Picking the Next Pope & Democrats’ New Message | 4.22.25

Speaker 1 Pope Francis passes away just one day after delivering an Easter message to millions of Christian faithful.

Speaker 1 I'm Georgia Howe with Daily Wire editor-in-chief John Bickley. It's Tuesday, April 22nd, and this is Morning Wire.

Speaker 1 It will be days before the church selects a new pontiff, but there are already some favorites emerging.

Speaker 4 Pope Francis had opened the door to giving blessings to individuals in same-sex unions. That's something we could potentially see reversed.

Speaker 5 And with Republicans in control of D.C., Democrats are searching for a strategy and a leader to pull them out of the political abyss.

Speaker 6 I think we do need a new generation of leaders, and I applaud what's going on.

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Speaker 8 All federal flags and state flags at half-mast in honor of Pope Francis. So he was a good man, worked hard, he loved the world, and it's an honor to do that.

Speaker 5 That was President Trump commemorating the life of Pope Francis. The 266th head of the Catholic Church passed away Monday at the age of 88.

Speaker 5 His death marks the end of a transformative and at times polarizing papacy.

Speaker 1 Here with more on the impact of Pope Francis is Daily Wire culture reporter Megan Basham.

Speaker 1 So, Megan, we saw a real outpouring at the Vatican yesterday, thousands of people showing up to pray, to light candles.

Speaker 1 Looking back at this past decade with Pope Francis, what do you think his legacy is going to be?

Speaker 9 Well, I think certainly, Georgia, he's going to be remembered as something of a progressive reformer.

Speaker 9 In 2013, shortly after he was elected, he made his famously controversial statement about gay priests, saying, who am I to judge? And then in 2015, his encyclical called for environmental action.

Speaker 9 That's something he continually urged world leaders to do to address climate change. And then during his last Easter address on Sunday, directly after meeting with Vice President J.D.

Speaker 9 Vance, he warned politicians against stirring up anti-migrant sentiments.

Speaker 9 Immigration, of course, was an issue that he spoke about frequently, like in this interview with CBS's Nora O'Donnell last year.

Speaker 10 I don't know if you've heard, but the state of Texas is attempting to shut down a Catholic charity on the border with Mexico that offers undocumented migrants humanitarian assistance.

Speaker 8 What do you think of that?

Speaker 8 That is madness. Sheer madness.

Speaker 8 To close the border and leave them there, that is madness.

Speaker 8 The migrant has to be received.

Speaker 8 Thereafter, you see how you're going to deal with it.

Speaker 9 But that said, his papacy wasn't as transformative as some theological progressives would have liked. He did endorse civil unions for same-sex couples.
That was a historic move for a pope.

Speaker 9 And he approved a document saying that priests could bless gay couples, but he also upheld this church's stance that marriage is between a man and a woman.

Speaker 9 So he stopped short of that full affirmation that so many LGBTQ activists were looking for. He also refused to approve the use of contraceptives or ordaining women to the priesthood.

Speaker 9 And plus, he was always a very strong advocate for the sanctity of life. And that was something that conservatives certainly cheered.

Speaker 1 But also, some conservatives did feel targeted by him, correct?

Speaker 9 They did. And I'd say that's because beyond his overall more progressive positions, he also took actions to suppress a conservative resurgence in the church.

Speaker 9 In 2021, he started severely restricting the celebration of the Latin Mass. And that was a reversal from the previous Pope Benedict.

Speaker 9 He argued that that right, which conservatives cherish, was being used to foster division and to reject Vatican II's liturgical reforms. But traditional communities felt targeted by that.

Speaker 9 And further, Francis took steps to curb the influence of conservative prelates who viewed his reforms as a threat to church tradition.

Speaker 9 One example of that, in 2014, he removed conservative cardinals like Raymond Burke, a vocal critic from a key Vatican post.

Speaker 9 He also appointed more moderate and progressive bishops to various roles of authority and elevated like-minded clerics to the College of Cardinals.

Speaker 9 And because of this, you have a lot of critics accusing him of stacking the deck and stifling dissent.

Speaker 9 But that said, Father Robert Sirico, former president of the Conservative Acton Institute, did tell Morningwire that he thinks the accusations of Francis being a Marxist go too far.

Speaker 11 The simple way of looking at it is to say he was really progressive.

Speaker 11 I think he profoundly misunderstood the United States on a very visceral level. And I think that was owing to his Argentinian background and what happened in his lifetime in Argentina.

Speaker 1 Now, the irony is we just had a decade with what many people say is the most progressive Pope yet.

Speaker 1 And still, just in the past year or two, as you've reported on this show, we've seen article after article about a resurgence of conservative Catholicism, particularly with young people.

Speaker 9 Yeah, and those are some really fascinating trends right now.

Speaker 9 Last year, we reported on the surge of Catholic conversions among young people in New York City, but there's evidence that this trend is happening in a variety of nations in Europe as well.

Speaker 9 According to the Bishops' Conference of France, more than 10,000 adults were baptized into the Roman Catholic Church on Easter Sunday.

Speaker 9 And they say that that is the largest wave of conversions in at least two decades. And it's mostly coming from young adults between the ages of 18 and 25.

Speaker 9 And then something similar is happening in England, where surveys now show that Catholics outnumber Anglicans by about two to one among Gen Z and younger millennials.

Speaker 9 And these younger people, particularly young men, are being especially drawn to conservative expressions of the faith, what's known as the Trad Cath or traditional Catholic movement.

Speaker 9 So really kind of going in a different direction from where Francis was trying to take the church.

Speaker 1 Well, it'll be interesting to see if the surge of conservatism leads to a more conservative pope being named. Megan, thanks for reporting.

Speaker 9 Anytime.

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Speaker 5 Speculation is already swirling about who will become the head of the Catholic Church.

Speaker 1 The Cardinals will convene over the next few days to select the Pope, and our reporter Mairead Alordi joins us with the details. So Mairead, what happens next?

Speaker 12 Hi, Georgia. So when a Pope dies, the Cardinals convene a papal conclave where they cast ballots for the next pope.

Speaker 12 Famously, white smoke appears from the Sistine Chapel's chimney when a new pope is elected, and a cardinal comes out to announce the new pope to cheering crowds in St. Peter's Square.

Speaker 12 Here's what that sounded like in 2013 when Francis was elected.

Speaker 12 The big question on many Catholics' minds is whether the new pope will lean conservative or progressive on controversial issues.

Speaker 12 As Megan noted, Francis was pretty strong on Catholic doctrine, but he often sent mixed messages that endeared him to progressives.

Speaker 12 One of the more conservative names we're hearing is Cardinal Robert Seurat, an African cardinal from Guinea, who's been an outspoken critic of Francis.

Speaker 12 Seurat was critical of Francis' restrictions on the traditional Latin Mass and his statement on blessings for same-sex couples that caused confusion.

Speaker 12 Here's Seurat talking about the church's purpose when it comes to the global migrant crisis.

Speaker 3 The church is not a social organization to meet problem of migration or poverty. The church is a divine purpose to save the world.

Speaker 12 Cardinal Wim Edge is also considered a conservative potential successor. Edge is a former medical doctor from the Netherlands, and he's been a sharp critic of Francis.

Speaker 12 He's one of the authors of a 2015 document opposing the Pope's approval of civil remarriages among people who have not received an annulment.

Speaker 12 Cardinal Malcolm Renjith is another conservative from Sri Lanka. He criticized bishops who did not obey Pope Benedict on allowing the Latin Mass.

Speaker 12 And Cardinal Raymond Burke is one of the few potential successors from the United States.

Speaker 12 Burke said that Catholic politicians who support legal abortion, like former President Joe Biden, should not receive the Eucharist.

Speaker 1 So several conservatives in the running. What about progressives?

Speaker 12 Yes, there are a number of progressive and politically moderate candidates who are also likely to take the reins of the church.

Speaker 12 We're hearing Cardinal Luis Antonio Tagley, who's been called the Asian Pope Francis and would likely continue France's more left-leaning stances.

Speaker 12 Tagli's defended the church's teachings on abortion and contraception, but he has also criticized the church for using harsh words for LGBT people and divorced and remarried Catholics.

Speaker 12 Another more progressive cardinal in the running is the French Cardinal Jean-Marc Aveline, who was reportedly Francis' favorite to succeed him and is well liked in left-wing circles.

Speaker 12 Cardinal Pietro Paulin is an Italian cardinal who's been in the Holy See's diplomatic service since the 1980s.

Speaker 12 He's considered a political moderate and has played a role in many political issues, including moderating 2014 talks between Cuban and American officials.

Speaker 12 Cardinals with global diplomatic experience are often considered seriously for Pope.

Speaker 1 Well, we'll be watching closely to see what direction the Vatican takes next. Marie, thanks for reporting.

Speaker 12 Thanks, Georgia.

Speaker 1 As President Trump approaches his 100th day in office, Democrats are searching for a message and a messenger to lead their party.

Speaker 5 Daily Wire senior editor Cabot Phillips is here to break down what's at stake in this intra-party power struggle. Hey, Cabot, so Democrats really face a conundrum here.
What's the latest in this?

Speaker 7 Well, ever since November's crushing defeat, there's been little cause for confidence within the Democratic Party.

Speaker 7 For the optimists on the left, Democrats did see a strong turnout in special elections in a dozen or so states, where their candidates outperformed Kamala Harris by an average of 10%.

Speaker 7 And most notably, they won a resounding victory for a Supreme Court seat in Wisconsin, a state Trump won by a point. But the bad news certainly outweighs the good for the left right now.

Speaker 7 First, Gallup just found that the approval rating for Democrat leaders in Congress has fallen to just 25%.

Speaker 5 Pretty dramatic. So what's driving that dissatisfaction among Democrat voters?

Speaker 7 So there are a few things. First, polling shows that folks on the left feel their leaders do not have a clear strategy for standing up to Trump.

Speaker 7 A recent survey from Data for Progress asked Democrat voters how they would grade their party's leaders' response to Trump. Seven in 10 gave a C, D, or F.

Speaker 7 Now, if they had a singular leader to rally around, there might be more optimism, but there isn't a clear standard bearer waiting in the wings.

Speaker 7 And that void has left an opportunity for Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, two of the party's most popular and controversial lawmakers, to really take center stage here.

Speaker 7 Well, in the first few weeks after the election, Democrats seemed torn on whether to cast a wide net, turn from culture war issues and embrace a more moderate approach, or lean into far-left populism.

Speaker 7 And right now, it seems the party's base is choosing the latter. A poll last week from Survey USA found that 50% of Democrats want the party to, quote, become more progressive.

Speaker 7 Only 18% said, quote, more moderate. And that is music to the ears of AOC and Bernie Sanders.
They've launched a fighting oligarchy speaking tour. They've drawn massive crowds all across the country.

Speaker 7 Have a listen to AOC's take on the president.

Speaker 13 Donald Trump is a criminal who was found guilty of 34 felony counts of fraud.

Speaker 13 Of course, he's lying and abusing and manipulating the stock market too.

Speaker 13 When he talks about rapists and criminals, he should look in the mirror.

Speaker 7 The party's base, they seem to love it. Casio-Cortez raised nearly $10 million last quarter.
That is by far her largest haul since taking office.

Speaker 7 And according to a recent YouGov poll, she's got a plus 61 approval rating among among Democrat voters. That's the highest mark for any Democrat official.

Speaker 7 Polls now show that Ocasio-Cortez is among the two or three frontrunners for the Democrat Party's nomination in 2028. And that is big.

Speaker 7 Now, if the Democrats do take a hard turn left, there is a real risk they alienate even more Americans who were clearly already uneasy with the party in November.

Speaker 7 To that point, California Governor Gavin Newsom is pushing hard for his party to make a B-line for the middle.

Speaker 7 He has urged them to retreat from political correctness, oppose transgender boys and girls' sports, and refrain from apocalyptic language about Donald Trump and his supporters.

Speaker 7 Right now, that message does not seem to be gaining much traction with the party space.

Speaker 5 That seems like most Democrats still are all in on the anti-Trump messaging. Kevin, thanks so much for reporting.
Absolutely.

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