Serial S01 - Ep. 1: The Alibi

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Speaker 2 From This American Life in WBEZ Chicago, it's Serial, one story told week by week. I'm Sarah Koenig.

Speaker 2 For the last year, I've spent every working day trying to figure out where a high school kid was for an hour after school one day in 1999.

Speaker 2 Or if you want to get technical about it, and apparently I do, where a high school kid was for 21 minutes after school one day in 1999. This search sometimes feels undignified on my part.

Speaker 2 I've had to ask about teenagers' sex lives, where, how often, with whom, about notes they passed in class, about their drug habits, their relationships with their parents.

Speaker 2 And I am not a detective or a private investigator. I'm not even a crime reporter.
But yes, every day this year, I've tried to figure out the alibi of a 17-year-old boy.

Speaker 2 Before I get into why I've been doing this, I just want to point out something I'd never really thought about before I started working on this story.

Speaker 2 And that is, it's really hard to account for your time in a detailed way, I mean. How'd you get to work last Wednesday, for instance? Drive, walk, bike? Was it raining? Are you sure?

Speaker 2 Did you go to any stores that day? If so, what did you buy? Who did you talk to? The entire day, name every person you talked to. It's hard.

Speaker 2 Now imagine you have to account for a day that happened six weeks back, because that's a situation in the story I'm working on, in which a bunch of teenagers had to recall a day six weeks earlier.

Speaker 2 And it was 1999, so they had to do it without the benefit of texts or Facebook or Instagram. Just for a lark, I asked some teenagers to try it.
Do you remember what you did on that Friday? No.

Speaker 2 Not at all.

Speaker 2 I can't remember anything.

Speaker 2 Wait, nothing?

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 4 I can't remember anything that far back.

Speaker 2 I'm pretty sure I was in school. I think.
No?

Speaker 2 That's Tyler. He's 18.
I asked my nephew, Sam. He's 18 too.
Not clue.

Speaker 2 In school, probably. I would be in school.

Speaker 2 Actually, I think I worked that day. No, yeah, I worked that day, and I went to school.
That was about it.

Speaker 2 Actually, on second thought?

Speaker 6 I don't think I went to school that day.

Speaker 2 You don't think you went?

Speaker 7 Yeah, no, I didn't.

Speaker 8 I definitely didn't.

Speaker 2 Here's Sam's friend Elliot. He seemed to have better recall.

Speaker 8 Actually, I may have gone to the movies that night later.

Speaker 2 Do you remember what you saw? That's what I'm thinking.

Speaker 8 I'm sorry. Yeah, I think I saw 22 Jump Street.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 And did you go with friends?

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 8 I went with Sam and

Speaker 8 Kid Sean, Carter, a bunch of people.

Speaker 2 Wait, you s- Sam, my nephew, Sam? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Oh, okay. So Sam says he was at work.

Speaker 10 Oh, then it wasn't that night, then.

Speaker 2 One kid did actually remember pretty well because it was the last day of state testing at his school and he'd saved up to go to a nightclub.

Speaker 2 That's the main thing I learned from this exercise, which is no big shocker, I guess, is that if some significant event happened that day, you remember that, plus you remember the entire day much better.

Speaker 2 If nothing significant happened, then the answers get very general. I most likely did this or I most likely did that.

Speaker 2 These are words I've heard a lot lately.

Speaker 2 Here's the case I've been working on. Almost 15 years ago, on January 13th, 1999, a girl named Hay Min Lee disappeared.
She was a senior at Woodlawn High School in Baltimore County in Maryland.

Speaker 2 She was Korean, she was smart and beautiful and cheerful and a great athlete. She played field hockey and lacrosse.
And she was responsible.

Speaker 2 Right after school, she was supposed to pick up her little cousin from kindergarten and drop her home, but she didn't show.

Speaker 2 That's when Haley's family knew something was up, when the cousin's school called.

Speaker 2 About a month later, on February 9th, Hay's body was found in in a big park in Baltimore, really a rambling forest.

Speaker 2 A maintenance guy who said he'd stopped to take a leak on his way to work discovered her there. He'd noticed a bit of her black hair poking out of a shallow grave.

Speaker 2 The cause of death was manual strangulation, meaning someone did it with their hands.

Speaker 2 A couple weeks after that, so six weeks after she first went missing, Hay's ex-boyfriend, a guy named Adnan Syed, was arrested for her murder. He's been in prison ever since.

Speaker 2 I first heard about this story more than a year ago when I got an email from a woman named Rabia Chowdhury. Rabia knows Adnan pretty well.
Her younger brother Saad is Adnan's best friend.

Speaker 2 And they believe he's innocent.

Speaker 2 Rabia was writing to me because way back when I used to be a reporter for the Baltimore Sun and she'd come across some stories I'd written about a well-known defense attorney in Baltimore who'd been disbarred for mishandling client money.

Speaker 2 That attorney was the same person who'd defended Adan, her last major trial, in fact.

Speaker 2 Rabia told me she thought the attorney botched the case. Not just botched it, actually, but threw the case on purpose so she could get more money for the appeal.
The lawyer had died a few years later.

Speaker 2 She'd been sick. Rabia asked if I would please just take a look at Adan's case.
I don't get emails like this every day, so I thought, sure, why not?

Speaker 2 I read a few newspaper clips about the case, looked up a few trial records, and on paper, the case was like a Shakespearean mashup.

Speaker 2 Young lovers from different worlds thwarting their families, secret assignations, jealousy, suspicion, and honor besmirched. The villain, not a Moor exactly, but a Muslim all the same.

Speaker 2 And a final act of murderous revenge. And the main stage, a regular old high school across the street from a 7-Eleven.

Speaker 2 Hi, are you Rabia? Hi! Am I saying your name correctly?

Speaker 2 Rabia, okay. I went to go see Rabia.
She was surrounded by paper. Files, loose stacks, binders, some crappy-looking boxes.
All court documents and attorneys' files from Anan's case.

Speaker 2 Some of the papers were warped and discolored. Why do they look wet? They look like wet.

Speaker 11 These have been, yeah, these have been damaged because these...

Speaker 2 She explained that it was because the boxes had been in her car on and off for 15 years. Robbie is a lawyer herself.
She mostly does immigration stuff.

Speaker 2 Her office takes up the corner of a much larger open space that I think is a Pakistani travel agency, though it's hard to tell. It's in this little strip mall.

Speaker 2 Across the parking lot, there's a new Pakistani restaurant, an African evangelical church, an Indian clothing shop, a convenience store.

Speaker 2 On the sidewalk outside, I found a teeny weeny bag of marijuana. Baltimore County is like this, at least on the west side.

Speaker 2 It's where a lot of middle class and working class people go, many immigrants included, to get their kids out of the badass city, though the badass city is close by. Rabia's 40.

Speaker 2 She's short and she's got a beautiful round face framed by hijab. She's adorable looking, but you definitely shouldn't mess with her.
She's very smart and very tough and she could crush you.

Speaker 2 Her brother Saad was at Rabia's Rabia's office, too, the first time I went. He's 33, mortgage broker, more laid-back than Rabia.

Speaker 2 They told me about Adnan Syed, their friend. Not just a good kid, but an especially good kid.
Smart, kind, goofy, handsome.

Speaker 2 So that when he's arrested for murder, so many people who knew him were stunned.

Speaker 11 He was like the community's golden child.

Speaker 2 Oh, really? Talk more about that.

Speaker 11 He was an honor role student, volunteer EMT. He was like on the football team.
He was a

Speaker 11 star runner on the track team. He was the homecoming king.
He led prayers at the mosque.

Speaker 11 So he was, yeah, everybody knew Adnan to be, you know, somebody who's going to do something really big.

Speaker 2 I later fact-checked all these accolades, of course, and learned that Rabia was mostly right, though she sometimes gets a little loosey-goosey with the details.

Speaker 2 Adnan was an EMT, but he didn't volunteer. He was paid for it.
He was on the track team, but he wasn't a star. He did play football, and he did lead prayers on occasion.

Speaker 2 He wasn't homecoming king, but he was prince of his junior prom, and this at a high school that was majority black. They picked the Pakistani Muslim kid.
So you get the picture.

Speaker 2 He was an incredibly likable and well-liked kid.

Speaker 2 This conversation with Rabia and Saad, this is what launched me on this year-long...

Speaker 2 obsession is maybe too strong a word. Let's say fascination with this case.

Speaker 2 By the end of this hour, you're going to hear different people tell different versions of what happened the day Haley was killed.

Speaker 2 But let's start with the most important version of the story, the one Rabia told me first, and that's the one that was presented at trial. The state's case against Adnan went like this.

Speaker 2 He and Hay had been going out since junior prom, but Adnan wasn't supposed to be dating at all. Adnan was born in the U.S., but his parents are from Pakistan, and they're conservative Muslims.

Speaker 2 No drinking, no smoking, no girls, all that. Saad and Rabia's parents are the same way.
Their families are friends.

Speaker 2 But even though Adnan and Saad and their buddies were Muslims, they were also, shall we say, healthy American teenagers who were going to do what teenagers do, so long as they didn't get caught.

Speaker 2 So Adnan had to keep his relationship with Hay secret. The state used this against him in two ways.

Speaker 2 First, they argued, he'd put everything on the line, his family, his relationships at the mosque, to run around with this girl, so that when she broke up with him eight months later, he was left with nothing and he was outraged.

Speaker 2 He couldn't take it, and he killed her. And the second way they used it is they said, look at what a liar he is.
How duplicitous.

Speaker 2 He plays the good Muslim son at home and at the the mosque, but look what he was up to. Saad remembers the prosecutor's closing argument at trial.

Speaker 5 His family didn't know that he actually drank, he smoked, he was having sex.

Speaker 2 This was proof of bad character.

Speaker 2 Someone who could be a murderer.

Speaker 2 But Saad says, if Adnan's guilty of anything, it's of being a normal kid with immigrant parents.

Speaker 5 So like the prosecution had... painted Adnan as a totally like a bipolar or like a maniacal dual personality.
We all grew up with that dual personality.

Speaker 2 It was forced.

Speaker 5 I mean, I'm the same way. I was like, they could paint the same thing because I was actually Homecoming King, which I don't know if my sister even knows.

Speaker 5 She did not know.

Speaker 5 So, I mean, I was dating a girl that was...

Speaker 2 And why is Homecoming King bad? Is that such a good thing?

Speaker 11 We don't go to Homecoming.

Speaker 2 Because it's a dance.

Speaker 11 It's a dance. It's a mixed gender.

Speaker 5 So I was in the same boat. My parents...
My sister, they didn't know about this at all. I mean,

Speaker 5 right now, 10 years, more than 10 years later, she's finding out. You know, I know.

Speaker 5 I mean, you know, I'll admit, you know, on one side, like, my family thinks I'm a virgin, but on the other hand, I've claimed

Speaker 2 that.

Speaker 11 But it's the thing. Time, Tim I, Time I.

Speaker 5 See that? Like that right there, I mean, it's kind of making her feel uncomfortable.

Speaker 3 You know, she's like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 2 So just on motive alone, Saad and Rabia found the whole thing ridiculous.

Speaker 2 As for physical evidence, there was none. Nothing.
Apart from some fingerprints in Hayes' car, which a nun had been in many times, there was nothing linking him to the crime.

Speaker 2 No DNA, no fibers, no hairs, no matching soil from the bottom of his boots. Instead, what they had on Annan was one guy's story, a guy named Jay.

Speaker 2 He's the third person you need to remember in this crime story, besides Hay and Adnan.

Speaker 2 Jay was a friend of Adnan's. They'd been in school together since middle school.
They weren't super close, but they had mutual friends. Jay sold weed and he and Annan smoked together.

Speaker 2 The story Jay told police had problems, because it kept changing from telling to telling. But they were able to bolster the main plot points using cell records from Adnan's phone.

Speaker 2 By the time I left Rabbi's office that first day, I understood only one thing clearly, though maybe not the thing Robbie and Said wanted me to understand.

Speaker 2 But what I took away from the visit was: somebody is lying here. Maybe Adnan really is innocent, but what if he isn't? What if he did do it, and he's got all these good people thinking he didn't?

Speaker 2 So either it's Jay or it's Adnan, but someone is lying, and I really wanted to figure out who.

Speaker 2 In the early morning of February 28th, 1999, Adnan was arrested by Baltimore City detectives. He was asleep in his bed when they showed up at his house.

Speaker 2 They took him straight from his untidy bedroom to an interrogation room at Homicide downtown.

Speaker 2 What Adnan didn't know is that just hours before they picked him up, the cops had interviewed his friend Jay.

Speaker 6 This is a take interview of Jay, black male, 19 years of age, working offices of homicide, specifically the colonel's conference room.

Speaker 2 The police recorded two taped interviews with Jay, and I'm going to play you the second one from a couple weeks later, only because the sound quality is much better.

Speaker 2 Just a warning that the tape is a little upsetting to hear in parts.

Speaker 6 Why don't you go ahead and tell us

Speaker 6 what you know about the death of Haley?

Speaker 12 Um

Speaker 12 at uh

Speaker 12 left out

Speaker 6 went shopping with a friend of mine

Speaker 6 an ex-friend of mine Adnan

Speaker 6 we had had a conversation um

Speaker 6 during the conversation stated um

Speaker 6 that he was gonna kill that bitch referring to Haley

Speaker 6 I didn't I

Speaker 2 took it with context it didn't stand out my head any uh Jay says he didn't take it too seriously the cops have him start again from the top on the morning of the 13th, Jay says, Adnan had left school and driven to Jay's house.

Speaker 2 Jay had graduated from school the year before and was working, but not on that day.

Speaker 2 January 13th happens to be the birthday of Jay's girlfriend Stephanie, and Jay, who didn't have his own car, needed to go buy something for her.

Speaker 2 So Adnan comes over. According to Jay, they go shopping at the mall.

Speaker 6 What did she do then?

Speaker 6 He left the mall.

Speaker 6 I took him to school. I dropped him off in the back of the school.

Speaker 6 He went up to class. He left his cell phone and car with me.
Told me he'd call me.

Speaker 6 I went back to my friend Jen's house and waited for him to call. Okay, now at this point, you know why he's leaving the car with you.

Speaker 9 Yes.

Speaker 6 And why is that? Because he said he was going to kill Hay.

Speaker 6 And the reason you have the car and the cell phone was why? To pick him up from wherever he was going to do this.

Speaker 6 Okay.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 you had talked about this while you were shopping

Speaker 6 that day? The details of uh the car and all? The events, how they were going to plan out. He he di d the that day he told me, Yes.
He told me, um, I'm going to leave you with my cell phone and my car.

Speaker 6 I need you to come get me. Yes.
After?

Speaker 6 After he had killed Hay, yes. Okay.

Speaker 2 Later that afternoon, the call comes.

Speaker 6 You receive a phone call from Madnon. Yes.
On his cell phone. Yes.
Which is in your possession. Yes.

Speaker 6 And the conversation was was what?

Speaker 6 That bitch is dead. Come and get me.

Speaker 9 I'm at Best Buy.

Speaker 2 Jay drives to Best Buy and sees Anand in the parking lot.

Speaker 6 I noticed that Hay wasn't with him. I parked next to him.
He asked me to get out the car. I get out of the car.
He asked me, am I ready for this?

Speaker 6 And I say, ready for what? And he takes the keys, he opens the trunk.

Speaker 12 And

Speaker 6 all I can see is

Speaker 6 Hay's lips are all blue and she's pretzeled up in the back of the trunk and she's dead.

Speaker 2 They leave the parking lot. Adnan's driving Hayes' car with her body in the trunk.
Jay is driving Adnan's car.

Speaker 2 They ditch Hayes' car at the I-70 park and ride and then to hear Jay tell it, they just kind of tour around Baltimore County together for a while as if nothing had happened.

Speaker 2 Buy some weed, cruise around, make some calls. After a while, Jay drives Adnan back to Woodlawn High School.

Speaker 6 Why did you take him back to school? He told me that I had to take him back to school because he needed to be seen there.

Speaker 6 So he was he going to a certain event? Ah, it's practice, track practice. Track practice.
Yes. So he wanted an alibi? Yes.
He wanted to be seen by the people at track. Yeah.

Speaker 6 And you guys had discussed that?

Speaker 6 He just told me that he needed to be seen. Yes.
He told me that he needed to be seen at track practice. You took him back? Yes.
Are you having any conversation with Adnon at the time?

Speaker 6 To the effect, yes. Don't tell anyone.

Speaker 6 He said that he couldn't believe he killed somebody with his bare hands, that all the other

Speaker 6 motherfuckers referring to like hoods and thugs and stuff think they're hardcore, but he just killed a person with his bare hands. So at this point, he's bragging about it.

Speaker 6 Basically.

Speaker 6 He was proud of it?

Speaker 6 Yes.

Speaker 2 After track practice, Jay picks Adan up again. They drive around some more.

Speaker 2 By this time, Hayes' family was worried, and they'd called the police, who in turn called a couple of Hay's friends, including Adnan.

Speaker 2 The call comes in on his cell. The cops ask if he's seen Hay or knows where she is.

Speaker 2 Jay says after the call, they drive to Jay's to get some shovels, go retrieve Hay's car from the park and ride.

Speaker 2 They drive around some more, and finally end up at Leakin Park, where Adnan proceeds to bury Hay.

Speaker 2 It's evening by now, maybe 7 or 8 p.m.

Speaker 6 And uh

Speaker 6 he asked me if I was gonna help, and I told him fuck no, and he starts just shoveling dirt on top of him.

Speaker 6 And I'll be leaving there. Um

Speaker 6 uh

Speaker 6 let me stop a minute. Yes.

Speaker 6 You helped him dig the hole? Yes.

Speaker 6 How long did it take you both

Speaker 6 to dig the hole?

Speaker 6 Twenty, twenty-five minutes. How deep did you make the hole? Oh, maybe

Speaker 6 six inches at the most.

Speaker 6 It wasn't very deep at all. Who did most of the digs?

Speaker 6 It was...

Speaker 6 Both of you. Yeah.

Speaker 12 Equal work.

Speaker 6 I wouldn't say that, but yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 So those are the key points. Adnan told Jay in advance he was going to do it.
He did it. They buried her.
Jay's story wasn't just the foundation of the state's case against Annan.

Speaker 2 It was the state's case against Adnan.

Speaker 2 And the picture Jay drew, it's cold. I mean, he's not describing a crime of passion here.
This is something much darker.

Speaker 2 To methodically map out the death of your friend, to strangle her with your own hands, so close up like that.

Speaker 2 That would mean Anand wasn't just a killer, but a master liar and manipulator. A psychopath, probably.

Speaker 2 Adan's in a maximum security prison in Western Maryland. He calls me, at my request, about twice a week.

Speaker 2 He talks to me from a bank of eight payphones in the rec hall, a pretty large room where other guys are sitting at tables with metal seats attached to them, playing chess or cards or using the microwave or watching TV.

Speaker 2 It can get a little loud sometimes. Once I asked if all eight phones were always occupied and he said usually not, because guys who've been in for a long time, often they have no one to call.

Speaker 2 When I first met Adnan in person, I was struck by two things. He was way bigger than I expected, barrel-chested and tall.

Speaker 2 In the photos I'd seen, he was still a lanky teenager with struggling facial hair and sagging jeans. By now he was 32.
He'd spent nearly half his life in prison, becoming larger and properly bearded.

Speaker 2 And the second thing, which you can't miss about Adnan, is that he has giant brown eyes like a dairy cow. That's what prompts my most idiotic lines of inquiry.

Speaker 2 Could someone who looks like that really strangle his girlfriend? Idiotic, I know.

Speaker 2 When he first heard Jay's story of the crime, Adnan didn't say, well, it didn't happen like that, or I didn't mean for it to happen like that. He said, it didn't happen.
None of this is true, at all.

Speaker 2 He says he had nothing to do with Hay's murder and he doesn't know who did.

Speaker 2 Hay was Adnan's first serious relationship with a girl. He says he loved her in the way of high school love but then also in the way of high school got over her.

Speaker 2 So that when they broke up for good sometime before Christmas break of senior year, he says he was sad for sure but not obsessed or anything.

Speaker 9 I just sometimes wish like they could like look into my brain and see how I really felt about her and no matter what else someone would say they would see man this guy had no had no ill will towards her.

Speaker 9 Whatever the motivation is to kill someone, I had absolutely, it didn't exist in me.

Speaker 10 You know what I mean?

Speaker 10 No one can ever say why.

Speaker 12 People can say why, oh man, he was mad, this, that, or the other, but no one can ever come with any type of proof or anecdote or anything to ever say that I was ever mad at her, that I was ever angry with her, that I ever threatened her.

Speaker 9 You know, that's the only thing I can really hold on to.

Speaker 10 And it's like my only firm handhold of this whole thing is that no one's ever been able to prove it. No one ever has been able to provide any shred of evidence that I had

Speaker 10 anything but

Speaker 2 He's adamant about this. You can hear it, right? He's staunch.

Speaker 2 The problem is, when you ask Adnan to go back and tell his version of what happened that day, to refute Jay's story, everything becomes a lot mushier.

Speaker 2 Yes, he hung out with Jay on the 13th, both during and after school, but he doesn't remember exactly where they went or what they did or what time it was. Here's what he's got.

Speaker 2 January 13th unfolded like any other day, a normal, mostly uneventful day. He says there are a couple of things that do stand out, though.
That day was Stephanie's birthday.

Speaker 2 Stephanie was one of Anand's best friends, and also Jay's girlfriend.

Speaker 2 Anand had gotten Stephanie a birthday present, stuffed reindeer, which he'd given to her in second period, Miss Efron's English class. And

Speaker 2 it occurred to me that day that I was going to ask her boyfriend, Jay, did he get her a gift? So sometime during the day,

Speaker 12 before noon,

Speaker 2 wait, Anand, just hold up for a second.

Speaker 2 Why did you care whether Jay got Stephanie a present? Like, what's it to you?

Speaker 10 Well, Stephanie was a very close friend of mine, as I mentioned. And it was just,

Speaker 10 I just kind of wanted to make sure that she also got a gift from him. You know, she had mentioned to me that she was looking forward to getting a gift from him.

Speaker 10 She mentioned she was really happy to get the gift that I gave her. So it just, as I would with any friend, I just kind of,

Speaker 10 you know, went to check on that.

Speaker 12 I kind of had a feeling that maybe he didn't get her a gift.

Speaker 10 And I had free periods during school, so it wasn't like, you know,

Speaker 12 it was not abnormal for me to leave school to go do something and then come back.

Speaker 10 So I went to his house and I asked him, you know, did you?

Speaker 10 happen to get a present for Stephanie? He said no. So I said, if you want to, you can drop me back off to school.

Speaker 10 You can borrow my car and you can go to the mall and get her a gift or whatever and just come pick me up after track practice that day.

Speaker 2 So then what happened?

Speaker 10 Well then

Speaker 10 when school was over I would have went to the library. I know that I usually check, well I didn't usually check but if I was going to check my email it would be using the library computer.

Speaker 10 You know, sometimes I would go there because track practice didn't start until around maybe 3 o'clock or 3.30-ish.

Speaker 9 So it didn't start right after school. So there was a period of time of almost like an hour, hours and change.

Speaker 9 You know, that was kind of free time.

Speaker 2 This hour and change after school, this is the crucial window. This is the time when the state says Hay was killed.
School got out at 2.15.

Speaker 2 People remember seeing her after her last class, heading to her car. According to Jay's story and the cell phone records, she was dead by 2.36 p.m.

Speaker 2 So sometime in those 21 minutes, between 2.15 and 2.36, she was strangled. So that's obviously the same window Adnan needed to account for.
To quote Adnan, my case lived and died in those 21 minutes.

Speaker 2 So where does Adnan say he was? Well, maybe the library, but nobody testified to that at trial.

Speaker 2 Then to track practice, he does remember being at track one day when it was snowing, which might have been that day.

Speaker 2 The coach testified that Adnan probably was there, but he can't be 100% sure because as a rule, he didn't take attendance.

Speaker 2 After school is when his memories become non-specific.

Speaker 2 Usually we did this, or we probably would have done that. Probably track packets would have ended, like I say, 4.30.
Jay did come to pick up Adnan after track.

Speaker 2 That part Adnan seems to more or less remember. It was Ramadan, so Adnan would have been fasting all day and hungry.

Speaker 10 It probably would have been closely time for me to break fast.

Speaker 10 He would have came to pick me up, and we would have went to go get something to eat, and then we would have smoked some weed after, right. And then I would have had to have gone,

Speaker 10 been home by like around seven eight o'clock right

Speaker 10 or usually like the last ten nights in Ramadan my father would spend the night at the mosque so a lot of times I would take him food like my mother would make food for him and I would take it like usually before eight o'clock right because that's the last evening prayer

Speaker 2 did you ever leave the campus before the end of track practice did you ever no

Speaker 2 okay

Speaker 2 no you're sure

Speaker 2 I want to say that I'm 99% sure. Okay.

Speaker 12 The reason why I can't say 100 is because, I mean, I do kind of understand that it comes across as, I don't know if it does or it doesn't, but it seems like I remember things that are beneficial to me, but things that aren't beneficial to me, I can't remember.

Speaker 10 It's just that I don't really know what to say, you know, beyond the fact that a lot of the day that I do remember, it's bits and pieces, it comes from what other people have said, you know, that they remember, right, and it kind of

Speaker 10 jogs my memory.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I don't really know what to say.

Speaker 10 And I completely understand how that comes across.

Speaker 10 I mean, the only thing I can say is, man, it was just a normal day to me. There was absolutely nothing abnormal about that day to me.

Speaker 2 Adon knows better than anyone how unhelpful this all is, how problematic, because it plays both ways. If he's innocent, right, it's any other day.
Of course he doesn't remember.

Speaker 2 But you can also read it as how convenient he doesn't remember the day. So no one can fact-check him or poke holes in his story because he has no story.

Speaker 10 Now, I definitely understand that someone could look at this and say, oh, man, you know, he must be lying. It's so coincidental that he doesn't remember what he did at this particular time.

Speaker 10 I mean, I completely understand that. And I get that.
That's, you know, like I said, that's the, you know, the biggest, the hardest thing I've dealt with for these past 15 years is that I don't,

Speaker 10 there's nothing tangible I can do to remember that day. It's the truth.
There's nothing I can do, you know, to make me remember.

Speaker 12 You know,

Speaker 10 I poured through the transcripts. I've looked through the telephone records.
You know,

Speaker 10 it's just,

Speaker 10 what else can I do? There's nothing I can do, so it's just, you know, perhaps I'll never be able to explain it.

Speaker 12 And it is what it is.

Speaker 10 If someone believes me or not, you know, I have no control over it.

Speaker 2 Adnan's trial was a long ordeal. Jay was on the stand for something like five days.
A cell phone expert testified for two days, a lifetime when you're discussing cell tower technology.

Speaker 2 There were absences and some bad weather closed the courts. So it was six weeks before both both sides rested.
But the jury, they moved like lightning.

Speaker 2 After just a few hours, including a lunch break, they convicted Annan of first-degree murder. Rabia Chowdhury was there in the courtroom when it happened.

Speaker 2 She says his mother was crying, she was crying.

Speaker 2 Rabia hadn't sat through the whole trial, so the first time she fully understood that the case came down to those 21 minutes was during closing arguments, when the prosecutor brought out a dummy's head and strangled it in front of the jury.

Speaker 2 That evening, after the verdict, Rabia went to see Adnan in lockup.

Speaker 11 And so I went to go see him. So this is the same day he's been convicted.
And this is the first time I actually had a conversation with him about, you know, what's going on.

Speaker 11 And I was like, you know, Adnan, the whole thing's turning on these 20, 25 minutes. Like, you know, where were you? And he's like, look, she disappeared in January.

Speaker 11 You know, in March, you're asking me, like, where were you after school for 20 minutes on a specific day? Like, no, all the days are the same to me, you know.

Speaker 2 But then he mentions that there was this one girl.

Speaker 2 An alibi girl.

Speaker 11 He's like, the only thing

Speaker 11 I could offer is he's like, I remember, he's like, there's a girl I go to school with who, her name's Asia McClain.

Speaker 11 He's like, right after I got arrested, she wrote me a couple of letters and she said she also wanted to see my family.

Speaker 11 And she said she specifically remembers me being at the library, at the public library, right after school.

Speaker 2 The Woodlawn Public Library is just across the parking lot from Woodlawn High School. It's not technically part of the campus, but it might as well be.

Speaker 11 He said, I gave those letters to Christina Gutierrez, to my attorney. He's like, but, you know, apparently it didn't really check out.
So he's like, I don't know. So they're not helpful to us.

Speaker 11 So this is the first time I heard of this girl, Asia McLean. I had never heard of her before.
Nobody had mentioned her before.

Speaker 2 Were you like floored? Like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, what? I mean, what, like,

Speaker 11 I wasn't floored at the time because I thought,

Speaker 11 I thought if he, if this girl wrote and the attorney,

Speaker 11 what criminal defense attorney is not going to check out a potential alibi?

Speaker 11 So I asked him, I said, do you have a copy of those letters? He said, yeah, I have a copy. I said, send me a copy.

Speaker 2 Adnan sends the letters to Rabia, and here's what she reads. The first letter, the first of two, is dated March 1st, 1999.
That is one day after Adnan was arrested.

Speaker 2 At the top of the letter, she notes, I just came from your house an hour ago. Dear Adnan, I hope I spelled it right.

Speaker 2 I'm not sure if you remember talking to me in the library on January 13th, but I remembered chatting with you.

Speaker 2 She says, quote, we aren't really close friends, but I want you to look into my eyes and tell me of your innocence. If I ever find otherwise, I will hunt you down and whip your ass, okay, friend?

Speaker 2 At the bottom, she added a little note. My boyfriend and his best friend remember seeing you there, too.
That's letter number one. Then the next day, on March 2nd, she writes it on another letter.

Speaker 2 This one's typed, it's chattier.

Speaker 2 She talks about the gossip in school, the bits and pieces of evidence about the crime that are circulating, what the students are saying, what the teachers are saying, about her visit to his house.

Speaker 2 Quote, your brothers are nice. I don't think I met your mother.
I think I met your dad. Does he have a big gray beard? They gave me and Justin soda and cake.

Speaker 2 There's a whole bunch of people at your house. I didn't know who they were.
I also didn't know that Muslims take their shoes off in the house. Thank God they didn't make me take mine off.

Speaker 2 My stinky feet probably would have knocked everyone out cold. Why haven't you told anyone about talking to me in the library? She asks him.
Did you think it was unimportant?

Speaker 2 You didn't think that I would remember? Or did you just totally forget yourself?

Speaker 2 Adnan says now that he does, in fact, remember seeing Asia in the library. The thing he remembers about it is so high school.

Speaker 2 Asia used to go out with Adnan's friend Justin, and Justin had confided that Asia was a proper young lady. In other words, Justin wasn't getting any.

Speaker 2 So Adnan remembers thinking he would now get to tease Justin about seeing Asia with her new boyfriend. Maybe the new guy was getting lucky.
Ha ha.

Speaker 2 Anyway, Rabia calls Asia up. It's been a year since she wrote the letters, but she agrees to meet.

Speaker 11 And she told me that day after school, I went to the public library, and Adnan was sitting at a computer checking email or something, and I sat sat down next to him and we started chatting.

Speaker 11 And Adan was a very popular boy in school. He's handsome and, you know,

Speaker 11 popular with the ladies. So she was speaking to him and her boyfriend shows up a little bit later with a friend.

Speaker 11 And she said her boyfriend was really angry at her because he's like, why are you talking to him? You know, it's high school kids. You know, why are you talking to him? Is he hitting on you?

Speaker 11 And she remembered very specifically that that day she went home with her, she went to her boyfriend's house with him. And they got snowed in.
And it snowed really heavily that night.

Speaker 11 And she remembered that for the following two days, school was closed. So she had very specific details about why she remembered that day.

Speaker 2 Asia wrote out an affidavit on the spot. In it, she says she and Anand spoke for about 15 to 20 minutes while she was waiting for her boyfriend to give her a ride.
Quote, we left around 2.40, unquote.

Speaker 2 Remember, Hay is supposed to be dead by 2.36.

Speaker 2 And then the kicker. No attorney has ever contacted me about January 13th, 1999, and the above information.

Speaker 2 So, benefit of the doubt for a second. Maybe Adnan never actually showed the letters to Christina Gutierrez, his attorney.
Sure, he said he did, but who knows? Well, I know.

Speaker 2 Deep inside Gutierrez's notes on the case, I have boxes and boxes of such stuff, there's this in her handwriting. Asia plus boyfriend saw him in library, 2.15 to 3.15.

Speaker 2 Then there's another note, dated July 13th. It's more than four months after Adnan's arrest.
This is written by one of Gutierrez's law clerks who visited Anand in jail.

Speaker 2 Quote, Asia McLean saw him in the library at 3. Asia boyfriend saw him 2.
Library may have cameras.

Speaker 2 Why, oh why was this person never heard from at trial? A solid, non-crazy, detail-oriented alibi witness in a case that so sorely needed alibi witnesses?

Speaker 2 I can't ask Christina Gutierrez because she died in 2004.

Speaker 2 So I put that question to a few defense attorneys, and they said, well, alibi witnesses can be tricky, especially if it's just one person, because then it becomes one person's word over another.

Speaker 2 A single witness like that can backfire under cross-examination, or they might take the jury's focus away from the weaknesses in the state's case.

Speaker 2 So there are conceivable strategic reasons why Christina Gutierrez might not have wanted to put Asia McClain on the stand.

Speaker 2 But what is inconceivable, they all said, is to not ever contact Asia McClain, to never make the call, never check it out, never find out if her story helps or hurts your case.

Speaker 2 That makes no sense whatsoever. That is not a strategy.
That is a fuck-up. When I first heard about the long-lost Asia letters and the lawyer's mistake, I thought, well, their fight is over, right?

Speaker 2 They've got an alibi witness who was never heard from. It's such a slam dunk.
They're done. It's such a slam dunk.
They're done.

Speaker 2 Adnan's family hired a new attorney, who filed a petition in court based on the Asia affidavit.

Speaker 2 His argument was that Anand's trial could have turned out differently if Gutirrez had checked out Asia's story, and so Adnan should get some form of what's called post-conviction relief.

Speaker 2 The new lawyer figures he'll get Asia to come to the hearing. She'll vouch for her story.
By this time, Asia had finished school and moved away.

Speaker 2 He finds an address on the west coast, tries calling, sending messages, nothing.

Speaker 2 Finally, he writes a letter to her and gives it to a private investigator who goes out to Asia's house in hopes of delivering it.

Speaker 2 Asia's fiancée comes to the door, opens it partway, tells the investigator that she cannot speak to Asia, but that from what he knows of Adnan's case, Adnan is guilty and deserved the punishment he got.

Speaker 2 Later, the investigator gets a call from the fiancée. We don't have to talk to you.
Leave us alone.

Speaker 2 So Adnan's lawyer calls off the search for Asia, figuring once a witness turns on you like that, it's too risky to keep pushing.

Speaker 2 And then, at Adnan's hearing on the new petition, it comes out that Asia had done the very thing they dreaded.

Speaker 2 Asia had called one of the prosecutors in Adnan's case, a guy named Kevin Urich, and undermined her own statement. This is from a recording of the hearing.
Mr.

Speaker 2 Urich is testifying on the witness stand.

Speaker 2 How did you learn that the defendant had not this position?

Speaker 13 A young lady named Asia called me.

Speaker 13 And what did she say?

Speaker 13 She was concerned because she was being asked questions. about an affidavit she'd written back at the time of the trial.

Speaker 13 She told me that she'd only written it because she was getting pressure from the family, and she basically wrote it to please them and get them off her back.

Speaker 11 It was, it's, I don't know what happened to her and why she would do this.

Speaker 2 Here's Rabia again. She says it's not true that Asia was bullied into writing that statement 15 years ago and she can't fathom why Asia would discredit her own statement like that.

Speaker 11 I don't know why.

Speaker 11 The affidavit was written voluntarily. I mean,

Speaker 11 I'm an attorney. I'm a licensed attorney.
I work on Homeland Security. Like, I have no reason to make something like this up, you know? I didn't even know she existed until

Speaker 11 after the conviction.

Speaker 2 So what do you think happened? Why would they have this sort of violent reaction to helping out Adanao?

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 2 It was

Speaker 11 just really odd.

Speaker 2 So who knows what would have happened if Asia had shown up? Maybe it wouldn't have made a difference. After all, they had the original letters and the affidavit.
That's all that should have mattered.

Speaker 2 But it didn't look good. It'd be natural for the judge to wonder, why can't the defense produce this Asia person? Why is she making making this call to a prosecutor? I mean, anyone would wonder.

Speaker 2 I wondered. I wondered if maybe she was pressured into writing that affidavit.
And I wondered if she was hiding something. Like, maybe she'd lied in those 1999 letters.

Speaker 2 Maybe she didn't really see Adnan at the library that day. And I just wanted to insert herself into something exciting.
And maybe now that she was grown up, she wanted nothing to do with any of it.

Speaker 2 So three, four months after I'd first sat down with Robia, I'd become fixated on finding Asia.

Speaker 2 I'm like a bloodhound on this thing, because because the whole case seemed to me to be teetering on her memories of that afternoon. I have to know if Adnan really was in the library at 2.36 p.m.,

Speaker 2 because if he was, well, library equals innocent. It's so maddeningly simple, and maybe I can crack it if I can just talk to Asia.

Speaker 2 I write her a long, gentle, pleading letter and send it off to an address I find online. I'm calling people who know her or who I think might know her.

Speaker 2 I'm checking the same loop of Facebook, My Life, LinkedIn sites over and over, trawling for clues about where she might be or how she might think.

Speaker 2 If you're wondering why I went so nuts on this story versus some other murder case, the best I can explain is, this is the one that came to me. It wasn't halfway across the world or even next door.

Speaker 2 It came right to my lap. And if I could help get to the bottom of it, shouldn't I try?

Speaker 2 I start running down all the other information in Asia's 1999 letters. She mentioned there were security cameras inside the library.

Speaker 2 So my producer and and I went to see the very nice manager there, Michelle Hamill.

Speaker 2 Was there a security system back in 99 that could have been checked at the time? Probably.

Speaker 4 Yes. I'm going to say yes.

Speaker 2 Okay. And what system was it?

Speaker 4 I have no idea.

Speaker 2 It was an old system. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But you think probably video?

Speaker 4 It was video.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 4 And that was part of setup. Every morning you put a videotape in.

Speaker 2 And were you guys recycling the videotapes? Yes. Okay.

Speaker 4 I think it ran for, you know, a week. So you had a a Monday tape, a Tuesday tape, a Wednesday tape, and so forth.

Speaker 2 So even if on the very day that Asia had written her first letter, Adnan's lawyer had run out to find the security tape, it probably would have been non-existent by then.

Speaker 2 But what about the computer Adnan was supposedly using to check his email?

Speaker 2 To use the computer, did people have to sign in, like write their name down?

Speaker 4 They did.

Speaker 2 And what was the system then?

Speaker 4 piece of paper and pencil.

Speaker 2 And those by any chance weren't logged meticulously and kept for 15 years, were they? No.

Speaker 2 Bummer. All right.

Speaker 2 We got nothing.

Speaker 2 Then there was the mystery of Asia's boyfriend Derek and his friend Gerard.

Speaker 2 All winter and spring, every time I went to Baltimore, I went to Derek's mom's house looking for him and to Gerard's window tinting business. And then finally.

Speaker 2 All right, so you are Gerard Johnson. Yes, I am.

Speaker 2 You don't know how excited we are to be talking to you. I've been looking for you for like four months.

Speaker 2 You didn't do anything, but we were hoping maybe you remembered this moment.

Speaker 2 On January 13th, 1999,

Speaker 2 do you have any memory by any miracle that you went to Woodlawn Public Library Branch near Woodlawn High School to pick up Asia McClain with your friend Derek?

Speaker 4 I have no idea.

Speaker 4 Asia McClain. Is that a person or a book?

Speaker 2 There you go.

Speaker 2 It's a person.

Speaker 4 No, no recollection of it.

Speaker 2 Scratch Gerard. Derek was my last hope.
Eventually I caught him at home. Considering I woke him up, he was exceedingly courteous.
He showed me a photo of Asia and him all dressed up.

Speaker 2 They dated most of senior year. What's up here?

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 2 You guys both look really beautiful.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's my, uh, that's, that's Asia.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 2 But Derek couldn't remember that day either. Shocking, I know.

Speaker 2 He used to pick Asia up from school almost every day back then, either from the library or from the front of the school. And he says he spoke to a lot of her friends just to be polite.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 it's very possible that

Speaker 3 I could have spoken to the gentleman and her on that day,

Speaker 3 but it's very hard to remember, you know, 15 years later. But it sounds, you know, very

Speaker 3 could have happened.

Speaker 3 I don't think Asia's not the type of person that would lie.

Speaker 2 That's what I'm wondering.

Speaker 3 She's definitely not that type of person, you know, to get involved with a lie, you know, that she's not that type of person.

Speaker 3 So she

Speaker 3 it seemed pretty credible to me.

Speaker 2 One day I get a call on my cell phone from a blocked number. You guessed it.
Asia.

Speaker 2 I wish I could say that my charming, persuasive letter is what prompted Asia to call, but the truth is she never got my letter. I had the the wrong address.

Speaker 2 But she was calling because I'd followed up weeks later with a one-line email, and she was responding to that, a little confused. This is crazy.

Speaker 2 I mean, I have a couple minutes of you on a trap, I didn't.

Speaker 2 I recorded our conversation on the cell, which is why the sound quality is so bad. Sorry about that.

Speaker 2 Asia is now a 33-year-old stay-at-home mother, and she has not spent the last 15 years worrying about Adnan and whether he's guilty.

Speaker 9 I trust the court systems to do their

Speaker 9 diligence.

Speaker 9 And

Speaker 9 I, because, I mean, I was never,

Speaker 9 I was never questioned. I was never informed of anything pertaining to the case.
I don't know why he was convicted.

Speaker 2 Asia said she was spooked when the private investigator came to her house.

Speaker 2 I don't know if that's why she didn't testify at the hearing or why she made the call to the prosecutor, but she told me that when she got the knock at the door, quote, that was not cool.

Speaker 2 Because to her, if Adnan did do it, quote, the last thing you want is a murderer being pissed off at you, knowing where you live.

Speaker 2 But she had a remarkably clear memory of what happened on January 13th, 1999. She had an internship at the time, and so she got out of school much earlier than everyone else.

Speaker 2 Derek was supposed to come get her at the library along with Gerard, but they were very late. She remembers seeing Adnan come in after Woodlawn let out for the day.

Speaker 2 Adnan came in, he sat at the table, and like we weren't like really close friends or or anything like that, but you know um

Speaker 2 we I you know, we knew each other and you know we just

Speaker 2 he chatted or whatever and I can't remember

Speaker 2 I think I must have asked him how he was doing or whatever and he said fine and you know, he told me that him and hey I broke up and and I was like, Oh, well, that that's a bummer and and I was like, What happened?

Speaker 2 and he was like, Oh, well,

Speaker 2 is seeing this other guy,

Speaker 2 some white dude, and,

Speaker 2 you know, but he was pretty chill about it. He just

Speaker 2 was like, you know, well, if, you know, she doesn't want to be with me, then that's fine. I, you know, I just wish the best for her and that kind of attitude.

Speaker 2 I'm not sure why Asia's memory of this interaction is so clear all these years later.

Speaker 2 My best guess is that because she wrote it down at the time, in those letters and then the affidavit, that the details somehow stuck.

Speaker 2 Do you remember what time you were talking this would have happened in the library? Do you remember what time that conversation would have happened?

Speaker 2 I don't because I know school let out around 2.15. So it was probably around

Speaker 2 2.30.

Speaker 2 Because you had said you got out of school earlier than other people. So were you there? Were you at the library before 2.15?

Speaker 9 Oh, yeah. I had been at the library for a few hours.

Speaker 2 Oh, wow.

Speaker 9 Yeah, I was pretty pissed when Derek showed up. And,

Speaker 9 you know, and he asked me who Adnon was. And, you know,

Speaker 9 jealous teenager boy language. He's like, you know, who the hell is that?

Speaker 9 And I said, don't even start with me because

Speaker 9 you're a few hours late.

Speaker 9 Don't worry about who that is, you know.

Speaker 9 I remember that day because

Speaker 9 that was the the um day that it snowed.

Speaker 2 Were there snow days after that? Do you remember?

Speaker 2 I I want to say there was because that was I think that was like the first snow of the year.

Speaker 2 I wouldn't have even remembered if it hadn't have been for the snow and the whole,

Speaker 2 you know.

Speaker 2 I just remember being so pissed about Derek being late and then getting snowed in at his

Speaker 2 The snow is important. Hay disappeared on a Wednesday.
That night there was a huge ice storm, which is unusual in Maryland.

Speaker 2 It ended up being a state emergency, and school was closed for the rest of the week.

Speaker 2 Asia started asking me questions about the case. Wasn't there DNA evidence? And what exactly was Jay's part in the whole thing?

Speaker 2 She wasn't sure Adnan was guilty. She said things I've now heard from so many people since.
He seemed like he cared about Hay. He didn't seem angry or upset.
I thought there was more proof.

Speaker 9 Even that day, it did, you know,

Speaker 9 I didn't walk away thinking like, oh, I just started something.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? Yeah. If you want to base his innocence off of his composure at that moment, I would say he's innocent, but

Speaker 2 I mean, I'm 32 years old now, and I know that,

Speaker 2 you know, there's people out there capable of heinous acts that can keep a calm demeanor, you know. Yeah.

Speaker 9 And I know that there are people who flip out

Speaker 9 on a moment's notice and do something that, you know, they regret for the rest of their lives. So I,

Speaker 9 you know,

Speaker 9 don't really

Speaker 9 even now, it would be nice if there was some technicality, something that would prove his innocence. Great.
You know,

Speaker 9 one less evil person I've met in my life.

Speaker 2 You know, but. But I think, I think, Asia, like, you might be that technicality.
Do you see what I mean? Like, Like you're, if you're saying you saw him on this day at that time,

Speaker 2 that means the state's timeline for

Speaker 2 their whole theory of the case doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 2 It's a possibility.

Speaker 2 Because they're saying he was in the car with her

Speaker 2 at the very time that you're saying, no, I saw him at the library and we were talking. Do you know what I mean? Like, that's exactly the window where they're saying she was murdered.

Speaker 2 In case you couldn't hear that, it was a sigh. And I completely understand that sigh.
It's how I feel a lot of the time. Because I talk to Adnan regularly, and he just doesn't seem like a murderer.

Speaker 2 A few minutes after I hung up with Asia, Adnan called on schedule. Hey, sir.
How's Asia?

Speaker 2 Um, I'm good. I'm good.
Um,

Speaker 2 I so I was just talking to Asia McLean.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 You don't sound very excited.

Speaker 2 I had a

Speaker 2 well, I mean, I I I was I really, you know, uh

Speaker 2 this was not the reaction I expected. I felt like I just interviewed an ivory-billed woodpecker.
But when I told Anon what Asia remembered, instead of being excited, Anon said it was heartbreaking.

Speaker 2 I mean, on a personal level, I'm happy because, in a sense, it's, you know, that I'm not making this up.

Speaker 2 And at least if nothing else, it kind of like, at least someone other than Robia knows that, you know, this did take place.

Speaker 2 Anything that can kind of support what I'm saying to be the truth, that I didn't do this, is great.

Speaker 2 But from a legal perspective, it's like, I wish you would have came to this realization maybe like a year and a half ago. You know what I mean? Because it's kind of like, you know, it'll be

Speaker 2 too late.

Speaker 2 I'm sorry. I mean, I definitely appreciate it, you know, and I definitely kind of hear the elation in your voice tonight.
I feel like I punctured your balloons.

Speaker 2 No, no, I mean, I see, I totally see, I see, I see what you're saying. I hadn't thought about it in that way.

Speaker 2 When I told Robbie I'd talked to Asia, she immediately burst into tears. Because they were all correct.
It was too late. The judge ruled on Adnan's petition a few weeks before I spoke to Asia, denied.

Speaker 2 The judge wrote in his opinion that Christina Gutierrez's decision not to use Asia McLean as an alibi witness was strategic.

Speaker 2 After all, Asia's original letters didn't specify an exact time, and Gutierrez could have reasonably concluded that Asia was offering to lie in order to help Anand.

Speaker 2 And finally, he wrote, Asia's letter contradicted Annan's own alibi. Asia says she saw him at the public library, but Adnan said he was on the school campus the whole afternoon.

Speaker 2 Maybe the judge didn't understand that Woodlawn Library is basically part of the campus, but anyway.

Speaker 2 Asia's story then is legally worthless. A witness who says she saw you at the exact moment when the state contends you were strangling a young woman in a car is worthless.

Speaker 2 A few days after I spoke to Asia, she wrote me an email. I've been thinking a lot about Adnan, she wrote.
All this time, I thought the courts proved it was Adnan that killed her.

Speaker 2 I thought he was where he deserved to be. Now I'm not so sure.
Hay was our friend too, and it sucks feeling like you don't know who really killed your friend. Hey, was the sweetest person ever.

Speaker 2 If he didn't kill Hay, we owe it to him to try to make that clear. And if he did kill her, then we need to put this to rest.

Speaker 2 I just hope that Anand isn't some sick bastard just trying to manipulate his way out of jail.

Speaker 2 I wrote back, believe me, I am on exactly the same page.

Speaker 2 Coming up this season on Serial.

Speaker 6 I think that there are other people involved.

Speaker 2 Like, maybe, I think, maybe he was set up.

Speaker 10 I think he was set up somehow.

Speaker 11 Clearly, you could tell something was going on that wasn't good.

Speaker 2 I mean, it was just strange behavior for anybody. Basically, he threatened me.

Speaker 10 Like, you know, what happened to Hay, this is what's going to happen to you. That's how I felt that day.

Speaker 2 What are you thinking right now? You have the same smile I do. I'm literally thinking, like,

Speaker 2 could he have gone crazy? Shane told me he was being blackmailed by Adnod.

Speaker 2 Because Adnod knew that Jay Jay couldn't go to the police. Like if this works, and he, I mean, every question we've had for the past eight months, he knows it.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 7 who else did it? You know, there's like

Speaker 7 running out of suspects.

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