309: Evil Lurking on the Farm: His Girlfriend Disappears & EVERYONE is Connected | Crystal Rogers

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Speaker 15 Well, imagine not knowing for almost 10 years what happened to someone you loved. They disappear, and then all you know is that whatever did happen to them wasn't good.

Speaker 15 July 3rd, 2015 was the last day 35-year-old Crystal Rogers, a mother of five, was seen alive by her boyfriend, Brooks Haug.

Speaker 15 This was devastating for Crystal's parents, and her dad, Tommy Ballard, made it his mission to find his missing daughter.

Speaker 16 Wilson's one of three men charged in connection to the death of Crystal Rogers. Another tense day in court to the point that a court officer had to stand in between the lead attorneys.

Speaker 16 Now, the whole world, especially Nelson County, knows that possibly, hopefully, justice has been and will be served.

Speaker 3 Hey, True Crime Besties, welcome back to an all-new episode of Serialistly.

Speaker 3 Hello, hello, hello, and welcome back to an all-new episode of Serialistly with me, your host, Annie Elise. I hope you had a great weekend.

Speaker 3 I hope you are like kickstarting the week, doing something fun. I know a lot of you are probably commuting into work right now.
Some of you listen to this while you're cleaning.

Speaker 3 So maybe you're, you know, elbow deep in a toilet or a bathtub cleaning that out. But the point is, whatever it is you're doing right now, hope you had a great weekend.

Speaker 3 Hope you are starting the week off on the right foot. Although now that I say that out loud, I realize that I'm probably contradicting all of that, right?

Speaker 3 Because I'm about to like jump in and like sweep all over your good, happy day and just dump all over it and ruin your day with this case. But you know what?

Speaker 3 Maybe not because that is what you're here for, right?

Speaker 3 No, now the case we're talking about today is one that I covered very briefly in the past, but there have been a lot of updates and it finally just came to a conclusion.

Speaker 3 A lot of you have also been requesting that I cover this case. And when I say a lot of you, I am talking about you've been in my DMs, in my comment section, tagging me, blowing me up over on Patreon.

Speaker 3 So many of you have been requesting it so you know what i like to say right i like to consider myself like a podcaster of the people if you will where not really that sounds so cheesy and lame but you get what i mean where i want to deliver the kind of content that you want to hear and that you're interested in hearing so here we are Now let me backpedal a little bit and just kind of like set the stage for you.

Speaker 3 I want you to imagine this. Imagine that you are unlucky in love.
I'm talking truly unlucky.

Speaker 3 You haven't been able to find your person, not your soulmate, not even like somewhat of a good quality candidate.

Speaker 3 You're fresh out of this toxic marriage, just kind of trying to now raise your family, your four children, all on your own, just

Speaker 3 hopeful, but kind of defeated as well. You're struggling.
You're wondering when things are going to finally start looking up for you. And then you finally get a place of your own.

Speaker 3 It feels like a fresh start. It feels like, okay, things are finally going in the right direction.
We're getting back on our feet. I've got my four kids with me.

Speaker 3 Maybe there's brighter things on the horizon too in my love life. Things are just starting to look up.

Speaker 3 Then you meet your landlord of your new place, and this man seems like exactly what you've been waiting for. He seems like the man of your dreams.

Speaker 3 Well, that is exactly the situation that happened to Crystal Rogers. However, that happily ever after that she thought she was getting, it turned into an absolutely twisted nightmare.

Speaker 3 Because it wasn't just a repeat of what had happened to her in the past with a man betraying her.

Speaker 3 This time, the man betrayed her, his family betrayed her, his friends, his employees, co-workers, you name it. A whole slew of people, really.

Speaker 3 And Crystal's story has stuck with so many of you since I first shared it, and so many of you who never even had heard of my coverage.

Speaker 3 And I know for those of you who are hearing it for the first time today, it is also going to not only stick with you, but it will will deeply impact you.

Speaker 3 As I mentioned at the top of this episode, this case finally recently went to trial and there is finally some sort of resolution.

Speaker 3 So I want to go through everything, top to bottom, side to side, give you all the details, all the red flags, and I want you to hear Crystal's story.

Speaker 3 But before we get into all of that, I want to go back a little bit and I want to really learn who Crystal was and I want to tell you why she was so special.

Speaker 3 35-year-old Crystal Rogers was born on April 4th, 1980. She was the first child of the family, and Crystal's parents, Sherry and Tommy, went on to have two more children after having Crystal.

Speaker 3 Sherry and Tommy decided to raise their children in Bardstown, Kentucky. Bardstown is a quaint little town in the Nelson County, Kentucky area, with a population of just a little bit over 13,000.

Speaker 3 The city is often referred to as the bourbon capital of the world, due to the 11 distilleries within a 16 mile radius of downtown Bardston. So bourbon lovers often go there to try all of them out.

Speaker 3 Unfortunately, not a whole lot other is known about Crystal's personal life and the background of her life.

Speaker 3 One thing we do know though about Crystal is that she was a mother and her children were her absolute pride and joy.

Speaker 3 Crystal began having children pretty young and was married to the father of her three daughters and one son.

Speaker 3 Crystal was the type of mom to do anything to make ends meet and to make sure that her kids had everything that they needed and so much more.

Speaker 3 She was very protective of her kids and would get mad if anyone else would ever try to discipline them, also.

Speaker 3 And she was known to be way less strict than her mom Sherry had been.

Speaker 3 But overall, it was clear that Crystal's protective nature, like many parents, just stemmed from how much she truly loved her children.

Speaker 3 But eventually, as unfortunately, many stories go, Crystal and the father of her children split up.

Speaker 3 After just ending a very toxic marriage, she was now looking for somewhere for her and her four children to live, to find her soulmate, to find a new father figure.

Speaker 3 And when Crystal finally found a home, she met the landlord whose name was Brooks Hauk. And Brooks' family was a very prominent family in the small community.

Speaker 3 They were known for owning many rental properties in the area as well as the construction work that they did.

Speaker 3 Brooks' brother was part of the police department and in 2014 Brooks himself even ran for sheriff in this small town of Bardstown.

Speaker 3 So to say that they were well known in that small town is basically an understatement. So Crystal and Brooks hit it off very quickly and quickly began dating, not too long after meeting.

Speaker 3 They then found out that they were expecting and they had their son Eli in 2013. But Crystal's family started noticing that things were a little bit off with Brooks.

Speaker 3 Brooks seemed to be very distant from Crystal's four children. More specifically, they were not treated with the same level of respect and care that he treated Eli with.

Speaker 3 There was a clear divide, and Brooks made it known that Crystal's pre-existing four kids were hers and hers only.

Speaker 3 Even though they all lived together and most families just share the groceries, for example, that didn't seem to be the case for them.

Speaker 3 Brooks would always buy the groceries for Eli, but would make it clear that Crystal needed to buy anything for the other four children, because again, they were not his.

Speaker 3 Now we all know that the 4th of July weekend can bring in some really fun events, especially in small towns.

Speaker 3 It's usually full of events like barbecues, firework shows for just days on end, and that is no different in Bardstown.

Speaker 3 But in 2015, the 4th of July weekend ended up being different from all of the others for Crystal and her family.

Speaker 3 On Sunday, July 5th, 2015, Crystal's mother Sherry received a text message from Crystal's daughter Kylie. And in that message, Kylie had asked Sherry if she had heard from her mom, Crystal.

Speaker 3 Sherry replied that no, she hadn't. Crystal usually responded to people pretty quickly too, but Sherry didn't really think much of it.

Speaker 3 So she sent Crystal a text that Kylie was looking for her and that she needed to get back with her before continuing on with her day.

Speaker 3 It wasn't until a few hours later in the evening when Kylie texted her again and asked her for a second time if she had heard from Crystal, and that's when she began to feel like something wasn't quite right.

Speaker 3 Crystal hadn't responded to her earlier message and apparently wasn't answering her kids' messages either, which made her mother worry a lot. So Sherry immediately called Crystal, who didn't answer.

Speaker 3 So she began calling Crystal's friends and other family members to see if anyone had heard from her or knew where she was.

Speaker 3 At that point, Sherry was keeping her cool, telling herself that there could be a number of good reasons as to why Crystal wasn't answering.

Speaker 3 Not to get carried away yet, there could be so many reasons, it's a holiday weekend. Who knows what's really going on?

Speaker 3 It wasn't until Crystal's sister Brooke called Sherry, not knowing anything about Kylie's texts that day, and asked if she had heard from Crystal, because she hadn't heard from her in two whole days.

Speaker 3 And that is when the panic really set in.

Speaker 3 This was 100% not a normal thing for Crystal to just do, to ignore everyone, especially to not even be in contact with her kids, of all people.

Speaker 3 So Sherry, Tommy, and Crystal's brother Casey immediately went down to the sheriff's office to file a missing persons report.

Speaker 3 But on their way to file Crystal as a missing person, Sherry had actually seen Brooks. So she asked Brooks if he had seen or talked with Crystal, to which he responded, no, he had not.

Speaker 3 Sherry said that when she told Brooks that she was filing a missing persons report, he said in a very calm and even tone, well, I think that's what you should do, and then just let Sherry leave without offering to go with her or even slightly acting worried as if he was worried that nobody had seen or heard from Crystal in days.

Speaker 3 While they were at the police station, Crystal's ex-husband's son called them and said that he saw a car along Mile Marker 14 on the Bluegrass Parkway that looked very similar to Crystal's red Chevrolet Impaula.

Speaker 3 So the three of them got into the car and rushed to where this car was seen.

Speaker 3 As soon as they turned the corner and the car was in sight, Casey immediately knew that it was Crystal's and that something had to be incredibly wrong for nobody to have heard from her and for her car to be on the side of the highway without her inside of it.

Speaker 3 They knew the severity of what was going on and they called the police to come and investigate the car so that nothing would be contaminated or ruined.

Speaker 3 When police arrived at the scene, they noticed a few major things right off the bat. The back passenger tire was low, and it had left black marks leading from the parkway to the side of the road.

Speaker 3 However, both Tommy and Casey noticed that the tire wasn't completely flat or popped. Tommy thought that it was odd that she would have even pulled over on the Highway 4 low tire in general.

Speaker 3 They also noticed that Crystal's keys were still in the ignition. Her purse was in the passenger seat, and her cell phone was in the console.

Speaker 3 These were all things that Crystal would definitely not have left behind for any reason.

Speaker 3 If her family and law enforcement hadn't known any better, it looked as if Crystal had pulled over because of the low tire, gotten out of the car, and then vanished into thin air.

Speaker 3 None of it was making any sense.

Speaker 3 Even if Crystal had pulled over because she was worried about the tire, that didn't explain why everything else would be left inside the car, especially her phone, because they figured that she would have called her dad or her brother for some help or some advice about the tire, and it wasn't something that she would have tried to fix herself.

Speaker 3 It wasn't adding up. There was one more thing that stuck out to Crystal's family that police may not have noticed as being weird initially.

Speaker 3 Her family said that anytime she drove, she had the seat leaned all the way back so that she could drive with her leg propped up on the side of the seat.

Speaker 3 And when the car was found, the seat was leaning all the way up in a position that Crystal very rarely ever had it in.

Speaker 3 So that left them wondering if Crystal possibly wasn't the last person to have been driving her car.

Speaker 3 Due to Brooks' previous behavior, when Crystal went missing, the Ballard family instantly pointed fingers at Brooks and were not quiet about the fact that they believed that he knew more than he was letting on.

Speaker 3 Crystal's family found it awfully weird that they had had been the ones to notice that Crystal hadn't been in contact with anyone in two days.

Speaker 3 Because wouldn't her boyfriend, who she lived with, have noticed something was off here?

Speaker 3 Crystal's family said that Brooks also began acting like he had something to hide and wouldn't even offer to help in any of the searches for Crystal.

Speaker 3 Brooks was brought into the Nelsi County Sheriff's Office on July 8th and he was questioned. He told investigators that on the night of the 3rd, the couple had gotten home around 12.30 a.m.

Speaker 3 from his family's house. house that they had called the farm.
He said that that day they hung out with family, they fed the cows, and they had some burn piles to get rid of waste.

Speaker 3 He even said that Crystal, their son Eli, and himself, went on a walk at the farm that night, even though it was pretty late and it was a cold and rainy night out.

Speaker 3 Brooks claimed that when they got home, he went right to sleep and the last he saw, Crystal was lying next to him, wide awake, playing games on her phone.

Speaker 18 So you go to bed, she stays up, what's she doing?

Speaker 18 She's just on her phone

Speaker 18 playing, I don't know what game, but she normally plays a game,

Speaker 18 She's got several of them on there, but I don't know which one.

Speaker 18 So she's on her phone messing around, doing whatever, and you go to bed.

Speaker 18 Do you know what time she

Speaker 18 Eli came to bed or she put him into bed? I don't know.

Speaker 3 When he woke up the next morning on the 4th, Crystal wasn't in bed, and her car wasn't out front.

Speaker 3 He later said in an exclusive interview with Nancy Grace that he didn't think it was odd that she was gone because sometimes when they got into an argument, she would go and stay at her cousin Sabrina's house for days at a time.

Speaker 3 Now, this in itself didn't make a whole lot of sense because he told detectives that they hadn't even gotten into an argument that night.

Speaker 3 Sabrina was more than willing to do interviews with investigators and told them that in the last three years that Brooks and Crystal had been together, Crystal had only come to her house two times when the couple had gotten into an argument.

Speaker 3 She added that the first time that Crystal came, it had only been for an hour, and the second time, it had only been for two hours.

Speaker 3 Yet Brooks was leading investigators to believe that Crystal would be gone for days on end whenever they fought, which was making her disappearance seem almost normal.

Speaker 3 However, to everyone else, clearly, her going to Sabrina's was basically to just take a quick step back from the situation, get some fresh air, before ultimately going home just an hour or two later.

Speaker 3 So, why were the stories so conflicting?

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Speaker 3 During Brooke's entire interview, he also showed no emotion or worry for where Crystal was.

Speaker 3 He painted himself as this amazing person who stayed home with the kids while Crystal and her sister Brooke would just often go out and party.

Speaker 3 He also got defensive at many times, making excuses for why he didn't remember certain times and dates and who certain calls in his phone log were from.

Speaker 18 But what you're what you're not aware, what you're missing is a lot of times that her and Brooke or sister or Sabrina, a lot of these girls that they do all these,

Speaker 18 they go out and do stuff. Sometimes they do these, and this is going to be embarrassing for me to talk to you about, but I'm wanting to get everything cleared up as quickly as I can.

Speaker 18 They do these fantasy parties. All these girls get together.
They talk about and do whatever.

Speaker 18 And it's not uncommon for them when they go out and party, they stay out the better part of the night, if not the whole night. So,

Speaker 18 and of course, I always have the children. You know,

Speaker 18 they don't take the kids to that. Matter of fact, I take care of some of their other children while they're the ones going.

Speaker 18 It's not uncommon for, because they know I don't get into all that stuff, and they know that I'm a man, don't get me wrong. Understand that, a white-blooded American male.

Speaker 18 And there's no sense, I'm not telling you anything different, but they do all these parties and order all this stuff. Well, who gets the kids?

Speaker 18 I'm good enough to get the kids for all this, and I'm a good enough person to do that. And then when everybody sees a little bit of distress, they're going to throw me under the bus.

Speaker 18 You know, they need to re-examine.

Speaker 18 all these other actions how you know and I can understand the family wanting to vent and stress

Speaker 18 And it makes perfect sense to me. But these people know me better than what's going on.
And before this is all over and done with, you all are too. But it really, it bothers me because

Speaker 18 not only

Speaker 18 have I been a victim, I can't even...

Speaker 18 My mind's not even where it should be because I'm trying to protect Eli from this and I'm trying to, he's the most important person that I'm trying to protect.

Speaker 18 I don't care about them dragging my name through the mud right now because I want to keep the main focus and emphasis on

Speaker 18 bringing her back

Speaker 18 safely and as quickly as possible. But

Speaker 18 it really bothers me what's being done in the method that everybody's pursuing and doing because what's going to happen is I don't want their apology. I don't want nothing from them.

Speaker 18 But then after this is all said and done, they're going to sleep it under under the rug and then it's going to,

Speaker 18 they're just going to forget about what they've done to me in the process.

Speaker 3 Brooks' call log showed that he had received a call around 12 a.m. on the 3rd, when he and Crystal were allegedly on their way home.

Speaker 3 When investigators had asked who called him, especially at such a late hour, lasting only 13 seconds, he first responded that he wasn't sure who had called him.

Speaker 3 He told the detectives to simply just call the number back, which they decided to do together. They discovered that the call was from a man named Steve Lawson, who worked for Brooks.

Speaker 3 He asked Steve what they had talked about that night at such a late hour, to which Steve responded that he was only calling him with a question about a rental property, as he owned many rentals around town.

Speaker 3 Steve said that it was a fairly quick call because Brooks told him that he would have to call Crystal to get the answers to his questions and would get back with him.

Speaker 3 Now, that statement was one of the first things that investigators would clock about his story, because according to his own recount of that night, Crystal was in in the car next to him on their way home, even though Steve had just told them that Brooke said he'd have to call Crystal for the answer.

Speaker 18 But hey, I need your help while I got you on the phone here. Do you remember the other night you called me really, really late, and

Speaker 18 I forgot what you asked me. Can you

Speaker 18 guess what on the phone? I might have been tired. I know it was pretty late at night.
Can you remember what you asked me or what you were after? I can't remember. Sir, I can't.

Speaker 18 I don't ask you for their numbers for a house. Oh, for a rental house? Yes, sir, I did.
And what did I, I forgot, what did I, what did I tell you?

Speaker 18 She told me that you would call, uh, what's her name, Katie or whatever? She handles handles all that. Crystal.

Speaker 18 Crystal, okay, I apologize. Yeah.

Speaker 18 And she said she handles all that and that you would get back with me all here. All right.
Thank you so much, Nell.

Speaker 18 Hey, if there is anything I can do, just give me a call thank you you have a good night now

Speaker 18 thank you

Speaker 18 okay

Speaker 18 so that begs a question in my mind all right if she's in the truck next to you when he called why would you need to call her about getting numbers for rental because being that way that night we're headed to the house you know i just wouldn't uh

Speaker 18 she she normally is not going to deal with stuff that late and I mean I don't even I probably didn't look at the phone to see who it was calling I'm sure I just answered it

Speaker 18 you know

Speaker 18 but he said you told him that you'd need to call her all right

Speaker 18 why would you need to call her I mean that's an odd phrase for someone who's sitting next to you in the truck

Speaker 18 Do you understand? You're saying I'm saying yeah, I see exactly what you're saying.

Speaker 18 If that right there is what I told him, that right there is what I told him.

Speaker 18 We wasn't on the phone that long, but normally I would just,

Speaker 18 she handles all that, and that's what I would do. She's not going to want to mess with that kind of stuff that late.

Speaker 18 I'm sure I probably tried to answer the phone really quickly

Speaker 18 so that it wouldn't, a lot of times after I get moving, Eli goes to sleep, you know. Sometimes he goes sleep in the truck, sometimes he doesn't.

Speaker 18 So if you want to call him, you got his number and everything. If you want to call him, you know, you can call him.

Speaker 3 Brooks claimed that the next morning, once he woke up to find find Crystal gone, he got their son ready and went on about their usual morning, not wanting to call or disturb Crystal if she was at Sabrina's, because apparently he was afraid of making all of the argument and the things worse between them.

Speaker 3 So after he fed Eli and got him ready for the day, they went back to the farm for a family 4th of July party.

Speaker 3 But again, he initially said that there was no argument, so that didn't really add up either.

Speaker 3 And I don't know about you, but if they did have a fight, I don't know how he could just go and celebrate the holiday knowing things were so tense and not being sure of where she was.

Speaker 3 Plus, we also know he said they had a 4th of July party, there were burn piles, and for me, a big red flag that always goes off is anytime somebody willingly mentions a burn pile that coincidentally coincides with somebody who has either turned up to be missing or murdered.

Speaker 3 It's almost as though, in my opinion, they're trying to get ahead of things and ahead of the story as to explain why things were burned. Potential evidence burned away? Potential DNA burned away?

Speaker 3 What do you think? I mean, a burn pile coupled with the conflicting stories about their arguments, about Crystal being with him. The math ain't math in here, something feels off.

Speaker 3 About a week after Brooks' interrogation, on July 18th, Brooks' brother, Nick Hauk, was brought in for questioning.

Speaker 3 Now, Nick was actually an officer for the Bardsdown Police Department, and it was very, very clear from the start that Nick didn't want Brooks to do any police interviews and was even heard in Brooks interrogation calling him and basically telling him that detectives were going to try and twist things in their favor and not to talk to them.

Speaker 3 Investigators had found out prior to this interrogation that on the night of the 3rd, Nick had taken a squad car out to the farm.

Speaker 3 And police found that to be a bit odd and decided to take the squad car in for further investigation.

Speaker 3 When detectives did a luminol test, they found bodily fluid all in the back of the car, as well as on a blanket that was in the trunk of the car.

Speaker 37 Take that car home with you.

Speaker 18 It's a take-home car. Nobody else uses it unless something was to come up.

Speaker 18 The only other person that's used that car is Tom Blair. It was issued to him first and then it was passed down to me.
But that's, you know, that's been a while back. Yeah.

Speaker 18 How long has that been, anything? That's been a couple years. Oh, crazy.

Speaker 18 Cardboard box with some extra stuff in it. Fire extinguisher.
Hey, it's just rain jackets. Hats, rain jackets.
I mean, I could sit here and try to tell you every item.

Speaker 18 I probably came up with a half of them.

Speaker 18 When they took your car, when the PD took your car from your house,

Speaker 18 what was in the trunk then?

Speaker 18 Well, it's this morning grand jury came up with just all the stuff I just told you.

Speaker 18 But there was also one other thing I can remember that was there was a, I don't know just a regular blanket for moving.

Speaker 18 You know, where I moved from 104 Lindview Drive to where I'm at now, I took the blanket that was there and I just put it between furniture to keep it from marring up the furniture, you know, the finish on it.

Speaker 18 As it went down the road, I guess guess it was going to jingle around. And I don't know, it didn't end the trunk of your cruiser.
Did you get the furniture of the truck? No, no, I didn't.

Speaker 18 No, what I did. I got the blanket at the farm.
I used it, and then I was going to take it back in a few days. I forgot about it.

Speaker 18 So it's sitting there in the trunk, you know, but no, I use my trailer and truck.

Speaker 3 Even though they already knew the answer, they asked him if there would be any reason for blood to be in the trunk of his cruiser, to which he just adamantly, completely denied multiple times.

Speaker 3 He is extremely calm and collected collected through his entire interrogation almost as if he had practiced the entire thing.

Speaker 18 So I mean we're going to call it like it is.

Speaker 18 Is it do you don't want to remember or can you remember? I can't remember. Okay.

Speaker 18 Because this is what's happened. You made a phone call.
He was up here. Within two hours of him leaving here, both of y'all were on the road on the way to the farm and the camera shows that.

Speaker 18 Time and date stamp. Phone call.
Time and date stamp.

Speaker 18 You're out there. What went on while you're out there at the farm? yeah if i knew i tell you i mean i wish i could give you a detailed written statement i don't know

Speaker 18 i guess it's kind of jump back to you to the cruiser here for a minute do you is there any reason that there be any blood in your in the trunk of your cruiser

Speaker 18 no reason at all so you don't transport any biological evidence on a regular basis

Speaker 18 when's the last

Speaker 18 scene that you had somebody that was bleeding

Speaker 18 how long has it been Oh, I mean, I'm just guessing, maybe a wreck or something like that. That's been a long time ago.
Okay. I mean,

Speaker 18 I can tell you there's no blood in front of my cruiser.

Speaker 18 I can guarantee you that.

Speaker 3 Nick told investigators during this interview that he had very rarely spoken to Crystal over the last few years, and that he sometimes saw her on the street, but that that was about as far as their interactions went.

Speaker 3 He claimed that Brooks never complained to him about Crystal and their relationship, and that as far as he knew, they had a pretty solid relationship and didn't argue.

Speaker 3 To detectives, Nick's entire interrogation was more than suspicious, especially considering what they had found in the trunk of his squad car and his complete denial of it.

Speaker 3 They felt like he knew more than what he was leading on, so they decided to have him take a polygraph test.

Speaker 3 He was brought back into the office on July 24th, where an FBI polygraph examiner discussed his results with him, which turned out to be less than perfect.

Speaker 18 I'm talking to you, man-to-man, as a fellow law enforcement officer,

Speaker 18 that the time has come for you to think real hard about the rest of your life.

Speaker 18 This is you. I'm not talking about brooks or anybody else.
The details of who did what, when,

Speaker 18 can I tell you exactly? No, but I can demonstrably point out through forensic evidence already that things that you told us about where you were at various times are demonstrably not true.

Speaker 18 We can prove in front of a jury today. and start telling, well, out of self-preservation, we all.

Speaker 18 Let me just cut you off. I mean, do we need need to take this any further? I would like to take it to the truth.
That's the whole reason.

Speaker 18 It's a test, though. I mean, man, this, I mean, you're talking crazy.

Speaker 18 I mean, you're talking crazy. Did you rehearse response to what was going to happen today? Because it sure sounds like it.

Speaker 18 I don't know what it sounds like. I'm just telling you what you're saying.

Speaker 18 You're talking crazy. What's crazy about it? Explain it to me.
The accusations you're making. Yeah, I'm sorry.
But you're not involved in this.

Speaker 18 Absolutely not. Well, none.
You already told me that. That's why we did the polygraph to find out.
Well, now we both told me. I told you what now?

Speaker 18 You told me before you had nothing to do with it.

Speaker 18 Yes. Well, now we're past that, because I've already shown that you did have something to do with it.
I don't know what the test is. I just showed you.

Speaker 18 I just showed it to you. But I'm telling you, I did have.
And I'm telling you, you're lying.

Speaker 18 I mean, I can't make it any. I'm not trying to hurt your feelings, but I'm telling you the truth.
That's what I'm doing to you. I'm telling you the truth.
Nope, you're not. We're past that.

Speaker 18 I've already shown you. I've taken the polygraph.
Do you have anything else for me? Because I'm not going to sit here and we're not going to go back and forth like this.

Speaker 18 You do whatever whatever you want to do. I said I'm not going to do that.

Speaker 18 I want to cooperate with you. I mean, I'm not here.
Tell me what happened. Tell me what you know.
I don't know anything. We're past that.
You've already shown me that you do.

Speaker 18 I know nothing.

Speaker 18 I'm sorry you.

Speaker 18 That's not true. It's not me.
I just showed you. I don't even show people theirs.
I showed you yours.

Speaker 18 And I even went the extra step for you to find out: okay, well, let's try to nail down what you know more about. You know more about this?

Speaker 18 Who would know? Am I saying that

Speaker 18 he did it?

Speaker 18 No, I'm just saying you know more than we do. Whether that's a simple conversation with your brother

Speaker 18 or whether you were physically involved out there, I can't tell you. Either one of those things would explain what I'm seeing.
My hunch is it's something that your brother told you.

Speaker 18 I don't know anything. He has not spoken to me about this.
He's my brother. I'm glad you said that because

Speaker 18 he probably would know better than to say specific things. So it's a matter then, perhaps, of what you observed, what you saw, what you saw other people say.
I don't know. I wasn't there.

Speaker 18 All I'm telling you is, objectively, that's what we do, you and I do. That badge on there is what? It's to protect society.
That's what shield is, right? That's what we do.

Speaker 3 At one point during his polygraph test, he was asked flat out, point blank, do you know where crystal is? His response was no, but this turned out to be false.

Speaker 3 Now, I do want to be clear that the accuracy of polygraphs has always been a very controversial topic, but in my opinion, it seemed a little strange that he specifically failed the question about crystal.

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Speaker 7 Malice will constantly keep you on your toes.

Speaker 3 Why is Adam after the Tanner family?

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Speaker 28 The work may cost less than you think and can often be done in just a few days.

Speaker 27 Strengthen your home and help protect your family.

Speaker 32 Get prepared today and worry less tomorrow.

Speaker 34 Visit strengthenyourhouse.com.

Speaker 3 Get Ready for Malice, a twisted new drama starring Jack Whitehall, David DeCovney, and Carice Van Houten.

Speaker 3 Jack Whitehall plays Adam, a charming manny who infiltrates the wealthy Tanner family with a hidden motive to destroy them.

Speaker 3 This edge-of-your-seat revenge thriller unravels a deliciously dark mystery in a world full of wealth, secrets, and betrayal.

Speaker 7 Malice will constantly keep you on your toes.

Speaker 3 Why is Adam after the Tanner family?

Speaker 8 What lengths will he go to?

Speaker 9 One thing's for sure, the past never stays buried, so keep your enemies close.

Speaker 12 Watch Malice, all episodes now streaming exclusively on Prime Video.

Speaker 20 California has millions of homes that could be damaged in a strong earthquake.

Speaker 24 Older homes are especially vulnerable to quake damage, so you may need to take steps to strengthen yours.

Speaker 26 Visit strengthenyourhouse.com to learn how to strengthen your home and help protect it from damage.

Speaker 28 The work may cost less than you think and can often be done in just a few days.

Speaker 27 Strengthen your home and help protect your family.

Speaker 32 Get prepared today and worry less tomorrow.

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Speaker 3 Just a few months later, on October 16th, 2015, Barnstown Mayor John Royalty, Police Chief Rick McGubbin, and city attorney Tim Butler held a press conference where they announced that former Bardstown police officer Nick Hauk had been fired due to his failed polygraph test and his interference in the Crystal Rogers case.

Speaker 3 His interference was cited on July 8th when he called his brother Brooks during his interrogation.

Speaker 3 Documents regarding the interference said, and I quote, making a call to his brother in such circumstances is enough to be considered interference in a criminal investigation. And given Mr.

Speaker 3 Hauk's experience and background as a police officer, in common terms, he should have known better.

Speaker 38 Really, I guess if you think about it, he injected himself into this. He made that call.
He was not necessarily on the radar.

Speaker 38 But by him making that call, he therefore entered into the entire investigation. That, yes, of course, that was the first and really only

Speaker 39 forward-moving thing that he did.

Speaker 38 The rest of it was more of it in a passive way. His lack of candor stood out to me as much as anything.
And like I said,

Speaker 38 a lot of what he didn't do as much as what he did do.

Speaker 38 That was kind of the balance that I looked at.

Speaker 38 That, I think, was as bad as

Speaker 38 doing something

Speaker 38 proactive, if you will. The fact that he didn't do what a police officer should do.

Speaker 3 A few days later, Brooks was officially announced as a suspect in Crystal's disappearance.

Speaker 3 Not only was he announced as a suspect, but the Nelson County Sheriff's Department officially said that they believed that Crystal was no longer alive.

Speaker 3 Months had gone by, and Crystal was still missing.

Speaker 3 The whole community came together, volunteering for search party after search party of all of the surrounding areas, Bluegrass Parkway, the woods, and even the waters nearby.

Speaker 3 Unfortunately, each search came up empty-handed, and Brooks was the main and only suspect at this point.

Speaker 3 And also, coincidentally, he was the one person who was not helping in any of these searches at all.

Speaker 3 All of Crystal's family, as well as outside forensics teams and investigators, had been continuously searching for clues and possible evidence in this case, all the way up until November 2016, just a little over one year after Crystal had disappeared.

Speaker 3 And then, their entire worlds got turned upside down.

Speaker 3 On November 19th, 2016, Crystal's dad Tommy had made plans to go hunting on the family's property, which sits adjacent to the Bluegrass Parkway where Crystal's car had been found.

Speaker 3 He and Crystal's 12-year-old son Trenton went towards the back of the farm, and Casey and his son Brandon took the front half of the farm.

Speaker 3 Casey recalled sitting in his truck with Brandon, listening to the radio, when they heard one single gunshot.

Speaker 3 At this same time, Sherry received a phone call from Trenton with something she never thought she would hear. Tommy had been shot.

Speaker 3 It was a single shot to his chest, and he unfortunately died on impact and was gone before Sherry could even arrive. Now, I cannot imagine the pain that this woman has gone through.

Speaker 3 It makes my heart ache for the trauma that she has experienced in such a short window of time.

Speaker 3 She and Tommy were high school sweethearts, and they had been inseparable ever since, creating the lives they lived and a family that they loved all together.

Speaker 3 Not only was she grieving the sudden disappearance of her daughter, but now she lost her husband too. In an interview after the fact, Sherry said that she knew in her heart that this was no accident.

Speaker 3 Tommy had been very public with his search for Crystal.

Speaker 3 He had taken the investigation into his own hands the entire time, searching for clues, leading search parties, creating maps of possible places that Crystal could be, and also gaining access to security camera footage across town.

Speaker 3 He was not stopping until he got answers, and she believed that the person who was involved in Crystal's disappearance knew that.

Speaker 3 So when police looked into the scene, they found a small opening in the trees where they found that the trees and brush had actually been freshly cut with what looked like a saw.

Speaker 3 Casey said he had never seen an opening in that area like this ever before. It seemed as if this was meticulously planned.
Was it because Tommy was asking too many questions?

Speaker 3 Was he getting too close to finding out what happened to his daughter Crystal?

Speaker 3 Trenton told police that as soon as the two of them got out of the car and turned the corner into the hunting area, Tommy seemed to have been alerted by something he saw.

Speaker 3 He reached out a hand to stop Trenton and kind of push his body back behind his own. Tommy then took his rifle off of his shoulder and looked right into the direction of where the opening was.

Speaker 3 And it was right at that moment that he was shot. Now, I'm just going to say this, guys.

Speaker 3 In my opinion, as well as his family's, Tommy had seen his killer, or had at the very least been alerted that something suspicious was going on.

Speaker 3 Despite this eyewitness account from someone who had been there and saw everything firsthand, investigators still didn't rule out the possibility of Tommy's death simply being an unfortunate hunting accident.

Speaker 3 But the Ballard family knew better. Tommy's family told their private investigators that over the course of the past year, Tommy had been keeping a box full of anything pertaining to Crystal's case.

Speaker 3 Every tip they had received had been written down, every address, every map of locations that Crystal could have been in, and even every security camera in the area that Crystal had been seen on.

Speaker 3 Sherry said that if Tommy wasn't out physically looking for Crystal, he was at home on the computer working on his own investigating.

Speaker 3 Sherry allowed the investigators to take pictures and make copies of everything, hoping that they might be able to comb through what Tommy had already found.

Speaker 3 And investigators laid out everything in front of them and organized each of Tommy's notes into subcategories.

Speaker 3 In Tommy's box was surveillance footage on July 3rd of Crystal in Walmart with her kids at 4.36 p.m.

Speaker 3 This footage is very likely just hours before her disappearance and possibly was the final hours of her life.

Speaker 3 Tommy's notes also said that a physical witness had seen Crystal bringing the Walmart bags into the house at 5 p.m. that night.

Speaker 3 Tommy also noticed that in the Walmart footage he obtained, a white Buick kept going back and forth towards Walmart while Crystal was there.

Speaker 3 Witnesses also came forward and claimed that the white Buick was also seen parked in a strange place at the farm that Brooks' family owned on the night that Crystal went missing.

Speaker 3 And according to court documents, Brooks' grandmother, Anna Whitesides, owned a white Buick. But shortly after Crystal's disappearance, she ended up selling it.

Speaker 3 So investigators were able to find that car, and they found that it had been sold to a dealership, which they were able to track down and then search for any possible forensic evidence.

Speaker 3 When looking into the car, they found a GPS tracker under the front seat.

Speaker 3 So they immediately began testing the GPS, hoping it would possibly show where the car had been on the night that Crystal disappeared.

Speaker 3 But unfortunately, they found out that the GPS hadn't been in working condition since long before Crystal had gone missing.

Speaker 3 They also found what seemed to be bodily fluids, and they tested them for blood, but it turned out not to be blood.

Speaker 3 By 2017, no progress had been made in Crystal's disappearance or her father Tommy's death.

Speaker 3 Interestingly enough, in July of that year, someone had been arrested, but not at all in any ways that anyone was expecting.

Speaker 3 A woman named Crystal Maupin was seen on security camera footage at Circle K in Bardstown. She was seen getting out of her car and taking down signs regarding Crystal's disappearance.

Speaker 3 This woman turned out to be Brooks' new girlfriend. Now remember, at that time, Brooks was still the only suspect in her case.

Speaker 3 So new girlfriend Crystal was charged with theft for unlawfully taking these, but her bond was posted and she was released the same day.

Speaker 3 The Ballard family as a whole was just so in awe at the pure audacity that this woman had. Sherry was left upset and very confused.
She wondered why Crystal wouldn't just help them.

Speaker 3 She also was left wondering why Crystal and Brooks weren't giving the family support if Brooks was as innocent as he claimed.

Speaker 3 By the end of 2020, the police had completely stepped in to take over Crystal's case.

Speaker 3 They immediately began serving search warrants, including Brooks' house, Nick's house, and their mother's house, as well as a storage unit in the area.

Speaker 3 The FBI told the media that they recovered several items of interest in this search.

Speaker 3 Then in 2021, the FBI ripped up the driveway of Brooks' home, which had been built the same year that Crystal had gone missing.

Speaker 3 Again, in 2022, FBI searched the family farm, where Crystal had allegedly last been seen at. The farm was over 200 acres, but they focused on a smaller portion of it.

Speaker 3 They brought in cadaver dogs, drones, and excavating equipment. The search on the farm had lasted for five days straight.

Speaker 3 The FBI released that evidence had been collected, but they did not give any details on what exactly had been found. In August of 2023, a huge break in the case was finally made.

Speaker 3 For the first time ever, someone had been arrested in regards to Crystal's disappearance.

Speaker 3 But to the shock of quite literally everyone, and everyone familiar with this case, it wasn't Brooks that was arrested.

Speaker 3 32-year-old Joseph Lawson was arrested and charged with conspiracy to commit murder, as well as a charge for tampering with physical evidence.

Speaker 3 Joseph's attorney Kevin Coleman confirmed that his client's charges were in relation to the disappearance of Crystal Rogers.

Speaker 3 Joseph has apparently had a pretty colorful criminal history over the years. He has had charges in the past of burglary, trespassing, assault, and possession of methamphetamine.

Speaker 3 So, this guy is obviously shady, right?

Speaker 3 But you might be asking yourself or asking me, being like, hey, Annie, okay, this guy, yes, obviously is like a walking red flag, but what's his connection to Crystal's case?

Speaker 3 Well, remember that midnight phone call that Brooks got on the night that Crystal disappeared? You know, the one that the police then caught him in a lie about later on?

Speaker 3 Well, that was from Steve Lawson. And as it turns out, Steve is none other than Joseph's father.

Speaker 3 So now, with Joseph arrested, things really started to fall apart for Brooks, and he was finally arrested.

Speaker 3 In late September 2023, Brooks was officially arrested and charged with the murder of Crystal, as well as tampering with physical evidence, and then he was given a $10 million bond.

Speaker 3 Now, keep in mind, before Brooks was arrested, he still had custody of he and Crystal's son Eli.

Speaker 3 And sadly, like we see so often, Brooks prevented Eli from spending any quality time with Crystal's mother Sherry.

Speaker 3 Unfortunately, the Ballards haven't been able to have a close relationship with the son that Brooks and Crystal once shared.

Speaker 3 When Crystal first went missing, Tommy and Sherry had filed for court-mandated visitation times. They were able to see Eli every other Sunday from 10 a.m.

Speaker 3 to 6 p.m., but in 2018, a judge overruled it, claiming that the connection between Brooks and Sherry has boiled over to the point that it is not in the boy's best interest to spend time with his grandmother.

Speaker 3 Brooks claimed that Eli had begun asking him, What did you do to mommy? and claimed that he was sullen and uncooperative every time after spending time with Sherry.

Speaker 3 So obviously, when Brooks was arrested, this threw a huge wrench in the agreed custody plan. Brooks' mother and Sherry both went to court to fight over the now 11-year-old child.

Speaker 3 The proceedings were ruled to be confidential, and neither side was allowed to comment or share with the media how the judge ruled.

Speaker 3 But reporters outside of the court saw Sherry leave with a huge smile on her face, and Brooks' mother looked less than happy. So we obviously don't have confirmation.

Speaker 3 All we can do is hope that based on the reactions, Sherry was granted custody and can finally begin to repair that relationship with her youngest grandchild, and of course allow him to finally see his other siblings, who had not been allowed to see him since he was only a few years old.

Speaker 3 Brooks though? He had bigger problems on his hands, namely the massive $10 million bond that was keeping him in jail. His arraignment was scheduled for October 5th, where he appeared via video.

Speaker 3 Brooks' defense team argued that the $10 million bond was extremely harsh and argued that Joseph's had only been $500,000. So they argued for a $500,000 cash bond as well as GPS monitoring.

Speaker 3 The prosecution argued that the reason that Joseph's bond was set so much lower was because he has no other possessions other than his truck, and that $500,000 is really $10 million to Joseph Lawson.

Speaker 3 Essentially, they just wanted to set bonds high enough so that neither of them could get out. During that same arraignment, multiple issues were brought up.

Speaker 3 The first was that the judge confirmed that he believed that Tommy's death is linked to crystals and that his office is in the process of investigating it, which is something honestly most everyone had already figured, but it had never previously been confirmed by any one official.

Speaker 3 Sherry was also seen getting extremely emotional when Tommy was brought up, and it was no doubt filled filled with a mix of relief and sadness knowing now that his death is somehow connected to his daughter's death, all potentially again due to him getting too close to figuring out the truth and what really happened to his daughter Crystal.

Speaker 3 So the prosecutor explained that they had purchased a gun from Nick Hauk, who is Brooks' brother. Nick was selling this rifle under a fake name, and they bought it.

Speaker 3 During the hearing, the prosecutor stated that they believed that it's the gun that was used to kill Tommy, and they are investigating Nick's possible role in Tommy's death.

Speaker 3 After the hearing, Brooks' defense team filed another motion for the judge to lower his bond, and the judge, who goes by Honorable Sims, denied the motion, citing the safety issues at hands for any witnesses to the case.

Speaker 3 An indictment hearing was held on December 6th, and during the hearing, it was said that Steve aided one or more persons in the planning or commission of the death of another, and also destroyed, mutilated, concealed, or removed any evidence on July 3rd or July 4th, 2015.

Speaker 3 It was allegedly Joseph who took Crystal's car and parked it on the side of the highway.

Speaker 3 He claimed that while Joseph was moving Crystal's car, it got a flat tire at that mile marker where it was left. So Joseph called Steve to come and get him, which he did.

Speaker 3 He claimed that Steve had no idea why Joseph had that car or what he was doing with it.

Speaker 3 It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me that Steve was the person working for Brooks, yet his son would be the one mainly in contact with Brooks and doing all of his dirty work.

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Speaker 3 Jack Whitehall plays Adam, a charming manny who infiltrates the wealthy Tanner family with a hidden motive to destroy them.

Speaker 3 This edge-of-your-seat revenge thriller unravels a deliciously dark mystery in a world full of wealth, secrets, and betrayal.

Speaker 7 Malice will constantly keep you on your toes.

Speaker 3 Why is Adam after the Tanner family?

Speaker 8 What lengths will he go to?

Speaker 9 One thing's for sure, the past never stays buried, so keep your enemies close.

Speaker 12 Watch Malice, all episodes now streaming exclusively on Prime Video.

Speaker 20 California has millions of homes that could be damaged in a strong earthquake.

Speaker 24 Older homes are especially vulnerable to quake damage, so you may need to take steps to strengthen yours.

Speaker 26 Visit strengthenyourhouse.com to learn how to strengthen your home and help protect it from damage.

Speaker 28 The work work may cost less than you think and can often be done in just a few days.

Speaker 27 Strengthen your home and help protect your family.

Speaker 32 Get prepared today and worry less tomorrow.

Speaker 34 Visit strengthenyourhouse.com.

Speaker 3 Now, before we get into the trial drama of it all, let's hit some pre-trial highlights. First up, Brooks, you know, the ever-so-charming guy, he asked for a change of venue.
And honestly, fair.

Speaker 3 Everyone in the town had pretty much spent the last decade sci-eyeing him, whether it was the grocery store, on the street, at the gas station, you name it. So this was a fair ask.

Speaker 3 And the court ended up saying, you know, fine, you can have your trial in a different area. You can change the venue.

Speaker 3 So the trial was now going to move to Bowling Green, but it didn't end there because then Steve Lawson went full courtroom diva. I am talking the works.

Speaker 3 During a pre-trial hearing, he literally fired his lawyer right there in court on the spot, and he asked the judge for a new attorney.

Speaker 18 His counsel. His counsel anymore, sir.

Speaker 37 I'm sorry,

Speaker 37 I can't use his counsel anymore, sir. Okay, are you saying that you're wanting a different trial? Yes, sir.
That's exactly what I'm saying, sir.

Speaker 3 And because Steve had made those statements, the ones about Crystal's car implicating Joseph, lawyers for Brooks and Joseph said that Steve should be tried separately so that it would keep things fair.

Speaker 3 So Steve got his own trial, while Brooks and Joseph Lawson just got lumped together. And Steve, he was the first to face the jury in May of 2025.

Speaker 3 And his defense with this whole thing was basically like, yeah, I helped hide the car, but I didn't know that there was a murder that was involved, which, okay, sure, my guy.

Speaker 3 On the stand, Steve also admitted that on the night that Crystal disappeared, his son Joseph had called him for a ride.

Speaker 3 Steve showed up, found Joseph next to Crystal's abandoned car, and then made the decision to help him stage it.

Speaker 3 He said that he moved the driver's seat forward so that it would look like Crystal had driven the car. Then he took the baseball bat from the car and drove off and didn't ask any other questions.

Speaker 3 And according to Steve, the reason for that is because he thought that the car was stolen. Yet, according to the prosecution, it's because he knew that it was evidence in a murder.

Speaker 3 And remember that infamous phone call to Brooks, the one that Steve claimed was about a rental property? Well, in court, he finally admitted that he had called Brooks to say, quote, the job is done.

Speaker 3 And that's not the only thing that Steve said about Brooks. The prosecution, they brought receipts, literal jailhouse phone calls that had been recorded.

Speaker 3 And in these calls, Steve admitted that Brooks, according to him, wanted Crystal gone.

Speaker 16 One on January 5th, Lawson's mother wanted to know, Brooks, Hauk didn't ask you to kill her? Lawson responded, he said, I want her gone. I said, what are you talking about?

Speaker 16 I don't know why you're talking to me.

Speaker 15 No more, no less.

Speaker 16 End of story. They then talked about Rogers' car found on Bluegrass Parkway and Steve and Joseph Lawson's involvement with it.
Why in the hell did you take him to get her car? Lawson's mother said.

Speaker 16 I don't know, mom. That's the truth.
The call ends with her asking Lawson, when you knew she was missing, why didn't you say something? He responds, yeah, I should have said something right then.

Speaker 16 In a second call a few days later with an unknown person, Lawson is asked about Crystal's body. I'm telling you, I don't know, he said.
The frustrated caller says to Lawson, it's premeditated murder.

Speaker 16 There's no premeditation on my end, Lawson responded. You could have saved that girl's life and you didn't.
Lawson says, I never set nobody up.

Speaker 3 So prosecutors argued that obviously Steve wasn't clueless about the murder. And in fact, he was actually getting paid to help hide it.

Speaker 3 Because as it turns out, Brooks promised him future drywall work if he helped him out.

Speaker 3 Which is so crazy because when you think about it, it means that Steve helped cover this murder of an innocent woman all in exchange for the chance at a construction job.

Speaker 3 How does that math at all equate? In the end, though, the jury didn't buy his whole, you know, I didn't know. I thought the car was just stolen, that whole act, not at all.

Speaker 3 And on May 30th, 2025, Steve was found guilty on both counts. And they recommended that he be sentenced to 17 years.

Speaker 3 So now let's move on to the main event, Brooks and Joseph, because remember, they were going to trial together. And boy, oh boy, was it worth the wait.
Now let me just say this.

Speaker 3 The prosecution had to build its case almost entirely on circumstantial evidence because Crystal's body still hadn't been found at this point. And we also don't know what the murder weapon was, right?

Speaker 3 But they didn't let that stop them. And they still came with some serious evidence.
One of the biggest pieces of it was the secret audio recording. recording of Brooks and his mom Rosemary.

Speaker 3 Because in this clip, Brooks asks if the police took his brother Nick's car. And you can barely hear Rosemary say anything, but when you really listen, she basically says, Yeah, they took it.

Speaker 3 And he's worried about the blanket in the back of it. You don't think that you left anything on that blanket, do you?

Speaker 3 And then, without almost missing a single beat, Brooks just responds saying, Don't worry about it.

Speaker 3 Which begs the question: like, hello, if you're innocent, why would you guys be panicking about what is on a blanket in your trunk?

Speaker 18 So, Brook is calling.

Speaker 3 Then there was the testimony from Charlie Girdley, one of Brooks's former employees and also, I have to just say, like the MVP of Jaw Dropping Testimony.

Speaker 3 Charlie said that on the night of July 3rd, he saw Brooks give Joseph Lawson Crystal's car keys.

Speaker 3 Then Charlie said that Joseph told him that if it came down to it, he would quote, pull her teeth and the hogs would do the rest.

Speaker 3 Now, if you aren't familiar with like hogs and boars and things like that, they will feed on many of them, not all, maybe all, but the majority of them will literally feed on a human body.

Speaker 3 And so a lot of people in a lot of twisted, disgusting cases will leave a body out in the woods, the forest, the farmland, wherever it is. I think I just said foods, but you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 The woods, the forest, the farmland, wherever it is, and like allow nature to take its course and for the evidence to be destroyed that way. And that's exactly what he was implying here.

Speaker 3 Pulling the teeth so that they would not be able to match dental records and then feeding her to the hogs. It's sick.

Speaker 3 I mean, it's just such a disgusting, dehumanizing, awful thing to say about another human being.

Speaker 3 And this was really impactful, so much so that the jury seemed to agree and take what Charlie said very seriously. They even asked to re-watch his testimony before they went into deliberation.

Speaker 39 He said he'd been saved her head and pull her teeth and the holds of due risk. Okay.

Speaker 3 This is from the direct examination of Charlie Girdley, a former employee of Brooks Howe. This was testimony.
The jury asked to re-watch.

Speaker 41 Do you remember any conversation

Speaker 39 you had about Joey

Speaker 41 about Crystal's car that we can't even say it one time.

Speaker 39 He said he was buried it with a skinster, nobody ever found it. Steve had come up to me and

Speaker 39 said something up Brooks wanted to get rid of his old lady. He wasn't man for the job that I was.

Speaker 3 Now, the Lawson family, they had a lot to say too. Heather, Steve's ex-girlfriend, said that she overheard the Lawsons talk about moving a body off of the family farm.

Speaker 3 And Joseph's grandma, Barbara, had said that Joseph actually told her that Steve had killed Crystal. Which talk about like family bonding at its absolute worst, right?

Speaker 3 Why would you confide in grandma that there was a murder and get everybody else roped in? It just kind of shows how sick and twisted and deep this whole thing really goes.

Speaker 3 Now, on the tech side, prosecutors used cell phone data to blow holes in everybody's alibis. Brooks had said that Crystal was playing on her phone that night, well past midnight.

Speaker 3 Except it turns out that her phone died around 9.30 p.m. and it was also manually shut off just before midnight.
Then it later turned up in her abandoned car days later.

Speaker 3 So, you know, nice try at Brooks trying to say she was like playing games around Farmville or whatever the hell he was saying past midnight. It's like, the data will never lie.

Speaker 3 Then came the white Buick. You know, the car that was owned by Brooks' grandma, the one that was seen near the Walmart and the farm the night that Crystal vanished.

Speaker 3 Well, sure enough, inside that car, police found hair that was consistent with matching crystals.

Speaker 3 So, with all of this, even without a body or without a murder weapon or even a confession, all of this circumstantial evidence really was adding up. And it didn't take long for the jury to deliberate.

Speaker 3 After just four hours, the jury came back. Brooks was found guilty of murder, principal or accomplice, and also tampering with evidence.

Speaker 3 Joseph was found guilty of conspiracy to murder and also tampering with evidence.

Speaker 41 In regard to Commonwealth versus Brooks William Howck, in regard to instruction number

Speaker 41 four,

Speaker 41 it says we the jury find the defendant guilty of murder, principal, or accomplice under instruction number 4C.

Speaker 41 And under instruction number five, it says we the jury find the defendant guilty of tampering with physical evidence under instruction number five.

Speaker 41 In regard to Joseph Lawson, the verdict form number four says we the jury find the defendant guilty of conspiracy to commit murder under instruction number 4A.

Speaker 41 And under verdict number five, we the jury find the defendant guilty of tampering with physical evidence under instruction number five.

Speaker 3 So the sentencing phase followed immediately.

Speaker 3 And if you thought that that first deliberation was short, let me just say it took the jury literally 20 minutes this time to recommend the sentencing, which also happened to be the maximum possible sentence for both Brooks and Joseph.

Speaker 3 And that was life in prison for Brooks and 25 years for Joseph. Now, final sentencing is scheduled for August 21st, but I'm sure you know what I'm going to say, right?

Speaker 3 I say, lock them up, throw away the key, feed him to the hogs, bye-bye. Now, here's what's really interesting.

Speaker 3 Brooks might not be the only family member in hot water because the former lead detective on the case said after the trial that it is over.

Speaker 3 When he was asked if justice was done, he simply replied, quote, no. I feel like we've got a little more to go.
You'll see. So does that mean that more arrests might be coming? Maybe for Nick?

Speaker 3 Maybe even for Rosemary? What about Grandma Barbara? You know, not that I'm saying grandma, you know, was involved, but clearly she was told about it. So what else is going to happen?

Speaker 42 The prosecutor Shane Young mentioned Brooks Hauk's brother and mother as co-conspirators in the case. Young named Nick Hauk and Rosemary Hauck.
They have not been charged.

Speaker 42 The defense and prosecution also mentioned 2019 taxes filed for COVID benefits under Crystal's name, but didn't elaborate.

Speaker 42 Young said people are filing taxes under dead people's names as tax fraud is happening across the nation.

Speaker 43 I think Rosemary and Nick had something to do with it, and I think that will all come out within time.

Speaker 43 Does today give a sense of closure?

Speaker 43 Some way. I would still wish we would be able to lay her to risk the way she needs to be.

Speaker 43 Do you think that will ever happen?

Speaker 3 In time, yeah.

Speaker 43 I do hope that it will happen.

Speaker 3 As Crystal's daughter reminded everyone, there is still one huge question here.

Speaker 3 Where is Crystal? What exactly happened to her? I can only hope for her family's sake that somebody finally cracks and tells the truth. I don't care care if they're trying to work out a deal.

Speaker 3 I don't care if they're trying to flip on the other person to make their sentencing less when the official sentencing comes down. I don't care what it is.

Speaker 3 I just hope that somebody does crack or flip and that the investigators find her remains and that her family finally gets that peace.

Speaker 3 However, that being said, if they truly did feed her to the hogs or do something in that vein, It's very possible that her remains will never be found and that we may never have that answer.

Speaker 3 And let's not forget, there hasn't been justice for Tommy in all of this either. Crystal's dad was likely murdered for pushing to find his own daughter.
Where is the justice in that?

Speaker 3 And the FBI is offering a $10,000 reward for tips in his case. So hopefully that amount of money too is enough to make somebody hopefully talk so that the family can get justice for him as well.

Speaker 40 The Ballard sat through every moment of two high-profile trials in just the last few weeks.

Speaker 40 Three convictions followed. But closure did not.
What are you guys doing now to maybe get more people to talk?

Speaker 44 Now that the FBI has done what they've done, it's opened us back up to that and we're raising our reward as far as that goes.

Speaker 40 This year the family more than doubled the reward now offering $50,000 of their own money. The FBI has also renewed its call for tips, a signal the case is not forgotten.

Speaker 44 They haven't forgot Tommy Ballard and they're still working on it and it was good to see that they offered a reward as well.

Speaker 40 The recent convictions in Crystal's case brought tears and some sense of relief, but they didn't bring closure.

Speaker 44 I feel really good about the conviction on all three of them, that's for sure.

Speaker 44 But I know we've got a little bit of waiting period to go through that process and we'll see how that goes and go from there.

Speaker 40 Ballard says someone out there knows the truth and now more than ever the family needs them to speak up.

Speaker 44 Anybody that has anything, whether, I mean, they may not think it's anything, but if they remember anything about that day or the day before, from somebody parked on the Bluegrass Parkway, somebody walking on the Bluegrass Parkway, something they heard, no matter how small it is, you never know what it's going to be a good tip or not a good tip.

Speaker 44 And the police, they want those tips.

Speaker 40 From the farm where Tommy Ballard fell and took his last breath, A memorial still stands along with the family still standing and searching for Crystal and still waiting for justice.

Speaker 44 I'm never going to have peace until Crystal's remains are found and an arrest and the murder of my brother.

Speaker 40 While the family continues to search for Crystal's remains, Ballard believes the three men convicted in the case should and could provide answers.

Speaker 44 100%. Yes, I do.
I mean, I feel like that all of them should man up and tell. what they know.
Do I think that's going to happen? Probably not.

Speaker 3 As for now, at least three of these scumbags are finally behind bars. But like we heard, there still may be a ways to go.
We still need justice for her father. We need full answers.

Speaker 3 There might be other family members implicated. So while there has been justice in a way for Crystal at this point, which I'm happy about, I'm thrilled about, there is still...

Speaker 3 quite a bit of a road to go in my opinion. So this is the majority of what's going on or what has gone on thus far in the Crystal Rogers case.

Speaker 3 But if we do end up hearing more updates in the future, such as a body discovery, more details, more arrests, I certainly will keep you guys updated.

Speaker 3 Thank you so much for tuning in today and hearing Crystal's story, keeping her name alive, keeping her father's name alive, and just pushing forward for accountability, justice, and answers.

Speaker 3 Until the next one, guys, be nice. Don't kill people.
Don't get involved with any wild hogs. And just please, please, please be a good human.

Speaker 3 If you have dirtbag family or dirtbag family by proxy because of in-laws or whatever it may be, just steer clear of them. Don't let them rope you into things.

Speaker 3 Not saying that like they were innocent and all this and got unknowingly roped in, but like just make good decisions. Okay, I'm rambling, so I'm gonna shut up.
But thank you guys for tuning in.

Speaker 3 Okay, bye.

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