Who buys luggage at the airport luggage store?

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And that's how we know that the most pressing concern, the thing Americans most wonder about currently, has to do with our nation's airports.

We got not one, but three listener questions, all on the same topic.

Hi, search engine.

My name is Tiffany.

Hi, I'm John Morris.

And I'm Leah Siegel.

And I have a question I'm hoping you can help me answer.

What's the deal with airport shops?

Who the fuck buys luggage in airports?

Or are people buying luggage at the luggage store at the airport?

I just cannot buy that anyone goes to the airport, probably waits and pays to check a suitcase, clears security, and then decides to buy another suitcase right before getting on their flight.

Do they have a handful of clothing?

Who needs a whole new bag in the airport after we've gotten through security?

Perhaps it's like a babushka dock type thing where you buy a bigger luggage and then put your luggage in the inside.

But I don't know.

Who buys luggage in an airport?

To spell out the paradox here, Every passenger, in theory, goes to the airport with the amount of luggage they need.

The luggage store is only accessible to passengers.

I've never seen a fellow passenger with loose clothes spilling out of their arms.

And yet, the store is there.

It does not make sense.

Of course, nothing about an airport makes sense if you make the mistake of paying attention to it.

The airport is where we are required to suspend our curiosity about its myriad weird rituals and just follow the rules.

Bottled water is treated like a deadly weapon.

Our phones are put in a special airplane mode because otherwise the plane will explode or something.

We are told to respect the grand medical tradition of the emotional support golden doodle.

To survive on a plane is to turn yourself for half a day into an incurious person.

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It's okay to be smart sometimes, but it's also a relief to take a very silly question to a very smart person.

So this week, we have found a bona fide cultural historian of airports, and we have the entire story.

Not just who buys luggage at an airport, but why there's a luggage store, why there are stores at all, why there is security, why there's an airport.

How we ended up with this strange building we take for granted, a place that contains both modern life's most commonplace miracle, flight, available to anyone who can afford it, and its most migraine-inducing agonies.

Most great journeys begin at airports, but this one will never leave the airport.

And we promise to answer the question haunting so many Americans.

What kind of lunatic buys luggage at the airport luggage store?

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Okay, first things first, do you mind just introducing yourself?

My name's Aleister Gordon.

And we are talking to you because

we have a highly specific question about airports, which sort of for us, as sometimes happens, spiraled into larger questions about airports.

It started out with I was just wondering why people sell luggage at airports.

It then turned into like, why have we decided to have a sort of luxury mall prior to our experience of air travel and it just made me want to understand, like, how did we end up with the airport as we have it?

And so I was hoping you could tell me that story.

Like, where does it even begin?

I can write a whole book about it, actually.

Aleister Gordon, he's a writer, author of Naked Airport, a cultural history of the world's most revolutionary structure.

One day, he was a normal person who thought about airports a normal amount.

And then something happened that sent him on a 10-year odyssey researching and writing this tome.

I was writing for the New York Times for about 20 years, and then I was with the Wall Street Journal and traveling a lot, in airports a lot.

And I think it was in Singapore.

It was four in the morning, some connecting flight back to L.A.

or something was canceled.

And I just had one of those airport freakouts, complete meltdown.

I had to get to another plane, and I missed it, and it was four in the morning, and my bag went into some labyrinth of doom.

And I kind of went nuts and tried to go down the belt that brings the baggage up from the...

Well, you tried to go down the luggage conveyor belt?

Yeah, this is pre-9-11.

So they didn't shoot me.

Nowadays, you'd be dead before you got near it.

You know, I've been drinking 40 gallons of coffee and writing on a deadline and everything.

So at that moment, I thought, well, who the fuck made this?

How did this happen?

Alistair, having some kind of breakdown on the baggage conveyor belt, saw one thing clearly, a question.

How did the modern airport, with all its hellish contradictions, come to exist in the first place?

Writers never know what question will ambush them next, what topic will seize a decade of their thinking.

For Alistair, it would be the airport.

I'd gone to the New York Public Library and to the Air and Space Archives in Washington, just looking for sort of cultural background in airports.

There was a ton of technical stuff.

You know,

there virtually was nothing It was just taking the airport as a cultural phenomenon or an artifact, whatever you want to call it.

So, anyway, I started to just pull things together, did a bunch of articles, and then an editor I was working with said, you know, there's a famous book on railroad stations, but I've never seen anything on airports.

So that's kind of how it started.

Then, literally, 10 years later, it took me that long to gather material.

I interviewed hundreds of characters from around the world.

So, it was sort of an attempt to humanize a place that seemed so inhuman to me.

So today we are following Alistair on his journey down the conveyor belt.

We are going to understand the airport, really understand why it is that way.

Chapter 1, The Miracle of Flight.

So what is the beginning?

What's the beginning of the story?

That took a long time to figure out.

It was Lindbergh, Charles Lindbergh, flying into Paris.

The greatest dart of all begins on the misty morning of May 20th as a young airmail pilot hastens to be the first to fly non-stop from New York to Paris.

He hopes to capture a $25,000 prize for which the world's top aviators are competing.

His name is Charles A.

Lindberg.

Charles Lindbergh in 1927, he was still an unknown American airmail pilot.

He was competing for a cash bounty offered by a wealthy hotelier to anyone who could safely fly from New York to Paris.

Several other pilots had already died in the attempt.

Lindbergh was literally a barnstormer, right?

So he's this guy who's an incredibly youthful, athletic, handsome American taking off from Long Island where he barely got over the trees.

The little monoplane with neither radio nor safety equipment is heavily loaded with fuel.

In the newsreel clip, you see his tiny little single-engine plane.

A crowd of men in suits pushes it from a hangar across a field to ready it for takeoff.

The whole thing feels incredibly ill-advised.

Ahead, 3,600 miles to Paris, and all America vicariously shares every lonely mile.

And he comes in and when he's trying to land, it's at night and he couldn't believe that Bourger, Le Bourger, which was the first big urban airport in Paris, he couldn't believe that it was an airport because it looked too big.

He thought it was a factory.

He thought he was about to land at a factory or something.

And it was this huge, you know, incredibly well-designed airport.

There's a version of this story that's about Charles Lindbergh.

How, after this flight, he became a hero, then later, a figure of national sympathy when his baby boy was kidnapped and murdered, and still later, a symbol of national scorn for his suspected Nazi sympathies during World War II.

That's a version of the story, but we're here to talk about airports, not the people who flew between them.

When Lindbergh in 1927 reached Paris, he looked down and the airport he he saw, which he was so stunned by, we wouldn't recognize it as the modern airport we all dutifully file through today.

But it was a step towards it.

It more resembled our airports than it did the bare bones hangar Lindbergh had left behind in New York.

In terms of history of airport evolution, the Europeans were way ahead of Americans.

In Europe, there was this sort of tradition of beautiful urbanistic railroad stations, and they kind of adapted that for their first airports.

Most American airports were barns, you know, or hangars with nothing.

Maybe there was a little room put aside in one of the hangars for passengers to sit and wait.

But the Ford Airport in Dearborn, Michigan was the first that I could find, comprehensively designed American airport.

It had a terminal that was just for passengers.

So you weren't in danger of being, you know, chopped in half by propellers and stuff.

Was that happening?

Were people getting chopped in half by propellers?

Yeah, it was danger.

Also, you know, there were so many crashes.

I mean, it was pretty horrible.

You know, there's a good chance the plane was going to crash and you were dead.

So people were very, very

nervous about flying.

And what, sorry, just to just, I'm just curious, like, in that very early era where the fatality rate is incredibly high, like, who is willingly flying?

What are the circumstances which someone says, like, I really don't want to sit on a train?

I know that I'm sort of playing restaurant roulette.

Is it just adventurers like Lindbergh?

I mean, basically, the first commercial air travel in America was the mail service because you could make money from the government carrying airmail and passengers were almost like a second thought.

Most of them in the beginning were salesmen, you know, who could beat out the guy taking the train to Detroit by flying there, but at a risk, at a huge risk, right?

I don't think many people, if they didn't have to fly, they didn't.

Flying was still considered so dangerous that after Lindbergh's arrival in Paris, the U.S.

government strongly suggested that its newly minted national celebrity not risk a flight back.

Instead, the president sent a battleship to return him from France.

America's impatient for its hero's return.

President Coolidge has the Navy bring him home, and the nation's six million radios tune in on his arrival.

Ladies and gentlemen of the radio audience, this is Grail McNamara speaking from the Navy Yard, Washington, D.C.,

awaiting Lindbergh.

Lindbergh is coming down as a gangway.

A darn nice boy.

Unassoming, quiet, very serious, and awfully nice.

Unassuming, quiet, very serious, and awfully nice.

This is what America wanted from its influencers in the 1920s.

With his newfound platform, Lindbergh decides to go on a tour of the U.S.

to spread the gospel of aviation for all.

I want to express my appreciation of the reception I've had in America and the wealth.

At the Washington, D.C.

Press Club in 1927, he announces that Europe has much better airports than the ones we get here and describes his dream for how America could catch up.

Lindbergh offers a diagnosis as to why America's air travel sucks.

In Europe, airports had been funded by very generous national subsidies from strong central governments.

America didn't have a strong federal government yet, which meant here, you'd get the airport your town could afford.

Congress was mainly Republican at that point.

They didn't want anything to do with aviation.

They thought it was dangerous, thought it was stupid.

Wait, so sorry, the Republicans were not just saying, like, oh, the federal government shouldn't fund things, but they were like, people shouldn't be flying because the planes are going to crash.

Yeah.

They felt it was a crazy thing that would go away.

It was like a fad.

They really didn't believe it.

Yeah.

It's so funny that, like, flying would be like a new progressive idea.

I know.

I know.

Chapter 2: How the Airport Becomes a Modern wonder

Try to port yourself back to the early 1930s and just imagine how a lot of people would have viewed airports back then.

Not as skeptically as like crypto or AI, and yet a dangerous and expensive new technology, maybe not a good place to dump public money?

The idea of popular commercial air travel did not yet exist.

No one you knew was likely to have flown.

So if your mayor all of a sudden wanted to spend millions of dollars, millions of 1930s dollars, to take a bunch of centrally located municipal land and put runways there, it would not have been obvious why this was a great idea.

My favorite article about this from the New York Times in 1931 is called, Aviation Seeks a Solution of Airport Cost Problems.

The piece lays out how, even in these smaller cities that had built commercial airfields, it was very unclear how to make the money back.

In New Jersey, the Newark airport had cost $4.2 million.

The Times reported that it was making the city something like $75,000 a year.

These projects looked uncomfortably like follies.

Unless you could somehow convince the federal government to pony up, which no one could, the math was a little hard to justify.

Alistair told me the story of one of the first politicians to really make this all work, New York City Mayor Fiorello LaGuardia.

He was mad that New York City did not have its own proper airport.

He wanted the president to pay for one.

So he devised an elegant piece of political theater.

He needed to rebuild the North Beach Airport, which is where LaGuardia is now.

Most of that was from the federal government, but he, you know, pushed it through.

I mean, he was very good at that.

He was very bullheaded and just did it.

There's a famous story of him,

I think he bought a ticket on Pan Am to New York and it said New York City.

And of course, New York City's main airport then was Newark Airport.

Newark Airport's very old.

And it was in those kind of wetlands of New Jersey.

So they had a lot of room to spread out.

So he arrives in Newark, New Jersey, with a ticket that said New York City.

And he said, look, I'm the mayor of New York City.

This is not New York City.

Everybody knew it was obviously a publicity stunt.

So they flew him to Floyd Bennett Field, which was at the time New York City's main airport.

And it was a disaster.

I mean, Newark was the main airport, but in terms of New York City in New York State, the main airport was Floyd Bennett Field.

It's still there.

You can go out and see the, you know, the hangars and everything.

It's really cool.

But not only was that way out of the way, but it was just, they couldn't expand it enough to be a modern airport.

So, yeah, so then he said, my ticket says New York City.

So they flew him to Floyd Bennett Field, where someone picked him up and drove him to the mayor's mansion.

I kind of miss the days when like New York City mayors were

productively eccentric instead of unproductively eccentric.

Exactly.

Yeah.

Yeah, I think he might have been the last in some ways to have that kind of clout.

And that's how LaGuardia Airport came about, which now seems like, I don't know if you fly in there ever.

I do.

It's not a wonder of the world.

No, no, no.

But it was.

And even the Nazi regime, who were obsessed with airports and aviation, they came and studied it because it was, at the time, it was the biggest airport in the world.

The Nazis in New York City walking around LaGuardia Airport, marveling at everything American democracy was capable of.

The airport inspired wonder in all sorts of people, not just Nazis.

At New York's North Beach Airport, Mayor Fiorella LaGuardia signs contracts with three transcontinental airlines which are to operate passenger service from the field.

Crowds on hand for the ceremonies get a preview of what is to be one of the world's finest air terminals.

One of the world's finest air terminals.

Today we only talk about which airport is the worst.

This is before that changed.

When a new airport was something exciting enough to bust out the parade horns and a mid-Atlantic broadcaster accent.

$28 million will be spent on the airport, which is the largest single undertaking of the WPA.

It's only 25 minutes by automobile from Midtown, New York.

And by May 1st, the city's great air terminal should be ready for traffic from Europe and the West Coast.

LaGuardia Airport could handle so many, I can't remember exactly, but you know, 30 planes at a time.

No one else could do that.

And it was because of this.

The central terminal terminal was pretty conventional.

I mean, it could have been a railroad station.

But a bunch of unknown engineers, I was never able to find out who actually did it.

They created this thing called the Skywalk Boarding Pier.

The Skywalk Boarding Pier.

If you picture the very first airport design as a barn, the second design as more like a train station, the boarding pier is the beginning of the third design, where airports have spokes that stick out of them for people to board more planes more easily.

LaGuardia is where this concept is invented.

At LaGuardia, the Skywalk boarding pier jutted out in an arc, and it contained two separate levels, one for the passengers, another for an audience of spectators.

It cost a dime to come watch the planes take off and land.

In two years, the airport made a quarter million dollars off these dimes.

Very few people go to the airport anymore to watch planes come in.

I mean, they're nerds who are skywatchers or whatever they call them.

But most people go, you know, now just to meet people or travel themselves.

But then it was a big deal.

So they were trying to separate the gawkers from the actual passengers.

And then passengers use the lower levels.

So it was the first, in a way,

in a really thought-out, engineered master plan for what an airport could be, how it could function more efficiently.

Somehow the airport has transformed from a barn in a field to this 1930s architectural modern marvel.

A place so miraculous, you had to build a spot for the spectators who would come to admire it.

Later, FDR would usher in his new deal, airports across the nation would get federal funding, and a golden age would commence.

And then, later still, the airport will become a nightmare dark enough to cause a seemingly quite sane man to hurl himself down its conveyor belt.

That story, plus, we will find out what kind of person buys luggage at an airport.

We haven't forgotten the question.

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Welcome back to the show and to chapter three, the golden age.

Air travel is about to transform.

From something only the wealthy enjoy to an affordable luxury for middle-class Americans.

A delightful adventure many more people will get to experience.

Air travel will get safer and more affordable, but not yet crappy.

A lot of this is about to happen because of World War II.

War production had made planes more reliable.

The war had given more American men experience flying and being flown.

And now, after the war, there was general American prosperity.

Post-war period, there was this huge, huge boom in air travel because all these GIs who had flown to Europe, you know, they were used to sitting in a air transport.

That wasn't a big deal.

So suddenly after the war, there was this massive boom in air travel.

And at that point, they realized, you know, it was more than just a self-contained building.

You needed these things.

They called them skywalks, you know, these things extending out.

Originally, they called them boarding docks or boarding piers.

And again, as the skywalk at LaGuardia, it was a way to get multiple planes near the terminal all at the same time.

So I just want to make sure I'm picturing it correctly.

It's like we start with a barn, we move to a dedicated building that has space for people to watch, but it's sort of just like one terminal.

Yeah.

It's like a railroad station.

Just think of it that way.

Yeah.

So then we have the railroad station.

Then we get to, okay,

we're going to need sort of multiple skywalks.

Like you're moving around the airport after World War II in a way that a little bit more resembles the way we move around an airport now.

Right.

So post-World War II.

More people are comfortable with flying.

Like, but who is actually getting on these flights?

And what are they flying for?

Like, do you fly for a vacation?

Yeah, this had a lot to do with that 1950s expansion of tourism.

More Americans could afford to fly to the Bahamas, you know, or fly to Jamaica or fly to South America.

This world of air travel, now at everybody's doorstep, has been created in 50 years or less.

A world of flashing propellers, shimmering jet streams, gleaming shapes.

A world so exciting.

That it's sometimes hard to get it in focus.

This is a 1956 film from Shell, the oil and gas company, essentially an ad for air travel itself.

Presumably, Shell had noticed that airplanes use a lot of fuel and that more people flying would be good for a fuel company.

In the ad, you see all sorts of people boarding planes.

People from different social classes, from different countries.

Juan Perez of Caracas, Venezuela, with some routine things to see to in Maturin.

Briefcase bulging, and a lot to do en route.

Minoru Yamata, aged 18, from Tokyo to California, USA.

His first venture into the big world alone.

And from Burlington, Vermont, Dorothy Gerstein and Irene Cooper, school teachers, with three weeks to see the Middle East and bring it home.

This democratic vision, the promise wasn't yet true.

Coach fares had been recently introduced.

Prices were coming down.

But the reality was that the average flyer was a white businessman, flying on the company expense account.

But things really were changing.

1955 is the first year where more Americans travel on planes than on trains.

Two years later, planes supplant ocean liners as the most popular way to cross the Atlantic Ocean.

30 years after Lindbergh's flight, his act of heroism is just how many people go on vacation.

And to them, what's the next big evolution in the airport?

Like you have the post-war boom, what happens next?

Well, becoming the jet.

Leave France after breakfast?

Arrive in America before dawn?

Not yet, perhaps.

But the aircraft of the next few years will take a long step forward.

Some are in production.

Others in the air right now.

From America, the Boeing 707.

From Britain.

So a lot of the promotional for new jet air travel was, you know, have breakfast in New York, you know, at the Plaza, and have dinner at the Savoy in London, you know, that same day.

You know, you can get up in the morning, go to LaGuardia Airport, and you can be in the Bahamas or Jamaica or wherever.

Instead of a ship slowly poking through the Caribbean or, you know, the Mediterranean or whatever you had these instant kind of arrivals, it changed everything.

It changed the way hotels were run.

It changed the way inner city transportation was maintained and it affected almost everything.

This is the truth about transportation.

It doesn't just connect the world.

It reshapes it.

The car creates the suburb.

The driverless car one day will reshape the city.

Airports reshape America.

And also, the jet actually reshapes the airport.

The arrival of these enormous crowds at these airports serving them becomes the reason the airport begins to transform into a shopping mall with planes attached to it.

I mean, there was a huge spread in Life magazine about Friendship Airport, Baltimore, when it opened in the 50s.

And they made a big deal about that there was a shoe shine shop.

In fact, there was a shoe repair shop and there was beauty salons.

There was a beauty salon and there was a bookstore and several restaurants and bar and everything.

When people go to the airport in that era, what is the experience they're having?

Like in the 1960s, say, if I like walked into a dinner party and people are like, how are you?

And I was like, oh, I had to fly today.

Would that be confusing to people or would they understand it?

I think it depends on the economic bracket you're talking about and what city you're talking about.

I think for New Yorkers, they were very at home flying.

The whole term jet-setting came in in the 60s, right?

I mean, that was about people who had money who would fly to Paris or London or New York or wherever, and it wasn't a big deal.

And they were jet-setters because it was just part of their life.

But it still was romantic and sexy.

And I remember we always dressed up.

I mean, you know, I would wear, at the age of 10, I'd have a blazer and a tie and nice shoes.

You didn't go to the airport wearing a sweatshirt and sneakers.

When I was 16, my older cousin, who was English, was staying with us in the summer.

And my father took us to first the World's Fair, you know, 1964 World's Fair in New York in Flushing Meadow.

And then he took us to TWA Terminal at Kennedy because my cousin was flying back to London.

And that's when it seemed just like a miracle.

And all the stewardesses were beautiful.

The pilots were handsome.

And the carpeting was fresh, bright red carpeting.

And this incredible space age shape that had been created by Saarinen you know to look like a bird in flight was just so sexy and so romantic.

Newest things in air travel begin right here.

TWA's Trans World Flight Center at New York International Airport.

Telescoping ramps bring your flight gate to your jet.

Everywhere, the look, the soaring spirit of flight itself.

So many new conveniences, luxurious lounges, shops, and restaurants.

Beautifully efficient, too, with time-saving innovations like jet check-in

and unique carousel baggage handling.

This moment, the early 1960s, this is what Alistair calls the golden age.

Flying is available to a lot of people.

It's relatively affordable, but it still feels like a miraculous luxury.

This beautiful moment, like many,

very, very brief.

Chapter 4.

A Nightmare You Soothe by Shopping.

Two and a half years later, when I was 18 and going to study in Paris myself, I traveled from TWA, and it was already kind of falling apart, and it wasn't so cool anymore.

And you could tell the difference in deterioration.

Yeah.

Well, I mean.

I remember the impression.

I was so excited to be flying from there, but as soon as I got there, you know, the carpet was sort of turning turning up at the edges.

It just wasn't, you know, that might have all been in my mind, I know, but no, I think that's how rapidly it happens.

By that point, airports were getting really badly crowded.

Once the 747 came in, it really changed the whole formula.

Airports couldn't keep up.

The 747, a much larger commercial plane, capable of carrying more people, but that also meant overcrowded airports.

Airplane design, it turns out, can advance faster than airport design.

And an airport can only grow so big.

There are other buildings around it.

The problem would also later be exacerbated by the Airline Deregulation Act of 1978.

The government stopped regulating fares, as well as the number of airlines that could be in the market.

Prices came down.

More people got to fly.

But at the same time, airports began to be stretched beyond a comfortable capacity.

The final step in building the modern airport, this site of miracles that we dread having to visit, that step is about the increased need for security.

A need that actually starts earlier than the moment you're currently thinking of.

A nine-hour ordeal of terror in El Paso as a Continental Airlines jet is hijacked by a father and his son.

Government agents machine gunned the plane's tires to prevent it taking off after it landed for fuel at El Paso after being seized over Phoenix.

When the attention of the hijackers was diverted, the two hostesses were the fascinating moment is 60s, early 70s, you have a really pretty intense series of hijackings, you know, mainly Cuban exiles who were hijacking planes to go back to Cuba.

Also, you know, that famous bombing in Jordan where terrorists blew up three airplanes on the runway at the same time.

It was kind of extraordinary.

Good evening.

Arab guerrillas today blew up three hijacked airliners in the Jordanian desert north of Oman.

Three jets worth $25 million.

Metal detectors appear at airports for the first time in 1970.

Airports start x-raying carry-on luggage a couple years after.

Alistair says the 1970s really marked the beginning of airports as tense, high-security locations.

President Nixon has announced several steps designed to counter hijacking, and the most dramatic was his announcement that armed government guards are going to be assigned to many U.S.

overseas and some domestic airline flights.

More on that story.

Of course, it's three decades after Nixon that the airport experience is completely transformed by 9-11.

There's a version of this story that's about the the tragedy of that day, how airplanes, a symbol of freedom, became something people had nightmares about.

About what it felt like to fly in the years after, or to live in a country in the grip of terror and rage.

But again, we're here to talk about airports.

And 9-11 was the single biggest reason we end up with what we recognize as the modern airport.

Today we take permanent and aggressive steps to improve the security of our airways.

The events of September the 11th were a call to action

and the Congress has now responded.

Just nine weeks after 9-11, on November 19th, 2001, President Bush announces the creation of the TSA.

Before that, airports had hired private companies to handle security.

Now, the federal government stepped in.

For the first time, airport security will become a direct federal responsibility.

Overseen by a new Under Secretary of Transportation for Security.

Additional funds will be provided for federal air marshals.

And a new team of federal security managers, supervisors, law enforcement officers, and screeners will ensure all passengers and carry-on bags are inspected thoroughly

and effectively.

In the years immediately after, the TSA adds new regulations, often in response to FOILed terror attempts.

You take your shoes off because in December 2001, Richard Reed tried to blow up a plane with a shoe bomb.

You have to dump out your water bottle because in 2006, plotters associated with al-Qaeda tried to blow up planes with explosives hidden in soda bottles.

These violent attempts thwarted then memorialized in the small rituals of humiliation the TSA asked from us in exchange for flight.

And today, once we pass through the TSA's border, we enter this vacuum-sealed place, the modern concourse, where we're invited to shake it all off at the duty-free.

So to your first question about, you know, why do you buy a suitcase in an airport?

Suddenly you had this incredible group of people who had ready cash or at least sparkling credit cards, and you've got them trapped for three hours, you know, I mean, like the ideal capital situation, right?

Again, with just simple shops from kind of newsstands and snack bars, And now it's huge luxury items, you know.

So is part of the answer to why do you buy a suitcase at the airport?

Not the entire answer, but part of the answer is 9-11.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Really?

Yeah.

Because the more security you have, the longer people have to wait in the airport and the more they're stuck in between the gate and their flight.

Yeah.

I mean, do you ever go through security and then go back out through security to have a smoke or something?

No.

Once you're through that nightmare, do you really want to go through it again?

So, you know, whereas 9-11, it wasn't that big a deal.

So, yeah, you really have them stuck there.

And of course, that concourse, what the engineers call the sterile concourse, you know, you've been stripped of any possible dangerous weapon, but you also can't leave.

So you're the ideal target for marketing.

Interesting.

You're a captive audience.

You're a completely captive audience.

Yeah.

It's no great secret.

You know, and that new airport that opened in Dubai or the new terminal, it's only got like, you know, the highest level of luxury goods for sale in this place.

And people apparently now go there who want to get Le Boutin shoes and they don't want to go all the way to Paris.

They go to the airport to buy their shoes.

It's funny because it's such a return.

It's like,

imagining anybody going to the airport not to fly is

really strange my powers of imagination, but it's like to buy expensive shoes or, you know, about a century ago to watch the planes take off are the two reasons.

I think the people who go to the shop, they don't just go in and buy a shoe and then leave.

I think they're going somewhere, but they don't wait to go to Paris.

They get it there because it's just accessible.

I mean, I do it too.

We're all kind of sluts for, you know, commercial.

Shopping is a kind of an addictive habit.

And it's...

I always look, you know, occasionally buy a piece of clothing at a good airport, but there's a moment of, I think there's this sort of intoxication, you know, when you go into a place and it gets your mind out of the realities of what's happening around you.

Yeah, it's funny.

Airports feel to me always

tense.

Like I always have this feeling of like, if I say the wrong thing, if I do the wrong thing, if I make the wrong joke, my life could very rapidly change.

You feel like you're in a police station.

Oh, totally.

Yeah.

And it could change so quickly.

I mean, if I'd done that thing I did in Singapore whenever it was, you know, pre-9-11, if you did that now, you would be a terrorist.

I mean, I've seen even people at those security checkpoints, you you know, just someone who's haggard and tired and angry and hasn't had a meal, you know, or whatever, and they say something rude to the security guy and they're practically arrested on the spot.

The other reaction that I find fascinating, and I've been tracking this a little bit, is airport designers attempt to address that high level of angst, right?

You know, San Francisco built in one of their terminals, they have a yoga and a meditation center, which I've used.

Right.

Actually, it's wonderful.

Yeah, you just go in and do a lotus position, you know, an hour before your flight.

It's very nice.

You go through the horrors of security and then you go.

They also have a beautiful bamboo grove.

I mean, that's that to me is almost more important than any of the economic stuff.

The idea of addressing just the horrors of the anxiety of travel, getting them out of that headset of like you're just cattle being prodded through a horrible cattle gate.

You might remember that in the very first chapter of Search Engine, this book we write for you each week, we met a person who had an unusual solution to the cattle-like feeling airports can provoke.

His ritual was to focus his anxiety on airline water quality.

He brought two separate Yeti water bottles to ensure that he could at least drink the liquids he wanted while he was being manhandled by the TSA and then crammed into a tube in the sky.

Each week we try to find an answer to a question.

Often we get an answer.

Sometimes we get led somewhere else.

Alistair had really helped me understand how we got the modern airport and its many contradictions.

But I did still want to know who was walking into these places and buying luggage.

Epilogue.

With this luggage thing, like, do you have a sense of like who actually is buying luggage in airports?

Do you want me to be an expert in who's buying baggage at a fucking airport?

Who do you think I am?

Jesus Christ.

Oh, let me just call up my friend in the luggage department.

I have no idea.

I think I do know one thing.

Occasionally I go to this, you know this Woodbury Commons.

It's upstate.

It's this incredible discount.

mall, but it's super luxury goods.

I mean, you go there and the line outside Gucci shop is like about a mile long because you have these Japanese, Germans, Italians.

I see all of them are there.

Families from China.

And they get there.

And this is true.

This is not an airport, but they buy huge wheelies you know not the wheelie that you and I use when we go on a weekend job interview or something these giant things and they fill them with all this luxury goods because it's half the price of what they'd pay in Tokyo or Paris or whatever oh so your theory is like perhaps what's happening at like the to me store at LaGuardia is that people are buying expensive luxury goods that are cheaper here to take home.

And that's why you would do it.

You would do it maybe even on a connection.

Yeah, I'm not saying that's the only reason no i mean i think some of it must be that but some of it's also when you're traveling you know it's not a bad time to push the sale of a suitcase you know to someone who's traveling i mean i've bought a few suitcases at airports you have yeah i mean i bought you i bought a new one at istanbul airport because it was really nice istanbul has an amazing airport I bought myself a new suitcase there because it was the best thing I'd ever seen.

My wife or someone had taken the bag I usually took on long trips and I needed a new one.

And I was sitting there for three hours and I went, Well, I'll just buy this now.

It seems kind of overpriced, but it's really nice.

I don't know.

You know, I'm just this again, anecdotal.

I have no idea.

Don't quote me on any of this.

I'm quoting you on all of this.

What did you have?

What do you, because you already have a suitcase on you?

Do you transfer the stuff out of your old suitcase into the newcomer?

You were really obsessed with this.

Yeah.

Yes.

You know, to get into my personal life, I remember taking the suitcase, the brand new one, which is way too expensive.

I would never normally buy a suitcase that expensive, transferring all my stuff from the old suitcase into the new suitcase, zipping it back up, going to the bathroom, coming back and having a new suitcase that I had to then go and check in and throwing out the old one.

Where did you throw it at?

Oh my God.

Listener, I want you to know, this year, nearly every time I've flown, I've stopped by the luggage store at the airport, lingered, hoping to spy one single person walking in to make one of these confusing purchases.

I'd mostly despaired.

I never would have suspected that the airport luggage buyer would in fact be the airport historian.

I thought I would never find the person I was looking for, and he was in front of me the whole time.

I went over to a garbage receptacle that was large enough to, you know, was not a hard case suitcase, myola.

It was sort of a, you know, crappy duffel bag type thing.

I just.

Because part of my fear, I got to tell you, is that you can't leave an unattended old suitcase at an airport.

You know what's going to happen.

Yeah, I know.

Yeah, but you can crumple it up into a ball and put it into a garbage can.

I mean, now I feel like I'm being cross-examined by the district attorney or something.

I swear, Your Honor, I swear, I swear.

Aleister Gordon, a very good sport.

His book about airports is called Naked Airport: A Cultural History of the World's Most Revolutionary Structure.

After the break, one of the listeners who brought us a question about luggage chores has their own recommendation: a recommendation which blew my mind.

It could be the solution for all of your holiday gifting needs.

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Before we leave you this week, our listener, John, had a very interesting recommendation, an airport luggage themed recommendation, which he shared and which I have found myself repeating over and over.

So I wanted to share it with you.

It's a store you might want to check out when you next find yourself in Alabama.

So I grew up in the South and I was going to my uncle's like

lake, Gunnersville Lake in Alabama.

And it's right next to Scottsboro, Alabama.

And since a kid, I've been going to this place called Unclaimed Baggage, which is where all of the unclaimed baggage ends up that is lost.

as in travel.

So, and when I was a kid, it was literally like folding tables and suitcases opened up that you would bid on different items.

You'd be like, oh man, oh, this new pair of Nikes here.

Could I, how much are these?

I'll give you five bucks for them.

And the guy's like, ah, 15.

And it was like literally haggling over open suitcases.

And now this place is like a Walmart with like massive different sections from jewelry to like sporting equipment.

You can buy surfboards there to like, you know, all kinds of random stuff that you're like, how were you traveling with with that?

Like, how did this get lost?

And it's now on the internet.

Yes, they have like an online shopping experience, unclaimed baggage, and then it's still in a hub in Scottsboro, Alabama.

It's like the biggest thing in Scottsboro, Alabama.

It's a tiny town.

And everything, everything is something that was unclaimed baggage.

Like they don't also just sell extra stuff.

That's a great question.

I,

you know, I don't know.

Could be false advertising at this point because it looks very luxurious, like some of the items there.

But then again, you know,

people lose new stuff, right?

People lose everything.

I should just say, unclaimed baggage, there is a way to visit this store without traveling to Alabama.

Unclaimed Baggage has an online store, unclaimedbaggage.com.

I see on it today Dolce and Gabbana slippers that retail for $745, half off.

Or this pair of green-gray rollerblades, $25.99.

There's a lone Super Smash Bros.

cartridge for Nintendo Ultimate.

Or you can just buy a mystery box.

Honestly, buy your family unclaimed luggage mystery boxes this holiday season.

What a miraculous store.

It's like everything imaginable that you could imagine that somebody lost in their luggage, and they were just like precious items.

And then some stuff that's just like thrift store trash.

But I love thrift stores.

I go thrift store all the time.

And this is always a highlight when we go down there because it's like there's a story behind each item.

Yeah.

And you're thinking about like that you're making up completely.

I've got these like leather, like Italian handmade leather shoes that are like woven leather that I would, they probably, I don't know how it does.

Those definitely came out of some super censor.

I could never afford them.

It definitely came out of somebody's suitcase and I'm like, man, these are awesome.

Like I would never own these unless I came to unclaimed baggage.

They're not dirty.

They're off-white.

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