it is okay your friendships the people you meet everything is going to be your attitude is everything.

How are you approaching this? Okay. Is it open or are we just being closed-minded? Yeah.
Okay.

And you got to give it a chance. Got to give it a chance.
Totally agree. Totally agree.
All right. You ready for some wrath of fire? Not really.
You should take a sip. I'm coming in.

I'm coming in with the heat. Coming in with the heat.
All right.

So,

UNC,

the school you went to, big rivals.

And I don't care what colleges you went to, you know you're rivals. Right, right.

What was your record? against Carolina? In soccer? Two and two. We won both games at home.
They won both games at their place. Okay.

What about all sport? What was your record against mine during your four years? Assuming you went four years. Well,

it is as you say it. Okay, okay.
Well, actually, we went to class. Okay, so that part.
And we just didn't put on a UNC

online. You were online back in the early 90s.
Back the other day, we were online.

No, we were hot. We were hot because I was there.
Again, you're trying to tell my age, but when we were there, we were hot in every sport. Okay.
We took care of you guys. So there's no doubt.

So you're not giving me a number. I can look

you in the eye and you in the eye. All sport, Carolina versus state.
When I was in school,

all sports. All sports.
73 and 4, bro. We only lost the state four times ever.
All sports. Just, you know.

Little brother status. You know what? That was just a time.
You know, they call it the dark period. That dude.
Renaissance. then, I don't know,

something like that, okay?

I can neither confirm nor deny what you're saying, okay? But if you're getting your information from Wikipedia, I'm not sure if that's what's up. No, it's 2025.
We have more sources. Okay, okay.

We have more sources. Okay.
All right. So your top five NC State basketball roster.
And it's got to be like, they got to be able to play a game. So you can't go like five-point marks, right? Oh, yeah.

Give me your top five. So we're going to put your top five against my top five.
Oh, it's all, and we're gonna let the audience tell us who wins these games. Oh, top five, okay.

Yep, you're starting five. Okay, I'm gonna go with my boy Corch.
That's my dog right there, man. Chris Corch, all-time guy assist leader in Coula when he left.
Okay, so he was fire, okay.

He was fired, he was fired, and I gotta go with his partner, Ice. I mean, the best shooter ever to play in the league, okay, yeah, in the league.
So, you're going Rodney Monroe, Rodney Monroe, okay.

So, you're going Rodney Monroe over

Sydney Lowe, yeah, Yeah.

You said I need five. You need five? Now Wit's my boy.
Now

Wit is trolled to him. You know that

on this podcast.

Wit's a great passer. You know, that's how they won a national championship.
People thought it was a shot, but it was a pass to Lorenzo Charles in 83. Wit.
Okay.

You and I have had this conversation at 10 by 10 and real. You thought when it left your finger, you told me this.
You thought it was bottom of the net. No.
You told me that.

It was smooth. That's what threw everybody off because everybody's looking around.

But our man, rest in peace, Lorenzo, knew what was up. It was a set play that Jimmy B had drawn up.
So that's what's up. That's not what Bit told.
Okay. All right.
So you got two.

You got your backcourt. Oh, I got my backcourt.
You know, small four. We're going with

the greatest college basketball player ever.

Skywalker. Skywalker.
David Thompson.

He was MJ's idol. He was MJ's idol.
Yeah, MJ was, MJ was decent. Okay.

We're talking college, not pro.

College. He was the best.
You saw the jumper. Okay,

okay. It was a nice jumper.
Okay. All right.
I'll tell you what, man, my power for it, man, that's that's a oh

I'm keeping it with the guys I play with. I got to go with Googs, man.

Tom Gugliata.

Beast.

The second best NBA career won't say you wear.

That should tell you something right now.

Shout out to Googz. You're a good guy, but yeah.
Okay. Tom Gugliata.

Yeah. All right, so we're going fire fire and ice, yeah, David Thompson,

googs. Now, I really got to think about my center.
You sure do, because you don't want to be myself. I haven't had too many of them.
No, you know, because everybody's in stretch five now.

I'm gonna see if I want to bang her,

see who I can get.

I mean, who you should say, but but we'll see if we say who you gonna say, Chris Washburn, yes, sir,

yes, sir,

absolutely. Oh, man,

very easy, yeah, yeah, yeah, My guy, Wash Vern, yes, yes, yes. No,

he could do it. He could, he, man, that's historic.
Between him and Shacoford, man.

But I don't know, man. I mean, Burleson, I mean, we just could have go some height because I got a, you know,

maybe somebody that's going to get some rebounds. I mean, that's a big boy.
You're talking about when they were playing at their prime. I'm going to go with Burleson.
Okay.

So it's a good mix, right?

Yeah. Okay.
Yeah. For the play against your JV squad.
Is that what you're saying? So, all right.

Burrows hit at the five. Googs at the four.

DT at three. Yep.
Rodney Moreau at the two.

Courtier the point. Yes.

Stats. You can pick my five.
You can pick my five, and we just watched that.

So for everybody that's watching and listening, they had to Google three out of those squads. They had to Google

this guy.

This guy.

So I'm just going to go top of the dome because I can match that up. Okay.
So I'm going to go Phil Ford at the point. I could have gone Kenny Smith.
I could have.

I could have gone Ed Coda, my guy, my point guard, Ed Coda. Okay.
I'm going to go Phil Ford. Okay.
Fair enough.

So,

you know, you brought up Jordan and the pro. People, go watch Jordan play in college, bro.
Like, like, Jordan shot like 60% from the field in college.

Yeah, we only took five shots a game because Dean was holding him back. That's all we had to do.
I mean, come on, man. Five for five.
Okay. So I'm going Jordan.
Okay.

man i could go anywhere i could give you vince at the degree

i could i could go old school i could give you rip fox at the three right like

you don't have to google these names

you don't have to go oh but that's his husband you don't have to google these rickle slap tastes actually

um i'm gonna go james worthy of the three

oh at the three yeah okay We'll go to James Worthy of the three. Okay, that'd be a good matchup, him and David.
Okay.

That's why I went there because I know he could shut that down okay that's that's easy work big game james yeah okay

all right at the four and five man like i could go anywhere

so i'm gonna give you

hands rudd the four

just because that's our that's our intimidating force out there shout out to th t you know you're my guy

At the five, man, like, we could go stretch. I could give you Rashid.

I could put Antoine down there at the five if I really wanted to i could give you brad doherty i could give you sam perkins like i could just keep giving you name i can give you

i can give you all those names okay but i'm giving you the guy okay and this is a shout out to him we lost him last year i'm gonna give a shout out to my guy big grits i'm going eric montra montros now that's a good call i'm going eric montross is a great dude man yeah great good people yeah yeah And I just, I put that five just to shut your five down.

Just to shut your results. I don't think you have enough scoring.

Phil Ford and Jordan are going to put up 40 points.

I don't think you got enough scoring, though.

Are we playing with the three or without the three? It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.
It literally does. Phil Ford is deadly from three.

Phil Ford, even though he never saw a three-point,

he is deadly.

It's like Pistol Pete. Pistol Pete averaged 200 points a game.
I know it. I know.
No three-point.

It would be deadly at three. Yeah.
Phil Ford was that same guy. And you know, we're going four corners to shut down.
Oh, yeah, is there a shot? Is there a shot clock? It doesn't matter.

What kind of rules we play? Once we go up 10, y'all are done.

We go up 10, y'all can't come back. Y'all have no speed on Hopins.
Hell speed. We got big grits to send everything.

I don't know, man. I don't know.
And Harrisburg is going to give you 25 boards.

All right. That was supposed to be rapid fire.

We went on the table. That's what Marlowe and I did.

All right. So,

last rapid fire.

We were talking about this a little bit the other night. We were educating our spouses.

Give me your top

three albums of all time. Oh.
And I go an album, not just off of a song. I'm talking about the complete track one to track 12.
Okay.

If you had to just, you're going on a trip and you got three albums you can listen to the whole time on rotation. Give me a little.
Oh, wow. Dangerous.
Man. Dangerous.

I've got two and I'm trying to think of of the third.

I'm trying to think of the third. Mm-hmm.

And for those listening and watching, I want you to, in the notes, give me your top three albums of all time. So

albums, full albums, front or to back. Yeah.
The whole 45. Okay.

Here's where we're going to go. Okay.
I'm going to start with.

I'm going to start with one that

definitely influenced me in high school. And I think it set off

a whole generation of

hip-hop.

Okay.

I'm going to go with 3A and 3B because they came out at the same time.

That's okay.

And that was Run DMC, Raising Hell. Yep.
And Beastie Boys, Licensed to Ill.

Those came out at the same time and everybody was playing both of them. And I think what what it did is it started so many different trends in the music industry from those two albums.

And you still hear tracks on them right now, and people know those songs.

I'm going to go off the track.

Me and my boy, Pat Noel, we're talking about this up in Annapolis, Maryland.

Led Zeppelin 4.

You say front to back? Front to back. You're not fine.
Led Zeppelin 4. Yes.

is because they they show complete range yeah

oh man everything great everything

i agree i agree and i could have made this all about the artists but i mean i could have just named all the front albums but of course

you know

i can listen to purple rain

anytime any place

controversy may be a better album though

which was his

another one with reach yeah another one with reach So I'm not going to go with the one that everybody wants me to say. Okay.
Which is Propo Ram. Okay.

Interestingly enough, his Love Sexy album. Okay.

You had to listen to it from front to back. Yeah.
He came out and said, you cannot skip from one track to another trap. I remember.

So if you really want to go with the ultimate front to back, it's got to be that one because you can't get to song nine without in-words one through eight first. That is very true.

That is also very true. I dig it.
Barlow, man, I appreciate you. And I wanted to tell you this.
I mean, we see each other all the time.

We tell each other, Tom, but I've never really told you this, man.

Like, one of the things that I most admire about you, and you kind of hit it on every year, but being present with all the things that you have going on, man, your first job was being a dad.

I say your second job is being a husband, right? You might reverse those however you want to, but

that's what I admire most about you, man. Like, between you and damon

man like you you guys have shown me and i just told me but shown them

no matter what your schedule looks like remember what your real job is that's to be a dad be a husband so i wanted to tell you man like you and damon are the two people that i booked to to help remind me of that on a daily basis because i mean you know what our schedules are like bro like i mean we're We're at home sometimes two days a week out of out of a month.

Like literally, we might be home two days a week out of a month but you can still be present you can still find ways to make sure that you're impacting and making sure you have time to be there for those that matter very low so i just wanted to tell you to your face no no no i respect the hell out of you no no no i appreciate that man but as i said before

um

mentorship and inspiration comes from many levels. Okay.

And it's, and it's interesting. We were having a conversation yesterday with some young gentlemen from Canada.
And they're like, they asked the question. It's like, is this guy for real?

And I said, man, there's one thing I know about Mick. If he says he's going to do it, he's going to do it.
And to that, you inspire me with that. Okay.
So I may have some.

some more grays up here and some more

tooth and that'll ruin it what is it rings around my tree or whatever okay but you know what i'm always learning okay and that's that's what we always have to do and you inspire me to be great just spending time with with you

this this week i mean you inspire me to be great and so i just want to tell you that that man love everything you're doing

you are and and and you're not you haven't stopped and i don't see you stopping i can't you're not gonna stop yeah can't stop won't stop legacy yeah yeah

and uh yeah you you what you do everything you you do,

it's inspiring to me. I learned to say that, brother.
This is to you. All right.
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