All About Creed Bratton

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We have a fun, fun episode today. It's an all-about character episode.
Here's a hint. In real life, this person is my neighbor.
And in fact, we carpooled here today. That's right.

It is all about Creed Bratton today on Office Lady 6.0. And Creed will be joining us in the studio a little later for our fan QA.
And I can tell you all, it's a delight. He's just wonderful.

Start to finish. Yes, the real deal.

Well, you know, we like to kick things off with the show Bible.

And I have been very excited to read the show Bible for Creed.

It is wonderful. But we got a fan letter from a fan who wrote her own.

This was so impressive. It came in from Cindy R.

in Sydney, Australia, who said, Okay, ladies, this isn't a question, but a list of facts, quotes, and moments that my family and I started collecting about six years ago in an effort to better understand Creed.

They have been doing this for six years. Six years, her family.
Wow. They have reached the conclusion that he might not be understandable.

Cindy went on to say, looking at this list now, I think we may have written the Creed section of the show Bible.

And lady, she did.

I compared their list to the show Bible, and their list is actually more detailed. No way.
Yes. So I am going to read her family's list.

Now, they also included things from deleted scenes, which I'm not going to read because the rules of the show Bible say that only aired material goes in the show Bible.

But still, check out her family's list. Here we go.
Creed, wanted criminal.

Definitely stole blood, runs a fake ID business, has been in multiple cults and is also potentially bisexual, hides true identity, stole the name Creed Bratton from someone named Creed Bratton,

commits tax fraud, implied to have killed someone someone on Halloween.

Doesn't appear to know what his job is, where he works, or any of his coworkers.

When swapped, he doesn't seem to notice or care that he's eating a raw potato instead of an apple. We talked to Creed about that.
Yeah.

Attempted to fake his death at one point. Has a daughter.
His parents are still alive. He grows and eats mung beans in his desk.
Doesn't appear to know any modern technology. Internet, texts, nothing.

Which might explain something else we talked about with Creed.

Creed wants three chairs. What are they for? We don't know.

He uses the woman's bathroom, has never owned a fridge, loves stealing, literally says, I love stealing, I love taking things, has definitely done drugs, sells Kelly a tapeworm.

and also has a worm guy for worms.

Has a whole worm guy. No.

The character of Creed lives near the quarry, ate an ice pack, called it a blueberry slurpee pouch, but somehow didn't die. Is very knowledgeable about marijuana strains.

Used printer ink to dye his hair.

He can't do cartwheels, has four toes, uses a disco ball as a rearview mirror, is very good at dance dance revolution. Hates Betty White.

Do you remember that one? I had to look this up. No, I don't remember that.
I guess in nepotism, he starts following Michael's nephew on Twitter because he isn't talking about Betty White.

Doesn't want to hear any more about Betty White. No more.
Leave it alone already.

In Search Committee, Creed says, quote, I love my kids. I love ceramic.
I love my job. I love wrestling.

He's already made his tombstone. He thinks he's learning scuba at Dunder Mifflin, and he's definitely been flashing people.
But, you know, quote, that was just hanging brain.

that's so gross he can catch fish with his bare hands he prints his own money and he does not know what a tobaccoone is that's really funny quote how did i get this long triangle yes i loved that

so that is a pretty impressive list right it really is it really is now there are a few things that were in the show bible that did not make their families list They are that the character of Creed was in an iron lung as a teenager, that he is a chess master, has a Swiss passport, has friends in China, and has an alias, William Charles Schneider.

Yeah. And he transfers all his debt to William Charles Schneider.
There you have it. That was so impressive.
His show Bible, the facts of Creed, are so entertaining. There's a lot of crime.

There's a lot of shenanigans and tomfoolery. I don't know why I'm saying all these ye oldie terms.
Well, I thought it might be fun to go through our digital clutter, lady.

You and I actually have some shared digital clutter that I have held on to. It is our text thread with Creed.
We have been texting together, the three of us, for years.

Yeah, we have our Office Peeps text thread, but we've got a side thread that's just you, me, and Creed. Yep.
And I want to share with you guys what it consists of.

First of all, he always calls himself Grandpa Creed, and he refers to me as Pumpkin, because remember, he has that line on the show, pumpkin's out. Yep.
And so he calls me Pumpkin.

And he always calls Jenna Jen. That's his nickname for her.
You'll hear him say that in our interview today. He is the only person in my life who calls me Jen, and I love it.

Okay, are you ready for an overview of our Creed texts? Yes, I thought this was really fun when you said, lady, I think we need to dig into our text with Creed.

I was looking at, we found very funny things. He sends us a lot of wacky stuff, memes and the gifts and all that stuff.

But he also sends us pictures from his trips with his grandkids, inspirational quotes like this one that he said is one of his favorites.

And we've shared it before on the podcast, but since today is all about Creed and this is one of his favorite quotes, I want to share it again. I love it.

Creed wrote to us and said, I thought I'd send you my favorite cat quote from Alan Watts. When a cat falls out of a tree, it lets go of itself.

The cat becomes completely relaxed and lands lightly on the ground.

But if a cat were about to fall out of a tree and suddenly make up its mind that it didn't want to fall, it would become tense and rigid and would be just a bag of broken bones upon landing.

In the same way, it is the philosophy of the Tao that we are all falling off a tree at every moment of our lives.

As a matter of fact, The moment we were born, we were kicked off a precipice and we are falling and there is nothing that can stop it.

So instead of living in a state of chronic tension and clinging to all sorts of things that are actually falling with us because the whole world is impermanent, be like a cat.

You know, I think Creed lives that. I do too.
You know?

I love that. I do too.

Well, you know, he also will always text us happy birthday, holiday greetings.

One year, he texted us happy new year to you and your cats.

And then he sent a video of a cat figuring out how to open a door. It was genius.
My cat, Andy, used to do that. We had a conversation about it.
But we'll also hear from him for just no reason at all.

Like the time that he randomly sent us a video where a dog and an elephant become friends. And then he texted, oh, come on, ladies, I'm a blubbering mess after this one.

He really loves videos where animals like

do cutie pie things. Right.
Or when animals help each other out. Yes.
Animals working together. This is a theme.
This is a theme.

So, yes, the theme is usually animals being really cute.

But then every once in a while, we get a curveball. Like, there was a 15-minute dance video he sent us.
I remember this. I loved it.
You loved it.

It was from a French theatrical company titled, Oh, Jenna, I'm probably going to get this wrong. Do you want me to read it? Yes, will you? Okay, here, give it to me.
Oh, yes.

Well, I'm going to butcher it as well. Here we go.
Ria de Grave, de Marguerite Bordat et Pierre Menier.

Exactly.

Probably I said that wrong. So that's the title.
But then when you click on it, there's a description of this dance. Yes.
A 15-minute dance.

And the description says, where in a space invaded by mud, eight couples strive to dance the minuet? in the rules of the art.

And then Creed wrote under it, enjoy this, ladies. Give it some time.
It's an investment. I remember receiving it and I remember clicking on it and thinking, I must watch this.

I remember watching it thinking, I would have never probably found this if not for Creed. Correct.
This is a fascinating piece of art. Yes.
Well, we also check in with him.

Especially when he's on the road touring. One time we reached out and asked him how he was doing and he wrote this.
He said, I'm in Philadelphia for a two-week tour.

It is so cold and snowy, but I love it. Miss you, girls.
I mean, it's so simple, but it's just so sweet. I know.

I also loved our text thread when we were writing our book, and we reached out to him for our audio book. He wrote us the most awesome jingle.

We thanked him profusely in our text, and then he texted us back: You're my girls. I have no choice.
Grandpa Creed takes care of his brood. Isn't that so sweet? Yeah, I think we should hear it.

Here's a tall tale, you could call it a yarn, about the office ladies and the show they spawned. They took our story and wrote it all down.

Little Angela and her friend Pom.

Jenna and Ange, Pumpkin and Pam

go together like eggs and spam. Their books real cute.
Rudy toot toot. Jenna and Ann, Jen.
Which one's Pam?

I mean, it's just so sweet. It's the best.
We got an original song written about our friendship and our book by Creed. Creed, he just recorded that at home with his guitar.

I mean, it's so special to me. Well, I just loved that trip down memory lane.
And you you know what? I think we should take a break. And when we come back, we can all share our favorite creed moments.

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All right, we are back and I think it's time for our office ladies team to share their favorite Creed moments. We always like to kick this off with a fan letter.
This one is from Luke B.

in Iowa who said, Creed is my absolute favorite character. And then in parentheses said, no offense.
None taken, Luke.

Because of his incredible, one-line, insane flyby comments that many times go overlooked.

Season two, episode 14, is one of those when he comes in while everyone is trying to figure out what happened in Michael's office. Spoiler alert, it was poo.

Creed makes the comment, quote, someone making soup. I believe it's one of the most underrated lines in the entire show.
It's such a great random throwaway. It really is.
It really, really is.

All right. Well, who wants to go first? I'll go first.
Okay, Sam. All right, mine was a toss-up between the old man's smell comment and this one.

Hey, why don't you tell Stanley that I have asthma? Because I don't. If it gets out, they won't let me scuba.
If I can't scuba, then what's this all been about? What am I working toward?

It's so pure. I love it so much.
Cassie, what's yours?

So, my all-time favorite is from Murger when Michael, everyone's doing like the New Orleans characters, and Michael tells Creed that there's been a murder, and Creed's like, oh yeah, I'll be right back.

And then you see him running away. But it's more of a sight gag.
So this is my runner-up.

Yo, is this his new chair? No, he hasn't picked one yet. Dad.

When Pam gets Michael's old chair, I get Pam's old chair. Then I'll have two chairs, only one to go.

Like,

what the heck?

I love that one. Angela, what's yours? Okay, mine is from the episode ultimatum in season seven.

So we talk about this a little bit with Creed, but if you remember, Pam has a conference room meeting, and she is putting up a New Year's resolution board in the office so everyone can try to work towards their new resolution.

And she asked different people, what is their resolution? And here's what Creed said: I love it. And then I have a part two.

Creed, I noticed you don't have a resolution on the board. What's yours? I want to do a cartwheel, but real casual, like not make a big deal out of it.
But I know everybody saw it.

There's one stunning, gorgeous cartwheel. How's it going? I'm having a little trouble motivating.

Then later in that episode, Aaron does a cartwheel in the bullpen. And Creed's reaction is amazing.

One, two, three.

I did it. I did a cartwheel.
F you. F you, God.

Okay.

That's it.

He just

cusses her out. He's so pissed.

All right, Jenna, what about you? All right. Well, I have two.
I couldn't decide. My first one is from Gay Witch Hunt.
I love this talking head. I'm not offended by homosexuality.

In the 60s, I made love to many, many, many women, often outdoors, in the mud and the rain.

And it's possible a man slipped in.

Would be no way of knowing.

I just love it. I think he delivers it so well.

And my other favorite is from Fun Run.

I've been involved in a number of cults, both as a leader and a follower. You have more fun as a follower, but you make more money as a leader.
I mean, it's true. I mean, come on.
I mean, come on.

It's so good.

Well, I think we should dig into some fan favorite Creed moments. BuzzFeed wrote an article titled 27 Creed Bretton Moments That Will Never Not Be Funny.
That's how many there are.

There's 27, but this doesn't even include deleted scenes and all the other ones that are probably going to be discovered now in the Superfan episodes.

So in addition to all the ones we just shared, here are some that make all of the fan favorite lists, okay? I'm going to just share five because there are so many. Okay.

All right. In Koi Pond, when Michael says, I could get a fish for a five cent worm and Creed says, you're paying way too much for worms, man.
Who's your worm guy? I love who's your worm guy.

Everybody loves that one. Number two, in Niagara Part two, we learn this about Creed.
Dwight says, parlay, my office, five minutes. Pam says, parlay.
Creed says, pirate code, he wants to meet.

Pam goes, so everyone here knows pirate code? And Creed says, I understand it. I can't speak it.

Number three, I completely forgot about. And are you ready? What is it? In the episode negotiation, Creed makes this very fair but disgusting observation.

He says, you can only ever ooze two things, sexuality and pus.

I do not remember that. That's so gross.

Number four, in Dunder Mifflin Infinity, when he actually uses the printer ink to dye his hair so he could look younger. Remember, Michael's like, I would have printed more things.

And he's like, but there's no ink. And then it cuts to Creed.
Lastly,

number five, this makes many, many people's lists. In fact, it's also one of Creed Bratton in real life's favorite moments.
He talked about it with us.

Everyone loves it when Creed got to be the manager in search committee.

There's a compilation clip of this day. It's pretty long, but I'm going to play you the first 50 seconds.
We need a new manager. Keep it running.
Do I love being manager?

I love my kids. I love real estate.
I love ceramics. I love my job.
I love wrestling. Find out what language this is.

Okay, team building. On this side of the room, Stanley, Phyllis, Jim, Ted, Elroy.
And on this side of the room, Pam, Meredith, Phyllis, Creed.

He never called a meeting. Bo body, Bo Body.
What does the first B stand for? What are we doing? We're making acronyms. Okay, what does the first B stand for? Um, business.
I like it.

Business. Good, Kevin.
All right, the O.

That's just part of his time as a manager, but... It's the best.
When he pulls up and he tosses his keys to no one, and then his Bo body. And you know what? You can see John laughing.
Oh, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. He's cracking up.
Well, Creed was John's weakest spot. Oh, right.
Like whatever, his Achilles heel when he was called tonight. Yes, it was for sure.

Yeah, he never regained composure when Creed was like, you're not real, man. Exactly.
Well, I love the character of Creed so much.

I love how he came about, lady, that just so organically, like the writers did not sit down in the room and think him up it's like they found him he was a little treasure just sitting on our set doing background work oh yeah I would dare to say the writers had no idea the treasure chest that was going to be Creed

well now we like to do our areas of interest Angela do you want to kick us off yes I am very excited about mine and so are people that wrote in Eva S from Tennessee wrote in and said one of my favorite things about Creed is creedthoughts.gov.

Can you read some of the entries? They are so funny. Thanks.
Love you guys. And Elise Kay from Minnesota said, I remember reading hilarious blog posts from Creed on NBC's website back in the day.

Can you try to find these and discuss them? Well, this was my area of interest. I was so excited.
This website is still active, you guys. What? Yes.
I found it, creedthoughts.gov. It's there.

That's ridiculous. Yes, you just go to creedthoughts.gov.
It's there. Really? That's nuts.
That's crazy. So the blogs were written by our writers and writers' assistants.
They were really popular.

And when you go to the site, it has a list of blogs. There are entries from May 2007 to August 2008.
So there's a lot of blog entries and they're pretty long.

They're full of classic creedisms, but I grabbed one to share. All right.
It is from June 26, 2008. I've always liked uniforms.
When I was a kid, I wore sailor suits every day until I was eight.

People called me...

Sorry. Oh my goodness.
Where is this going? Sorry. People called me Captain Crapstick

because of how I dress and the fact that I would carry around a stick with me that I use for poking all sorts of crap.

I still have my sailor suit hanging proudly in my closet, but I only break it out when a special lady comes over. It doesn't fit so well anymore, but I still look darn cute in it.

In my opinion, every job should have a uniform. Fast food workers, gas station attendants, exterminators, these guys all have it covered already.

I'm pushing for the jobs that make you waste time every morning deciding what to wear. Take my job, for instance.
I know I'm not allowed to wear shorts because every time I do, I get yelled at.

I also can't wear vests without shirts underneath, so I'm locked into wearing a certain combination of clothing every day. But there are just too many choices.

If it were up to me, I'd implement an office worker uniform so you could just wake up every morning, go go to your uniform closet, and three seconds later, you're all set.

My uniform would consist of three items and three items only.

This is fascinating. This has gone in so many directions.
I know. I've learned so much.
I know, right? Number one, navy blue sweatpants. These are the first item because they're the most important.

When I go home, the first thing I do is put on navy blue sweatpants. You can't find a more comfortable piece of clothing.
I thought this was so relatable.

The color is great because you can spill all you want and nobody's the wiser. All in all, if the uniform doesn't include navy blue sweatpants, I don't want the job.

Number two, a vest. No shirt required.
Vests are amazing inventions. They cover up your nipples.

which society has decided are unacceptable to see for some reason. And they're classy.
You want to class up a joint? Throw on a vest. You want to add some more class? Make sure that vest is leather.

Number three. Wait, I just,

so far, we're wearing a leather vest, no shirt, and navy blue sweatpants. Yes.
Okay. Although if you want a different type of material vest, that's fine.
But leather is the classiest. Right.

Number three. Final item, right? Because he only wants three items.
Is it shoes? Comfy slippers. Oh.
Right after I change into my navy blue sweatpants, I slide on my sheepskin lined slippers.

Talk about comfort. These little puppies make it feel like you're walking on a field of soft, paralyzed sheep.
I say paralyzed only so you don't picture the sheep as moving.

If I could wear slippers to work every day, I'd probably start caring about my job. These three items could change the workplace as we know it.
I'm serious, America.

Just think about how much more productive we would all be as a country if all office workers wore navy blue sweatpants, vests without shirts, and comfy slippers.

We'd be a comfortably dressed productivity superpower. And honestly, isn't that what all this fighting is about anyway? Lady,

I think someone could wear this as a Halloween costume. Yes.
And have like the ultimate deep cut office costume. Oh, that is brilliant, Jenna.
Yeah.

If someone wore a vest with navy sweatpants, no shirt, and

like sheep-lined, right? Yeah. Is that what he said? Sheepskin slippers.
Yeah. That's your creed costume right there.
It sure is. And if you want to be classy, it's a leather vest.

And you're going to be quite comfortable. I don't know what part of the country you live in.
You might be a little chilly, but.

Please, if anyone dresses in this creed outfit for Halloween, will you tag us? I hope we can find it because that's brilliant. Yeah.
I would like to have that. Okay, there it was.

That was my creed area of interest. These blogs are hilarious.
I could have read them all day.

Great job, writers and writer's assistants of the office. I bet they were a lot of fun to write.
Well, lady, my area of interest was inspired by a fan letter.

It is from Elsa S., who said, the character of Creed seems to draw a lot of inspiration from the real life Creed.

With the line sometimes blurred between the two, can you share what aspects of Creed the character are fictional and which are real? Well, lady, it's true.

Over the years, we have shared a lot about how Creed's real life often found its way into the character of Creed, but also how sometimes we don't know what's real and what's fiction. For sure.

So I thought it might be fun to do a little Creed Bratton factor fiction as my area of interest. Well, lady, I thought we should get to the bottom of this and why not just go to the source?

With Creed? Yes, that's so great. I made a list of questions for the real Creed to find out which aspects of his character come from fact, which ones are purely fiction.
Why don't we take a break?

And when we come back, we'll get him in here and we'll ask him my questions and also fan questions from our mailbag. Love it.

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Jen, I was in a hotel a while back. I think it was in New Orleans.
And, you know, when the office channel comes along, you come back to your room and there's nothing but office stuff, you know? Yeah.

So this one episode comes on and you're asking me about the cartwheel. Oh, yes, I love the cartwheel moment.
And there's a look on your face when I'm talking. It's the sweetest.

I got to tell you, it's the sweetest look. It's so endearing.
You're going.

And just like my kid or something, and just so pleased with dad. And

I didn't really notice how sweet it was for him.

That's so, that's a great little moment there, you know, this little tiny stuff. It is.
We all had to pick sort of for the episode today, our favorite Creed moment. And that is mine.
That's Angela's.

It's so sweet. It's just because it's so sweet.
It really is. I mean, I'm just kind of, oh, I just want to do this thing.
And I'm, you know, and, oh, gosh. And Pam's really rooting for you.

And she's rooting for me too. You know,

it's just great.

Well, listen, guys, here we are. We've jumped in.
Creed is in studio with us. We're already chit-chatting.
Yep. You guys carpooled together.
You told me it was eventful. Well, here's the thing.

We are neighbors. We shared this before.
So Creed's like, just text me and I'll meet you out. And I, so I pull up and he gets in and we start the drive.

And I, I went a different way than I normally go. And then I couldn't figure out how to get on the freeway.
You were arguing with Siri. I was arguing with Siri.
And then Creed goes, I got this.

He was like, All you need is Creed. I was like, all you need is Creed.
It's true. You put that on a t-shirt.

Put that on a coffee mug for for sure but then she gets on the freeway and there's someone who goes come on what are you doing and she's just she she drives around to the right and drives around and flips no

she did she did not

she did not here's the thing it was the the ramp when you get on and it says one car per green and there's two cars you were irate i was you were a little bit two they're two the light turns green neither of them go

how dare they and then i guess i got a little sassy you did and creed goes creed said i think that's texas attitude in california driving

there's enough and i said but this gets stuff done because she just shut around him and just boom he would have gone then creed started laughing so hard and we just got so tickled it was so good

because he was like you we have to tell everyone how sassy you are on the freeway i'm just saying just abide by the law Do the things we all are supposed to do. Turn signals.

And then I'm not going to call you.

Yeah.

I agree. Yeah.
Yeah. She's not arguing with us.
No, not at all. She's not.
Creed, I want to kick things off. I have some questions for you.

And these are things about your character, Creed Bratton,

that we would like to know if they are also true about you, the real Creed Bratton. Because you know, your character blurred the lines of fact and fiction sometimes.
It's confusing me, me.

It is.

I speak of myself in the third person a lot because sometimes I don't don't even know where I'm coming from. Well, I question, I question my own motives.

This should be an interesting session, then it should be. We'll see what happens.
I'm anxious to see what he's going to say. Okay, well, here's the first question.

Were you in a band called The Grassroots? Yes. Yes.
I was. We know this is true.

This is true. I think they know this, the fans.
Yes. So that is fact.
Fact. Is that what we're saying? Fact.
Fact. Okay.
So, how long were you in the band? Fact.

No, I was in the band. I did four albums.
So it was four years. A very, wow.
Yeah. Four albums in four years.
Four albums.

We'd put an album out a year. Wow.
Y'all were busy. We were busy.
Okay. Here's the next question.
Did you ever have a radio show called Wacky Weed Creed?

Not fact.

Okay.

Totally.

That's Oscar. Oscar thought that, but he was wrong.
Okay.

Were you in an iron lung as a teenager? Briefly.

Wait, what?

No, no come on no no okay i wasn't i wasn't but do you see how you had us this was what it was like being on set with you because we'd be like really and then you'd start laughing when i was a kid i would do this all the time to for just a defense mechanism to tell stories all my life and sometimes i would get people and they would believe people i have this innate ability to make people believe what i say as you know yes and some people would find out that i was kidding they would get angry sometimes you know i finally had there was a period of time where i had to stop just joshing around

people who took it too. I was, you know, just being.

Yeah.

All right. Next one.
Have you ever grown or eaten mung beans in real life? I have. I've done both.
Really? Yes. I've eaten them.
I've praised them.

I've had little shrines for mung beans in my home. It's kind of like a worship thing, actually.
Yeah. Where's is this?

Is there any part of this that's true? No, but mung beans are, you know, I like, I think I like alfalfa and ratty sprouts more than mung beans. But I do, there's a slight

small subcockle of my heart that likes mung beans. You're a very healthy eater.
I am. And I watch, I watch what I eat, you know.
Yeah. Did you really eat mung beans on the office?

Did they give you actual mung beans? Did you ever get it? Well, during the scenes. Yeah, you, right.
But I did eat them. And what happened? And I ate that potato, by the way, too.

You did the raw potato?

I talked about that

when they switch out the apple for the potato. I don't notice.
I ate the raw potato, and I couldn't tell that much difference, you know, because I don't have a really great sense of spell.

Wait, that's I chomped right down on that apple.

And now, wait, what does a mung bean taste like? I've never had one. Memorable, some.

Memorable.

It used to be a song back in the 50s, memorable mung beans. I recall now that's

memorable mung beans.

I can't remember the exact melody of it now, but it's kind of like spring that's gone a little rancid. That's, it sounds like

a bean that has turned. Hmong bean.
It sounds like maybe

fermenting. That's exactly what it is, Jen.
It's a fermented bean. Okay.
But it's a fresh, and the irony, too, it's a brand new, fresh, brand new.

germinating out, starting its life, but it's already rancid

at the start of its life.

Okay. Kind of like some people's careers.

But anyway, here we go. All right.
Next question: Do you have a daughter? I have a daughter, Ami.

Do you have, how many kids do you have? I have two children. You have a son and a daughter.
You have a son and a daughter. Okay.
Bo and Ami. Bo and Ami.
And now you're a grandpa. And I'm a grandpa.

So great. Have you ever been in a cult

that you know of?

What are the statute of limitations on stuff like this? Oh, no.

There was a time. There was a time that people put me up to it in like a white robe, I recall, and burned some incense.
Well, right now, as you know, there is the cult of creed because of the show.

There's no joke. I guess you are the leader of a cult now.
Right now, maybe I was when I was younger, but right now I am a leader of a cult because there's the cult of creed.

And my lawyer, recently, there's people all over the world now that anytime you can see the office, they've started a little cult. There's a little thing there where they burn incense, you know,

they chant my name. I was in Norway.
This is no joke. My lawyer said there was a heavy metal group there that's part of the cult of creed.
They've sacrificed a small animal in your name. What? What?

And I had to call them and said, look, I appreciate the gesture, but cease and desist. You can't do this.
You can't do it. It's horrible.
Don't hurt anything. Don't hurt anything.

I know. It's horrible.
Because that's not you. No,

you would not want that. No, I would not want that.

I mean, the thought of it, that they did that for me was moving, but not what they did. Yeah.

Their passion for your character. Their passion for my character.
Yes.

Is any of that true? What you just said? Oh, my God. Green! Again, dang it! What are you doing? Boom.

Boom. At the very end, you had that twinkle in your eye.

I remember the thing I said about it. I didn't even We believe it every time.
You were just in Norway, so I thought, oh, I don't know. I was.
Maybe. Oh, that's such a beautiful country, too.

Yeah, I've heard it's really pretty. Man, lovely, lovely.
Clean. So clean.
With no creepy cults.

And there's no creepy cults. No one has sacrificed any animals, folks, in my name.
Not that I know of. All right.
Next question. Are you good at chess?

I'm,

I can play. Because you're not playing.
I'm not going to beat. I'm not going to beat Rain

for my son. Okay.

But I can play a small child who's just learned. They've just shown him the basic, basic moves.
You know, he's still working toward the move the night and stuff like that. You could probably beat him.

Okay.

Can you scuba? I used to until I broke my eardrum. Oh, how did you break your eardrum? This is the truth.
Now,

this is true. I

was horsing around in a pool with a bunch of friends in college from the water polo team. And for some of you, it's going through a football.
So we were starting to play football in a pool. Yeah.

Not a good idea. And we didn't have our little,

those days, you don't have the protective things for years they have for water polo players. No,

cover your ears. So I just caught an elbow,

broke the eardrum.

And then

I was still able to scuba dive. And I got it.
I had a scuba. I had the whole thing.
Did scuba dive. Yes.
Then I was in Hawaii with my son and

I was in the water. We were going down and we were just snorkeling.
And the woman next to me dropped her mask and her snorkel, being a gentleman.

I went down after it to get it for her and went down too far. Pow.

Broke the tympanic membrane again. And now it's just messed up.
What is that like for you when you fly in an airplane with the air pressure? It's not bad, that bad. It's just like anything else.

You still have to clear a little more, but not bad.

I came up and I could see and I couldn't find my way back to the surface because I was and I was panicking a little bit because my body wouldn't go in the direction that I was trying to swim.

Yeah, I got up there, and Bo is laughing. He said, Did you get it? He looks at me.
He said, Dad, you're white. And I went, Oh,

and he jumped in

and I was panicking. I was just

pretty scary. Yeah, you lost your sense of balance and

direction.

Yeah, wow.

But I'm okay now, folks. Yeah.

All right.

Do you have four toes on one of your feet?

I have, I was, yes, I do. On my right foot i was uh no no no i i know this one you have 10 toes yeah

well how do you know you haven't seen my feet i know i've seen your feet i've seen your feet

okay you were barefoot i think in the finale when we find out you're homeless and you've been living in the office yeah you're right you're right they're not sure

you're brushing your teeth and you're in your towel or something

is that i was in in scandinavia again at a clog dancing stop it dance and some drunk Viking stomped on my toe and broke it. And then I just a hole with hairy feet that covers the hole.

That's what I said to Steve in the scene.

It's an ad-lib. Do you remember that?

There's a little ad-lib

under my voice going like that. Well, the hair, I said, the hair covers it up.

Yes, the hair covers it up. The character.
The hair hair comes up, but not the part about the clogging and stuff. No, no, no, no, no, no.
I should have. That was came later.
Yeah. Okay.

All right. My final factor fiction question.

Can you you catch a fish with your bare hands?

Well, that would be really,

they're so slippery. Yeah.
Now, I really doubt it, unless Bruce Lee probably could. Yeah.
If he was around. Someone like that.
Someone falling super quick. Somebody'd have to go.

He'd have to go like this, what, and get a finger up in the mouth. Mouth, yeah.

Like that.

I'm impressed that you came up with how to do it so quickly. I think that's exactly what you'd have to do.
That's so smart.

If you tried to grab it by the tail unless it had a big spiky tail yeah you'd grab it like this and go the tail would stop like that you know why i think you know this right i'll never forget during the pandemic we would trade texts about what are you watching what are you binge watching and creed was like alone you got to see it and you got to watch alone i love that stuff so then josh and i get into it and we start watching it and i'm texting creed and i was like josh wants you to know he'll never look at a small animal the same way again because they're all so hungry it's like a squirrel anything they can get oh yeah that's a it's a meat it's a yeah barbecue thing you know yeah so they're out there just catching fish by hand and they're just even trapped they're making their own nets and stuff and they're trying to trap animals because they're so hungry twice in my life when my when bo was little we were fishing uh

bass fishing this is before i got into trout fishing and i look at him like this hey bo and we turn and i go

down a turtle the water is like this

second time i'm with uh a guy this is before way for the office and after the grassroots i'm working uh we're uh just doing labor work uh size cutting down uh fields of for fire fire breaks sure like that and i look down these two holes like this and i go uh hey ray he's he's down the road like this and i go i have gloves on like this and i look and i drop the scythe like this quietly i go up to the holes and i go and this is this is honest and god truth i go

and i grab two squirrels a swirl in each hand like this and hold them up like that. All the other guys working there going, how in the hell did you do that? It was a hero moment.

So you probably could grab a fish back in the day,

I would say.

I had some

two squirrels with your bare hands. I did, girls.
Okay. I did.
I'm kind of proud of that, actually. You can see I'm kind of chuffed, as the English would say.

I didn't know that squirrels lived in holes in the ground. They do.
There are squirrels that they burrow. Ground squirrels.
Ground squirrels. And they're smaller.

And we actually are having a thing in our backyard they're like ground squirrels yeah they're burrowing in all these little places in our social media is not much on the ground squirrels they're more the popular ones with the vidal soon coats and stuff sure they get all the press they get all

you guys i have a weird question sure and this is something that i muse about with my family my kids are annoyed by this question but i am haunted by it oh

And it has to do with squirrels and birds.

Where are all of the dead squirrels and the dead birds? Where are they? Why don't we see them? The crows.

The ravens. The ravens.
Oh, other animals come and eat them. Other animals come and pick them up.
Like, why don't, where are they? Are they dead in the tree? Are they dead in the ground?

They're in their bushes. They're dead in the bush.
Like, where are they?

Well, like, the ravens, if you see stuff on the side of the road, you see the ravens down there

cleaning them up. I guess that's true.
I mean, this is really gross, but there's a hawk that kind of lives in my neighbor's tree.

and i walked out one day like to go to my little garage office and there were like innards just in the like the pavers like little tiny intestine little tiny and i was like oh my gosh and josh was like i bet the hawk got a squirrel or something

but i'm seeing like birds and squirrels who have died by natural causes or suicide

right

you don't know you don't know we don't know we don't know. So not something that was prey, but like something like a very old bird or something or a disease, like a squirrel that died of a disease.

And no one wants to eat it and it's just dead somewhere. Well, I don't know.

I mean, I think, Creed, you kind of answered the question, which is that when an animal dies, another animal will eat that dead animal. I think that if the animal's there, it's say it's in

writing its memoirs,

that little nagging cough and then boom it's done it's over like that

are the hawks and the ravens watching him you know checking their watches

today i'm just gonna wait it out raven's got his little fitbit on you're like well um i just wondered if in all of your your nature show watching if they explain where squirrels and birds go to die.

I can tell you this interesting story.

I'm at my backyard on Ethel when I lived on Ethel and Longridge,

when the show was on. And I was out at the pool one day, and I was sitting out there having my green tea and

after work. And I look up at the ewes of the house, and there's a little bird nest in there with little baby birds.

And all of a sudden, I say the squirrel comes, the house goes down a pipe, comes over, grabs a baby bird. Because squirrels will eat baby birds.
Squirrels are terrible. Squirrels.

You don't know this people. Squirrels

have a hummingbird right outside outside my window. They're the evil creatures.
They are mean and they're terrible.

They should be boycotted a lot of things, but squirrels should be right on the list, you know. I know.
I'm wrong with you, Jen. They're vicious.
Well, on that note, squirrels are evil.

I would like to kick off our fan Q ⁇ A. All right, let's do it, lady.
Fans wrote in, Creed, they love you so much.

Let's start with Oliver T. from Wolverhampton, England, who says, I love Creed.
He is my favorite character in the show and didn't get nearly enough screen time.

My question is, what was his favorite Creed moment or storyline?

Man, just there's so, you know, you know, I know. There's just so many.
And by the way,

Wolverton, Walton, where's

Wolverhampton? Wolverhampton, yes, sir.

I used to think, well, you know, I can be capable of doing more stuff. I should get more.
In retrospect, the lines they gave me, just the right amount, was perfect. It was perfect.

Too much, a little more, it would have lost the appeal, I think, you know. I think it was just, and I thought about this a lot.
It turned out just right. Absolutely perfect.
Oh, boy.

Well, I have to say, obviously, the

I enjoyed it. It was scary, a scary, you know, baptism by fire, but the scene with the Halloween episode with Steve.

working with that at his rate of speed that he works at, you know, and not knowing what was going to happen. That was very satisfying.

But all the little bits, you know, which ones am, you know, did Michael get his new chair yet, you know, the thing with you with the

nickels.

You know, what do you do? Yeah, well, he had this bag of nickels. You're a useless.
Yeah. And you sort of like, like, don't worry about Andrea.

She's the office bitch. Yes.
Stuff like that.

I'm getting into, and everybody thinks it would be the manager when I was driving the Porsche and playing the finale, but it's it's all those little bits just

to keep going, the fodder that kept it going.

I got such joy out of it. And I laughed just like you did.
Every time we'd have a table read, I'd get to say, oh boy,

I just can't wait to do this line, you know?

Yeah. Well, we did get a fan question from Leighton R.
in Folsom, California, who said.

Your time as acting manager in season seven is a fan favorite moment. And Leighton wants to hear, did you enjoy that spotlight or or did you prefer being the mysterious side character?

Oh, I think I just said it, didn't I? Well, you did. You said you liked it.
I did like it.

I certainly enjoyed driving the

Porsche.

Yeah, really.

Had you ever driven a car like that? Yeah, I had one. I had a Porsche back in my grassroots days.
Yeah.

You've always loved a zippy car. I do like it.
And I still have a zippy car. I've ridden with you in your zippy car.

I'm not going to talk about how you drive. No, no, you're right.
You're right. But

Matt, a lot of people don't know this. You'd normally have sandbags and a barricade, and he'd be behind a barricade just in case.
There'd be a stop for the tires on any chute normally.

Matt was just standing there with the camera. With the camera, and I come up there right in front of him like that.
He trusted me. And I said, are you sure? He said, I trust you.
Are you sure?

I trust you.

And we did it. Dang.
So good old Matt. That's amazing.
I didn't know that. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. Most people would never do that normally.

You know, Creed, there are a lot of your moments that ended up getting deleted for time, which is true of all of us.

But there are Reddit threads upon Reddit threads dedicated to Creed deleted scenes. You are like the favorite character for deleted scenes and deleted moments.
Really? Oh my gosh. Yes.

So many fun ones. Wow.
Yeah. And I think a lot of those are being added back to the Peacock Superfan episodes.
And that's going to be so fun. Yeah.
that's amazing you know yeah

greg when i when i we couldn't use the um

boost cruise when i played the guitar yes that was one of them just too long yeah yeah

he said it's so good he said treat it so good but just too long i said i hope you understand but we love it but it's just too long you know yeah a little tidbit there i recorded it the night before at the studio with Dylan O'Brien and Bob Thield.

It's Grand Tones. Sure.
And then I used, I just came in the studio and he had his left-handed strap. So I just, but the way he plays, it's different than a lot of left-handers.

So I just turned it over like this and played, played for it. So when you see me playing that left-handed guitar, a lot of people say, well, he's a right-hander.
He wouldn't be playing that guitar.

So that's the explanation. That's a little nugget there.
And also, we were going to play it live, but we realized out there the reverbs were going to be bouncing on the amps and stuff.

It was logistically impossible. We had to mime it.
We had to mime it, you know. And I really wanted to play play live.

Yeah, it's okay. But you got to eventually play live on the set, which is so beautiful.

Yes, yes, and that's that's one of the most touching moments when the fans are there at my show and I close with all the faces, you know.

And uh, I get, I get, I'm looking out at the, you know, it's just, it's, it's amazing.

The emotional connection from it's not the song, the song is good, but without the office, we're saying goodbye to all of us. We're saying goodbye to us.
And that song

gets that emotion out of people. It's powerful.
It's a beautiful moment.

All right. Fan question from one of our very own office ladies members, Ainslie.
She wants to know, what did you do on your computer while other cast members were filming scenes?

Spider Solitaire. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, Spider-Solitaire. That's what I, because I didn't have a working computer.

I think only Oscar had one for a long time in the beginning, but I think eventually everybody got one. Yeah, everybody got one eventually.
I didn't. Ever? No, I don't think so.
Maybe I did.

So you never had internet. You just had the solitaire game? I'm demented somewhat because of that, you know, facial tip

stuff.

I can't believe that.

I might have. Is it possible that you got internet and didn't know? And no one told no one told you.
That's probably the case. And you're so

I was like, oh my gosh, Greed, the way you were positioned in the bullpen, no one could see your computer. Who knows what he did? And you only played Solitaire.

Oh, that's mad as well.

I wrote a lot of music on that show.

You did?

Oh, yeah. I was always grabbing that guitar and going in the green room, waiting for, you know, everybody to show up.

And I wrote a bunch of, I wrote two albums in that green room, basically, and in my trailer. I didn't know that.

All right, let's see. We have a fan question from Sabrina S.
and her fiancé, Joey, from Chicago, Illinois.

And they said, our question for Creed, who has clearly had and continues to have such an iconic life, what do you consider to be one of your biggest accomplishments?

Gosh, well, it has to be the

road I was going down in my life.

Wow, I'm not going to get modeling here or anything with my family

and all my debaucheries and stuff, you know back in my rock and roll days that now uh

i have such a tight loving family with such support from the family it turns out to be all this other stuff is wonderful but that family connection is is so strong that's that gives me most joy and my friendships my friends you know and i'm now putting my hands out at my two girls who are like my daughters from the show basically you know and you always were kind of in a way you know i always felt that well we talked about this earlier creed that

our text thread with you, the three of us, brings us such joy. We can always count on you for a cat video

or just

how you refer to us. You always call Jenna Jen.
You call me pumpkin and you call yourself Granddad Creed.

That's true. Yeah.
Lucky us. Lucky us.
Yeah, lucky us. Yeah.

Well, Creed, okay. More questions.
More questions for you, but you're just such a delight. I'm just from the minute, like when I pulled up, he said, I just have a spring in my step today.

Yep, you're good to see you guys. Good to see us.
So sweet. Okay, Creed, did you keep anything from the set after the series ended?

You know, a sprinter van, a couple of cameras, some sound, some sound, NAGRA sound recorders, you know, like that.

But, you know, I can, by the way, if you can get a hold of me, I can sell them to you for the disc really discount.

No, I saved

the the little samurai warrior with the fat samurai warrior with the the fan yes fan on my desk i have that on my mantle that's cool they gave it but i asked permission not like the character i actually went to production and said can i yes of course of course

and uh

the suit that i wore in the finale when i'm in the uh the white that that kind of a gray that kind of linen suit the little purple thing and they're very it was tailored for me and stuff too

they just gave that to me so i got to keep that so that let me think about that so the um

yeah the the samurai guy and the uh and a couple of and maybe a picture there might be a picture from the the wall there

yeah you had a bunch of plaques on the wall they came home they made they came in with pictures of me and my kids and stuff and and put them but we all had that right oh yeah

that was so great about the show they put personal stuff up on the desk you know um

you also had that dustbuster on the wall wall next to you. Yes.
I never used it. I never used it.
Somebody else would always come by.

When I do my show and I sing the

office theme,

I talk about you and Phyllis and I always say, you know, Phyllis and Angela were the planning committee, you know. A lot of people don't know this, that Phyllis and Angela are method actors.

So with so art design and props and people would come in and want to set the office up for the, no, Phyllis, they'd chase them all out. Then you guys would do all the work.

We'd be home at night after showers and dinner. You'd still be there setting up the office for the next day.
And some, of course, they go, oh, it's probably true.

There's no telling what people believe about us.

They nod, they nod. It's like they're getting, you know, of course they would.
They're actors, you know. Yeah.

Someone asked me one time, they were like, Creed said you're 4'111, but I think you're a little taller. Are you telling people I'm 4'11? It's 3'11, 4'11.
I know it's changes, changes around on stage.

All right, guys. Whatever Creed says on stage, don't believe.
It's true. Or believe, but with like a grain of salt.
Yeah.

It's there for your amusement, folks. All right, Creed.
Up next, we're going to do our call sheet questions. Okay.

Number one, what was your first job in entertainment?

1964.

And I became an extra on camera on a movie called Cast a Giant Shadow with Mel Shabelson and the director. I fell in love with his daughter, Lynn, and we had an affair in the Greek islands after that.

But in the movie, the movie was Frank Sinatra, John Wayne, Yule Brenner, Senta Berger, and it was the Colonel Mickey Marcus.

Kirk Douglas must play Colonel Mickey Marcus, the Israeli war for independence. What did you have to say?

I was an English, I was there a background, but I got paid. I was in a uniform.
You know, a British soldier. A British soldier

standing there at attention like the camera came by. Oh, wow.
My first movie. That's a lot of big names.
It's a huge movie. If you watch the movie, can you find yourselves in the scene? Yes, yes.

But the side of my face. Okay.

There's an interesting story from that. I'm standing on the set and leaning against this wall.
Frank Sinatra is there and he sees me over there. And I'm like, wow, it's Frank Sinatra.

He comes over to me like this, you know, and he goes, hey, kid, you know, he he said, That wall is going to explode here in a little bit. We have squibs in there like that.

You might want to just, he went, Oh, and I said, Well, thank you, Mr. Stein.
He said, It's all right. So, he just pushed me, pulled me away from the thing so I wouldn't get blown up, you know.

Thank you, Frank. Wow, that's such a cool story that you had a conversation with Frank Sinatra.
That's life. That's my life, perhaps.
Wow.

All right. Here is

a question.

Can you tell us all of the musical instruments that you play? It won't take long. Okay.
Guitar, a little bit of piano, and a very little bit of mandolin. Okay.
And a trumpet.

I played trumpet for over 10, 12 years as a kid. That was my first instrument.
Was trumpet. Trumpet.
I did not know that.

That list is longer than our list, Creed. That's right.

But guitar is it. Yeah.
Yeah. You have so many.
When you go to your place, you have like a wall of guitars. Yep, pretty cool.

All right, what's a place that you've been to that you absolutely loved?

So many.

Iceland, you're going there, but I drove around for two weeks with no navigation, no maps or anything, just drove around because it's an island, so you can't get really lost, you know? Yeah.

Fascinating. fascinating place.

I love, and I've gone back numerous times with my son, the Sacramento River out of Reading

and taking it all. And you're also the Klamath River at the Oregon-California border.
Because you guys go fishing. We go fishing every year, practically, yeah.
And we go there back a lot. I love it.

I just love being on the river, the serenity, the beauty, and the fish, the beautiful fish. It's all catch and release, barbless hooks.
That sounds so peaceful. Yep, yep, yep.

I think the fish look forward to being caught with us. You want to just chat for a second? Yeah, we talk and see what's going on.

Love the commercial.

Thank you.

Then vote back to your kids. All right, easy.

All right. Next question.
What do you like to do on the weekends?

Well, I'm pretty boring. I'm pretty boring.
I read my books and I play my guitar and write my songs and do my yoga, swim. So I'll be one of those.

I'll be swimming, doing yoga, you know, I like to go to Hugo's and have my almond energy pancakes you know yeah meet my friends there and you know that place love hugo's we love hugos yeah they came in one day and said hey that you were in i went well there you go she knows a good pancake obviously so what kind of books do you like do you like fiction non-fiction both both both uh do you have a something you've read recently that you like um we love to give out book shout outs.

I can't. I'm not really good at the names anymore.
Basically, for a while, though, I have just written a book, a Western. It's on Amazon right now with my friend Nathan Edmondson called Buffalo.

You did? I wrote a book.

It took two years to write the book. I had an idea.
In fact, talk about Hugo's.

I was sitting at Hugo's one day, and this writer came by, who was Nathan, and he said, hey, I just want to tell you a big fan.

And I said, I liked it because he was an intelligent guy right off the bat. I went, sit down.
We started talking. He had a deal with Paramount for a couple of scripts.
And I told him this idea I had.

And next thing we know, we were shaking hands to write this thing together. And you did.
And we did. And it's out now, folks.
Buffalo. I love a Western.
I'll go check it out.

I'm getting back to your point, Jen. I've read all the

Cormac McCarthy, the Larry McMurtrys, the Louis Lemours. Yeah.

I love all those Westerns. Sci-Fi,

Neil Steffenson, William Gibson. I just finished Hyperion for the second time.
That's an amazing sci-fi.

All right.

Last question.

Favorite midnight snack i don't eat at night well i know this

i don't at six o'clock when the sun goes down and there's no food after that you know yeah you don't eat after six no and then your first meal in the morning what is that um

I will have been recently, I used to just have a cup of coffee and then write for a while, you know, but now I've been getting into these little gluten-free blueberry muffins.

A trout turned me onto them.

But there's a place I go to, Giorla's is called that I go down there and get these gluten-free blueberry muffins with my coffee.

Then I go home and then I write for about an hour and then I'll have breakfast, you know. Do you write in a journal? I write longhand.

Yeah, and then I put it, but I've started to kind of know that I'm wasting a lot of time writing longhand. And I didn't think I could do it other ways, but now I'm starting to kind of slowly type.

But it's like it's like

a

chicken peck.

Chicken peck stuff you know it gets it that's probably just as fast as writing longhand how long have you kept a journal oh a long time yeah i think it's really important because the song lyrics are on their uh notes and i have i have uh in my day planner i have all the things i'm supposed to do and then at night i'll look at my day planner i'll write out a little notes plan and put it up in the in the kitchen your cheat sheet the cheat sheet this is what you yeah that's a short abbreviated version of what i'm going to do that day so that i can get the satisfaction of checking off that and then going to the planner and checking it again.

Yeah,

accomplishment. Double check accomplishment.

Well, before we let you go, we got this letter from Juliana R in New York who said, Creed came to my college as our fall comedian, and it was so exciting getting to listen to his music and hear him speak.

I was on the Activities Council board, so I even got to take a picture with him. What a gem.

And it's true, Creed. Your live shows are so great.

Have Have you had a recent live show or do you have one coming up that you can share about? I did a show recently with Rain and his guest with Pete Holmes. I sang three songs.

And I think he's used one of them, one of my new songs. Yeah, I go out.
I'll be going in October to Hawaii, New Zealand, Australia, Singapore, and Japan. And for the month of October.

So I'll be doing my shows then, too. That's amazing.
And on the drive in, you pointed out a place and you're like, I play there. With Baked Potato.
I play the Baked Potato.

I played there for a long time coming in and just doing like four songs with the very talented Tim Hockenberry and his band. And now I have a band

called The Work

with Dylan O'Brien, Charlie Farager, Davey Farregu, Sebastian Lawrence. They're called The Work.
We just did Jam in the Van.

Jam in the Van, and we just played also, myself, a solo show, two solo shows with the band at the Baked Potato. And we'll be going back there.
I'll let let you know i want to go to baked potato

room yeah honorable jazz room but of course i'm creed's pop pop and folky stuff but they allow me to play that's so great well one last thing because you said this in the car and we said we would talk about it which is creed told me you know years ago i would have these yankee swap christmas parties with the cast and they would come over and i haven't had one in a long time jenna you've started having some with your family but that big get together of the cast you know life happened, kids and just busyness.

And he got in the car and he's like, I just want you to know I've been holding on to a Yankee swap gift I bought for 15 years for your next party. That's true.

I loved it so much.

And I was like, what? And he goes, I'm ready. You got to have your Yankee swap party.
And tell him what it is. I'm at a, what do they call it, a pawn shop or something like that.

And I look down there and what it is, it's a

toilet fishing, toilet fishing game.

We sit on the toilet and you lay this thing of a of a piece of paper it's a lake it's a lake and you spread it out on the floor and then it's got little fish little magnet fish and then it's got a fishing rod and you go like this and you're in the toilet and you go

and you try and you drag drag the

catch the fish so you're fishing on the toilet and i said i really because everyone wanted want this for sure he's been holding on to it for like a decade oh it's sitting in my in my garage it won't get rid of it all right i know it's gonna happen make a suggestion no it doesn't have to be december to have a fun Yankee swap party.

This is true.

Like, let's pick a time.

Got to get this out of my life. December.
Yeah. Let's, this party needs to happen early.
It's going to be office reunion slash cast friends slash Yankee

swap. Yankee swap.
July. Yes.
I don't know. Maybe so.
Yeah. All right.
All right. All right.
Oh, my gosh. Girls, as always, it's just a joy seeing you both.
I love you both. You know that.

So thank you for having me. And thanks for all the the fans for those kind words.
And

oh, Creed's a lucky guy. Thank you.
We love you, Creed. I love you guys.

Well, lady, I just loved having Creed in studio with us. I did too.
It was such a treat. And as we finish up today, we got a fan letter from Jamie T in Arizona.

I really liked this. Jamie said, I have a theory as to what happened to Creed after the final episode.
Oh.

I think after being taken away by the police, he jumped bail, used his passport with his name, William Charles Schneider, and fled the country.

He could now be living in a country with no extradition treaty with the United States and is the leader of a cult to make money. Probably not far off.
It's true. Probably pretty great, Jamie.

But lady, did the NBC website say what Creed is up to? I couldn't find it. Oh, no.
I searched. If someone else out there found it on the NBC website, let me know.

I got tons of clips of Creed, but I couldn't find like a Where Is He Now thing. Okay.

But I did find this great article on Collider with a quote from Creed Bratton in real life about what he thinks happened to the character Creed. Okay.
So I thought I would share that.

So this article kind of breaks down everyone's final moments on the show.

And Collider's like, you know, everyone gets kind of a happy ending except for Creed, who gets handcuffed and is presumably going to prison for the crimes he's committed. Yes.

So Collider says you would think the logical place for Creed now is prison, but here is what Creed Bratton, the actor, thinks.

In an interview with the Tampa Bay Times in 2019, Bratton speculated about the character's future saying, quote, he never stayed in jail long. He got out pretty fast.

He went on to suggest that Creed would have gotten pity from a talented defense attorney, scammed his way to freedom, and continued doing probably the illegal things that Creed does best.

And honestly, Bratton makes a good point. After all, Creed got away with it this long, so why wouldn't he be able to escape justice again? Well, this is not too far off from Jamie's theories.
Exactly.

But Cassie, you said that when you were walking Creed out, he had an idea of where we might be able to see Creed again, which I thought was pretty fun. Yeah, will you share your conversation?

Yeah, I was like, oh, I would love to know what Creed is up to and maybe we'll get to know through the paper.

And he was saying that he pitched to Greg that maybe one episode, we just see him working in the background at a random office.

So like, I guess we just have to really be looking in the background for a Creed catch. That would make me so happy.

If Creed was just somewhere in the deep background, maybe he's at Softie's, the toilet paper company. Or you know what I would love?

I would love to see him like delivering someone's meal at that little place where they eat eat lunch in the building yes yeah

yeah yeah maybe he catches the documentary crew and immediately runs away

he's like not again um all right well everyone thank you so much for sending in your questions for all about creed and thank you to creed for coming in and spending this afternoon with us Oh, and we want to give a shout out to our project for Creed.

He shared with us he performed in the YouTube series called Jam in the Van. It's a series where musicians perform in a van and he's really great in it.
We'll add it to our stories. I love it.

Such a fun day. I love our job.
I love the cast of the office and I love our office ladies community. Thank you guys so much.
See you next week. See you next week.

Thank you for listening to Office Ladies. Office Ladies is a presentation of Odyssey and is produced by Jenna Fisher and Angela Kinsey.
Our executive producer is Cassie Jerkins.

Our audio engineer is Sam Kiefer, and our associate producer is Ainsley Bubbico. Odyssey's executive producer is Leah Reese Dennis.
Office Ladies was mixed and mastered by Bill Schultz.

Our theme song is Rubber Tree by Creed Bratton.

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