Peacock Superfan: Customer Survey

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Speaker 1 I'm Jenna Fisher and I'm Angela Kinsey. We were on the office together and we're best friends.
And now we're doing the Ultimate Office Lovers podcast just for you.

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Speaker 1 Hi there, everybody. Bonjour.

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Speaker 1 Why franche today? I don't know. I'm wearing a black and white stripey sweater.

Speaker 1 And I just feel like if I had a red beret, I'd be very franche right now. You would.

Speaker 1 Well, I couldn't wear my beret and my headphones to podcast. True.
Before we get into this episode, I mean, are you dying to hear a jumping up and down update? Did you do your 50 jumps? Every day.

Speaker 1 I'm doing them every day. My calves don't hurt anymore.
Really? Yeah. That was just the first couple of days.
And I'm, I think there's something to this.

Speaker 1 It's really great. I have a question for you.
What? Are you jumping in sneakers or barefoot? How?

Speaker 1 What? Not in sneakers. So here's what I do.
I get up in the morning.

Speaker 1 I shower or get dressed i mean i have to put something on the ladies some form of support before i start

Speaker 1 jumping like crazy right

Speaker 1 and then i jump

Speaker 1 and then i go downstairs and i get my cup of coffee and i get my morning started

Speaker 1 but it's like very first thing and i'm usually sam what is it how high are you jumping not high you don't have to jump high okay I'm picturing you doing like basketball style like leaps for okay.

Speaker 1 Okay. No, imagine like enough for a jump rope to fit under my feet.
Okay. But I'm not bending my knees.
I'm just jumping up.

Speaker 1 And, but then I also like, I wave my arms because I just like want my arms to be part of the pumping of the jumping. Perfect.

Speaker 1 What day are you on? How many days?

Speaker 1 Maybe like 10 now or something. I don't know.
I need to look and see when I started. You got to mark that down.
This is where my mind goes is that because my house is this older house, right?

Speaker 1 That if our kids jump upstairs in the kitchen, we're like, what was that? Yeah, I mean, it's so loud. So I started to picture Lee making coffee in the morning and like, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.

Speaker 1 They didn't mention anything. I had to tell them I was doing the jumping.
No one said, mom, what's happening up there every morning now? Well, you probably have better insulation than we have. Maybe.

Speaker 1 I mean, you could drop a quarter upstairs and we're like, oh, someone dropped something.

Speaker 1 Are you still patting yourself down, Angela? I don't do it every day.

Speaker 1 I don't know why that's funny to me. Because it's predictable.

Speaker 1 The most predictable thing about me is my inconsistency with a new trend. The only thing I'm stuck with is tennis.
Like, I do tennis every week. That's all I got.

Speaker 1 Well, listen, why don't we jump into this episode today? We are going to break down the super fan of customer survey. Customer survey was season five, episode seven.

Speaker 1 It was written by Lester Lewis and directed by Stephen Merchant. We've got a version of Fast Facts for you, friends.

Speaker 1 It's called Where Are They Now? That's what it's called. Yes, Fast Fact number one is called Where Are They Now? Character Recap.
Cassie helped us with this.

Speaker 1 We thought it might be good to frame Where Are We Now in everyone's storyline.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 last episode, the episode prior to Customer Survey, Michael and Daryl drop Holly off at Nashua.

Speaker 1 This is after David Wallace caught Michael and Holly kissing at the Crimeaid fundraiser and said they can no longer work together. Yeah, so he transfers Holly.

Speaker 1 That was such a dick move, David Wallace. I agree.
How many people are hooking up in this office over the years? Seriously. So many.
Angela Martin would have been transferred a long time ago. I know.

Speaker 1 Well, Holly doesn't think that a long-distance relationship is going to work and ends things with Michael. It's very sad.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Pam is in New York. She is attending art school and now also working at the corporate offices of Dunder Mifflin.

Speaker 1 She and Jim are engaged. Angela Martin is engaged to Andy and Andy is very excitedly planning their wedding.

Speaker 1 But Angela is also having a secret affair with Dwight that Phyllis got a glimpse of back in season four finale, Goodbye Toby. So

Speaker 1 there's a lot happening here. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And finally, Ryan is back working at Dunder Mifflin, and he's sort of seeing Kelly and his reluctant, aloof dating style. So you guys, this episode originally aired on November 6, 2008.

Speaker 1 And Jenna thought it would be fun if we did a little thing called, Where Were We? Yes, Where Were We? Our Fast Fact 2 is called, Where Were We?

Speaker 1 Where Were We as Jenna and Angela? Angela, do you want to tell us where you were? Yeah, I went into my digital clutter, like you know, I like to do, and I have emails for you

Speaker 1 that I'm going to share. The first one is, me and you and Jen Salata, writer, director Jen Salada, had a thread going the week.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the week this episode came out, in fact.

Speaker 1 Jen emailed us and said, you guys, this is what I was talking about on set. Have you seen this? And it's titled Ninja Cat.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 And I wrote, LOL so awesome. And you wrote, ha ha ha ha, ha, ha ha.

Speaker 1 And I went to the video and it's now unavailable. Oh, no.
It was clearly has, I mean, if titled correctly, is some sort of cat doing

Speaker 1 ninja moves? I don't know. Ninja moves.
Okay. But a glimpse into what we talk about on set, by the way.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Also, this week, we got an email from Randy Cordre.

Speaker 1 Oh, I just love even saying his name because I just adore him. The email is titled, Office Latest Schedule, and he addressed it, hi, Team Office.
Please see the attached schedule.

Speaker 1 It is now our plan to only shoot the Super Bowl two-parter in December. We will shut down production for Thanksgiving from Monday, November 17th through Friday, December 12th.

Speaker 1 We're also going to have a table read on Wednesday, December 3rd. Oh, I know.
And then he sent us a whole schedule, which you would have loved.

Speaker 1 And it said who was writing what episode and what director they had picked. I would love that.
I know. And then, lastly, I have one where I sent you a picture of Isabelle being super cute.

Speaker 1 And you sent back a picture of yourself in a Dallas Cowboys jersey in front of wallpaper that you'd put in your bathroom.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 the wallpaper was all these different, it looked like bugs, maybe?

Speaker 1 Yes, yes. So in our old house, we wallpapered our bathroom with the pages of this book that was like,

Speaker 1 it was like illustrations of bugs and insects and snakes and things. But it was really cool looking.
Oh, we thought this was like the coolest thing. Well, you look adorable in this picture.

Speaker 1 Well, thank you. I was trying to figure out if it was an early selfie or if you like set the phone down.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Clearly you took it, but it's super cute.
Well, there you go. That's what you and I were doing in my digital clutter.
We were getting emails from Randy with schedules.

Speaker 1 We were looking at ninja cats and wallpaper and cute babies. I love your digital clutter.
That all, that brought back such great memories. I know, but don't you want to find Ninja Cat now? I do.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, I did a little deep dive and I found that in November of 2008, I attended a special screening of the movie Milk in New York. Oh.
And I found pictures of it.

Speaker 1 And I was reminded of how incredibly proud I was of this outfit that I put together for myself. I styled myself for this screening.
Oh, I can't wait. What was your big Showstopper fashion accessory?

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 So it was all black. It was black pants, then this black blouse, but the blouse had like a ruffle running down the front of it.
Like it was a button-down blouse.

Speaker 1 And then on each side of the buttons was like a structured kind of tuxedo ruffle, like a prom tuxedo? A little, but it not super big, but like, I mean, cute.

Speaker 1 And then I had on a black blazer and I had on black patent heels and I had like a black purse. But I know that sounds boring.
Let me tell you my big style moment.

Speaker 1 I wore a gray patent belt.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's right. It was all black except the belt.
I mean, you are just really on the edge of like crazy risky fashion trends.

Speaker 1 I know, exactly.

Speaker 1 I also wore some hoop earrings. Oh, yeah.
Sounds like. Yeah.
Lee was my date. Apparently, Sean Penn was there.
I mean, he's in all the pictures when I was looking up this event, but I didn't meet him.

Speaker 1 Oh, well, I would very much like to see your outfit. All right.
I'll send you a picture of it. I feel like if I had met Sean Penn, he would have been like, that's a stylish lady.

Speaker 1 I'm glad she came to my screening.

Speaker 1 You know? Yeah. I'm sure that is like how he measures

Speaker 1 like people by their style. Seems like it, right? Yeah, he seems that way.
He does. I'm just kidding.
I don't know him at all. I know.
I love that.

Speaker 1 I mean, one of the things that has been so fun about our rewatch podcast and is just revisiting this time in our life. You know, it's been really, really delightful.

Speaker 1 And at this point, it's been long enough that revisiting the fashion of that time in our life is also kind of fun. Okay.
Where are we? Fast Fact 3.

Speaker 1 Are you ready for it? Yeah. You don't know it.
It's a Dr. Thibodeau tidbit.
I love Dr. Thibodeau.
All right. Someone shared this with me.
I guess he posted this over on our Facebook fan page group.

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Thibodeau, I love all of your stats. Well, why don't we take a break and we'll come back with our breakdown of the Superfan episode of Customer Survey.

Speaker 1 There is so much more delicious stuff in the Superfan. I can't wait to chat about it.

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Speaker 1 All right, we are back and let's talk about a few of the storylines in this episode, starting with the cold open where Michael is lying about being engaged to Holly. Oh, yes.

Speaker 1 Michael has everyone gathered around him in his office. He's sitting at his desk and in true Michael fashion, he has to lie and say everything is fine.
And not only that, they're engaged.

Speaker 1 Lady, in the extended version, Michael really, really spins a yarn that's so much longer than the one that is in the original broadcast. He details his huge proposal to Holly.

Speaker 1 It's made me laugh so hard. I want us to hear the whole thing.

Speaker 1 Come on. How did you propose? Spill it.
Were you wasted?

Speaker 3 How did I propose? Let me see.

Speaker 4 Well, I drove her up to Nashua and I had the ring, big 10-karat diamond, beautiful.

Speaker 4 And I got down on my hands and knees, and shooting star crossed overhead, and it just lit up the diamond like a shooting star.

Speaker 4 And we were in a restaurant, and I put the diamond into a cheeseburger.

Speaker 4 And she took a bite,

Speaker 1 started to choke.

Speaker 4 So, what do I do? I CPR training, go around, start doing the Heimlich.

Speaker 4 The ring pops out of her mouth, hits her shrimp cocktail right onto her finger.

Speaker 4 Million-to-one shot. All of the Greek people in the restaurant start screaming,

Speaker 4 which means congratulations.

Speaker 4 So, oh man.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 I just, can we talk about how in his fantasy, he could make this engagement anything he wanted. Yeah.
In his fantasy, his fiancé chokes on the ring and he has to save her life. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Amazing. And there's shrimp cocktail.

Speaker 1 He's on his hands and knees. There's so many wonderful details.
So many details. I just loved it.

Speaker 1 And as Steve, as Michael Scott is delivering this, Steve is so brilliant because he is making it seem like Michael is just making this up on the spot.

Speaker 1 And he's got that kind of look of wonder in his eye as the lie gets bigger and bigger. But we know that Steve was doing a scripted dialogue.
And he's making it seem like Michael's discovering it.

Speaker 1 It's just brilliant. Steve is brilliant.
We all know this. That was a big part of the Michael character that Steve had to play all the time was delivering dialogue like that.
Yes.

Speaker 1 With like this sense of wonder that it's coming out of his mouth.

Speaker 1 Well, after that moment, there was one more really great couplet of dialogue that is new to the super fan because right after Michael's speech, Andy gets very excited and he goes, big idea.

Speaker 1 We should totally do a double wedding. You and Holly, me and Angela.
And Michael goes,

Speaker 1 we would never do that. And if we did, it would be with Jim and Pam.
And then Jim goes, and we would never do that. And Michael goes to Andy, so there you go.

Speaker 1 It was like, it was like multiple disses on different levels. Yes.

Speaker 1 This got me curious about double weddings. Would you ever do a double wedding? Would I ever do a double wedding? Yeah, i wouldn't

Speaker 1 no it no i want the party to be my party yeah i don't want to share my party i looked into it i guess only one percent of weddings are double weddings in places like the us the uk canada and australia there are other parts of the world where double weddings are more popular um

Speaker 1 but i ended up on some thread about double weddings and there were two people who shared double wedding stories and I thought I could share them. Okay.
I mean, I guess, I mean, I think I was on Quora.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, Cora, Cora will get you a random answer. You know, here's the thing.
I don't mean to poo-poo double weddings for the 1% that have had them. I just,

Speaker 1 I guess maybe it saves money, right? Yep. But you would have to really like the other people and really have the same taste.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Well, here's what one person said. They said, quote, I have only ever been to one double wedding.

Speaker 1 Two sisters whose parents had also been married in a double wedding and their father was the minister of the church. So the logistics were quite a performance, but it all went perfectly.

Speaker 1 This person went on to say, first, the dad escorted his eldest daughter down the aisle. Then he went back, escorted his younger one down the aisle.

Speaker 1 He didn't bother asking who gives this woman. I think he said something to the effect of, I give this woman.

Speaker 1 Then he went through all the vows with one couple, and then he did it again with the second couple.

Speaker 1 So, not only was it a double wedding, but the dad was the minister of the double wedding. I mean, I feel like Michael Scott would be so delighted to be this dad.

Speaker 1 He can walk both his daughters down the aisle at the same day, and he gets to do all the talking. This is Michael Scott's dream wedding.
I'm just asking myself: if I'm the younger sister,

Speaker 1 am I annoyed? Am I like just this whole thing? It's like I'm the second bride to walk down the aisle. I'm the second set of vows that get exchanged.
Like, is everyone done kind of like crying after

Speaker 1 the first one? Also, what about the bouquet toss? Everyone's fought it out for the older sister's bouquet. And then you're like, you're like in the background, like, you guys, I have one to throw.

Speaker 1 Is anyone my bouquet? Yeah, I don't have any details on that. All right, here's my next letter

Speaker 1 my next quora i have been a wedding officiant for 20 years and full-time for six that's literally hundreds of weddings and i've done one double wedding it was for two sisters one was marrying a man the other was marrying a woman so the sister who was engaged to the man held off marrying her fiancé until it was legal for her sister to wed her bride.

Speaker 1 And once marriage equality laws were passed, they decided to both get married in a double wedding. I was like, I had goosebumps by the end of this.
I was like, that is very sweet.

Speaker 1 The sweetest thing. Yeah, that is sweet sibling

Speaker 1 support and love. That is really nice.
That's special. Yeah.
I know. All right.
That's what I got on double weddings, everybody. So back to this episode.

Speaker 1 After the credits, we have the scene where Kelly comes into Michael's office and she's carrying a stack of customer surveys. But first, she tells Michael,

Speaker 1 Hey, you know, I just need you to know I'm out $100 on the bridesmaid's dress that I bought for this wedding that turned out to be fake.

Speaker 1 In the broadcast version, she sort of drops that news and then Michael says, Are those the customer surveys? Like the joke is that he just kind of ignores her. Yeah.

Speaker 1 In the Superfan version, this conversation was longer.

Speaker 1 Michael expands on what it's been like for him since he lost his fake fiancé. I think we should hear it.

Speaker 8 So I returned my bridesmaid dress and it was on sale, so I'm out $100.

Speaker 9 And I'm out of fiancé.

Speaker 9 You know what that feels like?

Speaker 4 It is like

Speaker 9 hot sand that you drink,

Speaker 9 and then you go to get a glass of water and it's just more hot sand. And then you start thinking, why is hot sand coming out of my faucet? You want to talk to your fiancé about it, but she's gone.

Speaker 8 That's actually how I feel about my dress.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 I love that no matter what Michael says, Kelly's going to bring it back to her dress. But also,

Speaker 1 how did she even have time to buy a dress? Didn't he's only had this fake fiancé for like, didn't it all fall apart all in the same.

Speaker 1 Do you think Kelly had bought this dress and wanted to return it? And this is like, she's trying to get Michael to pay for it. It was like not connected.
I don't know. Or am I missing something? Like,

Speaker 1 I feel like didn't he announce he was engaged and then it all fell apart all in the same scene? It definitely feels like it fell apart in the same day. Yes.

Speaker 1 Well, we also learned pretty quickly that Jim and Dwight didn't do well on their customer surveys. And Sam, Cassie, Jenna, four minutes and 47 seconds.
Clacky balls. Clacky balls catch.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I just really miss a clacky ball catch.

Speaker 1 I still have the clacky balls that Cassie untangled for me in my office, Sam. It was a gift you gave me.
Just want you to know. Wait,

Speaker 1 didn't somebody else's clacky balls get tangled and we never untangled them?

Speaker 1 Didn't that happen?

Speaker 1 Are they mine? Are my clacky balls tangled? No, mine were tangled for like

Speaker 1 almost a year because my friends, my neighbor's toddler came over and went,

Speaker 1 you guys, please hold. I need to check my clacky balls.
Holding.

Speaker 1 Well, are your clacky balls tangled?

Speaker 1 You tell me.

Speaker 1 Nope. Hello?

Speaker 1 That's so frustrating to watch.

Speaker 1 It's so satisfying. I think it's so satisfying.

Speaker 1 All right, my clacky balls are fine. I couldn't wait.
I'm sorry, everybody. I didn't want to wait till after we were done podcasting to know.

Speaker 1 Well, there you have it, clacky ball catch.

Speaker 1 I also have another moment in this scene between between jim and michael that i want to point out first of all one of my favorite lines in the whole episode which is when jim's like how'd i do and michael goes you did poopy it's like so funny to me that he said the word poopy i don't know it makes me laugh every time but michael also mashes two words to form a new word lady there's a new michael word We did not talk about this in any detail the first time we re-watched it.

Speaker 1 We sort of lightly mention it, but we don't share it it in its full moment. You know what I mean? Okay.

Speaker 1 So in this moment, Michael is reading comments that people have said about Jim in his customer review. And Michael says, let's see what we can find out.

Speaker 1 Sorry, this line also made me laugh. I'm sorry.
This whole scene got me. Jim's like, can I see what people said? And Michael's like, yeah.
And he goes, let's see what we can find out with reading.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 With reading just made me laugh. And then he reads, Jim Halpert is smudge and arrogant.
And Jim goes, I think you mean smug. And Michael goes, arrogant.
And Jim goes, come on, Michael.

Speaker 1 And then Michael says, and there's our smudgeness. Smudgeness.
Yeah. It's smudge and arrogant.
I love it. I want to start using smudgeness.
All right. I'll do it with you.
Okay. Well, this scene.

Speaker 1 extends further in the superfan version and we see who actually did well on the customer survey. Stanley and Phyllis are high fiving.

Speaker 1 Andy awkwardly tries to get in on the high five, but their whole desk clop did well. Yeah.
This is suspect. Well, I want to discuss the scene in the kitchen with Jim and Andy.

Speaker 1 This is the one where Jim is drinking from Andy's mug. Andy wants coffee and he's annoyed because Jim is using the mug and he asked Jim to swap it out, but Jim refuses.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, I love it because Andy says, dude, that is my face. Like it's very clearly his mug.
Yes.

Speaker 1 And Jim like holds the coffee cup up and then andy makes the face on the mug yeah well listen we talked a lot about these mugs when we first broke down this episode but we didn't discuss this scene which i would like to do now because i want to know how do we feel about this also we got a fan letter from vanessa g who said not a question but more of a comment jim has no sense of personal boundaries He drinks out of Andy's cup, which he later does with Daryl's mug and doesn't find it wrong.

Speaker 1 Remember when they're at athlete and he's drinking out of Daryl's stuff? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 When I re-watched this episode, I was also struck by this. So here are my questions for us.
Number one, is Andy being unreasonable asking Jim to switch mugs? Number two, is Jim being a dick?

Speaker 1 Number three, Are you possessive about your coffee mug? And number four, how would you feel if you saw someone drinking from your mug? Begin.

Speaker 1 I have strong feelings right out of the gate. Okay.

Speaker 1 Andy is not being unreasonable. That's his mug with his face on it.
And he probably drinks out of it every day. Yes, Jim is a dick.
Yes, I'm possessive about my coffee mug.

Speaker 1 And I would not like someone drinking out of my hummingbird coffee mug.

Speaker 1 I feel the same.

Speaker 1 I feel 100% the same. Like, how much effort is it for Jim to just transfer his coffee into another mug and give Andy his mug back and say, oh my God, I'm so sorry.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And look, at home, you know, whatever. I have a bunch of different mugs.
Josh might drink out of one of my mugs. I don't care.
You know, there are mugs in our kitchen, right? Right. Exactly.

Speaker 1 At work, you're working with people who aren't your family.

Speaker 1 They're your coworkers and you might have brought in your mug from home or maybe it's a mug you got at work, but it's your mug and everyone knows it's your mug. Exactly.
I would not.

Speaker 1 be happy if I came into work one day and one of y'all was drinking out of my pockets mug. I know.
I'd say what's what's going on?

Speaker 1 I would never do that. Why are you? And I would not drink out of your hummingbird mug.
I know. I wouldn't do it.

Speaker 1 Boundaries, people. Boundaries.
Well, we also got a letter about these coffee mugs from Roz F, who wrote in to say, there did not appear to be a mug with Michael's face.

Speaker 1 Was he left off Kelly's guest list? You would think he would be upset about not being invited to her party, or was that addressed somewhere in the deleted scenes?

Speaker 1 I thought of this as well when when I was re-watching it. Yeah, you feel like for sure you would have seen Michael's face on one of those mugs.

Speaker 1 I went to the shooting draft and Roz, here's all that it said. I'm going to share with you.
In the stage direction, it says Jim stops when he sees something on Stanley's desk.

Speaker 1 The camera zooms in on a mug of pencils with Stanley's snapshot printed on it. Jim turns to the other desk.
The camera whips around and discovers other photo mugs. Kevin has one full of M ⁇ Ms.

Speaker 1 Angela has one full of paperclips next to a similar mug with a picture of her cat. We pan back to Jim as he heads into the kitchen.
Jim opens a cabinet.

Speaker 1 Inside, amongst the random coffee cups, Jim finds photo mugs of Oscar, Phyllis, and Creed.

Speaker 1 So no mention of Michael. No mention of Michael.
So at the end,

Speaker 1 when Michael is in that scene with Kelly. Right.
I'm surprised he didn't say, why wasn't I invited to that party? See, now I am willing to suspend belief and believe that he was.

Speaker 1 And his mug is like in his office, and we just don't see it. Right.
Because I don't think he could be nice to Kelly at the end if he was also like, oh, if she had not invited him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he would be so wounded. He'd see all those coffee mugs around the office.
He would have known.

Speaker 1 In the way that Jim and Dwight didn't even realize that Kelly had made a gift for her party, that a little take-home gift, Michael would have noticed it right away. No, you're right.
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 1 So now you guys, Dwight thinks he's being sabotaged and he says, these can't be my scores, Jim, for your information. I'm being sabotaged and I'm going to find that person and punish them.

Speaker 1 And now he's on the case. He's going to mom detective this.
He really is. Do you think we could have solved this as mom detective? Me and you? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't think I would have picked up on Kelly on the phone, you know, when Dwight's like, I hear something. I don't think I would have heard anything.
But she wasn't on the phone. He just

Speaker 1 was? She was listening in. How did I miss that? Yes.

Speaker 1 No. He just storms back to her desk, but she wasn't really listening in, was she? Yes.
She quickly hangs up the phone when he comes into her nook. I totally missed that.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's talking to the guy and he literally tells a person he's trying to make a sale to, shut up. Shut up.
Do you hear that? I know. And I thought the guy was like, what? No, I just need to.

Speaker 1 And then Dwight immediately runs back to customer service because I think part of their job, like quality assurance, is they listen in on calls.

Speaker 1 There had to have been bloopers for that scene where Rain storms back because there's absolutely no way that Mindy Kaling, even like the first time he stormed back there, I don't believe she got a single word out of her mouth.

Speaker 1 No, there's definitely not. I mean, that would be really hard for her.
There's definitely bloopers. And also, John was really messing with Rain.

Speaker 1 Remember, he kept pulling his arm back and they were like kind of fighting. Oh, yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Listen, lady, should we take a break? And then when we come back, we can dive into a little bit of this Jim Pam storyline with the Bluetooths. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 And all the different things they hear from each other's day. And then he mutes some stuff so she doesn't hear.
I know. Shady.
That's some shady fiancé material right there.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Jim's doing some shady stuff in this episode with Andy's mug and with the Bluetooth.
The muting.

Speaker 1 Shady Jim. Shady Jim.
All right. We'll be be back.

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Speaker 1 All right, we're back. And like we said before, this is the episode where Jim and Pam are on the phone with one another the whole time.

Speaker 1 And so throughout this episode, we cut between Jim at work at Dunder Mifflin and Pam at work at the corporate offices of Dunder Mifflin.

Speaker 1 And I want to start out by discussing a little of Pam's wardrobe. Okay.

Speaker 1 So there's a whole story here. And as I re-watched this, I was like, oh, yeah, I see what happened.
This wardrobe, we received a note from NBC executives about this episode. And I'll explain why.

Speaker 1 You might notice I'm wearing a very chunky scarf with a blazer. Okay.

Speaker 1 And I remember when we were designing Pam's New York corporate look, We wanted it to be different from what she might wear in Scranton, but we also wanted there to be some element of her artistic art school vibe so the idea we came up with was this idea of wearing scarves and blazers so wait let me get this straight new york pam is scarfy yes okay she wears a scarf with a blazer okay she's scarfy blazer scarfy blazer So when this episode went to the network, they came back with a note.

Speaker 1 They said they felt like there was just way much fabric up around my face. It's just, it was a real kind of chunky scarf.
And

Speaker 1 unfortunately, I had also worn something very similar in employee transfer.

Speaker 1 That's when I meet Jim's brothers for the first time, and I'm wearing this scarf and blazer, but that scarf was not as bulky.

Speaker 1 I also had the same look in business trip, which we had already shot when we got this note about NBC hating the bulky scarves.

Speaker 1 So, anyway, if you watch season five, you're going to see that there's this scarf blazer trend.

Speaker 1 There's a couple of real bulky scarves, but then as soon as Pam gets back to Dunder Mifflin and frame Toby,

Speaker 1 they it's like no more weird scarf business. It's like, in fact, it's like a cute little top with like short sleeve.

Speaker 1 Like, there's way more skin because they were like, there's all I see is fabric and her face. We need to end this.
I am so curious about who this really bumped at NBC. Like, who fired off that email?

Speaker 1 Who was like, what the hell is happening to Pam in New York with the scarf? Lose the scarf. And then they probably stayed on top of it.
They were like, I'm seeing another scarf.

Speaker 1 Hello, scarf number three, scarf number four. I know.
And then they were like, I'm sorry, we already shot the episodes. Do you want us to reshoot these scenes without a scarf?

Speaker 1 And they were like, no, we can't afford that. But for all future future episodes, I don't want to see another one of these scarves.

Speaker 1 I love the idea of someone being really pissed off at NBC about the scarves. They really would micromanage my Pam wardrobe sometimes.

Speaker 1 I mean, I told you early on, they tried to put me in a pair of pants and they said, no, she needs to be in a skirt. Well, that was an overall note for the ladies,

Speaker 1 very 1950s of them, because I wanted to wear pants one time and I also was told they wanted us in skirts.

Speaker 1 But you eventually did get to wear a lot of pants i remember in several pants no no nope not a lot once or twice here or there maybe for cold open where we show a jump in time and then we jump back but no very rarely the only time i was allowed to wear pants is if i was wearing jeans and it was like some episode like where we go to jim's house for the barbecue or something Yeah, or like Andy's play, I got to wear jeans.

Speaker 1 That was very exciting. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, listen, this is also the episode where Jim reveals that he needs his annual bonus so that he can buy his parents home because they want to retire.
He has not told this to Pam.

Speaker 1 So this is why he's so nervous about these customer surveys because they might affect his bonus. And that's why he has to mute.
He has to mute so Pam doesn't overhear everything.

Speaker 1 Exactly. But definitely Pam is the villain in this relationship.
So we want to make sure

Speaker 1 we remind everybody that

Speaker 1 Pam is an awful person and Jim is wonderful. Don't come for Pam, people.

Speaker 1 Now we have this famous, hilarious, amazing butt liquor scene. I could watch this scene every day of my life.
I'm not kidding. I love it that much.
It's so damn funny.

Speaker 1 And just so y'all know, it is exactly the same in the broadcast version and the superfan version. It's perfection.
They included everything. It's so good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they did not mess with it, thankfully, because it is brilliant. I did have a fun catch that I didn't personally clock the first time.

Speaker 1 You guys might have all clocked this, but I don't know why this whole episode to me, I was really, I was really paying attention to the mangle phrase count. And Jim has his own mangled phrase.

Speaker 1 It's in this scene, and I want you to hear it.

Speaker 4 Here's what's going to happen: I am going to have to fix you, manage you to on a more personal scale,

Speaker 6 a more micro form of management.

Speaker 3 Jim, what is that called? Micrograment.

Speaker 5 Boom. Yes.

Speaker 1 Microgriment.

Speaker 1 But listen, I don't think that's a Jim mangled phrase. I think that's Jim speaking Michael.
Well, yes, yes.

Speaker 1 I should have framed that better. Yes, that is Jim having a little fun with Michael, knowing that Michael will think that's an actual word.
Yes.

Speaker 1 And maybe getting back at him for smudgeness.

Speaker 1 But it did crack me up. And I do have one more other runner I need to talk about, lady.
Okay. So finally, we all find out that Dwight was right about him and Jim being sabotaged by Kelly.

Speaker 1 And in re-watching the Superfan version, there is this runner at the end where Jim says, you know, on the Bluetooth to Pam, turns out Dwight was right.

Speaker 1 And then Pam says, I wonder what else Dwight was right about. And then there are a series of Dwight talking heads where he is supposedly right about things.

Speaker 1 It cuts all around the office, out in the parking lot, different days. It's like the documentary crew has compiled these moments over time, and now they're airing them all as a little runner.

Speaker 1 I thought it was so funny. So funny.
I looked in our candy bag alts for this runner. Lady, the character of Dwight had 32 Talking Head alts.
Wow. 32.
Wow.

Speaker 1 I want to play what made it into the super fan, and then I'll read a few that didn't make it in. Ready? Okay, great.
Here's this runner.

Speaker 5 It is a fact that major pharmaceuticals do not want you to know that beet juice has medicinal value both as an aphrodisiac and a laxative.

Speaker 2 Every article by Christopher J. Kelly of the Scranton Times Tribune contains five to seven swear words hidden amongst the letters of other words.

Speaker 2 The Scranton Zoning Board has a strong bias against beet farmers. The mayor is in the pocket of Big Lettuce.
Battlestar Galactica isn't a documentary exactly.

Speaker 2 The book All the President's Men is about a conspiracy, just not the one people think. Jesus had a daughter, and she was the Mona Lisa.

Speaker 2 According to my sources, Scranton Mayor Chris Doherty checked out patio gardening over nine weeks ago from the Scranton Public Library. No fines, no fees, no nothing.

Speaker 2 Guess who appointed the head librarian? What we have come to know as fake crab meat is, in fact, real crab meat, and real crab meat is lobster.

Speaker 1 So much. So much, but there were so many more.
Here are a few. Dwight would have also said, bananas are upside down.
Okay.

Speaker 1 If ants and wasps ever figure out their differences it's curtains for the human race i actually think that's true

Speaker 1 toilet paper one ply or two ply how about no ply what the bathroom tissue syndicate doesn't want you to know is that if you eat properly you don't need their product at all okay i'm going to tell you something that's kind of true What are you talking about?

Speaker 1 If you eat healthy and you poop, there's nothing, no residue on your butt? I think so.

Speaker 1 i think it's just you have a clean what would you call that a clean drop a clean drop every time you have to have very specific diet i don't know what about pea come on yeah ladies still need the toilet paper for pea but you know um i'm a big believer in the bidet you know i moved a wall in my house to make room for a bidet yeah when when we renovated our home after we bought it

Speaker 1 i moved a whole wall so that I could put a bidet in my bathroom.

Speaker 1 I love my bidet.

Speaker 1 When we lived in London, we had a bidet.

Speaker 1 And when we came home from London, I was like, I can't live without that thing. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, when we went to Singapore,

Speaker 1 Josh was like, whatever that toilet is, we're getting when we get home. Because

Speaker 1 it does everything. It has a remote control.
That's the thing. Now you can get like bidet toilets, but I'm talking, this was like 15 years ago.
And

Speaker 1 like the bidet that I knew of was the one that had to like sit next to your toilet as like its whole own separate

Speaker 1 thing.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 here's what got me into the bidet.

Speaker 1 Someone gave me this analogy. They were like, if you got poop on your hand, would you just wipe it off with some toilet paper and go about your day?

Speaker 1 You wouldn't. Right.
You'd wash your hand. Yeah.
So, don't you want to wash your tush? Yeah. And I thought, yeah, I do.
I really do.

Speaker 1 By the way, this is coming from the person who doesn't always wash her hands after she pees at home, but I do wash my tush.

Speaker 1 Well, growing up, my friend in Indonesia, her, her parents' bedroom had the bidet that sits next to the toilet, like what you're talking about. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 This is like the 70s, you know, late 70s, early 80s. And we made it into a Barbie fountain pool.
Yes, it also can double as a Barbie swimming pool.

Speaker 1 All right. Where were we? Yeah, where are we? Oh, I want to talk about the Pam Alex Art School storyline because I have a very fun new tidbit that you know, Angela.

Speaker 1 When we originally broke down this episode, we interviewed Stephen Merchant and we discussed this scene where Alex pulls Pam aside and he tells her, I think you should stay in New York.

Speaker 1 If you're serious about being an artist, you have to stay in New York. Oh, yeah.
You know, Jim is in her ear. He can hear all about it.

Speaker 1 We also talked about this scene with Rich Summer when he was on the podcast. You might remember, it was, yes, Angela? Yeah, I raised my hand.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Just because I want to point out when Pam talks to Alex and he's, you know, tiptoeing into the flirty land, right? She doesn't mute. She got nothing to hide.
Well, lady, thank you for that.

Speaker 1 That's right. Yeah.
Pam,

Speaker 1 the awful, horrible person who never supports her husband or believes in him, didn't mute herself. Just something I'd like to get on record.

Speaker 1 Jenna will never forget the snarky people who wrote about Pam being like an a-hole.

Speaker 1 She's like, I will see you forever.

Speaker 1 I'm going to talk shit about you as long as I can.

Speaker 1 You're protecting Pam and her legacy, and I think it's wonderful. Thank you.
Well, you guys, you might remember that this was a really difficult scene to film for many reasons.

Speaker 1 First of all, because it was a spy shot into this glass conference room, and yet Rich and I, we had to be able to hear Jim delivering his Bluetooth lines. so that we got the timing right on our end.

Speaker 1 And the only way to do that was to have John hide under the conference room table the whole time. That is so bizarre to me that John Krasinski was under the table while you and Rich did your scene.

Speaker 1 That is so funny. So that's number one.
And then number two,

Speaker 1 this whole time that Rich was on the show, there was all this back and forth over whether or not Alex was going to make a play for Pam. And

Speaker 1 it was like we often shot different versions of scenes because they would kind of decide in editing how flirty they wanted him to be.

Speaker 1 So you might remember that there was a different version of this conference room scene that was in the shooting draft. And it was very flirty.

Speaker 1 And Rich shared with us that he had memorized the original version. And so when he got to set that day and they handed him this less flirty alternate version, he was having such a hard time

Speaker 1 like. getting all that sort of like lovey-dovey flirty stuff out of his head.
He's to this day sort of haunted by this day of shooting.

Speaker 1 Whenever I talk to him, he's like, oh, if only I could go back. Well,

Speaker 1 here's what's crazy. Not even knowing that we were going to break this down out of the blue, Rich Summer texts me like two weeks ago.
And he's like, Jenna, look what I found.

Speaker 1 It's the original script for that conference room scene. It's the one that I memorized.

Speaker 1 Where Alex confesses his love to Pam.

Speaker 1 So I asked him if he would record it. And he did.
And Angela, you play Jim and I play Pam. I'm very sorry, everyone.
Just apologies in advance. My version of Jim is not going to be what you want.

Speaker 1 It's not true. I just tried to fill in so I could make this moment happen.
Lady, I thought you did great. Oh, well, you're my best friend.
All right. Well, anyway, here we go.

Speaker 1 Here is the lost Alex Pam Jim conference room scene.

Speaker 10 Hi, friends. I'm glad we're doing this because it feels a tiny bit like therapy to get to say the lines that I first read

Speaker 10 that

Speaker 10 got stuck so deep in my brain that I could never unsay the sort of intent of them, no matter how the lines changed. Does that make sense?

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 10 Here we go. Scene 5455

Speaker 10 as originally written.

Speaker 1 Hey, what are you doing here?

Speaker 10 Is there a place we could go talk?

Speaker 1 Who is that? Alex?

Speaker 11 Sure, Alex. Is everything okay?

Speaker 9 I think so.

Speaker 7 I don't know.

Speaker 1 Ooh, this is juicy. Angle the Bluetooth towards him as he speaks.
Hey, Barbara, I'll be right back. Can you watch my phone? Where are you right now? Don't go anywhere alone with him.

Speaker 1 Is this hallway okay?

Speaker 10 There's no right place to do this.

Speaker 1 Alex is into you. Okay.

Speaker 9 Uh

Speaker 10 Wow. The last thing I want to do is burden you with this.

Speaker 11 Alex, I.

Speaker 1 Let the man speak.

Speaker 10 Please, let me just get this out. I won't forgive myself if I don't say this.
And

Speaker 10 I know you've got a boyfriend.

Speaker 1 Fiancé. I am her fiancé, Alex.

Speaker 10 And a life planned with him in Scranton. And Jim's fine, but you deserve a man who challenges you, and I think we both know he's not that guy.

Speaker 1 Then who is the guy? Is he the guy?

Speaker 10 And I don't want to ruin our friendship, but I will risk it for the chance of the future we might have.

Speaker 10 It's you, Pam.

Speaker 10 It's always been you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, let's see him propose at a gas station.

Speaker 10 I see things that nobody else sees.

Speaker 10 The way you are so annoying in the morning.

Speaker 1 Yup.

Speaker 10 The way you bite your lip when you draw.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 You draw?

Speaker 10 I love the way you look at my art.

Speaker 10 I don't even know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 Please tell me he's raising a boombox over his head. Please!

Speaker 10 Look, just give me a chance. Please.

Speaker 10 Not for me, but for you.

Speaker 1 Yes! A million times, yes!

Speaker 11 Alex, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 I love Jim.

Speaker 10 I hope we can still be friends.

Speaker 1 Definitely. And thanks for saying all that.
I know that took a lot.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 11 You're such an ass.

Speaker 5 I know.

Speaker 1 No, not you.

Speaker 5 Whatever.

Speaker 1 And seen. Can you believe he said it's been you? It's always been you.

Speaker 1 I mean, I also couldn't believe that he said, I see things no one else sees. That's some balls right there.

Speaker 1 Like he's known you for a hot second, but he sees everything all all these other people in your life have never seen in Pam.

Speaker 1 I know. And then he's like, I hope we can still be friends.
I mean, buddy. Oh, my gosh.
So many times. You're not going to be friends after this.
You're not. No, no.

Speaker 1 And I really want to apologize.

Speaker 1 Oh, don't apologize. My gym was ridiculous.
Like, I mean, I think I recorded that like on the go, and that is hilarious to me.

Speaker 1 Well, I'm so glad we changed it to him suggesting that she not leave New York because I actually think that creates, there's no way that Pam is going to dump Jim and be with Alex.

Speaker 1 That just isn't realistic. But it is realistic to like plant this seed of doubt in whether or not she should be going back to Scranton.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's the only seed of doubt in this scene that makes sense to me is about her questioning sort of her aspirations in life and her career hopes or sort of dreams, right? She never questions Jim ever.

Speaker 1 Right. That's separate.
Yeah. Yeah.
But like, what is the tension that would be created in their relationship if Pam had to say, hey,

Speaker 1 I don't want to move back to Scranton. I don't want to break up with you, but like, do you see a future in New York? And I have to say, why didn't she? Like,

Speaker 1 they don't have kids yet. I guess Jim's not going to be for that because he's trying to secretly buy his parents' house.

Speaker 1 But, you know, why not transfer to Dunder Mifflin in New York and be with Pam and she gets to continue to pursue her artistic life? I think she didn't want it that bad. Yeah.
I don't.

Speaker 1 I mean, Pam is not a doormat, you know, especially, you know, as her relationship with Jim grows, she's able to like share with him that she really loves living in Scranton. Yeah.

Speaker 1 She really likes living there. She's She's happy there.
We also find out that I guess a big part of this program was graphic design and she doesn't like it.

Speaker 1 Right. That's not what she meant by being an artist.
And so

Speaker 1 I think she feels like, I don't need to keep pursuing this. Right.
You know? Yeah.

Speaker 1 So she had some self-discovery there. She found out something about herself.
She does.

Speaker 1 The other storyline in this episode is the whole Angela Andy kind of Dwight triangle moment because Andy's trying to find the perfect place for them to get married, but Angela doesn't really want to marry Andy, so she just keeps saying no to everything.

Speaker 1 And then finally, they settle on Shroot Farms, which is also kind of foreshadowing for Angela. She does eventually get married at Shroot Farms.
Yes.

Speaker 1 And when we discuss this episode with the How We Made Your Mother guys, we discuss how this scene also shows people getting married in their own graves, and that ends up being a callback.

Speaker 1 But lady, we got a letter from Kara T with another callback catch.

Speaker 1 Kara says, Angela hates the idea of getting married in a tent when Andy proposes this idea, but she and Dwight end up getting married outside in a tent in the finale.

Speaker 1 Was this choice intentional to further drive home the fact that she and Dwight are soulmates and her and Andy's relationship was never meant to last?

Speaker 1 That is a great catch, Kara. I don't think it was intentional, but I like it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I also loved in this storyline, just Andy talking about how he got the best tentist.

Speaker 1 Yes, of all the tentists, he got the best.

Speaker 1 Oh, poor Andy.

Speaker 1 Well, before we wrap up this super fan breakdown, I thought we should play a classic Michael redemption moment. I always love them in our episodes.

Speaker 1 It's that scene we talked about of when he's bonding with Kelly. and I thought it'd be a really nice way to end this episode.
Let's hear it.

Speaker 6 I have

Speaker 9 an enormous amount of trouble trying to get people to come to my place

Speaker 9 and I hate it.

Speaker 9 I can't tell you how much leftover guacamole I have ended up eating over the years.

Speaker 9 I don't even know why I'm making such great quantities.

Speaker 9 Here's what we're going to do. We are going to to sit here for a while make it look good

Speaker 9 and maybe you should cry can you make yourself cry rather i think you should do that

Speaker 1 amazing so sweet right yeah you know that second laugh is mindy's real laugh yes exactly it is and i loved hearing it in the episode.

Speaker 1 Well, everyone, that was our breakdown of the super fan of customer survey. A big thank you to Rich Summer for reading that long lost scene with us.
I really enjoyed revisiting this one. I did too.

Speaker 1 And you guys, we hope you have a great week. Thank you for listening and we'll see you next time.
Have a good one.

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