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online like there's like shade being thrown at by the different players like it's all in good fun but sometimes i just don't see it so she catches you up on all of that yeah well what i really love about it is there's a rotating cast of other women's basketball experts there's going to be players coaches commentators and even retired legends yeah yeah

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Thanks, Jenna and Angela, for such a great intro.

Hi, office ladies, listeners.

I'm Jordan Robinson, the host of the Women's Hoops Show and a women's basketball journalist.

I am so excited to share what a typical episode of ours sounds like.

We're in the full swing of March Madness.

So this is our NCAA Women's Final Four preview.

If you're already a hardcore women's basketball fan, you'll love it.

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Enjoy the show and thank you for listening.

Welcome to the Women's Hoop Show.

Last week, I sat down with a Texas and WNBA legend, Fran Harris, to talk about her undefeated season at UT, winning the very first WNBA championship and her takes on March Madness and more.

She DM'd me as soon as Texas won and said, how about the longhorns?

So make sure to go back and listen to that episode.

It was so fun.

But on today's show, I'm joined again by my amazing co-host, Autumn Johnson, to preview the final.

four.

I can't believe we're here already.

We'll break down the matchup, share our predictions, and we'll start by giving a big picture overall of the season and what it all means as we head into the final weekend of college basketball.

Let's get into it.

I can't wait.

All right.

Autumn.

You are already in Tampa.

You are already getting your mind right for the final four.

How are you?

How's your bracket doing?

But mostly, how are you?

I'm great.

I'm in Tampa.

The sun is out.

I mean, it's warm, great weather.

The beach is near and Final Four teams are coming in.

I'm here already to catch up with them tomorrow, but super excited to finally be here.

This is what all teams work for.

My bracket, on the other hand, it's not too shabby.

I have a majority of my teams in.

I predicted South Carolina, UCLA.

a UConn as well, just that one team, Texas defeating, you know, just able to come into the final four.

Yeah, I had Notre Dame, as we know.

I said that on here, but I'm very excited of the four final teams we have.

Yeah, we're going to talk about that in Notre Dame.

We're going to talk about that a little bit later.

A little bit later.

I also joined your bracket challenge and I am in eighth right now because.

We all know I went hard for the upsets in Spokane one and Harvard, you let me down.

You let me down.

You were going to make me look like the smartest person in the world.

Everyone picked Harvard, though.

Everyone was riding for Harvard.

You're not alone.

Yeah,

that didn't work out.

That didn't work out for me.

Florida State also, I looked so great in that first half against LSU.

And then I have no idea what happened in that second half, but it's okay.

I'm sitting eighth out of 16.

I have a check on us.

I'm eighth out of eight.

No, that's all that matters.

I haven't checked.

Like, how am I doing?

You're about to be.

You're doing pretty good.

You're third right now, tied for third.

Yeah, I was nervous because I picked a lot of upsets as well.

I had Harvard.

I also selected Norfolk State defeating Maryland.

Yeah.

And fans, fans let me know.

Even Cheyenne Sellers, before I pressed record on the interview, she was like, autumn, your bracket is busted.

I was like, heard you.

I will be a part of the villain story.

It's cool.

It's fine.

And they almost defeated South Carolina.

That was a great game, but hats off to them.

Brenda Free, she knows what to do on March every single time.

Like she's one of the greatest for a reason.

Oh, I didn't even think about this idea of you making your bracket, telling us all your bracket, and then having to go and sit across from the person that you said was going to get upset.

It's fine, though.

It has to be, you know, probably the hardest part of the job.

You literally put out your fix and you're vulnerable.

for these reasons and it just makes a great story.

At the end of it, you know, I live for it.

It's fine.

I love that for you.

I love it.

I love it.

Okay.

So let's talk big picture because we're going to go matchup by matchup.

But just overall, we kind of talked about these four teams heading into the final four, UCLA, UConn, South Carolina, and Texas.

If this was November and it was preseason, beginning of the season, you are already starting your bracketology.

Were these four teams in the mix that you thought would be here at this moment?

100%.

I mean, these final final four teams, it's not shocking that they're here because in the preseason rankings, we saw South Carolina sitting at number one, UConn at two, USC was at three, four, Texas, and five UCLA.

So my final four predictions, if you would have asked me my first bracketology overall, it would have been South Carolina, USC, UConn, Notre Dame in the final four.

But what's still shocking to me is that we still don't have a clear-cut champion.

And that's just due to all the parity that we've seen.

But we've definitely got the best four in the country, duking it out, Titans versus Titans.

So we could have seen multiple combinations, honestly.

Like LSU had a great run.

Notre Dame, as I mentioned, was my final four team.

They were right there.

And then USC, unfortunately, without Gigi Watkins, that's easily a final four team, possibly a championship team.

But these are definitely our final four that we got.

And kudos to them because they deserve it.

They sure do.

And yeah, don't make me pick a champion.

Maybe by the end of this episode, we will have to pick one.

But my gosh, I love that we don't know.

I love that going into Tampa, we're flying in and we're like, ooh, I can't wait to see who plays big because it's really going to come down to those little things.

I think they're all great teams.

They're all.

teams that could win it all, which makes it super fun.

We'll talk matchup by matchup, but just storylines.

What are some of your favorite storylines from these teams heading into the Final Four?

There's so many.

Like, where do I start?

South Carolina, obviously, they're looking to run it back and defend their title.

That's huge right now.

Because of the parody, like I said, there's not a clear-cut champion.

It would be the first time that a team went back to back since UConn did it four straight with the last one being 2016.

Speaking of UConn, Paige Beckers last ride, obviously they want to restore that success, that legacy that, you know, Uskies are known to have.

Like you expect them to win a national championship, but there's been a drought for quite some time but with paige beckers leading our team to a final four again

you want to be in the building for this one for paige last possible you know she has possibly two ahead of her you want to be there for those games for sure and tune in if you aren't here in tampa ucla first final four

and you know this is in the corey close era i think they have the potential of getting it done they have the balance outside of lauren betts so they can definitely make a run for their first ever and bring a championship back to LA, which that's been quite some time too, since the 80s.

And then for Texas, we have Vic Schaefer who has done it again.

I mean, doing what he does best, leading multiple programs to a Final Four.

And this will be Texas' first Final Four since 2003.

So a lot of storylines.

We'll find out Nae Smith, Player of the Year, Coach of the Year, DPOY on Wednesday.

And

I want to talk feel good stories too, because I think so many players have great stories as well.

Like Roy Harmon, she tore at ACL 10 months later, here she is in the Final Four.

Gabriella Haquez, she grew up wanting to go to UCLA and here she is helping her team to that.

And you got the hometown kids and Milesia Fulwiley and Joyce Edwards putting on for their city.

So it's storylines, galore.

You want to tune in and just see people win, you know?

Absolutely.

I mean, we're totally biased because we are in the storytelling business, but it also just makes for a great TV product.

It makes for a great sitcom, a great dramedy.

Like, I feel like that's what all of this is heading into the Final Four, besides the basketball being really, really good, the stories, and it makes any team really easy to root for as well.

Because I think there's not this,

when I look at these teams, I don't see a villain origin story or necessarily a underdog mentality.

Like these are teams that have the best players, have worked hard, and have the feel-good stories mixed in with the program history as well to carry it on.

All of these are big-time programs with big time names when you think about it.

But it's still been so long

between UConn, UCLA, and Texas.

And then South Carolina is like, hey, don't forget about us.

We the new kids on the block in this

dynasty type of thing.

But we want to be here and we also have some things things to talk about.

So

when we think back, when we think back to the 2024-25 season,

what do you think will be that defining factor that would have defined this college basketball season?

Ooh, that's a really great question.

Right?

No, that's deep.

Shout out to her.

That's deep.

That's deep.

Honestly, you know, we think about the viewership in that 2024 WNBA draft class of Caitlin Clark, Angel Reese, Rakia Jackson, Cameron Brink, Camilla Cardoso, Kate Martin.

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And it didn't stop.

So

if I would put into a couple of words, or maybe define it in one word, it's like continuation, like a season of continuation and no signs still of slowing down because there's more.

We're still talking about Paige Beckers, Olivia Miles, Hana Hidalgo, Madison Booker, Juju Watkins.

Like the talent is endless and women's basketball is here.

It is here to stay.

And it's exciting.

Like people are so excited.

I have, you know,

my friends texting me, calling me, telling me about the games.

I'm like, okay, y'all are locked in.

And these are casual fans.

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You don't have to be a diehard.

It's people who are truly invested in what's going on.

And it's so exciting.

It's so refreshing.

And they deserve that.

Like we talked all season long about Unrivaled.

We talked about the W, we talked about these professional athletes who are performing at the highest level.

And

thank God people are finally waking up, you know?

So it's been really

time to say it.

But also, for the new, for the newness, I love, I was going to say the exact same thing.

I love everything that you said.

And especially because you can follow this path of this new fan.

You can, maybe Caitlin Clark was that name that brought you in.

And you came in during the end of her college season last year.

And then you watched her final four, but then you got to watch South Carolina.

You got to watch LSU.

You got to watch NC State.

So you were introduced to all of those programs and you're like, oh, dang, okay, who are these?

They balling out.

Then you watch the championship game and you're hooked and you're like, oh my gosh, I can't wait.

Wait, I don't have to wait.

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Like you can see this through line of the fandom and how maybe it started last year, but you are definitely coming back.

And maybe you bought tickets to Tampa because you're so excited from last season.

So that has been my favorite part.

And I definitely think that.

People maybe were, maybe the doubters were expecting a huge drop off, but there was not a drop off.

And that is so exciting to me me that it's continuing to build, that we have been seeing all the commercials,

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And when we get to the final four and the biggest stage, again, I'll say it, the basketball is super good and exciting and the stars are starring.

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So that's just.

what gets me super excited heading into this final four.

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how did we get here?

For each of these teams, how did they earn this spot?

Let's give a little recap of how they got here.

And let's start with UCLA against LSU.

That was their Elite Eight matchup.

This was a rematch from last season.

UCLA lost to LSU and it was a winnable game last year.

So I know they had been thinking about this all year long.

There was also some drama around this last year.

Maybe you remember about the LA Times article that came out and really pitted the two teams against each other, essentially saying that one team was better than the other because of,

I don't know, an overall vibe, I guess you could say, Autumn.

It was a poorly written opinion article that the writer has since apologized for, but that's all to say.

There's some extra animosity heading into this game.

And Flage Johnson wanted all the smoke and she wanted it, but UCLA was able to win it 72 to 65 over an LSU team that was coming back.

But what did you kind of see in this game to get UCLA over the hump of LSU?

Yeah, well, just looking at UCLA, like in the region they played in, you looked at it and said, okay, no one.

can match up the warren bets at 6-7 in the skill that she possesses, but LSU truly challenged them.

I mean, Blage Johnson coming out with 28 points and Nissa Morrow having that main challenge down low.

It didn't matter.

Like she pulled the ball out, was knocking threes down, was knocking 10 footers, no matter what, getting in transition, banging down low.

Nissa Morrow is going to go down as one of the greatest we have seen in this game.

And she said it herself, like, no one has done what I've done in my college career.

Miss double double with 104 double doubles overall.

That's insane to say.

Like, what?

Crazy.

104 is crazy.

And she's consistently leading the nations in double-doubles.

So I had no questions or concerns going ahead, going up against Lauren Betts or just anyone in the paint, how she alter shots at 6-7.

It didn't bluster or bother Anissa whatsoever.

But the thing about it, when we look at UCLA, we always talk about Lauren Betts.

But here's the Bruins saying, hello, there's more.

And I think this tournament alone is showcasing the balance that UCLA has.

This has been all season long.

This isn't just a coming out party for Gabriella Jakez.

She is the unsung hero of this team.

And if you have been watching them closely, she's had games like this.

She's had timely moments like this.

18 points to lead her team, four for five from deep.

Those were game-changing threes.

And she also did it on both ends.

She had to guard.

Lange Johnson, Michaela Williams, like two of the best guards we have seen in this game as well.

That's not an easy feat whatsoever.

And she does it on both ends.

She still has the energy to knock down those big shots.

But you also had Tamia Gartner coming off the bench, 15 points.

You're talking about pieces you got in the transfer portal that are now coming into play.

And she's been able to break out as well throughout the course of the season, but in a timely manner, 15 points, including five threes.

That was the difference maker.

I think the balance has been that all season long, and it's definitely going to help as they try to pursue a championship.

Absolutely.

41% from the three-point line for UCLA.

And when they're knocking those down and having Lauren Betts inside, you good luck.

What do you do?

I don't know.

Good luck.

Kim Mulkey, the head coach of LSU, said that that game was won or lost in the second quarter.

And to put it in perspective, Lauren Betts gets two fouls early, which, by the way, she has never done before.

This was her first DMP in a quarter of her career.

She did not play the entire second quarter.

And, you know, for this other show that I'm doing on Locked On Women's Basketball, we talked about kind of the difference between her and Cameron Brink as a post-player and how Cameron Brink at Stanford, that was her detriment.

She would get in foul trouble and Stanford had to like really know how to play without her because it happens so often.

Lauren Betts does not foul.

She is so smart and has body control.

And as a shot blocker at 6'7, that is really hard to do.

But she sits out the entire second quarter and everyone's like, uh-oh, this is where LSU is going to turn up.

No, that's where Tamia Gardner makes three threes.

That's where Gabrielle Jakez has five points.

Kiki has two points.

And it's like, oh, they have other people that can show up.

And LSU did not take advantage of those minutes when Betts were not on the floor.

And that's what the coach said.

It didn't even matter what happened in the third quarter.

It didn't matter what happened in the fourth quarter.

They did not take advantage and go on a run and force Corey Close to put Lauren Betts back in.

And that was a huge difference maker.

Would you agree?

I would agree.

I mean, 22 and 6 in that second quarter.

Would you have pictured that without Lauren Betts, Jordan?

Like, to me, no.

That's to me,

that says a lot about the Bruins.

And they are not peaking at the right time, but they're just playing their best basketball at the right time.

And their teammates are stepping up in the moments that are needed the most.

And even before that, Lauren Betts had a 30 and 10 game.

Like she's coming in and she's not being denied at this moment.

We saw that in the Big Ten championship game too.

Willing her team to a win that want to and you have all the pieces.

I think this year compared to last last year, they have the experience, they have the pieces, they have the depth, they have the balance.

Now it's like that, that extra like grit to them, you know, like that extra like confidence, that swag, that, that just want to overall, that I will not be denied.

And I think that is what separates you from other teams.

Yeah, for sure.

Well, LSU, they're going to try to figure it out.

The one stat that really stuck out to me was coming into this Elite 8 game against UCLA.

LSU was 16 and 0 when Flage scored over 20 points and she dropped 28.

She played amazing.

She's only a sophomore.

She is eligible to go into the WNBA draft.

But my guess is that she's going to come back because I think there's other parts of her game that she can continue to grow.

I also

I think a part of these guesses are, I think she's coming back to LSU, but we'll see.

We'll see.

I don't know anything.

Who knows?

But Flage, she balled out.

We know what she's going to do with LSU.

Let's move on to the next number one team.

It was in the Final Four.

South Carolina versus Duke in that Elite A game.

Oh my.

Oh, goodness.

This was such a good game.

It was a very low scoring affair, 54 to 50.

South Carolina.

barely hangs on to win that game, which we talked about the last game being in the second quarter.

This game was won or lost in like the last two minutes, I would say.

Duke had all the momentum, kind of fell apart with a few decision makings towards the end there.

And to me, Autumn, this was experience.

This was experience over Don't Panic, Don't Panic.

Oh, we panicked.

That's how I felt Duke kind of looked, wanted to be in there.

But South Carolina did not play their best against Maryland, barely won that one.

Then they come in and they barely went against Duke.

I don't think we expected this type of performance this late,

especially when we see other teams who are, you know, blown out by 20 or more points.

That's what South Carolina used to do.

But now these, these are a little close.

And I was, I was a little nervous.

Were you a little nervous?

I was definitely nervous.

I was screaming at the TV.

And honestly, Jordan, I think we're all spoiled at this point because

we are used to seeing South carolina dominate and i want to read you something because i thought this was very interesting during last year's run to the final four south carolina trailed for a total of one minute and 10 seconds

one minute and 10 seconds this year the game clocks were behind for a total of 36 minutes and 27 seconds which is still really good a still low number but one minute like south carolina was blowing through teams, flying colors throughout this whole championship pursuit.

And now we're so used to that, so accustomed to it.

It's like, whoa, hold on now.

Like these are some tight games.

And we haven't had to hold our breath like this for a minute for South Carolina.

So when I looked at that game, Dupe had plenty of opportunity to make it happen and shake the world.

But like you said, that experience really played through.

Like they've been here.

We talked about this last episode.

They've been here before.

A lot of these players, I think it's like eight players overall on this current roster were here last year.

And then they bring on some new pieces.

They have that bench.

For me, it has been the bench in these close stretches.

In the first round, we saw a record-breaking 66 points.

Indiana, it was 19 points.

That was a really close nail biter.

Maryland was 40 points.

But then that Duke game, guess how many bench points?

How many?

Nine.

Oh, my God.

This is a team that leads the nation in bench points.

It's about 40 on the regular season, 33 coming off the bench during this NCAA tournament run, around that average, but nine points coming off the bench versus Duke.

Whoa, that is such a good stat.

Malaysia Foiley is that main person that is coming off the bench.

Joyce Edwards, Tessa Johnson, all single digits.

Yeah.

Wow.

And they still manage to get the win.

And so I think it says a lot about that.

I will say, and this may come off a little harsh, but I'm okay.

I could take it.

We talk a lot about how you don't want to bet against Don Staley.

And

you can't bet against Don Staley.

But at the end of the day, Don Staley can't go out on the floor and play for your team.

She can't be the point guard.

She can't put on a jersey and run the show.

And I questioned effort in an elite eight game.

Duke was getting every 50-50 ball, every loose ball, every offensive rebound, flying in.

Toby Fournier played amazing, 18 points.

Ashlyn Jackson had 13 points.

It was, you know, we talk about the half, halftime speeches, being goaded.

It can't take a halftime speech at this point to light that fire again.

And this game specifically, I didn't see that third quarter South Carolina team.

Like it wasn't this miraculous turnaround that we were kind of all expecting because they have slow starts.

So I don't know.

I want this little break before this next game that they really, really realize that they are a great team, that they can beat teams, but it starts with themselves and it has to start the game that way.

I think as we we are getting to the final four, they have played really good teams and they barely inched it out.

Now they are going to play a great team in Texas and they are going to play a great team in either UCLA or UConn.

And those little mistakes or those second effort plays, it is going to come down to that.

So, South Carolina, I plead you to be the team that we know that you are.

And that starts from within.

It can't always come from your head.

Great point.

That's an amazing point.

And to your point, teams are coming in hungry.

We've talked about, oh, since 2003, this is the last time, first time in program history.

These teams are coming in here.

And South Carolina has been here for a fifth year straight.

Teams are coming in hungry, starving for this moment.

And when you look at Texas, they've already battled them three times.

We're going to get this a fourth time.

They've cracked the code once.

It is hard playing a team multiple times because they have you figured it out.

And then on the other side, either UCLA and UConn, they both have wins over South Carolina.

Everyone in this Final Four has a win over South Carolina.

And now you're facing them possibly again.

If you get past Texas and then have to face either or

you have that scouting report, you know what needs to be done.

It could get sticky.

That is a great point.

I didn't even realize that.

That's probably their worst thing.

They only have three losses, right on the season is that correct and these it's

all these teams yes yeah

i mean talk about a storyline that makes it interesting give me all of it i need it oh let's go okay well moving on from from duke had a great season the cara era is live and well they have a lot to be proud of Again, it really came down to just those final minutes.

They were almost there to upsetting South Carolina, but they'll clean those up.

I do think coming into next season, there's a couple names in the portal that are offensive threats.

They need to get an offensive threat who loves to play defense as well.

And that player is out there.

And I think that is that one piece that Duke is missing to put them over the edge.

But to be able to win an elite eight game for South Carolina, at 54 points is absolutely insane.

And that was their lowest point scored all season.

So that's what Duke defense does to you.

All right.

Texas, TCU,

holy crap, the battle of Texas.

That was so much fun.

I knew that this was going to be fun.

We talk about defense.

Texas, all defense, TCU, all offense, led by Haley Van Lith.

And then Texas led by Madison Booker and Rory Harmon.

But Texas came out on top.

They said, it's all about the burnt orange.

Hook them 58 to 47 in their Elite Eight matchup.

This is the first time, like you mentioned, Autumn, Texas is going to the Final Four since 2003.

Maddie Booker balled out 18 points.

14 of them were in the second half.

Rory Harmon, to me, was the star because she doesn't typically score as heavy.

But she was like, I'm calling my number today.

And 13 points, 11 of those were in the first half.

So

what stood out to you from this Texas team saying, we are the inferior Texas?

Well, you knew coming in, Texas was going to hang its hat on defense.

And CCU is a great offensive team and not just great, they're super efficient.

When I think of, you know, in terms of scoring inside and out, they got the three ball, they can work off all screen actions, like they are constantly moving.

And you have to, you have to be on your P's and Q's when you're facing them.

And that's exactly what Texas did.

They looked uncomfortable.

They looked sped up.

They looked in times were like in discomfort for a full course of 40 minutes that they really couldn't get anything going.

You know, Madison Booker shining as she always does, Rory Harmon as well.

These two together are a nightmare.

But honestly, I thought the unsung hero too was Kyla Odefer, too.

Like she came in and did what needed to be done inside.

She had some impressive game-changing moments, some energy plays as well.

Just Hank, like just really holding down the paint.

So I love the effort on all ends, both ends for this Texas team.

And it took them a minute to get going for TCU.

And in an Elite Eight game, like you can't have that.

But they were like, they should be proud of what they were able to do and stay close with them.

With Sedona Prince, obviously with foul trouble, she ended with like four points.

That hurts you because that's a main piece of your big three.

But credit to the Longhorns defense, like that was a true Texas fight.

And it was really cool to see how, you know, a lot of people, including myself, was saying, like,

I'm going to put that out there because it's on the record.

Like, I was saying it too.

Like, it's all the record.

Come on, let's be real.

Like, a lot of people.

You weren't thinking it.

You weren't thinking they were going to make it this far.

And they said, we're winning this for autumn.

Only because

no, I'll take it.

Because the only reason I said that is because I'm like, hang, you know, I want to see if they can get some threes to go to, like, you know, that outside shot a little bit more.

They get to the rim constantly.

They get in the mid-range, but will that be enough?

They say, yeah, because teams still have to score on us.

Like,

heard you.

Big Schaefer, a legend.

And truthfully, honestly.

if they can hang their hat on defense and make teams like just search for offense like that They're a problem, they've been a problem, and they've constantly shown us that game after game.

So funny.

I love how you mentioned the threes because they went two for three from the three-point.

They don't shoot three.

Meanwhile,

they don't shoot threes, they only make three a game as a team, which is just unheard of, especially in this day and age of basketball.

Also, a stat that jumps out to me from this box score: 21 to 8, and that is turnovers.

TCU turned the ball over 21 times.

A lot of that was in that first quarter to first half, where they were getting five-second violations, half court, shot clock violations, throwing the ball out of bounds.

It was, I'm uncomfy with this pressure.

Like, please back away.

And Texas was like, no, we're not.

We're going to keep coming.

That was a fun matchup to watch.

And talk about stories.

TCU

is such an incredible story.

For those who don't know, TCU was, they needed tryouts, open tryouts last year.

And the year before that, they were one in 17 in conference.

Just an incredible story for them to be at this level and Haley Van Lyft to take another team to the Elite Eight.

We wanted that.

I did come around to it like, okay, this would be kind of cool if they went to the Final Four because this is an unexpected group to get this far.

But Texas is like, no, no, no, no.

It's our time to go to the final four.

So we're going to take that.

I did want to go back one game real quick and how TCU even got to this point is that they beat Notre Dame.

And when I say beat,

they beat them.

Notre Dame played terrible.

I think we all watched that.

They did not shoot the ball well around 31% from the field, if I believe.

The only other team that held Notre Dame to under 37% prior to that was TCU.

So

I thought, because I also picked Notre Dame to win that game, I thought it was going to be this

rah-rah, they beat us earlier in the season, but we're better now.

And then they proved that they were not better actually in this moment.

And TCU just won that game.

Haley Van Lynff went off for 26 points, but we got to say bye-bye to Notre Dame and we didn't expect to so soon.

We all picked it.

We did.

I mean, it was that back-to-back loss experience in the beginning of the season.

We're like, oh, it's Cayman Islands.

Like, it's behind them.

And they went on, I think it was like a 19-game winning streak.

So I was like, okay, cool.

Like, this is a different, different team that stumbled down the end.

They're going to get it together with this break coming into the NCA tournament.

TCU said, no, this is our year.

We're going to ride it.

We're the dark horse here.

And just shout out to that program.

Like you said, just turning things around.

It was a historic season.

You know, you look at all the starters.

They had like, what?

It was like 21 seasons at 12 different schools combined.

It was their first season together.

It was the greatest turnaround that we have seen.

They were 26 wins better than, you know, when Mark Campbell took it over two years ago.

And you're here at the Elite Eight.

Like you can't ask for anything better.

And just shout out to Haley Van Lith for being so vulnerable throughout this entire journey, sharing her story, because the internet and social media was not nice to her.

Like, let's be so for real.

And at the end of the day, she is a human.

At the end of the day, yes, this is basketball, but like, these are 18 to 22-year-old women, young women.

And I'm just so proud of her, of how she's been able to just rewrite her story.

It is not done yet.

It's been so cool to see, like, you know, who she is as a person and how she leans on her faith

and how TCU just poured into her.

Like, she was the perfect piece at the right time.

And I'm so glad that she got to experience that.

For sure.

Such a great story for Haley Van Lith.

And on the other side of that coin, though, for Notre Dame,

whoo,

rough, rough shooting night for their superstars.

Hannah Hidalgo, Sonia Citron, Olivia Miles, I would say is their big three.

They go 10 for 44 from the field.

You're not going to win a lot of games like that.

I think it was shot selection.

I think it was lack of ball movement.

It just didn't, it wasn't the Notre Dame that at one point was the best team in the country.

So it was disappointing.

I do think that season as a whole, for them not being in the final four, not being in the championship game is an underperformance for that whole team.

And Olivia Miles had a decision to make.

You know, she was number two projected pick in the WNBA draft.

Seattle Storm could be heard crying if you really listen because

they were, they traded.

They were like, yes, this is our player.

And Olivia Miles said, no, I'm not only not coming to the WMBA, but I am entering the transfer portal.

Autumn, where were you when this news broke?

Because

I know that I screenshotted this so fast and sent it to my husband with red sirens, like 20 red sirens.

Like, did you see this?

I can't even send this as a DM.

I am texting this to you because what?

I was shook, shook.

I was on the plane, so I couldn't scream.

Thankfully, I had my Wi-Fi turned on because I wouldn't have gotten it until I got off the plane.

So I was locked in.

You know, when it dropped down, it was like, oh, she foregoed her WNBA draft, that part.

And I'm like, okay, cool.

Like, like, she's going to come back for another year.

And I saw a transfer portal.

I wanted to scream.

I was like, what?

I think that's the part that's so shocking.

Like, okay, cool.

Like, she wants to come back.

Didn't end off on the note that she wanted to, has the perfect pieces around her for a championship run.

Neal Ivey is like an iconic coach that has turned, just kept the, the ball rolling after the Muffin McGraw era.

This team has everything.

And it's Notre Dame.

Like she has started there.

You look at players and it's like, okay,

they're going to start and finish there.

They are Notre Dame through and through.

But this one shook me.

because of that reason.

Like I thought she was going to start and finish there.

And just with everything around her, she was going to end her final chapter there.

So that's why it shook me.

Crazy.

Wild.

Woo!

Last thing I'll say on this before we move on is,

you know, we were all excited coming into this season on how Hannah Hidalgo and Olivia Miles were going to play with each other.

And I think a lot of people forget that it was Olivia Miles' team

by herself before,

and then she got injured.

And then it was Hannah Hidalgo's team by herself for a season.

And then it was like, yay, we're coming together.

We're going to see this.

And they're so young.

So we could possibly see this for multiple years.

I don't know.

I don't want to speculate.

I have no idea.

I don't have any reports of what's going on behind the scenes.

It could be personal.

It could not be.

It could be that there's not enough basketballs.

It could not be.

I just know that both of those players are really, really good.

And

we got to see it shake out together.

But now what excites me is that this is going to continue this parody conversation and that now it's not this front-loaded, you know, backcourt on one team.

But now Olivia Miles is going to go to another team and immediately make them better.

Or she's going to go to another team and she is going to be the superstar all on her own.

But we know what she can do.

So it's not like she's going somewhere else to prove anything.

We already know that she's a baller.

She just maybe has one other year and wants to see what's out there.

And she'll still

be a top pick for the WNBA next year.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

Can't wait to, when we get on with these microphones and when she announces where she goes, which, by the way, is happening very quickly.

They're entering the portal and they're making decisions.

And I have no idea where she's going either.

Like, I'm trying to think, okay, where, where would she go?

And I don't know.

I'm like, who needs to go?

Am I going

to?

there's so much i have no idea okay last one of the the roundups real quick because it was pretty quickly and obvious ucon as a number two seed playing against a usc team who was a number one seed but like we mentioned before juju watkins their superstar goes down with an acl injury in the round of 32.

so this was a usc team that had to kind of make the impossible happen and go up against not just any team, but a UConn team that is playing really, really well, firing on all cylinders with a Paige Beckers who's playing out of her brain right now.

UConn ends up winning 78 to 64 over USC, and they advance

to their 24th.

Final four.

So we're talking about other teams where, oh, it's been so long.

UConn is like, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is the standard.

Actually, we're not even the standard.

This is just one step to go to the championship, which is the standard for us.

But Paige Beckers.

You are a baller.

31 points, nine of 18 shooting for this time.

She had a 40-piece the game before that and another 30-piece the game before that.

The last player to have three games in a row with 30 points.

Do you know who it was?

Paige Beckers herself.

Yes.

She's her.

Her freshman season.

Like, come on.

So we know what Paige can do.

She is so, so good.

But Autumn, I also want you to talk about Sarah Strong and how the freshman came into this game knowing that she did not have great outings the games before.

But this is her first tournament.

She was in high school last year.

People forget.

She's only a freshman.

How did she just turn the gas all the way up in this?

Not only that, but to have that mind shift and confidence, knowing that you're going up against a lottery pick in Kiki Area Finn, too, to battle against her and still have that same dominant performance is unheard of for a freshman.

And Sarah Strong continuously, night in and night out, provides such consistent effort that just has you in awe.

Like, we're like, wait a minute.

In another life, is she a freshman?

Like,

what?

This girl is special.

And you see, you know, her parents and everything where she came from, like, like, obviously that's been built in her.

It's in her DNA, but she's going to be something special.

Yes, Paige Beckers is about to leave, but you have Sarah Strong who is coming in, knocking in, knocking down threes.

She's so versatile, like the spin move she had, just the composure, the body, the body control.

Like, she is one of one and she does everything, like just like the little things that sometimes don't even show up in the box score as well.

Her efficiency, her consistency, her ability to like work off the dribble, her footwork, it's unmatched.

And it's just going to be really exciting to see that, okay, this was your freshman year.

How do you keep growing from here?

Because that's scary.

That is scary.

She finished with 22 points and 17 rebounds plus four assists.

For those that that don't know, that's really good.

Those are really good stats,

especially as a right.

People have been comparing her to Maya Moore.

And I see it.

And that's a great comparison.

That's a lot to live up to, but she's creating her own paths.

She's playing her own game.

She can do so many different things at 6-1, like as an undersized post.

Again, Anissa Morrow, it doesn't matter.

Like that's just built in you.

Man, to just be in the same sentence as Maya Moore like I'm I'm trying to think what sentence

as Maya Moore I think only if we were in the same room yeah like okay yeah who's all in this room oh Jordan Robinson and Maya Moore literally that's it and it probably wouldn't even be next to each other in our

then our names wouldn't even be next to each other in a sentence like that so for Sarah Strong to be compared I think it's because of her versatility and her efficiency.

Maya Moore was a player who could get a bucket at any single spot on the floor and is a forward, but also has guard skills.

You see her bringing the ball up, but then she could also post you up.

And it doesn't matter.

She can score at any level.

So, UConn, you are always spoiled and have a plethora of riches.

And now I am so jealous that you get Sarah Strong in a UConn uniform for three more seasons, regardless of what happens this weekend.

She is still going to be able to fall out for you.

Real quick on USC,

they tried their hardest.

It was going to be a huge load on freshmen, like we talked about.

Maybe in UConn's case, that was okay because the freshmen turned up.

Freshmen who were used to playing the back seat to a Juju Watkins and a Kiki area fan all season long were asked to do a lot.

And it was a very, very heavy task.

But it was actually the senior, it was Raya Marshall who had such a great game for the Trojans.

23 points, 14 rebounds, seven for 12 shooting.

One of her best games of her career comes in her last game of her career.

So super proud for Raya Marshall.

And this USC team has to be very, very proud.

Juju sent a message on Instagram saying she wished she was in the building.

She is so proud of her team.

Just heartbreaking.

But I know that this is not the end of their story.

Like they have really solid pieces to get them back here.

Yes, they had the number one freshman class come in.

This is now the place to be that Juju has kind of like, not even kind of, she has just rejuvenized this program and, you know, what she was able to do in her freshman year, carried over to her sophomore year, just praying that she comes back stronger and healthier than ever, which she will.

just the human element of it.

Again, like she is a human.

She loves basketball.

Basketball is her everything.

So you just, you just pray for her during this time, hoping that that she's well and just taking time for herself because it is a long process.

But it was really cool to see like her teammates step up for her every single way, like the shirts, the Funko Pop, like everything about it was just incredible teammates.

But again, they're not done.

They're still writing their story.

Juju is so young.

This freshman class will have a year of experience under their belt.

And the transfer portal is alive and well.

So who knows what pieces they'll grab.

Sure is.

Woo!

Alive and well.

And I think people are going to want to come and play with Juju.

I think that's also what's on full display.

Shout out to Funko Pop getting all this free promotion.

Maybe it wasn't free.

Maybe they paid for it.

But man, that we know what a juju funko pop looks like.

And the bun, maybe it's a bobblehead, but the bun still did not move.

Never does.

I love it so much.

It just and all.

Never does.

I love it.

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Final four, final four.

I can't believe that it is here.

March was a very long month.

but it is now over and it is April.

And if you make it through the trenches of March, then you get to get to Tampa in April.

And that is where we are headed.

Games are Friday, and the championship game is on Sunday coming up.

But let's go through these and give our one thing that we would look out for.

If you are watching these games, as you should, you better.

Here's the thing that you should be watching.

So let's start with South Carolina and Texas, both number one seeds.

They're going up against each other for another time.

This is going to be number four, right?

Of the season.

Number four.

That they played each other.

Fourth time they played each other.

Woo!

And South Carolina is winning that three wins or two wins to one for Texas.

Got him one time.

What is, Autumn Johnson, your one thing that you will be looking in this matchup?

Defense for both teams.

Both teams play sound defense.

And when you look at South Carolina in particular, trying to run it back, it's going to have to be, you know, coming down to trying to clog the paint with Texas.

I mean, they have a lot of size.

Their guards try to attack the rim or get in the mid-range.

It's all going to be about neutralizing the size inside and clogging the paint.

So for me, it comes down to that.

And if you compare that with some offense, both teams, like we just mentioned, it Texas not really being big on the three-ball, but South carolina as well struggling beyond the arc so i think that's going to be the difference maker that's so good i i love when teams know each other so well and they're just going to be like okay

we can scheme we can scheme we can scheme we can watch game film of ourselves playing against them and what went wrong what went right but at the end of the day to me it's going to come down who wants it more.

I know that's a little generic, but based off of what I said about South Carolina earlier, who wants it?

I want people diving on the floor.

I want box outs every possession.

Like, I think this is going to come down to a possession, maybe a few possessions, but that's

it.

Also, both of these teams, this is going to be another low scoring game.

If you want offense,

maybe this isn't a matchup for you because this is going to be a low grinded out game, which is really fun, especially at the Final Four level.

Okay, love it.

Love it.

Next one is UCLA, a number one seed, the number one overall team going up against a number two seed in UConn.

This is the first NCAA Final Four appearance for UCLA.

They did win a championship in the NIAW with Ann Myers-Drysdale.

Just have to throw that in there.

But for UConn, we mentioned it.

They're 24th.

So you have this program if you have the whole program on your back for both of these teams one key as you are watching this game ucla first

yes i spoke to paige beckers and i asked her what separates teams from the sweet 16 and elite eight to break into the final four and she said you have to be connected and i trust her with everything because she has got her team to a final four every single year she has played and uconn's one of the most connected efficient teams they go in with a one-and-oh mentality ucla has been preaching the same thing not getting ahead and making the moment too big but if i can add in a bonus key you got to neutralize both stars like lauren betts has been going off paige beckers has been on a tangent you have to neutralize the stars if you're looking at both respective teams

That's what it comes down to.

Are they going to be able to cancel each other out?

They might cancel each other out at 30, but but are they going to be able to cancel each other out?

Lauren Betts versus Pagebackers, they don't guard each other, they don't play the same position.

So it's going to still be a team effort.

But I'm very curious if Gino watched that last game, sees Lauren Betts on the bench for a whole quarter, and he says, Let's see if the rest of UCLA can do it again.

We know that Lauren Betts is consistent.

Let's try to get her in foul trouble early.

See if she has to sit again.

And if Gabriella Jake scores 18 points again, if Tamia Garden, like we, we are going to make that bet to see if the others show up again.

I would be curious to see if that is a game plan that he rides with.

But either way, I love what you said.

Neutralize the superstars.

Good luck with that.

Glad I'm

just neutralize them.

You can't stop them.

Just try to slow them down.

Just try to slow them down.

I love it.

Okay, before we leave, this is a little bit of a tricky one.

Let's power rank these final four teams based off of number one, you would be least surprised if they win the title to number four.

That would be super, super surprising if they win it.

I feel like this is hard because we just said there's any of these teams could win it.

But what is your ranking as I think about it?

Okay, I see what you're doing here.

Let me go quick.

No.

Okay, so one, UConn.

Obviously, the way they've been playing, their big three is super efficient.

AZ Fudge, she did have a breath game last time, but like, I don't expect that going back to back.

Two, I'm going to say UCLA.

Oh.

Oh, gosh.

But all right.

I like that.

Hold on.

Actually, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Okay.

See, that's the middle of the pack is hard because do you do South Carolina?

That is South Carolina or you CLA.

Because honestly, I feel like

the only reason I put South Carolina at three is because they've been scaring me.

I'm just going to be honest.

Yes.

That's fair.

This is fair.

We are the same so far.

That's the only reason.

There's too many close calls.

Maryland, Indiana, and now Duke.

Like at some point,

where does it break?

And that's what scares me.

Yeah.

And then then for texas they don't hurt you offensively as much and if south carolina figures it out they can on both ends but again other teams have to score like we said versus tcu they flustered them their defense has always been their solid foundation and that can help you win championships they're a great rebounding team as well so that could give them the edge but they're going to have to go up against south carolina who has seen them for the fourth time all right i i agree with you i agree i I was going through that with you.

We have

UConn, UCLA, South Carolina, Texas.

I agree.

I think Texas would have to have an incredible shooting night to be able to, two shooting nights to be able to win it all at the end.

Not saying that they can't, but I think they have the hardest climb so far.

We said that about Texas getting out of this hard bracket, and they did it.

They are here and they made it to the final four

it doesn't matter these are going to be really really get great games it is only tuesday i wish it was friday immediately because then they would be on my tv screen but

this was so much fun autumn I can't wait for you to be on vacation after all of this because you deserve it.

You've been working.

So have you

booked and busy?

Booked, busy, and blessed.

Booked and busy.

We are both in hotel rooms right now.

I'm in Dallas.

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A few days because that's where the party is going to be at and that's where the good basketball is.

Thank you, Autumn.

This was so fun and happy Final Fourth.

Happy Final Fourth to all.

I can't wait to see you.

Safe travels here and this is some fun.

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The Women's Hoop Show Show is an Odyssey original podcast hosted by me, Jordan Robinson.

Today, our co-host was Autumn Johnson.

Our producer is Phil Sweetek.

Our video team is led by Kurt Courtney and includes Tim Meekle, Evan Cox, Allison Jeffrey, and Lauren Vieira.

Our executive producers are Greg Holtzman, Pasha Saluzha, Danny Freisinger, Maddie Sprunkiser, and Leah Reese Dennis.

And special thanks to Moira Curran and Josephina Francis.