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Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to another episode of Affirmative Murder, the Equal Opportunity True Crime Comedy Podcast.

I'm Alvin Williams, joined as always by my partner in true crime, Francelle Evans.

Oh, yes, wait a minute, Mr.

Post.

Super Bowl's coming up.

Yeah, man, I'm the mailman.

Can't you tell, man?

Go post to it.

What up?

Mr.

Postman, what's going on, Fran?

Not much, man.

What is going on?

These crazy times on the ethernet here.

I don't know, man.

I mean, what are we getting into today?

What are we touching on?

Well, listen, my heart is stuff.

Yeah, listen, as Jaden Smith, the founder of Wokeism,

said many a moon ago, the political and economic state of the world, I don't want to talk about this week.

You know,

can we not talk about that this week for once?

You know, there's a lot of crazy shit going on.

I have my thoughts.

If you follow any of our social media platforms, you know, I'm giving it up crazy on there.

I'm not like remaining silent, but I'm here to talk with my homie for a little bit.

Let's have some laughs.

So, um, friend, once, um, once upon a time, um,

a fast food chain set the world on fire

with a sandwich.

They've come back in 2025 with another

mission to disrupt, to destabilize.

Popeyes has released the Don Julio collaboration and it is everything that I feared.

Yeah.

I saw some dude running around at Popeye's at like 10 o'clock in the morning, pouring people shots of Don Julio.

I didn't know why the Popeyes was full.

I never see people sitting in a Popeye's.

One thing about Popeyes is it's working-class chicken.

You get it after you get off work, you take it home to your family.

Yeah.

I've never seen people sitting in Popeyes dining in.

And now the Don Julio collab comes out and I'm seeing all the little wooden benches with the curves on the back.

Yeah.

They're all full with people now getting poured Don Julio into their drinks yeah now could this been propaganda sure but that speaks to who they think they need to give money to to sell the chicken to us what have you seen since the release of this don julio what have i seen popeyes collab i have seen the

excitement of

use that word excitement about dark dark liquor and uh

fried chicken and I recently just saw a video of like

you can like get a section.

No.

You can have the bottle girls come out with the sign and the sprinklers and shit with the don julio.

I need you to stop.

And they dancing and got like little, you know, sexy little.

I need you to stop.

I swear.

I just saw this.

They got like a section you can, and then they got the drink girls come out.

At the Popeyes.

At the Popeyes with the little sign, the sprinklers and shit, the Don Julio in their hand.

I said, nah, this is crazy.

I didn't know you can get sections at Popeyes.

That's new to me.

But I mean, that speaks volumes of what

they are like, they're essentially just like blatantly with a high level of disrespect in our face.

Go ahead.

Going like, hey,

black people, all you care about is where you're easily manipulated.

Black people care about fried chicken.

Don Julio, some type of some some dark, some type of dark liquor,

clubs,

a vip section

and attention

it is we got that all in we got we got that all in one package just come to pops yeah full rollout deceptive distraction program and i know that you know my people are not a monolith you know so i know it's a lot of people that think the way we think as far as like this is crazy like i mean i like popeyes as much as the next guy if

you heard you you said this you said this many times and i never had i never seemed to i never seemed to to ask you, what is the meaning of when you say black people are not a monolith?

Does that mean that black people are all not the same?

That's exactly what it means.

That's exactly what it means.

That's exactly what it means.

Okay.

So why do you say that, though?

Because I say, I don't want our thought, I don't want what we're saying in the conversation that we're having.

Somebody could hear this and be like, Everybody likes fried chicken, so I think it's racist for you to even be offended.

Like me as a black person, I'm offended that you're making such a big deal about black people eating chicken.

Does that make sense?

So it's like almost like we're the bad people for being like, why they got us out here drinking the Don Julio in the streets and eating chicken?

It's like, there's, I know there's a black person out there in the world that's like, I just see people eating chicken in the streets.

I don't, I don't look at us as what they have depicted us as.

So

why are we carrying on those stereotypes by being upset about people eating fried chicken?

I agree to a point.

And that point is just about any Popeyes campaign that I've ever seen.

I think it was Popeyes that had Jerry Rice with the helmet on that had the drumstick going through the

Jerry Rice had the helmet.

He had the helmet on and the bar that grows across the face for the football.

He had infused the chicken bone into the helmet so he could eat chicken while he plays chicken.

He plays.

Wow.

But he was, this is retired Jerry Rice.

So I'm like, why can't you just be Jerry Rice the retired football?

Why are you even wearing a helmet in the commercial?

We have not seen you catch a football in 20 years.

Yeah.

But they make you go to put on your costume when you go to entertain us don't fit yeah you know well you got to you got to dress up like the you got to do the thing dribble the ball no man magic johnson should and it and does should just get to come out and be like hey man y'all know who i am i don't need to like put on in the lakers to short shorts in my 60s and be like remember me man look i'm dribbling the basketball but it seems to me like every time popeyes does something they're like oh the brothers and sisters are gonna love this and i don't know if a black person owns popeyes so i don't like that i don't feel like it's a room full of black people being like, yo, we're going to do the Popeyes, Don Julio collab.

That is a good question, though.

You know, like, what is that?

Popeyes franchise being owned by black people.

That's what I'm saying, but it doesn't matter because, you know,

the franchise just does

what the head says.

So I would love to see the focus group.

Was there a lot of black people in that focus group?

That's like, what do black people love besides fried chicken?

And obviously, we know they love fried chicken.

What if we did in the stores a Don Julio fried chicken collaboration?

I could be wrong.

Maybe the CEO of Popeyes is a black person, but it just seems to me, like you're saying, every time these kind of situations come with Popeyes, they go like, this shit gets crazy, man.

People doing

dance videos outside of the Popeyes for the chicken sandwich and all of these things.

And this one, it got further and more egregious because I will say the Popeyes chicken sandwich marketing was very organic.

Black people just got excited and shit started going viral.

So black people wanted to go viral, eat the sandwich, whatever.

This one is like,

it's it's telling to me who they think they need to call to sell this sandwich like they had a whole rollout for these people to give to them so you could sell the chicken to your your your followers so this got kind of crazy man and and and you know it's it hasn't been as egregious as the popeye's chicken sandwich chaos of 2020 like nobody's getting stabbed but I don't like seeing these social media influencers in the, like you're saying, I didn't see the video you saw, but the the video I saw was a dude in a Popeyes just running through the Popeyes with a Don Julio bottle, broad daylight, giving Don Julio to middle-aged people, like just, you know, in the middle of the day.

Like, come,

don't film us drinking dark liquor and eating fried chicken to put on the internet to show to people.

Can you see this?

I can see this.

Don Julio X, Popeyes Collab, club vibes.

I'm not going to play the sound because I don't want to mess up.

Yeah, don't let no strikes.

Yep.

Wow.

Yeah, those are bottle girls yeah

and this and that's just a popeye's marketing sign yeah wow

yes is this a prank or what do you what do you think about that i think see no what i think that was is again this is what i say about black people not being a monolith these look like young black kids that are like yo this is gonna go viral on tick tock let's make a whole scene out of it let's have fun about it i don't think this was a sanctioned popeyes event

I think I hope to God it wasn't.

I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and say, this is a bunch of like very smart kids attacking the algorithm.

Like, yo, what do you think will go viral?

What if we had like the bottle girl come out and bring us the Don Julio collab?

I think this is an organic marketing campaign, but I'm still like, why you got the girl, bottle girls, in the

I'm not here to shame people for going to go eat chicken.

Everybody likes chicken.

I get, yeah.

But they don't treat it like that.

They treat it like, we know who wants this chicken.

We know who wants this collab.

Like,

but I mean, I mean, like,

we don't give them that, though.

That's like evidence when, especially when the Popeye's chicken sandwich came out and the lines were full and people were being overworked and you couldn't even get, the first week, you couldn't even get one.

First week.

Whatever.

When it dropped, you couldn't even get one.

So, like, lines were long.

It was, bro.

They were black marketing.

It was insane.

People were buying up all the sandwiches and then going and redistributing them.

wholesale at like barbershops and stuff for double the price.

Yes.

You flipping chicken, Popeye's chicken sandwiches, and they see that and they go, okay,

that's how we, how we can.

Let's up the annie.

How can we up the annie on this?

Don Julio, and then and then present it in like a Jordan box.

Was like, you know, when you get Jordans, and then you get like a t-shirt and a box, and then there's a box inside the box.

Yeah, it's like, this is really, this is insane.

These are just it's kind of like, it's kind of like a uh, that's meant for you to just hold on as some type of some type of sentimental reason with, like, yeah, the reason it's gonna be resale value.

Yeah, I remember that time.

That's crazy.

I got dead stock Popeye's ex-Don Julio collab merch from 2025.

It's 2040.

You're selling that for 10 grand.

Yeah.

And that's the part, you bring up a good point.

That's the part that makes me like my antennas pop up where I go, it's like a self-fulfilling prophecy, but then

it's like, it's not racist when we do it.

Yeah.

Like when we're having fun about it, even that video you just showed me, like that's them having fun.

But then when the Popeye CEOs watch that and they go, okay, so let's incorporate this in our marketing.

Like instead of just making a sandwich and putting it out, they go, how do we get some of that energy back back from when they did the Popeye's chicken sandwich excitement?

Ooh,

I know black people love liquor.

What if we did a collaboration with a liquor company?

This is when it gets racist when they go, okay, we saw how organic fun looked.

How do we make that businessy?

This is no different to me than when in 2020, Pepsi was like, we see all these protests and George Floyd got killed and everything.

I got it.

Let's go get Kendall Jenner and have her go give Pepsi to a police officer in the middle of a riot.

And then the riot stops because Pepsi is so delicious and crispy and quenches your thirst.

And that was the commercial they decided to go with in the midst of like civil unrest and everything like that.

This is a version of that to me.

Where they go, remember when black people are all excited and stabbing each other for chicken sandwiches?

How do we get that back?

But with our brains, not because we can't just, we can't rely on black people to be organic again.

What if they don't like the new sandwich with the with the crispy bun or whatever these

whatever this whatever's in this box yeah what if they don't get as excited about the don julio collab without us making more of a big deal about it and this is what a big deal looks like to them when they spend money on the when they spend money on the marketing this is what we get

foolery

VIP sections in the Popeyes and people pouring liquor in the people's cups at the the shit looks crazy and I'm not here to be I was about to say a person's name that we can't say anymore, but

fuck it, because it's true still.

Once upon a time, Bill Cosby was a guy that was like,

Yeah, he would be like, pull your pants up and stop eating chicken.

And come.

I'm not trying to be that.

For many, I'm not trying to be Bill Cosby in any way, but I'm just saying, like, I'm not here to be like, hey, man, we got to stop eating chicken.

That's not what I'm here to say.

I'm just saying, like, let's relax a little bit.

We don't got to be so enthusiastic and all this shit about the shit and filming ourselves.

It's a thing, though.

That's the thing.

When we are

showing,

like you said, being enthusiastic and then giving all this energy of like a chicken sandwich, they go, like, look.

They love it.

This is a hit.

They love it.

And it's just self-fulfilling.

That's the part that makes me sick.

Like, don't make them right in their racism.

Yeah.

Like, what did we do wrong?

You guys clearly love it.

Yeah.

You guys are dancing and pouring liquor into the, you guys love Don Julio and chicken.

We were right.

You're eating it and drinking it at the same time.

You're dipping the chicken strips into the Don Julio.

You guys are loving it.

And I'm like, not us.

We're not monolithic.

Yeah.

That's what, that's why I say, because I'm like, just like I'm saying.

But yeah, but we, most of us do, though.

Most of us do what?

Like chicken, fried chicken.

Yeah, but like,

why do you keep saying that when like, you're like, it's 50-50 when like,

no, that's not, that's not accurate.

No, but like,

this is odd.

Oh, my God.

I hate this comment.

But it is too much.

We love fried chicken but like but like everybody loves fried chicken that's my issue i like black people bro i like black people

there's there's a different love but we well we we create i mean it's it's our invention like it's black it's kind of like black culture right but okay then we love that

now if you said watermelon everybody loves oh everybody loves watermelon yeah okay that that's different that's not like fried chicken now if they came up with like watermelon and like the don julio bottles stuck to the

stuck

You know talk about

like a tropical drink like it comes in a watermelon like it comes like a coconut.

No, that'd be crazy if they had that you guys love this little tropical drink with an umbrella in it and it's a little watermelon

painted like a watermelon Yeah, they could like they got the bottle hanging out now

like a floater

floating out of a watermelon they're one of those like that's that'd be insane that's like a side yeah

you can get the upgrade, get extra doned out.

Extra donned out.

Double don, you get the don julio mini hanging out of the watermelon bowl.

But yeah, man, we just love, we love fried chicken, man.

Stop saying it, though, because don't say that.

We don't love fried chicken.

I'm not.

Look, you don't love fried chicken.

Don't ask me that.

You don't love fried chicken?

Don't ask me.

Don't ask me that.

Don't ask me.

You don't love fried chicken.

I'm not acting like I don't love fried chicken, but don't ask me that.

Do you or do you not this is the thing right i'm not trying to sit here and act ashamed of liking fried chicken but i'm just saying like

this is why i say the not monolithic thing because there are people there are people don't ask me that there are people that are here that will hear this conversation and be like why are you guys so obsessed with the idea of black people eating fried chicken everybody likes fried chicken that's one end of the spectrum but then there's the other end of the spectrum that's like i love the don julio's Popeyes collaboration and who are you to tell me not to eat it?

So I'm like, we're not here to speak

for all black people because all black people think differently from our perspective.

And there are other people who have the same perspective as us, I assume.

At least there's two right here having a conversation with each other.

This shit looks a little crazy when you get too excited about it.

We don't need to jump up and kick our heels.

We don't, it's like,

we don't need to do that.

This is too much.

We just get, we just, they're going like, see, it does a disservice, it does us a disservice.

Like, we need to think bigger than, sure, like, you asked me that question.

Sure, I love, I love fresh chicken.

Yeah,

I love fresh chicken.

it's delicious, you know, like it's this, it's crispy, all those things, juicy, delicious, man, but I would never, you would never catch me biting into some crispy fried chicken, like on camera, or like

in promotion of some chicken.

I would never, there would never be a chicken sponsor on this podcast.

So, if Popeyes came to us last, it would, it would, there's not a dollar they could give me to be like, what, to be like, affirmative murders brought to you by Popeyes.

There's nothing

the crispiness man

i'll take it

get to popeyes now and get a murder meal six crispy drumsticks with the

red beans and rice and with the bloody red beans and rice

And don't forget a biscuit.

I'm humming and stuff.

No, no, you'd have to, I mean,

you could take all the proceeds.

The affirmative mac and cheese, delicious, just like grandma used to make.

I'm salivating just thinking about it.

Yeah, like walk, don't run.

Get to a Popeye's before all the chicken's gone.

I'm not saying that.

I'm not saying that, bro.

And I'm not marketing that.

I'm not promoting that.

You're not promoting that?

I can't do it, bro.

I can't.

No, I can't do it, man.

Wow.

I can't do it, man.

Wow.

Okay.

And maybe that's me perpetuating dumb stereotypes that we should let die, but like, I don't think it's dying.

So I feel like.

But why wouldn't you take a sponge of Pope Pies if all of everybody loves fried chicken?

If I had full creative control of the marketing campaign, maybe, to where you might not even know it's a chicken commercial.

But I don't think that would be the case.

I'm not trying to be in an email chain with some ad executive that's like, so we want it to sound really organic.

So really make sure you, we get, we let, we gave you a script, but we want you to kind of go off script a little bit to really show how much you love fried chicken.

Yeah.

And then i send it in and they're like and try to and try to really show some more love to the chip we'd love the ad you know we hit you hit all the spots about get there today use the code and all that stuff but could you like do another one and just talk more sing the song we'd love you to hum more love that chicken

bro

could you talk more about your mammy like about like growing up and how your mammy would make chicken maybe you could do more like that like an organic type of thing like that and maybe make some crispy sounds like you're crunching into the chicken we'd love that so like maybe do another read we love what you gave us but maybe do another one a little more enthusiasm i'm not trying to be having that kind of conversation no you gotta draw you gotta draw the line yeah i i agree with i agree with that so yeah man i don't know i

listen

fried chicken's delicious it is but i'm not getting on camera to praise fried chicken ever and if that's like a me being too thinking overthinking it or trying to be like a bourgeoisie or something i don't know i'm sorry but like that's just how i feel i would never get on camera and be like this chicken is delicious my eyes are all big i'm making them big and bugged out

i was like

i can't i can't do it so

um but yeah listen man before we take a break because i i could talk about that all day long real quick man shout out to this lady in pakistan

um

Nikki Minaj's cousin.

I don't know who this is, but I've been obsessed with this for a week.

Yeah, I heard about this.

I don't know the full story and all the details, but I just know.

So, this woman, well, first of all, I mean, she's kind of a predator.

This woman,

whose name is like

Omira something

or Onika, that's that's Nicki Minaj's name.

Go home.

She

is doing like a she did like a 90-day fiancé type of thing.

But the guy is 19.

So she's like 35.

She's married or in a relationship has kids and everything she got on a flight i hope this doesn't sound racist bro i didn't even know you could just go to pakistan

like she's clearly from like queens or something like that i didn't know you could just get on the plane i didn't know you could like today i could go on my phone and be like i'm gonna go get a flight to pakistan i didn't know you could just do that really yeah i just didn't think i just i don't know it feels like that's first of all it's an international flight like I I don't know what our relationship is with Pakistan at the moment.

Like, I just didn't, I didn't think it was like just cool.

It's like, I feel like in my mind, it's like Cuba.

Like, you can't, not that we're embargoed, but like, I just didn't think it's just like you could just go to Pakistan.

So, that was news to me.

When I see this woman, that's like, yo, first of all, like, yo, I need 30,000.

Yeah, I was like, what is this?

I first thought it was fake.

And then I'm looking around at all the people.

I'm like, no, these are Pakistani civilians living a day-to-day life.

And there's just this woman from Queens in a burqa.

Like, yo, first of all, I need to tell y'all, we're going to knock all this down.

I need 150,000.

I'm going to rebuild the city.

I'm gonna 100,000.

I said, What?

It is like, how did you?

That was my first thought.

It was like she walked in off a set.

Like, it was an SNL sketch.

Like, she just walked into Pakistan from like off-camera.

And all of a sudden, she's in Pakistan.

This is crazy.

Listen to this.

I'm gonna turn all this down on.

What do you need right now?

My feet is swollen.

I need 5,000 a week.

You need 5,000 a week?

Who's giving you 5,000?

There's all our poor people.

Yeah, I better figure it out.

There's all our poor people.

They they're not the rich people ask the government

thank you i have a have a good day just have a shit she's definitely from new york

i don't understand

so like how much of this how much she went over there to get married right she went over to get married i think i got sidetracked so i don't think i finished it so yes so she's in her 30s she meets online she starts an online relationship with this 19-year-old.

She flies to Pakistan off of the strength of the online commiseration.

Like they, you know, like they bonded so much that she's like, yo, I'm going to go out there and meet my husband.

He's 19.

She shows up, a grown-ass lady.

She's like 34 years old.

She shows up.

His parents, because he lives at home with his parents, they're like, nah, what is this?

Who are you?

Yo, I'm here to meet him and get married.

We're going to go get married in Dubai.

They were like, nah.

Slammed the door in her face and she just never left.

And so she basically is down the street from his house and is on the news like yeah I'm here my husband we're married we already got married but we're gonna go have a ceremony in Dubai and I need a hundred thousand dollars from the government of Pakistan and she just won't leave so we need to go get her money to leave like what's I don't they well her family's come out and said she's out of her mind like clearly like everything about this is this is a mentally ill person like this is but she's got such New York confidence that you're like but when we say that mentally ill but I've been like bro bro she's in pakistan i get that but she's crazy to the right but she had but she was able to get on a flight and go to pakistan that's true i mean now she's now that she's like she's there and she won't leave now she's crazy she was crazy when she bought the ticket to go to she was always

she was always crazy she just is functional enough to be able to go buy a plane ticket and get on a plane i don't think she got on i'm sure the plane ride was crazy too

but just not too crazy that she got kicked off the plane so you know, and now she's there.

She's going full-blown crazy.

I can't stop watching the videos.

Yeah, flying to Pakistan.

It's crazy.

Flying to Pakistan is crazy.

Like, that's insane.

Like, what?

I just couldn't believe it.

So, yeah, this lady's out in Pakistan talking wild crazy.

Like, these are like, I think these are like political activists that they're having a meeting about trying to get some shit done in their country.

And she's like, yo, I need a quarter million Wyatt to me by Thursday.

And they're like, okay, yeah.

Thank you very much.

She's like, no, first of all, praise to Allah Lord be to Allah and all of that I'm married I'm a Pakistani like and they're they're humoring her but eventually they're gonna stop humoring her and I'm concerned about this woman somebody just decided to hit her in the head with a rock like get the fuck up what you're talking about why are you yelling at everybody talking everybody crazy she's out there talking to people wild

like remima she's talking like remi ma she's like are you dumb she's sleeping like on the street i don't i don't know but i am i am i am obsessed and fascinated i don't know what she's doing i don't know where she's sleeping, but I'm concerned for her safety.

But I'm also like, this is fascinating and hilarious.

But I'm also like, when this stops being funny, I get the same kind of vibe of like early Orlando Brown when it was like, yo, what's he doing?

Climbing the telephone pole and talking about Ushkashkushkwash?

And it was funny, but then you go,

but all right, it's not funny to me anymore.

I'm concerned.

Now it's still funny to me, but it's starting to turn like.

Where is this lady sleeping?

And is she okay?

Like, do these people, are these people dangerous?

Like, are they getting fed up with her?

And once they're fed up up with her, what happens then?

So that's starting to set in.

It's still funny when I see some of the clips.

But there was one, she was on the phone.

She was eating food and on the phone.

Like, yeah, no, I need a jet brought to me.

I'm not going anywhere without a jet.

Make it happen.

Yeah, I don't understand why she's not.

I don't understand the whole, I'm not leaving until I get whatever.

Yeah, she's very indignant.

I don't know why she thinks, why are they, why would they need to give you money?

But she's going to cause an international incident, man.

They're going to have to go negotiate.

This is going to be like, okay, I said I didn't want to talk politics.

But she could just leave, though.

He just doesn't want to leave.

She can leave until they decide, like, yo, put her in jail.

Like, you know, until she, until she crosses a line that makes her get arrested.

And then

the second that happens, because this is viral enough, Donald Trump's going to go get her to be like, I'm going to get some good favor with black people.

I would have said that if this is his first term, he can't get re-elected again.

So she has no chance.

They're not going to go Britney Griner her, like to go get her, to get some favor from

the people.

They don't need that now.

So if anything happens to this woman, nobody can, like, the government is not going to negotiate with Pakistan to get retrieve you.

So they need to get her home before they

don't think it's funny anymore.

And I don't think they think it's funny.

I think they're making a laughing stock of, she's making a laughing stock of Pakistan on TV and on the internet and shit.

And they're going to get sick of her.

And

somebody that's like anti-American is going to be like, yo, fuck this lady.

I'm going to go fucking, I'm going to go fucking kill her.

Like, that's a real concern of mine.

You're on there being wild, arrogant American in this other people's country.

Like, yo, give me money.

Fuck, shut.

She told the dude he was sitting there.

He seemed like some kind of elder.

Like, he had like respect.

She's like, yo, shut up.

You talk too much.

I was like, yo, what is happening?

You talk wild too much.

Like, you OD talking.

I was like, yo, you can't talk to people like this.

Why is it always us?

God damn it.

Nah, bro.

we gotta take a break because i'm not the chicken thing we can't this is not what we're gonna do this is sales

it's getting wild candace owens i don't we're not candid as owens podcasts we're not gonna be doing legitimate question why

i don't know why this how did she end up there bro like i don't understand it it just was so crazy oh god in the same month that popey's don julio

And then this lady, that's a fast.

It was too much.

It was too much back to back, bro.

Like, what's going on?

This is a New York thing.

I don't know.

This is New York.

New York, the Don Julio thing is New York.

It is.

And then this woman is New York.

So we gotta have a...

I told you.

I told you I feel about New York at this point.

I'm a huge fan of New York, and I'm like, I want nothing to do with New York.

I don't know what's going on over there, man.

I don't know what's...

I don't know.

It's too much Don.

Is that what it is?

Yes, it's too much.

New York is starting to become like Florida at this point.

They just, y'all need to just go and just be your own thing.

Yeah, we might need to like have them secede.

I thought that I thought that during the pandemic when I was like, these are the kind of people that live in New York.

Like, I mean, I didn't, I wasn't surprised, but I was all that like, man, bing, bong, yo, I'm in the, I'm in the yard with the dogs.

I was like, yo, what are they talking about?

I was like, this shit is crazy.

I was like, y'all need to just

suck my dick.

I was like, yo, why are they, why are they so obscene and just saying random things?

Like, it was crazy.

I was like, why are you mad at Al Roker?

They were

into anybody, yeah.

Yo, I'm out here with the child collectors on, it's four o'clock in the morning, you know what it is.

You heard.

I'm like, What

is going on?

But it's a lot of dawn, a lot of dawn.

Is that what it is?

A lot of dawn, apparently.

I'm good on New York for a little while.

Yeah, they got to settle down a little bit.

I wouldn't say it's as bad as Florida, but it's they have it's their own special blend for sure.

Yeah, for sure, yeah.

Anyway, uh,

hope we didn't alienate too much people.

I don't know.

I feel like

I want to see how people receive this.

I don't know.

About what?

I don't know.

About fried chicken and stuff.

Yeah, man.

I just want everybody to be the best version of themselves.

I don't know.

It's all jokes, man.

Yeah,

I'm feeling very much like a coward these days.

Like, I don't want anybody to get any kind of ideas about anti-blackness or any, not over here.

Of course not, man.

Yeah.

Look, I love chicken, so I don't know.

Hey, man, listen.

Hey, this is listen.

We're going to do it.

I love fried chicken.

We're going to take a look.

We're going to take a quick break.

I'll never be ashamed of my love for fried chicken.

Now,

I'm not obsessed with it.

I'm not like running to Popeyes and getting whatever, but I do love fried chicken, yes.

No, we're going to take a break.

We're going to take a quick break.

Okay.

Let's make it clear.

I appreciate it.

I'm not anti-fried chicken.

No, I appreciate it.

I appreciate it.

We're going to take a quick break.

We're going to take a quick break.

And when we come back, we're going to get into some fucked up shit, okay?

We're gonna take a quick break.

We'll get into some fucked up shit.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, we're gonna take a quick break and when we come back, we're gonna get into some fucked up shit, okay?

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Fran,

we live in a world currently where it seems like like

it's becoming illegal to talk about black history.

The federal government is not acknowledging anything having to do with Black History Month,

but it is Black History Month.

And I remember there's this clip of Morgan Freeman from a few years ago where he was like, I don't celebrate Black History Month because we should be celebrating Black History all the time.

And those are the kind of sentiments that like

you used to be able to get away with.

And I would agree with, where you go, no, I mean, I get that like why should I why should you need to tell me when to celebrate black history we could just do that all the time and then you find yourself in these times where it feels like they're actively trying to erase black history and you go this is why they desiccate this is how it and it takes you back to how you got here in the first place so you got all these people talking about DEI and all these things you go well how about we go back to why DEI exists because they were making sure black people couldn't get jobs and houses and everything So it had to be created.

It doesn't just exist for no reason.

Black History Month doesn't just exist for no reason.

We're taking some time out to acknowledge the contributions that black people made to this country because we are part of American history.

And we didn't feel that way because there was erasure.

We don't learn about the Tuskegee airmen like that in school and all these things.

So it's like, let's take a month where we're going to acknowledge the people.

who did amazing things to help to help make this country what it is.

Because if they had their way, they would make it seem like

we had no part in it yeah and we just got here we're slaves and then they then they were nice enough to stop letting us be slaves and then that was it now we're just out here whatever they think about us now

and there was a lady i can't remember her name i would give her credit but i watched i saw a video of her she was doing an interview and she said

she said black people are the stain on america that they just can't rub out

And that is why they want to roll back all these things and stop talking about black history because you can't celebrate American history without explaining who that black person is in the corner of all these pictures.

Yeah.

We're like, yeah, we came here, we conquered, we brought civility and all these things to this barren land and democracy and shit.

He's like, well, what is all these people that's in chains over here in this corner?

No, no, don't worry about that.

Or like in the late 1960s, it's like, oh man, yeah, you know, America, we went to the moon.

It was this amazing time of thoughtful rocket scientists and shit.

It's like, well, why y'all, what about all these videos of people throwing milkshakes and busting black people over the head with bricks because they're trying to eat at the lunch counter?

Yeah.

No, no, no.

So it's like, we're always there

reigning on their parade of like celebrating the accomplishments of the West.

Because there's this class of people that were treated like shit and continue to be treated like shit.

And so you don't get to celebrate your things that you think you're doing so great because you always got to sit here and annoyingly explain like, oh, yeah, yeah, those are the people we brought over here in boats.

And then we like abandoned them to their own devices and then some people found a way and a lot of people didn't because they were so disenfranchised and then we assassinated their leaders and stuff and then you know burned down the cities that they try to make for themselves but don't worry about that have you ever heard of the ford f-150 you know we made that

so um

yeah i i will be celebrating black history month a little harder this year because

You know, you never know

when they will make it cease to exist.

You know, that's a that's a real possibility.

And I'm not speaking, I'm not being hyperbolic.

These are the times that we live in.

They might next week just be like, yo, we're going to no more Black History Month.

Like, celebrate Black History on your own time.

That's a personal thing.

That shouldn't be required.

That's where we are.

So

it's crazy.

Yeah, it's very crazy.

So this week we're going to be discussing

a dark time in American history.

This is the story of the Mississippi Burning murders.

I think that this is a very timely story as far as when you talk about DEI and voting disenfranchisement and all the things that people have been complaining about over the last couple of years and the fears about

people's

voting rights being attacked and under siege and everything.

This is a real instance of that.

This is an example of it and how violent it could get.

So on May 25th, 1964, members of the Council of

Federated Organizations, or the COFO, and its member organization, the Congress of Racial Equality, or CORE,

the members Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner spoke to the congregation at Mount Zion Methodist Church in Longdale, Mississippi about setting up a freedom school.

Schwerner implored the congregation to register to vote saying, you have been slaves.

too long.

We can help you free yourselves.

This is 1964.

These people in Mississippi, they didn't have the right to vote in Mississippi.

Like, he was going to speak into black people.

They were disenfranchised, and they had no participation in the American process.

So they just got whatever scraps came.

They built their own school, whatever.

They had no help from the government.

So in June of 1964,

this was the start of Freedom Summer, which was a three-month initiative.

to register southern black voters, which was led by this federation.

And Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner were two people that were sent down to Mississippi to

galvanize black people to get out and

register to vote.

I think we did a story a while ago about

a white woman who was like leading yeah, she was on the freedom buses and things like that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They ended up killing her.

This is very similar.

This is a very similar story.

Yeah, so they were trying to get black people to fight against their disenfranchisement.

And you can imagine how well that went over in fucking middle of nowhere, Mississippi.

Yeah.

So on Sunday, June 7th, 1964, nearly 300 KKK members met near Raleigh, Mississippi.

White Knights Imperial Wizard Samuel Bowers addressed his audience about what he described as a nigger communist invasion of Mississippi.

Damn.

That he expected to take place in a few weeks in what Corps had announced as Freedom Summer.

So basically, they got win.

They're like, yo, these dudes are coming down here.

These commies, these communists are coming down here trying to put all these crazy ideas in the black people's minds, and we're not going to have it.

So the men, obviously.

The wizard's like the top, right?

Yeah, that's not the man.

Yeah, that's the man.

A wizard.

Yeah, that's

a wizard.

An imperial wizard.

Nerd.

But will, but will, but filled with hatred.

Yeah, such whimsical, magical terms, and they're like, yo, I will murder a child.

Like, I'm evil.

How do you get there, though?

How do you become a wizard?

How do you get there?

Oh, man, crazy racism.

You got to be like, get all your badges.

Yeah.

It's like a

spit on a black boy that's looking a lollipop.

Go and like kick an old black woman down the steps while she's getting out of church.

It's like gang rank.

Yeah,

putting that word.

You got to put in word.

You got to get your stripes.

Nah.

Yeah, stripes.

Nah.

Going.

Wizard inspire.

You probably got some bodies.

Oh, yeah.

The wizard?

Yeah.

Yeah.

No question.

No question.

Because all these men listen to you.

When you speak, they're like, no, he really is about it.

He's about that.

He's the wizard.

So, yeah.

Nobody beats the wiz.

So.

Are there any wizards alive right now?

Hell yeah, man.

They might be in Congress right now.

That is true.

So anyway.

So these men obviously listen to Bowers.

He's an Imperial Wizard.

So he listened to Bowers.

And when he said, This summer the enemy will launch his final push for victory in Mississippi.

This sounds like familiar rhetoric.

And there must be a secondary group of members standing back from the main area of conflict, armed and ready to move.

It must be an extremely swift, extremely violent, hit-and-run group.

So, they were organizing and strategizing

political violence.

Edgar Ray Killen, who was a 39-year-old Baptist preacher and sawmill owner, went to Meridian earlier that Sunday to organize and recruit men for the job to be carried out in Neshoba County.

So he's going and

this is a preacher going to go find a few good men that are down to go bash some black people that are trying to organize and communists.

Wow.

So on June 16th, 1964, the Klan in Mississippi was after Michael Schwerner, one of the guys that came down to help try to spread democracy to black people in Mississippi.

Yeah.

The KKK learned of his voting.

Does the KKK still exist, though?

Does it still exist?

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Under the name of the colours.

I mean, like, no,

they've rebranded.

No, they've rebranded, and that's the scary part.

They've rebranded into white nationalists.

who have that haircut, which I feel bad about.

Like the J.J.

Reddick,

it used to be just a nice haircut, but I will tell you right now: if you are a person that listens to this podcast and you are

a nice white man, if you got that part on the side and they slip all that shit over and you get the fade, I'm like, no, this man is full of violent racism.

With the shadow,

with the shadow beard, oh my god, what?

Yeah, yeah, you, you, I look at that guy, I'm like, if you catch him, he might just start talking about some shit like, well, you know, uh, black people got extra bone in their foot.

I think we do have extra bone.

I got extra bone in my foot.

These guys promote crazy race science about white men being superior and the brains.

They went from just being loud and ignorant to like, I'm going to take a sliver of science that I read one time and base it in racism to try to sound intellectual.

That's the thing these days.

People take a 1% of some shit they learned and like extrapolate into a whole philosophy about why you shouldn't exist.

And so

KKK might not exist.

Why black people shouldn't exist.

Why black people shouldn't exist?

Why gay people shouldn't exist?

A whole bunch of stuff.

But the KKK might be in low numbers because they're all just like, well, you know, why don't we go over here?

We get to have nice haircuts and wear suits and feel smart.

So we'll just become in one of these groups like

the Stormfront or they got all kind of new groups now.

Where it's like, I'm not in the Klan.

I just believe that white people should be with white people and black people should be with black people.

But I'm not a fucking, even them, they'd be like, I'm not some fucking dirty, toothless KKK member.

Like they look at clan members like they're dirty.

Hmm.

I wonder why that

because they want to be taken serious.

They want to be the elite white people.

So they can't be seen as like fucking pumpkins.

They gotta be like, no, I wear a suit.

You know, I cut my hair.

I'm groomed.

Yeah.

But the same wild shit is in my head.

Yeah.

All day I'm thinking about like, how do we get black people out of here?

Mexican people, they got these criminals to eradicate them.

That's wild.

Yeah.

That's scary, too.

It's mad scary because it's become normalized.

And these are people that are getting positions like

as

senators and stuff.

They're coming for real power, not just scaring people and throwing firebombs into movie theaters.

They're like, I'm going to change the laws.

So, yeah.

Interesting times.

Anyway, back to the wizards.

The wizards.

So this Baptist preacher, a man who preaches the word of God, went out and organized a bunch of people that are like, we're going to fucking hit these people with bricks and bats and stuff.

So they were after one of these organizers of the core

voting

initiative in Mississippi for Freedom Summer to get black people to get out and

advocate for themselves and vote.

They're being intimidated into not voting.

So he's coming down there being like, oh, you guys have a lot of low voter turnout.

Why is that?

And they're like, because if we go to the vote, the polls, they will hit us with sticks and spray us with hoses.

Now, they still went out there and fought for that right.

They went out there and did the damn thing.

So I agree that we should not, in vain, choose to sit out in elections when people like straight up got murdered for the right.

But also, I understand people that are like, man.

Even after we got the right, they terrorized my family.

And so

we just never were taught to go out and vote.

We never saw it as a civic duty like everybody else.

Anyway, I'm rambling.

So the plan was to lure Corps members to Neshoba County.

So they assaulted congregants and torched Mount Zion Methodist Church, burning it to the ground.

And Mount Zion Methodist Church was this

black church.

It was a black church where they would meet up and

the guys from Corps would come and like, you know, give motivational speeches.

Hey guys, like we're going to get out and vote for these things and really like motivate people.

They burned that bitch to the ground.

And on June 20th, Michael Schwerner, along with James Cheney and Andrew Goodman, met at the Meridian COFO headquarters before traveling to Longdale to investigate the burning of Mount Zion Church.

Because again, they know what's going on.

Like they know like this shit is.

This is not the freedom summer we thought it was going to be like this shit is crazy.

So they knew already like when they heard the church burned down this was the KKK

trying to send the message: don't, whatever y'all are doing down here, get the fuck out of here.

So, Cheney was African-American.

Goodman and Schwerner were both Jewish.

Schwerner told COFO Meridian to search for them if they did not get back by 4 p.m.

So they're like, we're going to go check something out.

If we're not back by this time, something happened.

The next day, they interviewed several witnesses and went to meet with fellow activists.

So at around 5 p.m.

on June 21st, after driving into Philadelphia, Mississippi, which what?

The three civil rights workers, Cheney, Goodman, and

Schwerner,

were arrested by Cecil Price.

a Neshoba County deputy sheriff for allegedly speeding.

Just got them on some bullshit.

Come on.

You already know what's up.

Yeah.

First of all, a black dude riding around with these two white dudes with curly hair, y'all must be from out of town.

So y'all must be the guys we're looking for.

One of these dudes

got the haircut, though.

One of the guys that's on, that's in

Corps?

Yeah.

Schwerner or Goodman, one of the two?

Yeah.

Okay.

Well,

this predates what I know, but I'm just saying.

It's just the haircut.

Yeah, he had the haircut.

So they got pulled over for speeding.

At around 10.30 p.m.

that same day, Cheney, Goodman, and Schwerner were released and drove off in the direction of Meridian in a blue station wagon.

So I really want the, I want people to understand this.

They got arrested at 5 o'clock by a police officer.

He held them for five hours

and then released them in the middle of the night.

And then they were never seen again.

All three of them.

All three of them.

Yeah, yeah.

So to me.

That's the one with the haircut, too.

That's the one.

Who is?

Goodman.

Goodman.

Yeah.

Right.

So to me,

this is all but straight up confirmed.

But to me, Cop

pulls them over, holds them until they can get their men organized and be like, yo, we're up the road.

Let's and then so he's like, okay, bet.

Let them go.

And then

they'll intersect with the Klan's members up the road once they get released at 10 o'clock that night.

So he picked them up on some bullshit, held them until they could get organized outside of the police station.

That's crazy.

And then the police is like, all right, you know what?

Hey, man, never mind.

Y'all weren't speeding now.

And they're like,

okay.

Yeah, get out of here.

It's 10 o'clock at night.

Just like, yeah, go.

Get out of here.

So, yeah.

So after being released, they were followed by local law enforcement and others, all affiliated with the KKK, wow forming a deadly caravan

the workers arrived at pilgrim's store where they might have been inclined to stop and use a telephone booth but the presence of a mississippi highway patrol car most likely dissuaded them so they continued south to meridian so that's crazy right

you see this convoy of

trucks and shit following you and when you think you might try to go pull over and ask for help one of the cars in the convoy is a police officer.

So, you still have to weirdly, this is why I'm like, I couldn't imagine living in these times where you go, so the police is with the clan?

Yeah.

What do you do with them?

Because it's like, all right, well, if one of them comes up to me, I'm going to hit him with a brick.

You can't just hit the cop with a brick.

Yeah.

So, you got to weirdly respect his authority, but also understand that, like, he's on their side.

Right.

So, that's like, who's the help?

Who would you even call if you did go to the phone?

Call the police.

police what if they what if they

goodman and shorner

had to turn on the being white they can't like

but what if they're niggas they're nigger lovers and excuse my language but this is i know but i'm just saying and this in this moment you go you know i i mean you like you kind of like apologize or something like that hey man actually we're about to go beat the shit out of this guy I don't know if you guys knew that, but we're about to go beat him up ourselves.

I mean, that's the best chance you got.

Maybe they're dumb enough to believe that.

Like, are you serious?

Yeah, man, we picked him up.

Like, we've been doing a long Kong.

We went to college together.

He was in my wedding party.

He thinks he's friends with us, but we're about to go beat the shit out of him in the woods.

So don't even worry about it.

You guys can fall back.

Like, we got him.

White power.

And they're like, okay.

Are you Jewish?

It's never, would never, Jewish.

What?

No, hell no, man.

So we're just going to go beat the shit out of this black dude and you guys can disperse and go do your thing.

That's the best chance they have.

But anything of like turning on white when you got this black dude that you're friends with and y'all are from out of town,

I don't know what you could say, really.

To these kind of people, once you do something like that, like affiliate and try to help black people, you're not even white anymore.

Yeah, you're a white traitor.

Yeah, you're a traitor.

They might hate you more.

I think they do.

Yeah, they might hate you more.

That's crazy, man.

Yeah.

So after a quick rendezvous with Philadelphia police, Philadelphia, Mississippi, Philadelphia police officer Richard Willis, Cecil Price began pursuing the men in his police car.

So Cecil Price is the guy that pulled them over.

So when he gets to talking with them, they're like, you know, we're about to go kill all of them.

It's like, what?

But without me?

Hell no.

He gets in his car and goes and speeds to catch up with the fucking group of people.

This is crazy.

They all want to.

This shit is.

It's like, bro, this shit is straight up evil, bro.

Straight up.

It's like a

some type of like weird like medal of like honor or something yeah yes and the sick part we i think we've talked about this before but it's like

and

in the world we live in today there are people that just want you to believe like and one day a president like signed a piece of paper and all these people just disappeared like one day we all just decided not to be racist anymore like no no

that's just not true you might not be able to legally be upfront publicly racist like you used to be able to but like all these people still existed they didn't go anywhere they had children they raised children with these beliefs and they had to be covert about it and find ways to

do it in secret and and and build their own spaces to exclude black people and brown people and whatever but like they didn't just i would love to see that day in history where everybody in the world just came together and was like, you know something, man?

We're going to, racism's over.

Because that's what, that's the freedom a a lot of people seem to have walking around this country.

Like, yeah, man, y'all still on that?

Y'all still out here being victim,

having that victim mentality, man.

Listen, man, uh, when's the last time racism stops somebody from being able to do something?

And I'm like, ball down.

I mean, that's a crazy thing to say, bro.

Like, like, that's wild.

That's mad gaslighting.

Yeah.

You know, that means they just can't tell, though.

Like, they don't.

It's a different POV.

It's different.

It's a perspective thing.

Yeah.

I heard a great analogy.

Somebody was like,

Sidney Sweeney, who was like a a popular Hollywood actress.

She's like very chesty.

And they were.

She's beautiful.

Yeah, yeah.

She's very popular with men.

She's popular with everybody.

She's talented, but like men, she's like, everybody says like she's like a man.

She was like directed by a man.

Like a man created her in their mind.

She like works on cars and everything.

Everything is like, this is a dude's idea.

But anyway, somebody was like,

Sidney Sweeney.

grew up in life and from an early age she noticed that men started to treat her different when she got to a certain age.

Hugs started lasting a little bit longer.

Guys started talking to her differently from, I mean, 12,

you know, like a kid.

And they went, imagine somebody telling Sidney Sweeney like, no, that guy wasn't being inappropriate with you or like, you don't know what you're talking about.

It's like her lived experience and her body and her walking around in life.

She's seen these things enough to be like, yeah, this dude's a pig.

This dude's going to try to get something off me.

I got to watch my background, this guy.

Because it's happened to her from such an early age.

So imagine telling a black person, like, no, man, you think the cops are out to get you?

And they've been experiencing since from the time you've been identified 11 years old, they see you like you're 17 years old.

You know, the thing is statistically, like, most cops see black boys and girls like five years older than they are.

So you've been having interactions with police officers since you're 11 years old and they're treating you hostily because they're like, no, hey, man, up against the car, sit on the curb.

From early age,

and then somebody comes and tells you, like, nah, man, y'all are overreacting.

Y'all making stuff up.

It just, when they pull you over, just

comply.

I'm like,

you, you don't know how offensive that is to say because you don't know my experience with authority and how they've, how they come to me.

Yeah.

You know?

So

I just thought that was such a good analogy because I would never, like, imagine somebody telling Sidney Sweeney, like, nah, man, that dude was just being nice to you.

He just hugged you a little long because he likes your movie.

She's like, I know exactly what that hug is like you you can't tell me what

what my what i know right

so yeah i don't know i just thought that was like a fun like an interesting analogy so anyway so yeah so now the cop that pulled him over is is trying to speed up to get involved with the with the posse

price eventually caught the core station wagon heading west toward union Soon, he stopped them and escorted them north on Highway 19 back in the direction of Philadelphia, Mississippi.

Was you on foot?

Say again?

They still on foot?

No, they had a car.

Oh, they had a car.

They pulled over in a car.

But now they're getting pulled over again by the cop who had just pulled them over.

Fucking huh.

Right?

And now he's redirecting them.

The three.

That's the only way to go.

You really get them.

I ain't going to tell me which way I got supposed to go.

But keep in mind, it's also like 10 cars kind of in the, it's one of those situations where like, you know,

you don't really have control in the situation.

Then it's 1960s.

The car is not that fast.

So it's like, we can't step on the gas and get so it's like

15 cars behind us.

We might have to just

comply a little bit.

Yeah, I mean,

but now once you floor it, it's like, oh, it's on.

So I think maybe in their mind, they're like, maybe we could try to comply our way out of this situation until we find the opening.

So you get pulled over.

But again, like, nah, bro.

You get pulled over by the game.

You already know.

You see what's up.

This is not going to end well.

Yeah, you see what's up.

Then you get pulled over by the ball.

I'm one black man.

I'm flooring that shit.

You're gonna go down, you're gonna go down and fight.

Fuck it.

That's how I feel.

As soon as I get a whiff of like, no, this shit, something's not right, bro.

All these cars behind us.

Now, the cops come in.

He's pulling us over, like, telling us to go somewhere else to follow him.

Yeah, this shit.

Fuck that.

Put the pedal to the metal.

Mississippi.

It was 1964.

That's what I'll say.

I mean, I'm still not going to go, but it was 1964.

That wasn't that long ago.

That's nuts.

It wasn't that long ago.

So, yeah, so

the cop that pulled them over earlier that day now pulls them over again.

And he brings them to a secluded location.

They were quickly loaded into their station wagon and transported to Old Jolly Farm a few miles southwest of Philadelphia, where like a man-made body of water was under construction.

They were shot,

and then they were put in this dam and covered up with dirt using a bulldozer, abusing a bulldozer.

An autopsy of Goodman showed fragments of red clay in his lungs

and grasped fist,

suggesting that he was probably buried alive alongside the already dead Cheney and Schwerner.

Now, I want to read something because

these were activists, bro.

So

Andrew Goodman actually wrote a letter to his parents because he was so proud of the work that he was doing.

So this was on June 21st of 1964, the day before

they were murdered.

He wrote a letter to his parents,

Mr.

and Mrs.

Goodman.

He said, Dear mom and dad, I have arrived safely in Meridian, Mississippi.

This is a wonderful town, and the weather is fine.

I wish you were here.

The people in this city are wonderful, and our reception was very good.

All my love, Andy.

So it's just like this is a young

activist, man,

trying to make his mark on the world, do some good, do what he thinks is good, whatever you want to say.

You know, there's plenty of

well-meaning kids out here trying to do good work and be politically active today.

And I couldn't imagine one of these kids going out and trying to do good in the world and meet a fate like this.

Buried alive

with the dirt that you're buried in in your lungs because you're trying to breathe.

You're so desperate to breathe that you suck in dirt.

Yeah.

After all three of them were buried, Price, the officer, told the group, well, boys, you've done a good job.

You've struck a blow for the white man.

Mississippi can be proud of you.

You've let those agitating outsiders know where the state stands.

Go home now and forget it.

But before you go, I'm looking each of you in the eye and telling you this.

The first man who talks is dead.

If anybody who knows anything about this ever opens up his mouth to any outsider about it, then the rest of us are going to kill him.

Just as dead as we killed these three sons of bitches tonight.

Does everybody understand what I'm saying?

The man who talks is dead.

Dead.

Notified of the disappearances, the Department of Justice requested FBI involvement.

So this is where this shit gets crazy, right?

Because this shit is, is, keep in mind, this shit has been going on in Mississippi for decades.

Yeah.

Like black people turning up,

Emmett Hill, all the, like, just,

you say the wrong thing, look at the wrong person, you end up dead.

So, if you're black, anyway.

Right.

But they just killed two Jewish dudes from up from up north, right?

So when they called in the Department of Justice and the FBI, shit started moving.

So a few hours later, Attorney General, Attorney General Robert Kennedy,

not this guy we see on TV today.

Robert Kennedy asked the FBI to lead the case.

By late morning, the FBI had blanketed the area with agents and began intensive interviews.

This is the next day.

Was that two white men that got killed?

Well, not only were they two white men, but they were two white men who were involved in political organizations.

So they had some juice.

But yeah, I mean, yes, them being white was a major factor in like this being

an accelerated response.

Yeah.

So why so what was why you respond like that?

What do you mean?

Because you said, I said because it was white, but yeah, also because it was political.

Yeah, well, it wasn't, I mean, I'm sure the response would have been more than for the one black guy if they were white, but they were white, but they also, they were white and connected, is what I'm saying.

Like they were white and they were involved in some political.

They had some cash.

Okay.

Yeah, they just had, they not, they were like, they were like super white.

Super white.

Yeah, they were, they were like, yeah, these were like white plus.

So intelligence developed by the FBI led them to the remains of the burnt out station wagon.

Keeps had to burn it.

Yeah, they successfully burned it,

but they found it.

They were able to identify it.

So no bodies were found in the car.

So they feared the worst about, you know,

where are they?

Yeah.

The FBI launched a massive search for the young men, men, aided by the National Guard, through the swamps and the hollows, which they dredged, right?

And at the same time, they were putting pressure on known Klan members, like dudes that were like, I'm not secretive.

I don't even wear my hood when we go riding.

I'm happy to be known to be a Klan member.

So they started developing informants who could infiltrate the Klan.

The FBI also opened up a field office in Jackson, Mississippi.

They went down there and laid roots.

They were like, we're going to get this shit solved.

We're not going anywhere.

So that's like, you know, then you got

the Klan's members are in the police offices and the government office.

So they're like, man, we got to get these people out of here, bro.

We're feeling the pressure.

Yeah.

They're going to figure some shit out.

You know, all the crazy shit that we've done, horrible things.

We don't want them sniffing around too much.

So this is crazy, right?

Acting on a tip.

So first man that speaks is dead.

So they got a tip from somewhere.

Maybe it was an informant who infiltrated the clan.

But acting on a tip, the bodies of the three men were eventually exhumed 14 feet below uh the dam where they were buried at a local farm wow

they found in in en route to finding them when they were dredging other lakes and stuff trying to find them they found nine black people that they had nobody knew anything about like i don't mean nine and one i mean individually like they just kept finding like yeah this person got hung and thrown in a lake this like they just they found nine bodies that weren't the people they were looking for

but it took it took two white it took two white dudes getting killed

to get to to start this process and they found nine people that nobody they just were like yeah we were wondering what happened to him that's what i'm saying man i get they all politically politically connected but fuck that yeah they was white bro that's why she got kicked off like that yeah

nine damn nine bodies just in water dead popping up yeah damn that's crazy

so um more than a dozen suspects, including Deputy Price and his boss, Sheriff Rainey, were indicted and arrested.

Good.

This is about as good as it is.

In 1967, after the state government refused to prosecute,

the United States federal government charged 18 individuals with civil rights violations.

So

they refused to do due process in the state.

They were like, we don't have enough evidence to charge these people, but keep in mind, who's the judge?

Who's the you know what I'm saying?

Like, yeah, they might all be, we're all clan members, man.

Like, we're not prosecuting Earl, it's my man's.

So, like, we just can't find enough evidence, so we're not going to prosecute.

They were like, You're not going to prosecute, okay?

We're charging all of you guys with like misconduct, yeah,

and civil rights violations.

And then, on October 20th, 1967, following years of court battles, so keep so keep in mind, it was uh

1964,

the summer of 1964 when they were killed.

So three years later, after long court battles, seven of the 18 defendants were found guilty, including Deputy Sheriff Price, but none of them got murder charges.

They all got like conspiracy charges and

tampering with evidence.

So

nobody got more than eight years.

That's a joke.

So

seven of 18, and even those seven got like three years here, five years, eight years.

Slap on the rest.

Yeah, slap on the rest.

One major conspirator, Edgar Ray Killen, the Baptist preacher who organized a bunch of guys,

went free after a lone juror couldn't bring herself to convict a Baptist preacher.

Girl.

Bro, and this is the thing about...

religion, right?

So this man is objectively evil.

He organized a bunch of people to go out and murder people, but then he still gets to go up there and go, well, you know, I'm just a servant of the Lord and I didn't do this.

And a one woman

fell for that and was like, well, I can't.

If I put a preacher in jail, I'm going to go to hell.

And I cannot convict him.

That's a sin to be mean to preachers.

And so it was a hung jury or whatever.

Three men were killed.

That's crazy.

Three men were killed horribly.

They were shot and buried a lot.

You know, this shit is terrible.

She was like, no, but he's a preacher.

So I guess that's like a Hungarian one person didn't vote.

So, you know, you know, I'm not a

preacher.

So he can get away.

So he can have anonymity.

So he can get blanket immunity for killing people?

Yeah.

Possibly.

So outrage over the activist murder helped gain passage of the voting right.

the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

So there you go.

And I guess they had the right to vote, but maybe the Voting Rights Act assured them some

protections.

You know, I'm not going to sit and act like an expert.

You know, we went to Hartley University, so I hardly know how to do anything in this realm.

I hardly know how to read.

I hardly know how to speak.

So I'm not going to pretend like I understand every aspect of the Voting Rights Act.

But according to this,

they were down there for the summer of freedom.

to get people to vote.

So clearly you could vote, but maybe the Voting Rights Act gave you some protections.

Like they assured that you can't disenfranchise people from voting.

Yeah.

So I don't think it gave them the right to vote necessarily, but it protected their right to vote.

I think.

Could be wrong.

Valedictorian of Hartley University.

Fran just went there, you know, took some summer classes, a couple of credits.

I'm valedictorian.

I got my BS from Hartley University.

You graduated?

Yeah, I graduated with honors.

I got my BS.

That's that.

Boy, stop.

41 years after the murders took place, Edgar Ray Killen, the preacher, was charged by the state of Mississippi for his part in the crimes.

This was due heavily in part by a journalist, who I can't remember his name right now.

I'm really sorry.

But there was this journalist in the 1980s, this white guy, who found out about this story and just talked about it for 20 years straight.

Every chance he got, he worked for like a local newspaper and he kept talking about it until it started getting national attention.

Like, wait a minute, what happened?

So this guy, he organized this whole thing, and then these these people got killed and he's he's free and he him being persistent and never letting people forget about it

they um

they eventually in like the 19 like early 2000s or whatever they arrested this old man this footage of him being arrested he's old as like but they were like no you're gonna see justice man

right so um

On January 6th, 2005, Neshoba County

grand jury indicted him on three counts of murder.

When the Mississippi Attorney General prosecuted the case, it was the first time the state had acted against the perpetrators of the murders.

On June 21st, 2005, a jury convicted Killen.

This is a crazy name.

Edgar Ray Killen.

They convicted Killen on three counts of manslaughter.

He was described as the man who planned and directed the killing of three men.

Killen, who was then 80 years old, was sentenced to three consecutive terms terms of 20 years in prison.

And let me tell you something.

This is something that's really amazing.

So

Andrew Goodman actually came from a long line of activists.

Like his family was really,

I mean, you know, they knew what it was like to be persecuted.

So they were activists and stuff too.

And his mom was still alive when they convicted this man in 2005, in his 80s.

She came to the trial and she went up on that stand and she said,

I'm anti-capital punishment.

I'm just here because I want my son to get justice.

I think he should be arrested.

And I just want people to know my son was a good person.

He didn't do anything.

I'm not here to be vindictive.

She didn't forgive him or anything, but she was just there to say, I'm not here to say, kill him, fry him.

I'm anti-that.

I don't believe in capital punishment.

I'm here to say my son Andrew Goodman was a good man.

He didn't do anything wrong.

He was killed for no reason.

And, you know, I hope this guy spends the rest of his life in prison, but I do not want him to be murdered.

Yeah, I do not want him to be killed in stanks in state-sanctioned violence.

I do not, I do not agree with that.

That is wrong.

That's how about it she was.

She was like, I am, I am an, I am, I am a, I am an activist and I, and I believe in people's right to be alive.

I don't believe in the state being able to just unilaterally kill people, even the man that killed my son.

Yeah.

So, this 80-year-old man was, you know, sentenced to 20 years in prison.

He appealed in 2007, stating that no jury of his peers would have convicted him him in 1964 based on evidence presented.

That is the most, that right there, that is the America that people want to be great again.

He's like, back at, like, think about what he just said.

He appealed because he's like, if it was 1964, you think you could get a bunch of white people to convict me on this?

It would never happen.

This is not fair.

What happened to the America I know?

So his appeal was rejected by the Supreme Court of Mississippi.

And on June 20th,

and on June 20th, 2016, keep in mind, June 21st, 1964 is the year that those three men were killed.

On June 20th, 2016, Mississippi Attorney General Jim Hood and Vanita Gupta, top prosecutor for the Civil Rights Division of the U.S.

Department of Justice, said the investigation had ended, but would be taken up again if new information was received.

Killian died in prison in January of 2018.

Now, them coming out and saying that is basically like, we're done because this happened in 1964.

The man that they prosecuted in 2005 was 80 years old.

What do you mean if new evidence is received?

All of these people are dead or elderly.

Anybody who was driving the trucks that night following them, if they're alive, they're demented or old or senile.

He had prosecuted went in in 05.

Yeah,

he was found guilty and he was convicted in 2007.

No, I'm sorry.

He was convicted in 2005, yes.

Oh, so he went on to live for another like 10 years.

Yeah, like another 10 years.

He was like 92 years old.

Bro, that evil lingers sometimes.

Like, it's just like, you can't, it's hard to kill.

Evil.

Is that the secret?

He's a wizard.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, you forgot.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But I thought he's a preacher.

Well, he could be both.

Who says you can't be one without the other?

That's true.

He might have been a wizard preacher.

That's how he got extra juice.

The wizard preacher.

The wizard preacher.

Being Being evil racist

is the key of living.

Oh,

it's like AG1.

It's like natural greens flowing through your system.

That evil,

vile, vehement racism.

It's like an elixir.

Yeah.

Yeah.

For some.

I wonder if Betty White was racist because she hung on for a long time.

She didn't seem racist, but I don't know her behind closed doors.

But she was around for a long time.

That's true.

Yeah, she was holding on.

Thank you for being a friend.

But shout out to Betty White, man.

Unless she was racist, unless she was racist.

There's no evidence of, but so shout out to her.

Avoid all states, avoid all city-states.

Yeah, I don't want to.

All the cities that's not in the right state.

I'm named after major cities in other states.

Yeah, I don't want to live in.

I don't want to go to anywhere.

I don't want to go to Los Angeles, Indiana.

I don't want to go to any of this shit.

I'm definitely not going to anyplace like that.

It's like a little town that just

mad.

I don't know, man.

Somebody needs to make a TV show of that or something.

That's quite some some crazy shit.

A travel channel show?

Travel channel show.

Yeah, Paris, Texas, and

fucking, what is it?

Philadelphia, Mississippi.

Like, this is not like Philadelphia at all.

At all.

You get down there, you're like, how much opposite is it?

Like, this shit is not brotherly love at all.

They hate brothers down here.

So, yeah, so that was the Mississippi Burning Stories, man.

Rest in peace to those people, man.

Happy Black History Month.

Black History is American history.

These are the kind of stories.

Obviously, I want to celebrate George Washington Carver and Ida B.

Wells and all these incredible people, but stories like this speak to the journey of just trying to get basic human rights for black people in this country.

Like there was a lot of bloodshed and violence to even get to this point that we're at.

So to see people rolling back those accomplishments and trying to strip them away is very disheartening.

Because when you know how many people died and fought and got bit by dogs and got their heads split open with batons to get what the things are that are on the books today,

it really is disheartening hey man it's all it's all coming to light man yeah so um but yeah so that was the mississippi burning murder stories i think stories like this are important i think that american history and black history are intertwined you cannot separate them from each other because you don't like how it makes us look or whatever um that's not an option if you're going to tell the story you got to tell the whole story And as long as there are people here that know the whole story, you got to keep it going because they will do the best that they can to erase it.

They will tell you, you, oh, yeah, well, you know, we brought some people over here from Africa and we wanted to take them out of the crazy conditions they were living over there.

So we brought them over here.

We gave them religion and they worked and, you know,

they built things for America, but we fed them and things like that.

And then one day we decided to stop doing that and then just

let them become citizens.

If we do not fight

for the right to preserve history, the story of slavery in America in 100 years will be:

we came over here willingly and it was a great relationship, and we were all friends, but the plantation owner was kind of more like a boss, like a CEO,

and they were just workers.

They will let that be the story because they don't want people to feel bad.

They would rather not feel bad than tell the truth.

And so,

if you have an opportunity to tell the truth or learn the truth, you have to do that.

It is more important than ever.

anyway friend watch anything good lately hate to get so heavy but you know we started off about the chicken and everything you know so this is what we do here you know we go all the different ranges of emotions but now let's get to recommendations corner um

oh i started watching i did start watching paradise yes or as we call it in baltimore paradise yeah um

thoughts good man great show did you watch episode four

four no i didn't know it's the most recent one.

It's the most recent one.

It's the newest one.

It came out this week.

No, no, I'm still.

I had to go.

I had to rewind three.

You had to rewind three?

Yeah.

Four?

Banger.

The show's fantastic.

I just don't know if I'm missing anything.

So I'm like,

well, that's good.

The show hasn't let up, though.

Episode four, also another great one.

The show has not let up.

I love it.

Sterling K.

Brown is great.

James Marsden, the president, he's great.

He's likable sinatra

sinatra bro

my question is about her

is she's ilama what is she

she's just

self-made billionaire who's who made this city no but who

she's a um

she is she part of like some type of government or something or like no she represents the because this is this is her creation right so she so they had so james marsden is just like a mascot

because he was the president.

You know, I don't want to spoil the people.

Okay.

So they're comfortable with leaders.

She's the real leader.

She's like the Illuminati.

Got you, got you, got you.

Except she likes to be seen.

She's behind the scenes.

The president answers to her.

Right.

So Sinatra's like the real

deal.

Okay, gotcha.

Got you.

She's really calling the shots.

Yeah, yeah.

She's great, too.

Yeah.

She's like annoying.

She's kind of like

Marty Bird from Ozark.

Like neurotic and

whatever, but gets shit done.

So yeah, Paradise is really, really good.

I also

not to get,

this isn't for everybody, you know, if you like animation and trippy, sci-fi, conspiratorial.

Animation.

Yeah, there's this new show that just came out called Common Side Effects.

I never heard anybody say it like that, though.

Well, it's not an anime.

It is an anime, kind of.

It's an anime.

I just meant animation, like cartoons.

If you like cartoons, gotcha, gotcha, yeah.

If you like cartoons, but it's high quality.

It's a unique style.

It's called Common Side Effects.

It's this new show on Adult Swim, but you can watch it on Max.

It's about this guy who found a mushroom in the jungle

that can cure anything.

Broken bones, death, sickness.

And as a result, he's trying to

give this to the world but big pharma is trying to kill him because they're like if he if he gives this to the world

then people won't need our drugs yeah so they're actively trying to stop him from giving a cure a thing that will cure anything

and it's like funny it's a comedy but it's but it's deep though and it's trippy So common side effects in paradise, those are two things I've been really digesting recently and I've really been enjoying.

So you've been paradise.

That's the strong one right now.

That's the main one.

Yeah, I got a

can't be jumping around, man.

I don't know.

Yeah, well, I can't.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Also, I will say this, man.

We haven't had any of these opportunities really,

at least on the podcast.

I wanted to check in about fatherhood.

Yeah.

Because every now and then I have these like.

I just catch myself crying.

Okay.

And I had one recently.

It was like in a nice way.

It's like a, it's like like a good, it's like a positive thing, but I, I, I, I know that you will understand, maybe you'll understand my thought.

You might never have had it in this way.

I don't know, but we'll see, right?

So

I was holding Oliver and I was, um,

he was falling asleep and I was just sitting there.

And then I was like, um,

I got upset because I was like,

he's never going to meet

this kid that I've fallen so much in love with.

So like one day he'll be three

and this baby will be gone.

Like, yeah.

And he doesn't know this baby.

He won't know this baby.

So, I won't be able to even explain to him how fun this baby is that I'm hanging out with right now.

Yeah.

He's so fun and smiling and everything.

And someday that'll be some

kid that I tell my son about that I used to hang out with and was so fun that he could fit in my arm.

It's a little,

you know, and even that, that little basket is like it used to be closer to me.

And now that's expanding, like, how much arm I need to hold him.

Yeah.

But yeah, someday

he'll ask about what it was like when he was a baby.

And that's like, that's like a different person.

Yeah.

He'll be a different person.

Like, so, like, Max right now is like, Max is now isn't baby Max.

Right.

And he doesn't know who the hell that is.

Yeah.

And then someday Max will be like 11 and he won't remember being four.

Yeah.

So even the Max you're hanging out with now.

He he'll never know that.

It's like a different kid.

Yeah.

So you you know all these different kids and they keep become different people, and then you, then one day you don't get to see them anymore.

Like, one day, four-year-old Max, that's fine and shooting basketball, he'll be 13.

And it's like, those are two different people, and you just have to mourn that four-year-old kid, yeah.

And I, I, I just was like shedding tears while I was holding my son because I was like, you, I don't, he will be gone someday.

Like, this baby won't be here, he won't be a baby anymore.

Yeah, so that's when you're going to get that's when you're going to have another one.

That's what that was that what they say i don't know i wasn't crying that hard uh

you actually you actually snapped me out of whatever thing i was having right now

because it's not that no i mean i get that man i it's it's uh that's why pictures and videos are huge man you got to make sure you you have those because like we'll be like we'll just be chilling in the house and then like I got like a widget on my phone where like, you know, it'll change, the pictures will change, and then something will pop up, a random picture.

And I go, oh, shit, that was when he was two or one.

And then you kind of show them and then there's times you go through videos on your phone and then you go like oh remember this and you kind of watch it and yeah that's before this is before they can talk and all kinds of but like yeah man taking videos and pictures man you you don't because that's it's a memory man because like they grow and that's that's pretty much all you have at that point because i told you man like

When he was born and then now like that doesn't told you they they look totally different That does not look like the same just visually doesn't like the same person

But yeah, man, you got to make sure you

kind of find a way to hold on to those memories, man.

But I get that.

The only problem, the time I had when,

and this is kind of different from when, different from what you're talking about, I had a time when

I think, I don't think I did this with Max.

I think I did it with Sophie when she was a.

not a, I think she maybe was like one or something like that, but like there was times where I woke up just in tears, like falling out crying, crying, because I'm like, cause I had this, I had this thought of like, I don't know if it was a dream or nightmare, I don't remember what it was, but it was a, it was a time I was going through where I was like,

I have to,

I have to make sure I'm, I have to do my best and kind of control what I control to make sure I'm here.

Because if I'm not here, it was just like, I don't even know why I was going through that at the moment.

And it was just like, I can't, I can't go.

I can't, I cannot, because like, what are they, what is she supposed to do with it when I, if I'm not here?

Or like her and her mom, like, I was like, and I was just waking up and just crying.

I'm like,

I mean, I get why I was doing it, but like, me waking up out of a sleep and just being like, I got to go to the other room and kind of get myself together.

Yeah.

Like, that was, I don't even know.

I never even like looked up why that was happening or like, if has anybody else ever went through that?

But it was just like.

It was, it was, I guess, because Sophie was like my first child and she was a baby and stuff.

I don't know what, I don't know what it was, but I can't explain it.

But that shit was, I went through that for maybe maybe like a couple of weeks and I kind of got past it.

But that, those couple weeks was, it was, I don't know what was happening, but it was just like, I cannot, I can't go.

I just, I don't know why.

I just don't know why I was having that thought, but I was like, I cannot leave this child

without a father.

I don't know why I was going through it, but it was so weird.

And I was like.

And

I just never talked about it because I never heard anybody else bring up something like that before.

So it was just, yeah.

No, I get it, man.

Like,

I don't, maybe we're not in the right groups or something like that, but I don't really hear about how emotional this shit makes you.

Yeah.

And now I've experienced it.

Like, I mean, I knew it was like an emotional experience, but I mean, like, literally the week that he was born, that Billie Eilish song, Birds of a Feather,

which I had heard that song a thousand times.

But I, once he was born, I just heard it.

You heard, you hear it

different.

Like you really hear it about like,

I, one day I'm not going to be here.

Yeah.

And so I want to enjoy every, you know, every minute I can enjoy.

Yeah.

And then I don't even want to come to terms with that idea of, like,

one day I'm just going to be gone.

Yeah.

And you just got to figure that out.

Yeah.

And I don't want that to happen.

Right.

And that's like, yeah, and that will like consume you.

Yeah, for sure.

You know, it's all that stuff when people are like, yeah, I sold my bike or like, I get all that shit now.

Yeah.

Yeah, I don't do, I don't, I used to be a bungee jumper.

I squit.

Yeah, man.

As soon as I had my kid, I'd stop doing that.

Stop ride motorcycles and shit like that.

Yeah, like, yeah, because

this is dumb.

A day still motorcycle.

He was like, yeah, I kind of, he got an accident too, but he was just like, yeah, I kind of get, I had to have it.

I had to let that go.

I can't.

Yeah.

Because, like, you had, it's not even about being young.

It's just like, you got to become more responsible.

You can't just be out here doing crazy shit.

Yeah.

Living like you have no responsibilities now.

Like, no, that's just, that's, that's, that's just not a thing.

Yeah, it's like we all got to go, but if you are, have a family that you're responsible for and you're actively doing things, it's like

deadly,

I don't see how you do that because the thoughts that I have in my head all the time, like, well, you know,

I'm going to how I drive, everything.

It changed everything about me.

I'm like, you know, it's not even, yeah, it's not, but it's also not even about, it's not about that either.

It's like just little shit.

It's like,

I don't play basketball as much because I'm like, if I blow a knee,

it's a wrap.

Like, I got to feed my family.

I got to, like, it's a, I can't be out here jumping around going crazy no more, bro.

You just can't play basketball every now and then, sure, but like, how we used to, like, that's not a thing anymore.

I can't, if I, if I blow a knee out, bro, I'm, I can't,

my job allows me walking.

If I can't walk, I can't fucking work.

My kids don't eat.

Look at hell yeah.

Look at it.

Look at it.

I used to be 19 years old, bro.

Not a care in the world.

Now I'm like, well, you know, I can't get sick right now.

I can't

just go into this crowd of people because if I get sick, then I can't go to work and my son is going to starve.

I go to the extreme.

It may not be extreme.

It might not be that extreme, but like, you just can't, you can't help it.

Yeah.

Really can't help it.

I'm constantly thinking about it.

And then I'm constantly like

on the brink of tears all the time.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They're happy tears, but it's also sad tears at the same time.

It's just hard.

It's here.

It's just like.

Yeah.

It's kind of, it's good to kind of have somebody else to have those comments.

Cause like I have other friends who have kids, but I don't talk to them as much.

So it's like, it's kind of cool to have somebody else to talk to about things like this who like, who was kind of like starting from the beginning.

Yeah.

So it's like, and then you bring up certain things and I go, oh yeah, I did.

I kind of,

I wasn't, okay, I wasn't the only one having those type of feelings or going through that thing at the time or whatever.

So, like, that's all, it's always good to hear shit like that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, yeah, that's one of the check-in.

We should do that more often.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I was just having that thought and I was like, man, shit is.

Why am I crying, bro?

Sean, look, I just got a little YouTube lullaby music on.

Yeah.

Just fed him a bottle, put him down.

Yeah.

Because, man,

snoring, head was falling back.

Yeah, man.

You see him, you're like, bro, I'm I've created this person, this beautiful human being, right here, who does who does no harm, like it's just it's crazy, bro.

Like, I mean, until they get older and they start breaking shit and all kinds of stuff, and

then that kind of stuff kind of, you know, it fades away a little bit, but that's what I'm saying.

I'm like, I would love for you to

have met

if you could have met the kid that I was holding some time ago, you out here scribbling crayons and shit on the wall.

Yeah, this baby would never do that.

No, Now look at your hair wilding.

You got to meet him.

He would teach you a lot of stuff about being calm.

No.

Sophie, I don't know who that is.

When she,

my first born, man, when she was a little girl, and then she was just as sweet.

And just, I come home and she runs to the door now.

She's like, hey, dad.

I get it.

It's not, it's not, I don't take it personal, but I go, like, all right, I can't hug none.

Damn.

You like, you're like, baby, Sophia would never let me just come in this door unhugged.

used to be like the the president walked in the room

hey got any food

can i get this like

i just damn i just got home can i

sit down nah i ain't can i get a hey yeah

when they grow up bro it's different so just take it all in yeah he start moving around boy and talking and

i'm helpless man But yeah, anyway, this has been another episode of Affirmative Murder, the Equal Opportunity True Crime Comedy Podcast.

Folks, we're going to London, Crime Con.

Yeah, in June.

Yeah.

Code affirmative if you're going to be there.

Use it or lose it.

I don't know what that means.

That doesn't mean anything.

But we'll see you next week, guys.

Bye.

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