#139: Can Drinking Pee Heal You? // Jonathan Otto on Alternative Medicine // Next Level Pros Podcast

Yeah, that's, uh, that's urine, but you know, anyway, I'm not going to make you smell it, but okay, so this urine, how do you do it? Well, I'm not- Do I need to drink a tablespoon, all of my urine, like, when should I drink it? Like, I mean, what- First thing, there's no rules to urine therapy. Okay.
Yeah. Just, all right.
Yeah, exactly. Because there's no rules, there's no protocols, but what did the cultures do that came before us? They'd drink their first morning urine and someone's going, oh, that's when it's like really like yellow.
And this is okay.

So that's real.

Like I'm at an event. there's no protocols but what did the cultures do that came before us they'd they'd drink their first morning urine and someone's going oh that's when it's like really like yellow and this is

okay so that that's real like i'm at an event i'm traveling running from one place to other i was up till like 2 a.m last night and got up at 7 that's not enough sleep don't take that as a vice that that's a one-off though but anyway so yeah so then you just do this Today in the studio, we have Jonathan Otto. Super excited to have him on.
This guy is insane. He's going to go over some controversial stuff today.
He's an investigative health journalist in the space. He's got a connection with RFK Jr.
As you guys know, he was recently confirmed as the, what was the title? Oh yeah. Secretary of the Human Health Services.
Dude, Secretary of the Human Health Service here in the United States. Everybody was talking about it on X and social media, like whether he was going to make it or not.
And so Jonathan actually is part of his media team, media group and pushing and promoting and just has some really cool ties. As you guys know, I am a fanatic about health and figuring out ways to take care of our bodies in a more natural manner.
And so I just met Jonathan and we're both at an event. You can probably see the blue wristbands that we have on here.
We're attending an event. We each other and like immediate connection just good energy good vibes and you know the thing about me like i love people that i like immediately have a good vibe and energy connection with and so welcome to show man excited thank you chris no i felt the same way man i felt like wow it there's few people that I have that immediate trust with that I felt really safe around.
And so you have that. And that's super unique about you.
So I appreciate you, man. Here's the crazy thing.
So today, maybe you're going to look back and take a look at my social media. Jonathan, yesterday, we started talking.
Was it yesterday that we met? Yeah. Oh, man.
It was a long day. i was like i was saying 24 48 hours last night because i couldn't remember i could it felt like more like two or three days yeah we spent a lot of time together and just like he started sharing with me these different health studies and to the point where he inspired me to drink my own urine this morning and uh never done in my life but today was the.
And if you go and you take a look at my Instagram, you're going to see me. And I think we're going to drop a video here on YouTube where you're going to be able to see me drinking that.
All right. So yesterday, my boy Jonathan said, he was telling me all the science behind drinking your own urine or whatnot.
And he's like, dude, you got to do it. I'm like, all right, I'm in.
He's like, no, you're not. I'm like, dude, I'm, I'm in.
And so today we're going to be interviewing him on the show, but dude, I had to like, so as you just saw Pete in this thing, look at like, that's, that's legit me. Okay.
So here we're going to do, we're going to just do a hardcore. Here we go.
Never done it. Never done it before in my life.
But here we go. Ready? Oh, gosh.

Dude.

All right.

Never done it.

All right.

Here we go.

Zen breath work. All right.

Three, two, one.

A little lemony. Not as bad as you think.
Not as bad as you think. Let's go baby.
We're doing it. Let's go for the health benefits.
You're probably like, what Chris? Why on earth would you drink your own urine? And Jonathan, what do you say to those people? Firstly, I'd say that you're ballsy because it took me months from the point where I understood it to the point that I did it. All in, baby.
And to your credit, even though some people say, yeah, well, that makes you crazy and reckless and uneducated. But look, look guys what if the script is wrong and hear me out on this and i'll let you decide but uh that may be what makes chris successful just saying i 100 agree yeah one one thing i always tell my clients or whatnot like look if you're waffling in decision making that's what's holding you back.
I say the most successful people in the world, when they understand one plus one equals two, they act on it. And so for me, it was one plus one equals two.
Jonathan's sharing me with the studies and like, like all these benefits and whatnot. I'm just like, what do I got to lose? Yeah.
Let's go. You got it.
You got it. So, Hey guys, it's Chris.
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Now let's dive back in the show. So to answer your question, I think the biggest thing that hooked you, because you have to think about what would make something so convincing that I'm arguing the biggest lie that was ever told was this lie about what urine is that I honestly think is that one of the biggest lies you're talking about lies and people talking about big farm and all the lies are being told I'm saying this is the lie of all lies and and let and hear me out on this before you just just say that I'm yeah I'm just too far off the edge and I've got a tinfoil hat.
Tinfoil looks good on some people. Exactly.
It does have some EMF blocking properties, but let's not put them on now. It's like people talk about snake oil salesmen.
Snake oil has some benefits. It was just that they were packaging it like they were using petroleum instead of the snake oil.
And were they were the fake snake oil salesman but the actual snake oil had some benefits not my thing i don't you know go deep down that rabbit hole but anyway so the the skin um sorry coming back to the the the biology aspect of what may have caused such a big unwinding of arguably what i'm saying a lifetime of indoctrination that is bad, why did that just potentially unravel in a period of a few hours for you? And I think that the biggest premise that I watched you resonate with was babies in the womb. So babies in the womb, once you understand that, if you catch a medical name, and this is what happens with diseases as well, they're medical names, like if you say something like uh uh arthritis it translates basically sore finger but now it's couched under a word that makes you think of it in a kind of more mystical term that makes you not think about maybe what caused that and now you're just getting a medication because it's something you don't know so the latin words confuse it but same with like with urine if you call it amyonic fluid which is which is where all the stem cells are coming from uh you know cultured urine from the baby which once you even can visibly see this on an ultrasound where a baby will urinate and then drink its urine right away and it's it's cycling every day it's urinating every one to three hours drinking hundreds of milliliters milliliters of its own urine constantly.
And then now it comes out of the womb and suddenly urine is toxic and bad and wash it off your hands. And then that's the association you've had your whole life of just like, this is disgusting.
I can't believe this got on my hand. And then you got told that and everyone got told that and you believe a lie and it gets, you know, Mark Twain said, it's easier to fool people than to convince people that they've been fooled now the comment's going to blow up i'm the idiot even though we're basically the first established society that doesn't believe that urine is healing and a medicine and the the holy grail when it comes to anti-aging it was understood as this which is why the fountain of youth sculpture is a little boy

peeing and so it was understood always as the metabolic distillation of the blood uh how your blood is purified and it was a uh the the fountain of youth and that was part of it and and and then but then it's all couched in these medical uh terms and put in products for example medical products using urine derivatives and synthetic forms like urea, which is practically the only clinically proven skin moisturizer because it puts water back in the skin. Why? Because it's your filtered blood.
Medical name for urine is plasma ultrafiltrate, plasma blood ultrafiltred. And because of that, it absorbs right back into your skin.
And if you can moisturize the skin truly then you you have a youthful glow and appearance you reverse aging you look younger so those were some of the things that we started on and and it so happens that there are stem cells in urine which were only discovered in 2008 and now you have to revisit everything that happens in the wound because if i if you watched a video on YouTube put in like a heart getting grown outside of a body on a scaffold and you could watch actually a heart getting grown on a scaffold outside of a body why would how is that possible and it's stem cells attaching to the information of a the genetic blueprint of a heart and it's attaching and it's forming into the heart but then now if you've got a fetus that has the genetic

blueprint of what that's supposed to become and you have stem cells constantly and by the way, there was a lot even in a 24 hour urine sample, even of adult males, there's 100 million after three weeks. Hey guys, it's Chris.
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So let me cut you off right there because look, you're spitting a lot of really cool things, right? And like everyone's interest kind of peaked, but then all of a a sudden it's like wait no no there's no way this is true and like so what are the actual studies i mean i mean who's who's to say you're not just this snake oil salesman right that just come up with all these different stats right like it's it's easy what is it they say like 86 of all statistics are made up even including that one and so so like what are the studies behind these things that are like you said like in 2008 it was it was found out that there's stem cells in in our urine like so what where was where those studies found yeah so that was an example that was the wake forest university well the the the, so that was an example. That was the Wake Forest University.
Well, the evolution of that. So an example of this was in 2022, the Wake Forest University took an NIH grant and funded a pretty large urine-derived stem cell study.
And so then they took a 24-hour period, collected urine from 10 healthy adults, which doesn't necessarily mean anything other than they did they didn't have some you know, 20, they took a 24 hour period, collected urine from 10 healthy adults, which doesn't necessarily mean anything other than they did. They didn't have some, you know, chronic diagnosis disease that they may have been eating McDonald's every day for all I know.
Like, I mean, they didn't ask you what your diet was. They just said, you know, you don't have a disease.
They found 140 stem cells in a 24 hour urine sample. They, they then aged it, cultured it, like, which was basic.
It was in an airtight flask. Theyask they had it they had a culture medium i'm arguing that urine itself is a culture medium because of all the constituents that are needed to feed stem cells hence why the baby in the womb doesn't need anything injected in there for those stem cells to be viable they're just actively feeding off the substances that are in urine they found 100 million at the end of the three weeks wow and specifically it

proliferated at a rate of one times 10 to the power of eight in a three-week period so 140 to 100 million people are spending twenty thousand dollars on 100 million stem cells if you're lucky and which means that's about you know 7.3 million dollars per year what you're what you're telling, if I drink my own pee, I'll save myself $20,000 and going and getting stem cell treatment. Per day.
Yeah. Per day.
Per day. I'm saving 20 grand a day.
Yeah. Jeez, dude.
What is that? That's like $70 million a year. Yeah.
Seven, seven. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
But you're right. Like you had to write a seven.
Wow seven wow all right so you heard up here first save seven million dollars a year on stem cells by drinking your own yeah exactly i love it but but like let's get a little nerdier on this number so we can make sure because you know a good business man is going to make sure we're quantifying are these stem cells active are they viable 75 were viable if you're 20 to 40 which means they were telomerase positive which means that they are active stem cells like uh their mesenchymal stem cell from amniotic fluid so where'd you learn all this reading reading so like are you a medical practitioner doctor no no but i'm i i do a degree in, in a double major in journalism and media production and postgraduate. But like, why this? Like what, what got you on to like, man, urine could be the solution and what made you go so deep? Suffering, suffering.
So tell us more. Yeah.
So when I, first thing I can remember was I was about seven years old and my, uh, I was just bawling my eyes out and explaining my mom what I'd seen on TV. And it was a world vision commercial.
I ended up working for them by the time of like, I was eight, age 17 and became an ambassador and, and so forth. But that feeling of these children are so emaciated and look at their, look at, they, they, they look like skeletons.
And there was a voice that was a voiceover,

which I started then writing, you know,

scripts and stories like that for fundraising for later in my life,

which is crazy how it comes full circle. But it says,

this child doesn't have to suffer like this. You can help this child.
And I,

and I believed it. I believed that I could do something about it.

And so then I said to my mom, we have to sponsor a child. and then she was smart enough to do exactly what you would do as a parent and say well you need to learn how to make money so i delivered newspapers and we sponsored two children for the next you know 15 years um and so that was a catalyst but so now how did that come full circle into the the health arena yeah i i got a degree in journalism so that i could cover international issues related to suffering and poverty because i didn't really think that there was anything you could do about something like let's say cancer or autoimmune disease and the diagnosed conditions i thought it was just you know that's what it is but as i and and i worked in you know various arenas like you know fighting human trafficking or human poverty and development and you know helping people live better lives and get out of suffering and starvation all these things i was still doing thank you still doing uh charity work um uh in in kenya um for the past 13 years but it's the same thing like that makes you think of like how how do you solve this problem? Same like a business person, how do you solve this problem? Then you go into then realizing that what if the reason why people suffer with chronic health conditions is because of lies and that, that the pursuit of knowledge and truth and information and the circulation of that information is actually what saves lives.
And so it doesn't matter what, how many letters you got behind your name. If you're not open-minded to truth, then you are useless.
And that's why so many of the people that come to me are not only doctors and medical doctors to ask for help for their own health, but actually holistic doctors as well, because they're like, they don't say it like this, but it's basically like, you're a very open-minded person. You've researched so much that I haven't spent the time researching.
And so now can you help me with these conditions? You know, it's interesting like you're a very open-minded person you've researched so much that i haven't spent the time researching and so now can you help me with these conditions you know it's interesting you talk about being open-minded like uh there's been a huge shift in our society right like so many of us grew up just kind of like in this like indoctrination circle of like this is how things are this is what the told me to believe. This is the, you know, pharmaceuticals that I need to take and everything else.
And obviously there was an event that took place five years ago that I really think that began to open people's minds of like, what's actually happening. And like, what are we, and started questioning what we're being told, right? Just because blatant lies after like guidance and crazy, like things that we had to do to comply were just so far out there, right? The requests that were being made and, and you just saw this, I would say like a second great awakening of like people to all of a sudden being more open to these type of conversations of like well maybe what i've been told or what i read in the history books or whatever else and so i've actually gone down a pretty deep rabbit hole like i've always been really open to like different theories if you will um but but like just over the last few years i've been like even open to like, what if history isn't the way that we know it, right? Like, and like how simple it would be to impact and change our history, right? Like one to two generations, you can completely shift mindset, learning, education, like even what history was and what, you know, all, all these different things and and because it's like how do we know history well we were taught in school or we watched it on the news or you know some television program or some hollywood uh type thing and so like like that for me has been like probably like the biggest thing where i'm just like man i anything.
Like, like you, you want to share with me that you think is like so far out there. I'm like, dude, well, how can this, how could this be true? Right.
Like, like I, I, I'm more. And so like, it's funny.
I've never talked about this on a, on a podcast, but I now refer to myself as a round earth agnostic. But I, that, by the way.
We haven't even talked about that. And it's not because I'm a flat earther.
I'm not a flat earther. It's good not to choose.
I have no idea that the world is really round. I haven't seen it.
I haven't seen it from space. I have no reason to believe that it's one way or the other and so like i'm open and and for me where i've found truth is like that like i cannot even trust men i can only trust like god right like receiving revelation i'm a big believer that like the just the only source of truth can be like taught to our hearts and you just be open to all different types of things and then like certain things you're confirmed over time and some things you'll just never quite understand or know yeah and so and i've and i've kind of got to that thing i'm just like man there's there's just some fun arguments on all kinds of like theories out there whatnot so like i'm like shoot them at me you know let's let's let's test them let's let's see let's see where we're at and you know go from there it's such a good way to live no and i love that you're just teaching that principle because that you know don't choose the side side don't judge chris because he hasn't made up his mind on that just let him let him work through that it's it's actually what makes him successful the ability to question something like what if he lands back at your round earth or what if he lands at flat earth like what does it matter to you let him let him question it matter yeah like yeah even pick it aside doesn't matter like i love hearing the arguments of both sides yeah exactly and and and that and that's the cool thing of like anyone watching this is at least open that far but yeah we're gonna get trolled here and so like look at the comments guys we're we're getting trolled because, but it's okay.
Like, I'm okay with it.

Thank you.

You're driving interest to our conversation.

And I can tell you why I'm doing this.

You know, I have a supplement company, a red light therapy company.

I've told people even with all my supplements that urine therapy will outperform everything

I've ever made in combination in terms of, I mean, think about it, a stem cell versus the supplement. supplement supplements will do a lot of great things like anti-parasitics and all this but um you know and I could reach with with all the things I'm doing I could reach thousands millions even with my products potentially how many people you think you could reach with urine therapy if I'm right about it right billions of people's lives could be saved you think that's worth me being humiliated and people blowing up the comments go for it have at it like i'm so down for this like you you've got nothing on me like i'm so ready for this this is this is what i live for so i so you know you talk about the stem cells but the other thing that like really stuck out to me in our conversation was like talking about the antibodies and how like literally our urine is a custom to what we're experiencing right now yeah right like the the fact that like whatever our body is fighting it's producing antibodies and it's being urinated out right and that in the high concentration and so like that that was like man that for me that made a lot of sense and and like can you like go into a little more depth of like when like maybe someone gets a snake bite or like you know these type of things and like why you would use urine in those situations exactly that's great because the one thing that almost most of the audience is going to agree with that if they got a jellyfish sting what would you do be on it yeah it's the only thing that medical has recommended and but then you'll see that get fact checked some other things are safe and effective but that's not safe and effective anymore it's you know don't do that whatever you whatever you do so uh anyway so you know why do people know about it's classified as folk medicine but um you know why would it even be considered well how's an anti-venom created well you take a species let's say the tarantula and then you take its venom and then you inject a large mammal over a period of time so it doesn't immediately kill it and then as the blood is in the body and the immune system all the process is working together then defend and fight against that venom.
Then they'll extract the blood and then filter that. And then that becomes the serum.
And they're gonna inject you with that. So these are how they derive these type of medications.
Correct, the anti-venoms, yeah. Which are frequently lethal and kill people all the time.
And so there are doctors that are looking at children specifically that have been envenomated and say, I'm not going to give this unless I'm sure that this child is going to die. That's how, that's how lethal they are.
Why? Because the filtration system isn't perfect. What filtration system is perfect? The kidneys.
You can't beat God. And I didn't care what you tell me.
Like if you had a skyscraper's biggest, you know, the tallest in New York and the whole thing was filled with like a filtration system you put something in the top and then went out the bottom it would not even compare to the kidneys and what they can do and here's here's an example of that your urine will work exactly like that anti-venom but your blood is then filtered through the kidneys like i mentioned plasma ultra filtrate ultra filtered blood uh it's pressed through your blood is pressed through these tiny tubes tubes called nephrons and that squeezing process and everything else that's going on is cause cause causing a purification which is why it's clearer as well it's more sterile in the blood there's no there's no debate on that it's uh it's sterile like um and and and then what happens now with this substance it works as an anti-venom and so and and people are not only putting it on themselves but if they're envenomated, lots of, these are anecdotal cases, but very important, surviving snake bites, black mamba snake bites with drinking their urine. Snake chalmers will have a bottle of urine next to them.
And these are things that people know, but if you're a bit in the wild now that you've heard this, hopefully you would consider that, yeah, am I giving medical advice? No, but- If're if you're dying please consider and i watched this before my eyes and i bet my you know kind of bet this person's life on it but there weren't any other options anyway where i was out in africa i was in kenya last year and this girl 14 year old was bitten by a large scorpion frequently lethal she was looking super bad and she was not able to stand and she drank her urine um and uh we did a couple other things that like that they were helpful as well but she was up walking like within a few hours as if nothing happened to i'm not yeah not claiming that will happen for everyone is anecdotal got to give those disclaimers but these things these things happen so and and this is where like when you look at the womb or what's happening people think that babies and this was believed that babies don't get toxins in the womb they're protected but the environmental working group did a study on this to find out okay let's just test 400 of the hundreds of thousands of chemicals that are in existence let's test 400 of them how many they find 287 of those how many were proven to cause birth defects brain deformations and cancer 180 plus wow it's like a venom it's poison toxicology it's you know this this is about the study of poisons and venoms and and so when anyway so when you get a poison then in your body and you think about what's happening to this baby it's coming through the umbilical cord how does it survive the womb it's growing and yet it's getting given all these toxins and and then why is it drinking its urine constantly oh well that's because it's signaling metabolites what what the body does is it gives you those antibodies just as you understand it then it drinks it it's signaling the removal of those poisons and uh and that's what we've seen documented when we you know do the advanced lab work when people take their urine before they'll see some markers they're saying i've got mercury and lead but then they do urine therapy it drops their markers uh like they're doing chelation therapy so when you talk about drinking your urine like what is like if someone's like all right jonathan this sounds you know semi i might I'd be on board. What's the first step to become a urine drinker?

Oh, yeah. Well, you are the one that knows that better than anyone else.
But, you know, when my buddy Sean Kelly did this, this is like we're traveling. So I've got like a plastic bottle, right? So better to do glass, whatever.
But so this is your urine. Yeah.
And people will say apple juice. Someone said comments so they yeah people like no it's not real exactly i remember i was doing a demonstration in kenya where i like said because they didn't believe me as well even out there and i was saying like this is how we can get through the famine because it's real famine and then they smell it and then like they look with this look of disgust and then everyone then believes it even though someone was sacrificed uh you know according to their perception but yeah that's uh that's urine but you know anyway i'm not gonna make you smell it but okay so this urine how do you do it well um one is like i'm not i need to drink a tablespoon all of my urine like when should i drink it like i mean what yeah first thing there's no rules to urine therapy okay yeah just all right yeah exactly because there's no rules there's no protocols but what you know what did the cultures do that came before us they'd they'd drink their first morning urine and someone's going oh that's when it's like really like yellow and this is i'm not as hydrated as i should be right now right so then it's okay so that that's real like that's real.
Like I'm at an event, I'm traveling, running from one place to another. I was up till like 2am last night and got up at seven.
That's not enough sleep. Don't take that as advice.
That's a one-off though. But anyway, so this, yeah.
So then you just do this. And just sip it.
You could sit or you could chug. I normally chug it cause it's in the morning morning dude is that not leaving like the the nasty smell on your hips or anything like that it's look it tastes better than beer i don't drink beer but i have tasted beer and uh it tastes bad and it's it's very much a social thing but like if you if you put that on ice and that's the thing like if you you're gonna put that you put that on ice yeah do you ever just like so you just like sipping it i just no no i i do just chug it because i'm hardcore but not everyone that's watching in your hardcore but not everyone that's watching the hardcore so you don't have to be hardcore you could just ah we we play full baby let's go yeah well you could you could put like electrolyte mix stuff you could make it cold so when you're drinking it like i mean are you throwing do people put this on ice they add flavor to it like yeah exactly yes you could do all that and like like firstly if i said blenders taste bad what would you tell me splender blenders like a blender where you blend up something oh yeah right it's not true right blenders don't taste bad but like if blenders taste bad what does that mean right somebody's not putting the right things in it right for sure same you can put the right things in you can flavor it up you could add it you add to a shake yeah exactly but but that so what you're saying is true but what i'm meaning is that whatever you put in your body is what you're tasting yeah so if you didn't put anything in your body in your fasting it would taste like water and if i did a switcheroo in the cups um and maybe one had like a pinch of salt in it like you wouldn't be able to tell which one i've heard when diabetics have high blood sugar that their pee is sweet is that yeah well that's what diabetes means sweet urine that's the that's what the word interesting interesting yeah see i've see i've only had one experience with taste my you know i'm diabetic so and my blood sugar was fine at the time so it wasn't sweet when i yeah interesting interesting yeah so there's one of my colleagues it was dr tony jimenez but he did a study on type 2 diabetes with urine therapy and he found it amazing for

helping to you know reverse type 2 diabetes incredible yeah um incredible so so let's go back so drink first uh urine of the day drink the whole thing is recommended okay sure and like like what if you want to just you're like hey I'm all in right like Jonathan I'm all in should I be drinking every pee of every day.

Yeah.

You should.

Okay.

I'll give you like i'm saying i'm saying all in what's yeah exactly i'll give you two extremes like uh uh five drops in a dropper there's a stream like one yeah in in water diluted or homeopathic form where you put it in a bottle throw the water out throw the urine out and then put water in and then throw that out and then put throw the water in throw that out and then that's like a homeopathic form in that it's got the information there because it's there's a trace trace amount of it um but yeah it's kind of wussy but anyway but but homeopath square by it still the homeopathic form of urine but um okay now let's go the other side of that like and then then middle ground three ounces to five ounces oh no we don't do middle ground yeah exactly so what's but that's still amazing okay now now like i'm going on sean kelly's podcast uh again to get another beat down like i did last time with being accused of being r kelly and anyway so uh theresa lolly uh who just ran this biohack yourself event with the big hitters like uh uh gary brekker and uh dave asprey and all the guys and so she's hosting the event and her mom said and she i'm telling her what i'm about to talk on and she says it's crazy my mom thinks that like what i do with like biohacking is like a fad because of what happened when when i was a child when when she had ovarian cancer and she fasted for 20 days and just drank her own urine for 20 days and fasted the whole time and she became cancer free. And so you just keep hearing these stories.
If you if you scratch enough and especially for cultures that are more attached to it, they'll tell you these stories. And then you'd say, oh, yeah, that's a story.
What? Yeah. And again, you asked about the moderation.
So that's the extreme. But then like the other middle ground is like, you know, a cup, a full cup of your first morning urine.
And people will start feeling a ton of things. So are we are we just talking about drinking? I've heard there's like benefits for your skin, hair.
Like what else are we doing? We bathing in this stuff? Yeah. Yeah.
Well, for starters, there were some societies where it was illegal to collect your own infant newborn babies urine and public servants would be waiting at the door to collect those those pampers those diapers and wring them out to for the royalty to bathe in what it's a real thing well it's exactly what we're doing right now with the stem cells like when the women are pregnant and then now that's the only urine that's fine because it's the amniotic fluid and we do you were using a different name for it and well even those guys in the know people that got money they're like yeah put the money down on it but it's the same thing like it's only available to the ultra wealthy instead of like to everyone um regenerative therapies you think god might have been like a fair god that maybe let everyone play but just it was depending on how open your mind was that's how you can access these amazing things that god has made but your your mind is closed. And so, yeah, you got to be ultra wealthy.
And then still, you'll get a couple of treatments a year instead of like, you look at the fact that stem cells in a breast milk, and then you realize that stem cells are supposed to be ingested. So it's like, yeah, you get them injected twice a year.
I drink them every day. So let's go.
So the thing that, this is the thing that makes sense for me. So I am a big believer in God and that the things of the earth is the way that God intended us to live.
And our bodies are weighed to access God in different ways, whether through breath work, urine therapy, whatever it may be. right and so what rings true to me is like we have been indoctrinated to trust men and synthetic

material whether And so what rings true to me is like we have been indoctrinated to trust men and synthetic material, whether it's pharmaceuticals, food or whatnot, that's made by man more than the things that are made by God. Right.
And so like I believe that the world, like the purpose of the opposite of the creator is to try to indoctrinate us to trust men more than God. And where the real purpose of life is to figure out how to stay close and trust God more than man.
And so for me, that makes sense, right? Like, you know, obviously it sounds a little crazy to my indoctrinated mind, but I'm definitely open to it. So that's what I it no that's awesome I noticed that with your mind like it's like you in some ways you couldn't stop thinking about it that's what happened to me too where it was this kind of awe and wonder and mystery of wow like I can't believe that what if God made me so that I didn't have to pull out a credit card go on Amazon and buy products when I've got problems like it's it's a it's a self-sustaining system.
And this is the concept of autology or sorry, um, autologous, uh, healing, which is healing arising from your own cells and tissues. Uh, this is the, this is the, like the Holy grail and it, and it does connect people to God.
And it gives a sense of peace and confidence in not only God, but in yourself of saying, wow, like I'm, I'm, I'm set. And so like, I'm out in the wilderness and there's venomous creatures come from Australia.
Everyone's like, everything wants to kill you in Australia. And you, you have less fear when you know what's available to you.
And, um, and same with like the things that happened over the past four or so years and the kinds of dramatic health benefits, uh, effects that the horrific stories that have come out and all the people that have suffered, all the people that have lost lives. And then you look at how these things have actually helped these people.
And that's what I've been doing. And that's why I was willing to go public on this.
And yeah, you mentioned again, like with RFK Jr. He was in some films of mine, even going back way back 10 years.
And so something that just happened, for example, with the confirmation was something that we didn't really expect to happen. We were willing to be fringe forever because it's like children's lives have been on the line for a long time without saying too much here.
But this was how people are able to get it. And I've seen this in extreme cases.
And I get asked to present frequently in medical conferences to talk about how to help people that have had all kinds of things happen to them recently from things they've put in their bodies. Well, I mean, dude, it's a beautiful time that we live in where, like I said, people are waking up like you would never believe a couple of years ago that a guy like RFK Jr.r could be the head of health right for for the united states like people are finally waking up to like these alternative methods the more natural the homeopathic and and stuff and so it's it's pretty awesome that you're pushing it now obviously you get a lot of initial knee jerk reaction pushback when you say something like this when you go against the way somebody's been indoctrinated and not they don't feel indoctrinated they just feel like like that's truth right like that's that's how life is or whatnot so like how do you handle situations like that it's funny because um and i asked that knowing and seeing how we kind of went through that this morning with my wife yeah um so for for those that are watching it was interesting before we jumped on this i had posted this video of me drinking my own urine and my wife had watched it right before i called her to wish her happy valentine's day and it was like immediately like there was like this just huge turnoff right like knee-jerk reaction like I'm never gonna kiss you again stay down in Las Vegas like what did you do I can't believe it um and so and and yeah and I noticed your body language it was like you you were like keeping it strong and and but at the same time I was like oh like well yeah and i noticed it it was a little bit of like hey babe you know yeah i i think uh so we'll actually show a quick clip of that and and um we'll we'll show you how how jonathan actually dealt a little bit with this hey you're gonna we're done wow this is the thing i'm sorry she's still smiling so she's okay she loves me oh um she's just you know it's it's it's a knee-jerk reaction right now yeah yeah true okay so when when you're when your babies your beautiful five children were born did you have any trouble kissing them them as soon as they came out of the womb? Yes.
You did, yeah. My last one, they put him right on my chest and I'm like, somebody needs to clean him off, please.
My wife still freaks out about it, even though she does it. Not as regularly as I do it, but she still freaks out about it.
So it's kind of, I think it's an indoctrination thing, but like it's, you know, if it's going to save someone's life, which I've seen it save people's lives, like literally people on their deathbeds. So talking about urine therapy is awesome.
You are also very involved in other health benefit and different homeopathic things like red light. So my wife, the interesting thing, it was really hard for her to accept any of this type, but then she became more open-minded just as I was talking with her.
But she's totally into different health practices, and she's been using red light for the last five months. every morning she gets in 5 30 a.m she wakes up she goes and gets under a couple blankets of red light and after that she does a cold plunge and then she goes to the hot tub and uh this has been like a transformative time in her life right like i've seen her health improve, her body aches and skin and just all different types of her attitude and mentality.
And like, just like our relationship has improved. It's been pretty awesome.
So like, give us more, like help us understand the science of that. Yeah, absolutely.
And it always makes me so happy to hear things like this, because you just look at what the future looks you guys you know the world at your feet successful you know selling companies large exits and you know that's why a lot of the guys follow you and then and then your whole world starts collapsing because you're you know the love of your life her health is gradually declining things become less sweet less beautiful less romantic know, everything like, has got like this muffler on it. And then you keep going down the line and I just, you know, what do you think I hear every day? Can you know, these horrific cancer diagnoses and people have no hope and they literally get handed this death sentence.
And again, not saying that that was the future, but it is for so many people. And then you find things and then everything changes.
And that's something that like Mel Gibson recently talked about on Rogan's show where he talked about three stage four cancer patients that are free from cancer and he listed the things. And these are the things I've been talking about in you know 10 years um in more detail because he kind of lists it as best as he understood it which

he kind of vaguely touched on it but but to answer on red light therapy the reason why it's been so

beneficial for your wife and it's helping for example women uh with their thyroids you know

women have about 10 times a greater risk of thyroid problems as an example every one man

every 10 women face a thyroid disease um it's regenerative of the thyroid gland as an example

which is a game changer and and it drops the need for medication and clinical studies and then if you can regenerate your thyroid you can actually not just continue to decline and you lose your thyroid function and all hell breaks loose and you just lose all like normalcy in your life and then you go over to something like breast cancer um there was a study done on you know four different wavelengths for for breast cancer it was 615 these are nanometers so if it's red it's around the 600 and 700 so they tested these these different red wavelengths 615 630 660 730 and they found it was just the one 660 that was able to drop breast tumor proliferation by 40% in 24 hours. This is a PubMed study.
24 hours. Yes, it was in vitro, but it was a human cell line, meaning it was in a petri dish, but it was a human cell line of both triple negative and non-triple negative breast tumor cell lines.
And in both cell lines, it did this. So then women need to know that 660 nanometer wavelength i'm not saying that you can prevent breast cancer i'm just saying you should know about this and and then you know better alternatives than mammography is thermography as an example because it's detecting you know breast cancer when it's a pinhead instead of a lump but then you know how do you get ahead of that be preventative rather than waiting and if that's one of the best therapies for this, and again, let's go, let's go human studies now and large human study.
There's a human study, but let's go large case studies like prostate cancer, 413 participants, a European medical study, major journal, 49% completely go into remission in a two-year period on the red light therapy. The control group that didn't take it, 13.5%.
Four times greater likelihood of beating cancer. These guys all generally speaking to my knowledge and assumptions, all did conventional therapies or mostly did conventional therapies.
Question for you right now. My dad is battling prostate cancer.
Okay. Well, okay.
So, and the recommendation, so it's not like super aggressive or like and he's he's frankly not really worried about it but um the recommendation has been to get radiation okay um what would you say to a situation like that sure yeah i'm really sensitive with this kind of thing and so i can't give like you know advice and so you're not giving advice you're just telling me like what if yeah exactly and here's what i would do all right yeah what would you do yeah so okay so if you got a problem you know cancer is not a foreign invader that's that's what people need to know it's your own dysregulation in your body right so like let's say you know it's it's not in the breast so you chop your breasts off or you know take a preemptive strike like angelina jolly so you just you just cut them off before it happens but but like it doesn't stop it from coming out anywhere else it just won't be breast cancer it'd be some other type of cancer the dysregulation is the issue so the the issue is what causes in the first place how do we get to the root of this so that not only do we potentially use that same therapy to uproot the cause that that means the downstream issue, which is actually the tumor cells are actually down the stream.

The upstream is the toxins that actually cause it in the first place. Let's work with that and then resolve that.
And so these strategies, we're seeing them work. And that's an example.
So one thing is like referencing that study that I just talked about is, well, according to that study, know 10 control centers in europe uh a two-year study you his likelihood is four times greater even even if he chose the radiation or not generally speaking across that 413 group that it would be four times greater survival rate if he did it that's one example and then you look at like what were the things that uh mel gibson referenced and i you know we're going to be careful i'll give you editing privileges on this but um because you know it's your platform and so i you know i gotta be so sensitive here but you know mel gibson didn't even really want to answer joe rogan's questions he says it was ivermectin fenbendazole these are anti-parasitics they're part of a critical part of a cancer protocol because what happens with stem stem stem cells are interfered with with uh parasites because they're intracellular and they it's something called the mitochondrial stem cell connection that's disrupted by parasites and they're draining the energy of the cells and then when the voltage of the body is low then disease thrives and your body can't combat disease normally and uh and so now uh and so the the parasite killing the parasites red light therapy actually does kill parasites and and then if you take an anti-parasitic together with a red light therapy device then you're you put the whole thing on steroids and and in clinical studies and i'm not just saying that i think doctor you you have cancer hypothetically this type of cancer doctor recommends radiation what do you do i wouldn't do it so what would you do i would do anti-parasitics i'd do the ivermectin fenbendazole i'd do the red light therapy i'd be doing it daily 30 minutes um i'd have my prostate and the rest of my body just like up against it about three inches away from a device i'd have a full body device so when say full body like roughly you know from you know here to here kind of thing um as as as one example it's more examples and then i would be doing okay editing privileges again like i mentioned this one's very controversial that's going to deliver around 10 million 700 000 oxygen molecules for every red blood cell in the body disease is is i'm saying is it is is is often i would say it's always oxygen deprivation so you can't live without food but you can live for you know a good amount of months for a lot of people without food you can live how long without water how long can you live without oxygen oxygen is the critic most critical aspect and so if you can deliver oxygen to the cells so i'd be doing strangely enough i'd be doing nicotine because of what's happened because of how it competes with all these pesticides that you're out smoking cigarettes. No, I'd be, uh, never smoked.
Well, maybe when I was 14, once or twice, but never really smoked. So yeah.
So patches gums or patches. Yeah.
Yeah. And I'd look for the cleanest types of ones out there.
Um, but it's, it's helping a lot of people. And there's amazing clinical studies on it from Parkinson's disease to Tourette's syndrome to aggression with autism.
There's long lists of studies, schizophrenia even, with nicotine, surprisingly. Fact check me on all of this.
Just put in the words nicotine. Well, it's interesting.
The body naturally produces nicotine, right? And it comes actually from a lot of fruits and vegetables.

It just is a higher concentration from the tobacco leaf.

There you go.

Exactly.

Your body naturally has receptors for the nicotine, and they're called alpha-7 nicotinic acetylcholine receptors.

It's specifically the seventh receptor on this.

It's the critical one that gets...

It's like...

I'm saying it's like a primary target of certain toxins and poisons in our environment, which is why it's... people then get paralyzed with something like yamber and i've seen cases of this and then they take nicotine and they're up walking and uh i'm not exaggerating these are real case studies um so these are yeah it's great so to to finalize your answer those are some of the big hitters and there's more there's i would go for a plant-based diet i'd go back to the garden of eden and i'd be eating a lot of raw foods and i'd be using that kind of dietary protocol i'd be getting super hydrated if hydrogen water probably good on deuterium depleted water yeah it's interesting my my mom my mom was suffering from uh the like uh what's what's the crazy arthritis where you're like crippling arthritis oh yeah uh yeah well rheumatoid arthritis rheumatoid arthritis thank you so my mom uh several years ago was was suffering from rheumatoid arthritis to the point where she couldn't get out of bed wow and uh she shifted her diet just to a raw diet and she did that for six years and within six months of doing that she was completely healed and she's she's never struggled with it since wow and uh so yeah it's it's been uh it it's pretty pretty remarkable just like the natural benefits that we can get from these things and and and i love like what you're talking about with with red light so like this is that's like one of the main things that you focus on, right? Like that's one of your businesses.
Tell us about that. Yeah, absolutely, man.
So yeah, red light therapy, because I believe in it so much, I went deep into the research and worked at how best to like create devices that would have all of the different specifications that show up in these studies, which is not typical because it's wavelengths. You heard me talk about wavelengths.
Right, 660. There you go.
Now you know it. And now you kind of know that.
But if it was something in the brain, it would be 800 and up because it needs to be near infrared. It's not visible to the eye, but it's going to penetrate deeper, go through the skull, go through the lungs, use for all kinds of lung conditions.
One study showed an overall response rate of over 87% for lung lung cancer actually like so and that's response rate so meaning that people were getting dramatic improvement but um and then so like all these different wavelengths for example what i did with when i was creating a red light device was to put nine different wavelengths in it and you know obviously working with manufacturers that have done this for you know decades but um but then working out how do you how do you then make sure that you've got the right chips in it for example like there's a 21 mil chip there's a 42 mil chip that one's going to give you a higher irradiance so okay that's that and you know no most people don't know this you you know none the wiser irradiance is critical and that's the difference between fire infrared where the irradiance is super low so um it's literally 10 20 times higher there's a huge difference in irradiance yes exactly so fire infrared is really good for heating the core body temperature but because 90 of the power is going into heat not into light whereas with light emitting diodes leds uh then and with high irradiance devices then nine 90 of the power is going into light and so then that's what feeds the mitochondria produces adenosine triphosphate which is the energy powerhouse of the cell corrects the stem cell production in your body that's like getting stem cells every day dude that's how crazy it is and people are seeing benefits like your wife regenerating thyroid glands and you probably find out she may not be needing the like medications for example for thyroid condition stuff um so um yeah so we made sure to put the wavelengths and the irradiance the these critical factors that will make something that would actually work and we've seen i've got to be careful what i say but things that i wouldn't even believe and like you think about we're talking about thyroid health this morning like people like a woman shannon she was uh graves disease so hyperactive thyroid hypothyroidism and she was bed like hardly able to work walk her blood markers were so bad her doctors were saying do not go and do anything physical she was wanting to compete in a marathon and again this is an anecdotal case study but she got herself in front of the red light panel the one that we we've got and then within two and a half weeks she was doing every day for 30 minutes but again over a whole body thyroid she she went and competed the marathon her blood mark is normalized the doctor was like we don't know what's happening here but we just see these cases all the time it's awesome yeah i love it i love it yeah so if people wanted to like look at the products or whatnot because obviously you know we love the science we love the things like man sell us some stuff like where do we go get it absolutely man yeah so my company is red life so and you can find us spelled l-i-f-e yeah yeah for life yeah red life and my redlife.com uh no don't go there sounds bad yeah all right do we edit that no y'all go to redlife.com all right where do we go my red light.com my red light spelled l-i-g-h-t correct yeah my red light.com yes awesome yeah and you have a discount for any of these guys we want to help you guys you you're my you're my brother bro and so we want we want your tribe to like we've got great discounts there but you can get an additional discount but we love deals baby we love deals it's how you get things done come on and that's how you you know i i made it so that i want people to do red light therapy because i want their lives changed and you've heard what i've been talking about i've clearly committed to life change you're passionate about it so i'm just like what i do to push people over the edge so we made our stuff super competitive like crazy like super affordable and uh it outperforms everything when it comes to like cost like it costs you less than a single supplement you have to order that thing every month this thing is one and done one time or you do it on monthly payments um but it'll cost you less than a single supplement because and then you use it for the whole family it's crazy man like red light is the most affordable thing to do and have one in your home going to a clinic will cost you like typically about eight grand a year like because it's every treatment's like a hundred bucks and you got to do like three a week if you want to be on you know on top anyway the code code is give us the code baby next level next level we're getting a little discount on that thing an additional big discount off awesome awesome hey so everybody head over products. I'm going to be probably buying a few things.

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Love a good deal, especially on a good product. And just so you guys know, he's legit from a standpoint of like, we've talked a lot the last couple of days.
He's never once tried selling me on anything. It's just been like, he's passionate.
Like, I love your passion. I love your belief in what you're doing and like the mission behind it and everything else which is like super respectable and uh yeah man just love what you're all about bro thank you that means a lot man yeah absolutely like no you're you're you're like a one in a million kind of guy and i think that's why everyone loves who's following you but it's like you get that kind of energy it's like that friendship is everything and like for you know anyone that's like wanting to connect with like big players it's just you know go for that like the heart of what it is that some who they are you just like opportunities has come up like this just just just came up for this to happen it's like but what were we committed to like a friendship and and like your family and you you with me like my my family and my well-being and my financial well-being you started connecting me straight away like bro this guy last night was just his mission last night at a big networking party was just to introduce me to people because he's that that kind of guy man like you do not want to follow anyone but this guy i'm telling you like it's that's good stuff bro i appreciate it i appreciate it speaking of following what's the best place to like follow you what platform are you most active on yeah

absolutely Instagram is great cool yeah and what's your yeah so like if you just remember my name

Jonathan Otto, it'd be easy, but like John, it's Johnno.otto, J-O-N-N-O.O-T-T-O.

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much having you on the show dude it's been so good bro thank you until next time