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Hello.

Hi there.

Hi.

Welcome to our second drink of Halloween.

So guess what, Jenna?

According to pretty much every online poll, in fact, I didn't find one where this wasn't true, season two Halloween is ranked as the number one office Halloween episode.

I don't doubt it.

I think it's my favorite.

I loved our breakdown of this episode because we had Creed in the studio for the entire episode and he shared so many fun things.

Well, Ange, I agree.

And I actually panicked because I couldn't think of anything that we hadn't already shared about this episode.

You guys, Angela and I have been dividing up, taking the lead on second drinks, and I was assigned to Halloween and I did not know what we were going to do.

I really felt like we shared it all.

But then, guess what?

What?

I found my old MySpace blog for this episode.

Old tech.

Yes.

And there were several tidbits that we never shared.

Are you ready?

I'm so ready.

All right.

First off, Ange, in our breakdown, we talked about your cat costume and how your tail was very hard to sit in.

But according to my blog, one of the ears on your costume kept falling down and it was ruining takes.

Do you remember this?

I do remember this because sometimes I could feel it fall

and it'd be flat on my head and other times I couldn't.

And so I would start talking and Oscar would be like, your ear.

I was like, what?

But I had completely forgotten about that till you reminded me and I was like, oh, yes, it was driving us crazy.

Well, I also shared that you broke several cookies in that scene that we had together in the conference room.

You know, the one where you ask me what I brought and I say brownies and you're like really pissed off because you're like, same category as you brought cookies.

And then I like slam the tray down?

Yes.

In my blog, I wrote this, quote, Angela kept slamming them down on the plate in disgust during the scene.

I actually remember us breaking.

I remember laughing because I broke them.

And I, it's got to live somewhere in some blooper land.

It must.

I mean, we talked about how that was a hard scene to get through, but I failed to mention that you were destroying cookies with one ear.

Now, this episode also features the very first Jim and Pam Air High Five.

I know we talked about it because I love it.

Yes, we discussed it, but we did not talk about how that was an improvisation.

That was not scripted, lady.

So wait, it wasn't in the shooting draft?

No, I can't believe I didn't share this the first time.

In fact, there wasn't any description in the script for how Pam reacts to Jim pretending to be Michael Scott on the phone.

He does this impression of Michael

because they're tricking Dwight.

Yeah.

And when he hangs up, we do the air high five.

But in the script, it says nothing.

It doesn't even say Pam looks delighted.

And my memory is that John suggested that we air high five to give it a little button at the end.

We unnailed it the first time and everyone freaked out on how cute it was.

It was super cute.

It's also the no-look, the no-look air high five.

It's special.

It's like, uh-oh, these two are in sync.

What's going to happen with these characters?

Well, this is where it all began.

I love it.

And then, Angela, according to my MySpace blog about this episode, Paul Lieberstein improvised a line in his scene with Steve that made Steve break.

And I wrote that it took Steve two full minutes to recover.

And I'm like, wow, how did we not talk about this?

I checked our breakdown, and sure enough, we had not discussed it.

I went back, I watched the episode.

There are not any scenes between Toby and Michael.

It's a deleted scene.

Oh, I must have written this MySpace blog before I knew what the episode was actually going to be when it aired.

Right, right.

So there's this deleted scene where Toby asks Michael for the name of the employee that is going to be fired so that he can start the HR paperwork.

And Michael tries to fire Toby.

I found it and I thought we should listen to it.

Okay.

Michael.

What?

Michael, do you have the name of the employee you're letting go?

I'd like to start working on outplacement.

Fine.

If you are so anxious to see a head roll, it's you.

There.

You brought it on yourself.

Too bad.

Can't say that I'm sorry.

It's a a relief.

I don't report to you, Michael.

I report to the head of HR in New York.

You asked for a name.

I gave you a name.

Now you're not doing your job.

Why don't you just resign?

They've just sent someone else.

You need to have an HR representative.

Just know that if I could have fired you, I would have.

I know, Michael.

What line made him laugh?

Well, that's the thing.

I said that it was some improvisation that made Steve lose it.

I was clearly sitting in the background at reception observing this whole thing be shot, but I checked the script and it's exactly a scripted.

So I guess maybe the improv didn't make it in the cut, but I do know that if anyone could make Steve break, it was Paul.

I feel like it's the moment, just very resigned.

He says, I know, Michael.

That's my guess.

Well, finally, Angela, I shared in my MySpace blog that Rain, John, and Brian held their first ever PlayStation 2 boxing contest during our downtime for this episode.

But I guess the episode finished shooting before they could finish the tournament.

I noted that Rain and John were down to their final fighters.

That just brings me right back.

I know.

Those guys, we'd be in a scene and they'd be like, okay, last take, last take.

We gotta get, we gotta go.

We're like, guys, are you doing your boxing much?

Or are we doing the scene?

Pretty much.

Well, that's a really fun second drink, lady.

Thank you.

I was very excited.

Well, everyone, we hope you like this breakdown of Halloween.

Like Angela said, it's with our dear friend Creed Bratton.

It's a really good one.

Creed is so fun.

You're going to love it.

All right, here it is.

Enjoy.

I'm Jenna Fisher.

And I'm Angela Kinsey.

We were on The Office together.

And we're best friends.

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I love it.

Creed is here.

Creed.

Creed is here.

Creed is here.

Creed is in the house.

Yeah.

This is so amazing.

Creed's going to be with us for the whole episode, guys.

Okay, Creed, you're our first in-house visitor, right?

I mean, we've had people call in, but you're our first in-house guest.

I'm the first one.

I might have a bathroom break or something.

I won't be for the whole thing, but I'll be in and out.

We can provide you with that.

That'd be good.

We can provide it.

I'm old school.

Well, I'm old, so that's part of it, you know.

I need everybody to know that I've already teared up twice since Creed has been here.

You've said two touching things.

Well, first of all, just seeing you

almost burst into tears, but then you've said like five amazing things that have touched my heart.

Well, as soon as I get together with you, it's just back.

We're back on the set, you know, and it's all like, oh,

I miss you girls.

Creed lives down the street from me.

I think everybody who knows me knows this.

Don't give my address, Paige.

I won't.

Creed's address is.

His hidden key is.

Yes, we are neighbors, and it's one of the joys of my life that we're neighbors.

I love that you're right around the corner.

I love that we have

to go to the street.

We see each other hiking around the street.

We do.

You were walking.

Was it your daughter's dog?

Your son's daughter.

My son's little Yorkie, yeah.

You're Lil Yorkie, and I hear, hey, pumpkin, and I turn around, it's Creed.

And we've also maybe had some adult beverage and red sauce.

We may have.

We may have.

And we like to do a little bit of what we call the sauce trail and walk around having a glass of wine and watching documentaries.

Oh, yeah.

Creed loves anything where like animals go crazy, like planet Earth.

Yes, all that stuff.

I just love it.

All right.

Well, we are really excited to have you here.

We are discussing the Halloween episode.

Yes.

Right, right.

Season two, episode five.

This was written by Greg Daniels and directed by Paul Feig, and it is the first episode that Creed speaks.

Well, I actually saw

Diversity Day.

In Diversity Day, I had lines with Phyllis.

Yes, I did.

And they paid me afterwards.

Well, the first AD, remember that girl we had, the first AD?

Yeah.

The first season?

She thought I was part of the cast at the time.

So she came, we had her little hands, and she said, now you and Phyllis just start talking.

And Phyllis said, wait.

I said, never mind.

It's okay.

Never mind.

Phyllis was going to out you.

Phyllis was going to out me.

So never mind.

It's fine.

And so we started, and I started talking about, you know, sacrificing goats or something, you know,

trying to tell her what was on her head.

Your improv was sacrificing goats.

Yes, that's fantastic.

So you can hear me in the background.

And then later on, they said, wait a minute, Creed's talking in the background.

And I said, oh, shoot, how did that happen?

Yeah, how'd that happen, Creed?

So

they paid me on the side, but they didn't say, but we can't.

I said, no, it's fine.

It's fine.

And then not off-camera, then I also was the voice for the ride.

Yes, for the mining ride.

For the mining ride, you know.

I think they paid attention to that one.

Yeah, you were so funny as the voice of the mining ride.

And Isabel was watching that episode with me and she said, Mom, I know that voice.

I know that voice.

And I was like, wait, you're, oh my gosh.

She was like, I think it's Creed.

She, how discerning is she?

She is.

I mean, I didn't catch it.

And then I looked it up and I'm like, Isabel, we do know that voice.

It's Creed.

Yeah.

But anyway, this is the first time where I actually

had some serious lines.

It was six and a half pages.

I remember Kent Zabornik threw the script down and said, okay, here it is.

This is your moment.

Wow.

And I had memorized it forwards and backwards.

I had set a timer on a little recorder at a night, subliminally at two and three in the morning, that would go off and play the lines while I was sleeping.

Crazy.

I had it backwards and forward.

No joke, I had it backwards.

I knew this was the Rubicon.

This is the place that I was going to get.

My intuition said this is it.

And then, of course, we walk in the office and Greg, they came in and said,

By the way, we've made changes, of course, to

the lines.

We've reversed them around and added some new stuff.

You okay?

Steve goes, Yeah, fine.

I go,

because they used to do that to us.

All the time.

Oh, we would come in and you just get new pages and then shoot the scene five minutes later.

Yeah, they would hand you the pages.

And sometimes we've talked about this, the pages would be hot because

right off the copier.

And we'd drop them somewhere.

Ow, ow, ow, ow, ow.

Now change, now change your lines.

Yes, yes,

that you have learned and you've been having a tape recorder play at three in the morning to you.

Do you remember the backdrop there right off of where my desk and Kate's desk was?

And the screen there.

So you could sneak around the back and get to the green room from behind it.

That setup like that.

I walked back like that after they told me this and put my hands up and said, okay, here it is.

And I said, I've come this far.

I'm going to do this.

And once we started, though, with Steve, it was like.

into into battle, you know?

Yeah.

And there was some improvisation on that scene because I was paraphrasing my lines because I was desperate.

Well, you knocked it out of the park, Creed.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, Creed, you started out as a musician.

Yep.

And a very long, successful career as a musician.

How did you even end up on the show in the first place as our stand-in slash background person?

I was a background person.

I was working on Bernie Mac.

And Ken Kwapas came on to direct an episode.

And they'd been using me for all these little vignettes where I was doing funny.

And if you ever watch old Bernie Mac, you'll see me all the time in the background mugging up.

I really want to see that.

I want to see that.

I'm always in the background doing some stupid stuff.

They don't allow me because I made Bernie laugh.

I made him laugh.

And so Ken was talking about this guy's funny.

And he heard from Joe Moore, the first AD, that I was in the grassroots.

So he sent to Amoeba for some albums for me to sign because he was a big grassroots fan.

And we started talking and talked about music, and he's very knowledgeable.

Then I found out that he was doing

the Office of American Workplace and I was a big fan of the Ricky Gervais show.

So he gave me his number.

Now I've never ever called anybody like that before.

I called him as my intuition said, this feels right.

This feels right.

And Ken would not have given you his number.

I feel like Ken is so discerning.

Oh, my God.

If he didn't mean call me.

Yeah.

Yeah, so he did.

And so he talked to Greg, and then I talked to Ken later, and he said, said, well, I talked to Greg.

I told him you're a very

interesting and funny guy.

And he said, well, what we'll do, and this is his words, Greg's words, we'll put him in the background and see if we can work him into the mix in that first time.

That was it, working in the mix.

That's all I need to hear.

That's why I took liberties just kind of like pretending that I was

part of the

part of the group.

And that paid off, you know?

Yes.

Oh, I love that.

Oh, that is

awesome.

What's next?

Should we do a a summary?

Jenna, do you have one?

You know I do.

Yes.

So in this episode, Halloween, Michael is told that he must fire someone during the month of October due to cutbacks at Dunder Mifflin.

But in true Michael fashion, he waits until the very last day of October, which also happens to be Halloween.

He also has no idea who to fire.

He has not made a decision.

He spends the entire episode trying to figure out what to do while the rest of us are dressed in our costumes for the Halloween party.

I love love that.

I love that.

I love the juxtaposition of that someone is going to get fired while wearing a ridiculous costume.

And they're going to have to go home fired in that outfit.

Well, I have a fast fact about this episode.

Fast fact number one, Greg Daniels wrote this episode, and he told me that the inspiration for this episode was that he had always wanted to do a story about someone being fired, but from the point of view of the boss rather than the employee.

He felt like we always see stories of people being fired and how they're wrestling with having been fired.

But he was like, you never see what it does to the boss.

That's the genius of Greg Daniels right there.

Absolutely.

Well, the problem that this plot presented for Greg was that he was going to have to fire someone on the show.

He was going to have to pick a Dunder Mifflin employee to be part of the plot.

Yes.

Well, he couldn't fire any of the series regular characters because we all had contracts.

And he didn't want to fire any of the supporting cast, even though at this point, you guys still did not have your full-time contracts.

No,

we didn't become series regulars till Booz Crew.

So listen, we were all on the chopping block.

Were you a little worried?

Well, maybe.

Well, Greg didn't have any intention of losing them.

He didn't want to lose anyone in the warehouse, but he also told me he didn't want to hire someone new that you'd never seen on the show just to fire them.

He felt like those stakes would feel very manufactured.

So he turned to our two background actors, Creed and Devin.

Creed and Devin.

And he was like, well, these guys are very well established on the show at this point.

And this is where I'd like to know what happened because I know the end of this story, which is that Greg found out that Devin had a theater contract coming up, that he was going to go on tour with a play.

And so.

That's what Devin said.

Yeah.

At the time, though, they told us

one of you guys are going to have to go.

Oh, we went.

And we went.

But we don't know yet.

We're just going to do that.

We're going to shoot you both.

We're going to see how it works out.

Oh, my God.

They're going to shoot the scene.

Well, they wait.

They know that we're going to shoot.

We're going to shoot the thing because they could have gone back and changed it, I'm sure.

Oh, oh, because Michael could have said, you know what?

I said, I said it was Creed and it's Creed.

You can't change my mind.

But it was going to be one of us.

They said it was going to be one of us.

And

I remember being a little nervous.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And

Devin and I were friends.

We'd become friends by this time.

Well, sure.

And by the way, you know, on the finale, jumping ahead a lot, I don't know if I could kind of jump ahead to you.

You can, really, can.

When Greg brought me to the office to find out what I wanted to do for the Creed character, I said, well, one thing I'd like to do is sing the song, sing my song, but I also think we should have Devin back on the show.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, because we get together sometimes, you know, and have coffee and stuff like that.

I was feeling nervous because I kind of was feeling bad that I might have to go, but also that Devin might have to go too.

So it was

mixed blessings and all that stuff.

All right.

Fast fact number two, this is the first time we see Pam's hair down

instead of her usual half up, half down hair clip.

That to me is so important.

Oh, well, then, Creed.

Then, then, Creed, you're going to love some of my note cards

if that's important.

Buckle in.

But this was a huge deal.

Kim Ferry, our hairstylist, and me and Greg and Paul Feig, we all had a meeting about Pam's hair and if we could let her hair down.

And it was, I mean, it must have been 30 minutes.

We talked about it.

There was a lot of concern that she might look too pretty with her hair down.

And I can't remember how we got permission.

Kim was delighted.

I mean, Kim had been putting my hair in a hair clip now for like 12 episodes or something.

She was so thrilled to be able to scrunch it, do something different, anything, anything different.

And it was kind of a big deal.

So, well, they were playing down both your beauties all the time with the way they dressed you and put you in style.

That's right.

Did everyone hear that?

Did you fight?

Creed says they played down our beauty.

That is true.

Toward the end, did you guys lobby for?

Come on, just let us show a little bit of, you know.

I remember really wanting lip gloss.

Yeah, something like that.

What's funny to me is that that was a 30-minute meeting about your hair.

Meanwhile, I go to Hair and Makeup and they put on full enormous purple fake eyelashes on me.

If you look at me as this cat, I have big purple eyelashes.

They were so huge, I had a hard time like even navigating them.

Like I look, when I watch the episode, I look a little sleepy.

I think it's because I couldn't open my eyes.

No meeting?

No meeting.

They just put, I was like, are you sure?

They just put them on me.

And then one of the writers walked up to me.

I can't remember who and was like, do you have purple?

It's probably Mindy.

She's like, do you have purple lashes on?

I'm like, she might have been jealous.

Yeah.

Yeah, she wanted to.

She would want those purple lashes.

No one said anything.

Why is Angela Martin putting on purple fake eyelashes?

Everyone was too busy meeting about my hair.

Yeah.

Yes, yes.

All right.

Fast fact number three, Creed.

I don't know if you remember this, Angela.

I think maybe you do.

The week we shot the Halloween episode, Ricky Gervais and Stephen Merchant visited one day.

I know this because I have a photograph with them.

In your cat outfit.

In my cat outfit.

And Jim is three-hole punch Jim, but you can't really see the holes because he's got his arm around someone.

So it's a whole picture of our producers and Ricky and Steven and me and John.

And I am the only person wearing a costume.

I like to imagine that

they came to see me in a play where I played a cat or something.

You're one at a play?

Because we look like we're standing

backstage.

And you were given the cat, yeah.

You're the only one in a costume.

Yeah, this is how I know this because I only have two pictures of myself with Ricky and Stephen, and one of them is me in a cat costume.

I remember that they were there because I still, my ears still hurt from that high castralto

of Ricky Gerbesh.

The laugh.

That's such a good impression.

He laughed.

He laughed at everything.

He was

so cold.

He lived some coffee.

Yeah.

Oh, by the way, ladies and gentlemen, he is the sweetest man and just a joy.

All right.

Those are my fast facts.

That's our summary.

Maybe we should go.

Do we need that bathroom break?

Let's do a bathroom break.

Let's do a bathroom break.

i could use one by the way i just want to say i just love these fast facts oh well then if you love the fast facts get ready for the note cards creed oh my i can't wait be still my throbbing heart okay

it sounded a little weird when you said it like started to be weird and then i drifted away okay go back go to the bathroom

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All right, let's get into some note cards.

Can we get

this?

Let's get into the episode.

Let's do it.

I have a note card from the cold open.

Oh, what is the cold open of this?

Okay, so the cold open is you say that

Jan called and he's like, oh, yeah.

And Michael has to go in because he knows he has to fire someone.

Right.

And so he calls Jan and her assistant, Sherry, answers the phone.

Yes.

And Sherry has so much good sass.

She's like, okay, well, who are you going to fire?

And he goes, well, I'm not really sure.

And she's like, we just need the name.

Jan needs the name.

Jan needs the name.

And then he's like, who would you fire?

And she's like, just give me the name.

And then, and then he thinks he's hung up and he's like, I'd like to fire you.

And she goes, still here, right?

He's like, I wish I could fire Sherry.

Sherry.

I mean, I want to know who Sherry is.

Who is Sherry?

Yes, I thought the same thing.

So the first thing I did, I went to IMDb, Internet Movie Database.

I did too.

I looked up this episode, uncredited.

Uncredited.

Who is Sherry?

Who is Sherry?

I reached out to Dave Rogers.

He was the editor for this episode.

You guys, he knows everything about the office.

He didn't know.

That is saying something because he is like

the Bible of the show.

He's an encyclopedic memory cat.

No one knows.

Listen to what Dave did.

Dave reached out to Allison Jones, our casting director, who went to her storage facility.

Oh, my lord.

Found the contracts for this episode, looked it up.

Wow.

Allison, thank you.

Oh, my gosh.

Allison, you're like an episode of the Pelican Brief.

An episode.

This is a movie.

CSI the Office.

You're like CSI the Office.

It is Lisa Malone.

Okay.

And by the way, this was shot on September 13th, 2005.

Wow.

Well, Lisa, you were fantastic as Sheriff.

You killed it.

You killed it as sharp.

Oh, man.

And Allison, thank you.

Thank you for being our CSI the Office.

I want to go back, Angela, because I have a note that precedes your note card.

Is it at five seconds?

Is it the shot of Devin and Creed at their desk?

The establishing shot.

Yes.

Yes.

I noticed it too.

The second shot of this episode is Creed and Devin at their desks.

I have to imagine this was not an accident, that they wanted to drive home Devin and Creed since we know that one of them is well placed.

Yes, well placed.

It's Phyllis putting on makeup and then it goes to Devin and Creed at their desks.

Well, the scene with Michael and Pam.

Do you guys remember how he's he's wearing the second head?

Yes.

And he

and Pam goes in his office and he tells her that he needs to fire someone and then he sort of implies maybe it could be her.

Oh, I have two cards from this scene.

And so Pam decides to quickly start flattering him.

She pivots hard

about his costume and then she just gets out of the room as quickly as possible.

I could not get through that scene.

Listen, Steve is funny enough on his own, but Steve with that extra Steve on his shoulder,

it was too much.

And it wobbled in a sort of way.

He was wobbling it all.

He loved it.

He loved wobbling that thing.

He loved it.

Anytime you give

a cat.

Come on, guys.

That was a great.

That's what she said.

Come on.

He loves wobbling things.

He loved wobbling that thing.

Oh, that's what she said.

Hey!

We got it back.

We got it back.

We got it back.

Creed, what did I write at three minutes, 12 seconds?

Oh my God, Pam is diabolical.

Her turn to flattery when she realizes michael would fire her wow

diabolical

diabolical i'm seeing a real devious streak in pam

i want to just comment if i may please the the brilliance of steve carell the pain and the anguish in his face when he's trying when he's getting ready to fire someone you can just see it though he's just

dying he's absolutely dying he's not acting he's like to me he looked like a man just suffering suffering

preiment death.

It's interesting you bring that up, Creed, because we've talked a lot about how Michael wants to be popular.

He wants to be friends with people.

He wants to be the life of the party.

But I think this episode goes beyond that.

That it isn't just that he knows that it's going to be, he's going to not be well liked by the person he fires.

I think it really, like...

I think it touches on something.

He really doesn't want to hurt someone else.

Yep, that's exactly right.

Yeah, so it's deeper than that, just unpopularity.

I was moved by his performance in that.

Yeah, same.

I mean, yeah, he crushed it.

I get more pictures at Halloween of Pam as a cat and Jim as Three Hole Punch.

I think that is the most popular Halloween costume that I get sent to me.

I get

myself, well, Angela Martin in an Argyle sweater, like with a turtleneck and a headband holding a stuffed animal cat next to some guy in a mustard shirt with with a tie and his hair parted down the middle.

What about you, Creed?

I get the Joker.

The Joker.

The Joker.

And then when Brian comes, damn it, Creed, and he hip checks Chew.

No, that's a later episode.

I know guys are both

dressed in the same colour.

He just knocks you over.

Oh, yeah.

I howl every time I see that.

That's a recurring thing.

Brilliant, brilliant.

Angela, I want to talk to you about your costume.

Please.

Okay, Michael comes over to accounting.

You're dressed as a cat.

There's three cats.

Phyllis is a cat.

I'm a cat.

You're a cat.

Yes.

Actually, we could do really quickly the rundown of costumes.

Kelly is Dorothy.

Phyllis, Pam, and Angela are cats.

Dwight is a Sith Lord.

Kevin is the Dunder Mifflin superhero.

Creed is a vampire.

Oscar is a lady.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't know if he's a character lady or just a lady.

I think he's a lady.

He's just a lady.

Jim is three hole punch.

Jim.

Stanley, no costume.

Ryan the Temp, no costume.

And of course, Michael has the two heads.

And Devin was a bad man.

Devin

And Devin was a hobo.

Hobo.

Angela, why does your cat only have two lines for whiskers and not three?

Jenna, I don't know.

Why does my cat have purple fake eyelashes?

Why does your cat have weird cat ears?

I mean, you, I just want to say that as the resident cat lady of the office, I think you have the worst cat costume.

Why do I have a fuzzy white skirt?

Why?

With a giant tail that was almost impossible to sit in.

It was so, and the skirt didn't quite fit me and it kept like heading south.

I had to keep like grabbing it and yanking it up.

It almost ruined the whole episode.

It did.

I think now there was such a big meeting about your hair that my cat costume was just like, eh, just put this on her.

But you ended up wearing that costume like two years

for years.

And it's the worst one.

It really is.

I have a vague memory, a very, very vague memory of being in makeup and having them discuss how they were going to differentiate the three different cats.

And it was decided that Phyllis and I would have three whiskers on each cheek, and you would only have two.

My cat was maimed.

I feel like that happened.

I don't know if we can ask Laverne.

Laverne was our makeup artist.

I don't know.

I don't know.

But I, I mean, right?

I just think you have.

You were smaller, that you didn't deserve three.

They decided to give me less.

I have to, while we're talking about height reference.

Yeah.

this scene in accounting, I have to point out that we don't often, our camera guys didn't often do like a full character slow pan, you know?

And they do such a hilarious one.

They start at Kevin's feet and they go all the way to his head while he's filing to get him in full red leotard.

With his socks all missing.

And like bulging in the wrong areas.

Oh my gosh.

It's great.

It's great.

There's a great slow pan of Kevin.

We should say we loved dressing up in these Halloween costumes.

Because our outfits normally were pretty boilerplate.

It was almost like we wore uniforms in a way.

And our wardrobe people loved, love.

The wardrobe crew loved getting to dress us because it was just like great turtleneck.

Angela, give us a note card.

All right, at five minutes, 23 seconds.

Creed, this is a runner.

This is a reference to a runner, but this is a really big deal.

What?

Kelly has braided like pigtails.

Oh, her hair is down.

Her hair is down.

Her hair is down.

Oh, my.

It's not in a bun.

Mindy had a bun for like the whole first season, and then about, I guess, it was like a twist, a French twist, I think.

I mean, she looked, her character really changes her look, and then she starts having her hair down.

She gets a little sassy, but this has been a big thing.

We've been wondering when did they change her hair?

This is the beginning.

I see, I don't think this counts because it's a Halloween costume.

What?

Yeah.

I'm sorry.

No, no, I agree.

I'm going to have to say I'm with Jenna.

Thank you.

It doesn't count.

Well, I don't know if I like you here, Creed.

All of a sudden, I have someone

to veto.

Two against one.

Oh, fart.

Well, I got pretty excited because her hair was down.

Well, but it was a costume, though, wasn't it?

Reb Redeida.

That's what I'm saying.

By talking to Jenna or Creed, I don't know anymore.

All right.

You know the scene where Pam and Jim set up a resume for Dwight to get a job someplace else?

I have a fan question about that.

RCJH asked, what were you typing on the computer when you and Jim were working on Dwight's resume?

I was typing what we were saying.

Of course, you were, Jenna.

Of course, you were.

Because you're so method.

I was very method.

You're like, I am a responsible person.

You would type out your lines on your computer?

Yeah, because, yeah, because Jim would say, like, I would say, what should we say here?

And then he would say what we should say.

And I would type it.

And I see, here's the thing.

I'm very proud of my typing skills.

Oh, we know.

We know.

Yeah.

Creed, do we know or do we know?

We really know.

I'm back on your side, Angela.

Thank you, Creed.

Is this how it feels?

Yes, sir.

Is this how it feels in your life?

Yeah, if you walk in this thing with your fingers, you'd be sitting there.

We'd be talking about stuff at a craft share and your fingers would be going like you're typing.

Oh, now that is not too much.

It was too much.

It was too much.

Tone it down.

And then you would tell us about your typing speed and your level of accuracy.

Well, you should know I was typing her actual lines.

Well, I think that's pretty great, though.

Because she could, and I can, and I will.

And you're fast, too.

That's very fast.

Michael's scene with Dwight when he calls Dwight into his office and he tells Dwight that he has to fire someone.

And Dwight starts naming all the people he should fire.

But then Michael implies maybe it should be Dwight.

And then Michael's second head starts talking to Dwight.

Do you remember Steve and Rain laughing during that scene?

Because I do.

I remember they could not get through that scene.

I'm sitting out at reception in the background and they were cracking themselves up in there.

Rain was literally doubling over because he was like kind of leaning forward and he would just kind of collapse into himself.

He was laughing so hard.

There must be deleted scenes of that scene.

Oh, man.

I would love to see that.

I would love to see that.

Yeah.

That is a funny scene.

Well, Paul Feig called in when we did Office Olympics, and he said one of the things he loved about directing episodes of our shows is that you could really find a shot that was cool and you would have the support of Greg to just kind of go with it.

And he sort of found that shot where Dwight as the Sith Lord has his like hood kind of like, it looks like it's straight out of the movie.

Yes.

And they just love it.

And shot from the side, right?

Yeah, shot from the side.

And they sort of just found that and went with it.

And Greg was totally supportive of it.

And Paul was talking about like how fun that was to have that creative freedom and find those little nuggets.

And it's so cool looking.

We had a lot of shots like that.

They're just more the cookie cookie cutter or stereotyped, you know, sitcom theft.

We'd get interesting shots at times.

Yeah.

Because the cameramen were so great.

And something that we haven't talked about on the show yet is the idea of actor marks.

So usually on a television show, so that they can get these shots, they put a little piece of tape on the ground.

And if you, for example, if Jim had to walk up to Pam's desk, there would be a little mark on the ground and he would have to stand exactly on that mark.

And it's really hard to do.

I mean, do you guys find it hard to do?

I'm always, I feel like I'm always looking down for the tape.

And then I get to my spot and I look up.

It's like a hard thing to manage.

Well, on our show, we did not have that.

They would just let us wander.

They would say, just walk up in this general area and the camera will find you.

It was so loosey-goosey, so amazing.

Didn't you say you were in a band?

Called Lucy-Goosey?

I was in a band called Lucy Goosey.

I was.

I was in a band

with Peter White, who used to play with Al Stewart.

And he probably still does.

We had a band with Dave Camp on Saks.

And I remember we played the rap party for this movie I did with,

worked on with Bo Bridges at the beach house at Lloyd Bridges' house.

Lucy Goosey.

We played out there and they were dancing out there like Annette Funicello and the surf and stuff.

Lucy Goosey.

Oh my gosh.

Creed, we just need you to just sit here and tell us about all your life.

Creed, you're literally the most interesting life.

I have a fan question.

I'm a fascinating character.

You are.

And humble, too.

This is a fan question question from Todd Myers, and this feels like a good place to ask it.

Who is the biggest rock star you ever partied with during your touring days?

Oh,

wow.

Maybe it doesn't have to be the biggest.

What's the most interesting?

Yeah.

I lived

for a while at the Camero's Highland Estates.

And Linda Ronstadt was there.

Laura Nero was there.

Jackson Brown used to.

There was a lot of people playing at this place and lived there and they would play their instrument.

You hear the instruments going around the Cameron High, Cameron

Highland Estates.

And Butch Trucks from the Almond Brothers was there.

And one night, Butch came over.

Wait, wait, wait.

I'm so sorry.

You all lived together?

No, we lived at the estates in little bungalows.

You could rent these bungalows at the Cameroon's Highland Estates.

Now it's been fixed up a little bit.

It's right next to the

Veterans of Foreign War place, I think.

They're right on Highland Boulevard, right on Highland Boulevard.

Right off the get-off the freeway.

It's right there.

And like a lot of artists.

A lot of artists were living there.

So Butch Trucks from the Almond Brothers came over one night, and

Griffin from Bread and Jesse Ed Davis, who used to play with John Lennon, came over one night.

And we jammed.

We jammed for hours and hours and hours and hours.

And there was a lot of heavyweight guitar players there at that night.

I remember Butch wanted me to go back to

Alabama and be the lead singer for this group, Cowboy, but that never happened.

Creed, your life is amazing.

jenna i don't know that we would have been hip enough to hang out there we would not

well i have a card right here tell me seven minutes 44 seconds creed we have some ppc rubber oh i got it down pam versus angela angela sass angela's ass but also same category same category What?

I get this.

So my character says,

what?

You brought brownies?

Like, what did you bring?

And you're like, I brought brownies.

brownies.

And I'm like, but I brought cookies.

Same category.

Yeah.

Same category.

You should have brought something savory.

You know, Andrew.

Is that what you say in the thing?

Same category.

I say, same category.

Don't remember that.

Well, I mean, I feel like there's a backstory missing here.

Did you assign me something other than brownies?

Sure, I did.

I did.

That's your implication.

Yes.

You're implying that I went rogue and brought brownies.

You said it was a good thing.

Where's chips and dip?

I clearly at some party plan.

Don't you say, where's the chips and dip or something?

I clearly, at some party planning committee meeting said, all right, I will make sugar cookies.

Why don't you bring the dip and chips?

And then you show up with these freaking brownies.

How dare you?

Wait, Sam, can we see that?

Those aren't chips and dip.

No, I made brownies.

What?

I'm just trying to figure out why you're sabotaging things.

I made brownies.

And I made cookies.

Same category.

All right, after watching that clip, I will admit I think Pam did go a little rogue.

Clearly, you assigned me chips and dip.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Same category.

Yeah, same category.

All right.

I needed to hear that because I think, Jenna, if it was your house and you were having a party, you would, this, like, you would be like, hey, come on.

Yeah.

All right.

Guys, I think we should go to a break and then we'll come back and finish the episode.

All right.

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I'm doing wonderful.

Oh my God.

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And we are back with my delightful neighbor and an office favorite, Creed Braddon.

Thank you.

Creed, we're going to make you come back on this podcast all the time.

I hope you're ready.

You know what?

We could curpool.

I could swing by and pick you up.

You're like, oh my God, Angela, lurking, lurking.

These office ladies.

You guys, do you remember the scene where Jim takes a phone call?

from a potential employer for Dwight, and he does a Michael Scott impression.

It's really good.

John does a very good job.

It's at 8 minutes, 34 seconds.

Oh, you've got the time code.

Guys, is this when we find out that Michael's middle name is Gary?

Oh, is this the first time it's said?

Because he says

Michael G.

Scott, Michael Gary Scott.

Yeah.

I don't know.

Because later it was when we had the scene where we show

him as a little boy.

And

he doesn't get all the love that he wanted because he wanted a family.

That's later, right?

Yeah, yeah.

Okay, that was Gary.

We knew Gary there.

That might be.

That might be the first time.

I don't know.

I'm putting it out there.

Our fans will know.

Our fans will let us know for sure.

I loved the scene.

I just thought that John crushed it as Michael Scott.

And it also had the Jim and Pam Air High Five.

The first.

The first.

Air High Five.

Yes.

I'm getting Creed's getting misty-eyed.

I got, I literally, when I saw it,

I think I audibly said out loud to no one, oh.

Yeah, super cute.

Okay, so I have a question about the Air High five.

Say it.

So I was trying to do the air high five with my daughter Isabel.

Now, granted,

she's 11.

I'm 48.

Maybe we, our timing's off.

We couldn't get it.

It's difficult.

You guys did it perfectly.

Yeah.

And you know what?

We kind of did it perfectly the first time.

That's what it was meant to be.

It was meant to be.

That speaks to our chemistry, I believe.

So shortly after this momentous Air High Five, very sadly, Pam tells Jim he should go for the job at Cumberland Mills.

But the job is in Maryland, and he is so hurt.

This happens a lot with you guys.

Yeah.

Him going off to do a job.

It's a recurring theme, right?

It is because he's, you know, later he's going to go off to the other branch.

And then later to New York and do that stuff with the sports thing, right?

That kept happening.

And then you go to art camp or school.

Art camp?

I went to a university.

Thank you very much.

And then she goes to the

plaster of Paris making place.

Jeez.

But yes, they constantly are being pushed together and pulled apart, right?

Yeah, they are always, yeah.

It's true.

But sometimes just through a comment, we're seeing in this second season, in each episode, there seems to be a really sweet moment with Jim and Pam, and then a moment where someone gets their

feelings hurt

a little bit.

So many feelings.

So many feelings.

Feelings.

But then at the end, Jim admits that if it weren't for Pam, he would take the job at Cumberland Mills because the pay is twice as much.

It's a better job, yada, yada.

So, why is he staying?

He just basically admitted why he stays at this job.

Yes.

Yeah.

What was the one where he admitted that crabs are his favorite food?

So, he was going to go to this one.

Maryland.

Was that Maryland?

But that was the case.

That was the crab.

That was the crab thing.

Yeah, soft-shelled crabs are apparently one of his favorites.

Who knew?

Who knew?

Well, he eats that tuna sandwich every day for lunch, so he is a seafood fan.

So he just stinks all the time.

I guess Jim kind of.

Andy could have called him crab if he wanted to but oh crabby jim eats tuna sandwiches and pam eats sour cream and onion chips they're a match for wow and i eat mung beans

wow what is are the smells in the sauce

i know yeah oh dear all right so finally michael asks for jim's help and he wants to do some role playing where he tries to fire someone.

And that is just a delicious scene.

Did you enjoy that one?

How did John get through it?

Is what I want to know.

When it's like Steve, it's Michael.

It's like, why?

I'm going to kill myself.

And he's like, wait, is this you as

you?

Or who are you right now?

What is happening?

John has to check in.

And this brings us to your big scene, creating a creative creator.

This is it.

After that scene, he calls you in and tell us, break it down for us.

What was it like to sit in that chair and now you're going to launch into five pages with Steve Carell?

Right.

I mean, I never had five pages with Steve Carrell, or six and a half, you said, six and a half.

Six and a half.

Originally, they may have cut it down, but it took a long time hours to get through that.

And I mean, I never had more than a few lines with him one-on-one.

So, yeah, let's hear about it.

Well, first of all, there was a scene where I slowly take out the teeth, you know, and I resolve myself.

I gird my loins, as it were.

I stand up with an irresolute, and I march in like

Nest Ferratu, you know, with a purpose.

Are these some of your notes that you wrote in your script for an intention?

Yes, sir.

This is just some storytelling.

This is the B story.

I'm into the story right now.

Yeah.

Exactly.

So you march in.

So I march in, and then I remember I sit back like this, and I put my, cross my feet, and I kind of houch down, and I have my arms crossed because I'm protecting myself from attack like this.

And he goes, well, Creed, I just don't like this.

I said, well, then you want to leave?

And he says, no, no, I don't.

No, yes, you do.

No, no, I don't.

You're the hardest person to fire ever.

You're going to leave.

No, no, really.

No, no, I'm very happy here.

I said, Creed,

I've got to fire somebody, and it's got to be you.

Well, then fire Devin.

You know, he's horrible at his job.

You know, I'm so much better at my job.

And I'm doing the Creed voice right now, too.

It goes up a bit, you know.

And then I just fought.

I just fought for my survival.

And we just kept doing it over and over and over.

And finally, and Steve is so great.

It's like

you've all done scenes with people where it's forcing it.

It's so hard to get through a scene.

Working with Stevens, he kept tossing me like these big beach balls and I had a nerf bat.

It was just easy.

It was easy to hit those things, you know.

God bless him.

He's a very giving

person, you know.

And when you're in scenes with him, he's so eager for you to get the laugh.

He doesn't, some actors, guys out there, they want to laugh.

They want that moment.

And Steve is so eager to share it and really just what makes the scene work is what he focuses on.

But Dave Rogers later, he said what made him laugh the most is when I stood up here and said, no, no, you're doing a good job.

Good for you.

I love that.

I quit in my finger.

And now, again, all that stuff was just off the top of the head.

Yeah,

when I re-watched it, I was like, oh, that is Creed.

That is classic.

That is just Creed being Creed.

Yeah, yeah, that is actually.

Yeah.

Because I feel like you've left me voicemails where you're like, hey, pumpkin ta-da-da-da-da-da-da.

I was just stuttering, perhaps, too.

But you were doing a bit.

I was doing a bit, yeah.

No.

But still, I look at that with fond memories.

It was a great, and I thank Steve so much for being so gracious as an actor to work with, you know.

So after that scene, Michael does fire Devin

in a much shorter scene.

Devin gets so angry.

He announces to the office, if anyone wants to join me at Poor Richard's Bar.

Poor Richard's Bar, is this the first mention of Poor Richard's Bar?

Well, he says he gives him a chili.

He gives him a chill.

Michael gives him a chili's coupon.

Chili's coupon.

A nice nod back to the Dundees.

Yeah, he rips it up.

He rips it up, yeah.

But have we, because we end up mentioning Poor Richards Bar over and over again, and we go there eventually.

But have we mentioned it yet?

Oh, in the basketball episode.

I think Daryl suggests that we all get drinks at Poor Richards.

Okay.

In that scene, though, where Devin invites everyone to Poor Richards, there's three people he does not invite.

Oh.

Yeah, you're right.

He lists a bunch of names.

Who does it?

It's very personal.

It is personal.

Who are are they?

He does not invite Michael.

He does not invite Dwight.

He does not invite Angela.

He doesn't invite you.

What?

There's nothing.

They're just made this arbitrary.

It's an arbitrary.

Why not hear?

I'm sure I've been, you know, bitchy to him at some point.

He didn't.

I'm sure.

Or maybe he just knew you wouldn't go.

Maybe so.

He might have a crush on you, too.

Oh, come on.

Oh, he might have.

You never know.

So he leaves and he smashes a pumpkin.

There we go.

A Michael.

And when we go downstairs, we see Hank, the security guy, at the security desk, who was played by Hugh Dane.

God rest, he's playing.

Yes, who passed away a couple of years ago.

He was so nice.

Yeah.

Just a sweetheart.

And so great is Hank.

His delivery was always perfect.

Amazing.

Is this the first time we see Hank?

At the security desk?

I think so.

It has to be.

You guys leave, you know, for

to go to the dojo.

Yeah, but we saw him there.

You don't see him, no.

Well, it's brilliant because there he is, and he's sitting there.

And it's another example of introducing a character in an episode where they don't speak, but they will eventually.

Yeah.

They will come back.

He did that with so many people.

He did that with Craig in the warehouse and the Alliance.

You just see him in the background watching Dwight pop out of the box.

Creed, of course, you were in the background forever.

And then now Hugh Dane in the background is the security officer.

Just so thoughtful.

And this thing that I love about our show, and we've talked about Creed, is that Greg had the audience just start in the middle.

He doesn't explain things to you.

You discover it as you go.

It's not spoon-fed information.

Yes.

I love that.

Well,

I don't think we can end this episode without talking about Michael's list of former costumes.

Oh, please list them.

Okay.

He's really, really bummed.

The camera crew wasn't there the Halloween before when he was Janet Jackson's boob.

Very topical.

He's really bummed.

You guys missed it when he was Monica Lewinsky's

dress.

Yeah, twice.

And then he was Monica Lewinsky the year before.

Yes.

And then before that, he was O.J.

Simpson.

So where does he pick these up?

Very topical.

Great costumes that he was really sad the camera crew missed.

I know you're going to want to talk about.

Very in with Michael and the Trick-or-Treaters because it's just such a touching moment.

I cry.

Yeah.

Every time.

I did too.

I did too.

Every time.

I was loving the show, and then when I got to that episode, he just killed me.

I said, oh my God, this is a perfect episode.

One of the great ones, you know.

Yes.

At the end of the episode, Michael goes home, and you see him sitting alone, very lonely, on the couch.

And then the doorbell rings, and there are trick-or-treaters at the door.

There was a big debate on set about how exactly this scene should play out, about whether or not the kids should be nice to Michael, or if they should be annoyed by Michael, how Michael should be with the kids.

Should he be off-putting?

Should he be kind?

And the writers and producers

also, well, they also discussed if he should be happy or sad while handing out the candy.

And they decided that they were going to start on that spy shot of Michael looking sad and lonely all alone on Halloween night.

But when he gets to the door, I'm going to cry saying it.

He lights up.

He makes his silly jokes.

The kids laugh.

The kids love him.

Love him.

They love him.

And it ends on him making a connection.

I i just think it is the most kind and heartbreaking

wonderful scene i think it's moments like this that make the office so special

we just spend an entire episode kind of laughing at michael scott or finding him annoying but then in the end he just breaks your heart with his vulnerability take them all don't they drop them don't worry take them off take them all yeah take them all take them all take them all and they're all yours yeah

and uh that's the first time we we we saw him just so loving but really i don't you think so at that moment we saw his heart we saw his his heart come out there at that moment.

Well, and you

tore me up.

It tore me up.

And you have to think that Michael is somewhere being a great dad.

Yeah.

He's a great dad.

And I wish we could see that.

That's the one thing when we talk about a reunion, obviously, you know, we don't want to tread on hollowed ground that is the office.

And we don't want to mess with anything that everyone loves so much.

But boy, I would love to see where some of these people are.

And I would love to see Michael as a dad.

Yes.

Yes.

Do you agree that when you watch that scene, I think more than any other scene I can recall, I see Steve.

Yes.

That is Steve.

No, absolutely.

Steve handing out candy.

Absolutely.

That's the kind of just kind-hearted gentleman that he is.

And I think that's part of the reason, too, why it hits you that hard, Jenna, because we see our friend and we see

the kind person he is that gets to shine through, which often is Michael Scott does not.

No, he is not.

This is true.

Well, I have one little final piece of trivia.

All right.

In the credits at the end as it rolls, over the Deedle D logo, which Deedle D is Greg's company, his daughter Haley actually drew the picture that says Deedle D when she was little.

Oh.

You hear, and it's the only time it ever happens, Dwight's voice say, quiet, you.

Oh, really?

Angela.

Do we know why that happened?

I think they loved it.

They pulled it from earlier in the episode when Dwight is the Sith Lord.

Is that the only time that there's a dialogue?

It's the only time there's dialogue over Deedle D.

Wow.

Oh, I'm kind of moved by that.

That's kind of cool, right?

Yeah.

Quiet you.

Quiet you.

Well, we did it, guys.

We did it.

That was the Halloween episode, Creed.

Thank you.

Thank you so much for coming.

But before you go, will you tell us what are you up to now?

What are you doing?

You have an album and you're touring.

I'm touring.

I was

in Europe,

UK, and in Scandinavia for a month touring and doing shows.

Had like seven, I'm bragging now, seven sold-out shows of the UK.

Went great.

I'm off to Australia, New Zealand in February.

And then you did the whole East Coast too.

Because I was texting with you guys.

Then I did the East Coast and had a great tour there too.

And the fans, and I want to thank all the office fans for coming out and supporting my character and my music.

And it truly means a lot.

I'm having my second childhood now doing this.

And by the way, I have a surprise for you, ladies.

What?

I brought which I think may be the single, if there's going to be a single from my, I'm going to play you a little snippet if you'd like.

Yes, of the album.

Can we do this in there?

Can I play it right now for you?

And you guys, before he plays the song, I just want to encourage you, if Creed is coming to a town near you, go see his show.

It is fantastic.

And apparently, he also makes fun of me during it.

Quite a bit, Angelius.

And we are trying to figure out one of your locations where I can come on stage and give it to you right now.

Where can people find the schedule?

Uh, creedbratton.com.

We love you, Creed.

All right, let's hear it.

Here we go, and the ride.

You taught me how

you taught me then

how I could one day

be your friend

It's not so hard

Just don't lie

Don't control

Then by and by

we'll be

side by side

We'll be

side by side

Forwards left to the right

All right, that's that song.

There it is, gang.

What do you think?

Well, Angela's sobbing.

I just started crying.

The song is so beautiful, Creed, but also, and I totally am emotional, but oh my God, it might be too emotional.

Oh, well, you know what?

It just, do you ever have just like a wave hit you where you're like, you know, you're in a special moment?

Yeah.

Yes.

And it just hit me.

Well, that would taped with the two of you today.

Yeah.

I feel like we're in a special moment.

It just felt really special and like something I'll always remember.

And I'm facing my best friend who is now my boss lady business partner.

And I'm so proud of us and

this journey we've taken together.

And then I just love you, Cree.

I love you, sweetie.

You're like, you know,

my family.

Well,

ladies and gentlemen, the last album I did, I had a song called More Than You Know.

And one of the first people I ever played it for was for you and Josh, you know, at your house.

And I came over and acoustically played it.

And she started crying.

I started crying.

I knew I had a winner then.

Well, Creed, some of my favorite memories on the set were at lunchtime when you would play guitar and Ed would play banjo.

Ed's trailer was next to mine.

You'd go in his trailer and the two of you would play through my lunch.

And you guys would call, you'd come over and stick your head in and listen to me.

We'd come over and hang out.

For years, my alarm clock is banjo music because it would make me think of you guys.

And sometimes, especially when I was pregnant, if we had a little break, I might take a cat nap and I'd wake up to banjo music and it was like so pleasing that I made my alarm clock banjo because I thought, oh, maybe I won't wake up grumpy.

Ed and I had so much fun.

He's a great banjo player.

I haven't played with him in a long time because we're working all the time, but I would love to.

Oh, yeah.

You guys were great together.

Well, thank you again.

Thank you so much for having me, my dear friend.

Creed, can we end with a final fan question?

Yes, of course.

This is from Tim Blair.

Tim asked, do you have a favorite Creed line from the whole show?

Which one's Pam?

Which question, Pam?

I could tell you.

Gosh, I don't know.

It probably would be

someone making soup or which one's Pam.

But I think, actually, I would have to be.

In the 60s, I made love to many, many women, often outdoors in the rain and the mud.

It's possible a man slipped in.

There'd be no way of knowing.

Yes.

Yes.

Lost from the booth.

And that is how you end an episode.

Thank you, my friend.

Thank you, Lee.

Thank you, Creed.

Oh, everyone, please join us next week when we will be be talking about the fight.

The fight.

Yeah.

Or miss you, Crease.

You have to come back.

Oh, I'd love to come back.

Okay.

Thank you for listening to Office Ladies' Second Drink.

This episode was initially created in collaboration with Earwolf.

Office Ladies is a presentation of Odyssey and is produced by Jenna Fisher and Angela Kinsey.

Our executive producer is Cassie Jerkins and our audio engineer and associate producer is Daniela Silva.

Odyssey's executive producers are Jenna Wise-Berman and Leah Rhys Dennis.

Office Ladies is Mixed and Mastered by Chris Basil.

Our theme song is Rubber Tree by Creed Bratton.

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