Paul Rudd on Why Jack Black is The Best, Worst Auditions, Chiefs Fandom & Naming Your Nuts | EP 171

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One of your first jobs was as a bar mitzvah DJ. Yeah.
What was on the playlist? I mean, you got shout from Animal House, classic.

There was also, here we come now, singing Mo Nay, Monet.

And then all the kids they say, get late, get

all the parents go, hmm? What?

What?

Welcome back to New Heights, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls. A wondry show, and we are your hosts.
I'm Travis Kelsey.

This is my big brother, Jason Kelsey, out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio, University of Cincinnati. Grads, shout out to all the Bearcats out there.
And let's go, Bearcats basketball. Come on, baby.

Let's go, baby. Let's go, man.
Let's take the Big 12 by storm, baby, by storm.

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Jason, wants to tell the people what we have coming up this episode. 92%, we got a great episode coming up.
We got a great guest episode. That's right.

Joining us today is the first guest we ever had on the show. Yes, sir.

Paul Rod is here. Yay!

We're going to talk about everything from his new movie, Anaconda, coming out, working with the one and only Jack Plack.

We're also going to find out if he knows ball and so much more.

So stick around. Check it out.

Here we go. In three,

two,

one.

All righty, our guest today is an actor, producer, screenwriter from the University of Kansas. You know him from

talk. This is 40.
I love you, man. Anchor man, Parks and Direct, White Hot American Summer, and his upcoming movie, Anaconda.

He's the guy who made Ant-Man Cool, a die-hard cheese fan, and the 2021 sexiest man alive, and the first ever guest on New Heights. That's right.
Please welcome back 92% as Mr.

Go.

What? Hell yeah. Oh, yeah.
It's good to be back with you guys. Welcome back, my brother.
Thank you for having me. It's good to see you.

It's always good to see you guys. Is that true? First, yeah.
You wish me a happy birthday, man. Travis had a birthday.
Oh, I remember that. And you surprised guests.

You know what I remember the most from that? It was your birthday, Travis. And we were laughing, and then we started talking about our dads, and we just wound up crying.
That's exactly what happened.

It's like, happy birthday. And we were all bawling.

Thank you.

That's not why you wanted me on. It is.
It is. It's exactly what I needed.
I needed to get reminded that I have an amazing dad on my birthday. And I had to thank him for that.
So this is great, man.

Well, I appreciate you coming back on.

you're obviously in the middle of promoting Anaconda, dude. Yeah, um, the last thing I kind of remember talking to you a little bit uh over the summer about this at the big slick, dude.

Yeah, baby, and you were you were mentioning it, and I was like all giddy in the seat, like getting ready, like, dude, you guys are really doing this? Yep, this is so fucking cool, man.

You and Jack Black, everyone's always fucking loved the duo of seeing you guys uh just interact here and there, and now they get to see it on the big screen, baby.

He's let's go, he's the best, He's one of one, Jack Black.

Dude, unbelievable. Multi-talented.

He's musical talent. Yeah.

He's like a comedy tsunami.

He's a tornado of talent. There we go.
The alliteration god. He is.
He's like the Tasmanian devil.

I got to know who had this idea. Where did this come from? The guy who wrote this script is a guy named Kevin Etten.
And he wrote it with another guy.

He's kind of his partner, is a guy named Tom Gormikin. They had done another movie previous to this called The Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent, which I don't, I would highly recommend this movie.

Nicholas Cage is in it

playing himself. And Pedro Pascal is in it playing a guy who's just really into Nicholas Cage.
And

it's hilarious. And it's this weird meta comedy.
It's just so smart and original. And so I loved that movie.
I saw it like four times. And when this script showed up, it was from these guys.

I'm like, oh, my God, they made that amazing movie. And I started reading it and started laughing just because it's similar in that people think it's a remake of Anaconda, but it's really not.

It's, it's these, these idiots that try and remake Anaconda.

And so it's kind of, you know, the indie way. Yeah.
And then while we're trying to make this, you know, we're not filmmakers. We were just kids that used to to make movies together because it was fun.

And then we're now, you know, all old and our lives are not, they haven't worked out the way we expected them to.

So we kind of throw caution to the wind and try and recapture the magic and pursue our dream of finally making a movie. We're going to reboot, reimagine our favorite movie, Anaconda.

And then we go down and then we start getting hunted by a real Anaconda. It's

epic. It's so dumb.
It's epic, dude. I fucking loved every second of it, man.
Absolutely.

man. I got a dude.
So you mentioned

a bunch of friends that used to make movies as kids. Yeah.
When you were a kid in high school and middle school, like,

was there ever a camcorder, like a house, like family camcorder that you used to like do stuff like this in the backyard? Absolutely. This is like, this was, that was my favorite thing to do.

I had the camera, you know, I mean, I'm a fossil. So I had that, I had the camcorder that

you put the videotape in the side of it and then close it. And then I would just, you know, hit the button to record.
I would self-edit through the camera.

Through the camera. Oh, wow.
I was going to say as soon as I get it.

Just stop starting. Stop starting.

And so

I would, yeah,

I made movies with. uh buddies of mine i did it all through college um and i thought they were so funny and And I watch them back.
It's like, these are terrible. These

are awful.

It was the experience, though, man. You get your feet wet.

Do you remember any of the names of the movies? One of the things that I used to do was with a buddy of mine named Guy Garvin. And we did a series of, they were Hey Garvin.

They were the Hey, who was the Hey Garvin series.

And it started where it was like, hey, Garvin, toss me a beer, would you? And he would just always say, all right. And he'd be in another room somewhere.

And then he would throw a beer and through these cuts, it would fly around corners.

And then we did about 10 of them. And they just got more and more elaborate outside, inside.

This is gold. This is gold.

I asked that because Jason did the exact same thing.

You know I'm going here. Jason had, and Jason, you can go ahead and tell him the

gist of it, but I just remembered the name of it being Ribs of Beef. That was one of the movies we made.

I was in a satire class in high school, and we like reimagined the Rumpel Stiltskin movie or story as a movie about a king that just wanted KFC chicken. And somehow

ribs of beef would spin something into fried chicken. It was so stupid.
Looking back, I was like, what are we doing?

But I used to, I loved, we were the next wave of it. I would go on iMovie.
I made Travis's highlight films. I would make like highlight films for the team.
Oh, really? I loved messing. Oh, yeah.

We loved messing around with all that stuff. It was so fun.
So watching this film, like the squatch portion was like, so just like, oh my gosh, this is hitting home right now. Yeah.
I know

it is a thing I think

a lot of kids do. That's what they did kind of growing up.
And that's, you know, I definitely related to that. part of the story.

You know, when you're that age and you're talking to your friends, like, we, we could do this.

We could do this. You see us on the screen? People would freak out if they saw how good these videos are that we're making.

I'm really glad that they're not on

YouTube because I'm coming back at it now. It's like, these, these are on water.

That was the fun of it, though, because Jason's, Jason's the same way. His was on the old school like family camcorder, like the school camcorder that he used.
So this is like ancient artifact.

Like you, it's in somebody's parents' storage that they just pop out every like few like decades, and it's just like unless your dad records law and order over time,

which legitimately

a family

video

just cuts to the law and order intro in the middle of it. Like, dad, are you

so good, man? Well, my wife was um pregnant with our son, Jack, who you guys know. Um, that's my guy.
Uh, Julie watches so much Law and Order. Like it's on a loop all day,

all the time. And then

when Jack was a baby, when Law and Order would come on, I mean, he couldn't even walk. He's like on the couch, kind of half sleeping.
When the dong, dong, don't, he would just pop up.

And you can see the man.

He was so used to kind of when he was inside hearing that theme. Um, it was like a dog whistle for him.

So good. It is a catchy tail man.

It is. You and Jack Black starring this thing.

In terms of like how it came together for your guys's role, did you guys come together on this? Or did you take it to him? Did he take it to you?

Did the writers already have this kind of like mapped out that they wanted you guys to take this role on together or what? I got sent this script and I read it and thought it was really smart.

and funny and I hadn't really seen anything quite like it.

But it was kind of still a work in progress. So I started started kind of trying to work with them and start to develop it a little bit more with them.
They were writing it. I didn't write any of it.

But

we had talked about it for months and months. And I was

real gung-ho to do it. And

something else had come up and it wasn't really set up. And then I got this message that, oh, Jack Black read it.
And he wants to do it.

And I've worked with Jack a couple of times, but never like this. And we've done little bits, you know, in things in the past.
And I really, I mean, I love Jack. He's the greatest, as we all know.
And

so I thought, oh, you know, I'm going to call him because if he's doing it, I really like this is, it would be so much fun. And so we were talking on the phone.
And

we're kind of like, yeah, all right, you're going to do it. Yes, let's do it.
And we talked for like a good 15 minutes. And

then he, and he he goes, oh, yeah. And then when you do this and this, and then I'm doing this and this.

And I realized as he's saying it, I'm like, wait a minute, which part were you thinking, thinking? Which part? No,

no, no.

I was playing the director, Doug, which is, he goes, I was going to play Doug. I saw you as Griff.
I said, oh, I was imagining. I was Doug and you were Griff.
I saw you as Griff. He's like, oh, I was.

And then I was like, well, I'll just play Griff. And then

that's literally how it happened. We just like, all right, I'll just play that part.

So we made this decision, never consulting the director.

Oh, not the right

thing to do.

But

that's how it happened. And I think that we were both really excited at the idea of working together because, you know, we've talked about it for a long time.
And I'm the number one Jack Black fan.

So fucking cool. I've always thought Jason had a little Jack Black in him.
Yeah. You know, I've been a fan of Jack for a long time.
Yeah.

No, you guys are kind of, you guys are kind of cut from the same cloth, I think. You have, you have that.
I wish I had an ounce of that guy's talent. Creativity.

You do. You do too, Travis.
There's like kind of a, there's a, there's an alpha quality, but there's just like a good, there's like a good time Charlie thing built in kind of hardwired in in you guys.

And, um, but Jack is on a whole other level. Like when he's on another stratosphere.
I remember seeing him. He, his first movie was this movie called Bob Roberts.
Okay.

This is in the 90s, and I went to go see it.

It was a Tim Robbins movie. And he was just, it was his first thing.
It was like a small part, but I remember vividly, I'm like, who is that guy? Because he's so

psycho and funny. And

he just played a guy who was just really into the politician, Bob Roberts. And

God, a few weeks after I saw it, I had an audition and I went to this audition. There was like one other guy in the waiting room waiting to audition and and it was him.

And

I was like, oh, I got completely starstruck. And I'm like, hey, man,

I just saw Bob Roberts. You're the guy from Bob Roberts, right? He's like, yep.
And I said, you, you were so funny in that. Oh, my God.
And mewing. And I got it.
We're auditioning for the same part.

There's no way I'm getting close to this thing. It's going to this.
talent machine. Neither one of us got the part.
But

that was the first time that I met him. Yeah.
And that was probably, God, that was

30 years ago. Yeah.
He doesn't feel like he's changed either. He feels like he's the same guy, which is like impressive to maintain that level of energy throughout your entire career.

It's really wild. I mean, we, you know, to be with him and you're just kind of like out in public, when people see him, they freak out.
You know, it's like, it's like meeting a beetle or something.

They're just

to see Jack Black out in the wild. And everyone that kind of goes to over to him and talks to him, he gives gives them a jack black experience he's just

he just he is he's just pure goodness and energy and um yeah i i'm i i i love the guy and it seems effortless man it just it oozes out of him man it's so smooth yeah and um and i you know i'm sure it's like he's got insecurities or fears or self-conscious about what but he just

you would never know if he does he just doesn't show it he's just kind of

he really is about laughs and a good time and rocking and rocking hard because he's, if he wasn't an actor, he's a rock, he is a rock star. Laughs a good time and rocking is what this movie does.

And it also gave us one of our new terms that I had never heard.

Buffalo sober? Is that a real term? Did you guys invent that? Yeah, we're set. We live in Buffalo.

And Steve Zahn plays a guy who's maybe

had wrestled with some demons, has had some, you know,

that's a good way to put it. He's decided to really,

he's decided to really clean up his act finally. And so I asked, are you sober? And he says, yes, but he's Buffalo sober, which means just beer and wine and maybe

a few bites. The liquors.

Lighter liquors.

Not all of them. Light liquors.
I kind of want to go Buffalo sober. I'm kind of in the Buffalo sober.
This sounds great.

We were driving the director at Aeros crazy because every time time we would do that scene, he goes, oh, Buffalo Sober. And we just keep going, Buffalo Sober

in the heart of Momanica.

That's great. What would the equivalent to Kansas City sober be? What would that be?

Kansas City sober?

Just Boulevard.

Nice. Just Boulevard.

And Rieger. And Rieger.
Just Boulevard and Rieger. Just Boulevard and Rieger.
That's right. Only local brews.
Only login. You can only have Rieger when you're eating barbecue.
That's right.

There you go.

Jason, what do you got? Philly Sober. Oh, like there is such a thing.
The citywide special, I think, is a shot of Jim Beam in a PBR, a canned PBR. Delicious.

You should be able to get that anywhere in the city. You should be able to get that for like a dollar or something like that.
Maybe it was two bucks.

I don't know if that's still out there, but that was the citywide special for a long time. So if you're looking to get out of a hole in Philly, that's true.
There you go.

Or go into a hole.

Head over to Pat's. Patrogino's Angelo's.
Is there Jim's? There's a Tony is in there, too. There's a Tony Luke's, I think it's called.
Tony Luke. Yeah.

I mean, pretty much any Italian name and put cheesesteak after it. And it was probably the cheesesteak

in Philadelphia. Yeah.
We did prep some questions for Jack. Do you mind answering for him? As him? Sure.
Yeah.

All right. Okay.
What was it like to work with Paul? He sucks.

Perfect. All right.
He's a real diva. Pain in the ass.

Always checking his hair, making sure he has the most lines. I hated him.

He actually wanted to play Doug. Did he tell you that? Yeah, he tried to steal my part.

So, Jack, you went to high school with Maya Rudolph.

What was that like growing up with Maya?

It was it was

incredible.

She was all over me. And

it was a little hard. She was always funny.
I always really liked her.

I would always,

I think it was that she would always hear me singing Minnie Ripperton songs that's her mom. And because I'm such a great singer, I was always in key and I'd hit that high C.

And I don't know, it triggered something in her. And so she was just always

hanging around. It got awkward all through her 20s, but we're good now.
We're cool.

Like your parents, Judith and Thomas, were actual rocket scientists. How did they react when you told them you wanted to be an actor?

They knew that I wasn't going to really be able to do much of anything else.

They were just happy to kind of get me out of the house and focused on something. Really, all I wanted to do was play video games and listen to Led Zeppelin and ACDC in my room.

So when I said I wanted to do something,

honestly, it's like I could have said, I wanted wanted to be, you know,

a tax collector. I wanted to be a dog walker.
I want to be just saying, yeah, great. We support you.

Get out. Get out of the house.

We're rocket scientists, for God's sake. Obviously, these kinds of brains are not genetic.

That was fucking perfect. Golly.
The funniest quote from my dad when I got drafted was that,

both my kids have a job. I've done my part.

Well, that's it.

That's all there was to do. That's one.
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Holiday movies? Yeah, I mean, those go definitely better with Reese's trees. Ugly sweater parties.

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I kind of have one, I guess, for Monday Night Countdown. Like I kind of go do the production meeting, then I kind of iron out what's happening in the rundown.

Then I go to the makeup lady, then I go to the hair, and then I go on set. I was just curious to see if you were putting that same game day energy into your new broadcasting routine.
That's all.

Well, first and foremost, it includes making sure that this beard is looking real nice, which is finally starting to show some of my grays again after dying it. I'm getting those natural colors back.

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All right, now next segment, we're going to do a little Paul. Does Paul know ball, baby? Does Paul no ball? Marsh staff plays a game which wastes a lot of their time.

It's called the NFL Perry Pick'em. You'll be given teams at random and have to select one player from the team to add to a fantasy lineup.
All right. So you get points for their best fantasy season,

and the goal is to get the most points possible. Make sense? No, I wasn't paying attention, but I'll figure it out.
Yeah. Basically, you just want to pick the best fantasy lineup.
Yeah, I got you.

Gotcha. Nice.

So

you get quarterback, running back,

two wide receivers, a tight end, and two flexes. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
You could pick pick anybody from their roster.

Anybody. Okay, and then so, like, if I were.
No, no, no, no. No, you just, you just picked the team.
I don't even know how this goes. No, no, no.

A quarterback throughout history from the Buccaneers. Correct.
And so if I'm taking Tom Brady,

the Patriots' stats don't count. It has to be when he was with the Buccaneers.
I think he might have had his best season in Tampa Bay, though.

That's true.

Really?

And then it's like. That's the name of the game.
You got to fight Dozball, no ball. Really good year.

You know, Doug Williams, Doug Williams, I don't know if any of those stats were compiled for fantasy back in that day. I'll go with

you can also go running back, receiver. You can have to go quarterback.
You don't have to,

whatever.

Like, if there's a better,

oh, I got you. Oh, it's not the whole team.
Oh, I see.

I got you.

Only offensive players, though, so you can't take that great defense.

They won the Super Bowl. Yeah.

Oh, man.

I'll go. I'll go Mike Mike Evans for

all noseball. New York Football Giants.
New York Football Giants.

I'll go Giants.

Oh, there's no defense in there, is there? No, that's not apparently.

I know who Travis would go. Who, Jeremy Shocky? I love the Shocky, man.
Shocky was my guy. I knew you were going Shocky.
You might want to take a flex. Got OBJ in there.
Of course. OBJ.

I like OBJ. I'm going to go OBJ in my flex.

Odell Beckham Jr., baby.

Early in prime. Indianapolis Colts.

This is where it gets tough. I'm going to go.

I'm going to go.

Oh, man.

What to do? I mean, here's where I'm weighing.

I'm weighing between Peyton Manning and and Marvin Harrison.

Yeah.

It's tough. Peyton did set the record.
I'm going to go Peyton Manning.

I think everything. Peyton Manning.
When he was in Denver. Take the quarterback when you can get him.
You don't want to be stuck all of a sudden. Yeah.
That's where you go.

Peyton Manning. The Sheriff.

The Sheriff.

Seattle Seahawks.

I'll go Sean Alexander, running back. Ooh, great pick.

Yes, Paul knows ball. Cardinals.
I'm going to go go Larry Fitzgerald. Larry Fitzgerald.

Yes. The heart and pride of the big East.

Pittsburgh.

Denver.

Denver Broncos.

I will go Terrell Davis in that last flex spot. Ooh, T.D.
Coming down to tight end.

Wouldn't it be all too coincidental the Kansas City Chiefs showed up?

Oh, I hope so.

Right.

Because I got two great picks for that.

Oh, there we go. You can go

multiple directions to that. He's not.
How is Terrell Davis not an option? Oh, it doesn't go back to let's they got a bunch of running backs there. You could go Clinton Portis.
Portis did have

some room. Peyton Hillis.
Oh, you could go.

You could go tight end here.

Tight end here. Peyton Hillis had his big year in Cleveland.
He did. He did.
He did. Yeah.
Made the Madden coverage. Oh, God.
You got Shannon Sharp in there, too. Shannon Sharp.

You can always go Unk. Who? Unk.
Shannon Sharp. Yeah, I call him Unc.

Like my uncle. Oh, right.
Right. Of course.

I know Clinton Portis. Clinton Portis.

That's a solid. That's a solid.
Very, very good pick.

Oh,

Billy, your tight end, baby.

I mean,

I think. There's only three choices.

We got Chad Lewis.

Well, I got all these guys on the business.

Oh, man.

Ertzy. Dude, Ertzy, man.

Ertzy, baby.

That's the right statistical choice. He still has the record for all-time catches as a tight end.
This is a great team. Dude, this is a solid fan.

I don't even know what we're looking at. Is that a good score?

Yeah. Paul knows ball.
What was the score? What was the score? 2,269.9. Paul nose ball.
Paul nose ball.

You know what it is? Here's the thing. The flecks, those are the ones that probably lowered me a little bit.
Look at how much Portis and Odell got you. That's a crazy amount.
Easter,

like they were more than Mike Evans was, which is crazy.

It's crazy to even think about like that. So it's only off of their best season.
That's what it looks like. It goes off of one season.

I was thinking about when also, you know, doug martin had a really great season at running back for in the for the bucks yeah all right rest of the money martin had one for sure yeah yeah 100

he was a fucking running through i would have gone freaking uh

uh oh my gosh mike all stott that was my freaking i love the four baby bowling ball just

might not might not add the fantasy points but he's not going to give me many points in the game but yeah it'll be good what are these for intimidation

well paul does indeed know ball he does

Well done, baby. Thanks, guys.
And now we get into our last segment. But before we get you out of here, it's called We Gotta Ask, brother.
And it's questions that we feel like we have to ask you.

And you can just either answer them or tell us the fuck off. All right.
As a brother and a Chiefs fan, I love you. I'm sorry, but how are you feeling as a Chiefs fan right now?

Ah, I'm thinking about you, brother.

I know you shot me the text. I appreciate you, man.
I am so happy to be a Chiefs fan. The joy and the memories and everything that the Chiefs have given me with my family, with my kid.

It's been an embarrassment of riches. And it's just right now.
And it's like, this, you know what? This wasn't the year, but that's okay. I know it's tough.

I'm excited for whoever does it, for their fan base, that they get to share the same kind of things that I got to share with my son

for all three of those victories.

And even the losses, you know,

it's the best. So

thinking about Patrick. I'm wishing him a speedy recovery and everything for the club.
But I'm okay. And I'm excited.
You know what?

I'm excited for some of the players to get maybe a little bit of a summer vacation. I mean, my God,

it's like you've played an extra season of football compared to everyone else. And so I'm like, oh, good.
You get a break and some. a chance to kind of rest up.
And so, yeah, I'm not too

upset. I appreciate you having having that positive mindset.
The

Chiefs Kingdom, baby, we love you, and we're always working our tail off for you. Obviously, this year, man, all those close

one-point or one-score games and stuff like that just didn't end our way, man. But we're still rocking and rolling, man.

I mean, it's a great team. And, you know, you guys, it's, look, it's...

It's tough. It's a tough thing to sustain.
And sometimes something goes your way. Sometimes you score a touchdown and they call a phantom face mask.
Crazy. Crazy.

There's lots of things that happen, and it happens to every team, not just, you know, but

it's a game of inches. It's all right.
You know? We still got three coming, though, that we're going to have some fun and make sure that we represent everybody that

shows up every week like you do. And yeah,

we're going to finish this thing off the right way with some integrity, baby. You're the best.
One of your first jobs was as a bar mitzvah DJ. Yeah.
What was on the playlist?

Great question. I mean, you got shout from Animal House, classic.

Absolutely.

And then

there was also,

here we come now, singing Monet, Monet. And then all the kids, there was this moment

that they'd say, get late, get fucked.

All the parents go,

what?

What did I do here?

There was also,

can't touch this.

Oh, classic. And then you got to sprinkle it on top, round it out with a little, I'm too sexy for my shirt.

Well, right set, Fred. What a bummit, man.
That is a heck of a playlist right there. That would get me going.

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Oh, God.

Get late. Get fucked.
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Dude, you're in the upcoming Avenger Doomsday. Yeah.
Which is fucking badass, man. We don't want to get you to tell you everything.

I was going to say we don't want to to get you to tell it, but basically, can you tell us the plot?

I mean, honestly, I'm not really sure what it is.

Perfect.

All righty. Welcome to Hollywood, baby.
We're all just making it up as we go.

Is it true your character, an anchorman, named one of his testicles after the real-life owner of Char Bar in Kansas City? That's absolutely right. No

way.

Way to keep it home.

So, my

left testicle, not my right one.

My left one is named James Westfall, who also happened to be my roommate in college. And once

he also my roommate, yeah. And so, my goal was that

I would say, you know, name check him, and then he would just go see the movie and say, What? Oh,

just

kind of what happened. The best now is like, yeah, he owns Char Bar as well as, you know, beer kitchen layer, a few restaurants in Kansas City.
Awesome ones, right there in Westport, man.

They're awesome restaurants. Awesome restaurants.
And by the way, the burn-ends at Char Bar.

Even though I like the wings, too. Great, great.
Yeah. You're getting the whole wing.
And so it's fun when he still, you know, has to do business with people. And then he introduces his name.

He's like, I'm James Westfall. And he says sometimes there's like a just a pause.
And then some

have you ever seen Anchorman?

And then he gets to say, I have, and I'm the actual ball.

That's so fucking good. That's the most fun part of doing this is embarrassing your friends.
by naming your nuts

that's why we do it true friendship, right there. Absolutely classic.
You own a candy store called Samuel's Sweet Shop.

Give us your Mount Rushmore candy from that store. Ooh, that's a great question.
So

my favorite candy is a seasonal candy that we have, although they've kind of laid back in the last couple of years and haven't made them, but it's a sour Santa.

Sour, sour Santa. It's a sour Santa.
It's like a cherry, sour candy.

But it's like the perfect, it's a gummy candy, but it's like the perfect consistency. Gummy candy can be, you know, there's a wide range of like, you know, it's the right firmness and all that.

And it's got

the great

cherry taste, but with not, with a nice aftertaste. That was my favorite.
So I go with the, I go with the sour Santa's.

We do a thing called Cloud Hoppers, which is like a peanut butter chocolate pretzel mix Uh, that we put in these bags, and that's great.

Those are my two favorites, but we also do these like liquid, licorice uh, laces, and we'll do sour laces.

And um,

we do a grape one that's really nice, and then uh, yeah, I'd say the laces are

I put those three. That's my that's my that's my rush more.
So, are you more of a sour guy or a sweet guy? You're smelling a lot of sour. I like

follow everything.

You're a sun guy.

I have like the tastes of a nine-year-old.

I like

little kid candy and I love chocolate.

And yeah,

I like it all. Were you a big Warhead fan growing up? I like Warheads.
I like those. Yeah, when it's really, really sour and put them on your tongue, see how long you can stand it.

Make your eyes water. Challenge.
Yeah. All natural ingredients in Warhead.
People don't know that.

Just a little bit of plutonium. Hot tamales, Myconikes, sprees.
I liked all that garbage. Bottle tops.
That's an old school tone. I like that.
Good.

Do you have a welcome to Hollywood moment, Paul? Yeah,

I have a few. I don't know.
Something that made you be like, you know what? I'm here.

I'm in Hollywood. The very first week I got to

California. I live in New York now, but I went to an acting school.
I went from KU to this acting school. And the first week I was there,

I went, I was at like some restaurant and I saw an actor named Courtney Gaines, who was the red-headed guy in Children of the Corn. Children from the corn.
Wow.

And he was also in hard bodies. And his big scene in hard bodies was he could flip you off in 41 different languages.
I don't know if I remember that.

And I'm like,

damn,

that's Courtney Gaines over there. So it was like, I knew I wasn't in Kansas anymore.
There you go, Dorothy. There it is.

And then

I got an audition, one of my very first, very first auditions to play kind of like this tough dude.

And I hadn't really been on an audition before, but I heard this story that when Danny DeVito

auditioned for the role of Louis De Palma in taxi, that he went into the room with all the people and said, who wrote this? And it was garbage. He threw it down.
He jumped on the table.

He didn't really audition. He just was the guy and he was hilarious.
And they all laughed. And I remember hearing that going, That's how you get, that's how you get a job.

You don't do what you want you to do. You do what you do.
And so

I went to this casting director's office, and it's just me and this woman, nice woman behind her desk. And I'm like, and she goes, Hello.
I go, Yeah.

I felt so uncomfortable. I'm trying to be tough.

And she said, So, did you get the pages? Uh-huh.

And you've been working on it? Yeah. Yeah.

She's like, okay.

Well, stop it, whatever you want. And I had a cigarette.
I didn't light it. I didn't smoke either, but I had it as like a prop.
And then in the scene of work, and then I threw it on the ground.

I stubbed it out into her carpet.

And it was over. She said, okay, thank you.
And I left it.

And I left and I was driving back. And I thought,

I'm not going to get that job.

And I had

an agent. It's like my first agent.
And I got back and she called me and she just said, what happened?

And I told her. And she just said, well, I guess you've got to learn.

And that was kind of like a welcome to Hollywood. This is not how you do it.
That is incredible.

I was driving back, just picturing her or her assistant. She's like pulling tobacco out of the carpet.
She's like, what the fuck just happened? This guy just came in here and threw a cigarette.

He didn't read a single line.

Oh, man. My face fucking hurts.
God damn it. That was gold.
That was awesome. Tell the family we said Merry Christmas and,

you know, we'll keep the good fight going with the Chiefs. But thank you for coming on.
And everybody, make sure you check out Anaconda. I appreciate it.
I see theaters this Christmas.

Thank Thank you for having me back. I love you guys.
Happy holidays. Merry Christmas to the families.

Yeah. Have a great rest of the season.
And always, as always, I just want to say, you know, you guys support Children's Mercy Hospital and Big Slick, the event that we do in Kansas City.

You always have. And

you know how much

Philadelphia and Kansas City love you guys, but they don't love you just for the players you are. They love you for the guys you are.
You're the best. I love you so much.

Thanks again for having me on your show. love you man complete honor thank you brother love you too see you guys

that wraps up another episode of new heights thank you to paul red for joining us reminder if you haven't checked out the latest episode of new heights film club that dropped last friday where we review home alone with the one and only kylie kelsey it is available and out now so go check it out we've also got a full holiday spectacular with kylie kelsey dropping this wednesday on christmas eve don't miss that make sure you subscribe to the new heights channel on YouTube and follow New Heights and the Wondery Apple or wherever you're podcasts.

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it's really only their best season and it's all like it's their best season ever with that team and for with fantasy touchdowns count for more

yes Yeah. Typically? Yeah.
I mean,

it all definitely counts.

All right, Jason, give it a whirl. Give it a whirl.
Give it a whirl. I'll hit restart for you.

Jaguars?

There's only one. There's only one.

And you got to take them.

Blake Bortles.

Blake Bortles.

Gosh dang.

I mean, I feel like you got to take Fred Taylor, right? Like, I don't know who else.

I mean, you can.

Maurice Jones, Drew, trying to think of who else with the Jaguars

Fournette, ETN, Bigsby,

QBs. You got Bortles, Burnell, Gerrard, Lawrence.

I'm not taking any of the QBs.

Okay.

Go to receivers.

You also can skip one team. You can skip a team? I'm skipping.
Yeah, the Jaguars. Let's go.
Okay, skip a team. That wasn't very smart.
Maurice Jones drew MJD. Nuts as a flex.
Chargers.

LT.

Does that count? Even though it's

a running back? No, it 100% counts. All right.
I'll go. LT.

I don't know that it matters. LT is one of the best picks.
LT is the greatest pick you could have ever had.

Dolphins, can I go, Dan Marino, or is that pre? It's too old. Too old.
All right.

I don't know how you're even still thinking about this. How I'm thinking about it? Jason doesn't know Ball.
I don't know, Ball.

I mean, is it

all right? Let me see. Keep going.

Yeah. What are you waiting on? Larry Zonka to show up?

Well, I'm trying to, I mean,

I feel like Ricky's better years were in New Orleans.

You're in the wrong. I mean, if I'm going to receiver, I feel like

Tyreek had an incredible year. I don't know.

Yes.

All right, fine. Two kills.
And absolutely. He had 2,000 yards, i think yeah but i mean does he have a lot of touchdowns it's all about touchdowns good pick 376 it's he norva yeah

all right buffalo bills there's one here

this is you probably should i mean do i go to the quarterback right away

you know josh nice i've josh has got a bunch of rushing and throwing touchdowns

you're right

you said it best you said it best take the take the q because it's either it's either josh or you wait for like lamar or jalen even jalen with how many rushing touchdowns he has from the tush push and everything like that.

Or like a Cam Newton.

Okay, Cam. But

Buffalo.

Do you want to see your options at flex here? Yeah, let me see. I like the, that's kind of a cheat that you can see the names, I feel like.
But I'm definitely going to look at these, yeah.

Stephon Diggs.

He had a great year with him. A couple years.

Ooh, should I go LaShawn?

I'll go to Josh Allen just because I don't want to get stuck with a a bad quarterback. And I feel like it's easier to fill out the Josh is a good one.
That's a good one. 400.
Jets.

Oh, boy.

Man.

Yeah.

No, there's what there's, we know the answer. I'm going to go with Curtis Martin in the flex.

Well, I don't know who else

really would be.

All right.

Rams. Rams.

There's a good one. Tori, I mean, I feel like it's got to be Tori Holt.

Is it Tori or Herland? Isaac Bruce, Tori were the two in the greatest show on Turf.

Oh, wow. Wow.

Torre Holtman.

Are you at Tory Holt? Sorry.

You're begging me with the money.

There's one that should jump up. Oh, Marshall Falk.
Marshall Falk.

Bucks. Dude, he's Bucks.

Bucs.

Wide receiver or tight end.

Fuck.

The receivers. Let me see these tight ends.

Big Bob Brunk. I mean, yeah, Rob,

he didn't have great years there. Kellen Winslow?

I just don't know.

what's an easier one to find this next team.

Tight end is always the tough one to leave for the last, if I'm being honest.

Yeah, but I feel like it scores the least amount of points no matter what.

Because, yeah, there's only there's like

yeah, it's like Tony Gonzalez, Travis Kelsey, Rob Gonkowski at the page. Like it's a very finite amount of teams that are going to get you points.

I will go

down again.

Listen, these guys.

I mean, it's got to be... I'll go Mike Evans.

Not bad. Yeah.
Bangles.

Fuck my life.

Not good.

Eifert.

You beat Paul. New high score.
There you go. New high score.
New high score.

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