An Interview with Tony Hawk

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Hello.

Hi there.

We're excited.

Yeah, if you read the episode description for today's episode, you're in the right place.

Yes.

So here's the thing.

We have a very special guest today.

Yeah, it is skateboarding legend Tony Hawk.

I mean, I don't think you can even mention skateboarding without immediately thinking of Tony Hawk.

He's the most famous skateboarder, of course.

Yes.

Yeah.

I mean, he started skating professionally when he was just 14.

He is a pioneer of the sport.

He helped popularize and evolve the sport of skateboarding.

for like over 40 years.

And he's still skateboarding today.

Yes.

Yeah.

He is also a successful entrepreneur in the skateboarding industry.

He He created birdhouse skateboards, hawk clothing, and his hugely successful video game, Tony Hawk's Pro Skater.

And he is the founder of the nonprofit Skate Park Project.

That is his philanthropic mission to help underserved communities create safe and inclusive public skate parks for all youth.

I love that.

I love it.

I mean, I talked to Tony about it

because I spent a lot of my high school years at skate parks because my first boyfriend was a skateboarder.

How about that, you guys?

Did you know Jenna would hang out at skate parks?

I found that out when we started talking about having Tony Hawk on.

Yeah.

I did not know that about you.

It's so weird.

And, you know, getting to talk to him and all of it, it brought up so many memories for my youth.

After we did the interview with him, I took a picture with him and I just sent it to my,

wait, can I tell everyone what you said?

You said, Tony, can I take a picture with you for my boyfriend from high school?

Yeah, I just want to send it to him with no explanation.

So I actually don't have his contact information, but I sent it to the three girls from high school.

I'm going to shout them out.

Kim, Sarah, and Ellen, the four of us would hang out at the skate park with our skateboarding boyfriends.

And so I sent it to them.

What did they say?

And my friend Ellen wrote back, this is like a photo of my high school years in a nutshell.

And my friend Sarah said, what is happening?

Exactly.

You all might be thinking, what is happening?

So we should probably share how this interview came about.

When you think Tony Hawk, you probably don't think Office Ladies.

Office Ladies.

Yes.

About a year ago, we got word that Tony Hawk wanted to be a guest on Office Ladies.

And we were like, what, what, what?

But

we couldn't believe it.

He's an icon.

He's one of these radars.

Tony Hawk.

He's Tony Hawk.

It turns out he's a huge office fan.

We couldn't even believe that Office Ladies was on his radar.

Yeah.

But here was the thing, you know, we were in that last stretch of the office rewatch.

We were building up to the finale.

I was finishing up chemotherapy.

So it took us a few months of trying to schedule Tony.

We've been going back and forth and back and forth.

And finally, it has all come together and he joined us in studio in person.

In person.

All six foot three of him.

was in our studio.

He's so tall.

I wasn't prepared for how tall.

I have heard he's tall, but you know, I'm so short.

So when he walked in, I was like, oh my God, you're Tony Huck.

Oh my God, you're so tall.

So yeah, I mean, it was such a delight to have him in the studio.

We talk about the office.

We talk about his career as a skateboarder, all the things he's learned along the way.

He's such an interesting person.

And he's had to pivot so many times in his life.

And Jenna and I could really relate to that.

Yeah, I found it very inspirational.

And you should all know that the newest version of his video game, Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 and 4, is out July 11th of this year.

Yes, you can pre-order it now on Xbox Series XS, Xbox One, PlayStation 4 and 5, Steam, Battle.net, Microsoft PC Store, and Nintendo Switch.

Lady, my friend Buffy, who's a skateboarder, said a bunch of her friends are skaters that are featured in the game and they had so much fun being a part of it and that it's going to be really, really awesome.

I mean, it looks so cool.

I watched a little video of a behind the scenes of making it.

And, you know, they put Tony in one of those suits with the little,

like, I don't know, what are they?

They're like little camera balls like all over them.

Yeah, like how they do avatar.

Yeah.

Where they put the little balls on people.

I want to do that just once.

Oh, you want to be a ball person?

I want to have the little camera balls, but I don't know what my expertise would be.

Like, because it's always something sort of fantastical or sports or I know.

Well, we need to get you in like a fantasy movie just, right?

Please, Lord, from her mouth to your ears.

Camera balls on answering

on a fantasy film, please.

Please.

Putting it out there.

Putting it out there.

Well, you know, my sons know about this game.

They're very excited about the new version coming out.

And Tony shared with us a little bit about just the music that's part of it.

Yeah, it has an amazing soundtrack and it features a variety of new skate parks.

They added a water park.

So cool.

By the way, if you haven't seen the HBO documentary Until the Wheels Come Off about Tony Hawk, it is incredible.

Incredible.

It is all about his life and career.

It was made by the amazing Sam Jones.

It features tons of interviews from different skateboarders, from members of the Bones Brigade, which is the skateboarding group he skated with when he was younger.

It's going to be a great two hours of your life.

Highly recommend.

So great.

Josh had seen it a while back and he was like, before we even knew Tony was going to be on, he was like, Angel, this is a great documentary.

You've got to watch it.

And there's also just so much footage of Tony growing up.

You know, you really realize how much skateboarding, how much of his life it spans since he was nine years old.

I also really loved how the documentary got into his relationship with his father and the way that his father was so supportive of his skateboarding.

It was something that he had that not a lot of skateboarding kids have.

Yeah.

And it was really cool.

So, you guys, we were.

really nervous to interview Tony because like we said, he is one of the greatest athletes of all time.

He is a total legend, but he was so wonderful.

And we had such a nice time talking to him.

We're so excited to share this interview with you.

I mean, I still can't believe it really happened.

I can't either.

But let's take a break.

And when we come back, it's our interview with Tony Hawk.

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Hello.

Hi.

Tony Hawk.

I'm here.

In the studio at Office Ladies.

Can't believe it.

Well, I can't either.

I mean, I'm excited.

I can believe it because it was on my calendar for a while, but and then I also rescheduled.

I apologize.

No, we are so excited.

Thank you.

Jen and I are both just trying to play it cool because we're really big fans.

And I mean, you're kind of a bigger than life person for us.

And so this is really amazing.

Oh, I appreciate it.

You guys are legends and part of a TV legacy that I don't think will ever be topped.

Truly.

It's unreal.

I mean, Berlin, like I speechless,

those words come out of your mouth.

It's just like so crazy.

Oh, honestly.

I mean, I'll jump right into it, but I watched it obviously from day one.

And then when my daughter got to be the age where she appreciated it, it, COVID hit and we just went all the way through from the very beginning to the end.

And it was a really special time to share with my daughter.

Yeah.

Because it was, you know, COVID, school, stuck in your room, everything.

And that was something that we did every day.

It was really cool.

So thank you.

So you watched it when it was originally on, but then you recently did the whole binge.

Well.

Is that recent now?

2020?

Recent dish?

Right.

Don't, let's let's i don't know about my retainment of knowledge but yeah it was pretty recent i mean we heard you were a super fan of the office um there is a reddit thread called tony hawk is a fan of the office i think really yes yes yes i guess you said in an interview uh one time oh how the turntable turns or something oh yeah everyone like jumped on that yes um it started a thread oh how the turntables yeah exactly that's it you don't even know the quote i got it wrong i always get it wrong

well i have an office related question for you.

If you could only watch one episode for the rest of your life.

I knew this was coming.

What would you pick?

Okay, I was going to go for the low-hanging fruit of Booze Cruz.

That's a very good choice.

Yes.

And then my wife and I recently watched Casino Night.

Oh, that's a good one.

So good.

That was it.

Yeah.

That was my choice.

Yeah.

Oh, no, no.

I take it back.

I'm sorry.

We watched Casino Night and then we realized dinner party.

Dinner party is the best.

You're You're naming three like of the top.

Okay, but dinner party was like the absurdity and the idea that you get to see them and their element and their living space.

That was the best.

Yeah, that was one of the most fun episodes that Jenna and I did.

And I mean, we love the show.

We love the conference room scenes and party planning committee and just all of it.

Oh, no, at their house.

But dinner party, like walking into Michael and Jan's condo, like you can't unsee that.

Like that's, that lives with you forever.

Yeah.

What was the first episode you ever saw of The Office?

Do you remember?

I saw it from the beginning.

So I learned about The Office.

I mean, not to brag or anything, but I was in London doing a bunch of interviews and press for our video game around 2002-ish, maybe 2003.

And the two guys that were signed to take me around all the UK press were from the same area where the UK office was shot.

Okay.

Okay.

And they're like, you have to watch this show.

It defines our work life.

It is exactly what happens.

And Ricky Gervais is amazing.

Stephen Murchison, like you have to do it.

And by the time that I was done with this week-long, whatever, journey in the UK, they gave me the DVD

of the UK office.

And so I watched that for the rest of the trip.

And on the way home, got hooked on it, went through, it was only two seasons, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

So went through both seasons.

In fact, I was still watching it as the second season was coming out.

And the next thing I know, they're like, they're doing the U.S., you know, same producers.

Right.

And Steve Crowd is like, awesome.

So from day one.

So you were okay with this U.S.

remake?

Because a lot of people who absolutely love the British show, they got concerned.

Yeah.

They thought, maybe, is America going to ruin it?

But as an American, I appreciated the references a lot more.

Yeah, that's true, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

And the UK one.

I mean, this one too, but the UK one was pretty raunchy.

I mean, definitely they should have loved back.

Yeah.

They did not have network standards and practices breathing down their necks for sure.

And good for them.

Yes.

Like

we had to blur out and bleep a lot of stuff.

We definitely.

It's like a constant conversation.

Like when Phyllis gets flashed in the parking lot, I think standards and practices said we could only say penis 13 times in the whole episode.

And we blew that in the cold open or something.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, that's the, that's the jackass approach is just bombard them with right away so that they come back to some place where you probably would have ended up anyway.

Right.

Exactly.

Okay.

This is kind of a cheesy question, but we were curious, what character from the office do you think you're most like?

I think I'm an amalgamation of various characters.

Okay.

I love food as much as Kevin loves food.

I love.

Stanley's approach to no nonsense.

He's over it.

He's just riding it out.

I feel like I'm kind of doing that.

Like, I'm not going to take any more bullshit.

I'm not going to do every opportunity.

And it's just more like, I'm doing this because I love it.

And

when it's over, it's over.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Yeah.

He's not, he's not a go-getter.

He's a run-out-the-clock.

Running out the clock.

A little bit of that.

You know what I mean?

At my age, I hope that I have a fun approach to life like Jim.

So I feel like I'm sort of a cross of all those characters.

No Dwight, no Angela, no Pam.

I'm kidding.

Yeah, maybe just Dwight and that I do have a deep-seated nerd in me from when I was a kid.

I was the nerdy math kid and skinny kid, and you know, didn't fit in, but I found skateboarding.

So it's in there somewhere.

Dwight's still trying to get out.

Right, right.

A big thing on the office are the pranks between Jim and Dwight.

Yes.

Is there pranking in the skateboard world?

Not really.

I mean,

just maybe a little bit, but, you what we do requires

such intense

focus and physicality.

Yeah.

You don't really want to mess with that.

So I can't think of any amazing pranks.

There was one time a guy, this was a pretty prank, though.

It was during a really heated practice session in the 80s.

And only a very specific core of skateboarders will know what this is.

This one photographer who was known to be just kind of full of hijinks, he went up to the ramp and went to jump into the practice session.

He could skate, but he wasn't a competitor by any means.

And he had blood bags

in his knees in his knee pads.

And then he fell and he started writhing around in agony.

And there's just pools of blood coming out of his knees.

That's not cool.

That's cool.

That was the practice.

I'm not going to say, I'm not going to say it.

Also, you know where my mind goes immediately?

First of all, like people seriously get injured and then that's like scary part of skateboarding.

People were losing it.

My dad was actually one of the organizers of this one event because he helped to found, he helped to organize the National Skateboard Association in the 80s because there was no sanctioning bodies of skate events.

My dad was pissed.

I bet.

I bet.

Also, my mind goes to this place, which is sort of like the mom and me of like, now who's going to clean that up?

Because now everyone can't skate because all that crap was on the.

So it's funny you say that.

So that event, I had to come in late because we were on a different skate trip.

So I didn't see it happen.

But when I came the next morning, there's just this giant red stain on the ramp.

Like, what the hell is that?

And they're like, oh my God, you know what?

So-and-so did this.

And, and then, as soon as people started to realize it was fake, he got up and ran away.

He better run away.

Oh, my gosh.

Well, you know, people ask us as actors, like, if there's a lot of pranking going on on sets.

And we especially get that question because of these pranking storylines.

But the answer is I have never been on a set with a major prank.

I was pranked once on the set of the office by John Krasinski in the whole nine years.

There was this scene where we're riding up to Shroot Farms in this car and it was really hot out.

It was a hot day and we would have to turn off the air conditioner for sound.

I was so hot and we were dressed for fall.

And I was so hot and I was like, oh my God, I'm dying.

I was so hot.

Are you hot?

And he's like, I'm okay.

The whole time he had turned my seat heater on.

That's it.

That's my one office prank.

So I crank it.

But if I look cranky in that scene, it's because I was really hot.

Is that when you guys were going to spend the night there?

I think it was when we were going there for

business like running

alongside the car.

Yes.

Yeah, we didn't do pranks.

We took, it's like a serious job and everything's choreographed and you were, you're aware that like time is money and you're like on a schedule.

But we did sometimes mess with each other a little bit with improv and dialogue.

And mine was when Moz kidnaps Angela for the wedding,

like, and I'm in the trunk of the car.

I said to our director, when they open the car, can she just like really cuss them out?

And he was like, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He was like, I'm not going to tell the guys, just let them have it.

And they open the trunk.

And I'm like, what the f is your brother's f ⁇ ing?

So if you watch that scene, John Krasinski's reaction, he was really like, what the hell?

What are you doing?

That was real.

That's perfect.

I have a technical question for you.

Sure.

Okay.

So we had an office episode that had parkour.

Yeah.

Have you ever parkour?

No.

What's the technical?

Anytime I do anything that resembles it, I say parkour.

You do?

Of course.

Yes.

Who doesn't?

Right.

I know.

We just did a stunt with a parkour export.

Okay.

And he goes by Dom Tomato on the social medias.

And we, Andy McDonald, who's also a pro skateboarder, he and I do a lot of choreography together where one goes over the other person.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We did a lot of X games like that.

We won a few medals.

And

this guy said, hey, do you think you could do something with me in the mix?

And it was one of the only times where I've been a little trepidatious when I finally got there and I was seeing what we're going to do.

Like this could be.

All the things you've done.

Wow.

It could go really bad, either for him or me.

Right.

Andy was the one who was going over.

So basically what happened was, you know, we're on a half pipe.

Andy's going over me.

I'm grinding along the top.

And this guy is running from the back of the deck and he jumps through our

over-under space, which is tight already.

And then we have a stunt pad for him at the bottom of the ramp.

So he is going the exact opposite direction.

that anyone should be going in this situation, meaning that if he hit me, I'm ejecting to the bottom of the ramp yeah and on his first attempt his stomach hit my helmet wow and that wasn't didn't inspire confidence yeah

you know and so we watched it back and i said look i'm gonna be low as as low as i can you have more room get closer to andy yeah yeah be higher be a little higher yeah and it worked it worked yeah

Well, you brought up kind of the idea of getting injured and injury is a part of skateboarding.

Yes.

You've been injured many times.

I broke my shoulder two years ago and my life has never been the same.

How do you,

how have you healed from

so many injuries?

Because I mean, I still can't put my arm the range of motion and I've done all the things.

Like, how do you heal?

Well, it's not always full healing and we learn to adapt.

That's my best answer.

You work around your injury.

Yeah.

Like I, well, I broke my femur three years ago and that was definitely the most traumatic injury that I had.

And I'm in my 50s, so it didn't help the healing process.

But I've kind of lost some techniques.

They're nuanced.

They're ones that are bittersweet for me to lose, but at the same time, I still get to do what I do.

I'm still skating at a professional level.

So I just have to accept that.

But through the years, yeah, I mean, like, if you see this shoulder, this kind of drops here.

I separated the shoulder about 10 years ago, and that's what it is.

It still works.

I think that because what we do is it requires such intense motion that we end up kind of getting back there by default.

Okay.

Do you have like a warm-up routine?

Like, do you have

now?

I used to not.

I used to just go in cold turkey and do all the stuff and I didn't really care.

And then I around and found out I can't really do that when I'm in this age.

So I now have a warm-up routine.

I actually do strength training workout three times a week besides skating.

And that's how I'm able to do it at this level at this age.

And what about like a cool down do you do cold dips or stretches i have one but it's really hard to get motivated uh-huh so the answer she does cold dips i can't do it i can't get in there

rain wilson does too yeah rain and i both love our cold dips every day

almost every day in the morning no now i do them at night but i also do um contrast hydrotherapy so i sit in hot water for three minutes oh yeah and then i sit in cold water for one minute and i go back and forth and i end on cold and i do them at night before bed because they help me with my um hot flashes all my menopause ladies out there hot tip the cold dipping i tried it i tried it and it made me so angry like i got in that cold water i was like this is stupid i don't like this the thing i don't like about it is you can't move because when you move you feel it more intensely more cold yeah yeah yeah so you get in you're like okay i'm stuck in this position.

Yeah.

That's it for whatever, three minutes.

I don't know, five minutes.

Yeah, I'm not a fan.

Oh, I do one minute.

Oh, I just do one minute.

Maybe that was my problem.

And you go in there.

You go on

that much.

Maybe you do.

I don't know.

No, it's more.

And I have been encouraged to do it by many experts.

So I should probably get back to it.

We have a plunge.

So maybe I should be doing that again.

Okay.

Would you do an office quiz with us?

Oh, yes.

Okay.

You're saying that like you think we're going to be good at it, but we

already got the turn Can I have my daughter on a lifeline?

Yes.

Yes, you can.

I told her, I said, I know you're going to be, she's doing finals this week.

But I was like, where will you be around noon tomorrow?

Yeah.

Because I'm doing, she's like, you're doing office ladies?

I said, yeah.

And I go, why am I have to call you for a question?

She's like, okay, I'll try to answer.

Okay.

But I'm not going to

if I'm desperate.

She can be your hotline.

So Cassie, our producer, put together this quiz.

We don't know the questions.

She pulled them without our knowledge.

Well, they're for all of us.

They're for all of us.

We're going to play.

We're going head to head.

I've already misquoted a quote you knew, so don't be intimidated.

All right.

Okay.

All right.

Are you ready?

Yes.

Are we going to say dangerous?

But I guess I can't really call my daughter if we're on a time crunch.

Oh,

you can put her on speaker.

Or Tony, you can call and have her on with you.

Like it could be the two of you against us.

Yes, we're fine with that.

All right.

Let's try that.

Actually, maybe she'll win.

She could be the fourth contestant.

Maybe she'll win

if we get her

funky town.

She might call back.

Okay, love it.

If she calls back, I'll put her on.

Okay, sounds good.

Perfect.

All right, here we go.

Question one: In the happy hour episode, what was the name of the book that Michael said he wrote in his head?

Ding

is it

somehow I manage?

That is correct.

Wow.

His management book.

I didn't know it was from that.

I was going to go throughout Level Midnight because I just feel like that's the default answer for anything.

For anything he's written.

I had nothing.

In Phyllis's wedding, what color dress did Kelly wear to the wedding?

White.

Ding.

Oh, dang it.

We did it wrong.

Yeah.

But we, that's a tie.

Ding light.

We, we both, that's a ties.

For each of you.

Okay, okay.

In the coup episode, what was the fictitious name of Dwight's dentist?

Ding, ding, crintist.

That is correct.

In the threat level midnight episode, who does Goldenface kill in the movie?

Ding.

Oh, I mean, it's Oscar, right?

No.

Oh,

oh, nice.

Which office character does Goldenface kill?

Ding.

Tony.

Creed?

No.

That was, I was just saying.

I'll give you a hit.

Oh, wait.

No, I'll ding.

Oh, Toby?

Toby, yes, yes, yes.

Of course it's Toby.

Yes.

I just, you know what I remembered as the stunt and that hit they had to create?

Yes.

I was like, I'm in the scene.

Yes.

I think I'm in the scene when he kills someone.

Okay.

I'm sitting on the floor.

Of course, if Michael wrote it, Toby dies.

Of course.

Of course.

That was a no-brainer.

Dang it.

Okay.

All right.

Here's an easy one.

In the goodbye, Michael episode, who went to the airport to say goodbye to Michael?

Ding.

Bam.

Bam.

All right.

Everyone get the point.

Yay.

In the promos episode, who was leaving Andy mean comments under the screen name Texas Poon Tappa?

Ding.

Nelly.

Correct.

Oh, I was not going to, I wasn't going to find that.

Yeah, no.

That was good, Ange.

In the viewing party episode, Aaron and Gabe hosted a viewing party for what TV show?

Oh, crap.

Ding,

the one with the singing in it.

And it's

holy.

Yeah.

Oh, my gosh.

You know what?

I saw that on one of the episode descriptions yesterday.

That just flashed into my head.

Like, that was.

Had I read it more closely, I could have got it.

In the workbust episode, who is the hitchhiker Dwight picked up on the side of the road?

Ding Creed.

All right, this next one,

there are three answers, so I'll give you a point for each person.

Oh, oh.

In the employee transfer episode, which three employees dressed as the Joker for Halloween?

Ding.

Kevin, Creed.

Oh, who was the third one?

Someone else can ding in.

Ding, Dwight.

Ding Dwight, right?

Ding Dwight.

Yeah, Dwight.

I'll give it to Tony.

I get two of them, though.

Yes, you do.

Angela, you're crushing it.

It's almost like you're on the show.

In Andy's Anchestry, who did Nellie say he was related to?

Ding Michelle Obama.

Correct, Jenna.

Final question: In the Survivor Man episode, when did Michael schedule Toby's birthday party?

Sting never?

No, he did schedule it.

He did.

Yes.

On some horrible day day in history?

No.

Here's a hint, Tony.

What would be like the worst time to throw a birthday party during the work week?

On,

I don't know.

Ding Monday?

Oh, I think you almost had it.

Ding Friday night.

What?

Close.

4:58 p.m.

Oh, that's it.

Okay.

I did not remember that at all.

I didn't remember that.

Making them stay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yes.

That was a hard quiz, Cassie.

Okay, how how did we do i think

angela kinsey might have won tony had three points jenna had five and angela had seven wow wow i get a little competitive in board games tony was that a board game i don't know what it was any game any game any game that's okay so would my daughter have so i feel like it um it wouldn't have been fun but it's okay sorry kk i tried If she calls back, though, she can be bonus round.

So for her birthday, I'm on cameo, by the way.

oh yeah um for her birthday a few years ago i got every office character on cameo so i had this like seven minute happy birthday from oh almost you know most most everyone we are not on cameo but we will do a video for her i appreciate that we absolutely will yes we will thank you very much and for actually her birthday is next month any niece or nephew or grandchild in the future okay thank you yes i have a grandchild yeah you do yeah well you can call that in anytime how old is your grandchild Uh, eight months.

Oh, that's the cutest, most cutie petuni age.

He's so funny, makes like funny faces.

Well, yeah, and also when he comes to our house, he knows it's just fun time.

Yeah, so as soon as he crosses the threshold, the smile comes on his face, and he sees my wife is Momo, and I'm Papa.

He sees Momo and Papa, and he's like, Okay, it's my time.

Yeah, there's no rules.

Oh my gosh, that is so sweet!

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Before we start this section, I just want you to know that Jenna and I watched so many videos of you skating.

There are so many, Tony.

You've been like, Thank you.

I mean, it's just amazing.

Your whole life is amazing.

She's super old.

So no, we're the same age, I think.

I think you and I are the same age.

I'll be 54 in June.

We're not the same age.

Oh, that's okay.

We're close.

I'm honored that you think I'm 54.

Well, anyway, we're very excited to talk to you about skateboarding, although we're probably the least qualified to ask you these questions.

Yes.

And I know these are questions that you've probably answered many times, but I think that for our listeners, this might be like very new.

So we're excited.

Thank you.

Sure.

So everyone knows you for doing the first 900.

This is a trick that took you like seven years to master or more.

More, yeah, yes.

but you've also invented over a hundred tricks in your career.

Do you have a personal favorite that you've ever done or invented?

Yeah, you know, um, I learned how to do an OLI 540, which is basically a one and a half spin in the air without grabbing the board

around 1989.

And I tried that trick as a joke.

I literally did it, was like, haha, look at it, crazy, no-handed.

And then at some point, figured out how to to sort of scoop the board using my feet and keep it on during the rotation.

And I think that's probably the one I'm most proud of because I felt like it unlocked a new direction and a new way to keep your board on your feet

personally.

It looks like magic when you do it.

It just, I was like, how is it there?

The wild part is that there, there is a whole new generation of skating of skaters that have figured out how to take that to new heights.

And there are literally skaters doing Ollie 540s like seven or eight feet above the ramp.

I did it right at the top of the ramp because I couldn't figure out how to keep my board on my feet any longer.

And they've just unlocked this whole new technique that I love that I get to witness it.

When you were doing the 900 trick, was there a moment?

Because you did it.

You did so many attempts.

Was there a moment?

Many, many, many before that.

Many, many.

Yeah.

Was there a moment where you saw it?

Like, was there a moment where it just clicked for you that it made it it that one time different than all the other times?

There was, but that happened years prior to when I actually

found it out.

Yeah.

There was a moment where I thought, if I really just commit to this, it should work.

And this is around 1990,

I don't know, four or maybe 95.

And I committed to a landing.

To be honest, the reason that I was committing to the landing is because I was running out of time to skate because I had to go pick up my son at preschool.

This is not a joke.

Like, you know, my son was going to be the last kid at preschool waiting.

So you had to figure it out.

So I got to like try to make this stupid trick so I can get out of here and get there on time.

And so I just said, okay, this is it.

I'm committing to it.

And when I, when I went to commit to it, I was leaning too far forward on the landing and I crashed into the bottom of the ramp and broke my rib.

Still managed to get my son, you know, with a broken rib.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, this is mid-90s skateboarding.

We didn't have a lot of resources or support.

And I was just doing this because I loved it.

You know, ESPN was not going to show up there.

Show up there and be like, hey, he did 900.

They didn't even know what a 900 was.

This was sort of the dark days of skateboarding, especially of ramp skating.

So long story short, in that moment, I thought maybe it doesn't work because I had all the pieces to the puzzle.

I envisioned making it and I fell forward and

got hurt.

picked up my son, healed up, whatever, and then I kind of put it on the shelf.

Tried it off and on every once in a while, but I could never get my, I could never commit to it again in the way that I did that one day because I didn't want to break my rib again or my collarbone.

I thought my collarbone was broken because it was so high up.

Luckily, it was just a rib.

But

so when I was at the X Games and I was starting to get close, I just thought, you know what?

If I'm ever going to get hurt again, it'll be here.

It's here.

Yeah, I don't mind.

Like, I'll take one for the sake of trying to finally get it again.

And so when I did try to land it the first time at X Games, I fell forward.

It's, it's all all there documented, but I didn't get hurt.

And that was the moment that I figured it out because I thought, if I can shift my weight mid-spin more to my back foot, I won't fall forward.

And so the next attempt, I shifted my weight to my back foot and then I fell backwards.

And it was like, that's the light bulb.

That was the epiphany.

And I just had to even

balance out.

Yeah.

And the next one works.

It's really dramatic when you watch it.

And the thing that was so moving to me is how the crowd is with you the whole whole entire time.

Yeah, that was wild.

I mean, I think the other skaters are coming around.

They're like almost laying hands on you and like banging their boards.

Yeah.

But I do feel like that, that is a slice of what skateboarding is.

Skateboarding is this really supportive community, even though it's an individual pursuit, even though we do compete.

There's a brethren and there's a kindred spirit of everyone just loves doing it and loves being part of the scene.

If you go to a skate park right now, there'll be people of all ages, all races, all genders, just enjoying the space and cheering each other on.

So I just feel like that was such a great, you know, I'm honored that it was, that it was me, but whoever it had been, it was a great example of what skateboarding is all about.

It was so beautiful.

I mean, after you landed it, the other skaters, they like all pile on you like you see players at the World Series piling on each other.

And when I watched that video, Angela, I don't know if this popped in your head, but it reminded me of the night that Steve Carell won the Golden Globe for playing Michael Scott.

Oh, my God.

So great.

And it was totally unexpected.

We did not think he was going to win.

And he won.

And when he walked into the party holding that trophy, the whole cast piled on to him.

That's so cool.

And it was that feeling where it was like, well, I didn't win the Golden Globe.

But we did.

But we won it because he won it.

You would have thought, you know, and like he merged.

Yes, you won that for, you you landed that for the whole community.

Yeah.

You know, and you.

It's, it was so beautiful.

It's so true.

We, we weren't even invited to the Golden Globes, the cast.

We were in a garage parking lot annex next to the building that they had put a tent over.

Wow.

And we were with all these suits.

Just watching it on like TV screen.

And the suits are very the business side of the world and they're very sort of like, oh, you know, it's just sitting there proper.

And when we won, or Steve won, we lost it in this garage and we were waiting for him.

And he let us all hold it.

I hit Phyllis in the face with it by accident in a group photo.

But that's exactly what it was like.

It felt like you won it for everybody.

Oh, for sure.

Yeah.

And there was just with that trick, there were a few of us that have been trying it for years.

And at some point, it was like, someone just do it.

already.

You know what I mean?

It wasn't even like we were in competition with each other.

It was just like, this has to be done just so we can prove it's possible.

And now it's, it's something that young kids do.

It's wild.

Not many.

Not many, but no.

But it has become a little more standardized.

And also the ramps and facilities have gotten bigger.

So, and there's resources, there's foam pits, there's all kinds of things that you can do to work up to this.

Yeah.

I had to do it the

hard way.

The hard knocks.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Literally hard knocks.

Yeah.

I did read that if you create a trick, you get to name it.

Is that true?

For the most part, it's a little tricky now because there are so many variations of moves that it's kind of like, look, just because you did a shove it out of that, you know, doesn't mean it's yours.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But, but yes, but especially back in the day, that's where we have all these absurd names.

Right.

We were looking up a few.

All right.

Here's a question for you.

Is there a skater past or present that you think maybe gets overlooked that deserves to be have more of their story told or legendary status?

Oh, yeah, several for sure.

I mean, to offer a deep cut, there was a guy named David Z when Kevin and I were younger.

He was the first person we ever saw truly fly high with ease and with style, even before Christian Osoy.

And he was just in the right place at the wrong time.

It was just the deadest time of skating.

Yeah.

He was a little older, so we had to find a job and just wasn't in the cards.

David Z, it's even hard to find photos of him.

But I would say, in terms of my influences, a guy named Eddie Alguera, he was the most innovative skater when I was coming up through the ranks.

And people gave him a hard time because they said he didn't have style and he was all about tricks.

And he's like a robotic.

And I was young and I didn't have style.

And I wanted to do tricks.

So I watched everything he did.

His signature moves were my first advanced moves.

That's so cool.

So there were a lot of times.

when skateboarding went away or went out of fashion and it wasn't paying the bills.

You kind of went through a lot of these droughts.

Sure.

It really reminds me of the lifestyle of an actor where you have a show or you're doing a movie, but then you're going to have a couple of years where you're auditioning, but you can't get hired.

You had to find a lot of creative ways to stay in the business.

Can you talk about

catabelles?

Yeah, we had

a wave of success in the late 80s.

We were young and naive enough to think that that was never going to end.

So we were spending as if that was happening.

And

I had two homes.

I had one with these giant ramps set up.

And suddenly I found myself with my income kind of dropping by half every month because it was all royalty based and people just weren't buying my skateboards or, you know, my shoe sponsor was like, oh, we got to cut your salary again.

We just cut it last month.

Okay.

And so I just did whatever I could to make ends meet.

I, um, at one point, I had a really basic editing system, which no one had.

This is probably 92, 93-ish.

So people didn't really have that kind of stuff.

So I just was getting odd jobs editing stuff on three-quarter tape.

Wow.

Not even skateboard related?

Some not skateboarding related, mostly skateboard related.

Any company that wanted to do their skate video, needed to master it, they could do it in my garage.

Oh, and I could do it for them.

I mean, I got.

you know, maybe 100 bucks to do it or whatever it was, but I got by.

And then I started getting hired.

Luckily, I had made enough connections in Hollywood that I started getting hired as a consultant on any shoot that was that had skateboarding in it because I was 24 and considered too old to be the featured skateboarder.

You know, it was more the narrative was it's for teenagers and whatever.

So I would go to a set and explain what is possible in whatever the landscape was.

And that worked.

It was cool.

I mean, I got to be in skating, but it was tricky.

Yeah, it was, there, there were some lean times.

I was definitely eating a lot of Taco Bell those days.

Yeah.

We talk about this a lot too, like, even within our careers, sometimes you just have to like see the pivot and take it, you know?

And, and, oh, I was, I was going to fight to the death to not get a real job.

Yeah.

I mean, well, it's all you're doing.

They are, they were real jobs.

I'm just talking about like just going nine to five, whatever.

It was like, I got to have something else.

Right.

And something still in the world of skating.

So

whatever allowed me, it really was just more whatever allowed me to keep skating.

I didn't even care about being a pro or being in the magazines, whatever.

I just wanted to keep skating.

Yeah.

I think that's so relatable for us because all we want to do is create.

You know, that's like what makes us happy.

Right.

And so you just follow that wherever anyone will let you do that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Exactly.

Oh, at one point, I'll tell you what, how I survived really in those days was rollerblade shows because rollerblading was huge.

Yeah.

Right.

It's the early 90s.

Everyone's, you know, saw on the street, whatever.

And there were a bunch of people that skated half pipe.

And so they had these rollerblade shows all over the place, like Team Rollerblade Live, inline shows at Magic Mountain.

And I got to be the special guest skateboarder of these shows.

And that paid my bills probably for a whole year.

Yeah.

How do you like, how do you maintain your mental health through those droughts?

I think I just focused in on my strengths and realized like living the dream just morphed into being able to skate.

So,

for instance, the tours before that, we were, we were flying to Europe and we had a, you know, we had a big van and we had these huge crowds.

And then it became, there's six of us in our delivery van and we're all going to share one room and we're going to skate whatever ramps they set up in the parking lot for us.

But we're still skating.

Yeah.

So I had to just keep it in perspective.

And yeah, it sucked.

It was hot hot and I was rolling my ankles left and right.

And I'm in charge.

Like I'm only 25 and I'm in charge.

Like I'm the tour manager of this chaos, you know, but all along we got to skate.

And so that's how I kept my mental health in check.

If I was unable to skate, then I would start kind of losing it.

I think it's pretty amazing what your game has brought to the skating community as well.

So my sons, they don't know how to skateboard, but they love your games.

Oh, they love Tony Hawk Pro Skater.

And they were so excited that I was meeting you today.

And we meet like really great people all the time.

And they're like, oh, yeah, that's cool.

And I said your name.

They're like, no way.

And I was like, are you serious?

And I guess you have a big game that's coming out July 11th, like the three and four.

They told me.

So that's.

Wow.

So they did my own press for me.

They were like, no, there's a new game coming out.

They have my talking points.

They do.

I went and looked up the date.

They didn't know the date, but they're like, no, there's a new one coming out.

Yeah.

Hey, just the fact that they know that is a big deal to me.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Cause we've been working for a while on that and it's been really hard to contain the secret.

So we finally got to reveal it last week.

Oh, wow.

Yeah.

No, they know.

I think they follow gamers, you know?

And so when things are announced.

Yeah, we did.

We did an event.

A lot of influencers were there.

A lot of the bands that are featured in the game were there.

A lot of the characters that are featured in the game were there.

So I'm glad it came across their radar.

Yeah.

Can you say some of the bands that were there?

Sure.

Urethane is one of the bands.

Steve Cavallero is pro-skater is actually in that band.

The Adolescents, who did songs like Amoeba and Kids of the Black Hole.

You've heard them, but you probably don't know what that is.

Danny Brown, hip-hop artist from Detroit, and Lupe Fiasco, who famously has the kick-push song about skateboarding.

I just know how much music is a part of the skateboarding culture as well.

I was telling you that my very first boyfriend was a skateboarder.

Yes.

My high school love of my life.

And I spent two or three years at skate parks.

Oh, wow.

Watching skates, St.

Louis.

Okay.

I was a skatebetty.

I don't know if we're still allowed to call ourselves skatebetties.

That's pretty cool.

That's OG.

That's right.

I wore the t-shirts and dressed in the gear.

When you say you wore the t-shirts, what does that mean?

Like a thrasher t-shirt or like

days this you know maybe black flag t-shirt yeah black flag world industries i don't remember yeah what years

uh i would have been there so this i guess which i didn't realize in st louis missouri nobody told us there was a skateboarding drought during um like 88 to 91 yeah i mean we were like it was in full force and um all these guys would go out there on the half pipe and they'd be yeah trying to do the stuff and did you ever go to a half pipe that that was plexiglass do you remember i don't think

through i don't think so in st louis no there was there was a half pipe in st louis that was portable that i skated many times in those years um wow i don't think so i think i would have remembered that um one of the parks we went to was i guess is this is this called a bowl where it's cement yep and then there were other like wooden right half pipes or quarter pipes or whatever yeah i mean and it was

i loved those those guys yep like really creative good guys yeah just kind of doing their own thing yes and not caring what anyone thinks no and it made me want to ask you what part of skateboarding culture do you think has been most misunderstood or misrepresented by the mainstream um i think it's more the the misfit aspect in that they want to focus on these are outcasts or that they're troublemakers.

And it's like, no, they just, they're just doing their own thing and they're doing it in a highly creative way.

And I feel like skateboarding teaches you so much about how to solve problems, how to

be self-motivated and instill self-confidence like maybe nothing else in your life.

And it makes you see it's just this great equalizer, but it's very inclusive.

So you just get to hang out with all kinds of different people, but you have the shared interest and an immediate bond.

I totally agree.

And I think like, I mean, I know that when I brought my skateboarding boyfriend home for the first time with his like blue hair and

his like crazy way that he dressed and his like, you know, slouchy clothes and all this stuff, I know that my parents were a little bit like, huh,

okay, okay, because I was going to like a private Catholic girls' school and, you know, they were always being mixers with the private boys' schools and all that.

Like those were the like dances that you were encouraged to go to.

And, and I was like, I don't know what to tell you guys, but, you know, those prep school boys, they got nothing on the skater boys.

Like they are,

because also the skaters were not slackers or delinquents or any of that.

They're disciplined.

Yeah, very disciplined.

I mean, listen, if you want to date a skater, be prepared to sit at a skate park for like hours watching them try a trick because and nursing wounds.

Yes.

I mean, a couple of broken wrists and things.

Yeah.

Not just from falling, but from like a board hitting.

I mean, that was how my boyfriend broke his wrist was like his board flipped up and then cranked and then the wrist.

Yeah.

That's rough.

That is, that's literally insult injury.

It really is.

It really, really is.

Yeah.

So I just, I think it's a cool thing.

And I, and I think that it's really, really cool that through your foundation, you have the skate park project

where you have helped fund something like over 600 skate parks around the world.

One in St.

Louis, actually.

And one in St.

Louis.

That is so cool.

Yeah.

I got to go to the grand opening of them.

It was cool.

That's so great.

Well, I'm a dinosaur because I'm going to just tell you that I

grew up roller skating.

Like, I still roller skate.

My roller skates are.

Squads?

Yes.

Yeah.

Old squads.

Quads are cool, man.

Yeah.

I grew up in Indonesia.

So like I got my first pair through the Sears catalog.

It took six months to get there.

But, you know, the pair I still skate with, and I have three pairs by the front door.

I got in Redondo Beach.

in like 94, but they're still my favorite.

But there are skate parks that have the smaller, like little hills and stuff like that.

And we would go and try to do, you know, whatever, just pop back on your back four or jump a little thing, like really small things.

But it was such a way to de-stress for me.

And it still is.

And I have outdoor wheels.

Those are my favorite.

I don't really like indoor skating as much.

It's, I like to be outside.

Outdoor, they're more like skateboard wheels.

Yeah, they're bigger.

And, but I just find it as a way to just sort of check out of my mind and get into my body.

I mean, that's that's why I continue to do it against all odds and through injuries.

Yeah, that's my that's my zen for sure.

But I think it's cool you do quads, they're making a huge comeback.

There's quite a faction of young girls that are starting to do quad skating at skate parks these days.

Well, I almost brought them in today and my husband was like, No, don't.

No, I think it's cool.

Don't meet Tony on roller skates.

That's too endorphin.

No, I love it.

I've got another question.

What life skills does skateboarding build that you can't learn in a classroom?

Yeah, I think discipline in a way that is much more intense and much more self-projected, where it's not someone telling you, you got to do this, do these reps.

It's like, you know, you just got to get up and try.

You just got to keep trying and getting up and persistence.

And I think probably the one thing skating taught me through all my years is to embrace failure because that's how I'm going to learn.

And that's how I'm going to figure these other things out.

And even like breaking my rib, doing 900, I am glad I did that because that led me to actually figure the whole thing out.

It put a stall in my efforts a little bit, but it's more like that.

It's that you needed those failures to either learn or to keep yourself in reality because not everything's going to win.

Not every show is going to be the office.

Come on.

Tell me about that.

No show is going to be the office.

I mean, our overnight overnight success was each of us about nine years, nine years of just out there, just doing anything we could.

So great.

Yeah.

Well, this has just been so great.

Is there anything you want to ask us, the office related?

Yeah.

I mean, what, what is it like to,

I just can't think of any other TV shows barring, say, The Simpsons or, you know, something that happened in the 70s or 80s, like Cheers.

What's it like to have a TV show that's so iconic?

It is, it's a meme factory.

Yeah.

Still.

Yeah.

I get sent myself all the time.

But is it hard for you guys to exist in the real world in that sense?

It is not hard for me to exist in the real world.

I feel like I have such an identity outside of that job and outside of the fame of that job.

And I'm so grateful because I love to travel that I can go to any kind of like iconic sort of like tourist attraction and I don't get like overly recognized or bothered or anything.

Like I can go up in the Eiffel Tower.

Like I, I think of like, can Taylor Swift, she can't just go up in the Eiffel Tower, right?

Or Jennifer Aniston can't just go up in the Eiffel Tower if she's in Paris.

And,

and so I feel so grateful that I can do those things.

Lead a relatively normal life.

I can.

I can.

And so I, and I do.

Yeah.

To me, it's just all like abundant universe kind of stuff.

You know, it's just, I look back on it and like, wow, that was so cool.

I'm so glad I got to do that.

And then I'm so grateful that I get to continue just working with my best friend.

And, and we journeyed a lot of that together.

And that's been a huge amount of support because we started the office and traveled through becoming famous.

together.

So having a core group of people that have known you for a really long time.

My best friends in LA are still, my friends Michael and Tobias, we were operators at 1-800 Dentist together

before,

you know, that's what I did.

I did that and I did shows at improv theaters.

And to have that community that has known you that long is so important.

And then I just, I like people and I like meeting people that love the office.

It makes me happy that they're still connecting to it, like you and your daughter.

Like, that's so cool.

I love that.

Are you guys ever over it?

I don't know.

I mean, we're doing a podcast based on it.

So I'm seeing the answer is no.

No, no, I, I mean, yeah, I mean, and you know, sometimes you get like, I've seen like snarky comments on my Instagram or something where someone's like, get over it.

It was a long time ago.

Like you still are talking about this thing.

Projecting their own failures on you.

Well, I mean, my feeling is like, oh, I'm sorry, but I kind of did a super cool thing and I'm never getting tired of it.

Like, it was awesome.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Are you kidding me?

I'm, I'm milking it to the end.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

And I think, I think,

I think that's what smart people do.

They find their thing and then they lean the f into it as hard as they can.

So, yeah, I will like yell, save Bandit for you for your kid's birthday.

Sure, why not?

Yeah.

I want to do more proud of it.

You know, like, why would I get over it?

You know, that's like a little like Kate.

Kate does the, she does the best cameos.

She really does.

Yeah.

And she did one for my daughter.

She actually knew it was from me.

We had met once, but the fact that she will say all the stuff and then go to her piano, play the theme song.

I'm like, oh, it's so amazing.

Yeah.

It's exactly what a fan wants.

And I like to give that to people.

I mean, I didn't grow up in Hollywood.

I didn't grow up in this world.

I grew up in St.

Louis, Missouri, going to skate parks and, you know, being in the theater club.

And.

oh my gosh to have like someone from that world that i dreamed about like say my name or shake my hand or take a picture with me just how meaningful that would be

so i love to like give that out yeah anytime I can.

That's so amazing.

Yeah.

That's how I feel.

Like if people come to my Instagram, I'm like, price of admission, buddy.

You're going to get a lot of the office.

How else did you find me?

Yeah, exactly.

Is that because I love hummingbirds?

Is that why you're here?

Did you call 1-800 Dennis at some point?

Exactly.

I will say that one of my most viral Instagram posts was I brought it back from when I got to visit the set.

I sat at the reception desk and put the phone to my ear.

So a few years ago, I put just birdhouse skateboards.

This is Tony.

Oh, that's so.

Yes, that's amazing.

Oh, that's amazing.

It's like, how the hell?

What?

Where did you?

It was just like, cause it's a time warp.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It totally is.

Does the fame ever bother you?

No, I, I, uh, only if it interferes with my family time, if I get stopped and it gets tricky.

And, you know, if I'm traveling with my kids or whatnot, and I feel like they're getting sliding.

Uncomfortable or something.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Or if if I feel like it's just taking away from that.

But that's rare, honestly.

And I mean, I still get to pride my skateboard for a living.

I get paid to talk about skateboarding.

Like, it's just such a dream come true.

And I can't believe I still get to do it.

So I'm, I'm super thankful.

And,

you know, I'm not some, I don't think I'm some polarizing figure.

So people are generally very nice and

happy when I, when they see me.

And our video game series was a huge hit.

So they like to talk about that.

And I played it.

So I speak their language.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Are you good at your own video game?

Yes.

You are.

I'm good at playing with myself.

That was a very Michael Scott thing to say.

She said, it really was.

Well, should we do our call sheet questions?

Let's do it.

Let's do it.

Okay.

Here they are.

Number one.

What was your very first entertainment job?

I

got to,

I was on Captain Kangaroo.

You were?

How old were you I was skateboarding I was like 11 oh 12

did all the ping pong balls drop no they shot the I didn't understand how TV worked at the time so I thought Captain Kangaroo was coming to the skate park and we're gonna do this whole thing this crew came shot me skating and they made a little segment about it oh

okay so you didn't go to the set but I didn't get to go to the set but I mean we sat and watched Captain Kangaroo one morning and I was on it that's wild that's pretty cool number Number two, do you speak any other languages or play a musical instrument?

I speak a little bit of French.

I took a couple of years and then I spent about six weeks right after high school in France.

So I understand it more than I speak it.

Like we were there for the Olympics over the summer.

I managed to.

navigate our family through some tricky security checkpoints thanks to my French.

So I feel like that was worth all the two years of it in school.

And I used to play violin.

Do you still play violin?

No, I, my music teacher, when I was 12,

he wanted me to do these extracurricular school concerts and stuff on weekends.

And that was when I would have to go compete.

And I told him, no, I have to, I'm going to compete in the skateboard event.

And he said, well, you can't do both.

What?

You had to pick violin or skateboarding.

According to him.

That was a real sliding doors moment for me.

It was for sure.

And I said, okay, well,

this is way more fun for me.

And I didn't think I was choosing a future anyway.

I was 12.

No, exactly.

I'm not going to be a

concert violinist or I'm not going to be a pro skateboarder.

I'm just, I just love doing this.

And so I chose, and I wish that I hadn't quit.

I wish I hadn't really listened to him like that.

But he was the music teacher and he wasn't going to let me keep being in his class.

Yeah, that's not.

Because I wasn't doing the other stuff.

I tried to pick it up again and it wasn't like riding a bike.

It wasn't.

That's interesting.

All right.

What's a place you've been to that you absolutely loved?

Firstly, Japan.

I got to go there when I was 14 for a TV show called basically Wonder Kids or Amazing Kids.

And in my later years, Iceland.

Oh, I'm going to Iceland this summer.

That's so cool.

Oh, I can't wait.

All right.

Next one.

What do you like to do on the weekends?

I like to.

try to be home and have our kids come home.

Yeah.

Because they are all pretty much gone.

We only have one at home now, my daughter.

We have five boys and they all are,

quote, adults, but they do tend to migrate back home on the weekends.

So I like to try to be home in case that happens.

I love that.

All right.

Last one, favorite midnight snack?

Hmm.

That's tricky.

Yeah, I don't,

I like this kind of sweet popcorn.

Sweet popcorn?

Like a kettle corn kind of thing?

Yeah, but not too sweet.

You know, the boom chicube.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That one's pretty good.

Either that or I go

crackers, happy cow cheese, and salami.

You're speaking Antelo's language.

That's all I ever said.

It's near and dear to her heart.

That's a good one.

That's my favorite snack.

A tangent to that question is: if you were standing in line for pretzel day, what's your order?

Oh, wow.

It would either be cinnamon and sugar or frosted.

But I don't care about the sprinkles and I don't care about all the other accoutrements.

Okay.

I'm cinnamon, sugar.

I'm cinnamon sugar.

Yeah.

Yeah, like a cinnamon toast vibe.

Yes.

Yep.

Yes.

That is it.

It's pretty great.

So am I going to walk out the door and there's going to be a presto cart?

No, I wish we could.

I went ahead.

You guys get your budget.

Well, we would have asked that question at the beginning if that was the case.

Yeah, exactly.

And here it is.

Oh, man.

Thank you so much for coming in.

Yeah.

Thanks for having me.

Yeah.

Appreciate it.

It's so great.

Congratulations to you too.

Thank you.

Yeah, thanks.

All right.

Well, that happened, lady.

Tony Hawk sat across from us for like an hour.

And we talked to him.

I know.

And we took pictures.

We have the photos to prove it.

That's right.

Thank you so much, Tony, for being on our podcast.

And don't forget, everybody, Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 and 4 is out July 11th.

You got to grab it.

Got to grab it.

And you know what?

Tony also has a podcast.

It's called Hawk vs.

Wolf.

It's him and Jason Ellis, and it's a great podcast.

So we'll put a link to that in our stories, too.

All right.

Thank you so much, everyone, and we will see you next week.

See you next week.

Thank you for listening to Office Ladies.

Office Ladies is a presentation of Odyssey and is produced by Jenna Fisher and Angela Kinsey.

Our executive producer is Cassie Jerkins.

Our audio engineer is Sam Kiefer, and our associate producer is Ainsley Bubbico.

Odyssey's executive producer is Leah Rhys Dennis.

Office Ladies was mixed and mastered by Bill Schultz.

Our theme song is Rubber Tree by Creed Bratton.