#217 Augustus Doricko - Did Cloud Seeding Cause the Texas Floods?

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Augustus Dorico, welcome back.

Thanks for having me back, Sean.

Didn't expect to see you again so soon.

It was quite the timing.

Yeah.

Yeah, man.

So

massive flood tragedy in Texas.

You were there a cloud seeding before.

And so I know you're getting blasted on the internet.

People are fucking irate.

You know,

what's going on.

And,

you know, but

I pride myself on giving everybody a voice.

And so I wanted to.

offer you the opportunity to come back and talk about what's going down on there.

So quick introduction and some stats on what's happened last week.

Augustus Dorco, founder and CEO of Rainmaker, a next generation cloud seeding company.

Your name popped up in the news last week, obviously, because of the Texas floods and the cloud seating stuff.

And so, like I said, I just want to bring you on, give you the opportunity to speak to the public, my audience, about what was going on on there.

But let's take a moment here to recognize the scale of the tragedy.

Killed at least 120 people and left at least 176 missing, notably 27 girls and one counselor from Camp Mystic, a Christian summer camp, were killed.

And I just want to say that, you know, every time something like this happens,

me and my organization, we like to donate.

And so we're making a sizable donation.

We did some research and

found a nonprofit to donate to.

So we're donating

to the relief efforts through the Community Foundation of the Texas Hill County Country in the show.

And we'll link that link in the show notes for anybody that wants to donate, including you, if you want to donate to it.

Rainmaker will do the same.

Perfect.

And some facts about the flooding.

Texas Hill Country alongside along the Guadalupe River, heavy rainfall from Tropical Storm Berry, unprecedented flooding.

Between July 4th through 7th, 5 to 11 inches of rain fell in a few hours, leading to the Guadalupe River rising 26 to 29 feet in some areas within 45 minutes.

Among the deadliest in the U.S.

in a century, it's destroyed homes, camps, infrastructure, killed a lot of people, a lot of people still missing that they're looking for.

The tragedy centered in Flash Flood Alley underscored the region's vulnerability to such events with historic floods that also happened in 1987, 1998, and 2015 as presidents.

And I also want to take a moment and

just

recognize a lot of the heroic actions that were going on there.

Extensive rescue operations involving over 850 rescues.

One Coast Guard crew made 165 rescues.

And first responders and everyday Americans stepped up to save their neighbors.

So,

you know,

I don't know how to say this, but, you know, when it's

when things like this happen, it's just, it's good to see how many Americans step up.

You know, we saw it in Hurricane Helene.

We saw it in the wildfires.

We're seeing it here.

I mean, it's just, it's good to see Americans.

I mean, we live in a very divisive society now, and it's good to see people step up in their community and come together to help those in need

in these tragic events.

So

I know you were there.

I think it was two days prior to the flood, correct?

Correct.

And

what were you doing there?

Sure.

So just again, for those that haven't heard before about what cloud seeding is, in no uncertain terms,

I run a cloud seeding company.

We make a little bit more rain and snow for farms or for reservoirs or for aquifers when they're dealing with drought, right?

Obviously, right now, after the flooding, Texas does not need more water, and we've indefinitely suspended operations because of that.

And we'll keep them suspended until first responders have stopped working.

Cloud seeding is not long streaks in the sky.

It's not trying to dim out the sun.

It's certainly not creating hurricanes.

Cloud seeding is a technology that was invented in the U.S.

that relies on clouds, natural clouds, with liquid water droplets in them.

And flying into those clouds, dispersing material that then freezes onto those drops, makes big enough, heavy enough snowflakes such that they fall and either fall as snow or melt back into rain.

We have customers throughout Texas.

The South Texas Weather Modification Association, the West Texas Weather Modification Association, these are groups of counties and individual farms that pay us for cloud seeding because they historically have needed more water.

If you look even back to June 24th, not long ago, a lot of Texas, a lot of the hill country was in severe or moderate drought.

And so what we were doing there on July 2nd and prior was trying to make more rain for these farms and for these reservoirs and to recharge the aquifer because they tend to need more water.

We were operating on the 2nd.

and we flew one 20-minute cloud seeding mission.

So we seeded two clouds and we dispersed 70 grams of silver iodide into those clouds.

First of all, those clouds dissipated over the course of the two hours after the mission, right?

So did we seed the storm itself?

No, absolutely not.

Did we

seed clouds that dumped tons of precipitation?

No, not that either.

Like the most successful cloud seeding missions that have ever been conducted either by Rainmaker or research labs have produced tens of millions of gallons of precipitation.

They got hundreds of billions of gallons of precipitation over the course of just hours and trillions cumulatively.

So cloud seeding, though it can make useful amounts of water for these farms and ecosystems, cannot produce a million times more than what the best operations ever have.

So that's the first thing to say.

The second thing to say is, well,

you know, maybe because you like seeded those two clouds on the second, the material stayed in the atmosphere and then made the flooding worse later.

And we know categorically that that's not true either.

When you seed into clouds and there's subsequent precipitation, the material that you disperse gets precipitated out with the rain.

So one, we know that by seeding into the clouds, the air sole dissipated.

But two, even if we had just been seeding into open air and we weren't, right?

It was 20 plus hours between when our mission occurred and when the flooding ensued.

And the winds were blowing northwest, northwest such that any of our air souls would have been been long and far north had they even persisted in the atmosphere and they didn't that's a little hold on let's rewind yeah what what were you saying about what was that last thing uh about the air souls up there so so one thing the wind yeah yeah yeah so so the the winds when we were seeding were blowing to the northwest right In the ensuing days, right, you had the storm just plop down and pound this one particular area.

But when we were seeding, the winds were going northwest such that any of the airsoles that could have possibly remained in the atmosphere, and I don't think that any consequential amount did,

they would have blown out of the direction of the storm as well.

You don't think or you know?

We know, we know.

Excuse me.

Did you see those clouds dissipate?

Yes.

Do you have that on video?

We have that on radar.

You have that on radar.

Have you released that information?

Yeah.

Yeah.

We posted that online.

You did?

And you were operating, I believe, south, was it southwest of...

It's about 100 100 miles southeast.

100 miles southeast.

And then when the wind was blowing which way?

It was blowing northwest.

It was blowing northwest.

So it would have been in the direction of that storm from your location.

Correct.

However, one, it was 70 grams of silver iodide.

That amount of particulate dispersed over hours would have been lower in concentration than just the natural amount of dust that gets kicked up from the soil, right?

It could not have any impact because of those concentrations.

And the notion that like by seeding, could we have worsened the storm somehow because we created a low pressure system?

Like I think a lot of people, and I'm not one to always defer to experts, right?

Like I think that people should trust but verify.

The notion that any sort of seeding operation then could have worsened the

remnants of the tropical storm and then the convergence of a system from the Pacific is like totally impossible.

And you can defer to other atmospheric scientists that have brought this up and corroborated it, not from Rainmaker.

You can defer to other meteorologists.

You can even defer to the Texas Department of Agriculture Commissioner that dispelled any rumors about cloud seeding having to do with this.

Why did they,

who hired you to go down there?

The South Texas Weather Modification Association.

So that's a bunch of counties and farms that need more water.

Okay.

Okay.

Did they, I mean, when you're seeding clouds, I mean,

what's the radius of where you're doing it from?

How many miles out are you guys looking at weather?

We're looking at, well, for forecasting, you know, this is an important point, right?

We're looking at the entire region just so that we understand the situation.

Even if we're only seeding over a handful of counties, we want to understand the context.

And it's important to do that because

on the second, our meteorologists identified that there was this inflow of moisture from the Gulf.

And that's why we suspended operations the afternoon of the second.

Now, that's important because one, that's like Rainmaker wants to do no harm and did no harm.

And by proactively forecasting so that we know we're not seeding during storms or during flash floods, like we can prevent ourselves from doing any damage, right?

But it's also important because a lot of people have said, well, you know, who even is regulating you guys?

Who even is giving you permission to do this?

And it's worth saying, the Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation has permits for weather modification and cloud seating operations.

They have for decades.

Cloud seeding isn't a new technology, right?

Only recently have people been able to measure what the effects of it are with new radar tech, but it's not new.

The states have regulations.

The states have to grant you permits if they approve your concept of operations and also if they approve your suspension criteria.

And so that is maybe one of the most important parts here.

Suspension criteria are basically the weather conditions or conditions on the ground that would result in us being required to stop operating.

And so one of the suspension criteria is if the National Weather Service issues a flash flood warning.

The National Weather Service issued a flash flood warning at about 1 a.m.

on the 3rd, right?

We suspended operations on the 2nd.

We proactively suspended operations even before we were notified to by the National Weather Service or before we would have been required to by the Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation.

So not only did we adhere to the rules, but we proactively stopped long before we needed to because our meteorologists were able to see that there was impending risk.

Have you

I mean,

I had a handful of friends reach out to me after, you know, after the flood had happened, and

all of the questions were exactly the same.

Did Augustus Dorico cause this?

And

I'm not a scientist.

I don't know.

All I know is what I learned in our interview together.

And this was, you know, I kind of expressed this in the interview.

This is what everybody is scared to death of, is of something like this happening.

But, you know, going back to your interview, I mean, I remember, if I remember correctly, you said

the window of opportunity for it to rain after you see the cloud is 15 to 45 minutes, correct?

Max two hours, but generally within the hour, yeah.

So, I mean, I don't, I just, I don't,

and I don't see a, you know, a

small, medium-sized drone

being able to create, you know, that much devastation.

How many, how many drones were you guys using?

So in Texas, we, we use airplanes, not drones.

Used airplanes.

We use airplanes.

However, right,

these airplanes are like six-seater aircraft.

They're not the high-altitude jet liners or stuff.

That's worth saying because I think a lot of people hear about cloud seeding.

They'll look up and see these trails in the sky.

They'll think that that's cloud seeding.

That's not cloud seeding, right?

Whether you believe that those long trails in the sky are condensation trails or chemtrails, and I don't think that they are chemtrails.

I haven't seen evidence for it.

A lot of people have sent me the movie The Dimming.

Have you heard of this?

No, I've not seen it.

there's there's this uh piece on um geoengineering and and the risks of of solar radiation modification and potentially chemtrails that a lot of people have sent to me i'm not compelled by that evidence frankly anyway all that to say uh i am totally open-minded to the notion that there could be nefarious stuff from state actors um

We know that China is investing $1.4 billion into their weather modification program.

As of our last conversation, it was $300 million.

They just ramped it up to $1.4 billion.

Wow.

So we do know that they're interested in that.

We do know that the Chinese are interested in that.

I don't believe that any of those contrails are, in fact, chemtrails, but these airplanes were flying at, this one airplane, to be clear, was flying at 1600 feet above ground level.

So another important detail is the altitude whereat we were flying means that those particulate

fell.

It seems like the weight of it would,

I mean, they wouldn't be able to travel that far, 1600 feet.

That's just not that high.

Exactly.

But

have you seen this

video that Nicole Shanahan put out by chance?

Jeremy, can you roll that real quick?

I just want to get your reaction to this.

Hey, everybody.

So EPA Administrator Lee Zeldon announced today that his agency will finally release detailed information on geoengineering.

If you've followed me for a while, you know this is something I care deeply about.

So this feels like the right moment to share.

I have been speaking with a whistleblower over the past several weeks who has helped me really understand what's happening in our skies.

They've given me information that could shed real light on these programs, who's behind them, where the funding's coming from, and what we can do to stop them.

I'll be posting an article on my ex feed later today, so please stay tuned.

What do you think she's talking about with this whistleblower?

I mean, we obviously know who's behind it.

Where does the funding come from?

Funding comes from the Texas weather modification, whatever group that you were talking about, correct?

So note, she said geoengineering.

I don't do geoengineering.

I do weather modification.

And that difference is really important.

Cloud seeding is a kind of weather modification.

And it's weather modification because it's local in both time and space, right?

Like it affects an individual county over the course of hours.

Geoengineering is a global climate intervention like dimming the sun that is aimed at cooling the entire planet down, where the aerosols dispersed into the stratosphere would persist for years.

The funding for our cloud seeding operations come from these counties and farms that we work with.

The federal government spent $2.4 million on cloud seeding research last year, and that was all that they'd spent in years since.

We don't do any work with the federal government.

If we do, I'll be happy to tell people about that.

With respect to geoengineering,

I'm interested to see what she says.

The

statement that Lee Zeldin gave, I think, yesterday, on transparently accounting for what contrails are, what geoengineering activities exist, I think that that is absolutely absolutely a step in the right direction.

Like, I think if

people are trusted with information, if the government is able to disclose to us what activities are going on, I think that people will rightfully either feel more safe and comfortable about these technologies or feel less safe about them.

And then we can regulate appropriately, right?

So the whistleblower that she's alluding to, I

suspect I know who that is.

Without getting into whether they're a credible source or not, I'll just say

to all of like the Make America Healthy Again people, I am super empathetic.

Like I want clean water.

I want clean air.

I want clean food.

I'm into regenerative agriculture.

I don't think manipulating the weather is the only way to get more water on the ground for a more productive agricultural base, but I think that cloud seeding is one way to do that.

And so insofar as Nicole is interested in talking about how to make America healthy again, how to ensure that our skies and our climate is clean, like I am totally down to do that and appreciate at least the sentiment around inquiring about what's going on.

I mean,

my inclination is she's talking about you.

You know, whether she put the word geoengineering in or cloud setting, I mean, the timing, she's got to be talking about you.

And

I mean, she's obviously very concerned.

I mean, everybody's very concerned.

I'm concerned.

And but, I mean, as far as this whistleblower, you don't have to name a name because, you know, it's, it's, you know, it's, it's, it's not factual yet.

But let's, what position does this person hold?

And why would they not be credible?

Um,

if it is who I think it is, and it might not be, right?

I, uh,

I think it's someone that used to

work

in

a part of the Air Force that was unrelated to any clandestine operations or attempts at cloud seating or geoengineering,

but I think has made a name for themselves in posting

inflammatory false information about this.

And that gets into a bigger point, right?

Over the course of the last few days, Me, fine, a lot of people have offered death threats, so be it, right?

Like I'm happy to continually engage in good faith with the questions and concerns that people have because emotions are running high right now for good reason.

Like there has been a natural disaster and a tragedy.

Part of the problem is that there are these accounts online, be they anonymous or even public figures, right?

Like government figures, politicians.

People have come out and knowingly posted false information or

insinuated in their posts that cloud seeding had something to do with these floods, despite knowing that there's no way it possibly could have.

And they've done so either for Elon Bucks on X or just to rally political support to them from people that are rightfully concerned about the consequences of this technology, but don't yet know the facts.

And I think that manipulating people into a frenzy and a mob to make a scapegoat, not just of me, but of people unrelated to our cloud seeding operations, that is reprehensible.

I will always,

because our Lord was forgiving, be willing to forgive and break bread with people that have done this.

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That has to stop.

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I know what you're saying about, you know, about, I mean,

conspiracies run wild, you know, and

people are looking for fame.

They're looking for numbers.

They're looking for Elon Bucks, as you referred to it.

But, I mean, you know, people are, they're fucking pissed, man.

I mean, it's a lot of death

and a lot of missing people, a lot of kids.

And, you know, when you brought up China earlier, and

how much did they...

$1.4 billion.

$1.4 billion invested per year.

Have you done any research on if China's cloud seeding program has caused any flooding?

Or

is there any evidence of this happening with anybody else that's doing this type of stuff?

Because we did see it in Dubai.

We did see it in Dubai.

So you wouldn't be surprised to find out that China is not extraordinarily open about their program.

What we do know is this.

We know that they're investing all of this money.

We know that they have 35,000 employees in their weather modification program.

We know that they have two universities that offer bachelor's degrees in weather engineering, right?

We know that China has stated explicitly that they intend to export their cloud seeding and weather modification systems around the world and are probably interested in doing so not just for the sake of benevolently producing water, but for the sake of one,

having leverage over countries for whom they produce water.

And two, like We know that cloud seeding has before been used as a weapon.

We know that the Environmental Modification Treaty came out in the 70s to ban weaponized weather modification internationally because the United States used cloud seeding during the Vietnam War to flood the Ho Chi Minh Trail.

Do I think that cloud seeding wholesale should be banned because of that and American farmers and ecosystems and cities and reservoirs shouldn't be able to use cloud seeding to produce more water?

No, I think that would be

not just an overcorrection, but like unsound policy.

But should there be radical transparency?

Should there be serious regulation and permitting around this?

Should there be reporting so that people are able to scrutinize the information from cloud-seating activities?

And should there be monitoring from institutions like NOAA or the National Weather Service to look for nefarious or malevolent weather modification operations?

Yeah, absolutely.

Can you change the color of rain?

No.

I saw all these things on X where people were claiming it's, I think they were claiming it's your rain because it came down blue and there's all these videos out there.

There's There's no discoloration of the rain at all.

Not at all.

When we cloud seed and create these snowflakes, right,

the initial snowflakes that are created are created by water freezing onto the silver iodide, right?

But then those snowflakes break apart and create more snowflakes and you get this chain reaction

where you know the the concentration of silver iodide is de minimis like like i said before uh after decades of operating we've only seen as much as an increase in like eight parts per trillion of silver iodide in soil where cloud seeding is occurring.

There's already two parts per million in most American soils.

So like if even it is a statistically significant result, after decades of operation, cloud seeding has added a million times less than what's naturally there.

So there's no adverse ecological effects at all.

Certainly not enough to change the color of the rain.

I don't know what that was.

I hope it's not

more

deliberate, disclamatory content.

Yeah.

I mean, can you talk about the size of the two clouds that you seeded versus the tropical storm?

Like, what's the ratio here?

Like a million times.

A million times.

The remnants of the tropical storm were a million times larger than

an approximation.

What I'm getting at there is the best cloud seeding operations operations that have occurred to date have produced tens of millions of gallons.

That storm produced like 4 trillion gallons of precipitation.

So that's roughly on order of magnitude, like 100,000 to a million times larger than the best cloud seeding operations could yield in terms of water.

Other than the volume, how about the area?

Yeah, I don't want to perjure myself here, so I'll be as specific as possible and people can look at the report that I posted online with all of the radar data on these cells.

But

significantly smaller than the area of a county.

We're talking in terms of acres here, not like tens of square miles.

What are some of the other things that people are saying?

You know, I think a lot of people are saying that

me coming out and trying to be public about this, some people appreciate the candor and appreciate the transparency.

Some people think that by

going out and talking to all these people, like it's clearly some sort of psyop.

Some people have said that

Augustus clearly isn't responsible and cloud seating isn't to blame, but he's the fall guy for some larger nefarious operation.

I don't yet have reason to believe that that's true.

I certainly hope that's not true.

If that is true,

then we have to find out.

The way to do so, I think, one, is through submitting freedom of information requests to all of the relevant federal agencies about what weather modification research or activities they do have going on.

And then going forward, like

reporting accountability and regulation, more permitting from the federal government.

And it's not to say that like at this point in time, people totally trust the federal government, right?

I am very empathetic to that.

I do not think that they are always great at.

Nobody trusts the federal government.

Yeah.

Especially with all the shit right now with the Epstein stuff.

No way.

No fucking way.

The P.

Diddy shit, the Epstein stuff, all within a week.

Nobody trusts the federal government.

Then we go the last four years.

That's going to take a long time before anybody trusts trusts the U.S.

government.

It's just, it's just

the way it is.

Totally.

They got to give us a reason to trust them.

Yeah.

So far, that has not happened.

No, I agree.

And I mean, another thing that keeps coming up, right, is like

we will say something to the effect of like cloud seeding is a useful or effective way to produce more water for farms and ecosystems, and it's totally safe.

And then people will say, oh, safe and effective?

Safe and effective?

We've heard that before, right?

It doesn't sound so safe and effective.

That is a really hard portion of the information landscape that we operate in now.

I think the only solutions to that are to the extent there are any good people left in the government,

them scrutinizing this, and then me continuing to provide as much information as I can and answering as many questions as I can.

You know, there's people with like four followers on Twitter that ask me some question about silver iodide toxicity.

And I am trying to respond to every single one of those.

I see you doing it.

I see you doing it.

I mean, what are some things...

I mean, have you learned anything out of this?

What have you taken away?

Well, for one,

I would say...

Despite all of our attempts to save money federally and cut the budget, right,

which in the abstract I am in favor of,

cutting the budget in a way that prevents us from building critical infrastructure for either forecasting or severe weather alerts and flood alerts,

that can't happen.

If we had better flash flood sensors on the Guadalupe, we could have notified people significantly earlier.

If we had better forecasting...

by we, you mean not Rainmaker, but the U.S.

government, yeah,

the National Weather Service, or local fire departments, even.

They were trying to warn people earlier.

I don't know if you heard those phone calls,

but that was pretty hard to listen to.

That's one thing.

Another thing

is

I think that

although net net, because of how supportive people have been and receptive to information and earnest dialogue, like in a certain sense, I've developed a lot more faith in the American people and our government.

I also do know,

and this has been pretty upsetting to learn, that there are people, once again, who know that Cloud Seeding and Rainmaker and I had nothing to do with these floods, who, despite knowing that, are trying to find a way to pin the blame on me in some sort of investigation or otherwise to drum up political support or

you know get the heat off of them um are you open to a full-blown investigation obviously that'd be inconvenient but i have nothing to hide

so yeah i i think that the overwhelming amount of evidence that we've provided that any meteorologist can corroborate that any atmospheric scientist or hydrologist or otherwise can look into even any individual person just look at the timeline and the facts i i think that it's all pretty clear that there's nothing that we did that could have affected this.

That said, if it came down to it, yeah, fine, sure.

I am happy to provide any information should there be an investigation.

I will happily engage with authorities as is necessary, should they so choose.

Has there been any talk of that?

Yeah.

What would it take?

What would it take to

or is it even possible to 100%

prove

to the American people that it was, it had nothing to do with cloud sitting?

Is it possible to prove that?

And if so,

how would you do it?

So for one, I would say that the information that we have reported on already from our meteorologists does prove that.

Now,

beyond just what we've reported on our flight tracks, on our flight times, on the amount of material dispersed, on the clouds that we seeded and how quickly they dissipated, on the dissipation of the air soles and the fact that we only dispersed 70 grams, like 8 to 10 Skittles worth of material, a day in advance of when the flooding began.

Despite all of that, I think that is 100% proof unto itself.

If we were to do more,

you could get atmospheric scientists to run simulations on where the aerosols would have gone.

how that would have affected precipitation patterns and the pressure systems in the vicinity.

And you could doubly with like rigorous academic papers and publishing.

Again, not that people are going to defer to that sort of authority or credential, but you could do that as well to further corroborate this.

But, like, I promise you that you will be hard-pressed to find a capable meteorologist that

thinks this had anything to do with it and is not 100% convinced it did not.

What else should I be asking you?

You know,

I think

there's maybe like two

last points just to think about here.

The first of which, again, just to give like scale and context here,

we haven't really gotten into like whether silver iodide is healthy or not, right?

Whether it's safe to use during cloud seating operations.

I think when you just intuit how little we're dispersing on these missions, you can kind of get a sense that it's safe.

But for scale, right, like, and again, I want to make America healthy again.

Like, I'm totally pro clean food, clean air, clean water,

regenerative agriculture is great, etc.

Just in terms of scale of what sort of toxins we're exposed to right now.

Americans consume like 2 billion kilos of pesticides every year.

We consume a commensurate amount of herbicides every year.

We are wearing microplastics, right?

There is microplastic, and we mentioned this in the last time we chatted, and that is kind of like the biggest clip, like there is birth control metabolites in the water that we drink.

Like we are exposed to an inordinate amount of toxins all the time that either we deem sufficiently safe because of how little we consume on a day-to-day basis or that like is not great for us and we should transition away from but is not like killing people or causing respiratory issues or causing cancer uh in in an enormous way the amount of material that we're using 70 grams in an operation is what is that that's like 10 100 billion times less than like the total amount of herbicides and pesticides that people are consuming every year and uh

Like I hope someday to be a big company.

I hope sometime to scale our operations meaningfully and to produce lots of water for people that are in need.

Again, obviously not Flash Flood Alley and in the Texan Hill Country when there has been flooding, but like

one,

the amount of material that we're using from silver iodide,

the amount of silver iodide that we're using for these cloud seeding operations, it is de minimis relative to all these other things we're exposed to on a daily basis.

And even so, Rainmaker will, just for PR's sake, just for the sake of making people feel safe, we will eventually transition away from silver iodide into something totally biodegradable, totally organic, just because

I think that's another way to build trust.

And it is going to continue to be our responsibility to do everything we can to earn the trust of people that have appropriate skepticism and concerns about all of this.

Do you mind if I make a suggestion?

You know, I think, you know, when you're talking about transparency, that's what everybody wants with everything.

They want transparency on COVID.

They want transparency on Epstein.

They want transparency on Diddy.

They want transparency on Cloud City.

They want transparency on

you name it.

I mean, that's just where we're at.

Like I said, there is little to no faith in the U.S.

government on either side at this point.

And so, you know, for you, something that you may want to think about is

do

document every single time you do this.

Video, radar, whatever the hell you have to do.

You know, and I realize for safety concerns, maybe you can't announce, like, hey, we're going to be cloud seating in Salt Lake City today.

But, or maybe you can, you know, maybe you can, and, and, and, and document every

second of what happens, you know, or maybe you do it afterwards.

Hey, I just want everybody to know we did a cloud seeding operation in Salt Lake City.

Here's the entire video.

Here's the radar.

Here's everything.

This is how much precipitation happened.

And, you know, maybe, maybe,

and I don't want to look like I'm taking a side here, you know, because I'm not.

But I mean, people, that's what it's going to take.

It's going to take transparency and it's going to take case studies of how this goes.

You know, and so

by, you know, by.

Building these case studies and documenting every single thing you're doing, you built, I mean, basically what you're building is a portfolio of, hey, we did it here, we did it here, we did it here, we did it here.

This is how long it lasted, this is how long it took it to rain.

It was within the 15 to 45 minute window that

I said that's what happened or the 15 to two hours or whatever it is.

And

you kick those out to the public every single time.

I don't know if that's possible, but that's something that I'd be looking at because otherwise, you know, there's always, there will just always be distrust.

You know what the crazy thing about that is, Sean?

You already do it.

Do you already do it?

We are regulatorily required to do that already.

All of these reports are publicly available on state government websites right now.

Should Rainmaker start announcing those ourselves?

Sure, totally.

Absolutely.

I think that's a good idea, and I appreciate the suggestion there.

But we already have to do that in order to be permitted to operate in these states.

Like these states, back when they made these regulations, they realized, you know, this is going to be a big deal in terms of like what its consequences could be.

And also, like, people are going to want to know what's going on.

They have a right to know what's going on.

Like, the government lying to them all the time.

People lying to them all the time.

That's unacceptable.

I really care about this country.

And

I will not lie about any of what we're doing.

So I'll start making those things more available online.

At the very least, for the time being,

we cannot do real-time reporting.

There are simply too many death threats.

Oh,

this is what I was referencing earlier in terms of American terrorist organizations.

There is a militia in Oklahoma that is running around blowing up and dismantling radar systems.

They believe that the weather radar that's being used to monitor cloud conditions, what we're using to forecast severe weather, is directing energy into these clouds and into the atmosphere such that it is creating severe weather.

I think that the FBI is investigating them,

but

yeah, like it is not just

concerned or emotional people online.

It's not just paranoid schizophrenics.

Like there are organized militias that are

wrongfully trying to destroy our nation's critical infrastructure for weather sensing right now, and that also don't care too much for Rainmaker.

There has been severe flooding across the United States in the past week, right?

And people are

drawing conclusions and correlations between that, right?

Like in New Mexico, there's flash flooding.

In North Carolina, there's flash flooding.

There was, I think, flooding in Chicago and thunderstorms there.

We don't operate at all in either Chicago or in New Jersey or in North Carolina.

We have operated before in New Mexico.

Our program ended there on June 30th.

So the flash flooding that happened after the 4th had nothing to do with us.

We also have posted those reports.

I think the two conclusions from all of this severe weather, again, are one,

Like we clearly need better forecasting capabilities, right?

Like we need to be able to forecast and alert people to these things far before when we're doing so now in order to keep them safe.

And the second thing is,

again, I don't have evidence yet to suggest that there are state actors participating in malicious weather modification.

But if we don't have a more serious regulatory framework to monitor this stuff, like how even would we know?

You know, another thing, I mean,

have any major news outlets reached out to you for a statement to come on the news, anything?

Yeah, so I was on Fox

two days ago.

I was on CNN

last night.

I was on a handful of other programs.

Interestingly enough,

you know, it's funny

because we'll get some group, be it...

mainstream media or some sort of new media or some sort of written piece to lay out the facts and outline

what's true and what's not.

And I wonder if going on mainstream media like Fox and CNN actually hurt my case because people just said like, well, don't trust them either.

This is clearly an op.

Maybe it's better for the general public and sentiment, but I'm grateful that we had the opportunity to talk to them.

In a certain sense, there's almost like,

yeah, to your point, like nobody trusts anybody anymore.

So I'm not exactly sure what to do other than continue to publish this information that would make it trustworthy.

Well, I think, I mean, it's a, it's,

how do I say this?

I mean, it's, it's, it's a, I mean, it's just a,

it's an, it's a technology that people know little to nothing about.

And, you know, we're seeing all these crazy things happen like the wildfires in California, the wildfires in, in, in, in Hawaii, and the, you know, the flood that just happened and Hurricane Helene.

And, I mean it's just

for whatever reason you know

this stuff seems relatively new and

getting the info out there like you're doing I mean

it's it's going to take a lot of education to build any trust at all and so I mean

I think you're being I feel like you're being as transparent as you possibly can be and

and and it look like I've scrolled through your your X account and it's it does seem like you're trying to answer every single question

and but you know by going on the media and I think it I think you're just gonna have to continue doing that you know to to to

to educate you know and and

get other parties doing it but

man,

man.

Well,

Augustus, I appreciate you coming.

Like I said, I just

wanted to hear your piece.

We literally just did that interview, what, a couple of weeks before this happened, and

I had expressed that in the interview.

I was like, this is what everybody's worried about, you know?

And then it happened.

And

yeah.

So

I want to offer you the opportunity here.

You're a a new Christian, right?

I'm going to offer you the opportunity to lead us in prayer for the families and the kids that are going through this hardship in Texas.

Thank you.

Heavenly Father,

we're praying for the families in Texas, for the children affected, for the children that are with you now.

for the consolation of all the families that have lost, for the first responders and rescue workers that have

seen so much and been through so much and have sacrificed so much to save lives when they could.

Lord, we're praying for safety and peace.

We're praying that natural disasters don't befall the people of Texas like this again or anymore or anybody else in the world.

Would you help to make us resilient in this time so that we can stick through the difficulties that come when tragedy strikes.

We're praying for communities to rise up together so that they might be able to help one another, their brothers and sisters and you,

when they do lose.

For all of those, not just the first responders, but for all of those people in government that have tried to help, for all of the families that have made food trains and that have donated and that have tried to participate in the relief.

We thank you.

Would you please provide us peace and resolve?

Would you help us to be true and kind and generous to our neighbors in this time?

And would you help for us to get closer to you in the depths of this difficulty so that we might build a world and a country and communities that better resemble the kingdom that you desire that we live in?

In Jesus' name we pray.

Amen.

Amen.

Well said.

All right, Augustus, well,

I

appreciate you making the trip out here and

giving us your piece and educating us on, you know, your side of what happened.

And

thank you.

And just one last thing.

I just want to reiterate that donation link to help the families and the tragedy that's happened down there.

Links in the description.

And, you know,

I hope this episode gets a lot of money to the people that need it to rebuild their families and their homes and just all the tragic events that have happened down there.

So please donate.

People need your help.

Thank you, Sean.

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