The Golden Girls Deep Dive Podcast with Jenna Fischer & Angela Kinsey

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Hi from Chicago.

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Hello, everybody.

Hi there.

So I am still in Chicago.

I'm still doing my play.

And I'm going to be here a little bit longer because we just found out that my play, Ashland Avenue, has been extended again to October 19th.

So if you haven't had a chance to see it, please come see it.

It's crazy.

I've had the best time.

It has been such a joy to watch you on this journey, lady.

Oh my gosh.

I can't believe it.

Every night I go out there and, you know, sometimes we have two shows a day.

I just can't wait to do these scenes.

I just love them.

It's like I look forward to each scene for a different reason.

There's like some moment that one of the other actors, I can't wait to watch them do it.

Isn't that so fun to just get to watch and marvel at your co-stars like moment?

Yes.

Oh my gosh.

The actor who plays my dad, Fran Guinen, I am constantly marveling at him.

I just, you know, the other woman in the play with me, her name is Cordelia Dudney, and she is so good.

And we only get one scene together.

It's only like three pages.

It's short, but it's so good.

It's, oh, I look forward to it every night.

I can't wait.

As soon as she walks in the door, I'm like, yes, here we go.

Here we go.

Yes.

Also, you saw the show.

You saw how funny Cheek A.

Johnson is.

He plays my husband, Mike, in the play.

Can you believe that before this play, he said he doesn't, he doesn't really do comedies.

He does dramas, mostly dramas.

I was like, what?

What?

No way.

He's so hilarious in the play.

He is so funny.

He gets the biggest laughs in the play.

And we have this really funny scene together.

I look forward to it every night.

It's an act two.

I love it so much.

I loved all of your scenes together.

You guys have such fun chemistry.

And I cannot believe he doesn't normally do comedies.

He's so funny.

And Angela, we didn't talk about this on our Friday chit chat a while back.

Will Allen, who's another actor in the play, he is an office trivia champion.

We have to have him on the podcast, lady.

Yeah, you know, I met him when I came to see your play, and he told me he paid his rent by winning office trivia quizzes.

Yes, during the pandemic.

That's right.

And his team.

They won the national online competition twice and they're like the number one team in Chicago.

Do you know what their name is?

It's an office deep cut.

What is it?

I'm guessing.

Is it?

Is it an office reference?

It is.

What is it?

Who's your worm guy?

Oh, nice.

It's a creed line.

That's perfect.

That looks pretty great, right?

Oh, that's so great.

Well, lady, while you're doing your play, I'm gearing up for my cookbook tour.

Oh, my gosh, you're leaving so soon.

It's happening.

It's happening.

We got the book.

We got to hold it.

It's beautiful.

I'm so proud of it.

And I can't wait to meet people and just, you know, get our cookbook out in the world.

You're going out to sign cookbooks.

Tell people where you're going.

You're going to three cities, right?

We're going to three cities so far.

And I'll put all this in our stories, but we are going to New Jersey.

We're going to Dallas.

And we are going to Santa Monica.

And also, we're going to be in New York.

We're going to be doing a little fun pop-up things in New York City, like the Today Show, the Sherry Show.

I think we're doing some man on the street stuff.

Lady, I have no idea.

I know in new york you and josh running around yeah i mean it's going to be an adventure for sure but um the book is great and i can't wait for people to get it you know what i just realized this is the year that we both got to bring projects to the world with our husbands yeah how cool is that Really cool, really cool.

It really is.

And so special.

It's really special, right?

Because it's like, here's the love of your life.

And now you made something together and you're putting it out in the world.

You have like this creative thing that you created together.

It's so cool.

Yeah.

You know, lady, New Year's Rev premiered at the Toronto Film Festival.

I know.

And it's, oh, huge, amazing reception.

Like people love this movie.

People love it.

I can't wait until we can announce when this movie is coming out because people love it.

I just saw a critic, like a little blurb, and I'm going to paraphrase this, but they had seen the movie and they said something like, Green Day has made the next big teen or great teen movie, something like that.

I mean, it's amazing.

I'm so proud to be in it.

It's so cool.

Oh my gosh, listen to us.

Okay.

Okay.

Sorry.

Everybody, we're excited about the stuff we're doing.

And that's great, right?

It's good to be excited about the stuff you're doing in life, I think, especially if you're an artist.

That's what we do.

Yeah, absolutely.

And, you know, we're also behind the scenes working on new episodes for Office Ladies that are so fun.

And this week, we're going to run our appearance on another Odyssey podcast, the Golden Girls Deep Dive.

It's hosted by Patrick Hines and Jennifer Simard.

These two are so funny.

Every week, they break down an episode of The Golden Girls.

They do a really great job.

Back in June, they had us on their podcast for an interview.

We had the best time.

They asked us to watch an episode of Golden Girls.

We don't do like a full breakdown of it, but we do discuss it.

Lady, it was so crazy to revisit that show.

It makes me want to re-watch the whole show.

I mean, it's so good.

That's what surprised me, I think.

And we kind of talk about this in our interview with them was like how good it was so good the nuance and the performances and the comedy it was so so good you know when we were prepping to do it i read this article in southern living magazine that has the 65 best golden girls quotes and reading them jenna it made me laugh out loud just reading the quotes oh my gosh is it sort of like reading a bunch of joe bennett quotes yes it is okay here's one.

I'll just read you one because there's 65.

Dorothy, this is a quote from Dorothy.

Go to sleep, sweetheart.

Pray for brains.

That's what I'm saying.

That feels like something maybe Joe Bennett would say.

I feel like Dorothy and Joe Bennett maybe have the same 100%.

Yeah.

Well, lady, I sent you a quiz because I thought we should find out which golden girl we are.

Yes, you know, I can share both of these articles in our stories because they made me laugh.

And I think they're going to make you crack up too.

But this quiz was great.

And Jen, I'm really curious to hear who you got.

Who do you think I was?

I think you might think I'm Dorothy.

I think you are Dorothy.

I was Rose.

Oh my gosh, you were Rose?

I guess I don't know.

I answered all the questions and I got Rose.

Who do you think I got?

Rose.

Yes.

We're two roses.

I think we are.

I think we're two people who just like have a lot of fun in life.

And like,

I don't know.

Maybe

we do all the ways we don't understand modern technology make us rose.

I don't know.

That's probably true.

Although there were one or two questions that I felt like I was kind of teetering on that I feel like could have made me a Dorothy.

Same.

Same.

I think

not a bleach.

I think we're rose with the side of Dorothy.

There it is.

Aw, well, everyone, I hope you enjoy listening to this interview.

You know, since we have both been so busy with some of our other projects, we leaned on some of our friends and other podcasts to interview us, and then we get to share it with you.

So we really hope you enjoy it.

Have a great week.

At long last, I get to say the words, hello, Mother Cheesecake.

Hello, Papa.

Oh, we're so happy.

You are so beautiful.

You are glowing.

You are radiant.

You are the moment.

You are the icon.

icon.

I'm so happy to be back in the studio with you.

I have missed you.

And cheesecakes, I have noticed that we've started saying cheesies, and I might like it even more than cheesecakes.

I love the cheesies.

I love the cheesies.

I've seen the cheesies on the road.

They are always asking me about you.

We send you videos.

They love you.

How are you?

I'm great.

I've missed you.

I'm so glad to be back.

I thought our graham cracker crust killed it.

Oh, thank you.

Steve is the greatest.

I know, I know.

He worked so hard.

He was so excited to be here.

He really wanted to do you justice.

Listen, we are a team and I love teamwork.

My parents raised me.

My mom was my softball coach.

My dad, my brother's baseball coach.

And more than anything, they stressed the power and importance of teamwork.

So I'm so proud to be part of this team.

I love you so much, but we are getting to this episode, this interview with the office ladies, Angela and Jenna, from the office ladies, from the office.

I'm obsessed.

I cannot wait to talk to them.

I can't wait either.

Before we get there, I just want to ask you, what was it like to go viral like a hundred times?

It was so incredible.

And you know, the best part is it's not something that was manipulated from our show.

No.

Where I, in the number, hit me, I have this line.

This is, that was rude.

That was pretty effing rude.

And of course, I say the real word.

Yeah.

But and it just took off.

So it happened while I was sleeping, so to speak.

And I woke up and it, here's this viral moment.

I mean, unreal.

Like, I saw you, like, Madonna did it.

Yeah.

I mean, that is crazy.

It was everywhere.

It was all over the internet.

We're going to get way more into this in the future, but like the Tony's, you were nominated.

It was glorious.

How was it for you?

It was incredible.

You know, I got to be nominated with Megan, my co-star, was perfection.

Yes.

And then to be among those women, one of whom is Audra McDonald, and I've known her since she was Audra Ann McDonald.

Is that right?

Yeah, I met her singing at St.

Clair's Hospital, which is no longer there, with Seth Rudetsky.

And that day I met Norm Lewis.

Oh, my God.

And Audra.

And her name at that time was Audra Ann.

And she was in between her first audition for Carousel and her callback.

No way.

Which was ended up being her first Tony Award and changed everything for her.

Yeah, yeah.

You know, and we're the same age, you know, so it's just, it was so special, but like, we're still here.

Yeah.

You know, and we just kind of sent each other supportive messages.

And that was really great.

That's what I love.

Cause it, I tell me if I'm wrong, but it seems like it doesn't feel competitive between the nominees that you are all really supporting each other.

It's inherently competitive because that's technically what it is.

But if you don't treat it that way and just have fun,

then it really is the right way to do it.

And that's, I I believe, the way we try to approach it all.

Well, cheesies, listen, if you will allow it, we're going to do a whole talk about your last couple of months because you've been away, you've been so busy, like everything has gone crazy for you.

But right now, we need to get to this interview with Angela and Jenna from the office, from the Office Ladies podcast.

I got to tell you, we work with a company called Odyssey.

They are the ones who sell our ads for us.

They support us.

They've been marketing us.

They have been so, so supportive of this podcast.

And from the beginning, we were like, it'd be such a dream because Angela and Jenna work with them as well.

And we were like, it'd be such a dream to get them.

Like, we're going to really try to make this happen.

And as far back as Christmas, both Angela and Jenna wanted to do this interview.

They just are so busy and had so much going on.

It finally made sense for them to do it.

Now, we're going to have a bunch of social media.

So go to our social media so you can see some of the videos of this conversation that we're about to have.

I'm so delighted.

I can't wait to talk with you with them.

Yeah, me too.

And, you know, one of the things we're going to talk about is the Barbara Thorndike episode of the Golden Girls for a million reasons.

But like, technically, I have so many questions for them about being a guest star, what it takes to be a good guest star, working with guest stars.

They're the experts.

I've got a lot of questions about this, just about, you know, their podcast superstars.

How did that happen?

It's going to be a great conversation.

So shall we dive in?

Let's dive in.

So Jenna Fisher, Angela Kinsey, I cannot tell you what an honor this is to be on a Zoom, not just with the two of of you, but with Jennifer Simart as well.

Like, I don't know what I did in this life to get to be on the Zoom with the three of you.

We are overwhelmed.

We are honored.

Our listeners have been begging for this crossover forever.

So, welcome to the Golden Girls Deep Dive Podcast.

Welcome.

Thank you so much for having us.

Yeah, we're so tickled.

I have to say, I love that it's a glasses convention.

We're all wearing eye glasses.

Cheesecakes.

Yes, we love it, don't we?

We're all using a glasses.

It is.

And I want to be able to see you.

Yeah, that part.

That part right there.

You two two are such big stars.

I was waiting for like the presidential, like, please hold for Angela Kinsey and Jenna Fisher.

And then like you pop in very officially, but you're so down to earth, you're just like the rest of us.

Oh my gosh.

Yeah.

Angela and I are.

We're besties and we do the podcast together and we do all the other things together too, like organize each other's closets and we don't have assistants or anything.

It's just

us gals.

Just us gals.

Jen refuses to organize my closet.

I've been begging and begging and begging.

Oh, it's so fun to do it together.

But I don't have months.

I don't have months is the problem.

That's how long it would take.

So sorry, Patrick.

I know.

So sorry.

Listen, here's the thing.

We all know as huge fans, you are both sitcom icons.

I mean, icons.

The office is an iconic sitcom.

It's lasted the test of time, as has the Golden Girls.

It's an also an iconic sitcom.

What is your relationship to the Golden Girls?

And what do you think it is about shows like yours and the Golden Girls that make them so timeless?

If you had to guess.

Oh, well, gosh, you know, to be able to be a part of a show that people keep connecting to over the years, over and over, multiple generations, you can't even believe that you won that lottery ticket, you know?

And we all grew up with shows like that.

We all grew up with shows that we watched with our parents when we didn't even hang out with them otherwise, right?

In those teen years.

And so that's really meaningful.

And I think the Golden Girls and the office and shows like them that stand the test of time have relationships that people connect with, right?

And Jen and I, we've sort of seen this as we go out in the world, like whether you're at a hospital or you're at a homeroom classroom, there's always a Dwight, right?

And it doesn't matter where you work, there's probably a persnickety Angela.

And then you've got to have that relationship you're rooting for.

And I think for the Golden Girls, it's that sisterhood, sisterhood, right?

And for the office, it was Jim and Pam.

I like to think some people were rooting for Dwight and Angela.

I 100% was.

I was like, somebody's going to set him right.

She's the only one who can do it.

That's right.

That's right.

Her clipboard.

I married an Angela, by the way.

So I totally 100%.

I married like the child of Angela and Pam.

Steve is the marriage of those two characters.

So I very much relate to that dynamic.

Well, I just think those shows have such huge themes about life and love and loss and trying to find your way.

And whether they're set in a sort of community in Florida or in a small office, that's what people connect to.

You know, it's not that we work at a paper company.

That's, that's not it.

It's that journey of life that happens.

Yeah, I agree with all of that.

So I watched The Golden Girls when it was on.

Oh, my goodness.

Yes.

Everybody else, appointment viewing.

Yes.

Yeah.

Appointment television.

Yeah.

Yeah.

One of my favorite shows.

And I hadn't watched it in forever until we said we were going to do this collaboration.

But then something that I remembered in watching it was like how Golden Girls wasn't afraid to get dramatic.

Like all these storylines started flooding in for me.

And I was like, I think that might be part of it too.

is that, you know, it rings all the comedy bells, but then every once in a while, it kind of like, ooh, it tugs at your heartstrings

or makes you think about something.

Like, oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Do you think in that vein that the office comes from that sort of lineage?

Because the office certainly has, I was thinking, too, about like, there are moments when you see Angela.

cry.

And those are some of the most emotional moments of the office for me.

Like Pam is such a sweet soul, but you, you know, and my God, the Pam's arc towards the end, like it's, it's very tearjerky.

But I, I do think it surprises people when they go back and look at the Golden Girls that there are moments you could cry.

There are moments that are really dry.

And, you know, do you think that the office comes from that sort of tradition in sitcom?

Yeah, I think a little bit.

I mean, I know that that was.

kind of one of the gifts of the way we shot the show was that we could pull the camera back and we could observe these more private, intimate moments of characters, which is something you don't get to do a lot in comedy.

And so, yeah, I mean, a hundred percent.

Yeah.

And I think Golden Girls is just classic television comedy writing.

You know, you have each character is their own little season and spice, and they bring something unique.

They have a unique point of view, and you can count on that point of view and you, you get excited for it.

You know, Sophia, right?

You know what she's going to deliver.

Yeah.

And I think the office had that too.

Your characters, they grow a little bit, but they don't grow so much that they're still not who you want them to be.

And that's just great, great comedy writing.

Also, great performing, great acting, because you are such beautiful actors in your show.

And so, too, are the gold, the actors in the golden girls.

And give me any actor who's capable of comedy, and I guarantee you they can be a sad clown when they need to be.

But it's not always true in reverse.

So, my hat's off to both of you.

Thank you.

Just very generous.

We have a Golden Girls office crossover.

We do.

Yeah.

And

I was so tickled when we heard it in this episode.

Tell me.

What are you talking about?

I'm talking about Kent Zabornak.

Me too.

Because the inscription in the book that Barbara gives Dorothy, it says to Dorothy Zabornak.

And I said, oh my gosh, I just heard his name in the episode.

That's right.

Yes.

That's right.

Our coexec producer, Kent Zabornak, was an assistant to Susan Harris.

And she liked his last name so much that when she had to name Dorothy, she gave Dorothy the last name Szibornak.

And then that's the origin story.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But I didn't realize that he also worked on The Office.

That's incredible.

He was a producer for those first seasons that really developed the whole show.

And he's wonderful.

And that is just, it just tickled us when we found that out.

And he did end up.

He also worked on Golden Girls.

And he told us, because we asked him we were like zabornak that's a very specific name and he said that when he did eventually meet b arthur and she found out that her character was you know his namesake he said she was so kind and she almost became like a second mother to him he just loved her oh my gosh so sweet that is incredible I wanted to ask the two of you as actors, the thing about the Golden Girls, it's never been off the air, right?

Like it's from the day it was on for four decades now it's never been off the air it's one of those comfort shows and when we were asking our listeners what they wanted to know about from you all one of the questions that you got in a bunch of different ways is sort of what is it like for you as actors to know like i mean in my house we've watched the office straight through no fewer than eight nine times and i mean that is a commitment but now you can get through it in three months or whatever you know and what does it feel like for you all to know that like this is going to outlive you no question like it'll be around long after we leave this plane, you know, and not very, very, very few shows, I think, have that kind of history eventually.

How does it feel to be a part of that?

I mean, it's very

humbling and also

it's very moving to me.

I mean, I know that we, our show, The Office, it does everything from just be on the background while people make dinner to

helping people while they're going through a medical crisis.

You know, I can't tell you how many people tell us, oh, this is what we watch to get through chemotherapy, or this helped me when I was grieving the loss of someone.

And so to be that kind of comfort and constant, it takes something that was just the most fun thing in the world to do, a comedy television show, into feeling so meaningful.

And

I'm so happy, you know?

Yeah.

I mean, I I think we just sit in a lot of gratitude.

And it was so much fun to do.

And, you know, I had this writing professor that said, What's a pleasure to write is a pleasure to read.

And I always thought about that when we were on the set because we were having so much fun.

And I just was like, Shirley, I hope people watch this and have that same joy that we have doing it.

We spent most of our days trying not to ruin each other's scenes because we were laughing so hard.

And

that was just what a gift.

And to know that it's, it has such meaning and that we'll just go on and on is, it's very surreal.

It's special.

It's humbling, like Jenna said.

And then it's also, it's also kind of strange sometimes because I forget, you know, you just go about your life, you're at the grocery store or whatever, you're dropping your kid off at soccer practice.

And that part of your life is on the back burner in your mind.

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What?

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You two are legitimate podcast stars now.

I'm going to combine this a little bit, but like, what does that feel like?

You said earlier, there's been a learning curve, which is so humble of you to even say, but of course there is anything in life.

But, you know, what inspired you to make the podcast in the first place?

And was it important to you that it wasn't just a recap podcast?

So, you know, all of those as the legitimate podcast stars you are.

Well, I think one of the biggest things was ever since the office ended, Angela and I wanted to work together again.

Nice.

There is nothing like getting to go to work every day with your very best friend, the person you trust the most.

And so we were always looking for that opportunity.

And we didn't know what that was.

We were like, is it a TV show?

We would joke that we wanted to take over the fourth hour of the Today show and just drink wine and chat

in the mornings with people about that events.

We were like, we just need to be best friends working together.

But then the other thing that was happening after the office was we were like full-time, like now we were in the season of our lives with our young children.

And going off to a set for like 12, 14 hours a day was really hard on our mom hearts.

And we would talk about that too.

We would say, how can we have a really fun creative job that we do together that also allows us to be at all of those milestones?

as a parent at all of the soccer games and the volleyball games and the school performances and the parent-teacher conferences.

Like, is there, what's that job?

Can we find it?

And that was how we kind of honed in on podcasting.

Yeah.

Now, was this your idea?

And if you don't mind me saying,

we were chatting a little bit about this before we started, I got into podcasting about nine years ago because I fell in love with the art of podcasting.

And then of course the zone got flooded.

And it's not very often that a game changer podcast presents itself.

And your podcast came out and was so.

instantly beloved and seemed to be exactly what the world needed at the exact moment.

So I guess my question is like, was it your two's idea to do the podcast?

Did people approach you about the podcast?

And did you know that you wanted to like really give the behind the scenes experience more than just recapping the episodes?

I mean, the way it started, we had no idea that it was going to be a rewatch podcast.

Really, we had a ton of memorabilia, photos, scripts, you name it.

Jenna and I sort of were the historians of the show.

We saved everything.

we took a ton of pictures, and we started this project that we had wanted to do for years to clean out our sheds and closets.

I told you, we cleaned things out.

This really happened.

And the thing is, neither of us were doing it until we're like, okay, we're both going to do it.

And in that process, I think I found out that I clearly have some weird obsession with baskets.

I had like 32 baskets.

Jenna had so many lamps.

I'm like, why are you keeping all these lamps?

I was convinced I was going to rewire them.

I know.

I know.

But anyway, we found boxes and boxes of our office memorabilia.

And we were like, we want to preserve this for our kids.

We weren't really sure how.

And we decided to each take a Halloween, our bin of Halloween pictures and stories and re-watch a Halloween episode and sort of just like make notes, right?

Like an oral history sort of like we just wanted to get it down.

Like, what would you call that?

Like journaling out loud.

Journaling out loud.

And we weren't, you know, no real idea what we were going to do with that session we just wanted to do something with it we didn't know if it would eventually lead to a book or a podcast or just us getting this history down for our kids so jenna came over and i got lunch and we sat in we have a garage that we kind of made into a bonus room and we sat on my ikea couch out there and put my iPhone between the two of us on the couch and hit record.

Yeah.

And Jenna shared hers, which was a very structured, structured, outlined, thoughtful.

I like wrote like a three-page document.

Yes.

And I, you see, these note cards behind me.

I had a stack of these note cards with my notes and ideas and pictures.

And the two of us had such a different approach to a shared memory.

We both had the same memory and we came at it from such two different perspectives.

And we just laughed and talked, and it was really fun.

And I hit stop record at the end.

And my husband is a really good editor, and he listened to it.

I sent it to Jenna and her husband and my husband.

And our husbands listened to it.

And Josh said to me, Ange, this is a podcast.

And Jenna's husband said the same thing.

He was like, you guys have something here.

Wow.

And

Josh took it out.

Yeah.

Josh edited it to a little sizzle, you know, kind of thing.

And we took it out ourselves.

Wow.

That's incredible.

I love that story.

And it just goes to show you everyone, like, just create, just do the thing.

You never know what can become of it.

I'm inspired, Patrick.

I do want to ask the first listener question because they brought up memorabilia.

Oh, yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

We got a question from a listener named Kathleen.

So for both of you, for followers of Office Ladies and Office BFFs, we all know what prop set decor they kept from the office.

I want to know, Kathleen wants to know, what Golden Girls prop or decor they would love to have.

Oh, well, I mean,

okay.

Jenny's raising her.

Joe, you go first.

I have something from Kell's episode that I want very badly.

What?

Okay, yes.

So we're going to talk about the episode Dorothy's new friend in a minute.

So that's the episode you're talking about.

Okay.

But I would take, just in general, I would take anything in their kitchen.

Oh, yes.

Yes.

The tablecloth, like any of the kitchen decor is amazing.

From this episode specifically, though, I've become somewhat obsessed with Blanche's yellow pants suit.

And if I could buy it and wear it, I would 100% do it.

All right.

Oh, I feel like you could rock so many of Blanche's out, like the red number with the thing at the top.

Oh my God, you'd be perfect in that.

It's they all look comfy.

They do.

They look like they breathe and move with you.

Yeah.

You know?

Yeah.

I'm obsessed with all of the wicker and the coral.

So like that,

that furniture set in the living room, the couch and the chair.

I mean, I want it.

I want that wicker chair.

Yeah.

I truly do.

And there's 72 coral napkins.

Yes.

They have so many coral napkins.

You know what I would take?

If I could take anything and I would fray, we have, we have big walls in my apartment and I would take the front door with that exclamation mark.

You know, I don't know if you've seen it, but there's like the, there's an exclamation mark sort of chiseled into the front door.

And I would put it on the wall behind like plexiglass or something.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, I love that.

I can make a dining table out of it.

Oh, that's true.

I would take the copper lobster mold on the wall that looks like a penis.

Yes.

Well, let's talk about.

So, you know, we asked you, and you so kindly did watch the episode, Dorothy's New Friend, which is, you know, it's made iconic by the actress Bonnie Bartlett.

It's the episode where Barbara Thorndike is Dorothy's new friend and she's kind of a jerk and, you know, the other women see it, but Dorothy doesn't really see it.

So my question is, do you think this episode is iconic?

And if so, why?

I mean, I do because it's about friendship and it's that new person that enters in sort of the old guard, the group, you know, and

that is a very common theme.

It's super relatable.

We've all lived it.

We have.

We've all had a good friend group and then had a new person join.

And you're like,

what's happening here?

Right.

So, and then also it has that very sweet ending where, you know, Dorothy is going to stand up for her friends and

her mom and her mom's friend, you know?

So, I loved the ending.

I always, whenever I hear the word metaphor, it always takes me right back to this.

I know what a metaphor is, dear.

And then also like the titles of the books, like there was the episode that we're actually doing our regular episode on today when we're done with this.

There's a shot of the hospital from the outside.

It says like Biscayne Bay hospital.

And I'm always thinking like, so dark the waves on Biscayne Bay.

But Jenna, what are you doing?

I'm sorry, Patrick.

Yeah.

I'm sorry to the group.

Sorry, what is a metaphor?

Don't worry about it.

Don't worry about us right now.

Okay, well, I also just loved, and I know we're jumping around here, but I loved how snooty Barbara was and her brooch, you know, that she found in Morocco.

And now she's never had rider's block again.

I'm like, and then I love the snark.

Was it Rose who said, or Blanche, that you can't wear it with plaid?

I just loved that.

And then I love when someone is snooty and purposely gets a name wrong.

Like the fact that she kept calling her Madge was so snarky and passive aggressive.

Yeah.

And intentional.

Like she's the character's clearly doing it up.

It's such a nasty mood.

There was a girl when I went to college that when she didn't like someone, she would purposely get their name wrong.

And it was a whole thing we all picked up on.

So like, if your name was Betsy, she'd be be like, hi, Bet.

I'm like, Bet, since when do you call me Bette?

Or she'd be like, seriously, you'd be like, Amy.

And she'd be like, hi, Emile.

And you're like, Emile?

Like, what?

She would just get like a few letters off.

And I'm like, oh, she is so damn snarky.

Ew.

Yeah.

My other question, like, in my opinion, one of the things that makes that show work so well is the guest star.

And so I wanted to talk to you about your experiences working with guest stars.

You know, whether they're like memorable experiences on the office that worked great or ones that didn't.

And if you all were ever guest stars, like what your experience was.

Yeah, I mean, the person who comes to mind is Amy Adams, who came in very early on in our first season as a guest star and just crushed it with the like type of acting that you had to do and the looking at camera or not looking at camera.

And, you know, Amy Adams wasn't Marquee Amy Adams when she did our show.

After she found it.

She wasn't even nominated for her first Academy Award episode.

It hadn't even come out yet.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So that was crazy.

And then what was so freaking cool about her was that she did her first episode.

And then in the second season, when she was now Academy Award nominee, Amy Adams, and like being like courted for all the biggest movies, she was like, yeah, I'll come back and I'll do like four lines in an episode.

And then I'll go sit on a boat for three days in the middle of the night and boost cruise with you guys.

Like she was just like so cool and up for it, even as her star was like skyrocketing, you know?

That's cool.

She said in an interview somewhere, she's like, you couldn't have kept me away.

She's like, I would have taken time off from whatever I was doing to go back.

That was clear.

That was clear.

And, you know, for the threat level midnight episode, they reached out to her because they really, you know, the idea was that he had been filming Threat Level Midnight for years.

And there would be like scenes with like people who you'd seen years ago on the office.

And they really wanted her in like a flashback scene.

And she wanted to do it so bad.

And I can't remember the reason why, Ange, right?

But like, she was on a movie.

She was in another city.

She was like, I'm going to take a red eye.

I'll do it.

And like the movie wouldn't let her out.

Like she was like, I want to do this so badly.

Yeah.

Now, Jenna, you just just called Angela Ange.

Does that mean you don't like Ange?

No?

Are we good?

That's good.

Nicknames are allowed.

That would be great.

That's allowed.

Not your name.

Snark.

Yes.

I hope people called her by the wrong name.

Just to talk about.

Yes.

No, Angela, do you have a guest star that you remember working with that stands out as a memorable experience, good or bad?

I mean, and if it's bad, you don't have to say their name.

Oh, no, no.

I mean, just memorable.

Like, when I think of someone who walked on the set and it was like electricity went through the room, it's Idris Elba.

I mean, when he walked on the

electricity just went through the room at the mere mention of the name.

Everybody was just like, oh,

like it was,

he was so charming and he totally got his character.

He knew exactly who Charles was.

He was like.

amazing and went toe-to-toe with everyone and then was also incredibly charming.

So yeah, that that is one.

And he really did like.

It translates into the episode because it's like that was his character.

Like everyone was just like swooning all around him like in the episode.

Yeah.

I would feel like walking onto our stage at that point because, you know, when we talked about Amy Adams, that was early in the show, but now this, this is later in the show.

It's very established.

The characters are established.

And to walk in as a guest star then, I feel like would have been really intimidating.

I would have been intimidated.

And he was just, he was there, man.

He was ready to go.

You know, something about the office that was

very unique to our show was that we all had to be there all day, every day, because we were in the background of each other's scenes.

The bullpen was open.

So if you were a guest star, you had to be ready for that.

You had like that, that comes with the job.

And I cannot tell you how many humongous stars, Kathy Bates, Idris Alba, Timothy Oliphant.

yes you know will farrell yeah you know came through our doors and just what incredible artists they were because they were like yeah i'll sit here for four hours while you guys figure out a scene in front of my desk we were so lucky with our guest stars you know someone who popped in my head who just absolutely delighted me was Andy Daly as Ben Franklin.

Oh, he's so good.

He's been good.

I couldn't get through those scenes with him.

Like, so so funny.

Yes.

You know, it's just popping into my mind.

And she, I'm sure she doesn't count as a guest star, but there is another Golden Girls, The Office crossover.

And I wonder if you know this.

Malora Hardin.

I was going to guess, Malora.

I mean, you know, we just like.

Malora was on Golden Girls.

No, her dad was.

Her dad

played.

I know.

I, I think his name is Jerry Hardin, and he played the professor that sexually harassed Blanche.

Do you remember that episode?

That was Malora's dad.

And that's Malora's dad.

And I, when, when we were doing a deep dive on it, and I waited to the end, I'm like, Jen, you're going to die when I tell you who he's related to.

I think his name is Jerry Hardin.

And it's funny, if you look at him, he looks just like her.

Like, you can see, like, you could see her face on him.

I do remember that you found him attractive.

Listen,

I didn't want to be controversial and be like, oh, the guy who sexually harassed Blanche is hot, but like, Malora Hardin's dad's kind of hot.

I mean, Malora is gorgeous.

She's beautiful.

And the only reason why I, she came to mind is because of everyone on the show, I feel like Melora had the biggest acting pedigree as far as generational, you know, like,

she grew up acting.

I knew her family.

Her dad was in the business.

Her mom was a manager and a teacher and an acting coach.

Yeah.

So Melora was on Little House on the Prairie.

Yeah.

She was.

Yes.

Yes.

It's so funny because I am not an actor.

I don't really understand the hierarchy of what a set is like, but I understand that you all are like the stars.

And then, you know, Mala Hardin comes in and she's a guest star or whatever, but her Jan felt like everybody's boss.

And it really felt like you all were afraid of her.

Like it translated into so far as like, we know they're acting, we know this isn't real, but I can't imagine they actually like her because she's so mean.

You know, like she was so, she was so perfect.

And it was also lived in.

And I was thinking about what you were saying about the guest stars being like, Kathy Bates being like, sure, I'll come in and figure, watch you guys.

I bet that was so fun for them.

Like the office, and this is kind of a question, like, were you able to realize how iconic it was while you were doing it?

Because I would think even when you're at Kathy Bates or a James Bad or an Andreas Elba, they get to come and play in that world for a week or however long it is.

And maybe did you recognize that even though they were big stars,

that you were big stars and that like them getting to watch you work was probably really fun for them.

It's so funny.

We interviewed Kathy Bates for Office Ladies and she talked about how intimidated she was.

And we were like, wait, what?

I know.

I know.

It's wild.

Yeah.

I just love that you shared how game these

actors were to sit there on set and not, you know, have someone stand in for them or just wait in their trailer or their room.

It's just such a reminder and a lesson to be just a team player and to have fun and not take it so seriously and just to have fun, you know, and be a good, be a nice person, be someone people want to work with.

It's really lovely.

Well, to be fair, we were a fun place to work.

Like you didn't want to be in your trailer, you know, you were going to miss out on something because we were, if we weren't doing a hilarious scene, we were doing bits off camera and having the best time.

So you did not want to be in your trailer.

There are some sets where you're like, I'm going to need to go to my trailer because there is

toxicity happening that I want to get away from.

But all of of these big stars, we were a really artistically satisfying place to be, I think.

I love that.

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I want to get to more listener questions, but I would be remiss if I didn't tell you, Jenna, that like, Pam, you're missing things is the thing that my husband and I scream at each other whenever one of us is not in the the room that they need to be in.

Do you remember that episode?

It was like the episode of the lake.

I know.

Oh my god, it is so iconic in our house.

Refresh my mind.

Is it Michael?

Was Michael the one that said it?

Yeah, it's Michael from off camera because it was like the vacation day where you all go to the lake and you, but like, you didn't get to have a vacation because you had to like walk around and write down what everybody was doing.

And I had to take diligent notes.

Yes.

And so there's a shot right before it goes into the commercial where you're like talking to the camera and you're just kind of like, I just wanted to like come to the beach.

And from off camera, you hear Michael go, Pam, you're missing things.

And it is, I have watched it so

many times.

And my husband and I just like scream it down the hallway to each other.

And then Angela, of course, save Bandit.

Like, do people just shout that at you in parking lots?

Yes.

People yell, save, bandit.

And then, you know, for me, because I get save bandit a lot.

I know Jenna gets, please don't throw.

garbage at my head.

Is that what you get, Jenna?

Please don't throw garbage at me.

Please don't throw garbage at me.

And then I have gotten green as Horish, but the one that like I always remember because I was like, what?

I had gone to see you two, and I was walking to my seats.

I was going down a staircase.

And you know, the section right above you, like the balcony, as I'm going down, these young guys come to the edge of the balcony and they yell across the section.

Angela, I would take the Da Vinci code so I could burn the Da Vinci code.

And that's like such a random thing.

And I was like, oh my gosh, right.

That's when we all say what we would take in the deserted island.

I mean, it's also the other one that we say to each other all the time is a glass of warm milk, two chapters of a good book, and lights out by nine.

That's how I sleep at night.

Yeah, it's

such a good one.

Yeah.

All right.

Do you have time for a couple more listener questions?

Tons of time.

Yeah.

We're here.

Oh my God.

I love you guys.

Okay.

So we're officially making a podcast together.

So Jessica says, I would love to know where they would live if they could move and live like the Golden Girls.

I think it'd be funny to see an episode with Angela, Pam, Kelly, and Phyllis in a house for a weekend.

Oh, my gosh.

That's the spin-off we need.

That is the spin-off.

That would be so good.

Where would the house be?

And what do you think that, like, what would the situation be?

I don't know, but Meredith definitely lives next door.

Yeah.

We won't let her live with us, but she's like moved adjacent.

Maybe she's in the garage apartment.

Yes.

I love it.

Here's a question I love.

If you two could have guest starred on an episode of The Golden Girls, which one would it have been?

Oh, I don't know them well enough.

I wish I did.

Or if you could be a character, like if you could even invent a character,

who would you be?

Yeah, which golden girl would you say you are?

And which one would your friends say you are?

Oh, that's a good one.

Well, i know

who you would say i am dorothy yes

yes i am dorothy the bornak yes

am i rose jenna yes you are i am rose

although i know a malamar in the cookie right

um

yeah that's so funny you know if i could go on the golden girls and be in one episode i would want to be there the day that burt reynolds Reynolds shows up to the front door.

Oh my God.

So being

good.

And everyone else is like, what?

I mean, talk about like a great door opener guest.

It's so good.

And the line is, he leans into Sophia, which wants the slug.

And they all raise their hands.

It's so.

All right.

This is a good one.

If they could have a mashup between the two shows, which two characters would you love to have a scene together?

My two requests would be Meredith and Blanche and then Dwight and Sophia.

Oh, yeah,

I mean,

I also think

Michael with any of them, really and truly, have a sit-down with Michael with any one of those ladies, and that would be off to the races.

Like Michael and Rose would be some really good content, I think.

Uh-huh.

I could also see Michael on a date with Blanche because she would blow his mind.

Like,

he did date Pam's mom.

Exactly.

Right.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, true.

Wait.

Here's a last question from Heidi.

It says, if Pam and Angela were to show up on the Golden Girls, what would they look like?

Are they related to someone?

Are they neighbors?

Charity event?

Mrs.

Claxton.

Are they neighbors?

Charity event.

Maybe they're on a business trip to the Sabre headquarters.

Oh, I think in my heart of hearts, we'd be neighbors.

And we would be those ladies that do the same walk every morning, you know?

Like, like I have these two ladies that live at the end of my street.

They're side by side.

They're widowers.

They do this walk.

And one day I had lived in my house 10 years.

And one day they walked by and they said, oh, it's so nice you finally got your fence done.

I was like, how long has this bothered them?

How many times?

That's in my heart of hearts, Jenna and I would be these two gals that walk by and like comment on people's yards.

I love it.

Oh my God.

I love it.

I have a question after watching this episode.

Please.

Which, yes, which is so a big theme in this episode is like first impressions.

Like,

you know, Barbara makes this really great first impression, but then it's not lasting.

But then she has, you know, she talks about how like, well, maybe I just got a bad first impression of your friends.

I'll give them another try.

Do you guys remember your first impression of one another?

That is so a, it's so kind of you to ask us a question.

I, if I may, Ms.

Simard.

So Jennifer Simard is a huge Broadway star.

She's a three-time Tony nominee.

She's co-starring in Death Becomes Her on Broadway right now.

She's got her third Tony nomination.

If you go to her, did you, are you guys on TikTok?

No.

Do you like follow the trends?

No, we're not.

We're not on the tickety talk, but we're

on.

I don't know.

Jennifer, can I, I have to like pause right now.

Yes.

I saw Death Becomes Her with my mom, and I did not connect those dots.

Holy shit.

you're amazing

oh thank you jenna oh my god yeah thank you it is oh a triumph and you are so freaking funny thank you and i saw you on the toy so much in your seat with your little sign yes my little sign yes

that's the tick tock patrick's referring to because that that's from the show that was rude and that went viral and so yeah there's there's this uh yeah there's this video of bette midler who's a friend of jen's coming backstage after the show and Bette Midler on her knees bowing to Jennifer, like saying like, how am I doing?

Wait, is that online?

Yeah.

It's on my Instagram.

Now, I don't know how, but because, you know, you get like the algorithms.

I saw that and I was like, damn.

I mean,

wait a second.

Are you going on stage tonight?

Yes.

Yes, I am.

Oh, my gosh, Jen.

Yes.

Well, thank you for hopping on and talking with us.

She's been doing this the whole time.

Let me tell you, like, Jen has been, we've been making, we are, we've been making this podcast as long as she's been doing Death Becomes Her.

Like, it's, she is, she is such a rock star.

Why would I give up the opportunity to meet incredible humans such as you?

Oh, my gosh.

Jen, I'm so.

I'll sleep when I'm dead.

I'm so humbled because, I mean, Jen, Jen and I both just.

We know what it takes to do a podcast and show up and that energy and to know that you're also then going to go out on stage tonight.

Like, thank you so much for taking the time out from your preparation.

I know.

My mind is blown right now.

Thank you very much.

I don't know how I didn't put that together before.

No, because you know why?

We're all just, we're, I think every actress is inherently a character actress.

You have to disappear into that part, you know?

So I, I know that's, you wouldn't know me if you saw me on the street half the time.

So I, I take it as a compliment.

to be perfectly

i saw the show with my mom and my mom and i were just like i can't believe we got to see those two ladies on stage.

We feel so privileged.

That's the cool thing about theater, you know, you either see it or you don't.

And it's a moment in time.

Although I have a feeling this is going to be a real long moment because I mean, you know, it's very good.

It is very good.

But, um, wow.

That was it.

I mean, I was a fan of Jen's from years and years and years ago.

And then over the pandemic, I found out that Jen was listening to my other, I make a true crime podcast as well.

And Jen was like a listener to that podcast.

And so I was blown away away by that.

And so I reached, I like slid into her DMs.

I'm like, hi, I love you.

Like, thank you for listening.

And we went back and forth.

And then she started coming up.

No, I think I slid into your DMs because, you know, True Crime Obsessed is a hugely successful podcast.

And a girlfriend of mine wanted to do one of our own during the pandemic.

And you were so kind to information share.

But my first impression of Patrick was one of incredible competence and exuberance and genuine excitement and kindness because I was a guest on his Theater People podcast back in 2016.

And then a friends of mine wanted to start a podcast with me.

I guess I've been doing it since for seven years, since 2018.

And this is this venture with Patrick is my third venture and my favorite to date.

But

I wanted to thank you for that question.

But it was like you guys were, your first impressions of each other came from your work, from your artistry.

From your admiration of each other.

Yeah.

You have like an artist crush on one another.

Yes.

Truly.

But isn't it interesting that Rose and Blanche's first impression was the accurate one, so to speak?

Do you know what I mean?

About who Barbara, who Barbara was to her core.

And something else.

So Mark Cherry is a friend of the podcast.

I heard his interview.

Okay.

So you heard what he said.

And he said, the thing about Rue McClanahan is how good she was at playing all the different colors of a character.

And she could play in quotes.

She could play, quote, dumb.

And I see, or just kind of flighty.

And I see that color in her in this episode.

She's just so good at

all those different nuances.

But the theme that you talk about, so that that really affected you, Jenna, the theme of this episode.

That's part of it.

Yeah.

What's interesting to me is that it made me reflect because, you know, at the end, Blanche and Rose's assessment of Barbara is correct.

Yeah.

That she's a crappy person.

But it made me reflect about how in my relationship with Angela, we've each had different like friends that we've brought into our lives that we like.

And every once in a while, there's someone that Angela and I are like, huh, really?

Like Angela will make a new friend and I'll be like, I don't care for her and

the other way around.

And then other times there's people where I'm like, oh my gosh, she's a peach.

I love her.

What a gem of a person.

And it's kind of interesting to me because as I, after I watched this episode and I was thinking about it and I said it to you, Angela, I was like, have you noticed noticed that the ones that the other person didn't like, they didn't actually stick around?

Yeah.

Oh, interesting.

Like, but not like in such a confrontational way or anything, but just a kind of like, huh?

Like, you didn't say go to him.

No, no, no.

You can't be friends with her.

No, I just said, I don't love her.

Yeah.

Or, or, or vice versa.

Or you might just have that moment where you're like, mom, okay, okay.

And then there's no like, I told you so.

There's none of that.

It's just how how it just plays out.

We're getting into a deep area here.

This excites me.

Let me ask you this question to the groom because we all have that shiny object syndrome in friendships.

Since, like, when you're little kids, too, you're like, you have your really good rider dies, and then that's a popular kid likes you, and you kind of dump the other kid for a minute, and it's not the best quality, but we all understand what that's like.

You know how psychologists or psychiatrists or therapists will say we're often drawn to a romantic partner that is tapping into some unhealed wound from our past.

There's an attraction there, maybe because of, not always, but because there might be some unhealed trauma.

Do you think the same is true with some of these friendships that don't work out?

That the attraction is so strong because they are a reflection of something you need to grow or look at?

Just hypothetically, I'm sure it's

always that way.

I think maybe.

I also think sometimes whatever your childhood trauma is, you get drawn to it because it's familiar.

And then you have to be reminded that you don't want that.

Yeah.

And then sometimes you get drawn into relationships that heal, you know, that give you the opposite, you know, like my friendship with Angela is a healing friendship, you know, it's just a friendship of unconditional love and trust and support and all those things.

And it heals me every day.

I just love it so much.

But, you know, like you said, the shiny object, oh my gosh, go back to my early dating life.

I mean, how much like I would be attracted to,

I don't want to say, but you know,

just like

not the right person because it was familiar.

Yeah.

You know?

Yes.

Yeah.

But it wasn't the healthiest thing.

Yeah.

Do you all follow Dr.

Romany?

She's, she's a doctor who, she, she does a lot of like work on around like narcissism and childhood trauma and stuff.

And one of the things that she had a guest on her podcast and she said, what is the number one sign of an adult struggling or an adult who has survived childhood trauma?

And he said, without skipping a beat, he said, it's trying to make difficult people like you.

And I thought, like, that really resonated with me.

Like, I, when I look at some of the friendships that I've had in my life that have not worked out or that have ended disastrously, it's because I look at the fact that like they were difficult and they didn't like me or whatever.

And I, it made it my mission to make them like me.

And then ultimately it falls apart.

But I was like, oh my God, that's, yeah, that really spoke to me.

Yeah.

Are we a psychology podcast now or something?

All of a sudden, we are.

I do think too, and just to maybe wrap up this question and something Jenna and I have talked a lot about is that there are seasons of friendship and some people come into your life for that season.

That's who you were at the time.

That's what you needed at the time.

And then they might not grow with you, right?

As you grow.

And that's okay.

And the other thing is, though, you do have people that are going to grow with you.

And that's the true, true friendships.

And I'm so thankful for my friendship with Jenna.

And we didn't meet as young, you know, we weren't.

teenagers, you know, we don't have those high school memories.

We didn't know each other in college.

We met later in life.

And I think that's really special, too, because I think sometimes you think, well, I'm too old to make a really good friend or

you close yourself off to that kind of meaningful friendship, but you're not.

You're not too old to make a really good friend.

I love that.

Did you all meet on the office?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

This is we literally met because we were the two closest women to each other.

So we just had

a partition between us and we would stand up.

I would stand up over the partition and talk to Joe.

Well, and Angela was also, to me, the physically closest person because the reception desk was kind of an island, but I could pass notes to Angela over the partition or between takes, I could just stand up and we could talk.

But for me to talk to anyone else, it was like a literal journey.

She had to come out and walk around the,

you know,

that reception desk.

I'm sure you've been asked this 10 million times and have answered this 10 million times, but was the character's name Angela or did they just like, they're like, we like that name.

We'll just let you use your real name.

You know, basically what Greg has said was there were some new characters that didn't have names or weren't in the original BBC version of the show.

And he just, in the writer's room, they were just kind of lazy and gave them our names.

So it's Phyllis, Creed, Angela.

Right, of course.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And it was just enough to confuse the hell out of everybody.

So, right.

Well, before we let you go, we have to talk about.

So, Jen Simart is not the only stage star on this call right now because Miss Jenna Fisher is doing a play very soon.

Yeah.

Ashland Avenue at the Goodman Theater.

I love the Goodman.

I'm so excited.

My husband wrote the play.

He went to school in Chicago.

He went to theater school at DePaul.

And this play is a real love letter to Chicago.

It's about a small business owner in Chicago who is kind of dealing with the fact that maybe the world doesn't want small businesses anymore in a way.

Like they don't want his small business.

And so he's trying to hold on to it.

It's kind of a family dramedy.

I play this character's daughter, but I'm so excited.

I mean, I am a huge theater nerd.

I texted my vocal coach today and I read my script with my coffee.

I just try to read it a couple times a week.

We start rehearsals soon, and then it opens in September.

Oh, wonderful.

And who's directing it?

Susan Booth, the artistic director of The Goodmen.

And then Fran Guinen plays the lead.

He's like a big Chicago legend.

So I can't believe I get to play his his daughter.

And it's a really great cast.

Is this your first time on stage professionally?

No, this will be my third time.

So I got my degree in theater.

So it's my first love and it's kind of all I want to do now moving forward, you know, save for like if there's some cool little movie role or something that I can sink my teeth into.

But my hope is that as my kids graduate from high school, I'll move to New York and just try to make it as a theater actress.

Seriously, Jennifer,

you're her goal in life is to like it's true, but I can't sing and dance.

I can't sing and dance, so you're not going to see me in any musical.

That's okay.

Let's do a let's do a play together.

We did the out of town in Chicago, and it's the greatest theater town.

And

I'm sure you're going to be wonderful and break legs.

And this is thrilling.

And yes, and look, New York's not going anywhere.

So come on, come on.

The water's fine.

Come on.

Thank you.

Oh my gosh.

Jen, it's all I want to do.

i'm just so excited yay steve and i are going to come and see it no stop it i can't wait

for sure

let me know when you come i'm going i'm going to go to the opening if you're going to go i would love to hang out with you we could grab a drink oh my god if that's a real invitation then that is what i'm saying well yeah i'll i'll picture yeah give me your deets give me your details what do we say what do the shit say today i don't know

well and angela you have a cookbook coming out i do you guys my husband is amazing cook he's a phenomenal baker and just an amazing chef.

And he's self-taught.

And it's really just, I think, a gift that he had within him because I don't know how he's so good at everything, like from cookie decorating to cakes to.

you know, one pot dinners.

The man is just a natural in the kitchen.

But he really wanted to do a cookbook because something he has really helped me and the kids with is not being afraid to try to cook and get in there.

And I was always like, I can't cook.

I can't cook and he'd be like you can and it's it's where we really fell in love was in our kitchen i i mean just over a meal together we met later in life you know we were divorced with kids and that's the heart of our home was the kitchen and so we've been cooking together we did some youtube videos when uh you know we've been out there for a while baking with josh and ange because my family calls me and jen so you can call me ange

you can call you angel

bacon with josh Bacon with Josh and Ange.

That's the name of the channel.

That's sort of our YouTube and our

Instagram and

that.

But that is what led years and years of us cooking together and making all these recipes.

And he has so many great recipes that he has tweaked and made his own.

And the cookbook is called You Can Make This.

Because that's what he always says to

me.

I'm going to do this.

I'm going to learn to cook.

That's like my big dream.

You had me at One Pot dinners.

Yes.

Because I don't have a lot of time.

I don't have a lot of timers.

There's like a

one-pot, one sheet.

Yeah.

And soups.

Oh, yeah.

He loves a soup.

And it's just, it's really accessible, easy recipes that are really delicious.

And the food photography, like, you know, we always just take pictures ourselves.

And we hired this gal, Victoria Harris.

The book is so beautiful.

So I could not anticipate that.

I'm like, oh my God, this is so beautiful.

And it's coming out in October.

So October 22nd, guys.

But you can pre-order now.

You can pre-order now.

There it is.

Pre-order now.

That makes all the difference.

Oh, my God.

Well, Angela and Jenna, we love you so much.

This has been a dream since before we even launched.

So, thank you, thank you, thank you for doing this.

Thank you for watching.

I don't want to leave.

I don't want to leave.

I love you guys.

Will you come back and do it again?

100%.

Absolutely.

Anytime.

Well, you know, who knows, Patrick?

Maybe when we actually get to the Barbara Thunderdyke episode, I have a feeling Jenna took notes and did her homework.

Did you do homework?

I took notes.

She did.

So maybe.

So maybe

season three.

I reached out to your team and I was like, I don't want them to feel like they have to take notes.

We'll just talk.

We'll talk about it.

We can't help them.

We couldn't help ourselves.

Dorothy and Rose did their homework.

So maybe for

the actual episodes,

it's not far from now.

Is it season four?

Season three.

It's coming up soon.

I think it's season three episodes.

Yeah.

Oh, my God.

I have

a little bit of a little tea there.

I'm coming to your show.

You can't keep me away.

I hope you are.

And we're getting the bones.

You're going to get an ego today.

I can't wait to see you on stage.

My

husband.

Yes.

Let me know.

Let me know.

And we'll say hi.

You come up to the gym.

Oh, my God.

That'd be amazing.

All right.

You guys, thank you so much.

What a wonderful morning.

I love you.

Besties for the rest of you.

Yay.

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