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But did a Facebook unfriending cause a series of events leading to multiple awful murders?

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Here we go.

Yeah.

We are going to Tennessee this week.

Okay.

And we are going into the sticks, boy.

I'll tell you something.

We are going to Mountain City, Tennessee.

Yeah.

Which I don't know.

You've probably never heard of Mountain City, Tennessee, because I never heard of Mountain City, Tennessee.

It's a Mountain City, yeah.

It certainly is not.

It is the far northeastern tip of Tennessee, where Tennessee comes to a little point there.

Yeah.

It's in there.

The panhandle all day long.

Man, this is some panhandle stuff and some panhandle behavior this week for sure.

This is about two hours to Knoxville and about five hours and 45 minutes to Springfield, Tennessee, our last Tennessee episode, which was Zombie Wife, which that was crazy.

I remember that.

The guy thought his wife was a zombie.

That's why

he killed her.

It's interesting.

This is in Johnson County.

Area code 423.

And the motto here is the gateway to the Appalachian Mountains.

Sure is.

And it is, it's more like right in the middle of the Appalachian Mountains.

That's really what it is here.

A little bit of history here.

We won't spend too much time.

The area was part of Carter County at first, but the county seat of Carter County was Elizabethton, and it was hard to get there from here.

So they made another county.

Oh.

Had to go over the hills and all that, donkeys pulling your cart and everything.

So

they said, screw it.

And they made another county and they made Johnson County in 1836.

And they needed a county seat.

So they said, this is going to be the one here.

We'll make this the county seat.

They platted the land.

They named it Taylorsville after Colonel James P.

Taylor.

Then they changed it.

Great guy.

He's a poster on my wall growing up always.

I know you had it too.

You know what I mean?

Multiple posters.

It was like Michael Jordan about to dunk.

And then right next to him was Colonel James P.

Taylor.

So in 1885, they changed it to Mountain City

at the urging of a prominent citizen and U.S.

Congressman Roderick R.

Butler, who wanted the town's name to reflect where it was

sitting in one of the highest valleys in Tennessee.

Okay.

Okay.

Now, the town became famous for hosting the old-time fiddlers convention in 1925.

This was like a bridge between old-timey music and the 20th century, basically.

All the shit they've been doing out in the hills and everything for a long time is kind of the way to bring that

into the mainstream in modern times.

So that's kind of cool here.

They held it in the East Tennessee town of Mountain City here in 1925, attended by tons of musicians, and they had a contest

also here.

And Dudley Vance of Bluff City, Tennessee won first prize with his performance of Twinkle Little Star.

Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star.

They They didn't have as many songs back then, really.

It's, you know,

I don't know if you had to dip into the public domain or what, but not sure.

Reviews of this town.

Opener singing, Happy Birthday.

That was his start.

Then he sang Lullaby and Goodnight as his closer.

I was like, all right.

Thank you so much, everybody.

He dropped his fiddle and came to town.

Dropped his fiddle.

They don't sing that down there.

He dropped his fiddle and walked off stage.

Oh, that's fantastic.

Reviews of this town.

Let's find out what others think because we've never been there.

I never even heard of it.

Here's four stars.

Something I enjoy about living in Mountain City is the scenic views that surround this small town.

One can visit many local restaurants, and the great service and food make one feel at home,

even if one is not from the area.

Okay.

I don't know why that was hard to read for me, but even if one.

Because that's bizarre.

It's a strange wording.

It's an odd syntax, right?

It doesn't fit.

Here is one star.

Mountain City is full of crime and crackheads.

It seems meth is the largest cash crop in Johnson County.

Now that's hilarious.

The city and county go to great lengths to cover the crime and drug problem in Johnson County and Mountain City.

Cover it up, man.

The people are uneducated Bible thumpers that would rather gossip about someone than live in their own lives.

The area has nothing to offer.

One has to travel to another town for essential items such as grocery shopping, doctors, clothing, auto repairs, etc.

There are much better areas in northeast Tennessee to live in.

Wow, they do not like it here.

No, they hate it.

Okay, that is quite a bit.

I don't even know what to say there.

So, and that is

people either say it's beautiful, I like it, every, you know, nice small town, everybody knows each other, or

full of meth.

This place is corrupt and methy and horrible and you know all that kind of thing um so here people

2367 people here so not a big place yeah and it's not like you know abutting several other towns it's kind of by itself just sitting up there uh the men and women few more females than males it is 53 female which is higher than normal, obviously.

Median age here is a little above the national average.

It's almost 45.

So the crowd's a little older.

People here, a little less married people.

Yeah.

It's usually 50-50 here.

It's about 42%.

Fewer people that are single with children here as well.

So race in this town, 91% white, 3.1% black, 1.3% Asian.

I don't know how the hell they ended up here.

That's weird.

You normally don't go to like a

a town like this.

It's like three restaurants, maybe.

I don't know what it is.

And 2.3% Hispanic.

So

it's about 50-50.

It's exactly 50% pretty much in religion, people who are religious.

And the number one religion with a bullet and running away is Baptists, obviously.

Baptists, as we know, are the Catholics

of the South.

There we go.

A lot of those.

Unemployment is about average here.

Median household income is not average at all.

No.

Rest of the country, it's a little over $69,000 is the

average.

Here, $29,155

household income.

God dang.

That is something else right there.

I don't know how you survive that like that.

Make things.

Yeah.

I guess so.

Or go without things, one or the other.

Yeah.

Cost of living here, $100 is average, regular.

Here, it's $73.4.

So a little bit, you'd want it to be lower than that if it's going to, the pay is going to be so low.

The housing.

No, the housing is the lowest thing, luckily, here.

The housing is the median home cost, $183,800,

which still seems excessive if you're only making $29,000.

That's kind of

difficult.

So maybe you don't care.

You're moving in lock, stock, and barrel.

We have for you the Mountain City, Tennessee Real Estate Report.

Average two-bedroom rental here goes for $810, which is well below the national average by a good long shot here.

It's usually almost $1,300.

Here is house number one, if you want to call it a house.

It looks like a shed.

Oh.

It looks like a good-sized shed where you can

keep stuff or like a tiny one-car garage.

That's what it looks like.

I'm going to show it to you.

Look at it.

All right.

Holy shit.

It's a green box.

That's a house.

That's a house.

Look at the inside.

Yeah.

Yeah.

There's shit in there.

Two-bedroom, two-bath.

So technically a T-bowl for all your B-holes here.

450 square feet.

That's nice.

How do you squeeze two bedrooms

and two bathrooms into a 450 square foot?

It's a box.

It's a one-car garage.

That's the best way to describe it.

One of those standalones.

0.6 acres it's on, so a little over half an acre.

Give you some room for your box.

That's nice.

Yeah.

It's on Shingletown Road, which sounds gross.

Yeah.

uh one hundred thousand dollars for that

hundred it's a it's a two thousand dollar shed somebody bought from home depot you could buy it at lowe's and just put it up in an afternoon and you're outside but it won't have two bedrooms and two baths i suppose you're buying the land uh i guess here's a uh three bedroom two bath 3 304 square foot house it's on two acres and i'm going to show it to you because where it is is kind of the unique part oh my gosh it just sits on this hill overlooking a bunch of stuff on the edge On the edge.

It's kind of cool, like the location.

I kind of like that.

It is.

Scary.

Oh, it's definitely scary.

Things are going to come out of those woods at some point here.

This house is $490,000.

It's like on the edge, and there's a big hill below it with a bunch of trees, and you can see the mountains.

Steep.

Nice view.

$490,000, only two acres, too.

Seems like a lot.

And then this house here, look at this thing.

This is like your fancy cabin, basically.

Oh, my.

All wood inside.

Real nice.

seven bedroom eight bath that's a t-ball for all your b-holes there 6 996 square feet geez that and it's appropriately on uh on a banker's bend road so there you go that's about right because you got to be a banker 2.46 acres of is the lot it's on yeah 1 million seven hundred eighty thousand dollars

Jesus median household income is 29 grand here who's buying what are they doing how How do they justify that?

I don't understand it at all.

I can't imagine.

I mean, it's nice.

It's great.

But, I mean, you have to be like.

It's not like one of those properties that seems worth it.

No, this is like if you're like a country singer and you like to come out here for your Instagram and take pictures and make it look like that's how you live.

You live in your country.

Even though you live in Nashville.

You know what I mean?

Like, I think this is where you'd come to pretend to be, you know,

look at me.

I'm a hick.

No, you're not.

No, you're not.

Look at me.

I got a foot hookworm.

You live in in a loft, hookworm boy.

Yeah, you live in a loft above Kid Rock's place.

Yeah, what are you talking about?

Things to do here.

Okay, there is only one thing to do, and that is the Sunflower Festival.

There you go.

That's the thing.

So you imagine that, okay, it's got to be

sunflowers everywhere.

Well, we'll talk about it.

We'll talk about how this happened and the fact that this is a festival for things that just don't exist anymore, which is pretty funny.

They had to have a new location at the Johnson County High School this year.

So we got that.

Why was that?

Don't know.

Just had to move.

Okay.

Somebody sold their farm.

I'm not sure.

It says the Sunflower Festival to take place in the summer and the Pumpkin Festival to take place in the fall.

And then the next sentence is, although we no longer have the Pumpkin Festival.

Okay.

Well, then why'd you mention it?

It doesn't exist anymore.

That's what I mean.

What are we talking about?

When considering the theme for the Summertime Festival and what representation they should choose, the two, meaning the people that were discussing this festival, it was about three paragraphs about people I didn't give a shit about and that they thought about a festival.

The two discussed the stunningly beautiful sunflower-covered fields of yellow that adorn both sides of Highway 167 and settled on the sunflower festival.

Of course.

Yeah.

Got to have that.

They say, though the beautiful sunflower fields no longer exist,

the sunflower starts to bloom in mid to late summer in Johnson County and is therefore still a perfect representative flower for our annual festival, even though we don't have any.

Ah, this is absurd.

This is absurd.

This is just, it's weird shit.

Now, they have pageants there.

That's kind of the big deal of this festival is all the pageants they have.

Okay.

And the pageants have one, two, three, four, five, six, seven categories.

What are they?

Okay, they're all for women, by the way.

No, like like king of men.

No sunflower king title or anything.

You have baby miss, which is newborn to one years old.

Okay, okay, months only.

That's months.

Toddler Miss, which is two to three years old.

Oh, what about the one to two?

Well, that's one year in the cover.

It's zero to one year, 11 months, and 29 days is the one.

Little Miss, which is four to six years.

Yeah.

Petite Miss, which is, what do you think?

Six to eight.

Seven to nine.

There we go.

Close.

Yeah.

Preteen miss, which is 10 to 12.

You know, yeah.

Teen miss, which is 13 to 15.

Yeah.

And then one that we all beat off to.

And then miss, which is 16 to 17, which in this area is considered aged out.

You know,

they call that.

They call that the old maid category around here.

That's what that is.

They go, bring out the old maids.

Now, several of them bring their children up there too to try to garner sympathy or empathy and get people to vote for them, but it doesn't work.

Now, they say the judges will score in three areas based on a scale from one to ten.

One being the lowest, ten being the highest.

Scoring includes attire, personality, and overall appearance.

What do you look like?

What do you look like, six-year-old?

Each contestant will be scored individually, and the overall highest score in each division will receive the top placement of Miss Sunflower Queen.

Oh.

We will allow our judges to score based on the performance rather than facial beauty because we believe every contestant is beautiful in their own way.

Although an ugly girl never wins.

Although the one who wins, it's always the prettiest girl in the county, probably.

Okay.

Now, there's also entertainment here as well, obviously.

I mean, you got to have some entertainment.

We will have magician Dylan Williams.

Oh.

Oh.

He's well, he might be a little late, though.

He has the Jackson birthday party at the bowling alley at about 12.30.

So

he's gotten it close that day.

You want to impress me?

Make the fucking Sunflower Fields show back up.

Yeah,

bring back the Pumpkin Festival.

Then I'm impressed.

The Young at Heart Square and Line Dance Group.

Oh, yeah.

It's literally children line dancing.

No, it's it's young at heart.

Young at heart, yes.

No, so it's old fucks.

But it's old, and there's kids, too.

Okay.

It's elderly people and 12-year-olds line dancing together, which

everybody wants to watch that.

Then no one.

I'm going to blow your mind right now.

Do you know what Tennessee's age of consent is, James?

We've got all these groups that you can look at

and judge very.

Is it one of the 14 states?

Like Idaho or whatever?

It's 18.

It's 18.

Okay.

Yeah.

That's good.

So none of these kids are legal.

That's great.

No, that's good.

I'm sure that's really adhered to around these years.

Probably why they do this in this county is to show all the men, these are the ones you're not allowed to try to talk.

Well, no, these are, it's like going to a car show.

This is next year's models, I think, is what they are.

That's what they're telling the fellows are like, yeah, look at that, which is just creepy.

It's just creepy.

I don't want to watch Team Setcher watch.

I never want to watch teenagers parade around ever.

I just don't have any interest in it.

Noah Thompson will be there.

Oh, yeah.

Some country guy.

I don't know.

I've been waiting on him.

Seth McKay and Moonshine Revivals will be there.

Sure.

I think you got an idea what they're playing.

You know what it is.

The word moonshines in your band name.

I get it.

I get a hip-hop in this shit.

I get what you're playing.

There's a tiny, tiny guitar.

I understand.

The Backroads Bluegrass Band.

Sure.

I think they're pretty much.

telling you everything you need to know right there.

You know what it is?

And then finally, Simply Scott.

Just Scott.

Just Simply Scott.

That's his name.

Simply Scott.

Crime rate in this town.

What we are interested in here.

Property crime is about 20% below the national average.

That's good.

Not terrible.

Violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and of course, assault.

The Mount Rushmore of crime is about half the national average.

Wow.

Pretty safe around here.

And I'm saying so many reviews were just talking about the methiness that's going on around here.

So

I don't know.

But either way, there we go.

That said, let's talk about some serious murder here.

Okay.

There we go.

Let's start out talking about a family.

This is quite the family we got here.

Okay.

Let's start out with Marvin.

Now, Marvin E.

Potter Jr., we're going to talk about.

Marvin Potter.

Marvin E.

Potter Jr.

This story is going to take place mainly 2011, 2012.

So during that time, Marvin's 60 years old.

He goes by buddy.

No one calls him Marvin.

Why not?

Everyone in this name is either named Billy.

Everyone in the story is either named Billy or has a nickname.

One or the other.

There's no exceptions.

Okay, so Buddy Potter, like I said, he's a 60-year-old at this time.

He is

or a little bit above that, actually, by now.

He's in his 60s.

He was in Vietnam, apparently.

The tail end of Vietnam, he caught.

He joined the Marines at age 18 and also has claimed to work for the CIA back then as well.

Oh.

Okay.

We don't know how true that is, but

yeah.

He's a little Marvin's out there.

Just put it that way.

I believe it.

Marvin is a buddy is out there, and he's like, he always has like three guns on him.

Oh.

Like, I get one,

but

what are you doing?

Yeah.

Are you the leader of the bloods?

Like, how many guns do you need to have on you?

Throw a shotgun in your truck.

No, no, no.

He always has like a shoulder holster, a hip holster, and one in his ankle.

One in the ankle?

Just in case, you know.

He's that guy that they're like throw the other one and then he goes and the other one he has this fantasy about that where he's like i'm gonna throw the second one and they're gonna be like no way he's got any more than that on him you know what i mean then boom out my ankle and pow shoot my way out

so he's got a wife named barbara may

yeah barbara may potter um she'll go by barbie to her friends but why not barbara may uh she worked for hewlett packard of all places which is what i don't know doing what picking mushrooms i don't know planting sunflowers I believe, was what she was doing.

No, I don't understand.

I don't know if she worked for Hewlett Packard.

Taking pictures for their screensavers.

Yeah.

I don't know if she worked at Hewlett-Packard while in Tennessee or where she lived before.

Because this family is not from here.

They're from suburban Philadelphia.

Oh.

Yes.

Why did they do this?

This is strange.

Okay.

So they have a couple of daughters.

One is Christine.

That is the oldest daughter.

Now, Christine and her family, oil and water.

Do not get along.

Yeah.

Do not get along.

Christine thinks these people are just a pile of trash that she wants to be.

Buddy and Barbie are none of her

and her little sister, who we'll talk about.

They're all nuts and they can all have each other is the way she looks at it.

She got married, moved away, so go fuck yourselves.

Didn't care.

So Christine, right around the time Christine is born, is right around the time when Buddy suffers a pretty bad back injury.

Dang it.

And as a result,

had to leave the Marines and was no longer able to work for a while for a period in the 70s.

Now, he'll be working later on, though, we know.

Now, Janelle is their second daughter, Janelle Lee Potter.

And Lee is L-E-I-G-H.

Sure, it is.

Like Amy Lee Gemstone.

So

Janelle Potter, she's born April 27th, 1981.

And this is when they still lived in Pennsylvania.

They lived about 40 minutes west of Philadelphia.

So Philly suburbs, essentially.

Yeah.

There.

Now, Janelle is born with some issues.

Oh, no.

She's got a little bit of a learning disability.

She's got a little bit of a hearing issue when she's a baby.

Has some speech disabilities that she has to overcome,

along with type 1 diabetes she's diagnosed with at a very young age.

So there's a lot here, which.

Yeah,

they're all things you can overcome, but they're all also big challenges for a child.

They're challenges, and it makes her family really overprotective of her, too.

Yeah.

Like, they look at her as like this porcelain

hummel figurine or something that's going to break during an earthquake.

So

that's not real.

The way they raise her is kind of rough like that.

Like, they don't really allow her to become a person on her own, which is terrible.

Well, yeah, also because putting that girl into public school, she's got the type one.

So she's probably got a a pump or something that's a sensor on her, and she's got the

80s.

No, no.

Not in the 80s.

Now they probably just had her prick her finger a couple times a day.

All the time.

Put it on those little strips.

Remember those?

I suppose, yeah.

Yeah, they probably did that for her.

But

she definitely has the hearing disability

very obvious if she has a speech pattern difficulty.

But that later on is, you don't notice.

It goes away.

Yeah, it goes away pretty much.

So

now she has a hard time making friends throughout her life.

Now, she graduates from high school.

She can read and write and, you know, do things.

And, you know, I didn't graduate from high school, so she's one up on me.

I can't, you know what I'm saying?

What about your beaties, fucker?

Yeah, I was fine.

So I was healthy as a horse, but just kind of a mess.

Now, she's a really big, she's six feet tall.

Wow.

Real big girl and has a very childlike voice as well.

She has that little girl voice,

which usually means something happened.

Regressive.

Yeah.

I could see that.

You hear a girl, it sounds like she's nine.

You go, what happened to you when you were nine?

What happened back then?

And you could pick the fucking age out and go, what happened when you were nine?

And somebody died, somebody beat her, somebody molested her horribly.

Something trauma.

Something horrible happened.

It's a weird thing.

It's a strange phenomenon that only seems to happen with women.

It doesn't, the little, there's no little boy voice.

You know what I mean?

No, we try to.

It doesn't work.

We try to get tougher.

Exactly.

No, we get angry and mean, and they get, you know, they get soft and leave me alone.

Exactly.

So that's what she's got going on.

So basically, as an adult, she kind of functions at a teenage level, basically.

That's what everybody says.

Even when she's in her 20s, she's still kind of stuck as a teenager here.

Like even her room as a 30-year-old had like

plush toys and like posters of like, you know, boy bands and shit like that.

Like teenage stuff.

Like it looked like a sixth grader lived in there, which is strange.

uh now christine her older sister basically around the early 2000s she fucking said i'm done with these people yeah done um yes she which all that didn't help janelle at all because she was close with her sister but it doesn't matter she christine had to do her own thing get away from these people which is fine um now she christine believed that her sister's

Her socialization problems basically was because of how her parents treated her and controlled her life.

She can see it.

She said, quote, instead of being herself, my parents tried to make her fit in.

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Now, that is something

I understand about because your instinct, my son's autistic, and your instinct when he's little

is

don't make him stand out because then the kids will pick on him and then he'll be upset and you don't want that.

So, you try to make them blend in, even though that might not be the healthiest thing.

That's your immediate parental

protection thing is fucking blend in with the flock here.

And, you know, don't, don't, don't, just don't let anyone know you're different.

Yeah.

Meanwhile, some of the severities are different from others, obviously.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The more severe, like, it you're going to stand out no matter what.

Exactly.

Exactly.

So she said that

Christine also said Janelle had been a quote, a little bit slower in learning and in developmental capacity, and that her reasoning and interaction with other people has always been a little odd.

Yeah.

It's a little off.

There's just something a little off there where people are just.

People just sense when someone pick it up.

Yeah, they pick it up.

She also said that Janelle was coddled by Buddy and Barbie and that they always took care of any issues that she faced.

They'd smooth it out for her.

And Christine also said she didn't believe that Janelle's disabilities were as bad as everyone else said they were.

Also,

she said she thinks the parents are exaggerating this shit and hurting Janelle, basically.

And maybe Janelle plays into them sometimes because

it gets her what she wants.

Yeah, it fixes all the problems.

Yep.

yep and uh christine also said she's witnessed janelle manipulate and deceive people yeah and she said she knows what janelle's capable of she's not an innocent little because they you know people look at her as oh she's got some developmental problems so she's an innocent little sunflower and yeah turns out she is a canceled pumpkin festival instead there it is much different she's got she's got all the capabilities and everybody's just doing her shit for her pretty much that's what christine says and she's upset about it so in 2004 the family janelle buddy and barbie they moved from pennsylvania to this area to the mountain city tennessee in this little little spot here so yeah uh janelle said quote people here do not like outsiders and she said because she wasn't born and raised here and didn't grow up here she had a hard time with people which is probably true That's what it sounded like from all the reviews.

That's what I mean.

If you go to some isolated town with 2,300 people in it, you're going to to stand out like a sore thumb just because you're not used to seeing other people, you know?

Yeah.

And show up like you're one of the guys.

What the fuck are you?

Exactly.

You're not going to probably get along with people.

You've got to be around for a while.

People see you and kind of like a stray cat.

Yeah.

If you have a stray cat that comes into your yard, it has to see you like 20 times before it kind of comes up to you.

He has to get used to you.

No, you're not aggressive.

No, you're not an asshole.

Maybe you put some.

Somebody's car out of the mud.

Save a kid from a well.

There you go.

Take the pig not sick anymore.

Something.

You got to save some shit.

Something.

Go in and

get that fucking kid some Coke so you don't have to take him to the hospital to crack his chest open like Doc Hollywood.

He was tasting that's chaw again.

That's how it works, man.

So, buddy also has some medical issues as he ages.

He's got pulmonary disease, diabetes,

chronic pain syndrome, whatever the hell that is.

I mean, it sounds obvious.

Always hurt.

Yeah.

I didn't know that was an actual diagnosis.

I don't know.

PTSD, high blood pressure, severe hearing loss that requires hearing aids, and sleep apnea.

So this guy has no peace.

Even when sleeping, he has no peace.

I'm tired of seeing doctors.

I'm running away from all of them.

Fuck it.

He was prescribed two doses,

pretty high in milligrams, too, of different types of morphine.

Painkiller.

Yeah.

And required supplemental oxygen from time to time.

Oh, by the way, he also has a lot of anger management issues and more guns than probably the county's police department.

So that's the other thing you got to think about with this guy.

That's buddy.

Buddy is a character.

Now, 2009, let's go to here.

Now, Christine, the older sister who has abandoned her family or ran away or whatever, not abandoned.

That makes it sound like it's her fault.

She moves to Mountain City, Tennessee to help care for Barb's mother.

She moved back in.

She She moved there to help care for grandma.

Yeah.

So, I mean, that's nice.

I mean, she's going to move to take care of an aging grandma.

That's real thoughtful.

She lived with her grandmother for a year and two months.

Now, during this time,

she has so many problems with her mother and Janelle

that she has to seek an order of protection against them.

What?

Christine does, yeah.

Yeah.

So this is where we're at here.

Daughters filing orders of protection against their mother and little sister.

And

developmentally disabled sister.

My diabetic, developmentally disabled little sister is scary to me, and so is mom.

Deaf, diabetic.

Yeah.

That's a lot.

That's amazing.

That's a lot.

Now, Janelle, come around 2010, 2009.

She starts, she's got nothing to do.

She has no job.

She doesn't drive.

How old is she?

At this point, she's almost 30.

She's 29, 30.

So, I mean, she's sitting in a, in a house in rural Tennessee,

just sitting there.

She's got nothing to do.

So, this, lucky for her, back in the day, she would have just, you know, gone and sat out on the porch like there's nothing to do.

At least now there's social media.

They have the internet, they have a computer.

Yeah.

So, now she's got social media, and that's where she spends her time.

All right.

And yes, and she, she's not really allowed to do anything else.

The rules for her are no staying out past midnight.

She's 30 years old.

Right.

No, no smoking, no drinking, no partying, no driving, and no boyfriends.

Those are the rules.

No fun.

No fun.

She's 30.

When I was 16, if you set all those directives, I would have been rebelling like crazy and ran away.

Yeah.

I mean, I really wasn't allowed to do any of those things.

I didn't want to have a boyfriend.

But other than that,

her parents monitored her Facebook page and social media and everything else.

So

parents are really on top of her, like a 12-year-old who's been in trouble a lot.

That's how they treat her.

Now, her Facebook profile read, I'm a very sweet, caring person.

I love life and I love to make others laugh.

That's Chanel.

She would use Facebook and Topics.

Do you know what Topics is?

It's with an X, right?

With T-O-P-I-X.

Yeah, we've looked at it.

I've heard of it, but I've never seen it.

Yeah.

It's one of those,

they have them all over the country.

Yeah.

They all have their own little like kind of message boards and shit that have local shit.

The local gossip bullshit is what it is.

That's all.

It was the neighbor's app before the neighbor's app kind of thing.

You know what I mean?

So she ends up interacting with some friends around 2009.

She's got MySpace.

She's got Facebook.

And she starts doing that.

Now, she meets some friends here.

She actually meets a friend outside of social media, though, which is

she really hasn't very much.

One of the times she went to purchase medicine from the town's pharmacy.

And there she became kind of friends with the pharmacy clerk, Tracy Greenwell.

So they started to be friends.

Tracy said, we felt sorry for Janelle because she was so sheltered and sick and stuff.

Yeah, that always makes really great friendships when you feel sorry for someone.

That's what I mean.

It's more like, oh, that poor girl, like, she's like a puppy that they're giving water to outside or something.

It's like,

no fun.

A pity for, yeah.

She, you know, walked down from the hills here to come get her medicine and she doesn't have any friends or know anybody and she's a little slow and you know all that kind of shit.

So Tracy said about first meeting Janelle, she described her as, quote, sweet and innocent.

She said, I mean, she's got the big blue eyes, right?

The sweetest thing you could ever think of.

So there you go.

So she started this.

Tracy started inviting Janelle out on friend outings.

You know, hey, me and my friends are doing this.

Would you like to come?

Sure.

Including her in a group, which is, I'm sure, what she's always wanted.

But before Janelle was allowed to go hang out with friends, this Tracy Greenwell had to go over to the house

at least a few times, the parents said,

so Barb and Buddy could get to know her.

She's 30.

Don't go thinking you're going to pull the wool over our eyes.

Yeah.

Make us think you're a good person.

This isn't a 14-year-old coming home saying they got a boyfriend or something.

This is a 30-year-old woman.

Tracy's girl.

Tracy's a girl, yeah.

Yeah.

And Tracy's an adult.

So for her, it's like, that would just drive friends away.

It's almost like the parents don't want Janelle to have friends.

Yeah.

Because if my kid was 30 and she's never really had a group of friends and all this, and she was be, I'd be like, have fun.

Go, get out, go do shit.

Here's fucking $50.

Enjoy.

Like, just get the fuck out and go do things.

Go rebel.

Go do something.

I remember telling my daughter that when she was like 16.

I was like, go rebel.

Go get in trouble.

I said, go do, go rebel and do things.

And she's like, I don't want to.

And I'm like, God damn it.

Poor kid.

She's just a nice kid.

So anyway,

that's what's going on here.

She said that Janelle's, now Tracy's got a big group of friends.

So that's kind of a, she sees this as like a pot of gold.

You know what I mean?

All these friends I can have.

She met a guy named Billy Clay Payne.

Okay.

Okay.

P-A-Y-N-E.

Billy Clay.

So Billy here,

she met her through Tracy.

She met him through Tracy and all that.

Now, Tracy said that Janelle was often paranoid.

What?

Very often paranoid about things.

Janelle, I don't know if her parents have planted that in her head or what, but Tracy said she would often say that somebody was mad at her or hated her and wanted to kill her.

Okay.

So I I don't know if it's that or just she knows that if you

need help, that someone will help her because she's used to help.

So she, okay.

Her automatic thing might be to try to make people feel bad for her because that worked, because her parents

implanted that.

Yeah.

Somebody's trying to kill me.

Yeah.

Janelle said there were threats of violence against her and everything like that.

Okay.

Now, Janelle also helped,

she's going to introduce Janelle to a couple of guys here.

First, uh, Billy Clay Payne.

Sure.

Now, Billy Clay Payne is Tracy's brother.

Oh.

Okay.

Uh, Billy Clay is about, he's a little older.

He's in his 30s at this point, mid-30s.

Um, he's a friend of this guy named Jamie Curd, who we'll talk about as well.

Curd is a turd with a C.

Really?

Absolutely.

Cheese.

Like cheese, like a curd.

Billy had a bit of a drug habit.

All right.

Now, Janelle and Billy became Facebook friends and everything like that.

So Billy started inviting her to group social activities like rock climbing and hiking and shit, too.

On one outing, Janelle went with Tracy and with Billy Payne and a group of friends.

And Janelle and Tracy later attended a party thrown by Billy at Billy's house.

So, I mean, this is, she's starting to get in with a group here.

Small town, yeah.

So

all this interaction made Janelle start to like Billy.

Oh.

She likes Billy.

She starts to have feelings for him, and Billy doesn't reciprocate.

He's not into her, right?

Not into her.

Tracy said, Everybody says she fell in love with Bill, but I still don't see that.

So she says, I don't think she was in love with him, but she had some sort of infatuation with him.

Now, Billy, he wasn't doing great either.

He was taking pain medication and had a drug problem too, was doing meth and shit.

Oh, okay.

He was doing, yeah, he was doing both.

But he started going to a clinic and going to meetings and cleaning himself up.

Trying to get better.

Yeah.

After he meets a young lady who he's very interested in.

Oh.

One is a lot younger than him, too, about 13 years younger than him.

And that is...

So Billy meets

meet your future love, Billy.

Oh, boy.

Her name is Billie also.

Of course it is.

There's a couple where both people are named Billy.

Billie and Billie.

Billy and Billy.

She's Billie Jean.

Uh-huh.

She's Billie Jean, literally, which she's born in 89, so her parents knew.

Really?

They knew.

They named her fucking Billie Jean.

Wow.

That's rough on a kid, man.

Maybe they were just tennis fans.

James.

Yeah, that's what it was.

So,

yeah, Billie Jean here.

I just never wanted her to date because she's not my lover.

No, she's not my lover.

Tell you that right now.

She's just a girl.

Yeah.

She says that I'm the one, but

that kid is not my son.

I'm telling you right fucking now.

He's not.

Don't try to pin this shit on me.

I pulled out really early on that one, so don't even fucking bring it to me.

I got it all the way to your face.

There's no way that

no way.

Is that Bill Murray said that?

I pulled out really early on.

Really on that.

It's not kingpin, yeah.

He was in your hair, for Christ's sake.

So then after he meets Billie Jean, Billie Jean Hayworth is her name, by the way.

After Billy meets Billy, Billy turns his life around.

Really?

I'm going to have to call her Billie Jean or else this is not going to work.

She is his lover.

That's what I mean.

Turns his life around.

They start dating in 2010.

The relationship becomes quick, serious very quickly.

They get engaged and move in together.

They live in Mountain City with Billy's dad.

Really?

You know what his name is?

Billy.

Paw Bill.

P-A-W.

Paw Bill.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They don't know that Paw is just just P-A.

Nope.

It's Paw Bill.

So we got Paw Bill, Billy, and Billy all living in the same house together.

All right.

I got a phone call for a Bill, and everybody rushes to the phone.

They get

what they do here, what they're trying to do is they're trying to kind of, the friend group is trying to kind of

push her away from Billy.

Twish Janelle away from Billy, not Billie Jean, push Janelle away from Billy and towards somebody else who might be interested, basically.

Billy's taken.

You can't date him, Janelle.

He wasn't interested in Janelle, and then he met Billie Gene, and then he was all about Billie Gene.

So Janelle's got no shot here.

Now,

so basically, Billy, the man, male Billy, not Billy.

If I say Billy, it's the guy.

If I say Billie Jean, it's the girl.

Okay.

Billy and Tracy, brother and sister, decided to set Janelle up with their second cousin, Jamie Kurd.

God, Jesus.

This is so.

Oh, boy.

Okay.

This is a lot of people.

And I'd say make a family tree, but it's going to be the branches are all connected.

It's a mess.

Yeah.

So Janelle didn't have a boyfriend.

Jamie didn't have a girlfriend.

And they were like, eh, let's hook these two up together.

And that'll make her stop bothering you, Billy.

That'll be perfect.

Now, Janelle, the problem with Janelle, Janelle has bothered a lot of people.

Oh.

Janelle is kind of aggressive on Facebook and

things like that.

Well, Lindsay Thomas, let's bring up here.

She's a young lady who was kind of a victim of some harassment from Janelle, both online and over the phone.

She said shortly after she accepted Janelle's Facebook friend request, Janelle began posting statements on Facebook that Lindsay Thomas and Billie Jean were, quote, mean girls.

Oh, boy.

Did you friend her just so you could tag her in bad shit about her or something?

Like, what about her 30s?

That's what I mean.

You're 30 years old.

This is mean girls.

This is crazy.

So this Lindsay Thomas said Janelle captured images from Lindsay and Billie Jean's Facebook pages and posted them on her own page,

tagging them with Janelle's name to make it appear as if the photographs depicted Janelle.

She said, like, here's me with pictures of them.

What the fuck?

Which is just weird behavior.

Yeah.

So Lindsay Thomas called Janelle to,

you know,

ask her to not

could you not do that anymore, please.

Yeah.

And Janelle said, I don't know what you're talking about.

And she said, I didn't write anything about you guys on Facebook.

I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

This is crazy.

Oh, boy.

Which they're like, but I saw it was on your whatever.

Okay.

So Lindsay then said, after this conversation, she began receiving as many as 15 to 20 telephone calls per day

in which no one spoke, but she could hear breathing.

What is the deal?

Dude, she said she knew the calls were from Janelle because she didn't even bother to block the number.

She didn't even bother to star 6'7 that shit, which still works, by the way.

That works on your cell phone even.

Yeah.

Yeah, it does.

She didn't even bother to do that.

She saw that they came from the Potter family's home phone, the landline.

What is she doing?

She's calling from her landline and doing this, which makes no sense.

So May of 2011, Lindsay filed charges for telephone harassment against her.

Yeah.

The court will later dismiss the charges because Lindsay had been

unable to prove that Janelle herself was the caller.

Right.

They said, you don't know who called from that phone.

Could have been anybody in that family.

Could have been, you need to have a specific person.

I just know it came from that phone.

That's all.

Yep.

That's it.

Now, Tara Osborne is someone else that met Janelle out in the wild, actually, not online.

Tara Osborne met Janelle at a grocery store in the fall of 2010.

Now, after meeting Janelle, she got a Facebook friend request request from her in which this woman accepted Tara Osborne.

But she got tired of what she called the quote negativity that Janelle created on Facebook and the frequency of Janelle's messaging her.

Right.

This is because

she has nothing to do.

If you have nothing to do,

yeah, and she's not even allowed to drive where she's supposed to go.

I mean, it's, it's crazy, but if you have nothing else to do, this is your whole world.

Right.

She gets up.

This is her whole world.

I mean, there's nothing else going on.

It starts to become like a weird fantasy.

So, real weird stuff.

So, anyway, by the way, back to Lindsay here.

Or that was Lindsay.

There's multiple Lindsays as well.

Lindsay's, of course.

First, we talked about Lindsay Thomas.

Now we're going to talk about Lindsay Potter, who has no relation to the Potter family.

To make it a little more confusing for everybody, let's have two Lindsays.

This one's not related to the.

She doesn't even know buddy.

This is crazy, isn't it?

Okay.

Now, she became, Lindsay Potter became friends with Janelle in 2011 on Facebook.

Initially, Janelle would like and comment on her, you know, her posts and all that bullshit, like friends do.

At one point, though, Janelle posted a photograph of Billie Jean

that she took from another Facebook account and, quote, said some nasty things about Billie Jean.

So do we have, do we have any specifics of what she said?

She just was saying nasty shit, apparently.

Some nasty things is all that she said.

We don't have it because this

Lindsey Potter asked Janelle to remove the post because it wasn't cool, basically.

Okay.

And Janelle did and removed the post.

So then we don't have it later.

So and then afterwards, she didn't initiate any contact with Lindsey Potter for a bit.

She kind of, you know, let that cool for a minute.

It might be a little embarrassing to show up after that.

Yeah.

Now, a little bit about Jamie Kurd here.

Yeah.

Jamie Turd, Janelle's boyfriend,

he is a few years older than her.

He's like mid-30s type of deal.

Okay.

Lived in Johnson County with his mother when he first met everybody here.

He worked at Parkdale Mills

with Billy.

Okay.

With Billy Payne.

A mill, I assume.

Oh.

An actual fucking mill.

Maybe it was a mall.

We don't know.

We don't know.

I doubt it.

These two seem like they're...

Well, I I know work starts at like 6.30 in the morning.

Okay.

It's a mall.

It's a factory of some kind.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Also, I don't think there's a fucking mall here.

No, you have to go to the next town for groceries, they said, for fuck's sake.

There's no mall.

They said that, yeah, he worked

at the mill with Billy and Billie Jean.

Okay.

And anyway, so that's, he got introduced in late 2009, and then they started hanging out, Janelle and Jamie turd.

So after they, a little while after they met, Jamie,

after they met here, Janelle asked Billy for Jamie's phone number.

So he gave it to her, and Janelle began calling him, but just for like short 30 to 45 second phone calls.

Yeah.

She explained that she couldn't speak longer because her parents would know that she was calling him and she's not allowed to call a boy.

So

if you're 35 years old and somebody tells you that, you go, okay, and you hang up and never talk to them again because there's something weird going on.

You don't want to be part of it.

You have to a conversation with your folks first that's yeah you talk to them and then talk to me let's do some adult shit here so during one call she told jamie that her computer was messing up yeah so jamie by the way jamie is not some sort of computer expert no he didn't go to any he just knows how to work a computer

so her computer's messed up so jamie went to the house to work on their computer nice yeah just to

set here yeah i can see him showing up with a toolbox and like a sauce.

Show me where the transmission is on this thing.

I got my Allen keys.

Where are we doing here?

God, it's alternator.

It's just fucked up.

Your problem is, I'm not seeing oil anywhere.

I feel like this thing is not lubricated at all.

I mean, it's just all going to seize up on me, of course.

Jeez, you had a change recently or something?

Anything?

Damn.

Don't worry.

I got penzil in the truck.

Hey, they didn't put any fluids in it when they changed it last time.

They left it dry.

So he goes over there to do that.

Jamie said that Barb and Janelle use the computer, but Buddy doesn't.

Right.

Not a computer guy.

Now, he occasionally, this is the weird part about Jamie.

He occasionally, quote, worked on people's computers, even though he had no actual computer training or any kind of anything.

He just knows how to like run the Norton antivirus to see if you're...

It's all he knows.

Did you shut it off and turn it back on?

I don't know.

Have you tried that?

So over the course of a few visits, Jamie performed a disc cleanup on their computer and eventually reformatted it.

Wow.

So these are not hard things to do, by the way.

So while he worked on the computer, Janelle would sit and talk with him in the computer room, and that's how they got to know each other.

Okay.

So it started, it turned into a romantic relationship,

which Janelle, of course, kept secret from her parents, obviously.

Yeah.

So, yeah, they would do all this.

He kept coming out.

That computer kept breaking down, boy.

It's just

the thing.

It's on the phone.

It was smoking.

It was sputtering at one point, squeaking, just a squeaking.

When you press the H, it just squeaks.

And I don't know why.

The whole computer will squeak up on me.

So that's what he, so he's having to come over and fix it all the time.

Yeah.

Now, eventually, Jamie buys Janelle a prepaid cell phone that's so that he and Janelle could talk without her parents knowing about it.

Little burner.

Yeah.

Little burner action here.

Janelle told Jamie to hide the phone in a bush at the corner of her front yard and she'll get it when he bought it for her.

This is, she's 30.

This is how I used to like get weed delivered to me when I was 15.

Yeah, I got you the phone.

Put it in the hibiscus.

I'll get it.

Put it under the rock.

The fuck are you talking about?

Jesus.

So Janelle used the cell phone to call him.

you know, over and over until Barb found the cell phone.

Oh, shit.

And then sent Jamie a text going, I have the phone now, asshole.

So if you're going to text her, it's send pictures of your dick somewhere else.

Yeah.

P.S.

I like it, Vaney.

So then Jamie had to buy another prepaid cell phone for Janelle and hit it under the bush again.

Yeah.

They would secretly spoke on that for about five or six months.

So they're building their relationship.

Jamie and Janelle then started to talk about sometime in the future they could possibly elope together.

Elope.

elope, and that's like a real elopement.

That's like he's going to pull up in front of the house at one in the morning and she's going to run out with a suitcase and they're going to go to the nearest justice of the peace.

Actually, go elope.

A real because when someone says we elope, that's what I picture.

Yeah.

My automatic, weird picture in my mind is them like running away from people like with suitcases.

Clothes with a suitcase with socks hanging out of it.

Oh, we made it.

Yeah.

Just, I don't feel like having grandma there because she's called my fucking girlfriend the n-word.

Yeah.

It's like

it's different, you know?

Yeah.

So that's really why people elope.

So February of 2010,

Jamie's birthday that day, he went to two parties, one of which was at the residence of all the Billies.

Okay.

Gene, regular, and fucking Pa, all of them.

He drank so much fucking booze there that he passed out.

It's his birthday, and it was that was the second party of the night.

So it's a damn fine party.

He showed up all warmed up already.

Yeah.

Now, around 8:30 a.m.

the next morning, Jamie's cell phone rang, which he must have been in a great condition to answer and be very helpful.

I'm late.

Yeah.

When he answered, it's Buddy on the phone.

Oh.

Uh-oh.

And said that Janelle had left the house and they found her in a ditch.

She left the house and they found her in a ditch and she doesn't love Jamie and and stay away from her.

Okay.

She left the house.

She got all fucked up.

She doesn't love you.

Leave her alone.

Okay.

Then Buddy handed the phone to Janelle.

And Janelle told Jamie that she didn't love him anymore.

Oh, boy.

So Jamie agreed to stop talking to Janelle.

He was like, all right, I mean, if she doesn't want anything to do with me, I'm happy to stop talking to her.

Then she called three days later because that was just the parents trying to force her to break up the relationship, which she's 30 goddamn years old.

What do you want?

This is bizarre.

Well, you people are going to be dead someday.

So then what is she going to do?

And then what is she going to do?

Right.

Sit there by herself?

This is crazy.

You want her to roll into the hole too?

Exactly.

Yeah.

Jump on in with you guys.

Hold her nose and dive.

So Janelle said she does love him.

I want to keep talking to you.

And they would speak on the phone for hours and hours.

Very teenagery stuff.

I mean, sending text messages all the time back and forth.

And, you know, it's just they're having a

budding relationship that sounds like it's two very much younger people.

That's all.

It's embarrassing.

It's a little embarrassing.

So Janelle didn't want her mother to know they were still talking, though.

So she would contact him like at strange hours.

It'd be midnight, she'd call or stuff like that.

And Janelle always had to call him because she told him never to call her because she doesn't know if she'll be in her parents' presence and the phone will ring and then it's all over with.

You can explode everything.

Yeah, that'll be all fucked up.

Next thing you know, here comes the 30-rock theme song coming out of a goddamn

like shit.

So, you know, go ahead and live your life on a whim, and then when I call, drop fucking everything.

Drop everything and talk to me.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

But be waiting for me because I'll be calling.

Don't worry.

Very strange.

Now,

he couldn't take her out on dates.

No, because somebody will see.

Because they're not allowed to, the parents won't let her go out.

So it's a very weird relationship here.

Eventually, Barb and Buddy warm up to Jamie a bit.

Jamie's mom died in May of 2011 and they felt bad for him.

Yeah.

So Buddy apparently called Jamie to say that if you need anything, give me a call.

Sorry, your mom died, which

that's nice.

That's being an adult there.

It's the first time he's shown any behavior that's adult-like, but still.

So Barb also called Jamie and invited him over to dinner, which is a coup.

That's a huge step here.

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Barb also then began inviting Jamie on holidays to the house and stuff.

Okay.

And Barb would also,

during the visits, he heard Barb talking about a Chris also, whom she referred to as her son, even though she only has two daughters.

Who the hell is Chris?

We'll find out in a little bit.

Don't worry.

Okay.

Now, Billy and Billy, the Billy conglomerate here.

The Billy connie.

Okay.

Jamie said when he first met Billie Jean was when she got a job at Parkdale Mills, and that's when she and Billy.

Billy Boy started dating.

So Billy told Jamie that he and Billie Jean hit it off right away and that he just fell head over heels in love with her.

As you do.

As one does.

So after Billie Jean gets pregnant with Billy's child,

that's when things start to get a little weird.

Janelle starts telling everyone that'll listen that Billie Jean, quote, doesn't deserve that kid.

Oh, for heaven's sake.

Like it's an accomplishment to get.

Yeah, knocked up.

By a Billy, yeah, when you first get together.

So

Jamie told Janelle that Billy was in love with Billie Jean, and he believed that they're going to probably be together a long time.

They really seem to be together.

We're doing it fine.

Janelle said that Billy was, quote, not going to keep Billie Jean and that she was just another girlfriend that wouldn't last long.

Okay.

If I'm Jamie, I'm like, what the hell do you give a shit what Billy's doing, first of all?

I get that you used to like him.

Why is she so jealous?

She's very jealous.

Well, she liked Billy, and Billy didn't like her.

Then Jamie noticed a change in Billy after he began dating Billie Jean

for the better.

Billy started drinking less and stopped doing drugs completely.

Damn it.

Went to meetings and went to...

Billy, how dare you turn your life around?

Got his life together as an adult?

Crazy.

Yeah, I guess for a while, Jamie,

they worked the same shift, Billy and Jamie, but then after a while, their shifts began.

they got put on different shifts.

Uh-huh.

So he said

things kind of just, their friendship kind of dissipated just based on them not seeing each other very often because they don't work together anymore.

Now, let's talk about topics.

Like we said,

the website that we talked about here.

Now, topics here,

at this time, someone began posting negative comments about the Billies

and all of their friends on the Mountain City page of the website Topics.

Yeah.

Okay.

Enter Chris.

Now, Chris.

The son that never was.

Doesn't exist.

Yeah.

Well, that's not her son, anyway.

Right.

The son that they never had.

Chris is a CIA agent.

Oh.

Now, I'm going to put CIA agent Chris.

All those words get their own quotes around them.

Every single word in that sentence, okay?

Now, Janelle often spoke to Jamie about Chris, who she said was a friend of the family and like a brother to her.

Okay.

Hence why mom would call her son.

Janelle told Jamie that Chris was a CIA agent and, quote, worked on cases and stuff.

Right.

That's what they do.

It tends to be the way it goes there.

Right.

And that Chris had a house in Tennessee and one in Pennsylvania, where they're from.

That's how they know him so well.

And he would go back and forth.

Janelle said that she and Chris were the same age.

And we're talking exact same age, by the way.

Same birthday?

Same birthday.

Wow.

Same everything.

They're like an hour apart.

Wow.

So same age, and that he'd lived next door to her in Pennsylvania and that they'd went to high school together.

That's how this happened.

She also spoke about Chris to online friends, a guy named Bob Mehan, who lived in Pennsylvania.

This Bob Meehan was just Facebook friends with Janelle.

Never met her in person, but they just interacted through Facebook and emails and texts and all that kind of shit.

Now,

he thought he was in a long-distance relationship with Janelle.

He thought they were boyfriend and girlfriend, but they weren't.

Not according to Janelle anyway.

That's that one guy.

Now, during conversations that this guy, this Meehan guy had with Janelle, she occasionally mentioned someone named Chris, who was a CIA agent from Pennsylvania, who had transferred to Tennessee.

You know, because rural Tennessee is where most of the, that's most of where the intelligence community is.

It's

really in the mountains.

It's a pretty good way to do it.

It's not bad.

Janelle also communicated pretty much daily with text messages with Melanie Clayton, who is an online friend who lived in North Carolina.

She told this Melanie Clayton about a Chris or a Matt that she referred to as like a brother to her.

That's what Clayton said.

Janelle told this woman that Jamie was her boyfriend, though.

So then Jamie started getting text messages from Chris.

Yeah.

He started getting texts from this Chris guy.

I guess, you know, he's part of the family sort of now.

So what's he not?

Well, Janelle complained to Jamie that people were posting negative comments about her on topics.

Oh, boy.

People are posting mean stuff about me on topics.

I'm

surprised.

Yeah.

And that Chris also...

Yeah.

Chris had also reported to Jamie

about things people were posting about Janelle on topics.

And Chris would say to Jamie that it needs to stop.

This is, they're not, they're being mean.

Chris said that he was a friend of Janelle's and that he told Jamie that he worked for the CIA as well.

Chris didn't have an email account, he just used Janelle's email account because he couldn't be followed that way.

Because with the CIA, you don't want to have your own email account that somebody could find and hack.

So you use a 30-year-old developmentally disabled girl's

email.

That was bull2dog at AOL.com.

And he contacted Jamie through text or by email

sent to Jamie's phone from Janelle's email account.

That's how it worked.

Jamie never spoke to Chris on the phone or met him face to face.

He just communicated with him this way.

Chris told Jamie that because of his training and everything, he has kind of, he said this smirking, yeah, I have a kind of a phobia of phones, if you know what I mean.

I don't like using them because that way I can be tracked and I do some covert shit and I can't be having people track me.

You can find me real easy.

That way you can find me.

So Janelle told Jamie that Chris also communicated with her through email as well.

So he says, yeah, that's how Chris communicates.

When Jamie would receive an email from Janelle's account from Chris, he said he knew he knew it was he knew who was talking to him without having to look at the

sign-off.

He said, just based on the words they would use.

He said that, you know, Chris used words Janelle would never use, so he knew it was Chris.

He said Chris would start emails with, hey, man, or hey, dude, or what's it going?

You know, what's going on, or how's it going?

Or shit, guys, say to each other.

Yeah.

And also, he said that Janelle never cursed, never called people names, or spoke real hatefully about people.

But Chris would rant and rave about everything with all sorts of

kinds of profanity and everything else.

Hey, old fuckrag.

What's up, fuckrag?

Come on, see me.

What's up, cunt stick?

Get over here.

So

Jamie said that

he would, you know, would rant about all that shit and that he would sign his emails, Chris.

Chris said that, or Jamie said that Chris

really didn't like the Billies.

Chris was upset at the Billies and their friends.

Chris also told Jamie how much Janelle loved him, and Chris advised Jamie on how to improve his relationship with Janelle.

He's like, I've known her her whole life.

So this is probably, you know, trying to give like counseling.

Now, at this point, Janelle has type 1 diabetes.

Like we said, she has to check her sugar levels at a very regular interval, and she has to give herself insulin as well.

Oh, Jesus.

And when it would get too far out of range, her sugar, she would be hospitalized, and that would be that.

So, yeah.

So she would kind of go kind of out of communication for a few days if she was in the hospital.

Now,

the court case is still going on for Janelle where she's being accused of harassing

the one lady.

So

at that point, Jamie started to get emails from Chris that were sent from Janelle's email account in which Chris expressed his concerns that Janelle is having some problems with her health.

And he said, I hope Janelle don't think about killing herself.

Oh.

So Jamie responded, quote, I think that if it wasn't for us, she might have thought about it, didn't say it, but I can tell she has just took all that she can take from those motherfuckers.

They won't let up and they're crazy.

Hell, I don't know why they have to do this.

I don't know.

I don't know their life has to be, has to

such at the point, that's how he wrote it exactly, since it's hard to say, that they see this as a sick joke or something.

Dumb bastards.

Okay.

So

Chris and Jamie email each other a lot.

There's a lot of communication between them, back and forth, back and forth.

So, yeah.

Now,

Janelle tells Barbara that the CIA had sent someone to Mountain City to protect Janelle from the Billies,

which I don't think is what the CIA does.

Are they not supposed to protect U.S.

citizens?

I don't think they're supposed to.

One by one.

One by one, based on who's being bullied on social media.

I don't think that's what they're supposed to do.

Probably.

Does it stand for social?

Yeah.

Just off the top of my head here.

I don't think that's their fucking job.

Yeah.

So anyway, in one thing here, Barbara wished Chris a happy birthday on Facebook, writing, it's amazing that you and Janelle were born on the same day, same year.

one minute apart at the same hospital.

Unbelievable.

She said, that's such a coincidence.

So, like, she was having her baby, and this,

they're neighbors, too, and next door at the same time.

So, they got their babies synced up.

They fucked at the same time.

They got, yeah, they got had their periods synced up.

Now they got their births synced up.

They got their placentas synced up now.

Incredible.

So, Chris to Jamie, you know, kept her, kept that correspondence going on.

Chris, when he would talk to Barbara, would more like position himself as a protective figure who understood what she's going through as a mother and all that.

She seems to, he's almost like a cool uncle.

Sure.

Or like a brother that's much older than you that can be like a bridge between you and the parents.

You know what I mean?

Like, I understand where the parents are coming from.

I was a kid once, too, when he goes to the kid.

Like it's one of those.

Also, Buddy likes Chris as well because Buddy.

you know, he'll send an email for Buddy and just say, read this to your dad.

Yeah.

And he appealed to his military background because he's a CIA, love of firearms, because Chris likes firearms too.

Now, more people enter the feud.

Okay.

The feud that's going on.

Enter not only CIA agent Chris,

Agent Chris, I believe, is his official name.

Yeah, yeah.

Also, Matt Potter.

Matt Potter.

Is that going to be the other girls?

No?

He's, I guess, some sort of relation.

I'm not sure.

Yeah.

And a Cody and a Kelly.

Yeah.

That's who we're talking about.

So we got four other people in the mix now.

Matt Potter, CIA agent Chris, Cody, and Kelly.

Yeah.

Cody with a C, Kelly with a K.

Okay.

Now,

Matt Potter,

he posted a bunch of stuff calling, this is when the Lindsey Thomas and Tara Osborne situation was going on.

Yeah.

He posted that Billie Gene, Lindsey Thomas, and Tara Osborne are all, quote, no good whores.

No good whores.

No good whores,

which is just funny wording.

I mean, it's obviously mean, but it's just funny.

If you're saying it in a joking manner, that's hilarious.

Yeah.

I just want, I want Norm McDonald to rise from the dead for one day just to hear him say, no good whores, one time.

One day

beef with Jimmy Kimmel.

He had his, his,

his profile picture was jimmy's face and it said no good pussy on it

that's no good whores

no good whores no good whores also accused them of selling drugs

and made numerous threats of violence as well which we'll talk about uh kelly is another one here we'll we'll get into the exact things kelly supported these accusations right and added some of of kelly's own uh saying that thomas lindsey thomas also had HIV as well.

Oh, my God.

No good.

Go forward with HIV.

And said, Janelle's actually nice.

Now, here are some messages we are going to read.

We're going to read social media messages now.

Jesus.

Careful what you do in your life.

Dude.

James and I might get your password out.

Telling you right now.

We've done so many things where I'm like, you have no idea when you're writing this email, when you're doing something.

Like, we'll do it at a live show and be like, these people had no idea.

Two assholes would be reading this in front of 1,500 people who are going to laugh at them.

No idea that was ever going to happen when they wrote this.

Be careful what you write.

Yeah.

So this is Dan White.

Okay.

Another person who's in this mix.

Dan White,

AOL.

Okay.

This is AOL Messenger, this is, which I don't know.

Oh, my God.

I can't.

Still around.

They disabled that at some point, right?

Beats the shit out of me.

It doesn't fucking matter.

No.

All right.

So Dan White, April 21st, 2010.

He says, wow, Matt and Kelly.

Those are the two people we talked about who are in the mix.

Matt and Kelly, I knew she was bad, but I had no clue she was off the deep end.

She's crazy, that's for sure.

I think they're meaning Lindsey Thomas here at this point.

Okay.

Sounds like all of them are.

I know Billie Jean.

That bitch has lived with more guys and have sex with 80% of Mountain City.

Oh, my God.

And Lindsey Thomas, I would would say half of Mountain City.

Who cares?

He's really keeping track.

He's got a stat book.

He's got like one of those number counters that like a bouncer has.

80%.

They know when you get the fire code.

Then you trade, then you trade and Butler, and then you have Doe and then Johnson City and then Kingsport.

She's been all over and she does have HIV.

This is all around town.

Oh, God.

Because someone said it a long time ago.

It must be true.

And Mrs.

Osborne, this is Tara.

They put her name in there.

And Tara,

she will give it to anyone.

Her poor husband, he's a nice guy, but he never wants to be home with her.

I think when his baby is 18, he will leave her dumbass too.

She is a whore, too.

I agree with you both.

And this girl, Janelle, I do know as in passing, but she is a good girl and was brought up right.

You can tell everything is you're welcome and hello and thank you.

And she's just a sweet girl.

I will be praying for Janelle.

As far as the other ones go, they're no good horse sluts.

Horse sluts.

Horse luts.

They're, by the way, T-H-E-R-E.

Sure.

They're

no good horse sluts.

And that is carrying, and that is carrying something and giving it to everyone, presumably HIV.

Damn, girls, they live in high high school still and they need to grow up.

Okay.

Matt Potter on AOL in this conversation says, Janelle's a sweet person and people try to get her, but she has a lot of us behind her if she knows it or not.

But her dad is big time and he will deal with the rest of this shit.

They're fucking whores, and that's all this town is, and drugs.

I know for sure Billie Jean and Lindsay did drugs together, and I know Tara does meth.

She's gotten off Jason.

I know way too much, LOL.

I love that Janelle is not like them and she stayed sweet.

They're dumb assholes.

Motherfuckers get what's coming their way.

They don't know who I am.

God damn it.

Wow.

Matt Potter the next day on AOL

says, well, I guess Lindsay, Lindsay Payne, not Lindsay Potter,

don't know that have his number and his phone is being taped.

I think tapped is what they're going for.

Ha, I know what he said about Janelle.

Oh, no, Billy.

I'm sorry.

This is not Lindsay.

It's Billy they're talking about.

Billy don't know that I have his number and his phone's being tapped.

Ha, I know what he said about Janelle and it was wrong.

He's a fucking,

he's a fucking work when these girls are doing this to Janelle.

We got our stuff and Janelle, I'm sure, has stuff too.

I'm going to be posting numbers if they don't stop buging Janelle.

B-U-G-I-N-G.

Bugging, I think is what they're going for.

We've got her.

They're saying we got guns and shit.

Stuff is what they're saying.

And then all kinds of people will be calling them.

I have cells to home phone numbers, and fucking Billie Jean is getting so fat with that baby, she looks like a chipmunk that's eating too many nuts, L-O-L.

How dare she gain weight with a child inside her?

Stay hot for me.

A stranger, please.

A stranger who's making comments on the internet.

Wow.

I hope she loses that baby in time.

What's the scrap, man?

What the fuck, dude?

What would someone have to do to you?

The other one has HIV.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Come on, Jimmy.

Jesus, stick with the program.

Understand who's pregnant, who has HIV, and who's a good old-fashioned horse slut.

You got to understand these things, Jimmy, and I'm really disappointed that you're not paying closer attention.

Okay,

so I hope she loses the baby in time.

Unbelievable.

Wow.

Imagine caring if someone else has a baby or not.

Who gives?

Whether or not it's healthy.

Who gives a fuck?

It don't need a mother like Billie Gene and Billy.

He's no father by the way.

He acts and talks.

Sooner they move out of town, the better.

I think something about getting a house.

I hope he can't get it.

I hope they have to live out in the woods.

More better, more better for Chipmunk.

She can't make friends out there and fuck deer and bear and whatever else.

What is happening?

What is going on right now?

This is horrifying.

Fuck deer and bear and whatever else.

More better for her anyway, because that's where she hunts and gathers.

That's

fucking all those nuts.

Well, when she said better for Chipmunk, I was going to say because of the nuts, obviously.

But no, it's

not even because of the nuts.

It's to be able to fuck every mammal in the forest.

That's what it is.

Deers and bears.

Wow.

I hope a bear would eat her, but the way she looks, it would go running the other way, lol.

Ugly ass bitch whore.

Bitch whore.

Bitch whore.

Ugly ass bitch whore.

Can't leave no one alone.

Druggy whore ass bitch.

Go fuck a damn tree for all I care.

Leave Janelle alone.

The bear and the deer aren't enough for you.

The trees are available.

This is

a 12-year-old that got the internet and it's his first day.

That's what's going on here.

So Billy, male Billy, not Billy Jean, he prints out copies of these posts and places them into a binder.

Yeah.

He shows Greenwell there, what's her name?

Tara?

Was that her name?

Tara?

Yeah.

Some of them shit he got.

And

that,

wow, that got this woman to post a message to Janelle on Facebook saying your friend Matt needs to leave Billie Jean

and Lindsay off the topics website you lost my brother as a friend and I'm not happy with you either Janelle responds to this message this is Greenwell this is Billy's sister from the beginning got it yes okay Tracy

she responds to Tracy

By denying she ever posted negative comments about the victims.

Janelle said she didn't know who Matt Potter was and she didn't do anything wrong.

And then there have been a lot of trash talking about me in this town from everybody.

So fuck them.

I hope people do talk shit about him.

Take that.

Then she said again, quote, they need to back off.

I don't talk to them and I don't know them.

Why don't you tell them to get away from me and

tell them do not pull my driveway?

Dad is getting a little sick of it.

He has gone with me to the cops and I showed them and gave them names and they looked up everything and they also know that I'm not doing a thing.

So this is not my fault.

If you hate me, then I don't care.

What is going on?

Okay, now.

So yeah, she said, I don't know shit.

So

September 2010, Janelle's Facebook to Osborne now, Tara Osborne.

Okay.

Janelle,

Janelle, Tara Osborne sent Janelle a private message on Facebook in which she apologized to Janelle for not responding to instant chat messages and explained that she had problems with her computer.

I know a guy.

I kind of say, I know a guy who can do a lot.

Now, Tara Osborne received the following response from

Janelle on Facebook.

Quote, hey, sweetie, it's really okay.

I understand.

I hope you all are doing well.

I thank you for taking the time to write me.

I hope you get it all worked out and everything.

I'm not sad or mad or anything with you, honey.

I can understand.

It's okay.

I'm doing okay.

My health is not well.

And things I'm trying to fix and let people go and just leave me alone, but I think that it's too much to ask for.

Laugh out loud.

She didn't say LOL.

She wrote out laugh out loud.

Which I've never seen before.

I've never heard of that.

Before the LOL thing came out, it's not like people were saying that to each other or writing it in letters, laugh out loud.

Never happened.

No.

So if they don't stop talking and putting me down, I'm going to end up saying what I'm really thinking and how mad I really am and see how they like it.

I have not done anything to anyone and I stay to myself and talk to friends, but they go overboard and they are just mean girls, really.

I hate that they talk about me and I hate that they act like they do.

Anything to anyone to get away with it.

It's sad.

Well, anyway, I hope you're doing well.

I'm praying and thinking of you.

Take care and God bless Janelle.

Janelle.

Yeah.

So at that point,

she started messaging all the time.

So this Tara Osborne altered her Facebook page so that it doesn't show when she's logged into her Facebook account.

Oh, my God.

Because as soon as she logged in, she'd get a message, like the messages would start coming.

She'd be like, Jesus Christ.

So,

yeah, she then ended up unfriending Janelle when that didn't resolve anything.

She just kept sending her constant shit.

So January 1st, 2011.

This is from Chris to Barb.

Okay.

Okay.

But obviously from Janelle's account, but Chris, to Barb.

Hi, Barbara.

How are you?

Barb is Janelle's mom in case you've forgotten by now because we've talked about 700 people.

Buddy's wife.

Mother of Christine and Janelle.

Hi, Barbara.

How are you?

I hope you're well.

This is Chris, aka Cody.

I give up.

What?

I give up, man.

I thought Cody was a separate person, but he's not.

I run by topics because I saw that they said Janelle was up here and you both,

and with you both buddy and you and I saw it and got on there and took care of it

okay

he goes on to talk about how he tells Barb that he you know he works with the CIA and claiming that he'd gotten rid of a lot of people in Russia and New York oh boy and he wrote that he had shot a lot of people while working for the CIA yeah he explained to Barbara quote I got to a point where they were bad people

and

bad people, and then there's a lot of misspellings here.

So I had to kill, basically.

But I love to shoot now, and killing does not bother me at all.

Actually, bother is the word he used.

He said that he was at the office, and at the office, he's known as Cody Wise

with a Z.

Yeah.

W-I-Z-E.

Wow.

Because Banks was taken.

Yeah.

He also

Yeah.

He also told Barb that if she so desired, he could kill her estranged daughter.

I could.

Yeah.

And

also

the rest of your family who you don't like in Pennsylvania.

I could just kill everybody for you.

I'll do you a favor.

Yeah.

He said, I have each one of them in my sights and can get to them anytime.

I just might.

Then he warned Barb about potential threats to her own safety and advised that she should not go to her mother's house alone.

Dangerous.

Mom's house is bad.

Bad stuff.

Chris wrote that he would work on getting everything off topics, noting that he had

so much on them all, all these people talking.

I got all the dirt.

Yeah, I know.

And he concluded with, I love you all, your son, Chris.

So Barb responds, as Barbie, by the way, on here, she says, she signs off Barbie.

She warned that, quote, Buddy says if they kill me, heart attack, stroke, et cetera, health problems due to stress, that he will do what he was trained to do.

Meaning, if his fam, if her family stresses her to the point of death, then Buddy's going to murder everyone.

You don't even worry about it.

Wow.

She told Chris that if he wanted to meet with Buddy to let her know when and where and that she would pass the message along with Buddy.

If you guys want to put together a murder plot.

She also encouraged Chris that, quote, as long as you're doing the right thing for mankind, then you will not be judged badly.

Yeah, sometimes murder has to happen.

I mean, that's just necessary.

God understands.

God understands.

If it is like Buddy did, you're helping others by getting rid of the bad.

What, what?

You know, in Vietnam, I think she's getting that there.

Or he said he was in the CIA, so maybe that's what it was, too.

She also communicated to him her desire for Janelle to have someone to, quote, take care of her and be good to her.

So the message that she wrote to Chris said, these guys down here are are trash.

And we threw the last one out last year in January.

Jerk Jamie Kurd.

Oh.

He took advantage of me and was dirty and muddy and walked in the house any old time, even when Jen was in the hospital one time.

Whoa.

That's why he's a jerk.

Dirty and muddy.

How dare you?

He did not have good manners and smelled, too.

Uh-huh.

Yeah.

Okay.

He used to hang out with Billy and

the who she called the maybe father of Billie Jean's baby.

Oh, come on.

Not sure yet.

And he's running a whorehouse, you know.

Oh, is that right?

Oh, wow.

We would not let her go out in the car with him because he had a trap from a car and we did not have trust with him.

A trap for a car.

Okay.

She did not want to go out with him either.

She is such a good person.

On January 5th, she writes to Chris, this is Barb again, wow, I never knew how much I hated or how much I am in danger at all, or how much I was hated or how much I'm in danger at all.

Thank you so much for all the information.

Oh, Chris really let her know.

Yeah, because Chris was telling me, these people want to kill you.

Don't go to your mother's house alone, all that kind of shit.

It's the CIA, man.

Some CIA plot.

They know.

Don't even, listen, don't ask too many questions, okay?

Just, I don't want to have to put you on the list, too.

You know what I'm saying?

The CIA knows everybody that hates you.

They know all.

They'll tell you.

They know all they see.

Well, usually that's, I get a lot in the mail.

I'll just get a printout sometimes.

No address, no letter.

Yeah, it's all.

It just says, read me on it on an envelope, and I open it.

And it's like, it's all sorts of CIA shit just telling me shit.

Creditkarma.com will show you who hates you.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

That's what I hear.

I hear them and also freecreditreport.com.

I think they only did that because Credit Karma was offering it first.

We can't get beat to the punch.

Well, fuck now.

What are we going to do?

People aren't going to have files and we'll just publish them online.

All right.

Fine.

Whatever.

It's totally fine.

Holy shit.

And also, topics can do that too.

Reddit.

Sin Reddit.

So

February 6th, Tara Osborne received a message from Janelle's Facebook account, which read, I'm not sure what I did, but I have not done anything.

I'm not sure why you took me off your friends, but I'd like to know why.

We have never had any issues.

Whoa.

She responded, Tara Osborne, quote, hey, it's not anything you've done.

Yeah.

It's not you.

It's me.

We're not going to go for this right now.

She said, I'm making my Facebook close friends and family and didn't see the point in having people as friends if I did not talk to them.

Don't take it to heart.

Didn't mean anything by it.

Okay.

So Janelle responded, oh, okay, that's fine, sweetie.

I was making sure I did not think I did, dot, dot, dot, I did anything wrong at all.

I just didn't understand.

That is great and fine, and I can understand.

Thank you for getting back to me.

It took a lot.

I took a lot off of mine, too, but it was for the best.

You know, I do the same thing.

Yeah.

Remember when that was an insult?

Oh, God.

Remember when people would get the app that would tell you when someone unfriended?

You're like, who cares?

Who gives a fuck?

I take great joy in unfriending as many people as I can every day.

We have, both of us have like thousands of Facebook requests.

I'll just fill you the fuck.

You're gone.

Fill you right in with somebody else.

Bye.

See ya.

Don't care.

So many people.

I see one post that's this much off.

Bye.

See ya.

I don't give a fuck about this.

I don't like your shit.

Not going to see you post shit.

I don't know you.

That's it.

Goodbye.

So

if you gave me a request and I accepted it, then we're not friends anymore.

You fucked up.

You did something.

You did something I didn't want to watch anymore.

You did something I didn't want to be a part of.

That's what that is.

So anyway, so she goes on to say, thank you for getting back to me.

You're so sweet.

Take care.

God bless Janelle.

Okay.

Following this interaction,

this Tara Osborne received another message from Janelle through Facebook accusing her of harassment and phone calls and messing with Janelle's mailbox.

Oh,

so that's a collateral crime.

That's a lot.

Osborne called Janelle and denied her accusation.

She's like, okay, we're beyond messaging now.

I got to call you.

Yeah.

She further told Janelle, she said, listen, this is the reason why I actually unfriended you.

I was trying to be nice, but now you want the truth.

I'll give you the truth.

She said that she was, quote, tired of her drama and her bullcrap that Janelle was posting about everybody and everybody else knowing that it wasn't true.

You're a shitstir.

I don't need it on my page.

Janelle then told Tara Osborne to leave her alone, claiming that

Osborne was affecting Janelle's health.

Okay.

So then at that point, following that, Tara Osborne received receives several more phone calls from or related to Janelle, basically.

In one call in March or April of 2011, it was from a male caller using a voice disguiser.

She gets like a hostage ransom fucking call.

The caller told her that she needed to leave Janelle alone and to, quote, stop the harassment, the phone calls, the vandalism, and the stalking.

Oh.

Osborne denied she'd participated in any of that conduct.

And the caller accused her of here, you know, I didn't, and told the caller that she would be taking this to the sheriff's department.

This is getting out of hand.

The next day, she went to the sheriff's department and was directed to Safe Haven, where she filed for an order of protection.

And the order was later dismissed, however, because of the lack of statutorily required relationship between the parties.

Yeah, except for

a online relationship.

We don't know each other.

But that's crazy.

A stranger could pick you out of a crowd and decide they want to fuck with you, and you can't get a restraining order because you don't know each other?

That's the weirdest shit I've ever heard.

I think it's because

there has to be some sort of perceived opportunity of violence.

I was wondering if it's there has to be like places that they would normally be that they can't because you can't.

That's the perceived relation of violence.

That's all I'm saying.

I was saying violence, just even of to say to stay away and not be

because of the opportunity of not being in the same place for violence.

That's what the order of protection is for.

Yeah, I guess.

I mean, I think that's a good idea.

There's also got to be proof that there was line.

There doesn't have to be.

There has to be, I guess, first a relationship between them before.

And then the rest of it.

So she didn't meet the first requirement, which is.

Facebook friends is not a relationship.

Which is weird, though, because if some dude on Facebook wanted to stalk some chick and that's happened.

It's certainly possible.

They've probably changed the rules since then based on social media.

I mean, there's certainly some sort of internet thing, right?

Because it lost.

It has to be.

Because in 2010, they didn't know how to deal with social media yet.

Facebook just happened.

Instagram didn't fucking exist yet.

Twitter just happened.

Now, with the

uprise of children playing gaming online, they're fucking sending the SWAT team to people in Philadelphia.

This dude lives in fucking Tucson.

You know what I mean?

Because he beat you in Sniper Elite.

Yeah.

And that's insane.

And now the fucking actual snipers just killed the 12-year-old.

So what the fuck?

Yeah.

Oh, man.

So March 3rd, 2011, Barbara writing to Chris.

Bud was wondering.

Now he's not even Buddy.

He's just Bud.

Bud.

Bud was wondering when he would be contacted to meet and pick up his ID you spoke of some time ago.

He is actually wondering if there is an ID or not.

March 2nd, 2011, Barbara to Chris.

They are watching our house all the time.

They threw stuff on the roof, yard, etc.

Grrr.

I'm not strong enough to fight back yet, but I will be at some point.

Bud is angry.

Four exclamation points.

Oh, boy.

March 3rd, Barbie to Chris.

We are tired of all this shit, Chris.

Seven years is seven years.

Too many, and it's going to have to be over.

You're welcome to shoot any of them, but let Christine's body be found.

We have life insurance on her, so we might as well collect it.

Oh, my God.

Kill Christine?

Kill my daughter, but make sure to leave her somewhere where she's found because otherwise we won't get that life insurance that we've been paying for.

Lay her out on the side of an interstate because we need her for her.

Wow.

That's remarkable.

Holy shit.

Yeah, exactly.

Then says, thanks for fighting for Bud and the ID.

It's time for the talk to be over.

He is ready for action.

You know what I mean.

He can leave me now and do whatever they want.

Okay.

April 5th, Chris to Barbara.

They better not ever put either of you in jail.

Buddy was, quote, in the computer.

They can look him up, and he comes up CIA so he can be called for anything.

Okay.

Okay.

April 2011, Barbie to Chris.

Buddy doesn't threaten.

He does.

You know, LOL, they need to back off.

Buddy is so 6-0s mad, and I'm 100% behind whatever happens.

Maybe Bud will have his ID by then and can use CIA guns, etc.

CIA guns?

They're on CIA guns.

Yeah.

Got to have the special CIA guns.

They shoot lasers and, you know,

they shoot like a web out like Spider-Man.

It just holds you.

It's wild.

Wow.

CIA guns, et cetera, for his protection get the jobs done.

You know, they all need to go and the ones left need to be given a big scare as they watch and wonder, am I next?

Okay.

Let's murder a giant group of people while terrorizing them the whole time as well.

Excellent.

And leave people to to wonder.

By the way, have you left my dead daughter splayed somewhere publicly yet?

Because that would help too.

You could use the money.

Wow.

April 16th, 2011.

Chris to Barbie.

Next is Lindsay.

And remember, Lindsay was two different Lindsay, so I'm not sure which one.

Next is Lindsay and Billie Gene and Billy.

And then cops I want to get.

I will kill them.

Cops too?

Cops too.

Absolutely because they haven't done anything for Janelle.

Right.

Or for them or for whatever.

April 21st, email.

Apparently

this is an email

that is supposed to be from the Thomas lady, that person, Miss Thomas, who is, I can't remember what her first name is.

No, that's Osborne.

Right.

There's so many.

It says, your ass is mine.

You're an effing bitch.

Remember that I can get you and will.

Your daddy can't do shit to me.

I'm above the law, dumb fucking bitch.

Okay.

Okay.

April 27, 2011, Barb to Chris.

It's amazing.

Can we just make sure that we, this is fucking out of control now.

This is insane.

These are adults.

These are 60-something-year-old people.

This is so stupid.

So we have 60-something-year-old people, 30-something-year-old people, a CIA agent, or many, I don't know, all these different people mixed into the fucking mix.

This is so out of control already.

This is so fucking stupid.

Someone needs to just step in and go, hey, stop.

Stop it.

Now,

that guy will smack the shit out of you right now.

Hold up like the back of the hand, you know.

As soon as somebody said,

no good bitch whore,

stop it.

Stop it.

It's all over.

That is a non-default insult.

Knock it off.

We're all going a little far now.

No good bitch whore.

Knock it off.

Whore slut was the one I liked the best.

Horse slut.

So

this is April 27th.

This is the, I can't can't believe you and Barbara were, you and Janelle were born on the same day and same minute and all that.

April 27th, Chris's response:

well, buddy can kill them

before they will, so no worries there.

She needs her butt kicked good and left and maybe run over in a bullet in her head.

Then she would be a deadpan whore face bitch.

Deadpan whore face bitch.

Whoarface bitch.

Deadpan.

Deadpan face, I guess.

Deadpan whore face.

She's very funny.

She does great deadpan.

She does her shit real

straight.

Real straight face, but she's also a whore face bitch.

This is wild.

This is Jason Bateman delivery on Emma.

Oh, man.

April 30th, 2011, Janelle's Facebook.

Yeah.

She says, but it came out they don't like me because I'm smart and I'm very pretty.

And the cops are mad because they go up there and lie, and then they come to me and ask me things, and now they have stopped because dad went up there and kicked their butts.

Okay.

I don't know what that means, but apparently the cops are mad because at those people, because those people are just lying about her, saying that she's sending them crazy messages.

May 1st, 1st, or 5th.

I'm sorry, 1st.

You know, that day.

May 1st.

May 1st.

May the 1st be with you.

May the 1st be with.

Wow.

May 5th, 2011.

In a message from Janelle to mom dated May 5th, Janelle stated that they were using Bill's cell phone and that they were being hateful fuckers tonight.

I assume they mean Billy.

Janelle stated that nothing scared her and that she guessed she just needed to shoot her four times in the fucking head and a few others and then she'll be gone.

Why are there

so much gunplay threat?

Jesus Christ.

Well, that's so much threat of killing.

They skipped right over.

Let's meet at the fucking piggly wiggly parking lot and fucking hash this out with each other.

Let's talk about it.

Yeah, I'll punch you right in your pregnant stomach.

Or even to fight about it.

I'm not talking about let's meet for coffee.

I'm talking even if they wanted to be completely immature and be like, let's meet and throw down, it's better than this.

Let's threaten gunplay for a year.

It's 2011 already.

This started.

Shoot her four times in the face.

In the face.

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Wow, Chris to Barr, Mail, May 10th, 2011.

Wow.

I wish I knew someone that would kill her while I'm here.

But if you want to kill her and nothing will be asked for sure, I mean a missing person is a missing person.

That's Chris telling to Barb.

Like, I am busy right now.

I'd kill her if I had the time.

But if you guys want to just kill her, it's no sweat.

You know, no one else.

I'm just kidding.

Yeah.

Do it later.

Missing person is a missing person.

So 2011, the Billies have a little Billy.

Okay.

They have a son that they do not name Billy.

Thank you.

Good for them.

It's either Trevor or Travis.

It's said many ways and in many different places.

Something with a T, not a B.

That's good.

Okay.

Now,

okay.

Janelle,

by the way, when the Billies complain that they're victims of online harassment by Janelle and her family, Janelle says bullshit, as we've seen.

She claimed she was the one who was bullied on Facebook.

And she told her parents that her friends threatened to rape her,

made constant prank phone calls, and drove past their house just to intimidate her.

Remember, she was saying they're pulling in the driveway, Barbara said.

People are getting, we're getting mad.

Janelle told her parents that these people were jealous of her because she was, quote, too pretty.

I'm too hot.

I'm just that other chipmunk looking bitch.

She's just jealous of me.

She literally says that, though, that Billie Jean is not as pretty as me, so she's jealous.

So that's why they sent her cruel messages on Facebook.

She said that Billie Jean was behind the attacks because Billie Jean is jealous of her looks and knows that Billy really wants to fuck Janelle and that Billie Jean is just a consolation prize who fucks deer and bears.

Yeah, and bears and shit.

Yeah.

You know, Janelle just retaliates.

At one point, she says that she wished on Facebook that Billy and Billie Jean and that damn baby would die.

Good God.

The baby, too.

Wow.

So while this is all going on, in the midst of all of this,

is Billy basically they unfriend Janelle on Facebook.

Right.

That's what precipitated all of this, was they unfriended her.

Had enough.

And we know if you unfriend her, she wants to know fucking why.

Now, Janelle has her own version of the whole unfriending incident.

Oh.

She says she wasn't upset that they unfriended her because she said, quote, I think that we did that to each other.

I unfriended them.

They unfriended me.

You can't do that.

You can't.

Only one person unfriends.

So you can't do it to each other.

Though she said, I did Bill first, and then I think Billy did me after, and I unfriended her.

Okay.

I don't think you can do that.

You can't.

No.

Okay.

So the threat gets worse here.

Chris starts sending messages to Buddy and Barb

around this time

saying, look, you guys, keep an eye on fucking Janelle because I have some here.

I heard something.

Yeah.

That Billie is a drug dealer.

Oh.

And Billie Jean is way worse of a person.

She's a mess and does all these different things.

She's a drug dealer, and she's a fucking...

She's a whore face.

Yeah.

Apparently, according to this fucking other shit.

And saying that both of them, though, were plotting.

to have Janelle raped and killed,

and they want to have her head cut off.

Yeah, he's a drug dealer, and she's an al-Qaeda.

Yes, that's how it works.

She is

Jesus Christ.

She is definitely a member of ISIS, and he's straight-up terrorist,

and he's a drug dealer.

So that's how this goes.

So watch out.

They're looking for a rape beheading here.

So,

okay, June 1st here, 2011.

This is mom barb to Chris.

If you come back, do you have plans, she says, like talked about before

for her especially and for others especially, I think, and for others.

I hope they will let you do what needs to be done and Bud is ready to help you.

Though he needs an ID, he says in this town, they only look at the computer.

He has thought and thought of ways and is ready, just needs another guy.

Yeah, so he needs a CIA batch because everybody knows if the police pull you over and you go, oh, CIA,

by all means, please go kill anybody.

You might as well show him one of those sovereign citizen cards.

Please kill everyone in town.

Oh, you're here to kill people in our town.

Yeah, please, by all means.

I'm sorry.

I didn't mean to be in your way, sir.

James Vaughn has a license for it.

It's obviously.

It's right next to these guys.

He's like driver's license, diner's club card.

I got my master card.

Oh, there it is.

There's my license to kill.

There it is.

There we go.

He just needs the IT.

I know I have to get it updated.

The picture's kind of faded, but it should still scan.

It should scan just fine, I think, right?

It should be fine.

It just needs the just needs the id so june 30th 2011 chris to barbie quote he would kill her if he had someone else he said meaning billy i think uh but yes i think that if he and buddy oh no this is he would do someone else he'd kill billie jean if he could

somebody yeah but i think that if he and and uh he and buddy would meet it would be a good thing I guess this is some other CIA person he's talking about.

He knows some people that would help him, but he said trusting someone, someone, you know.

He doesn't want anyone to talk.

I have

had it.

I don't know what that means and seen it for, no, head it and seen it for myself.

Heard it.

Yes, heard it and seen it for myself.

I got a ride of two and no one cared nor asked anything, LOL.

You can get away with it.

She needs to be killed and Billie Jean.

I don't care if I killed...

And Billie, she needs to be killed and Billie Jean, and I don't care if I killed that baby and her because she's going to make it into her.

Whoa, okay.

So Barbie says, no, I don't think anyone would really mess with Buddy.

No one has seen, quote, the other side of him, not in this town.

He's trained to rock and roll, you know.

The time will

the guy with chronic pain and PTSD.

PTSD, but rock and roll never forgets, as we know from Bob Seeger.

So, you know.

He wants to rock and roll all night long.

Yeah, that'll forget.

Oh, my God.

She says the time will come and

he thinks, and he has thought it out.

I'm glad that Jamie is really mad.

And if he feels like Bud, they may take care of some things pretty good.

Now she's back on board with Jamie.

If he's going to help Bud kill people now.

This is crazy.

Okay.

Summer of 2011, Janelle Lindsey Potter.

This is Janelle sending Lindsey Potter a private message that says, quote, I'm not trying to be mean, but your so-called friends are still coming after me and I'm never left alone and they have done a lot to my house and to my family and I'm not mean, but I'm getting there.

I put that pic of them on once for a few friends to see who they were and I took it down.

Do you think they are mean?

Yes.

Do I think you are fooled?

Yes.

Do you need to be careful who you're friends with?

Maybe it's not because I'm from here, but I'm sick of this crap.

I think she means it.

Maybe it's because I'm not from here, but I'm sick of this crap and it needs to stop.

They need to grow up and live their life like I'm living mine.

I'm sickening in the hospital more than I'm at home, and this needs to stop.

I hope you don't think I'm being mean, but that's about time I take up for myself and say what I think for once.

She said, I'm not being mean like eight times, like a nine-year-old.

Well, she's being mean.

Well, she's being very mean.

Damn near quoted, too, Pac.

I'm not a killer, but don't push me.

Don't fuck with me.

Yeah, exactly.

I've never done that.

Wow.

I'm 30 and I act more grown up than most people.

I've been through too much to let them get to me.

Oh, boy.

Jesus Christ.

So the potter, Lindsey Potter, said, sorry that you're sick, but have you actually seen them doing this or are you just assuming because you want it to be them?

I honestly don't believe that they're bothering you.

They have much better things to do than worry about you.

Billie Jean just had a baby, so why in the hell would she be so out to get you?

I think the best thing for you to do is to drop it, keep your mouth shut, and move on.

If they're bothering you, then they'll see it isn't working and they'll quit.

Right.

All this is good advice, by the way.

Yes.

It's great advice.

Fuck off.

That's it.

Lindsay seems level-headed.

It's totally just like a sane person.

The first adult we've encountered in this fucking story so far.

Besides maybe the Billies, but

we don't know enough about them.

So

Janelle then responded, hi, Lindsay.

No, I know what they are doing and I know other people that have seen it too, but I was not going to write you back.

But what made me so mad is you think I want it to be them?

Yes, a whore and living with guys and sleeping around and drinking and smoking.

Yeah, right.

I love who I am and I have a good life.

I'm 30 years old.

They can't grow up and they don't even have jobs and they lie.

And I'm so not like that.

I don't care that she had her baby.

I feel bad for it with a mother like her.

I hope maybe it can go to a better home, but the thing is, like I say, I know who I am and I love who I am and I'm not from here and I'm smart.

People down here never seem to do anything with their lives other than pick and excuse me, hurt people.

I'm not like that.

I'm a nice girl.

Okay.

And I'm doing the best I can.

My health is no one's business, I guess.

But yes, it's bad.

But I'm grateful for every day that God gives me.

So maybe you should think before you talk.

Yeah.

And I'm hot.

So leave me alone.

I'm super tall and hot.

Don't you know shit?

Right.

So Lindsay responds, you don't seem very smart to me.

Ah!

Ah!

Lindsey.

You don't seem very smart to me, but that's my opinion into each their own.

All right, I like Lindsay so far.

No one is perfect, and I'm positive you're definitely not.

My advice to you really is to drop it.

And you say you're 30 years old.

This doesn't seem like a smart 30-year-old behavior to me.

Okay.

To me, smart one.

She called her smart one.

Okay.

Then in the final message, Janelle wrote, quote, well, I think they really need to stop their damn games.

As far as me being smart, it's kind of funny.

I got a 4.0 out of high school and I'm still smarter than you girls.

Then this is the graceless.

I don't like you anymore.

That's something a seven-year-old say to each other.

I don't like you anymore.

She wrote that.

She wrote, I don't like you anymore.

I got a 4.0 in high school i don't like you anymore i don't like you anymore 12 years ago they said i was smart well it gets even better amongst 18 year olds i was smart amongst just you know

then she says i thought you were nice but you are not

so i don't like you and you're mean

Then she says and wow you're dumb for everything is right in front of you.

Let me guess you do drugs with them.

Well,

I will block you and never never talk to you again.

I think you are no good.

Rich whores is

what you three are, and you need to get over yourselves.

Rich whores.

Rich whores.

Okay.

Holy shit.

Wow.

This, this is, she's Billy, Lindsay Thomas was Billie Jean's best friend.

That's how

she got in the mix.

So she's not going to take Janelle's side over her best friend.

No.

She had just got this Lindsey Thomas just got a Facebook friend request from Janelle in 2011, accepted it because they had some mutual friends.

And then quickly started getting negative comments about her and about Billie Jean and all this shit.

Holy shit.

This is crazy.

I don't even know what to say here.

So then there's an incident while pumping gas.

Okay.

The Thomas woman that we couldn't figure out who that was.

The Thomas woman.

I don't know.

We got Lindsay Potter and Lindsay.

No, Lindsay Thomas.

It is Lindsey Thomas.

Okay.

Now,

the way this goes on,

I guess there were phone calls where Janelle would tell Lindsey Thomas to leave her alone, but during other calls, Janelle would just breathe into the phone and not speak.

Remember, we talked about that?

Yeah.

Yeah.

And that she didn't know it was.

Janelle because Janelle's home phone number would be displayed.

She knew it was Janelle because of the caller ID.

Anyway,

this is all still going on, this phone harassment shit.

Remember, she took it to court and all this.

She's playing on the phone.

Now, while all this was pending, one time Billie Jean was pumping gas at a convenience store when here comes Barb and Janelle.

Yeah.

Okay.

See, in a town this small, you're going to run into people.

You can't avoid them.

Getting gas.

Getting gas.

So Barb and Janelle blocked her car,

Billie Jean's car, by positioning their car at the bumper of her car so she couldn't leave.

Right.

Then Barb and Janelle screamed at Billie Jean and told her that she did not deserve to be a mother and that she should, quote, not have been given a child.

Okay.

And you fuck deer.

Did I mention that?

You bare fucking deer son.

Who face?

You deadpan bitch.

Deadpan whoreface, bitch whore slut.

Oh my God.

So people that were around saw Billie Jean was crying and visibly shaken and offered to call the police because these two women just started harassing her.

But then when those people came up, that's when Barb and Janelle left the parking lot and went up toward, up quote, up the road toward Mountain City.

Okay.

August 4th, 2011.

This is interesting here.

We're going to talk about some topics posts and an email from Janelle's account.

And then there's going to be murder coming up real soon here.

So

August 4th, 2011, an email from Janelle's email account was sent to Jamie's email account with the subject line RE me.

R-E-Me as in reply.

I'm sorry.

Start that over.

Oh, okay.

R-E-Me as in reply to an email about me?

I think it's, yeah,

in regards to me.

So

the content of the email appeared to be more topics postings that began on August 1st.

The participants were Dan White and Matt Potter, with one from Mike Dunn and another one from Brandon Eisenhower.

Hour.

Eisenhower.

The general

breadth of these was that these posts were very similar to prior posts, although now the threats of violence are escalated.

Oh, boy.

Mike Dunn posted, I'm about to fight with you, Billie Gene Hayworth.

Why don't you shut your fucking month, you bitch?

I think he knew his mouth, but

shut your fucking month, bitch.

One day, girl, you are going to get beat up really good and left for dead.

You better shut up, you bitch.

Go fuck a cow for all I care.

I thought she fucked deer and bear.

Now she's fucking cows too and trees.

She's taking all commerce, man.

Wow.

Damn, hooker slut bag whore.

What?

Hooker slut bag whore.

Jesus.

Okay.

And your bastard baby.

Take it with you and leave this fucking town.

You won't leave here alive.

What is going on?

Holy shit.

So Matt Potter posted in response, damn, Mike, what she do, go after your wife?

Damn, I think we just need to gut her and leave her for dead and kill the damn fucking whore.

And then he said

to

Billie Gene, you're a fucking no-good person and your day is coming.

And somehow spelled coming wrong.

Two M's?

C-O-M-E-I-N-G.

Wow.

And then, um, and then Dan White posted, I hope about this is Billie Jean,

Lindsey Thomas, and others here.

I hope you all get raped and killed for what you did.

Me too.

Jesus Christ.

Yeah, at this point, whatever.

October 9th, 2011, email.

Okay, this is apparently

from Lindsay.

Yeah.

You're a fucking bitch, and your fucking ass is going to jail and Billy is going to kill you.

He has said that, and I hope he does.

None of us want you around nor living.

You are nothing.

Okay.

Billy and Billie Jean have had enough of this shit.

This is

absolutely ridiculous.

Lindsay's saying that.

October 22nd, 2011, Janelle posts about being hospitalized after going to court and claims that they said we hope she dies as she was leaving the courtroom.

Who fucking cares?

Who gives a shit?

If you're not in 10th grade, who cares?

You don't have to.

I hope I die.

Oh, yeah.

You don't have to go to English class with any of these people.

Who cares?

Who gives a shit?

Who fucking cares?

You know how you can get back at them?

Wake up tomorrow.

That's it.

Wake up.

Move out of this town.

How about that?

Get out.

Jesus Christ.

She posted, they want me dead.

October 25th, 2011, Chris to Jamie.

Okay.

Here we go.

Chris to her boyfriend Jamie.

CIA Chris to Janelle's boyfriend.

Jamie was getting text messages messages from Chris too.

And Jamie's

relationship with Chris is growing as well and all that kind of thing.

Through this, Chris said, yes, man, I'm with you 100%.

She loves you so much and misses you a lot.

I know she is not fine.

Look at the poor thing.

And it's sad that they're doing this to her life.

October 27th, 2011, Chris to Jamie.

I know you've taken up for her and her family and her.

Okay.

It means a lot to me.

These girls are just driving her so crazy.

You know they are crazy.

With you and buddy, I hope you can all get them.

I hope it all works out great.

You're going to help the town.

Wish I could kill them, but right now I really can't.

I got so much going on at the office, buried in paperwork.

I'd love to kill this brand new mother.

Yeah.

And maybe her baby too, but I'm just, I'm up to here in paperwork.

I'm still trying to get dad's ID.

I'm getting IDs.

I know she's she's a whore face, slut, bitch, skank, fucking dear cow, fucking deadpan.

You know.

Okay.

October 31st, Chris to Jamie.

I can't say everything.

Now you can't talk all of a sudden.

But Lindsey Thomas and Billy and Billie Jean are going to get their payback for what they're doing to Janelle.

Or November 1st, next day.

Barbara to Jamie.

I know they think that I'm a little sweet lady who wouldn't do anything but just smile and be nice to them, never carry a gun, but they are dead wrong.

I hide my anger and readiness well.

My dad and buddy have trained me well.

Oh, God.

November 1st, Matt Potter posts on topics, making numerous references, hoping the victims and her friends and all of their friends would fucking die and go to hell.

Jesus.

November 10th, Chris to Jamie.

I can't wait for you and Buddy and us to do our jobs.

November 16th,

Barbara to Jamie.

I just wanted to tell you that I looked at your Facebook account.

JackWright94 at yahoo.com is your email, and your password is Mexall.

Oh.

Okay.

I did write to Chris earlier and tell him never to use last names on Facebook, but the ones he wrote in the other night already has, he already has deleted anyway.

But anyway, it's Chris that is putting their whole names on, not Janelle.

Okay.

November 21st, 2011, Janelle on her Facebook adds people to her family on there

and lists both Chris and Matt Potter as her brothers.

Oh, okay.

They're her brothers because they take up for her on topics.

And they're named Potter, so why not?

Why not?

November 23rd, 2011, Barbara to Jamie.

They're trying to kill Janelle little by little, but doctor says at this rate, it could happen any time with heart attack/slash stroke,

DKA itself, that she is getting it too often now and the stress has to stop.

By the way, if you talk/slash text with Chris, ask him if he thinks the CIA will back up Buddy if he takes it into his own hands.

What are you talking about?

What are they going to do?

November 30th, 2011 is court.

This is where Billie Gene testifies against Janelle

when Lindsey Thomas's phone phone harassment

charge is tried here.

After court, the general sessions judge dismissed the case.

After court, Buddy, Barb, Janelle, and Jamie, who had attended court there, went to a convenience store located

around here to have lunch.

While they were eating, Billie Jean and Osborne came in there.

Tara Osborne came in the store, then walked out.

Okay.

They

said when the Potters and Jamie exited the store, Billy pulled up in the parking lot.

Okay.

Billy got out of his car and began angrily, quote, hollering at the Potters.

As

Billy and Buddy hollered and yelled at one another, Jamie just left.

Okay.

Okay.

December 6, 2011, Barbara to Chris, quote, so the victims may as well accept the loss and go on with their lives.

Be they

with their lives, be they are not going to get Janelle.

There is no way.

Between our heavy quantities of ammo and protection of her at all times

and your alls, they're going to get the surprise of their life.

If someone wants to bring it on, they will all die, including the baby.

This bitch has a bloodlust to kill this baby.

I'm kidding.

She hates the baby.

Barb hates this baby.

So much.

Wow.

She says, so if you think that it will be different, that it will be in a week or so, things will be happening.

We are thinking different sooner and are ready.

We will see.

It may be sooner than anyone thinks.

We want peace, and no one here wants to kill anyone, but we will.

Bud is so 5-0s ready.

We all are.

We are ready to take care of this ourselves, especially Bud and Jamie are super ready all the time.

I will kill two if I have to.

Not just hurt, but kill.

Wow.

December 12th, Chris says, but round three is Billy wants to hurt Janelle or just yell at her.

He has not made his mind up.

They are wanting to hurt her for many reasons.

Then Barb responds, anyone who wants to mess with Janelle or with us is asking to die.

Yeah.

Obviously.

Begging.

December 14th, Jamie to Barb.

I hoped Billy and Billie Jean and Lindsay will get what's coming to them.

December 14th, Chris,

this is Chris posting on Janelle's Facebook.

Yeah.

So using her Facebook.

To Bill Payne, Billie Jean Hayworth, Lindsey Thomas, and Tara and Brad Osborne, and etc.

This is all caps, by the way.

Yeah.

Please Lev Janelle alone.

Not leave, Lev.

Janelle alone and stop with the harassment because all of you are just a bunch of white trash, no good, ugly people.

Or you can just go jump off a mountain for all I care.

You all need to get out of my sister's life.

Okay.

Okay.

So,

December 16th, this is Barb to Chris.

What are your feelings if someone was found with a hole in them somewhere in a car?

Have you done this?

Would they check it out or not?

No, they usually just tow that car, smash it, and pretend the body wasn't even there.

They never look into that.

If you do it, that's part of the rules.

They'll look into people with holes in their heads unless they're found in a car.

Then all bets are off.

This body's got a hole in it.

Yeah, but is it in a car?

It is.

It's out of our jurisdiction.

What do you want from me?

You got to call the DMV if you want anything done with that.

I don't know what to tell you.

There's a long line.

You got to take a number.

It's all afternoon.

It's too much, man.

Okay.

This is fucking bonkers.

January 14th, 2012.

Barb on Janelle's page complaining about evil people and asking, may God have mercy on their souls.

January 14th on Janelle's Facebook.

She says, I'm sick of hearing they want me dead, and Lindsay wants to kick my butt.

It's never going to happen.

I'm never alone, and my dad carries guns and my mom, so they just need to back off.

January 6th.

This woman moved here five years.

That's what I mean.

They're new.

Well, over 10.

How new?

Christine moved there in 2009, but it's been less than 10 years.

It's a wow.

January 16th, she emails to herself links.

Can God forgive a murderer from the Christian news.

Oh,

then links to Billy Graham questions about forgiveness and murder on AOL search results.

Billy Graham.

Billy Graham, another Billy in this fucking mix.

January 30th, 2012.

Here we go.

Barbara calls Jamie and invites him to the Parker or the Potter residence to work on the computer.

While there, Buddy came into the computer room and asked Jamie if he would do him a favor.

Buddy asked Jamie to take him down next to Billy's, let him out, and then go down the road and come back and pick him up.

Okay.

Go down the road a piece.

Make a Geoey.

I'll be on the side of the road waiting on you.

I'll be waiting.

But he didn't specify a time or date.

So now Janelle and Barb were not in the room when this favor was asked for.

When Jamie got back to his house, Janelle called him on his home phone and told him that Buddy needed Jamie's help to do something.

He's like, yeah, already told me.

Got it.

Jamie told Janelle that he wanted to work on his computer.

This guy just nothing but fixing computers.

And maybe all these people have like a 2002 Dell that's like just all fucked up by now.

Maybe that's the problem.

Take out the motherboard, put a new one in, it's all fine.

Fix it all up here.

He wanted to, this is amazing.

He wanted to work on his computer and he needed to hang up so he could use his phone line.

He's got dial-up in 2012.

Ah, Jesus Christ.

But there's a lot of rural areas.

There are still millions of people that use dial-up to

day right now because the infrastructure has not gotten there yet.

We've had no Tennessee Valley authority for internet like we had for electricity.

Long road, man.

Long fucking road, babe.

So there you go.

This is interesting.

So they...

He said, yeah, I got to do that.

Jamie then received a text message.

You shouldn't be getting text messages and talking about your modem at the same time.

that's crazy he he got a text message from janelle's cell phone that said quote i would not take your cell phone with you in the morning love okay

so this is all that goes on january 31st 2012

1 47 a.m so the beginning of january 31st phone call between jamie and janelle 18 minutes long

2.21 a.m janelle to jamie in a text indicating she wanted to talk for just a little.

2.30 a.m., Janelle sends to Jamie, I love you.

I would not take your cell with you in the morning, and then love at the end.

Then Janelle to Jamie at 4.25 a.m., did buddy get the phone?

Okay, 4.26 a.m., Janelle to Jamie, shit, call back.

4.36 a.m., Janelle to Jamie,

is leaving now.

The front door open and closed.

4.38 a.m., Janelle to Jamie.

Yes, he's leaving now.

I hear the car.

I love you, baby.

4.39 a.m., Janelle to Jamie.

I love you.

He took off.

Love you.

4.40 a.m., Janelle to Jamie.

I love you.

Text me back when you get back.

Okay.

6.20 a.m.

at

Paw Bill's house.

Yeah.

Billy and Billie Jean's house.

Bradley Osborne, let's get another person in the mix here.

He usually left his house about 6.20 to drive to Billy Payne's house to pick him up to Carpool for work.

Sure.

This day, January 31st, he waited outside the house for a few minutes, but Billy didn't come outside.

Paw Bill had already left for work.

He's gone.

So

this Bradley Osborne, now, I don't know if he's related to the other Osborne or not.

Probably.

Who the fuck knows at this?

I assume everyone's related in some way here.

So he said he went to the sliding glass door that was seldom locked and he opened it and stuck his head in and called out for Billy.

Yo, Billy, where are you at?

You know?

So

he had knocked on the door.

So then he knocks a little more.

Nobody comes.

So then he walks into the house through the slide door, the side sliding glass door.

He can hear an alarm clock ringing and he calls out from the living room again multiple times and gets no response.

So then he went to a telephone, the home phone in the living room and called Billy's cell phone trying to wake him up.

Sure.

He thought that he heard a baby whimper, but he was unsure.

So he said he didn't go down to the bedrooms out of respect.

You know, you want to walk in on

Billie Jean with her ass out.

Yeah.

And didn't think anything unusual.

He just left and went to work and think, oh, shit, everyone overslept here.

I got to go to work, though.

I'm not going to be.

I'm not going to be late.

So then Linda and Roy Stevens, let's introduce them.

They went to get their mail at about 10, 10 a.m.

They are former neighbors of Billie and Billie Jean who had moved out, and they still get mail sometimes.

Billy and Billie Jean pick it up, they put it on a shelf for him, and he comes to pick it up every week or so.

So

now

Roy Stevens noticed that Billy and Billie Jean's vehicles were at the, they were there.

So he knocked and entered the unlocked sliding glass door.

Everyone feels real comfortable just walking these people's house.

Really amazing.

Never do this in my house, everybody.

If you do in mine, you better scream, don't shoot.

In my house, you better scream, where are the fucking dogs?

You're about to get met by.

Frankie, be a good girl.

Yeah, you're about to get met by like 300 pounds of dog.

Enjoy.

You better bring milk bones.

Good luck.

They'll still eat your arm about it.

They'll eat you.

Yeah, Frankie would put the milk bone down, eat you, then eat the milk bone.

Hold on a minute.

I'm going to murder you first.

Yeah.

Exactly.

So once inside, Roy Stevens said he, quote, hollered, but received no response.

He continued to call out as he walked down the hallway toward the bedrooms.

When he looked into the first bedroom, he found Billy.

Oh.

That's good, but it's not good because Billy is lying on his back in bed.

And Roy sees blood near the doorway and blood on Billy's neck.

Oh, no.

He He hollered at, he said, Billy, Billy, and approached him and grabbed him by the arm to see if he could wake him up.

Oh, boy.

But he doesn't respond.

So he, Roy runs out of the house and tells his wife, call 911 because Billy's dead.

Yeah.

Now, rather than call 911, Linda is trained in CPR, so she rushes into the residence to try to help him, which is pretty cool of her.

That's great.

She found Billy.

She said he was very stiff and ice cold, and his face looked as if it had been beaten.

It's over.

She attempted to find a pulse in his neck and realized that his throat had been cut.

Oh my god.

Yeah, she stuck her hand like in the wound.

Jesus.

She then used a phone in the living room to call 911.

But during that, there's some stuff that's happening here.

While his wife, while Linda's on the phone with 911, Roy hears a noise coming from the second bedroom.

He enters the bedroom and finds Billie Jean.

She's on the floor clutching a seven-month-old child in her arms.

There is blood everywhere.

Oh God.

The baby appears to be breathing and asleep.

Wow.

Billie Jean though is not breathing.

And Roy could see a hole in her head.

So they pick the Linda grabs the baby, finds no injuries on the baby.

Wow.

Baby's fine.

Then checked Billie Jean Jean for a pulse and said that she was lying with a pool of blood at the top of her head and observed fragments of her hair and stuff on the carpet.

Jesus God.

Brain matter and viscera.

It's not good.

She had no pulse and was very deceased.

She had been shot in the face

in the baby's nursery while cradling the baby.

The baby.

While holding a seven-month-old baby.

Wow.

The baby was covered in blood, by the way, obviously.

So he's completely unharmed, though.

Fine physically.

Fascinating.

She calls 911 and says, hello, I need an ambulance.

Bad.

I would say so.

Bad.

Bad.

The operator said, quote, honey, I need a name.

How?

How southern.

Eastern time.

Honey, I need a name.

Yeah.

Linda said, there's a baby involved.

He don't look right.

He's in one room and she's in another by the playpen.

It kind of looks like she was trying to get to her baby.

But there's, because some people said she was clutching and then she said she wasn't.

So I I don't know if Roy picked the baby out of her arms first, and she didn't know this on the phone with 911 yet, possibly.

She said, it's bad, please.

Okay, what's going on?

Oh, my God.

Oh, no.

No, there's no C on neither one of them.

And they're white, and their kid, the baby's here now.

The baby is not crying.

He's awake.

He's awake.

Oh, God.

They said, you want to attempt to do CPR on any one of them?

And Linda said, you can tell by looking at them, their faces, they're swelled, they're black and blue, they've been beaten, they're both dead, it's too late.

Oh, boy.

So the police arrive, and the

agent in charge of all this, he's a Tennessee Bureau of Investigation special agent, Scott Lott.

Scott Lott.

Scott Lott.

Nice.

Good lord.

He said it takes a cold-blooded person to shoot someone holding an infant.

True.

Yeah.

I would say so.

So the autopsies are performed.

They were killed with no defensive wounds.

Really?

Billy's cause of death was a gunshot wound to the face and his throat was cut.

Jesus.

That's wild.

They said they thought the gunshot occurred first and then the throat, just overkill.

Billy Jean's cause of death was gunshot wound to the head.

Okay.

10-11 p.m., Janelle emails Jamie's phone and says, I've been, baby, are you okay?

And like, buddy said, come over and talk.

Okay, I love you so much.

I love you so much, baby.

He said you were sick, so I left you alone.

Okay, now

the investigators, the chief deputy Woodward here and Agent Lott here,

they said that they learned very quickly their only known enemies were the Potter family.

That's all they have.

So right away, they're going to start with the Potter family.

And they start looking at social media of everybody and shit like that.

They're like, Jesus Christ, this is insane.

They get some witnesses here.

A guy named J.D.

Weinbarger says that Buddy had made threats against Billy Payne before the murders that he knew of.

A guy named Calvin Williams and a guy named Matthew Richardson, both friends of Billy,

said that Billy dealt drugs and had interactions with the Potters before.

you know, a year ago or so, and kind of helped fill them in on some stuff that Billy had told them and shit like that.

So they know that the Potter family and Jamie Kurd had trouble with this family, so they want to interview all of them, obviously.

You know, Buddy, Barb, Janelle, and Jamie.

So they do.

They speak to the Potters at their home the day after the killings.

In this interview, the Potter family said they were shocked by the deaths.

They also said, well, they said, well, you don't seem, you seem to hate these people.

You're probably thrilled they're dead.

And they said, we didn't write any of that shit.

Our social media accounts were hacked.

Oh.

People have been fucking with us too.

Like, we're victims here, too.

I don't know who's been doing this, but we got hacked.

None of this shit's what we said.

So, yeah, they said they denied any knowledge of anything.

The only thing we know about the murders is what we saw on TV.

We don't know anything.

But she did tell the investigators, Janelle did, that the victims had been, quote, harassing the living crap out of her.

Right.

So, yeah, she said that, you know, I went rock climbing with them at first, and we did all this stuff.

And she said that Billie Jean did not go rock climbing and that Billy was dating someone else at the time and all this.

And so that's how this all happened.

Janelle said that she attended a party one time at Billy's residence with

the Tracy, but that the drinking and drug use and weapons present at the party made her uncomfortable.

So she ended up sitting out in the car in the driveway.

And Janelle, that's good.

Janelle later told the Greenwell lady that she would never go to another party at Billy's residence, and Buddy stated that one of the guns Janelle described as being at the party was an AK-47.

Jesus.

She's not needed for a party, probably.

Janelle said her problems with the Billies began when their friend Lindsey Thomas cussed her out at the grocery store for using a food stamp card.

Okay.

How dare you?

Janelle said that after this incident, they made up three Facebooks of me using my picture.

And she claimed they hacked into her social media accounts and harassed her.

She said Barb also said that they hacked in and they threatened Janelle saying, we want you dead.

Barb said that Lindsey Thomas made a fake Facebook account and used the Facebook account to tell Janelle, I'll stomp your fucking ass.

Barb also recounted that Buddy caught, quote, them trying to put sugar in the gas tanks.

Oh.

and that they scratched Buddy's truck, broke the garage door, and threw rocks at the house and Janelle's Janelle's window.

This is all very 14-year-olds.

Neighborhood bullshit.

Yeah.

Like Halloween mischief night bullshit.

It's so dumb.

Janelle said that she eventually went to court over the claims that she was harassing Lindsay.

And she said after one court date, she had to be carried out of the courtroom by Buddy and Jamie due to illness.

And that while she was being carried out, Billy Gene and Tara Osborne and Lindsay Thomas told her, I hope you die.

So the investigators asked Janelle why the victims and their friends were harassing her.

And she said, quote, it came out to be a jealousy thing.

They said I was too pretty, that I wasn't from here, so I was never going to be accepted.

I'm too pretty.

That's like a guy going, they said my dick was just too big.

They said it was just too big, and they didn't feel comfortable just being around me.

They were like, ah, fuck this big dick, motherfucker, and they hate me.

Big fans of Ike Clanton talking about, I hope you die.

I hope you die.

Janelle also told them that one of the victim's male friends had threatened to rape her.

She said that she almost died due to the stress caused by the situation and explained that she had heart problems

and that the victims and their friends had known that she would get very sick under stress.

Oh boy.

She also said that Billy had run his mouth about Buddy and Jamie selling drugs.

as well, saying they were selling drugs.

We're not selling drugs.

You're selling drugs.

She said that Billy was upset with Jamie because Jamie went to court with the Potters on Janelle's behalf rather than his behalf because they were friends.

Barb also said that Billy had talked about having a gang.

Billy ran a gang, which he claimed was, quote, bigger than MS-13.

Oh, really?

Obviously.

I mean, yeah, you know, there's only 2,600 people in the whole town.

If every member of, if every person in town was a member of your gang, you'd still come up short.

But sorry.

There's only 13 people in MS-13.

That's why there's a lot of people.

There's only 13.

Like, I got like 15 friends.

Buddy said that he didn't go to bed until 6.30 or 7 a.m.

because he had to watch over Janelle and Barb.

Janelle said that Billy had parked his truck, wow, by their house and shot a gun at the house.

God, geez.

She said that Billy also shot a gun at Jamie's trailer.

Buddy said that he believed that Billy had been shooting over the Potter residence because he found no bullet holes in the structure.

Janelle said that she ended up in the hospital after Billy shot at their house.

She said that Billy told her, I'm going to kill you.

I'm going to get you at some point.

Janelle denied ever posting anything negative on the internet about the victims.

She said that she had only asked Billy, Billie Jean, and Lindsey Thomas to leave her alone.

When asked if she wished that the victims, if she wished them dead online, she said, no, no, I'm not that mean.

I just tell people to leave me alone.

She said, not only am I too pretty, they're upset that I prevailed in the court case.

Yeah.

They had to watch my sweet ass walking out of that court, Victoria.

Yeah.

She said, though, that she'd been hacked.

They made up three profiles using her photograph, and that she knew they would kill her parents to get to her.

Buddy denied that Jamie was even in a relationship with Janelle.

Oh.

He said, they're not in love.

That's my computer mechanic.

Yeah.

She said, because isn't Jamie in love with Janelle?

And he was like, no.

No.

He said the matter had been, quote, straightened out a long time ago.

Straightened out.

Now, I don't know if they mean that the matter of them fighting online or Jamie and Janelle.

I'm not sure.

About a week after, so that goes by.

They interview them.

They give them nothing.

The Potter family gives them nothing.

They have nothing to go on.

So they leave.

What are they going to do?

So about a week later, they call Jamie in.

They think Jamie might be the weak link.

Jamie might be the dummy.

Well, he's not related to them.

So they might have a tight bond.

Sure.

Jamie might want to see the light of day someday if he's involved in this.

So

they get him in there.

And this time he's got a different story.

Because the first time he's like, I don't know nothing about nothing, man.

Now he says, yeah, I was at the house around that time.

I mean, I was there, but I didn't do anything.

I was at the scene, but I didn't do anything.

Don't say that.

He said, buddy's the one that shot them.

Okay.

Yeah.

That was easy.

Jamie said that, yeah, I mean, they were in there, and Buddy told me that when Billie Jean ran out of the bedroom, he blocked her in the front hallway.

Buddy did did to kill her.

He then,

they don't even know if they believe Jamie at this point because they still think he did it and he's trying to pin it on the father.

So they go, Will you take a polygraph examination?

He says, Sure, hook me up.

I'll do whatever you want.

This old man in bad health blocked people and shot them in the face.

Went in there on a murder spree.

Yeah.

So during the interview, Jamie asks Agent Lott, Is the CIA here?

Yeah.

So So this guy was, Agent Lott was like, what?

Why are he talking about CIA?

He goes, I don't know what you're talking about.

He said, none of the investigators had mentioned the CIA during any interview.

Like, we didn't bring it up.

Where the hell's the CIA come into this?

So he didn't get it.

So he said, well, yeah, I'm asking because Buddy told me that he was with the CIA and that he was hoping the CIA had his back.

And, you know, he had Chris on his side.

You're going to bail me out of this.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Justify the homicide.

But but what they go, but so you had a contact with an FBI agent?

He goes, yeah, Chris.

Yeah.

And then he goes, but I don't know if he was real.

Oh, Jamie.

Jamie said that.

He goes, well, I mean, I thought Chris was real.

I mean, I thought there was

someone that I was talking to there.

And Janelle, the way she would talk to me, it was like, you know, a bonding family thing.

And it's like all a lie.

Oh, Jamie, you're so dumb.

He said that he'd been been texting with a man named Chris who told him about the CIA and doing all that, and that his job was to protect Janelle at all times.

They didn't get it, though.

So he admitted to participation.

He implicates Buddy.

Yeah.

And then they go, would you call Buddy for us and get him to talk some shit?

So he goes, all right, I guess.

So Agent Lott asks him to call.

He instructs Jamie to ask Buddy what he had done with the gun and knife used during the murders.

Yeah.

So they record this call, obviously.

It's February 6th, 2012, in the early morning hours of February 7th.

And

later on, they're going to play it.

They say he answered the phone.

Barb answered the phone and spoke with Jamie for a few minutes.

Barb referenced receiving an email sent by Chris that indicated that Jamie had been arrested.

So

Barb asked Jamie if he had taken a lie detector test and whether he passed it.

Buddy then spoke with Jamie.

Jamie asked Buddy if he got rid of everything from Bill's, and Buddy responded, uh-huh.

Jamie then said, okay, that makes me feel a lot better.

And Buddy said, yeah.

Yeah.

So,

yeah.

So anyway, that's how that goes.

Now, in this call, Buddy told Jamie that no reason existed for anyone to point the fingers at you, at Jamie,

just because Bill was pulling the shit he did.

Don't worry about it.

Now, what the fuck actually happened?

Let's find out.

In the early morning hours of January 31st, Jamie's home phone rang.

By the time he got to the phone, it stopped ringing.

Caller ID showed the phone call came from the Potter residence.

Janelle then sent a text message telling him was trying to call him and saying call back.

Remember the call back one?

Jamie called Buddy and Buddy asked if Jamie could do that favor for him that morning.

That favor.

Jamie agreed to help Buddy.

So then Janelle sent Jamie a text message that said, Daddy's leaving.

Remember, he's pulling out of the driveway.

I love you, I love you, I love you.

Buddy arrived at Jamie's residence while it was still dark outside.

He got into Buddy's vehicle, and Buddy drove to the parking lot of a church near Billy and Billie Jean's house.

When they pulled in.

Yeah, when they pulled in, Jamie asked Buddy how far down he was supposed to drive, but Buddy said that Jamie may not have to go.

Jamie and Buddy sat in the church parking lot and waited for Paw Bill to leave the residence.

Yeah.

After Paw Bill, guys named Paw Bill have lots of guns on them, too.

It's a frightening man.

They carry like

a double-barrel shotgun.

Just walking down the street, Paw Bill.

They carry like a double-barrel 44 that nobody's ever seen.

They made it themselves.

Yeah, they just welded two together.

So after Pa left for work,

Jamie and Buddy walked across a field toward the residence.

Once there, they walked behind a shed behind the residence.

Jamie told Buddy that if Billy saw them, all hell was going to break loose, and Buddy handed Jamie a gun.

Jamie told him that he could not kill anyone, and Buddy responded that he just needed Jamie to stand at that door.

Don't worry, CIA's going to do that.

Don't worry about it.

Ah, we got you covered.

So they walked around the shed and entered the residence through the back sliding glass door.

Three different sets of people in here.

Just locked the fucking door.

All this is solid.

Unbelievable.

Jamie stood at the door while Buddy went down the hallway and entered the first bedroom.

Jamie heard Billy say, what the hell,

and Billie Jean ran out of the bedroom and further down the hallway.

Then Jamie heard a gunshot.

Moments later, Buddy came out of the bedroom and looked at Jamie.

Jamie pointed down the hallway in the direction of Billie Jean, and Buddy proceeded down the hall.

So where'd she go?

Jamie looked inside the first bedroom and saw Billy lying on the bed.

Jamie then heard another gunshot, and he ran out of the residence and back across the field to the vehicle.

He gave the gun back to Buddy when Buddy returned to the vehicle and then Buddy dropped Jamie off at the end of his driveway.

He got out of the vehicle, he says, and walked across the road and threw up.

Jamie said.

I'm surprised he held it that long.

I wouldn't have taken me that long.

He then went to,

I guess, his mother's trailer, somebody's trailer here, because he didn't want to be alone.

He told this person, whoever it is, his mother, his sister, somebody, that he had received a text message from Chris and that the problem was over.

So, you know, he said, so yeah, that's what happened.

So the cops basically, as soon as he's done, they get in the car and head over to the Potter residence to go a searching and arresting as well.

Yeah.

So they arrest Marvin, Buddy, at his home.

They said during the arrest, Buddy made a quick motion toward his side where they found a loaded.45 caliber holster in his right hip.

Oh, my God.

But he thought better of it and didn't do anything.

So they subdued him without resistance.

They described him as cooperative, though the arrest team had been warned that he's usually armed with numerous firearms and has them all over the house, too.

So watch out.

And he grabs them fast.

Yeah.

No shit.

A search of the Potter home led to the discovery of an arsenal of weapons,

although none of them matched the murder weapon.

At Marvin's truck, there were bags and bags of shredded, printed-out emails between Chris and the Potter family.

Why is it printed?

So Buddy can read it because he doesn't get on the the computer.

They print the shit out for Buddy.

Yep.

Oh, my God.

Idiots.

So they were reconstructed because even when they're shredded, if you have enough time and enough manpower, you spend all day putting that shit back together.

A little bit of tape.

They got around 100 pages of emails for deciphering.

Jesus.

Which confirmed Jamie's story about the CIA operative, Chris, because they were like, he's pulling this Chris guy out of his ass.

But then they got all the things.

They're like, no, they're not.

No, he's not.

It's true.

So this Chris kept encouraging them to act on their, you know, their actions and to get rid of these two before they could act on their sinister plan to attack and kill and murder everybody.

So cut her head off and raped the whore slut bitch face, deadpan, skank bitch, whore.

Did I mention whore?

She's a whore.

They mention whore a lot.

Yeah.

Authorities also found ripped up photos of Billy and Billie Jean with salacious and hateful remarks written across them.

What?

Yeah, like fuck these people and all that kind of crap.

During the raid and his arrest, Buddy said to the police, ever since all this crap started, I've had my life threatened.

My wife's life has been threatened.

They threatened to take Janelle and cut off her head.

They analyze the family computer and they discover hundreds of emails that Chris sent to Buddy and Barbara that all came from the same IP address, which is the Potter's home.

It's coming from inside the house.

It sure in the fuck is.

It's coming from your asshole daughter.

Yep.

The grammatical and spelling mistakes in Chris's emails matched Janelle's pattern of speech.

Jesus Christ, she's led the up.

She made this person up.

She made up Chris, the CIA operative, and made up this whole thing and sent all these emails and had a web of all the.

She disabled my ass.

How did they believe she's a manipulative lunatic?

There's a man out there born at the same time as me, you guys.

And I've known him.

I don't know how you guys didn't know me.

He's our manager.

How did you not know him?

Wow.

is remarkable so who the was she basing chris on chris was based on a guy named chris uh tahaden

who was a constable from delaware who went to high school with janelle oh boy

he said he only vaguely remembered janelle but Apparently, she had been obsessed with him for years and like looking at his social media and all that kind of thing.

She used photos of him she found online to create the fake Facebook profile she made to fuck with her parents.

Wow.

Now this Chris guy, the real Chris, said he was kind of amused by the whole thing because he's like, what the fuck?

I mean, we've had quite a few laughs today, but still.

The district attorney showed him photo after photo on emails, supposedly from him.

And each time he answered, nope, not me.

Not me.

Not me.

Yeah, he said that, you know, he only vaguely remembered.

He barely remembered her.

He said they had occasionally spoken, but I haven't talked to her since 2000 when we graduated.

Yeah.

So that's interesting.

Then they find that the bullets recovered from Buddy's truck were two different brands.

All were.38-caliber lead bullets.

He said

all the bullets had scratches or tool marks on the side that he referred to as a poor man's hollow point.

Oh, he's because he's carving them up to have them explode.

Yep, he's doing his own hollow point.

He's fucking cheap ammo.

Jesus Christ.

They interview Buddy, interrogate him for three hours.

He initially denied any involvement, claimed he was home until 6 a.m.

that morning.

Then he was confronted with the recorded phone call that Jamie made to him, and he said, all right, fine.

Yeah.

I did it.

Yeah.

I fucking did it.

He said, but Janelle and Barb don't have any idea what I did.

Okay.

He called Barb, and on the call, Buddy told Barber that he was involved and that he did it.

Oh.

And he said he did it because of what they tried to do to Janelle.

That's what he said.

So that's what he said.

I did it for those reasons.

Yeah, they said when they, but his later on, they'll say that Barb said that you shouldn't accept this because Buddy didn't know what he was talking about.

Because, quote, when they took him in, they took no oxygen, they took no medication, and they interviewed him for hours.

When his oxygen gets low, he starts saying things that don't make sense or are incorrect.

You know, like I murdered three people, two people.

But did he have oxygen at home when he took a phone call?

Yeah, no shit.

So October 22nd, 2011, October 22nd, some time has gone by here.

Oh, no, that's before.

I'm sorry.

That's pre.

Janelle had posted that she'd become so stressed and her sugar so high while she was in court that she had to be escorted by Jamie and Buddy, if you remember that, saying they want me dead and all that.

Then the posts on everything,

leave my family alone, all that shit.

January 14th, 2012, they saw that Barb posted on Janelle's page complaining about evil people and asking God to have mercy on their souls.

Janelle posting, I'm sick of hearing people wanting me dead, blah, blah, blah.

So that's, it happened January 31st, 2012.

Yeah.

August of 2013.

Oh, boy.

Barbara and Janelle are finally arrested.

Really?

Took that long to piece it all together.

Janelle denies any involvement in anything.

Janelle is charged with two counts of first-degree premeditated murder, one count of conspiracy to commit murder.

Marvin, Buddy, is two counts of first-degree premeditated murder.

And Barb gets the same as Janelle.

So one count of conspiracy.

And Jamie is charged as well, obviously, here.

Murder and conspiracy.

Yeah.

So now,

Buddy's psychiatrist said that hypoxia and hearing loss may have impaired his judgment and comprehension during the police interview.

So you really can't take anything he said in there seriously.

He had no oxygen and he doesn't hear so well.

Yeah, he said, he thought they said dill like a pickle.

And he was like, I love dills.

I did it.

Yeah, I ate it.

He's like, oh, kill.

I didn't kill nobody.

No.

So late 2013 is Buddy's trial

here.

And

basically,

they're trying to, his strategy is

nobody here was involved in anything.

She said their lawyers argue that Janelle's intellect is that of an eight or nine-year-old, and she's not capable of putting together such a complicated, sophisticated

her insults are, but yeah.

The real Chris testifies.

Oh, awesome.

He comes in.

Here's a quote from a courtroom attendee.

The second Chris comes in, her eyes were just drawn to him and would not leave, meaning Janelle.

As he testified, her eyes were fixed on him.

They remember Janelle being, he said he remembered Janelle as being very strange, but had no idea she'd been obsessed with him.

He said, quote, she was, you know, one of those kids that is very strange.

Yeah.

So the verdict, they have overwhelming.

I mean, her fucking accomplished confessed.

It's over.

They find him guilty.

Buddy gets found.

He is sentenced to, you sir.

May fuck off.

Two life sentences for

Billy's or for Buddy.

Yeah, he's in his late 60s.

He's not going anywhere.

Jamie then goes to trial, and during the beginning of his trial,

he ends up pleading guilty.

They offer him a deal, and he takes it.

Yeah, he's already admitted it, for Christ's sake.

Pled guilty to facilitation of first-degree murder, and he receives Yusa, may fuck off, 25 years in prison.

Okay.

May 2015.

Janelle and Barbara are tried together at the same time.

Oh, yes, mother-daughter murder trial.

You do not see that very often.

That's pretty wild.

Mother-daughter sitting at the defense table together.

Wow.

Now, the special agent Scott Lott said that the women were the masterminds of all this shit.

They were manipulating everybody here.

They believed that Janelle pretended to be Chris and used a false identity to fool her parents.

But we don't know if Barbara knew or not.

I doubt it because

Barbara was talking to the person.

She asked, Barbara's dumb too.

She asked if you shoot somebody in a car whose jurisdiction.

Yeah, she's real dumb.

I really think that Janelle manipulated all of these people.

I do too.

Yeah.

Like this is all whatever they get, Janelle should get more.

She's very dumb.

Think about this plot to cook up, dude.

This is insanity.

Fuck.

Yeah,

the lawyer said, though, that, you know, she just made her up.

She said, social media allowed Janelle to Potter to be someone that she wasn't.

She invented Chris.

She could assume a different identity and be as hateful as she wanted to be.

That's the prosecutor.

Also told the jury that she's the one who authored all the CIA Chris emails and pointed out the childish writing and misspellings attached with her pattern of speech.

Right.

She said,

This is Agent Lott said, I think they would be called masterminds.

Janelle kind of spurred it.

Barbara got it to happen.

Barbara got buddy good and pissed off and ready to do this, but Barbara thought she she was doing something real, I think.

I think she really thought she was protecting her daughter.

I think she did too.

Yeah.

And I think she thought that the CIA would help because

this is defending our property and our lives.

Yep, our daughter.

The defense's whole defense here, he says this in one of the closings or openings.

My client is not guilty for having an over-protective father.

She's not capable of directing anyone to commit murder.

It's just not in her.

Oh, boy.

Now, Jamie testified.

He told the court he could never have imagined he'd find himself, you know, inside because Billy's his cousin,

by the way.

Jesus, that's right, his first cousin.

He said, I never thought I'd be in my cousin's house acting as a lookout with a gun in my hand while somebody else killed my cousin and his girlfriend.

I never thought I'd be here.

Then they get Lot to break down all the messages, the ones that were known to be drafted by Barb and Janelle.

He said that those documents were used to identify patterns in their writings for comparison with emails sent by their Yahoo and AOL accounts, which sounds like it's from 40 years ago.

Sounds so old to hear that.

They said that he reviewed the Barb's typewritten statement in which she prepared and as well as emails that Christine identified being written by her mother and highlighted patterns in her writings, such as the use of the abbreviation YRS for years.

Oh.

And

the use of the ampersand and T-H-O instead of though and T-H-R-U instead of through frequent use of hyphens dashes and parentheses as well lots of lots of internet speak so basically yeah also they said that barb began many sentences with oh well or anyway and frequently used ellipses additionally she also used b c for the word uh because but a couple times she used b slash c because uh she also used the term hang in there or variations of the phrase got it and they also did the same thing with Janelle.

She would often write and run-on sentences, capitalize words that don't require it, and would spell said S-I-A-D all the time.

Oh, is that for some reason?

Yes.

Like she would break one word, like words into two words.

Outside would be two words with her.

Things like that.

And she began sentences with and a lot, and she would leave E's in place, like leaving would be L-E-A-V-E-I-N-G or coming, C-O-M-E-I-N-G, like we said before.

4.0, huh?

All right.

4.0.

Wow.

That's what she S-A-S-I-A-D anyway.

I don't know.

They're both found guilty

of murder in the first degree and conspiracy.

God damn.

Sentencing comes around.

You ladies

may fuck off.

Now, they merge the conspiracy charge with the murder counts and order double life sentences for both of them to be run concurrently, though.

Now, Janelle wants to appeal, but the trial counsel acknowledged that he filed Janelle's motion for a new trial late and that because of that, her appellate issues except sufficiency of evidence and sentencing were waived because he missed the deadline to properly file her appeal.

That shouldn't be her fault.

No.

She finally does get an appeal.

She said it's community biased.

The county only has 18,000 people.

Everybody's heard of the Facebook murders.

Social media become a breeding ground for public opinion.

You're never going to get a fair trial here.

You talked shit about yourself on topics.

Shut up.

Yeah.

Also, trial counsel failed to properly investigate CIA agent Chris because he doesn't fucking exist.

Sound a real guy.

It's trial strategy, all that.

Anyway,

she's sent back in.

Fuck off.

That's affirmed.

Now, Barbara is actually going to get a new trial because one of her attorneys had a conflict of interest when he represented her because he also had represented Buddy and was continuing to represent him during the appeals process.

So that's a conflict of interest.

Can't do that.

So she gets a new trial, but instead of having a new trial, she pleads guilty.

Really?

Intelligently.

Two counts of facilitation of first-degree murder.

Plea deal for you, ma'am.

They fuck off 25 years.

Okay.

Barbara's defense attorney said she straight up pled guilty.

So she was wanting to accept fault.

Under oath to God, she said, I'm guilty.

I'm responsible.

It was surreal to hear her say that.

Yeah.

So she's going to die in there.

Yeah, totally.

There were rumors, by the way, that also in her trial that there was judicial misconduct because the presiding judge was found to be impaired by drug addiction during the trial.

Whoa.

We'll figure that out.

So anyway, there's been some changes in Tennessee law based on this.

A precedent for handling social media evidence and murder cases, guidelines for managing joint family trials, and the need for specialized digital forensics in rural jurisdictions.

So this is a lot.

Janelle is serving her sentence at the Deborah Johnson Rehabilitation Center in Nashville.

She still says she's innocent.

She's innocent.

And she still insists she's not Chris.

Yeah, and she's the hottest chick on Cell Block 6.

Oh, you know it's so hot.

That's why they all hate her.

That's why they always beat her up in the shower.

Jamie has been denied parole several times.

Oh, fuck.

As I assume he would be.

He was there with a gun, bro.

You're going for one.

He pointed where a woman was.

There's the mother and her baby down there.

In 2016, the lead prosecutor, Brooks, published a book on the case entitled Too Pretty to Live, The Catfishing Murders of East Tennessee.

Jesus.

Good Christ.

That is a lot.

So there you go.

Everybody's in jail.

That's a fucked up case.

How crazy is that case?

What in the fuck, man?

Dude, that is so much.

I just don't even know if the CIA is real anymore.

We don't even know if they're real.

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Who loves you, kid?

Come on.

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Fuck it.

Who treats you better than this?

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Come on.

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Also, you get a shout out at the end of the show, which is right now.

Jimmy, hit me with the names of the people who would never pose as CIA agents and call us whore, bitch, deadpan, slut skanks.

Hit me with them now.

So, Executive Producer, Gary Howard, Connie Smith, Hope Maori, Venaraboon, Povilas, Basivius,

Ginataris, Incus,

and Ikis, Inakis.

I don't know.

Oh, all of them.

Larry Butterfest, Robert Wiley, and his pucker brush.

You guys are the best.

Thank you guys so much for everything you do.

And thanks for all the nice words about my father.

It's been a week, and you guys are really fucking amazing.

So thank you for everything.

You're very nice.

That was nice to see you.

Supportive, helpful, and I'm doing it.

Nice to see you guys supporting my dude here.

I like it.

Other producers this week: Peyton Meadows, Tiffany Hoare, Tia Churchill,

John DeLong,

Carmel Cooper Fitzmaurice,

Happy Hour in Midland, Texas, Cara Whitaker, Janice Hill, FP, Brandon Case, John Kakaris, Kelly Manty, Pizza Sauce, Blair Christensen, Lexi Tomlinson, Alyssa Mellinson, Andrew H., Kristen Leviti, Christina Nicholson, and Kirk.

Jack's kid.

Yeah.

My wife.

Nicholson.

Yeah.

Oh, Nicholson.

Yeah, Nicholson.

I thought you said that.

Then I was like, wait, did you say Nicholas?

No, it's Nicholson.

Either way, it's Jack.

Christina, good for you.

Jules with no last name.

Jennifer

Kuzowitsky Stoner.

I don't know if she is one or if that's a hyphenated name.

Justine Weiss,

Vies, Cam with no last name.

Joel Montgomery, Stapinski 3D, Valentina Kano, Ashley no last name.

Jessica W.

Josu, Josu.

I feel like I know how to pronounce that, and it's Josue.

I think it's Josui.

Major League.

I think it's Josue.

2S is U-E.

Corrales.

Amanda with no last name.

Amy Caputo.

Ellen with no last name.

Chethulu, dude.

Cthulhu.

I don't know how to say that word.

What is it?

Cthulhu?

I don't know what you're talking about.

You know what it is.

You've seen it recently.

C-T-H-U-L-U.

It's that thing with like the fish beard.

Oh, I don't know.

No fucking idea.

I don't know.

It seems to be a true.

I know it exists.

Yeah.

But that's about all I got.

It doesn't really.

I know the word exists.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Anita Shavaridge.

Shavarig.

Shavarigia.

Shaviriga.

Oh.

Yeah.

Garrett Richardson.

Brandon Hansey.

Hayden Six.

Vicki Soy.

Sui.

Amber Aitchili.

Stephanie with no last name.

Karen Theraldson.

Unity FC Soccer Club.

Unity football club.

I don't know if that's a big football club or if it's like a little one and it's like a club soccer.

I don't know.

But Unity,

they like us.

Amber Ward, C.

Yup.

Amy Adams, probably not the actress.

It might be.

You don't know.

It might be.

I don't know.

Jamie Carter.

I don't have money to burn.

She could throw five bucks our way.

Come on, Amy Adams.

What are you waiting for, you lazy bitch?

June Carter's daughter, Jamie.

Mary with no last name.

Brooke Lang, Mutt's kid, obviously.

Mercedes Lapanik, Lepanik, Barbara Higgins, Clayton Love, Karen Guinness.

I want our listeners to make it so their life's goal to make Amy Adams subscribe to our Patreon just for the humor of it.

Every day.

I'm sorry.

Write her all kinds of letters.

You have to send these people $5 because they want just $5.

What's the big deal?

Kristen Amy.

Margo with no last name.

Lori Andrews.

Jarrett Hayes.

Hayes.

Dustin with no last name, not Hayes.

All right, Naomi Windsor, Calder Moe, Kelsey Rogers, Becky with no last name, Morgan would know last name, Carrie with no last name, Morgan Russo, Morgan.

Do I know?

I know her.

Morgan.

Yeah, she's wonderful.

Christine.

How Royd?

How Royd.

Too close.

How do you know?

Adela, Adela Castro,

Alicia Williams, Adam Johnson, Marie Tingle, Tracy Bell, Emily Conrado, Livy, Livy Alexandra Weber,

Weber, perhaps, Robert Gibson, Elizabeth Gatesy, Tanner Hill, Christopher Larson.

Half of the Rock and Roll Express.

Yes.

Sam Richardson, Olivia Wood, Rebecca Trucci, Sam Weir.

Sammy Weir.

I know that guy.

That guy has a sick Corvette, matter of fact.

Well, good for you, Sammy.

He's an older guy, and he likes it.

Thank you for shooting some of that Corvette money this way.

We appreciate it.

Thanks, Sammy.

Aaron S., Jennifer Klotz, Tate Clausen,

Natalie Rabayo, Rebello, perhaps.

Lexi with no last name.

Luke Bartley, Larissa Kelpin, Jeremy Newman, Cindy L., Chris Larkham, G, G, Spotty.

Wow.

Jesse, Jesse Dobler, Rebecca Wirth, Dylan with a Y, Becks with.

Wait, what is this?

Becks the Foley?

I don't know what that means.

B.K., Mo Lester.

Oh, no.

Oh, that's not real.

Stephanie O'Reagan, O'Reagan,

Amy Segway, Segui, Shanna with no last name.

Mallory Rumzek, TJ Allen, Peta Karate.

Karate, and it's not spelled that way.

That's pretty amazing.

That's the coolest last name ever.

Alexandra Boland, Seth Hawkins, Cassidy with no last name.

Nicole Bingham, Anya Smith, Aaron Easter, Riss Avery, Amanda Postel, Kay Sully, Allie Bennett.

Haywood Jablomi, also probably not a real person.

Michael with no last name.

Not sure.

We'll see.

Don Jacobi, Bezara with no last name.

Anna Louisa Abdallah.

Ryan Radmer.

Got two patrons.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.

Who are you?

I imagine that's to be sung.

There are several ways.

The who

can do one.

And also, I think.

Oh, ACDC was who made you.

Aaron Reese, Caitlin Dougherty, Trista Bass or Bass, Elizabeth with no last name.

Jared Reddy or Reedy.

Melissa Nicole H.

Eugene Duffy, Angela L.

L.

C.

P.

L.

Wenslick.

What's an L C P L?

Is that a nurse of some sort?

License.

Sounds like it.

Corporal Punishment.

Practical

lentil

distributors.

Lentils are delicious.

Savannah Malloy, Brandon Jones, Dale Tweeton.

Tanya Hartwich.

Jennifer Childers.

Childers.

It's probably Childers.

Kristen Champ.

Probably.

Jedi's Mom.

Bill Badass.

Oh, like Billy Badass.

Got it.

Jonathan Ray, Stephanie Chadden.

Yeah.

Ginger Mills, Alicia iPad Pro.

I think that she just did that from her iPad.

David Adams, Athena, got a lot of tits.

Olivia Sheridan, Remini Brickett.

Remini Brickett.

That's not real.

Raymond LaRose.

Christy McHale.

Amanda Newman.

Katie Cavanaugh.

Johnny Bosco.

Johnny Bosco.

Oh, okay.

Amanda Goan, Sierra Robinson, Ginny Yancey, maybe Guinea.

It's probably Ginny.

I don't think it's Ginny.

Kathy Sellers, Martinez, Average Joe, Harold McCleskey, Claire with no last name, and anybody that patrons this show, you're the best.

Thank you.

Yes, and before we go back, just also, anybody that was missed in there?

Oh, there's so many more.

We'll get to you.

I know that this isn't all of them because we did a whole new thing with Patreon, so more people signed up.

So you'll get just, you know, in the next couple of weeks, it'll be in there.

Don't you worry about that.

Absolutely.

Thank you so much for doing that, by the way.

So thank you so much, everybody.

You fantastic, wonderful sons of bitches.

We goddamn love you and we appreciate you.

Thanks for all that you do for us.

Honestly, every day, it means the fucking world to us.

It really does.

Tell your friends, keep posting on social media and keep coming back and hanging out with us.

You want to find us on social media, drop-down menu at shutupandgivemeurder.com.

We'll take you where you need to go.

Until next week, everybody, it's been our pleasure.

Go fuck a bear.

Bye.

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