217: Diabolical Mistress Sets Up Her Husband For Murder?! | The Disturbing Case of Shawna Nelson

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Speaker 4 Hey, True Crime Besties. Welcome back to an all-new episode of Serialessly.

Speaker 4 Hey, everybody. Welcome back to an all-new episode of the True Crime Podcast, Serialessly with me, your host, Annie Elise.

Speaker 4 I hope you guys all had a good weekend and you are ready to be jolted into reality, not only because it's a Monday, but because this case that we're talking about today is definitely gonna jolt you.

Speaker 4 So I don't know whether you are driving or you're cleaning or you're working out, whatever it is you're doing.

Speaker 4 Let's just take a pause, get into a Zen place mentally before we get into it, because it is definitely a doozy of a case, but one that I think is incredibly important that we talk about.

Speaker 4 So I'm going to shut up now, okay? And we're just going to jump right in.

Speaker 4 So on January 23rd, 2007, 37-year-old Heather Guerrero was in the parking lot just outside of the Colorado State Employees Credit Union where she worked.

Speaker 4 She had just finished up her shift for the day and she was ready to head home. Now let me talk to you about Heather because Heather was absolutely beautiful.

Speaker 4 She had this long, wavy dark hair, these full round cheeks, and whenever she smiled, she had little dimples in them.

Speaker 4 She also liked to wear big statement earrings, which, girl, after my own heart, I live for my earrings.

Speaker 4 But she was also very responsible. She wasn't just a teller or some other entry-level worker at this credit union.

Speaker 4 She was a supervisor, one of the rare people who kind of had a knack for getting along with the people she managed, which doesn't really happen in a lot of situations, right?

Speaker 4 I mean, everybody at the office really liked Heather. She was also involved with a local Catholic church called St.
Mary's.

Speaker 4 And it sounds like she took her faith very seriously because Heather always put everybody else before herself. If you ever needed help with something, Heather was there to chip in.

Speaker 4 She cared about making sure that everyone around her was taken care of and just really in a good place. She lived and worked in Greeley, Colorado, which was a small city northeast of Denver.

Speaker 4 And it was big enough to have its own public transit and different local festivals and things, including including the annual Oktoberfest, but it also could be more small town vibes here and there.

Speaker 4 It was kind of the sort of place where everybody knew everyone. Gossip had a way of, you know, spreading like wildfire, which will be very important in this story later.

Speaker 4 But it was kind of a mix between the two. So that evening, Heather hung around the parking lot after work, talking with her coworkers, just starting to unwind from the long day, trying to decompress.

Speaker 4 But then, all of a sudden, this stranger just walked up out of nowhere. And right away, everyone could tell that something just wasn't right here.

Speaker 4 For one thing, the stranger was wearing this black mesh mask, kind of like something that would come with a Halloween costume. They also had on, you know, a black hood or like this robe type thing.

Speaker 4 So they literally looked like the Grim Reaper. And when this person approached, they pulled out a gun.
and they walked right up to Heather. Now, of course, everyone was pretty freaked out by this.

Speaker 4 So they didn't know what to do. And when the Grim Reaper person went up to Heather, they told her, you know, get on your knees.
She was terrified. So she did what she was told.

Speaker 4 She dropped to her knees. I mean, she didn't want to get shot.
Then, once Heather was down, kneeling on the ground on her knees, the Grim Reaper said something to her, like, you ruined my life.

Speaker 4 Then they pulled the trigger twice. Both bullets hit Heather in the head, and right upon that, she just kind of slumped over.
Then this grim Reaper person just ran away.

Speaker 4 So, Heather's coworkers, who were terrified, shocked, just freaking out, they called 911 right away. They said, Somebody had just tried to murder our coworker.
You need to get here fast.

Speaker 4 And the good news in all of this was that she was still alive, but she definitely was not in good condition.

Speaker 6 911, what's the answer to the emergency?

Speaker 5 2505 O'Waddinth Avenue. 250.

Speaker 5 11th Avenue? Yeah,

Speaker 7 somebody's been shot yeah right

Speaker 5 yeah she's on the ground right now it's right around someone yelled at her you ruined my wife in the mask and just shot her and ran where did they go are they on foot they're on foot and they're hitting hitting east or hitting south

Speaker 5 and they're wearing all black kind of like a trench coat um

Speaker 5 they have like a mask on

Speaker 5 I don't want to follow them.

Speaker 7 No, no, definitely don't. So are you with the team now?

Speaker 5 How old is she? I am. She is like 30 foot thick.
30 six.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Okay.
She's not moving at all. She's not moving? She's not moving at all.
She's not breathing.

Speaker 5 Oh, she's not. There's a bunch of people.
She worked here. She was like all over.

Speaker 7 Is she conscious? She is not conscious.

Speaker 5 No. Is she breathing at all? I don't think so, no.

Speaker 7 Okay.

Speaker 5 Sir, do you know how to do CPR at all? No, I do not.

Speaker 7 Okay, I want to, is anybody out there that can?

Speaker 5 No, there is no one out there that can.

Speaker 7 she's on her she's on her stomach she's on her stomach yes where was she shot yes she was shot twice where was she shot where's what i see blood coming out of the stake area maybe in the head um

Speaker 5 okay i'm not sure i can't see i can't tell all right somebody else is getting them on the way sir i'm gonna try and hold her if we can to get secret inserted on her if it's possible all right okay let me let me give me one go here do what all right let me get things on

Speaker 5 okay what do you want me to do okay so is she on her stomach sir yes she's on her stomach.

Speaker 7 Okay, I need you to roll her over if you can and make sure her airway is open, okay?

Speaker 5 Okay, I'll just hold her. Let's get the phone down.

Speaker 5 What is giving a phone? He's like,

Speaker 5 yes,

Speaker 5 sorry.

Speaker 5 Nicole, and I see Alex Porter. You get a subject info on you.

Speaker 5 What the fuck?

Speaker 5 There's too much blood. There's someone else here helping.

Speaker 5 What do you mean?

Speaker 5 There's just blood everywhere? Okay, and you're sure she's not breathing at all.

Speaker 5 Is she breathing? Because we're checking.

Speaker 7 I want you to get down by her and see if you can feel any air coming from her mouth or see her chest rise and fall.

Speaker 5 No, I don't know. I don't see anything.

Speaker 5 I see nothing. Okay.
I don't know if you're a chest moving. I don't see any air coming from her.

Speaker 8 Okay, well, I'm going to tell you how to give her mouth to mouth.

Speaker 7 Do you think you can do that?

Speaker 5 What's that?

Speaker 7 Can you help her with mouth? Can you do mouth to mouth?

Speaker 7 Do you want to try that?

Speaker 5 I don't fucking know.

Speaker 7 Anybody there?

Speaker 5 I don't think

Speaker 5 I'm going to go. Oh, nobody here.

Speaker 7 Nobody wants to do mouth to mouth? No. I can help anybody that would be willing to try and help her.

Speaker 8 If anybody can hold mouth to mouth, I know all.

Speaker 5 Well, she had to have a mask because she doesn't want to do that.

Speaker 5 There's blood all over her face.

Speaker 7 Okay, so nobody there is willing to do mouth to mouth? No.

Speaker 7 And you said she was shot twice. Yeah, I heard two shots.

Speaker 7 And the light is coming from her face.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it's

Speaker 7 okay, sir. It's okay.
I've got people on the way, okay?

Speaker 5 All right, thanks a lot.

Speaker 5 Oh, here's a copyright.

Speaker 5 Okay.

Speaker 5 All right. All right.

Speaker 7 I'm going to go ahead and let you go, okay, sir.

Speaker 5 All right, okay. Thank you.

Speaker 4 Now, after listening to this clip, I do want to say it would be really easy to hate on Heather's coworkers for not even being willing to try to do mouth-to-mouth, right?

Speaker 4 That 911 operator was practically begging them to try and save her and give it a shot, and they just wouldn't.

Speaker 4 But again, as tempting as it would be to, you know, trash them now in hindsight, I do think that everybody who witnessed the shooting was freaked out and wanted to help Heather.

Speaker 4 And I don't think that they were refusing to do CPR because they wanted her to die, but more so because they were just in shock and truly just freaking out.

Speaker 4 I mean, you can tell from the guy's tone of voice on that call, they were distraught. And people don't always respond perfectly in stressful situations.
We know that.

Speaker 4 So, as much as I wish that somebody would have stepped up and been the hero in that situation, you know, somebody who happened to also have perfect medical training and could save her life, I don't even know if that would have been possible.

Speaker 4 But again, everyone who was on the scene was trying to help Heather. There was even another 911 call that was placed at the same time as that first one.

Speaker 4 Is there somebody hurt? Yes! He's on my ground, Heather Carroll.

Speaker 4 Husband's a cop.

Speaker 4 Oh my god. Oh

Speaker 4 Where's the person in the church? That man went in the alley and up there in a hot tone

Speaker 4 black top with a yuttening alley.

Speaker 4 They went down the back line.

Speaker 4 Oh my gosh. Were they nailed? Oh no, Marlene had it complete.
It's like Halloween rolls on. And something, oh my god, there's someone walked.

Speaker 4 Oh my god. Okay, they went behind the alley.
I need you to tell me what's going on.

Speaker 8 The person just ran down the alley. Um,

Speaker 8 south down behind the businesses here on 11th Avenue.

Speaker 8 There's no way to tell me what if they were in a black. Okay, are you with the person that was shot?

Speaker 8 I need you. Are you with the person that was shot?

Speaker 8 Calm down, and I need you to tell me what is going on.

Speaker 8 I don't care. We just came out of work.
Okay, where is the person going on?

Speaker 8 Oh, my God.

Speaker 8 Ma'am.

Speaker 8 Ma'am. Ma'am, I need you to tell me what is going on.
Where is the person that was shot?

Speaker 8 On the ground. Is it male or female? Damn!

Speaker 8 And the ground

Speaker 8 to the cops.

Speaker 8 You know what I mean, Brown? It's that stupid bus. Okay, we have someone online talking to the patient, okay? Do you know who it was?

Speaker 8 Ma'am, I want to see it. Ma'am, what is your name?

Speaker 8 What is your name? Nicole, and I see Lawyer Court.

Speaker 8 Okay, Okay, Nicole, what is the football that you're calling me from? 424.

Speaker 8 Okay, we do have everybody on their way to help you.

Speaker 8 Nicole.

Speaker 8 Nicole, are you with the patient now?

Speaker 8 I'm sorry. Are you with the patient now?

Speaker 8 Yes, but I'm

Speaker 8 one of the people that works with those.

Speaker 8 Oh, gosh, what's going on? People are trying to help her.

Speaker 8 I think, Brad, are you on the call 911 too? Okay, can you speak with her?

Speaker 4 Okay. So it definitely seemed like it was a very high urgency situation.
Multiple 911 calls were being made.

Speaker 4 People were trying to frantically figure out what to do to help Heather, although they were not doing CPR.

Speaker 4 But even with everybody calling for ambulances right away and trying to get Heather that help, she ended up dying within the next half hour.

Speaker 4 And even though this happened right in front of that credit union where she worked, the cops were pretty confident right off the bat that this was not at all about money.

Speaker 4 It wasn't some sort of bank robbery gone wrong, nothing like this, because remember, this grim Reaper person told Heather, you ruined my life. This was targeted.

Speaker 4 This wasn't some get rich quick, rob a bank, shoot the casualties, nothing like that.

Speaker 4 It seemed pretty obvious that the murderer, whoever they were, had targeted Heather specifically and intentionally. So now the question became whether Heather had any enemies or not.

Speaker 4 Anybody who might want to hurt her. So the police started by taking a look at her home life.

Speaker 4 Heather had a nine-year-old daughter named Victoria, and she was also married to a police officer named Ignacio Guerreros. He went by Ig for short.

Speaker 4 Now, of course, anytime a woman gets murdered, I mean, stay with me, guys, you know where I'm going with this. You always look at the husband.

Speaker 4 You also look at the boyfriend, whoever the partner is first, if there's an affair, you always look to those people first.

Speaker 4 So it obviously made sense to treat her husband, Igg, as a suspect in this case, because he might have had a motive to want to kill his wife or hurt her. And in fact, he did.

Speaker 4 See, from the outside, he seemed like a loving husband and father. He was really involved in his daughter, Victoria's life.
But the problem was, and this is key, he was having an affair.

Speaker 4 It began a little more than three years earlier in 2004. Now, the other woman named Shauna Nelson was working as a 911 dispatcher.

Speaker 4 Now, since she was always sending police officers to respond to different emergency calls, she naturally had to get to know all of these different officers, including Igg.

Speaker 4 Now, Shauna was in her early 30s. She was curvy, she had long blonde hair, but at first, Igg wasn't attracted to Shauna.
The two of them just kind of got along as work friends and that kind of vibe.

Speaker 4 They also, though, had a lot in common. They liked to go to the same kinds of places, whether that was shopping at the same stores, relaxing at the same kind of places, you name it.

Speaker 4 And then once they knew each other through work, Igg started noticing that he had started seeing Shauna all the time. So he would always go up to her and say, hey, how are you doing?

Speaker 4 That kind of thing. It just happened very naturally.
They were always in the same place at the same time. Then they had this work relationship and just this connection started to form.

Speaker 4 So the more time that went on, the more they kept seeing each other. And after that, Igg and Shauna.
started opening up more about what things were going on in their lives.

Speaker 4 As it turned out, Igg's marriage was going through somewhat of a rocky patch. He and Heather were struggling a little bit.
So Igg told Shauna about how hard everything was with his wife.

Speaker 4 And she admitted, you know, hey, I know exactly what you're going through because me and my husband, we're having a very difficult time as well.

Speaker 4 Shauna had been married to a man named Ken Nelson for eight years. They had been married since 1996.
He was also a police officer, but their relationship. relationship had not exactly been glamorous.

Speaker 4 When they got married, their wedding ceremony was in the backyard of a friend's house, which is great. It's personal, it's cozy.

Speaker 4 And I'm not sure about the dates, but given that Ken and Shauna had an eight-year-old and a nine-year-old by their eighth anniversary, it does sound like Shauna was either pregnant when she got married or she got pregnant right afterward.

Speaker 4 So it sounds entirely possible that Shauna maybe got married way too young and under circumstances that could have been less than ideal.

Speaker 4 And now, eight years later, the pressure was getting to both her and Ken. Their foundation was cracking.
Things weren't good.

Speaker 4 So after they continued seeing each other and opening up to one another and developing this relationship, she got into the habit where every time she saw Igg, she would talk about how bad things were with her husband.

Speaker 4 And then, in return, he would talk about how bad things were between he and Heather, his wife.

Speaker 4 They were just venting back and forth, and also kind of getting to feeling like they understood each other in a way that nobody else did.

Speaker 4 And after some time, those feelings of friendship turned more romantic. And before long, they were sleeping together.
Now, Igg and Shauna also did a terrible job of hiding what they were up to, okay?

Speaker 4 I mean, at least from their coworkers, because pretty much everyone knew that there was something going on between the two of them.

Speaker 4 However, they did do a better job of stopping their spouses from finding out about the affair. They were able to hide it from them.

Speaker 4 And one of the ways they did this was by disguising who they were talking to. For example, Shauna had Igg saved in her phone under the name Omar.

Speaker 4 That was because she had a coworker named Omar, but she never really talked to him outside of work.

Speaker 4 So the idea was that if her husband ever saw her getting, you know, all of these phone calls, all these text messages from somebody named Omar, she could just explain it away as something from work.

Speaker 4 And as for Igg, he would go out and he would buy flowers for his wife Heather just because. Then he would show up at her place of work at the credit union, just unannounced and give her the flowers.

Speaker 4 Almost like it's like, oh my gosh, your husband, he's so thoughtful.

Speaker 4 It's just because flowers, he's popping into your work, just kind of seemingly making it seem, I don't know if that makes sense, seemingly making it seem as though he is like the gold star husband.

Speaker 4 Now, in the moment, it probably seemed like this really sweet, romantic thing to do.

Speaker 4 But I also have to imagine that part of his motivation for doing all of this would be to help himself feel less guilty for having the affair.

Speaker 4 Because as bad as things were between Igg and Heather and between Shauna and Ken, As much as Shauna and Igg were whining and complaining about how their marriages were just falling apart, none of of them actually wanted to get a divorce.

Speaker 4 They were kind of trying to make it work.

Speaker 4 And I say kind of because I think if you really want to have a good marriage, one big key is to not go sneaking around behind your partner's back and lying about it, right? But again, what do I know?

Speaker 4 So, anyway, Igg and Shauna were having sex and having this affair for literal years.

Speaker 4 And the whole time, he was just lying to his wife about it. And Shauna was lying to her husband.
They were just hiding everything. And then get this.
At one point, Shauna got pregnant with Igg's baby.

Speaker 9 Almost the very first thing out of Igg's mouth was,

Speaker 9 we need to take care of this.

Speaker 10 Did you discuss an abortion?

Speaker 9 Yes, we did.

Speaker 10 Did you wish to have an abortion?

Speaker 9 No, not at first, I didn't.

Speaker 10 What was the nature of the discussion? How would you characterize the discussion? Without

Speaker 10 indicating what Mr. Garris said was...

Speaker 9 I kind of always told myself that that would not ever be an option for me.

Speaker 10 Did you decide to have an abortion?

Speaker 9 It talked me into having an abortion.

Speaker 4 But then in 2005, she got pregnant again.

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Speaker 4 Now, I don't know, guys, if you're cheating and you get pregnant twice in less than two years, maybe it's time to look into options of not getting pregnant.

Speaker 4 I don't know, whether that's birth control, vasectomy, condoms, whatever it is. But, like, maybe it's time to be a little bit more responsible.

Speaker 4 But whatever the issue was, this time around, Shauna put her foot down.

Speaker 4 She said that she wanted to keep the baby and she wasn't going to be able to try and pass it off as Ken's or anything else because you see, it was now getting to a point where Shauna and Igg could not keep things a secret for a whole lot longer.

Speaker 4 Both of their spouses were getting suspicious. Heather kept asking Igg why he was working late so often.
Why did he keep slipping out of the house in the middle of the night?

Speaker 4 She knew that it wasn't for work, so she was trusting her intuition. She was asking him, what's really going on? And at some point, Ken found Shauna's diary just laying out in the open.

Speaker 4 So he went into it and he flipped through it, which I gotta say is not a good move, Ken. Snooping just isn't right.

Speaker 4 But right or wrong, Ken saw all of these things that she had written about about how when she was with Igg. So he knew at least some details and about their relationship to some degree.

Speaker 4 I don't know if it was clear to him exactly how long the affair had been going on or how far things had gone, but he definitely knew something.

Speaker 4 So basically, Ken and Heather were now asking questions to their spouses, but they weren't liking the answers that Shauna and Igg were giving them.

Speaker 4 So that's when Shauna and Igg decided to just come clean. Not entirely out of the goodness of their hearts, though, obviously, right?

Speaker 4 But more so because they didn't really have a whole lot of choice anymore. Now, of course, Heather and Ken were both very, very upset.

Speaker 4 And it probably didn't help that when Shauna's son, Christian, was born, she put Igg's name down on the birth certificate, not her husband's. She was identifying this as Igg's baby.

Speaker 4 So there was a whole legal mess where Igg had to go to court and say that the baby was his, but that he didn't have any intention of being a father to him. He didn't expect or want custody.

Speaker 4 Then Ken had to go and file to adopt his own wife's son. I mean, it was a disaster.
But somehow, some way, they worked everything out. Both married couples decided to stay together.

Speaker 4 And to all appearances, everyone was handling everything like truly a very mature adult, way more mature than I would ever be in a situation like that. So that should have been the end of it, right?

Speaker 4 But obviously, it wasn't. Because here everyone was now a few months later, and Heather was dead.

Speaker 4 So you might be hearing this and thinking, okay, Igg definitely had a motive to want Heather out of the way.

Speaker 4 He didn't want a divorce for whatever reason, but he might have still wanted to be done with her. And we also know he wasn't happy in his marriage, given all of the cheating.

Speaker 4 He also had the means to carry this out. He was a police officer after all.
So he definitely had access to guns and knew how to shoot them.

Speaker 4 And it wouldn't have been that hard for him to pull up to the credit union when Heather got off work. But Igg wasn't the only person who had a motive to want Heather dead.
Not at all.

Speaker 4 Shauna's husband, Ken, also knew about the affair, and he wouldn't be the first person to find out that their wife was cheating on him and decide that murder was the only solution.

Speaker 4 I don't know why Ken would want to take his anger out on Heather though, the other innocent person in this situation, you know, rather than take his anger out on Shauna or Igg, who were the actual cheaters, but it's not like these kinds of crimes are always driven by logic either.

Speaker 4 Plus, there was a decent amount of evidence that pointed at Ken as the likely murderer. First, he was a bit of a gun nut.
He loved going to ranges for fun.

Speaker 4 He owned a bunch of personal guns, in addition to the one that had been issued to him, of course, when he became a cop as a police officer.

Speaker 4 But also, and probably the most damning piece of evidence pointing directly at Ken, was that the person in that Grim Reaper getup who drove up to the credit union in a truck that belonged to both Ken and Shauna.

Speaker 4 Technically, it was both of theirs. But Shauna didn't really like driving it because it wasn't a very smooth ride.

Speaker 4 There was another car that she basically treated, you know, as her car, and she and Ken both considered the truck to be Ken's truck.

Speaker 4 And Heather's co-workers had no way of knowing these other details I'm about to share at the time, because they obviously didn't know what Ken's closet looked like or what kind of clothing he owned.

Speaker 4 But if they did, they would have known that that black outfit that the Grim Reaper was wearing wasn't just something that they had picked up at a Halloween store or something like that.

Speaker 4 The shooter also had on Ken's socks, his underwear, a baseball cap that was his, and a pair of men's shoes, which the killer killer actually left not too far from the scene, which the police later found.

Speaker 4 So basically, even though they went to all of this trouble covering up their face and everything else, it was just screaming, Ken did this. He was wearing his clothes, driving his truck.
This was Ken.

Speaker 4 And it did not look good for him at all. But when the police officers started interviewing his friends, his coworkers, and basically everyone who knew him, they all said something odd.

Speaker 4 None of them even seemed to be considering the possibility that he might have done something to Heather.

Speaker 4 In fact, the witnesses all said that when the shooter said that Heather needed to get on her knees and then said, You ruined my life, it sounded like it was a woman speaking.

Speaker 4 One of the witnesses also said that he could tell that the shooter was a woman based on the way that she moved.

Speaker 16 You've indicated when the person left

Speaker 16 that they left in a particular manner. Were they running or walking?

Speaker 18 Or It was a jog/slash walk.

Speaker 5 Okay.

Speaker 18 Heavy said woman hasn't ran in a while.

Speaker 18 Tell by the feminine run.

Speaker 5 Okay.

Speaker 5 Like waddling almost.

Speaker 4 And you hear the same thing from that other co-worker who called 911, the woman who was so freaked out that the dispatcher could barely understand her.

Speaker 4 Once she calmed down enough to say what had happened, she also said that she thought that this shooter was a woman. Can I hear this?

Speaker 8 Tell me, tell me, people weren't gloves.

Speaker 8 There was one person and she came out from nowhere. Okay, is that an email that did the shooting? What?

Speaker 8 Was it a female that did the shooting? Well, female or female. We don't know.

Speaker 8 They said it was a female.

Speaker 8 Dark hair.

Speaker 8 There's a witness here that saw her running down the alley. Stay there.
Okay. Okay.

Speaker 5 All right, stay going. Are you going along? Okay.

Speaker 5 Okay, she's not going anywhere.

Speaker 8 She's going to stay here. She must have been down the alley where the person ran.

Speaker 8 Oh, my God. Oh, my God.
Do you know what she did with the gun?

Speaker 8 I don't know. I think she took it with her.

Speaker 7 And it was a female with long stark hair?

Speaker 8 Well, I know. I don't know what she looks like.
All I know is she was in a completely black robe and

Speaker 8 a set and a Halloween.

Speaker 8 And

Speaker 8 she had like black stuff over her face. But I don't know if this woman that's over here.

Speaker 8 Oh my god. Oh my god.
Oh my god. Oh my god.

Speaker 8 Was she running south down the alley? Yes.

Speaker 8 Was she alone?

Speaker 8 She was alone. She was what?

Speaker 8 She was alone. She was alone.
There was nobody else with her?

Speaker 8 She leave on foot or in a vehicle.

Speaker 8 Did she leave on foot or in a vehicle? On foot. She came on foot and left on foot.
Okay.

Speaker 8 That way, but there were in a blocked Halloween road. This woman just saw the woman.
This woman right here is a glass there.

Speaker 8 She saw it. This lady right here, excuse me, ma'am.
This is right here. Is there an officer there? Like she's like, hey, look, he's there, an officer.

Speaker 8 I'm not thinking I can tell you. Nicole.

Speaker 8 Nicole.

Speaker 8 Are you talking to an officer there? I'm talking to a police officer, yes. I'm going to let you go.
You go ahead and talk to him, Jane. Okay, thank you.
Thank you, Monica.

Speaker 4 Plus, the police found some DNA on the bullet casings that they found out by the credit union where Heather was shot. Now, the bad news was these bullet casings got really hot when the gun fired.

Speaker 4 The heat was bad enough that it damaged the DNA a little bit. It didn't destroy it entirely, but the police couldn't match it to any one specific person.
It wasn't in good enough condition.

Speaker 4 They could tell some things, though, about whoever had held those bullets and loaded them into the gun, namely that the person was in fact female. So, again, it now, it couldn't be Ken.

Speaker 4 It couldn't be Igg.

Speaker 4 And on top of all of that, before Heather was killed, Heather actually told a bunch of her friends, including her family members, that she was afraid of her husband's mistress, aka Shauna.

Speaker 4 As it turns out, Shauna was extremely suspicious in a lot of other ways too.

Speaker 4 Now, I want to go back a little bit and talk more about Shauna's affair with Igg, because as it turns out, there was way more to it than what I covered already.

Speaker 4 And to put it very, very simply from the beginning, Shauna was completely obsessed with Igg. Okay, so Shauna's obsession with Igg was like completely unhinged.

Speaker 4 It was to a degree that Shauna actually couldn't accept it when he decided to break things off. So yeah, it was Igg who made the call that they were going to end things.

Speaker 4 Shauna came clean to Ken when she got pregnant with Igg's baby, but from the sounds of it, she was actually hoping to break up with Ken and to get together with Igg and that they would raise the baby together.

Speaker 4 She was hoping they would start the divorce proceedings and everything else. Igg was the one who came back to Shauna though and said that actually he was gonna stay with his wife.

Speaker 4 Now Shauna and Ken had already started their own divorce proceedings, and they only got back together once she realized that, you know, marrying Igg or even dating him was completely off the table.

Speaker 4 But even then, Shauna wasn't done with Igg. Not by a long shot.
And it started getting downright scary. So Shauna's becoming unhinged, just truly obsessed with Igg.

Speaker 4 She's pissed off that he's not leaving his wife for her, despite the fact that she's pregnant. And he tells her, look, I'm not divorcing my wife.

Speaker 4 I'm remaining married and I don't want anything to do with this son. You and Ken can raise it.
So she freaks out and starts to become undone.

Speaker 4 And she started sending him text after text, just begging him to take her back and love her and be with her. And then when he kept refusing, she started threatening him.

Speaker 4 She would send him messages like, My loyalty is gone. I loved and trusted you and you fucked me.
Be prepared. Just a few hours later, she sent another text message which read, You have no heart.

Speaker 4 She even tracked down Heather's numbers and started sending unhinged text messages to her as well.

Speaker 4 For example, Shauna would taunt Heather by sending her photos of their baby, baby Christian, the baby that Shauna had with Igg.

Speaker 4 And she would put the caption on the picture, quote, Igg's flesh and blood, just trying to incite rage on Heather's behalf.

Speaker 4 Shauna even left voicemails for Igg and Heather, and those voicemails, they weren't as threatening and disturbing as the texts, but her tone?

Speaker 4 I mean, this clip that I'm gonna play for you is pretty unsettling, not because of what Shauna said, but because of how angry she sounded when she said it. Take a listen.

Speaker 17 You have one old method. Monday.
Hey, sad, DM.

Speaker 17 I'm getting an attorney tomorrow, and I will get a DMA test, and you will pay me monthly. Do you think that you guys have no money now? You're really going to have no money later.

Speaker 4 And dog, you have to do it.

Speaker 4 Now, again, I know that the specific things that Shauna said in that voicemail weren't quite as bad as the text messages, but it's safe to say that I'm not the only one who thinks that it sounded off.

Speaker 4 Igg and Heather even had their numbers changed so that they could make it more difficult for Shauna to reach them. But it actually did not discourage her.

Speaker 4 Shauna was one of those people who apparently could just could not take the loss and move on and let it go, not at all. She kept finding ways to contact Igg and Heather.

Speaker 4 One time, Igg found a note that somebody had even left in Heather's car. The note just said, You will die.

Speaker 4 Now, Igg didn't have any way of proving that Shauna had written that note, but given everything else that she was texting to him and to Heather, it wasn't too hard for him to, you know, make an educated guess.

Speaker 4 Shauna was just acting incredibly possessive and unhinged, and it really does sound like, to some degree, she thought that she and Igg were meant to be together, like they were soulmates or something.

Speaker 4 And maybe, in her mind, that justified her behavior a little bit.

Speaker 10 During your relationship with Mr. Garris, did you have a tattoo placed on your ankle?

Speaker 9 I did.

Speaker 10 And

Speaker 10 does that refer to Mr. Garris?

Speaker 9 It does.

Speaker 10 And what is the word that is tattooed on your ankle?

Speaker 9 It says Inyaki.

Speaker 10 Okay.

Speaker 10 And what what did you understand that to mean?

Speaker 9 He had told me that it was Basque for Ignacio.

Speaker 10 Okay. Why did you do that? Why did you have that tattoo put on?

Speaker 9 I have several tattoos.

Speaker 9 With my first husband, I had a tribal tattoo put on my back.

Speaker 9 It's just kind of my belief of tattoos is that's the kind of way

Speaker 9 that I show

Speaker 9 my life story. So I had that put on my back for my first husband.
Ken and I had matching tattoos.

Speaker 9 Mine was of a flower. His was of a symbol on his arm.
And then both of them said KSDJ for Ken, Shawna, Dylan, and Jordan.

Speaker 9 And then after this abortion happened,

Speaker 9 to me, it kind of was symbolizing a time in my life.

Speaker 9 So I put that on my ankle.

Speaker 4 So in light of what these tattoos represented to Shauna, you know, all the significance that they had, did Ken not once think that it was weird that she was getting another man's name put on her ankle?

Speaker 4 Did she have some sort of way of explaining it? I don't know. I do know, though, that once Igg realized what Shauna had done, he was super freaked out.

Speaker 4 He was like, wow, you're clearly a lot more committed to this affair than I am.

Speaker 6 Did you ever ask her to get this tattoo?

Speaker 3 Uh, no.

Speaker 6 What was your reaction when she showed it to you?

Speaker 3 It disturbed me.

Speaker 17 Why?

Speaker 3 She altered her body

Speaker 3 with my name

Speaker 17 on

Speaker 3 what

Speaker 3 I guess it's hard. Why would someone alter their body?

Speaker 3 We had

Speaker 3 not that type of relationship. Why the heck would she put her my name on her body?

Speaker 4 So clearly, after he and Shauna broke up, there was a mismatch there, a huge miscommunication.

Speaker 4 Shauna thought that she and Igg were going to be together forever, yet Igg was signaling that he wanted nothing to do with her anymore. He wanted to make things work with his wife, Heather.

Speaker 4 And then you have this killer who sounds like she has a woman's voice. She apparently runs like a heavyset woman.

Speaker 4 She's singling Heather out, saying she ruined her life and saying, Get on your knees, and then shooting her. All signs point to Shauna, right?

Speaker 4 The only problem with that theory was all of the evidence against Ken that I talked about before, how the shooter was wearing his clothes, driving his truck.

Speaker 4 However, the police then started doing a little bit of digging, and they came up with a new theory that explained all of that away.

Speaker 4 So the thinking was that Shauna may have framed her own husband, Ken, for killing Heather.

Speaker 4 That way, Ken would go away to prison, and Heather would be dead, and Shauna and Igg would be free to be together.

Speaker 4 In this scenario, Shauna took Ken's truck and drove it to the credit union to commit this murder, which, to remind you, was actually Ken and Shauna's truck together. They both shared it.

Speaker 4 They owned it together. And even though Shauna didn't like driving it, it's not like it would have been difficult for her to get access to it or like she didn't know how to drive it at all.

Speaker 4 She also wouldn't have a hard time getting her hands on one of Ken's guns, which he kept in their home.

Speaker 4 I don't know for sure if she used one of his guns or not because the murder weapon was never recovered, but if she did, it might have been because she was thinking that it would be okay if the police did the ballistics tests, that all of the results would then lead them once again back to Ken, not to her.

Speaker 4 And the theory goes that she wore Ken's clothing too, all in hopes that somebody would recognize the items and think that he did it.

Speaker 4 I don't know why this framing plan was so detailed that she felt like she had to wear Ken's socks and underwear, because I don't think men's socks tend to be super distinctive and somebody's going to recognize them, but maybe she thought that the gun residue would get on some of them.

Speaker 4 Maybe she thought that some of Heather's DNA and that if they came and did a search warrant of the house, they would find the blood or DNA or gunshot residue on Ken's clothing. Who really knows?

Speaker 4 But I mean, it was meticulous, right? Now, I don't want to make it sound like the police were just going off of hunches or theories either.

Speaker 4 So far, the witnesses all said that they thought that the shooter sounded like a woman. But we know, of course, that that's not enough on its own to prove that Shauna did it.
Not at all.

Speaker 4 However, it was enough for the police to put out a notice that all of the officers who were on duty should all watch out for Shauna and for Shauna's truck.

Speaker 4 Now, like I mentioned before, Shauna's husband Ken was a police officer, just like Igg.

Speaker 4 Igg was off duty, relaxing at home with his daughter Victoria, when he got a phone call from one of Heather's co-workers.

Speaker 4 She told him everything that she had witnessed, and Igg could not even believe it.

Speaker 3 I needed to know what was going on with Heather.

Speaker 6 Did you take Victoria with you?

Speaker 3 Yes, I couldn't leave her home alone.

Speaker 6 And when you got to the credit union, was your wife there?

Speaker 3 Excuse me.

Speaker 6 Was your wife at the credit union when you arrived on that scene?

Speaker 3 I'm under the assumption she was.

Speaker 6 Did you see her at that time? No.

Speaker 3 I was stopped.

Speaker 6 At some point in time, did you go to the hospital?

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 6 Did you drive there yourself or did somebody drive you?

Speaker 3 No,

Speaker 3 I left my vehicle out at the credit union. They had Mike Mike Zeller, a sergeant with the police department, a friend of mine, loaded Victoria and I up and took us to Northern Colorado Medical Center.

Speaker 6 How did you find out about the status of your wife?

Speaker 3 Being a police officer, I knew the back door code to the ER. I knew where the trauma room was.

Speaker 3 And I went directly to the trauma room. room.
And a doctor that's a friend of mine was treating Heather, and he blocked my entrance into Peter Maxwell, who blocked my entrance into the trauma room.

Speaker 6 Did you find out?

Speaker 3 He told me Heather was dead.

Speaker 4 Then Ken was on duty when he heard this voice come over the walkie-talkie saying that Shauna was wanted in relation to a violent crime. And at first, it just didn't make any sense to him.

Speaker 4 He's like, What are you talking about? Why am I hearing that my wife is wanted for a violent crime? What's going on?

Speaker 4 He couldn't think of why anyone would be putting a police bulletin out for his wife, Shauna.

Speaker 4 But then, his second thought was that even though he didn't understand what was going on, whatever it was was bad, and it could affect his family.

Speaker 4 So he was worried that his children might be in danger somehow.

Speaker 4 It's not clear why exactly he thought that, but I guess he was just going off impulse, almost thinking like, if she's in a bad enough situation and desperate, anything could happen.

Speaker 4 She could be capable of anything. So he decided to drive home to check on his three children, Dylan, Jordan, and of course little baby Christian, who Ken at this point had adopted.

Speaker 4 But before he could get into his house, he actually drove by his own truck that was out on the street. He of course recognized it, and he knew that his wife Shauna had to be inside.

Speaker 4 Which, what a wild coincidence, right?

Speaker 4 All of these police officers were out searching for Shauna in this exact truck, and then the person who found her and found the truck was the one officer who wasn't looking for her at all.

Speaker 4 It was her husband who was just trying to drive home and find his kids. But anyway, keep in mind, Ken and his partner were still in their squad car at this point.

Speaker 4 So when they saw the truck, they put on their lights, put on their sirens, and they pulled Shauna over. And Ken ran up to the driver's seat and he just screamed at her, what have you done?

Speaker 4 Just freaking out. And he was so angry, in fact, that his partner was worried that he might hurt Shauna.
He actually ran over to the car himself to protect her from Ken.

Speaker 4 And then, Ken and his partner arrested Shauna. The partner drove her back to the station in his squad car, and Ken took the truck and drove off.

Speaker 4 And I know it's super weird that they left him alone with a truck that's evidence in a murder case where the wife is the suspect, but Ken was still acting really worried about his kids, and he sounded like he just wanted to get home right away.

Speaker 4 His partner felt really bad for him. He had empathy for him, so he just let him go.

Speaker 4 Then, when some police officers searched the truck later on, they found that grim Reaper mask and the black cape inside of it.

Speaker 4 This all perfectly matched everything that the witnesses saw the shooter wearing. But one thing that they never found was the murder weapon.

Speaker 4 And I've got to say, the whole story behind this is shady AF.

Speaker 4 So when Ken was supposed to be driving home to go check on his kids, he actually pulled over at the side of the road somewhere out of the way.

Speaker 4 There were a bunch of high school students in the area and they saw Ken get out of the truck. Then they saw him reach back inside the truck and grab something.

Speaker 4 Those high school students didn't have the best view, so they couldn't say for sure what he took or what he did with the thing that he grabbed afterward.

Speaker 4 But given how the murder weapon was so conveniently never recovered and went missing, it definitely was not a good look for Ken.

Speaker 4 And it's wild to me to think that he might have helped his wife cover up a murder, especially right after she basically tried to frame him for the murder.

Speaker 4 Now, I guess in his defense, at this point in time, if he did throw the gun, he didn't know that she was trying to frame him yet, but it was still just just a very bizarre move on his part, whatever happened.

Speaker 4 I mean, I get that he loved Shauna, but for this woman to basically stab him in the back over and over and over again, first with the affair, then with this frame-up, and for him to keep just standing by her after all of this, it's pretty mind-blowing, right?

Speaker 4 But it's also entirely possible that Ken was just panicking and that he wasn't trying to help her at all.

Speaker 4 Maybe he really was trying to drive back home and then he saw the gun in the truck and realized it was one of his, so he needed to get rid of it.

Speaker 4 And maybe he had some sort of, you know, knee-jerk reaction like, oh, I don't know. I just got to toss this.
I got to dump it. Who can really say? It was a huge mess.

Speaker 4 And Ken actually did eventually get arrested for evidence tampering, but nobody ended up pressing charges because they didn't have any proof that he really did take the gun.

Speaker 4 He also ended up quitting the police force entirely, but it's not clear to me if this was an entirely voluntary resignation or if this was one of those, you know, hey, you got to resign, you got to quit, and we'll give you your pension or we're going to fire you.

Speaker 4 I don't know what kind of situation it was. But either way, the missing gun was less than helpful for the murder investigation.
However, the mask and the clothing in the car, it did help a little bit.

Speaker 4 Plus, let's talk more about those black men's shoes. Because remember how I said the shooter was wearing a Halloween mask and a cloak over some of Ken's clothing and underwear?

Speaker 4 Well, the killer was also wearing men's shoes, but these men's shoes were not Ken's.

Speaker 4 Now, I'm guessing this was just more stupid, nonsensical decision-making on her part, but Shauna probably has different size feet from Ken. I don't know for sure.

Speaker 4 Nobody was reporting on her shoe size when she got arrested, but very generally, men tend to have bigger feet than women, so it does seem safe to assume.

Speaker 4 And if you've ever put on a pair of shoes that are a size or two, you know, too big, you know it's basically impossible to walk around.

Speaker 4 You can't shoot someone, then run away from the scene of a crime in shoes that don't really fit you.

Speaker 4 So my assumption here, keeping in mind that this is all speculation, is that Shauna bought a pair of men's shoes in her own size so that she could still move around and walk and, you know, be, what is that word I'm looking for, like agile as she's committing this crime.

Speaker 4 Then if anybody happened to glance down and look at her feet, they would see that there are men's shoes, not women's shoes, so it would help her keep up appearances that Ken was the real killer.

Speaker 4 But instead, they were basically just one more piece of evidence for the police to use against her.

Speaker 4 And that's because they found the shoes on the road midway between the place where Heather got shot and where Shauna was pulled over. Right there, on the side of the road on her escape route.

Speaker 4 The shoes had Shauna's DNA all over them, and they also had gunshot residue on them. So even though you were trying to be really smart there, Shauna, not so much.

Speaker 4 Now, on top of all of that, the investigators eventually found a witness who was an absolute goldmine. It was Shauna's best friend, Michelle Moore.

Speaker 4 Now, Michelle was a police officer, and Shauna knew her through work. And honestly, that sounds like that was the only way that Shauna really met anybody.
It's how she and Igg first got introduced.

Speaker 4 I don't know if that's how she met her husband Ken, but since he was a cop too, it's possible. But anyway, Michelle and Shauna had known each other for years.

Speaker 4 Actually, for even longer than Shauna had known Igg. And even though Michelle knew Shauna was having an affair and trying to keep everything covered up, she stood by her best friend through all of it.

Speaker 4 And as a crime scene investigator, Michelle knew all about what the police look for when they're trying to solve a crime. This meant that she knew how to cover up a crime, at least in theory.

Speaker 4 Now, given what a shitty job Shauna did framing her husband, I've got to think that neither one of them really knew what they were doing if Michelle was in fact helping her.

Speaker 4 I do know though that before Shauna shot Heather, Shauna went to Michelle and she asked her all sorts of questions. All these questions about what was the best way to kill somebody and not get caught?

Speaker 4 How can you set somebody else up to take the fall? Things like that. So Michelle gave Shauna all those tips.
But again, it didn't work out too well for her.

Speaker 4 So once the police figured out that Michelle was involved, they pulled her into an interrogation, and there, she confessed to everything.

Speaker 4 She laid out how the whole murder was premeditated, how it was Shauna's idea from the very beginning, how she knew about it, everything.

Speaker 4 Now for basically helping Shauna plan everything, Michelle of course got arrested and she was charged with conspiracy to commit first degree murder and criminal attempt to commit first degree murder.

Speaker 4 She agreed though to keep cooperating with the police, probably in exchange as part of a plea deal.

Speaker 4 But basically, Shauna did not have a leg to stand on by the time that her trial started on February 21st, 2008.

Speaker 4 She was facing charges of first-degree murder, which could have ended up with her being sentenced to life in prison with no chance of parole whatsoever.

Speaker 4 So, because of that, I get that she was willing to basically say whatever she had to in order to be found not guilty, but she'd have to come up with a pretty out there story to explain away all of the evidence.

Speaker 4 You know, the mask in the car, the threatening calls, the text messages, planning everything in advance with Michelle, her DNA, all that.

Speaker 4 It would have to be a very elaborate story to even get a droplet of reasonable doubt. But let's just say she did not disappoint.
Shauna said that she had nothing to do with the murder at all.

Speaker 4 She just happened to be at home that day and then she got in the truck and left her kids, you know, completely unattended because she got some sort of sudden craving for wine.

Speaker 4 And she was driving down to the store to pick up a bottle.

Speaker 4 So, when her husband pulled her over for the arrest, she says she had no idea what was going on or that Heather was even dead, let alone that she was a suspect in the murder.

Speaker 4 Yes, Shauna did admit that she had an affair with Igg and that she handled the breakup really badly, for sure.

Speaker 4 I mean, she didn't deny that she had sent some really inappropriate text messages and left some very disturbing voicemails as well.

Speaker 9 We had joked that Heather called Igg every 12 minutes. And at that point, I pretty much knew that

Speaker 9 I didn't care if she found out. So I sent that message actually to Igg's phone.
Heather, if you're reading this, you're a psycho bitch. I did send that.

Speaker 10 Anytime, anywhere, bitch, did you send this text message?

Speaker 9 I did in that one. I sent to Heather's phone, not to Igg's.

Speaker 10 Why did you send that text message?

Speaker 9 Because I thought if she knew that I knew her cell phone number, that she would then leave me alone. She had Heather's

Speaker 9 sister quite a few times in conversation.

Speaker 9 And so I knew what her name was.

Speaker 9 The day before,

Speaker 9 I had received call after call after call of anonymous phone calls, and I didn't answer them. And finally, it just got to the point where I had to answer it.
And it was a woman, and

Speaker 9 she said,

Speaker 9 your cell phone number is on my caller ID. And I said,

Speaker 9 no, I haven't called anybody today.

Speaker 9 And she said, so could it have been, she said, who is this?

Speaker 9 And I said, who is this?

Speaker 9 And she said, well, it doesn't matter. Could it have been a wrong number? And I said, apparently, because I haven't made any phone calls.

Speaker 9 And then I started thinking about everything that was going on, and I thought

Speaker 9 that could have been Heather's sister. So what I did was I just called information to see if there was a number for her.

Speaker 9 And I was going to just call and listen to her voice and see if that's, in fact, who had called me.

Speaker 10 Did you talk to Andy Jones?

Speaker 9 No, I didn't. The number, I blocked my call to the residents.

Speaker 9 and then that specific number said that it didn't take blocked calls. And I thought, this is stupid.
I'm not going to go any farther with it. So I just

Speaker 9 didn't try again.

Speaker 4 So the way Shauna put it is, it was all just her lashing out. She totally got why Heather was afraid of her and why all of Heather's friends immediately assumed that she did it.

Speaker 4 I mean, the woman was calling Heather sister from a block number.

Speaker 4 But even though she tried to explain it away on the stand and make it sound like it was perfectly logical and, you know, a perfectly logical way of dealing with things, it was unhinged.

Speaker 4 But according to Shauna, she never actually planned to hurt Heather. It was all just bad luck that the woman that she had been harassing happened to get killed by somebody else.

Speaker 4 And as for the black robe in the back of her car and the mask, she said, easy. It was just an old Halloween costume.
And Michelle, the best friend's testimony?

Speaker 4 Well, to hear Shauna tell it, Michelle was just pissed off at her because Shauna had dumped her. Which yes, let's just let that sink in.

Speaker 4 According to Shauna, not only did she cheat on her husband with Igg, she also was sleeping with her coworkers and kind of sleeping her way through her whole friend group with all of her coworkers.

Speaker 10 Approximately, when did your friendship with Michelle Moore develop?

Speaker 9 It was

Speaker 9 sometime in August of 2004.

Speaker 10 Okay.

Speaker 10 Did your relationship with Michelle Moore

Speaker 10 become more than friendship?

Speaker 9 Yes, it did.

Speaker 10 And

Speaker 10 did it develop into an intimate relationship?

Speaker 9 Yes, it did.

Speaker 10 When did that occur?

Speaker 9 Not too long after

Speaker 9 meeting her in August of 2004. I would say probably just the next month.

Speaker 10 Have you

Speaker 10 kept that relationship a secret?

Speaker 9 Very much so.

Speaker 10 And why?

Speaker 9 None of this

Speaker 9 is stuff that I'm very proud of. Yeah.

Speaker 9 It's kind of embarrassing. And I didn't,

Speaker 9 both of us made the decision that we weren't going to

Speaker 9 tell anybody.

Speaker 4 So Shauna said on the stand that she and Michelle were lovers. An allegation that I'll note right now, Michelle absolutely denied.

Speaker 4 And according to Shauna, when she decided to break up with Michelle, Michelle in turn got angry and spiteful and decided to get revenge. So that's why Michelle made up this elaborate testimony.

Speaker 9 I was driving Michelle home and told her that I no longer

Speaker 9 could have a sexual relationship with her. that I had been thinking about it

Speaker 9 all through our drinks. And that

Speaker 9 since I was trying to actually

Speaker 9 maybe finally be loyal to Ken

Speaker 9 that I needed to completely fess up

Speaker 9 and that I was gonna go home and tell Ken

Speaker 9 also about my relationship with Michelle

Speaker 9 and I told her I loved her

Speaker 9 and

Speaker 9 that I still wanted to remain friends with her, but I couldn't keep lying to Ken. It was just, it was too much.

Speaker 10 What was Michelle Moore's reaction to that?

Speaker 9 She was very upset.

Speaker 4 According to Shauna, Michelle went to the police with this made-up story about them planning the murder together. And this was specifically done to get Shauna in trouble.

Speaker 4 I mean, she was trying to throw anything she could to stick to the wall and get out of these charges or create reasonable doubt. The problem was the jury was not buying anything she was selling.

Speaker 4 And after just one day in deliberation, they found Shauna guilty of first-degree murder. Her sentence was the maximum that was allowed, which is life in prison with no parole.

Speaker 4 Now, I think Shauna was a real piece of work. I mean, the stalking, the obsession, the picking the fights with Heather, and that was all before she even got around to actually committing the murder.

Speaker 4 But her friend Michelle, whether you think they were lovers or just toxic friends or whatever, obviously also had something weird going on with her too.

Speaker 4 Because you don't just teach your friend, best friend or not, how to kill people, you know, as you're just sipping mimosas at brunch and giving them all the tips and tricks of the trade.

Speaker 4 What she did was very dangerous, very reckless, and extremely unethical.

Speaker 4 However, by the time that she had to face the music for her conspiracy and murder charges, Michelle was completely playing the victim.

Speaker 4 She agreed to a plea bargain, so there ended up being no actual trial, just the sentencing hearing.

Speaker 4 But during the hearing, Michelle's father actually tried to make it sound like the reason Michelle helped Shauna commit this murder was because she was just a nice, friendly person.

Speaker 4 He actually said that she had such strong instincts to help people who were in trouble that when Shauna came to her with a problem, Michelle just had this knee-jerk reaction to want to help her solve the problem.

Speaker 4 Even if that problem that she needed help with was literally murdering someone.

Speaker 4 And it's pretty hard to imagine that Michelle really was such a great, thoughtful person, murder aside, because less than 48 hours before before the sentencing hearing even began, Michelle got arrested for completely unrelated charges.

Speaker 4 She was drunk driving.

Speaker 4 Now, thank God Michelle didn't actually hurt or kill anyone before she got pulled over, but the fact that she decided to get behind the wheel of a car after she had been drinking really didn't do much to make her seem like she cared about other human lives, right?

Speaker 4 It just seemed reckless, and it seems like she just didn't care. So with that, it's probably no surprise that the judge decided to give her the maximum penalty.

Speaker 4 Because Because of the deal that she negotiated, it was still only nine years in prison, but at least Michelle didn't walk off scot-free.

Speaker 4 And nobody bought her whole, you know, woe is me, I'm only a murderer because I'm so nice kind of act. Not at all.
It was like, let's lock you up for as long as we can and throw away the key.

Speaker 4 Now, since she got that sentence in 2008, that means that Michelle is free again.

Speaker 4 I haven't been able to find any information about what she's been up to since her release, but I do hope that she's keeping her head down and she's staying out of trouble.

Speaker 4 Now, as for Heather, my heart absolutely shatters for Heather because she died just because she was unlucky enough to be married to the man that Shauna was obsessed with.

Speaker 4 And all the kids, Heather's kids, Shauna's kids, everybody's kids, none of them have moms anymore. That is so incredibly devastating.

Speaker 4 Ken ended up raising all three of Shauna's children, including Christian, who was biologically Igg's baby.

Speaker 4 But remember, he had agreed to step up and adopt him, but he ended up raising all of them as his own. And I think that that's pretty remarkable because he didn't have to.

Speaker 4 And even though Christian wasn't his biological child, he didn't do anything wrong in any of this.

Speaker 4 He didn't force his mom to have an affair and Ken loved him anyway and Ken was able to give him a healthy home. But this story is also so incredibly sad for Heather and Igg's only child, Victoria.

Speaker 4 Ig raised her for a while, but when Victoria was 15 years old, she went to go live with some family friends instead.

Speaker 4 I'm not sure why, but I do know that she was taking classes at some sort of fancy arts high school, and she wanted to go to college to learn how to design video games when she graduated.

Speaker 4 But unfortunately, that didn't work out because on Friday, March 13th, 2015, she was driving when she swerved to avoid a pothole in the road.

Speaker 4 When she did, she lost control of her car and she ended up crashing into a tree. Victoria was only 17 years old and she died in this car accident.

Speaker 4 So my heart also breaks for Igg, even though he's a cheating dirtbag who this whole thing, in my opinion, could have been avoided if he didn't have an affair. Not to put the blame solely on him.

Speaker 4 I mean, also, Shauna was like an unhinged lunatic, but my heart breaks for him because he lost his only daughter so suddenly.

Speaker 4 And just a couple of years after his wife was murdered, kind of in a roundabout way, you could say, because of his actions. Both of those deaths were just so completely senseless and by chance.

Speaker 4 And that is an awful thing to have to deal with. Now, I've said this before, and I will say it again.
If you are not happy in your marriage, just get a divorce. Don't go sneaking around.

Speaker 4 Definitely don't kill anyone. It is never worth it.
And I think that needs to be my new tagline. Like, just get a divorce.
But I do want to know from you guys, okay? What do you guys think?

Speaker 4 Because I want to know, did you buy any part of Shauna's story? Do you think that she and Michelle really were sleeping together?

Speaker 4 I personally think planning a murder with somebody goes well beyond the boundaries of a normal friendship, but that doesn't automatically mean that they were having sex.

Speaker 4 But I also don't think that they were just casual friends either. But also, what about those reports that Ken maybe removed and tossed the gun from Shauna's car when he arrested her?

Speaker 4 What's the truth there? What's the deal with all of that? So let me know what you guys think either in the QA section on Spotify or in the review section over on Apple Podcasts.

Speaker 4 Thank you guys so much for tuning in to another episode with me today.

Speaker 4 I will be back on the mic with you first thing on Thursday morning with headline highlights, where we are breaking down everything going on in the true crime world this week.

Speaker 4 And we also, of course, have our ad-free bonus episodes that you can get access to through Patreon or through Apple Podcasts. Sorry, it was taking me a minute to think about that.

Speaker 4 We do every single Friday an exclusive ad-free case that gets loaded on Apple Podcasts and Patreon.

Speaker 4 Right now, if you sign up for that, which you can do so through Apple or through Patreon, but right now, if you sign up for that, you can unlock like, I think it's like 65 bonus episodes.

Speaker 4 So if you feel like you still need content to binge, there is plenty for you. All right, guys.
Thank you guys so much for tuning in.

Speaker 4 Until the next one, stay safe, be nice, don't kill people, and just get a divorce. All right, guys, thanks so much.
Bye.