313: Emmanuel Haro New Details, Ring Cam Captures Husband Dragging Body, Trey Wright Killed in Teen Love Triangle

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Speaker 2 Hey, True Crime Besties, welcome back to an all-new episode of Serialess Lee.

Speaker 2 Hello, hello, hello. Welcome back to an all-new episode of Serialess Lee with me, your host, Annie Elise.
I hope you guys are having a good week so far. I know lots has been going on this week.

Speaker 2 Lots, lots has, lots, I can't talk, lots has been going on this week. We have the hearings from the Emmanuel Harrow case that took place on Tuesday.
Donna Adelson's trial is like fully underway.

Speaker 2 There's, of course, new crimes coming out and updates and crimes, like a lot to go over. And we're going to go get to all of it.
Don't worry.

Speaker 2 There is a lot that we're going to get to, the old, the new, the updates, all of it.

Speaker 2 But before we do, I do have some quick updates on some past cases that we've talked about that I just kind of want to run through with you guys. It's not going to be a big deep dive.

Speaker 2 It won't even be a mini deep dive. It's just going to keep you updated because you probably have listened to the full-length episodes.
And I just want you to have the scoop and be in the know.

Speaker 2 Before we get there, though, I'm jumping a little bit ahead. We are tonight in Raleigh, North Carolina.
If you're coming out to the show tonight, I'm excited to see you.

Speaker 2 If you're not coming, I think there's still time if you you want to grab tickets, we did Atlanta last night, Nashville on Tuesday night.

Speaker 2 This next leg of the tour that's going to be coming up, we're going to be hitting all of the different places in Texas, Austin, Dallas, Houston, all the things.

Speaker 2 So remember, it is not too late to grab your tickets. You can do so at annie.com and then toggle over to the tour tab.

Speaker 2 Also, from all of your feedback that we got last week, you really liked that I had my sister Amy join.

Speaker 2 It felt like a little bit different dynamic, more conversational, and just, you know, some different energy. So

Speaker 2 Amy's back. Hi.
And this is the first time that we have talked since Friday. Yes.
So this is the first time that we actually are like sitting down and reconnecting.

Speaker 3 So I know I saw all your updates coming through on social media, but I didn't have a chance to like listen to all of them. So I'm looking forward to hearing that date.

Speaker 2 There were a lot of updates. I know.

Speaker 3 Your stories were going off this weekend.

Speaker 2 No, I know. It's like, get me in a room where like, I don't have a million things to do and it's a problem on social media.

Speaker 3 We love the teddy bear jammies, the updates in real time.

Speaker 2 Yeah. So for anybody who doesn't follow along on Instagram, you should.
My handle's at underscore Annie Elise. No, but sometimes when new updates come in, I kind of like go off the rails.

Speaker 2 And so, yeah, just in my pajamas, no makeup on this weekend. It was like breaking.
Everything with the Emmanuel case was like breaking as it was happening.

Speaker 2 So like, yeah, it was just a lot of updates and a lot of rapid fire social media posts.

Speaker 2 but you know okay so let's start with some of these updates i want to start with sarah grace now amy you i don't know if you are super familiar with this case so let me give a backstory but i did a deep dive on this case a few weeks ago and i'm gonna link it in case you have not listened to it because it is a wild one i think everybody should hear it but basically this 17 year old girl named sarah grace patrick is a teen who's accused of murdering her mom and dad okay and what made this case so crazy and so viral is that after her parents were murdered, first of all, her five-year-old younger sister is the one who found their bodies and called 911.

Speaker 2 I mean, awful. So Sarah, before anybody knew what had happened, Sarah Grace took to TikTok.
She was begging everybody for help. She was DMing content creators, being like, can you cover our story?

Speaker 2 Like, we're trying to figure out who did this to my parents, my poor sister who found them. Come to find out, she ends up getting arrested for the murders.

Speaker 2 And like, so it was obviously super polarizing because now all that footage on her TikTok is going viral all over again.

Speaker 2 People are wondering, like, what kind of evil monster are you that you would kill your parents, allegedly, and then allow your five-year-old sister to be the one to discover them and call 911.

Speaker 2 It's just awful. So, she was back in court this week, hoping to get out on bond.

Speaker 2 And it was a very emotional hearing because her grandfather was there, her pastor, several of her friends, all pleading with the judge to just let her go home and await for trial there, which I have to also say, and again, listen to the deep dive for those of you who haven't.

Speaker 2 There are a lot of people in her corner who either are saying she's not capable of doing this, she could never do something like this.

Speaker 2 I've even heard some light rumblings out there of like, maybe there was something happening inside the home that caused her to do this.

Speaker 3 What was the relationship like with her parents? Not that that. justifies any total behavior like that, but yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 And so, I mean, we're still trying to figure everything out, but a lot of people are standing behind her saying that this is like unlike her.

Speaker 2 So they all show up like in droves to this hearing hearing being like please let her out until trial but prosecutors pushed back really hard with that saying not only is she a flight risk but she also poses a risk of intimidating witnesses specifically her five-year-old younger sister who found her parents called 911 all of that and while a lot of people are supporting her and are advocating for her release her innocence all these things there is a pocket of family members who are actually very scared of her and specifically yeah, specifically her stepbrother and some other family members spoke out and told the judge that they're terrified at the idea of her being released, saying that they fear for their own safety.

Speaker 2 So everybody kind of went back and forth for a minute. In the end, the judge agreed with the prosecution and they ruled that Sarah does have to stay in jail and wait for the trial.

Speaker 2 So more to come on that. More information is continuing also to come in regarding that case.
So we may end up circling back on it and just doing an update down the road.

Speaker 2 But again, you can go listen to that. It's a few weeks back in the feed.
Now, some other big news that hit over the weekend, Eric and Lyle Menendez.

Speaker 2 I know, I know it's everywhere.

Speaker 3 The two brothers that never seem to disappear.

Speaker 2 Exactly. They have been denied parole.
So the California Parole Board officially denied parole for both of them this last week.

Speaker 2 And as a reminder, for anybody who doesn't know, Eric and Lyle were sentenced back in what, the 80s or the 90s to life in prison without the possibility for parole parole because of the brutal double murder of their parents.

Speaker 2 I think the murder took place in 1987. I don't remember exactly when the trial took place, but lots of division about this.

Speaker 2 I have seen so many different people, not just like on news channels, mainstream media, content creators, but there's a lot of division out there of like, do people think they should be released?

Speaker 2 Do they think they belong still in prison?

Speaker 2 And Of course, one of the main reasons people are advocating for their release is because of the allegations of abuse inside the home and that that's what caused this.

Speaker 2 They were trying to break away from their father, that he has this history, even the guy with menudo, the band had spoke out and all those things.

Speaker 2 So,

Speaker 2 and saying that the wife, Kitty, their mother, kind of just like was complicit in this and allowed it to happen. So people are like, they've served their time.
Let them out.

Speaker 2 They're not a danger to society anymore. Well, then there's this whole other side of the argument saying, no, they were young, yes, but like grown technical adults when this happened.

Speaker 2 It was premeditated. It was planned.
They even went back outside to reload the shotgun and come back in and then went on this like massive gross spending spree. Yes.
Like to the nth degree.

Speaker 3 Just like flashy and not even trying to be humble about it at all.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Saying like that that was the motivator in all of this.

Speaker 3 Well then, and when this whole parole hearing came back up, just what was it, a couple months ago, I thought that it looked almost maybe likely that that was going to happen.

Speaker 3 But then didn't didn't some of the statements that they had made that came out that were compelling enough to maybe change this ruling come back as then being false and not proven?

Speaker 2 Some of them did. And I think, and I don't quote me on this, but I think with Eric, because honestly, like, I just haven't been following it that much.
Like, not to say I'm not interested, but like.

Speaker 2 I'm not really that interested. Like, I don't like, I'm sorry, I'm not.
Like, they're serving their time.

Speaker 2 I'm not like on the LA Innocence Project trying to get them out, but like, it's above my pay grade on if they should be released or not.

Speaker 2 But from what I did tap into and see over the weekend was that it appears that Eric was first denied parole before Lyle and before Lyle had his hearing because of his behavior while he's been incarcerated.

Speaker 2 And I saw some fair arguments on that too, though, because I saw some people being like, well, yeah, if he thought that he was spending the rest of his life in prison, he probably didn't give a shit how he was acting.

Speaker 2 Had he known that he was possibly up for parole after 20 or 30 years or whatever, like maybe he would have acted differently. So I can see both arguments.

Speaker 2 I don't know where I really sit with all of this. I think that it's not a clear-cut case or decision.

Speaker 2 I know a lot of people always ask me my opinion on it and want me to do the deep dive on it, but I intentionally stay away because it's so controversial. What do you think?

Speaker 3 Well, I think too, what's interesting about this case is it's similar to a Lacey Peterson or an O.J. Simpson, where our generation watched it in real time or close to real time.

Speaker 2 Not that old. Why are you at a lock? Why are you throwing us under the bus?

Speaker 3 But then now the new generation who's watching it has a completely different perspective.

Speaker 3 And so I think those are a lot of the people who are advocating for their parole as this younger generation who's experiencing like listening to this and learning about it for the first time.

Speaker 3 Whereas we've heard about it for years, they relished in some of the notoriety a little bit.

Speaker 3 spending was oh you're talking like immediately following the murder yeah immediately following the limelight yeah they loved the limelight And so to me, I think that kind of contradicts some of the messaging that's coming about now.

Speaker 3 But obviously, I don't know enough to speak to whether the abuse was happening or not. And obviously, if it was, that's awful.
And I don't know, you know, how maybe that affected them growing up.

Speaker 2 Even when there's, you know, it's tough because it's a fine line.

Speaker 2 It's like, even if there is that kind of abuse happening inside the home, it doesn't excuse murder in such a calculated and premeditated way. I don't know.
It's tough. It's tough.

Speaker 2 And such a brutal way.

Speaker 3 Yeah. And the mother too.

Speaker 2 And the money, yeah, and the money of it all. That's a huge factor in this.
It really is.

Speaker 2 It's funny because you just brought up how we lived through this in real time, just like OJ and all these other major cases that are now resurfacing that Ryan Murphy's putting out on FX and all these things.

Speaker 2 And the younger generation, it's almost like they're seeing it for the first time and getting a whole new lens into it and only like one lens maybe. And you know what?

Speaker 2 When you said that, it brought to mind Gypsy Rose. Because if you remember, we like, that wasn't even that long ago, but we lived through that.
And we remember when that was in the headlines.

Speaker 2 And when she was released, everyone came out supporting Gypsy Rose. She's the victim.
This and that. She is a victim.
Don't get me wrong.

Speaker 2 What she did to her mother with her boyfriend and like how she basically like, I don't want to say brainwashed him into it, but like brought him into it and all these things.

Speaker 2 Like, Everyone was riding so hard for Gypsy Rose when she was released. And it was the younger generation.

Speaker 2 And now the tide has totally started to shift and people are back against her and like realizing how awful it is, especially because, gosh, when was it?

Speaker 2 I think it was maybe a year ago, maybe a little less, her mom's crime scene photos were released.

Speaker 2 That is something I would not wish on anybody to see. I stumbled across it accidentally and it is so god-awful and horrifying.
But I think when people then saw it and also saw how she was like,

Speaker 2 I'm having a hard time. You guys know I need a thesaurus, like, not tricking her boyfriend, but like manipulating.
Yes, thank you, thank you. That's the word.
Ding, ding, ding, that's the word.

Speaker 2 And it's not even a fancy word.

Speaker 2 When she was like manipulating him into this and coercing him into this, and like this poor kid, he suffered from like, you know, that I could go on and on.

Speaker 2 But anyway, my point being in all of that for like the longest rant ever is that I think sometimes

Speaker 2 when people are getting a first glance into these cases, they're so quick to want to

Speaker 2 empathize with the perpetrator or like under maybe understand them is a better way of putting it to where they miss a lot of like the nuanced part of it. Sure.

Speaker 3 Well, I think too with Gypsy Rose, it's a little different because there were clear, obvious signs of abuse and like the surgeries and all of the direct effects that you could visually see.

Speaker 3 And those were all confirmed. With the Menendez brothers, a lot of that is unconfirmed.
It's from years ago.

Speaker 2 There's like the letter from the cousin. Yes.

Speaker 3 there isn't as much compelling evidence.

Speaker 3 And you're also seeing it now being told when they're men versus as a child with Gypsy Rose. You kind of saw her in that younger age and this happening in real time.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 I think that probably built more empathy from people who were seeing it for the first time.

Speaker 2 Let me ask you this. This thought just came into my mind.

Speaker 2 If the Menendez trial was happening right now and they were 18-year-old boys

Speaker 2 or college-aged boys. And they said that there was abuse happening.
They still did the spending spree. All the components are there.
Because

Speaker 2 now sexual assault and sexual assault in the home is talked about more widely than it was in the 80s. Do you think they would have been convicted?

Speaker 3 I don't know. I think it would have been a more mixed jury.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I do.
Because back then it's true. Nobody talked about it.
No, it would, nobody wanted to even believe that things like that were real.

Speaker 3 Because who knows, maybe more people would have come forward. We'd have more information.
Or yeah, I definitely think it would be a different situation.

Speaker 2 Tech would be different. All sorts of things.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's tough to say. So sorry, guys.
I know that that went on way longer than I thought. Also, really quickly, the Emmanuel Harrow update.

Speaker 2 I know you saw me going wild last weekend on Instagram with all the updates.

Speaker 2 So let me kind of just like backtrack because I know the last time you and I spoke about it, it was when the parents, was it when the parents were arrested? No, they hadn't been arrested yet.

Speaker 2 Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 So basically on friday they ended up being arrested and they live down in cabazon so like not far from here so they ended up being arrested charged with murder with malice which basically malice is like i don't know if it's technically an enhancement or if it's just like a layer on the murder charge but typically it's associated with first degree and second degree murder and it means that there was intention there whether it was express malice or um what I think it's intended malice, where it's basically like, either you knew this was going to happen, you planned it, or not even planned it, but like you knew that you were going to kill him, or you were acting in such a reckless way that this was the only outcome.

Speaker 2 Yeah, exactly. So anyway, they had been charged.
Then there was some weird stuff over the weekend on Sunday. Jake was seen out on the 60 freeway right over there by,

Speaker 2 is it Gilman Springs? Yeah, Gilman Springs, like kind of between like around Merino Valley. Okay.
And there's like this canyon that goes down right there off the 60.

Speaker 2 So he was seen with like a lineup of investigators, cops, detectives, everybody. And he was out there in his full like orange jumpsuit.

Speaker 2 So there was a lot of speculation that he was leading them to Emmanuel's body, trying to flip a deal, flip on Rebecca, which I think he was going to flip on Rebecca from day one.

Speaker 2 I've been calling that.

Speaker 3 Because didn't you say they got separate attorneys now?

Speaker 2 Yeah, which isn't. always weird because sometimes you do need separate representation, but like the attorney kept saying, you need to talk to Rebecca, you need to talk to Rebecca.

Speaker 2 Back in 2018, everything with his 10-week old daughter, he flipped on his ex Vanessa.

Speaker 2 So it's like, it just seems likely that that's what, I don't think this guy was out there on the 60 freeway out of the kindness of his heart,

Speaker 2 taking accountability. But they announced that they did not find him.

Speaker 2 So I think there's a few different things with that. And this is at the time of this recording, guys.
So maybe there's going to be an update. If there is, I will put it in the show notes.

Speaker 2 But they announced they did not find Emmanuel's body. So I think this could be looked at a few different ways.
One,

Speaker 2 he thought that he remembered the right location. And because it's so vast and so much desert and dirt, he didn't.
And he thought he was mistaken.

Speaker 2 Two, he's sending them on a wild goose chase, just kind of like Casey Anthony. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 Just taking them all around, but it's also kind of like, well, there has to be some sort of loose confession weaved in there if you're taking them to a site.

Speaker 2 Like, obviously you would have knowledge, even if he says it was Rebecca, who knows? Or, and I thought this was really interesting. And I saw somebody else mention this.

Speaker 2 Maybe the cops were tipped off to that area for whatever reason through their tech, their GPS, all that.

Speaker 2 And they brought Jake with them and did it so that when word got back to rebecca she would think that he's flipping okay and then she would spill so that was gonna be my question to you is why would he be out there with them if he wasn't giving some sort of information whether factual or not but why would he be there but maybe to get but yeah to give her the wrong idea yeah as it would that be then some a tactic that the police would i would think so if that's even i mean i don't know how legal that is but i think it i think it is fine so yeah as of right now we don't know know.

Speaker 2 But again, actually, what we'll do right now is I'm going to plug some dead air for room for an update because updates are coming out minute by minute. And if there's an update, I will plug it here.

Speaker 2 If there's not an update, we're just going to keep on going. So, sure enough, there was an update.

Speaker 2 So, coming on here after the fact and giving you guys the update before we continue, there was a press conference on Wednesday where they talked all about the charges against Rebecca and Jake.

Speaker 2 And both of them have been charged with murder. They also have been charged with false reporting.
And I think that it was interesting because in the press conference, they say a few things.

Speaker 2 They say that the parties, meaning one or both, that there was a level of cooperation when they were searching on the side of the 60 freeway, which again, I know in the beginning, there was a lot of speculation that maybe Jake had flipped, maybe he was cooperating, maybe he was trying to like turn on Rebecca.

Speaker 2 They didn't confirm if it was Jake, Rebecca, or both, but they did say that there was a level of cooperation and that's what led them to that location. However, they did not find Emmanuel's remains.

Speaker 2 Now that could be for a variety of reasons still, whether he lied or she lied and that wasn't really where it was or animals may have unfortunately gotten to the remains and moved them and that's why they couldn't find him.

Speaker 2 So they're still actively looking for him. Another thing that was mentioned was that there have been no plea bargains offered and that there will not be any plea bargains offered.

Speaker 2 So again, going back to the mentality of, okay, did Jake flip? Would she flip?

Speaker 2 It seems as though they're not even offering any of that on the table and they believe that they have enough evidence to continue with the charges of murder and, of course, false reporting.

Speaker 2 I had mentioned earlier this week and at some of the live shows that we've had so far that when I looked at their booking paperwork, even once it was updated, it was showing a first-degree murder charge under Rebecca and not under Jake.

Speaker 2 It was just showing murder with malice under Jake. And I was kind of confused by that.
I was wondering if that meant that they thought Rebecca was the one who killed Emmanuel.

Speaker 2 But apparently, according to people who work in the different facilities where they are,

Speaker 2 because they're still being charged with the same penal code, I believe it's 127A, it's the exact same charge, but the admin system, when it's entered in, sometimes populates differently depending on the facility.

Speaker 2 I don't know too much about that because I obviously am not familiar with that software, the programming, but it does appear that they are charged with the same level of charges.

Speaker 2 Jake also has some additional ones for probation violation, possession of a firearm, things of that nature, but it doesn't appear that there's any different charge for Rebecca in terms of first-degree murder.

Speaker 2 And they also didn't say anything at the press conference on Wednesday about there being anything different either. So that's that news.

Speaker 2 They also do believe that, based on evidence and things that they aren't sharing outright, that Emmanuel's death was a result of ongoing abuse, and that they believe that this has been happening for a while and that that is the result of this.

Speaker 2 And then he actually went really hard directly at the judge, who is the one who, you know, changed the sentencing for Jake from the 2018 incident.

Speaker 2 Jake was originally sentenced to 72 months in prison, but basically he like threw himself at the mercy of the judge and pled guilty.

Speaker 2 And in exchange, the judge was pretty lenient with him and gave him 180 days plus work release, which is basically like community service. And he didn't even have to serve the 180 days.

Speaker 2 So during this press conference, they were going really hard at the judge for that decision and saying how had he actually gone to prison like he should have for that 2018 incident, then Emmanuel may still be alive.

Speaker 2 This never would have happened. So I thought that that was really interesting.

Speaker 2 Other than that, they said that there's no other suspects at this point in terms of other involvement or other family members who may have known something.

Speaker 2 They said they're not taking that off the table, but at this point, they don't have any reason to believe that there's anybody else involved. They have also, what else?

Speaker 2 They said that the report of Jake confessing to a fake inmate in prison was not accurate, that that was just a rumor, and that there has been no confession from either party at this point.

Speaker 2 They also made it a point to kind of go pretty hard against social media and people who have been reporting on this case just because of the level of speculation and theories that have been put out there that have been inaccurate.

Speaker 2 Although they did thank mainstream media for reaching out to them to actually get quotes and then quoting them accurately. And let me think, other than that, those were really the big takeaways.

Speaker 2 Their next court hearing, which will be their official arraignment, I believe, is going to be on September 4th. So next Thursday.
But that's really where we're at right now.

Speaker 2 So I will definitely keep you updated on what happens in this case.

Speaker 2 I may end up doing a full top to bottom single video or episode on this case too, just so that all of the information is in one place. But it's one that we will definitely be following closely.

Speaker 2 Okay, so I know that those updates took a really long time. I thought it would only take me five minutes.

Speaker 2 I apologize, but I know that there's a case that you said you were bringing to the table today that you want to talk about. Take it away.
Okay.

Speaker 3 So this one's really sad.

Speaker 3 This one comes out of New Hampshire from last week, and it's just one of those stories that makes your stomach turn because you can't really figure out like why something this tragic had to happen.

Speaker 3 But last week, in an apparent murder-suicide, Emily Long, who's 34, she's the mother of the family, tragically shot and killed her 48-year-old husband, Ryan, her eight-year-old son, Parker, and six-year-old daughter, Ryan.

Speaker 3 For some reason, they did have another toddler in the home, but luckily the toddler was left unharmed and no injuries. But unfortunately, the other four family members were killed.

Speaker 2 How old was the toddler in comparison to the six-year-old?

Speaker 3 Three years old.

Speaker 2 I mean, not that much younger. No, and there's no reason.

Speaker 3 Yeah, we don't know. But the autopsy results concluded that both of the children were killed with a single gunshot wound to the head.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God.

Speaker 3 Ryan had multiple gunshots, and then Emily took her own life with a single gunshot wound to the head.

Speaker 3 And her husband, Ryan, had recently been diagnosed with brain cancer and she had been expressing pretty openly on social media her depression and basically what their family has been going through as a result of this diagnosis, that the children were really struggling, that they weren't were having a hard time in their routine, getting dressed in the her getting dressed in the morning and just very open on TikTok with her followers about the struggle.

Speaker 3 So there's reason to believe that that might be some of the motive behind like mental health and depression.

Speaker 2 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 But again, my question with that, sorry to interrupt you, is like, not that I think family annihilation is understandable or excusable or any of that, but if her thought process was that she's so broken down and so depressed and so distraught at her husband's diagnosis that she has no other way out for her family, but to take everybody's life, why leave the three-year-old alive?

Speaker 3 I know. That's the big question.
But every, and that's really, I mean, there's so many heartbreaking things, right?

Speaker 3 You have this husband who's obviously already going through cancer, and I'm sure that was a huge, taking a huge toll on him as the father of the family.

Speaker 3 But then you've got the other two kids that passed, and then you have this toddler who's growing up without their siblings, without their parents, probably with a lot of questions, wondering why.

Speaker 3 And yeah, I don't know why.

Speaker 2 I would also imagine

Speaker 2 once they're older, survivor's guilt, even like.

Speaker 3 well, and I'm wondering, maybe she committed the first three murders and then couldn't bear to continue going, and that's when she took her own life. I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 Oh, God.

Speaker 3 Yeah, she was very open and raw in expressing that she had been struggling with depression. In fact, only days before the tragic event, Emily released a few videos that will break your heart.

Speaker 3 I have a few, so take a listen.

Speaker 4 Okay, I put makeup on and real clothes for the first time. Basically, makeup since we went to the Cape in July and real clothes in god only knows how long so

Speaker 4 I'm trying to get myself out of this rut I know that I've said this before but our kids are definitely struggling

Speaker 4 and now I'm starting to notice some changes in our three-year-old

Speaker 4 which is tough because

Speaker 4 He's too young for therapy. I know that people are going to say play therapy

Speaker 4 We've done that before and I just don't really see the benefit in it.

Speaker 4 And he's too young for talk therapy, obviously. But like for example, last night he just couldn't sleep.
He was up all night long. He was crying.

Speaker 4 And he's never like that. And I've been starting to notice him stirring more at night and just have a harder time.
And it's just devastating. But I am determined to create normalcy.

Speaker 4 We are going to go down the street to our neighbors who are close friends with a bunch of our other friends. I don't think that my husband will come.
Maybe he will because it's right down the street.

Speaker 4 It's just a couple houses down.

Speaker 4 But it's important for my kids to be with their friends. And

Speaker 4 I have been struggling so much and really depressed and

Speaker 4 just have really become reclusive and just wanted to be with my kids and my husband. And I,

Speaker 4 while that might feel good for me, I don't think that that's good for them.

Speaker 4 So, that being said, I am making a change. It is starting today.
I am going to start getting dressed.

Speaker 4 I am going to probably not put makeup on because I don't really wear makeup very often unless I'm going somewhere. But I need to become more social again.

Speaker 4 I used to be like the most social human on this planet. In the past month, I have basically declined 98% of all offers, and my kids need to be with their friends.
So, hold me to it.

Speaker 4 Today, I am adjusting my perspective and I'm making a point to get out of my depression and do this for my family. So, that being said, happy Saturday.
I hope everyone's having a fantastic day.

Speaker 4 I'm going to have a fantastic day.

Speaker 3 Sadly, this next video was the last one Emily would ever release, and it was recorded just one day before the murders.

Speaker 5 I just am so thankful. I feel no shortage of love and support.

Speaker 5 And I know that random people on here, if I messaged any single one of you and said, I need someone to talk to, I know that you guys would be there for me. So I just wanted to say thank you.

Speaker 5 And while this whole thing sucks, it has been so heartwarming to see how loved we are. And there's like nothing that can replace that.
So we're on to the future and we're going to get through this.

Speaker 5 And we're going to have a plan that's going to be even better in a month.

Speaker 3 I mean, Emily was clearly dealing with a lot of depression, but it's hard to.

Speaker 3 you know, you want to think maybe if she sought professional help or talked to more family or friends, like maybe this tragedy could have been prevented, but you just never know what people are going through.

Speaker 3 And obviously she was going through something really serious in her mind.

Speaker 3 And as we said earlier, like I can't even imagine for that one little boy who's the lone survivor, this is now forever his story.

Speaker 3 And he's got to make sense of what happened with his mom and with his siblings and his dad. And

Speaker 3 I can't even imagine.

Speaker 2 I wonder as like all these TikToks are like now being not even released because obviously they're public, but I guess like examined.

Speaker 2 And if people start, and like once they start looking into her devices and maybe searches, like I wonder what else will be uncovered to see.

Speaker 2 I mean, of course, it's got to be mental health related, but like, I wonder what, if it goes a little bit deeper.

Speaker 3 Well, and if she's reaching out and publicly expressing depression, I wonder how many people, if any, in her life did reach out and try to help her.

Speaker 3 I mean, I hope so, because to me, I mean, sometimes the hardest part is expressing that you're struggling. So she, she obviously felt comfortable to do that.

Speaker 3 So, I don't know if there was like a single moment that triggered this or if this was something planned out, but I hope that three-year-old has no memory of it and can't comprehend what happened.

Speaker 2 That's awful. I know, it's terrible.
Okay, so I want to talk to you about this next case. And I don't know if you have seen this on social media yet, like specifically this ring camera footage.

Speaker 2 It's been going viral. I think I did see something about it.
And it's in Lancaster. Okay.
So, not super far from us. Yeah.
Well, I say that about anywhere in California, I think.

Speaker 2 I don't think Lancaster is far from us, right? It takes like two hours to get there. Really? I think.
I thought it was like over by like Cyprus.

Speaker 3 Hold on. Let's look at that.
No, it's in LA.

Speaker 2 It is? Hold on.

Speaker 3 Like deep in LA.

Speaker 2 I think you're right.

Speaker 2 Yeah. It's over, but wait, it's over by Palmdale.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Oh, wow. Two hours, I think.
You're right. Two hours and five minutes.
Would you look at that, O'Brien?

Speaker 3 I was just bragging over the weekend how when we were in Toronto and you asked me what the water was i'm like i'm pretty sure it's one of the great lakes and i'm like my geography skills are getting better and better with it well is this the atlantic is what is this

Speaker 2 and meanwhile here i thought boston was below new york the whole time that was kind of mind-blowing i will say when we pulled up

Speaker 2 And that is why we're blonde.

Speaker 2 No, okay. So, yeah, I saw this footage that I thought was like my next door neighbor, apparently.
No, I'm just kidding.

Speaker 2 And it was, first of all, the footage alone was like enough to jolt you. But then when I started researching the case, I'm like, this guy is such a moron.
And it's like, it's just incredibly sad.

Speaker 2 So get this. First, let me rewind a little bit.
So back on August 16th, the body of 33-year-old Shayla Cabrera was found in the Angeles National Forest. And she was a mom of three.

Speaker 2 So she had first been reported missing just a few days earlier on August 12th by her neighbors. And let me just say this.
Like, I know everybody is always quick to be like, the husband did it.

Speaker 2 But truly, right from the jump, things were really off. Because when Shayla's family went to her husband, Hosimar, to ask what had happened, his story just kept changing.

Speaker 2 He could not remember the lie for the life of himself. At first, he told them, get this, that ice had taken her, which it's like, wouldn't you think that there's some sort of track record of that?

Speaker 2 I mean, I get it, not right away withholding and all that, but like something. But then he changed his story and said, no, no, no, she left with another man.
She just took off.

Speaker 2 She was having an affair. We've heard that before.
Literally a million times.

Speaker 2 Then in his third version, he said that she had been in some sort of elusive accident, but he wouldn't give any details about what the accident was, which is like, seriously?

Speaker 2 I mean, first of all, get your story straight.

Speaker 3 I never understand this when people commit crimes and then can't even bother to come up with one story and stick to it.

Speaker 2 No, it's like, stick with the ICE story, if anything, and just say, there's no record of her. She's not in the computer database.
I don't know. Like, obviously it's chaotic right now.

Speaker 2 Or be like, well, no, and she did mention she was going to leave with some guy. Like, maybe that's it.
Like, okay, fine. Throw two stories out there.

Speaker 2 But then to be like, she was in an accident will not provide further details. Like, what are you even talking about? You look so shady.
And here's where things really then started unraveling.

Speaker 2 The day after she was reported missing, all of her neighbors, of course, like came out in droves. They were looking for her.
They're the ones who reported her missing, apparently.

Speaker 2 And they started checking all of their doorbell cameras, being like, when's the last time somebody watched her walk out?

Speaker 2 Who had eyes on her last? And what do they find? Video of her husband dragging.

Speaker 2 Oh my gosh. Dragging a huge ass object that's wrapped up in some kind of sheet or blanket right out of the apartment that they lived in.
that they lived in, by the way, with their three little boys.

Speaker 2 And this footage, I told you, it's going viral. It is so eerie because I don't even like, I don't know what it's called, but imagine like you lay out a king-size flat sheet.
Okay.

Speaker 2 And then imagine you dump a body right into the middle of it. And then you pick up all the corners and hold them all together and you start dragging it.
That is exactly what this looked like.

Speaker 2 I don't understand.

Speaker 3 Was he just not even thinking about cameras?

Speaker 2 I have no idea, but it was at nighttime. So maybe he thought, like,

Speaker 2 yeah, maybe this doofus thinks that cameras don't work at night.

Speaker 2 But if you're listening to the, for those of you who are listening to the podcast right now, you need to go over and watch on my YouTube channel because this footage will blow your mind because there is no way that anybody can look at this footage and not think the exact same thing that I did, which is that looks like it's a body that he's dragging out of there.

Speaker 6 Chilling surveillance video shows a man dragging this heavy sack outside a Southern California apartment.

Speaker 6 Investigators say the body of his wife, 33-year-old Shayla Cabrera, was later found wrapped in similar material.

Speaker 2 So, I mean, what a complete idiot. But we also love to see when these criminals are like big and stupid, right?

Speaker 2 Because it's like, what kind of moron doesn't realize that in 2025, almost everybody has a doorbell camera footage or doorbell camera or whatever so maybe he like was so unbelievably narcissistic he just didn't even care maybe he thought he was untouchable who knows but this footage was found and then this part is what really kills me in his whole story of like you know i'm innocent there were all these different versions of events when that surveillance footage came out he didn't answer to it he didn't say oh no it was camping gear this and that he fled he fled oh my god to peru i know but seems like the worst criminal.

Speaker 3 I mean, multiple stories, then he just evades as soon as

Speaker 2 I know, which it gets even worse, though. You're going to like die.
No pun intended. No hold on.
It gets even worse, though. You're going to like freak out when I tell you this next part.

Speaker 2 So we all know, like, nothing screams innocent. Like, I'm going to flee the freaking country and grab my kids, hop on a plane, and go to South America.
But that's what he did.

Speaker 2 And the Peruvian consulate in LA later confirmed that he and his three kids did, in fact, arrive there. They arrived in Peru.

Speaker 2 Now the boys were taken into protective custody as soon as they landed, but here's the catch.

Speaker 2 They could not arrest the husband because there wasn't a warrant out for him yet, which I don't understand how there wasn't a warrant at this point because it's like, obviously, if you're working with like the consulate and you're now taking the kids into protective custody, like, how is there not a warrant?

Speaker 2 I think it's kind of like.

Speaker 2 they dropped the ball unless they truly just didn't have enough evidence. I don't know.
So they grab the boys and but they can't do anything with him.

Speaker 2 Now they finally do issue a warrant for his arrest, but big surprise, big shocker, he's nowhere to be found. And of course he's in hiding, right? He knows they're on to him.

Speaker 2 He's now in another country. He has the opportunity to like get ahead of them.
So who even knows where this scumbag went? At the time of this recording, he still has not been found. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 And Shayla's mom is begging the U.S. authorities to track him down.

Speaker 2 She also told the police that just days before Shayla went missing, she had confided in her mom that she was planning to file a criminal report against her husband for psychological and physical abuse.

Speaker 2 She said, quote, she told me that he hit her, mistreated her, and even slapped my youngest grandchild, who was only three. And it wasn't just her mom either.

Speaker 2 Friends and neighbors have also come forward saying Shayla told them the exact same thing, that she was being abused, that she was planning on taking the kids.

Speaker 2 She was going to leave him, like leave his sorry ass. So I think it's pretty clear what probably happened here.
If you're like looking at what the most likely scenario is, right?

Speaker 2 He knew that she was going to leave. He said, absolutely not.
You're not taking my kids. You're not leaving me.
So he probably killed her and then took his kids and fled.

Speaker 2 I just really hope it doesn't end up in one of those situations like Susan Powell, where remember when like he then lost custody of the kids and all that and he took their life and his own.

Speaker 2 We'll see how it ends. Hopefully that is not the end.

Speaker 3 I hope they find him soon.

Speaker 2 I know. So the case has been handed over to the LA DA's office and they say that they are, quote, working on obtaining the necessary documents to secure his return to the United States.

Speaker 2 But let's also be real when we say that, okay? He's in a whole different country. He could have a fake ID by now, a whole new name, you know, kind of completely under the radar.

Speaker 2 It also brings me back. I don't know if you are familiar with this case, but

Speaker 2 Caitlin Armstrong from, gosh,

Speaker 2 the state is blanking on me now of where it all went down, but it was like a love triangle murder. It was like this little like bicycle group.

Speaker 2 and then she fled to costa rica and got plastic surgery a whole new face yeah passport so it's like who knows what resources he has at his disposal so i don't know well and at that point it's like why not just let your wife leave you like what was the point now the children are on their own in another country and he's fleeing so yeah so as of this recording they haven't found him but I don't know.

Speaker 2 My heart breaks for Shayla and their three boys. That is awful.
And it's just beyond frustrating knowing knowing he's out there. He's living free.
They're all yet stuck here.

Speaker 2 And they're like picking up the pieces and trying to make sense of this and figure it out and like figure out how this happened, why this happened.

Speaker 2 Because I'll tell you right now, if those were my kids and if Jeremiah ever fled with my kids, you bet your ass I would be all over that. Like I would be trying to bring him back in any way.

Speaker 2 Obviously, like in this situation, we know that it would be the grandmother who's doing this, but it's just really sad. That is really sad.
I'd make you fly to Peru. Oh, you knew I would.

Speaker 2 I would. Did you say you know I wouldn't?

Speaker 3 No, I said, you know, I would.

Speaker 2 Oh, blame me.

Speaker 2 So, yeah, it's just, it's an incredibly sad case. Now, I know you have another one that is kind of similar in terms of like a father who's a dirtbag and all of that that you had mentioned.

Speaker 3 Yes. And this is also, it was supposed to, it was intended to be a murder suicide, but didn't end up that way.

Speaker 2 Geez, a lot of murder-suicides this week.

Speaker 3 Yes. And a lot of parent parental crimes.
Yeah. Which is so heartbreaking.

Speaker 2 I mean, unfortunately, they happen a lot. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So sad.

Speaker 3 This is about 51-year-old Delbert Cornish, who had been arrested after admitting to shooting and killing his 18-year-old daughter, Hope Onyx Cornish, in the early morning of August 18th. What?

Speaker 3 And that was his adopted daughter.

Speaker 3 He confessed to the killing, telling investigators that he had been planning to kill himself and his children for over a year, and that the plan was tied to his frustration over the bullying of his kids by his brother who lived with them.

Speaker 2 Hold on. I know.
Okay, so for over a year, he's contemplated taking the life of his kids and himself because his own brother

Speaker 2 was bullying his children. Yes.
Not that I condone murder, but if you're going to murder anybody, why not just kill your brother?

Speaker 3 I don't know.

Speaker 2 And make the people

Speaker 2 and then live happily ever after with your kids.

Speaker 3 That's what I thought when I first read it. And I had to reread it because I'm like, wait, who was doing the bullying? And it's your brother.

Speaker 3 But according to the documents, Dilbert apparently cried while being questioned by police and even had the nerve to paint himself as the victim.

Speaker 3 He was telling officers he's an alcoholic who struggled with depression. And during that interview, he revealed that he had purchased the gun a year ago and had come up with this whole plan.

Speaker 3 But the plan had been ruined because his eldest son violated parole and went back to prison.

Speaker 3 So I don't know what role the eldest son had in this whole thing, but basically when he went back to prison, that spoiled the plan.

Speaker 2 Maybe

Speaker 2 his plan was to kill both of them and he couldn't now because he was back in prison. Maybe that was the only part of the plan.
I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 3 But Delbert continued to walk officers through his day, including how he contemplated when and how to kill his daughter. He said that he stood outside of her door trying to decide what to do.

Speaker 3 And then just in a...

Speaker 3 flash decision when she walked into the bedroom. He shot and killed her.

Speaker 2 Oh my God.

Speaker 2 And how old was she?

Speaker 3 she was 18. oh and then what the worst part of this is he admitted to police that he stood over her body for over 20 minutes and listened to her gasp for air as she died oh my god yeah i mean how hard

Speaker 3 a monster oh my god and so then after she had passed i know that it even gets like it continues to get bad he went and then killed her cat who was like her beloved pet and And then after he killed her, he decided to wrap her in a pride flag, and it was his way of quote-unquote honoring her.

Speaker 2 So, was she getting bullied for her?

Speaker 3 That's kind of what I was getting. That's kind of what I started to conclude from this.
And so, I think he felt like he was doing like right by her by wrapping her in that flag.

Speaker 3 He said he went into a fit of rage, punching holes in the walls and taking a hatchet to Onyx's bedroom door.

Speaker 3 He then wrote the confession note, a suicide note, drank a bunch of bourbon, and then settled in to watch TV until his 15-year-old son came home from school.

Speaker 3 And yeah, just hanging there until his son came home.

Speaker 3 And then his poor 15-year-old son gets home from school, sees his dad belligerently drunk and his sister dead on the floor, which like I can't even imagine.

Speaker 3 The son said that the dad tried to convince him to check on his sister to make sure she was dead.

Speaker 3 And then when the son refused, Delbert apparently picked up the handgun and started shooting the floor at the gun and then aimed it at the son.

Speaker 3 But luckily, the son was able to disarm him and call 911.

Speaker 2 Oh my gosh, that's a lot for a 15-year-old to have to do.

Speaker 3 Well, yeah, and I just feel like that plan went awry. I mean, you have this plan for a year to kill all your children.

Speaker 3 Now you just shoot your daughter when she walks in, decide to drink, wait for your son to come home.

Speaker 2 I mean, have him check on her. Yeah, it makes no sense.

Speaker 3 No, I know. The whole thing is crazy.

Speaker 3 So police were able to track Delbert about 50 miles from home later that night, and he's currently being held in Canyon County jail, facing first-degree murder, aggravated assault, and a weapons charge.

Speaker 3 His next court date is scheduled for September 3rd. And I really hope that he,

Speaker 3 they throw the book at him. Yeah.
But I mean, I do want to take a minute just to talk about Onyx. in all of this because she deserves better than this.
She was 18, full of life. She loved heavy metal.

Speaker 3 She worked nights at Wendy's, your favorite. I love Wendy's.
And she had been sober for over a year now and was working hard on trying to turn her life again around.

Speaker 2 She really deserved better in all of this.

Speaker 2 Piece of shit. I know.
That's awful. Ugh, that's awful.

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Speaker 2 Okay, so this next case that I'm going to talk with you about is probably going to enrage you because it's like young kids, it's so senseless.

Speaker 2 It's also one that I have been DM'd about so many times over the last couple of weeks. And I haven't really seen anybody do a deep dive out there in a big way.

Speaker 2 And so, for those listening, if you want me to do a deep dive into this, because there are a lot of people involved, I certainly can.

Speaker 2 And there's a lot of like, what's the word like the new kids are using? Lore. There's like a lot of lore behind it with with like past charges and things.
But let me break it down.

Speaker 2 So back on June 24th in Johnsonville, South Carolina, which is about 45 minutes away from Myrtle Beach, it was right around midnight, just a quiet summer night that suddenly exploded with gunfire just out of nowhere, out of the blue.

Speaker 2 Now, as this all went down, inside a mobile home on one of the rural roads out there, 31-year-old Alicia Lauterback and her husband were asleep with their four kids, but they were obviously woken up by the gunshots.

Speaker 2 Now, one of the kids staying there that night wasn't even hers. It was 16-year-old Trey Wright.
And Trey was practically like family for Alicia and her husband and her kids.

Speaker 2 His mom had moved out of town, so now he was living with Alicia's family for the summer.

Speaker 2 He would spend his days going to football practice, hanging out with all the neighborhood kids, kind of just getting ready for his sophomore year of high school.

Speaker 2 When all of this just, you know, tragedy struck because that night everything changed. See, just a few weeks earlier, Trey had met this girl, a 17-year-old girl named Gianna Kistenmacher.

Speaker 2 He met her through this guy named Devin Raper. Now, Devin was 19 years old and he was from the Myrtle Beach area.

Speaker 2 And while Trey really hit it off with Gianna and the two of them started dating, she was still apparently involved with Devin. So it was very, very messy.

Speaker 2 And friends later said that Trey started to feel like he wasn't good enough for her, but he really did like her. He felt like, you know, he was super into her.
He felt like she was was a good fit.

Speaker 2 Now, there was kind of this love triangle that started brewing between the three of them, but he wasn't a fighter. He wasn't somebody who was confrontational.

Speaker 2 He wasn't somebody who was violent or aggressive. And he never thought that anything serious would come from this.
It's, you know, it's young love.

Speaker 2 It's how many times can you think back to like middle school or high school even, where it's like, maybe there's this weird jealousy or something, but it's like, you never think it's going to be.

Speaker 3 It's pretty typical.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Have you ever watched Dawson's Creed? I mean, how many love triangles have I been in in high school or junior high high school? Really? Were you at a lot?

Speaker 3 Not like love triangles, but I mean, you like a guy, your friend likes a guy.

Speaker 2 You never think it's going to like end up in murder.

Speaker 3 No, of course not. I feel like that's just part of growing up.

Speaker 2 Exactly. So that's what Trey thought, too.
He's like, I'm not a fighter. I'm not confrontational.
Like, this sucks, but nothing's going to come of it.

Speaker 2 However, there was now this like real beef that was starting to brew between this group who was now kind of like fighting for Gianna's love. When fighting for love, it's like you're 16.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 I know, honestly. It reminds me, like, yeah, of like, say, by the bell, all of them.

Speaker 3 But like Dawson Creek, when they're so in their feelings.

Speaker 2 Oh, my gosh. And they use like adult vocabulary.
I know. I can't, even though we just did a rewatch of it.

Speaker 2 So anyway, quit trying to derail me.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 the night that all of this went down, Gianna had showed up first in this rural area that was next to Alicia's home, and she had asked Trey to meet her there.

Speaker 2 But then Devin and a car full of his friends just kind of showed up right after her. Now, Trey knew that there was going to to be some kind of altercation or showdown or something like that.

Speaker 2 But according to everybody who was there, he thought it was going to be a fist fight, nothing more. Just some drama, nothing crazy.
Which, how many times have we seen that in high school too?

Speaker 2 Where it's like at a party, it's like, you, oh, so-and-so's here. And you know, it's like, oh, they're going to fight, fight, fight, fight.
And yeah, exactly. So like, that's what he figured.

Speaker 2 But what nobody was realizing was that. as police now believe, Gianna was setting Trey up the entire time.
And then as we know, minutes later, Alicia woke up to the sound of those gunshots.

Speaker 2 So she and her husband jumped out of bed and they ran outside. And right when they got outside, they saw Trey.
He was just lying there in the road, bleeding from two gunshot wounds to the chest.

Speaker 2 He was also, and this is awful to say, but it's in the police report, he was gasping for air.

Speaker 3 Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 I know. Alicia even said, quote, I saw Trey lying there.
He was trying to talk. And his last words were, I'm going to sleep now.

Speaker 3 Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 I know. He was gone before they even made it to the hospital.
And he was only 16 years old. So sad.
It's so sad and so senseless and just like enraging.

Speaker 2 Now, it gets even more frustrating because, according to the authorities, as I mentioned, Trey's quote girlfriend, 17-year-old Gianna, had orchestrated this entire thing.

Speaker 2 So within 24 hours, Devin was arrested and charged with murder. Gianna was also arrested and charged as an accessory.
And seven more teenagers teenagers were arrested in the days that followed. Seven.

Speaker 3 I don't understand. What would be your motive just because you like the same girl? And what would be her motive? Just go date the other guy.

Speaker 2 Like the attention and like she probably liked these two guys fighting for her, but well, I'm going to get to all that. Okay.
So seven other people have been arrested, nine in total.

Speaker 2 And the craziest part is police say that there could be more arrests coming too.

Speaker 2 And what was so interesting is when all of this went down and when Gianna was arrested, she acted completely shocked, devastated, heartbroken.

Speaker 2 Alicia even said she rode to the hospital with them, acting like she had nothing to do with it, like she didn't plan this whole thing. She was shocked, scared, grieving, all the emotions.

Speaker 2 And Alicia said, quote, she fooled all of us, but in my heart, I feel like she set it up. Now,

Speaker 2 Michael Nunn of the Florence County Sheriff's Office said that those other seven arrests were individuals who were complicit in bringing Trey to the scene of the shooting, knowing that there was going to be this confrontation.

Speaker 2 Police also say they knew that Devin had presented a firearm to Trey and had made threats to shoot him.

Speaker 2 And there's a specific quote when it comes to law being the hand of one being the hand of all is part of South Carolina law.

Speaker 2 So that apparently is the basis for the charge for each of those individuals who were there. Five of these nine teenagers are also being charged as adults, which is like, your life is over.

Speaker 2 Your life is over. And get this, court documents that were found by the Daily Mail reveal that Devin was involved in another shooting investigation just months before Trey was shot and killed.

Speaker 2 Now, as I said, I might do a deep dive into this where I can go below the line with that, but the summary of all of that is that there was some other guy, there was like this rival group or something, and they went to do this shooting.

Speaker 2 He was sentenced to some jail time, but he ended up, I guess, like pleading out with like a battery charge. So it was a lesser sentence or whatever.
But now here we are again.

Speaker 2 It's like history repeats itself, right? And this is a really tight-knit little community.

Speaker 2 They even call themselves the neck gators, people who treat each other like family, even if they're not blood. So they are all now collectively just reeling, trying to make sense of this.

Speaker 2 Everything feels different. This 16-year-old kid who had his whole life ahead of him, who was there because his family moved away and he was just trying to like...

Speaker 2 be in football all the summer, young and in love and like doing everything right that he should have been doing. Now his whole life is gone.

Speaker 2 And like the sheriff put it, a 19-year-old also is going to spend the rest of his life in prison now because of this. And her.

Speaker 2 Well, and however. Well, she accessories, so probably not life, but probably a big sentence.
And over what? A girl?

Speaker 3 Like, I mean, that's the thing.

Speaker 3 It's like we said this happened all the time growing up where, you know, there's like little lovers' quarrels or whatever, but you're in and out of relationships so quickly at that age.

Speaker 3 It's like to make these crazy, life-altering decisions over a romantic relationship seems completely reckless.

Speaker 2 Well, and I kind of want to get to that because you you just said something too that made me think, like, it is young love. It's not serious.

Speaker 2 I remember when I was in high school, it's like, you are like, Annie, will you go out with me? And I'm like, yeah. And you don't go anyway exactly.

Speaker 2 But like, oh, he's my boyfriend.

Speaker 3 He's so intense to you at the time.

Speaker 2 It's so intense. And you're like passing notes in the hall and out text messages and all that.
So for me, when I was like researching this, it kind of made me stop and wonder for a minute.

Speaker 2 I feel like kids these days are trying so hard to act grown and they're in such a rush to grow up and act like adults without fully understanding the weight of it. And I don't understand why.

Speaker 2 I don't know if it's because movies and TV are very different nowadays, even depicting high schoolers than when we were younger. We grew up on Seventh Heaven, okay? They're growing up on Euphoria.

Speaker 2 Like it's a very, very different. So it's like, are these TV shows and movies glamorizing all of this stuff? Yeah.
And like making you feel like you need to feel these emotions. It's passionate.

Speaker 2 It's heated and all these things. And then also in turn, making them feel untouchable in a way.
Because the truth is, there has been a huge uptick in kid on kid violence over the last few years.

Speaker 2 Horribly so. Like, not just in relationships and love triangles, but just kids wanting to murder and wanting the thrill of it or wanting the social media fame that comes with it.

Speaker 2 And so it feels like in all of these cases, nobody's really talking about it until it's too late. And I just wonder what the root cause is of it.

Speaker 2 I mean, I know things will always evolve and like technology and this and that, but things are definitely different.

Speaker 3 Oh, they've escalated. I mean, yeah, it used to be a fight in the parking lot after school, and you throw down your backpack and you're just fighting until somebody comes and breaks it up from campus.

Speaker 3 But now people are bringing weapons to the mix. There are things that are like even the bullying on social media, like everything is just more amplified.

Speaker 3 And I think when things are more amplified and there's more attention around it and more people are aware of it, then it makes the feeling stronger.

Speaker 3 And I think, obviously in this case, the anger and who knows, you know, what led to this.

Speaker 3 I don't know if it was maybe them feeling egged on by having this crowd around them and now almost like everybody knew there was going to be this confrontation.

Speaker 3 So, you know, you almost have to live up to this hype now that you're proving yourself.

Speaker 3 Or was it actual anger and

Speaker 3 this was an act of violence?

Speaker 2 And like this bitch, I mean, sorry, 17 years old, but like this fucking bitch who like set him up and like just wanted to see two guys fight for her.

Speaker 2 And And now both of their lives are like his is over because he's in prison probably for the rest of his life. Trey didn't survive it and she's going to have to serve some time.
It's like, for what?

Speaker 2 Because you wanted to live out some like weird soap opera moment that felt reminiscent of TV.

Speaker 3 Well, and you know, I always give people the benefit. Well, I try to give people the benefit of the doubt.

Speaker 2 You're better than me.

Speaker 3 So that's why when at first I thought, well, maybe she didn't realize this gun guy is coming with a gun. Maybe she's just like, oh, this is like hot.
Two guys are fighting over me.

Speaker 3 Like they'll throw some punches and whatever.

Speaker 2 I'll like like leave with the winner.

Speaker 3 But now, but then when you're saying people knew that there was a gun and like people are complicit and people are now getting in trouble for it. So it sounds like a much more

Speaker 3 premeditated or whatever word you want to use, but a planned thing versus just in the heat of the moment being outraged.

Speaker 2 It's so sad. And it's not that.

Speaker 3 And why do these kids all have these weapons?

Speaker 2 No, honestly.

Speaker 2 I know.

Speaker 3 That's for another topic.

Speaker 2 Well, I'm just thinking about Trey's poor family, too. Like they had moved away.
So he was was living there back with like friends who felt like family.

Speaker 2 So, then for them to receive that phone call, can you even imagine what that feeling must have been like?

Speaker 2 And just wanting to get there and be with him, but like he didn't even survive and make it to the house. It's just, and for his last words to be like, I'm going to sleep now, it makes it devastating.

Speaker 2 So sad. It is.
So that's where we're at with headline highlights. Sorry, we're

Speaker 2 ending this episode on such a downer, guys, but that's what we've got for this week. Thank you so much for tuning in.
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Speaker 2 Is that the next, that's the whole next run? Yes. And we still have a couple pieces, not many, a couple pieces of the exclusive tour merch on the site, right?

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All right. Thanks for joining me, Amy.

Speaker 3 Of course. Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Let us know what you guys think.
Are we loving these episodes? Maybe you need to just be like a reoccurring guest star. Happy to come back anyway.

Speaker 2 We should do one of those like cheesy 90s intros where it's like

Speaker 2 and then it goes to you. And then if people are listening and not watching the video, they have no idea what it is.
It's a little intro.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but then it's like you washing the dishes and then it has your name on me and you look up and you're all remember the Instagram like story filter that was doing that for a while.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I realize we age each other when we do this together.

Speaker 2 What do you mean? Like Julie?

Speaker 3 No, like we're just talking about Dawson's Creek and the the Menendez Brothers and I know.

Speaker 2 Yeah, get off my set. Just kidding.

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