On Deadly Ground - Cabot, Arkansas

This week, in Cabot, Arkansas, a popular real estate agent vanishes while showing a rural home, leading to an investigation that could be a race against time to find her alive.

But the end result is a horror story complete with insane plot and terrible brutality.

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Everybody, let's go on a trip, shall we?

Yeah.

We're going to Arkansas this week here.

We are going to Cabot, Arkansas, C-A-B-O-T, Cabot.

This is in central Arkansas, kind of a suburb of Little Rock here.

It's about 30 minutes.

You said right.

Like, you're like, yeah, I know the Cabot.

I lived in Cabot half my life.

Yeah.

My brother lived lived in Sherwood.

I don't know where that is at all.

It's right outside of Little Rock.

In the area.

Yeah, it's the suburbs.

This is kind of where we're going to stay this whole episode.

It's kind of Little Rock suburbs.

About 30 minutes outside of Little Rock, about two hours to Memphis, and about an hour and a half to Jonesboro, Arkansas.

Our last Arkansas episode, Murdering as a Family.

Which is

that's nice.

You want to do that.

You want to stay together in certain things that you do.

This is in Loanoke County.

L-O-N-O-K-E.

I guess that's

could be Loanoke, Lanoke.

I'm not sure.

What do I know?

Area code 501.

The motto here for this town and, you know, the suburbs of Little Rock, quote, it's all here.

Is it?

All of it, Jimmy.

All the tornadoes.

I know that.

Oh, we'll bring up a tornado.

History of this town.

Whenever we do these dates, you know, there's a tornado coming up in history.

Yeah.

This, the city of Cabot was originally obviously a small settlement around a refueling station on the railroad.

That's all it was, really,

after it bypassed Austin here.

Austin, Oakland, or Austin, Arkansas, which, by the way, before it was Austin, it was Oakland, Arkansas.

Show the places I've been.

Yeah, next it's Oakland.

I'm going to put bumper stickers on my suitcase.

What I do is petition the local government to re-change the name.

I'm also moving over to Pittsburgh, Arkansas pretty soon.

And I'll be Detroit, Arkansas when I'm done with that.

Yeah.

So it first appeared in 1873, and they thought it's named after a railroad executive, which are always the

real that's some culture there.

Some Cabot.

Some dude.

It's George Cabot Ward.

So they just named it.

I don't know why they didn't name it Ward, but that's fine.

It was incorporated in 1891.

It was the 139th city in Arkansas.

Wow, they've got that many?

Yeah, they got a lot more, I assume.

That was in the 1800s.

Jesus, fuck, they got so many counties.

March 29th, 1976, a huge tornado destroyed downtown Cabot.

Here we are,

killed five people, destroyed a shitloadload of buildings, and caused a festival that we'll talk about and things to do as well.

We got the Twister Fest.

Oh, yeah.

Well, no, it was not.

It wasn't celebrating the tornado.

It was

to bring us together as neighbors.

The Twist Festival.

Yeah, the Twistable.

Cabot Twistable.

The population has gone up a ton.

It was in the early 80s, it was 5,000 people here.

Now there's 27,000 people hereabouts.

So

it's really gone up a lot as people have moved out of Little Rock here.

Reviews of this town.

Here we go.

Okay.

Five Stars.

We've never been there.

What do we know?

Never.

Let's find out what the residents think.

Five Stars.

Cabot is a very quaint and safe town.

The schools are amazing, and it is in close proximity to Little Rock and Conway, which are bigger cities.

Oh, oh, Conway.

I got to go to Conway, Arkansas.

Housing is affordable and there is actually quite a bit of places to eat and shop.

Overall, it's a good town and a good place to raise kids.

That's the last time you talked about Conway.

I think we did it on the show.

Yeah, that's what I'm doing.

Yeah, that's what I mean.

I think the show, I've never heard of it otherwise.

Named after Conway Twitty, of course.

That's where they.

Yeah.

Ladies and gentlemen, Conway Twitty.

Conway Twitty.

Three stars.

There is just food and shopping.

That is all there is in Cabot.

I thought it was all here, though.

Right.

What happened?

And literally nothing else.

Don't move here.

So it's houses and strip malls is what they're saying.

Here's another three stars.

I like this one.

Cabot is a very nice place to live.

The public schools are very good.

I never had a problem with the schools.

I like that Cabot has the option to graduate early through the ACE program.

I also love the little strip mall that we have.

Have you ever said,

I love the strip mall that we have?

It has a Marshalls, and that is probably my favorite store ever.

They got a Marshall.

If a Ross comes to that town, her head's going to fucking explode.

Blow her fucking mind.

They got Periolis in that store.

Oh, my goodness, God.

I saw Liz Claiborne.

One star here.

Yeah.

Ugh.

I am not from Cabot.

That's the first issue.

Three years here and still no friends.

Oh.

Then you take to outsiders?

Well, either that or you could be an asshole, also.

You never know.

We don't know.

That's what I'm saying.

I'm the first to blame this sort of thing, but I don't know.

It could be you.

The only thing I have experienced is absolute snooty, stuck-up, fake people.

I traveled to Little Rock for activities and for shopping.

It's like two different worlds.

Okay, so yeah, the small town and the smaller city are still very different.

I've never been so relieved to move, and people who were born and raised here will speak very highly of the town.

But if you're not from here, you will see the town in a whole different view.

You bet.

We don't take kindly to outsiders around here.

People, 26,411 is the current population.

Few

more women than men.

I'm sorry.

It's about 50.8% women.

Median age here, slightly below the national average, about three years.

It's 35.8% here.

So that's pretty low.

Higher marriage rate than normal.

It's about 54% married, which we get in these suburbs outside of these bigger cities.

More people are

married with children here than most places.

Race in this town: 88.9% white, 1.4% black, 1.5% Asian, and 5.7% Hispanic.

Religion here, normally in the rest of the country, 50-50.

Here it's 46.5%, which is lower than I would have thought, honestly.

But the highest one is going to be, it's going to be Baptist.

Yeah, as we know, Baptists are the Catholics of the South, obviously.

They are.

That's pretty much it.

I mean, it's mostly Baptist and a couple other

Christians, 0.0% Jewish.

It's pretty Baptist.

Unemployment rate about average here, maybe slightly below.

Median household income, a little below the national average.

It's $62,654 here.

Yeah.

Like $7,000 less than the national average.

The cost of living here, which is what's important, I guess, in terms of that shit,

is out of 100, which is regular, it's 82 here.

And the housing is the lowest thing of all.

The median home cost here is $211,800,

which is pretty inexpensive.

In Arkansas, as long as you can't insure it.

Yeah, no, no.

The tornadoes will take it.

The Twisters will take it.

In Arkansas, the median home cost is $181, so that's

like

a little less than half a little more than half the average.

So that's

pretty cheap.

And if we've convinced you, damn it, Cabot, Arkansas is the only place for you.

That's where you've got to be.

That Marshalls is calling you.

You're like, I sense deals in the works here.

We have for you the Cabot, Arkansas Real Real Estate Report.

The average two-bedroom rental here goes for about $940 a month.

So

cheap, much about $300 less than the national average.

House number one is a fucking mess.

It's the only way to put it.

Three bedroom, one bath, 1,074 square feet.

It's on about an acre and three quarters of land.

So decent sized land, but I'm going to show you this house right now.

Oh, boy.

It doesn't look like it's like

a grime thing.

It doesn't look like it could be occupied.

It's like where you find a body in an abandoned place.

It's all fucked up.

Look at the inside.

Oh.

It's a mess.

Like, there's just shit piled everywhere.

It's just a disaster.

There's not enough room to survive.

No, it's not with all that shit in there anyway.

Jam all your shit in piles.

Man, that is $74,000 for that thing.

Steep.

I mean, it's almost two acres.

I guess you're really buying the land.

I guess you're buying the land, yeah.

And it says that it is a fixer-upper.

No shit.

You betcha.

The metal roof is three years old.

Oh, is that?

That'll keep you up at night.

And it has central heat and air that don't work.

It says central heat and air non-working exclamation point.

Like that's a selling point.

But it does have a window unit and a wall furnace.

So there is that.

Okay.

And a roof that ain't rusty yet.

Oh, man.

I ain't even rusted yet.

Here is one, a three-bedroom, two-bath, 1,566-square-foot house here.

This is kind of a nice family house.

Oh, yeah.

Kind of flagstone on the outside.

Yeah.

Inside redone.

Flagstone?

Or whatever those stones are.

I don't think it's flagstone, but

other nice wood floors, redone on the inside.

Okay.

Smaller lot.

Not going to get the two acres here.

Yeah, but decently appointed house.

But a much nicer house by far.

$174,000.

Okay.

And that just had a

thousand dollars worth of work.

That just had a price cut of $15,500 yesterday.

So it's on sale, everybody.

A little back, you got it.

And then finally, a five-bedroom, six-bath T-bowl for each and every B-hole, baby.

5,118 square feet.

Now we're talking.

Look at this bad boy.

Ooh, wee.

That's a big house.

Big old house.

Lots of four-car garage.

That looks great.

It's a nice house.

It's goddamn nice.

It's on two acres also.

$820,000 for that.

Well, which is expensive.

10,000 square feet of house.

For Arkansas.

But yeah, if you put that house in that land anywhere else, it would be extremely expensive.

Sure.

Things to do in this town.

Okay.

Let's find out what there is here.

First of all is the Cabot, the Cabot Fest.

in downtown Cabot.

It says largest celebration in town.

And this is the one.

It was established in 1978 to celebrate Cabot's resilience after the tornado.

Yeah.

That's literally what it was for.

And it says it continues to be a symbol of community, spirit, and togetherness.

Yeah.

It offers something for everyone, which I'm not sure about that.

What do you think it offers for me?

What do you think I would like there?

Maybe there's an Italian truck, James.

Yeah, that's what I love.

Italian food from Arkansas.

That's where I go.

In a truck.

In a truck.

I like my food from a truck in Arkansas mainly.

That's where I buy it.

This is fascinating.

This is like that third little pig just gloating.

So it says, get ready to groove to live music from talented artists across different genres.

No mention of who those people are or even the genres.

That's scary.

Take a spin on thrilling carnival rides.

So let a meth addict operate a ride that came out of a truck for your child.

That's perfect.

Explore Explore the vibrant booths showcasing local crafts and unique finds.

So people's handmade shit.

Right.

So local bands, people's handmade shit, and methadics doing a fucking tilt-a-whirl out of a suitcase.

Perfect.

Excellent.

Sounds perfect.

Families can enjoy dedicated entertainment zones for the little one, while everyone can test their skills and maybe their stomachs at the legendary.

I couldn't,

you couldn't guess the next words I'm going to say if I gave you till the end of time.

The end of time, I could guess.

At the legendary cricket spitting contest.

Cricket spitting.

You spit crickets.

Oh, it's not.

No, the crickets, you can't make them spit.

You spit out crickets and see how, I guess, far you can shoot them.

If I gave you till the end of time, would you have guessed cricket spitting contest?

I mean, eventually at at the end of time, I might get

what the fuck kind of mad lip is that?

Cricket spitting contest.

You'd have to give me a clue.

Holy shit.

And then finally, Twisted Nightmares Haunted House is also something to do here.

Seems to be a big deal.

It has good reviews, 4.9 stars out of 134 reviews.

We've done those haunted houses on your stupid opinions, and they usually aren't so

highly rated here.

It's very weird, though.

Look at the picture.

They have like this horrifying looking clown.

Okay, yeah.

There.

Mouth is closed and it's got teeth painted on its face.

And then they have this one.

What the fuck?

That's like real penny-wise.

But it's just smiley, though.

It doesn't even look scary.

It looks happy.

It doesn't have like shitty teeth.

No.

He's just a smoker.

It's just like, it's like Ronald McDonald's got a cousin who's, you know, a little off.

That's what it looks like.

It doesn't look like horror or anything.

No.

But this, it says, this is from a Facebook post in October of 2024 because the Cabot Fest is in October and obviously they're operating in October.

And it says, be out on the lookout tomorrow at Cabot Fest.

We are going to be out there handing out a few free admissions and some buy one, get one, half price slips.

This will only be valid for tomorrow night, 7 p.m.

to 12 a.m.

Cabot Fest special.

So it's all intertwined, the Cabot Fest and the I hope I want to get one half off.

That's funny.

I mean, yeah, we're not going to, I mean, let's not go crazy here.

We're getting given away.

And it is only tonight from 7 till 12.

So if you're at this thing and you decide on the fly, I'm going to go to the haunted house, fine.

Half off of one, but you got to buy two.

Crime rate in this town, what we are interested in here, property crime is slightly above the national average.

And there we go.

And then violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and of course, assault, the amount rushmar of crime is about one-third beneath the national average.

So a little more property crime than anything else here.

That said,

let's get right into this because we got a lot of murder to talk about and some weird stuff.

Okay, let's start out.

September, this is a Thursday, Thursday evening, September 25th, 2014.

So, not very far.

Right, right.

Everything is exactly the same, pretty much.

You have the same phone and the same social media that you still have the same at for and everything else.

Sure.

9 p.m.

Okay.

Now, there's a man named named Carl here, Carl Carter, CC.

Now,

Carl Carter here, he calls 911.

Okay.

And 911 says, what's your emergency?

And Carl Carter Sr.

says, my wife, her car is here.

The door's open, but she's gone.

Please help me.

That's what he says.

Please help me.

Please help me.

My wife, her car is here.

The door's open, but she's gone.

Please help me.

That's what he's saying.

That's his quote.

So police arrive, and it's not at Carl's house, by the way.

Oh?

Police arrive to an empty house, a for-sale home, as a matter of fact.

And

they arrive.

It's 14202 Old River Drive.

And I'll give you some housing stats on that and everything in a little while here.

And he, Carl, is saying that, yes, my wife, Beverly,

is a real estate agent, and this is the house she texted me that she was going to be showing tonight.

Right.

It got to be nine o'clock, and I started to worry about her, so I came over here, and her car's here.

The door's open, but she's not here.

Okay.

Okay, that's his story.

9 p.m.

9 p.m.

She was supposed to show the house around 6.

That was the plan.

So, she's got a brown Cadillac SUV in the driveway.

Purse is on the passenger seat.

Okay.

So, that's interesting.

Credit cards visible in an open purse.

I mean, it's, yeah, if you wanted to rob something, there it is.

The house door is wide open as well.

So now Carl says that he went, because they said, well, what did you do when you got here?

He said, well, the door was wide open.

So I went in and I yelled, Beverly, Beverly.

And, you know, I used my phone.

There's no power, so I used my phone flashlight looking for Beverly, Beverly.

Okay.

He said, I checked every room, even the attic.

Really?

Yeah, which I was like, who the hell climbs up to an attic?

That's wild.

Is it open?

What is it?

No, it's an I mean, it's probably one of those pull-down jobs with the stairs that come down.

I mean, that's to go up there would be wild.

Now, right away, investigators find that his fingerprints are all over the house, Carls.

All over the place.

So they're like, hmm.

You had time to touch everything in the house.

Right.

In the minimal time it took you to go in, look around, and call us.

You had time to touch everything, essentially.

But they're not finding a lot of other fingerprints anywhere.

So they're like, hmm, I don't know about your story there, Carl, but we'll talk about it.

So let's find out some background on Beverly and Carl and see what's going on here.

Now, Beverly was born Beverly Lynn Lowndes, L-O-W-N-E-S.

Later on, she'll be Beverly Carter.

But for now, Beverly Lowndes.

She's born December 20th, 1963.

She was born on the McClellan Air Force Base in Anniston, Alabama, as a matter of fact.

And yeah, she's very,

I mean, she's kind of a middle America kind of a story.

I mean, her dad was in the Air Force and

just kind of a middle-class, normal upbringing.

Anniston, Alabama, huh?

Yeah, which we've covered twice.

She's got PCBs.

She's got all sorts of PCBs.

And a dipshit writing for a local paper as well.

She's got a lot of stuff.

I remember that place.

Oh, we remember it well.

I remember ripping that guy a new asshole and then getting no response, which was fun.

I've got some health issues, this lady.

So Beverly is very friendly and very good at meeting people, very good at...

Gregarious.

She can just go up and talk to somebody and they feel like they've known her forever.

One of those type of people.

Yeah.

The life of the party, but just good at making people feel comfortable and trusting her right away.

She's just that kind of person, which would make sense that you'd be a real estate agent later.

That's kind of the qualities that you need.

You'll move some houses.

You got to move some houses with that personality.

I'd be a terrible real estate agent because I'd be like, here it is.

They'd be like, well, what about this?

You fucking like it or not?

I don't know.

What do you want me to change it?

That's what it is.

This is the house.

Do you like it or not?

You said you wanted these things.

This house has them.

This is how they are not.

You're buying this fucking house.

I've had it with you.

Buy this house or not, asshole.

I'd be the worst real estate agent.

I swear to God.

So by 16,

she got a teenage job and was, she worked at the dairy bar in Texas,

which is an ice cream and hamburger stand.

Got it.

Essentially.

And this is in, you know, like 1972.

So you got to, you know, put it back that, that time period.

So she's, you know, just selling burgers and shit here.

Sure.

That's when she meets old Carl Carter swaggering in, looking for a burger here.

He's three years older than her and is a construction worker.

So an adult, so a 19-year-old construction worker is going to the hamburger shop going, I'm going to get me that teenage girl right there.

Yeah, he's apparently a charming guy.

He's not the most

refined, but charming, has a charm to him.

He'd order the same thing.

Yeah, exactly.

He'd order the same thing every day and always make the same joke, too.

He's that guy.

She'll remember me.

Oh, boy.

That's not going to get old.

He said, I knew I was going to get a wife when I got that hamburger.

That's what he said later on.

I went in looking for a hamburger and a wife.

No Mayo, please, on either.

Thank you.

Pickles on the wife, but no, keep them off the burger.

They have some trouble.

They get married at the courthouse.

No big wedding.

No, you know, none of that, like,

you know, small-town wedding shit, none of that stuff.

No, they just go to the courthouse, and, you know, she didn't even have a wedding dress.

Okay.

They just went dressed in their regular shit, no big reception, nothing.

They just had her, got married.

They had some trouble early on in their marriage.

Carl hit her one time.

Oh, Carl.

And she always says it once he hit her.

He was drunk and he hit her.

And

they got over that.

She believed him when he said he wasn't going to hit her anymore.

And he didn't.

I mean, they were together for 30 more years and he didn't hit her anymore.

Don't know what he was thinking that one time.

It's very rare that someone hits you once and then never again.

Yeah.

Do we know how he hit her?

Was it like a big deal?

Was it another cops?

I guess.

Yeah, I don't know how drunk he was exactly, too.

I mean, I don't know if he was stumbling drunk or what.

It's not that that's an excuse, but I'm just saying I don't know what would make him do it once and not 20 more times is all I was saying.

Maybe he swung at something on accident.

Who the hell knows?

You don't know.

Who knows?

We have no idea.

He cheated on her one time as well.

Oh, really?

He makes every mistake just the once.

These are two things that usually you don't stop doing.

Yeah, right.

Usually they don't stop.

If someone hits you or cheats on you, that's because they're a woman beater or a cheater.

That's only two things.

So it's rare that they do those things once and then learn their lessons.

That's very rare.

She found the guy.

He will gamble all the mortgage money away, but he'll only do it once.

He'll only do it once.

That's the thing.

Whatever he does, he'll do it once.

That's all.

Carl learns lessons.

It's very strange.

I swear I'll never do it again.

Who believes that?

Nobody.

And he actually did.

It's very strange.

Beverly gave him a second chance on that one, too.

And this is, by the way, not while everything is going swimmingly otherwise.

Throughout the beginnings of their marriage, they have no fucking money.

They bounce from trailer to trailer.

I mean, they're a young couple.

They start having kids.

He's got construction jobs.

They're living in trailers.

They'd have to stay with family sometimes so they could just have a place to stay.

It's a rough, it's rough.

So they end up having three sons as well.

Well, that'll help.

That'll help.

And we'll have three kids.

All C names, by the way.

Carl Jr.,

then Christopher in 1984, he's born.

And then Chad is the youngest.

Oh.

So all C's.

Carl, Christopher, Chad.

Run out of Kuhn names.

Yeah.

Switched it up a little with Chad.

Well, I don't want people thinking it's with a K.

Yeah, I don't want people thinking it's weird.

You know.

So 2003, the family suffers some tragedy.

At 19 years old, Christopher dies in a car accident.

Fuck.

Yeah, that's rough.

The middle child.

He's 19?

19 years old.

Yeah.

So now Christopher at 19 already had a wife and a daughter.

Dang, Chris.

Yeah, a daughter named Bailey.

Now Beverly ends up taking in Bailey.

I don't know if the mother couldn't handle it or what, but Beverly ends up being

her granddaughter's

caretaker.

Yeah.

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Raised her, raised her up.

All of her friends say that that messed her up a bit, her kid getting killed in a car accident, which it would mess anybody up.

But she

wouldn't let it hold her down type of thing.

She's going to try to keep progressing in life and all that.

Now, in the early 2000s, she gets her real estate license.

She decides maybe that's something I could get into.

As the kids are getting older, a lot of women, like in their 40s, where their kids are getting older, they go into real estate.

Yeah, they can make their own schedule, and that works very well.

And you can make some money.

My stepmother did that in the early 2000s, and she did very well for a while.

So she gets her license.

She gets it's hard to start, apparently, in real estate.

It's not easy to start because you don't have clients.

You got to know who to call.

And

you use who you used last time, usually.

She was cold calling at first.

I mean, that's want to buy a house?

No.

Okay.

Hello?

You want to buy a house?

No.

Okay.

Carlos, dinner.

I'm only in the

AT part.

In the market.

I got a long way to go.

Anyone in the market there for a house?

No?

Okay.

That's so crazy.

So she had a, it was tough, but she persists and her personality is perfect for real estate.

So she was going to figure it out.

And then she did.

She figured out how to do this and becomes a top salesperson in the company.

Wow.

What company do we know?

It is Cry Leak Realtors.

Okay.

Cry is C-R-Y-E.

Realtors.

It's a North Little Rock.

And she becomes a top salesperson for them.

Top 10 in her office, top five in Arkansas at one point.

Wow.

She once sold $12 million in inventory in a single year, which in Arkansas is like 4,000 houses.

That's like the state capital.

Yeah.

It's like three houses in L.A.

or

150,000 in Arkansas.

One of the two, but that's what she makes.

It's called Conway.

It's pretty much.

But she is known for a big smile, big laugh.

When you see her real estate picture, you're like, that's a real estate agent lady.

Absolutely.

One of her coworkers said she had a big, goofy laugh that just made you smile.

Billboards all over the highway with her face smiling down on them.

She's that real estate agent that everyone in town knows who she is because they know about her billboards.

They're all over the highways.

Now, by 2014, she's 50 years old at this point,

and she decided to make herself over.

Oh.

I don't know if this was to feel good or for her job or whatever whatever it was, but she said, I got to look better on those billboards, man.

Yeah.

She lost 60 pounds.

Wow.

At 50, that's not easy either.

No.

That's tough.

That's dangerous.

She got, she called a mommy makeover.

Got a tummy tuck, got some cosmetic surgery, get the bags under the eyes fixed, whatever, all that shit.

So she got the whole deal.

She started training for marathons at 50.

She's going to run.

Wow.

Her and Carl would go traveling.

They renewed their vows, and they finally had, they had a big wedding and a reception with all their friends because they couldn't afford it when they were 18.

So, I mean,

she is reinventing herself, man.

Good for ladies in her middle-aged life.

Everybody's just like, you go get it, girl.

A guy does this, and it's like, oh, douchebag.

Look at him.

You fucking worried you're going to die.

What's the matter?

Where is that from?

That's from something.

What are you?

Worried you're going to die?

I don't know.

I think it's maybe Burr.

I'm not sure.

It's funny.

What's your problem?

Why are you so concerned with your mortality, you fucking dork?

No, never mind health stuff.

Guys aren't allowed to do anything cosmetic to look any better.

God, no.

Nothing.

I mean, nothing.

We're not allowed to do anything.

It's like, look, are you loser?

What's the matter?

You don't like being a fat, fucking, ugly shit?

The fuck, loser?

What's your problem?

Pussy.

They're like, what are you talking about?

I can't look better.

No,

but it makes me feel better.

What do you fucking have feelings, you pussy?

What the fuck?

Who cares what you think?

That's that's

scared.

Yeah.

That's it.

But we go, that's good for you.

You go, girl.

And it is good for her.

I'm happy for her.

We should be able to do it too as well.

Tell them who runs their life.

Show them.

Whatever.

We should be able to do it too.

That's all I mean.

I don't want them to not be able to.

Yeah.

I just would like us to be able to, you know, maybe do that.

What a a benefit.

Yeah.

So Thursday, September 25th, 2014.

Okay.

Beverly starts out her day very well.

Remember, this is the day we started at 9 o'clock at night.

Beverly that morning wins $50 in an office contest.

All right.

I don't know.

I don't know what the

not sure why, but she liked it.

She won it.

She was laughing and she said, maybe I'll frame it.

My first earned money that isn't commissioned.

Oh.

She was joking.

First money I've ever got.

I didn't have to earn.

So

that day she helped a younger agent with a client that was kind of a pain in the ass, kind of helped guide her through the process.

One of her coworkers forgot their lunch, so she shared her lunch with them.

Oh.

Very nice lady.

She texted Carl that day, having a great day.

Love you with exclamation points.

Not bad.

They've been together like 35 years.

That's pretty.

Pretty good.

Not bad.

Communication of affection.

That's nice.

Not bad.

Exclamation points after 35 years is pretty impressive.

Exclamation affection.

That's nice.

Not even, I love you, dot, dot, dot.

Like, now I'm going to die or, you know, whatever.

I love you, and I do.

So she has a busy day, but she has one last showing at 6 o'clock.

And that is a couple, a Stephen and Crystal Adams, are interested in a property at 1402 or 14202 Old River Drive in Scott, Arkansas, which is a small town of about 70 people

just outside of here.

Yeah, very, very,

very, very small place.

But here's the house here.

I can show you that.

It's a big house, nice house.

Oh, that's interesting.

Yeah, that's those attic window things, huh?

Coming off the front of it.

Exactly, exactly.

So, you know, decent house.

And this is a house that's been on the market for a minute.

And

otherwise, because she didn't want, she had a long day, but she's like, fuck, this thing's been on the market for a while.

I love it.

I'm tired of looking at it.

And there's there's not a lot of interest in it.

And someone's interested in it.

And they said they're cash buyers and, you know, ready to, if they like it, they're going to move quick on it.

So she's like, fuck, I got to do this.

So one of those things you don't feel like it, but you have to.

So she says, I got to six o'clock.

I got to show these people, Stephen and Crystal Adams.

And, you know, she said, there's always a buyer for every house, basically.

And this house, she staged it herself.

She spent her own money on flowers and shit like that.

And yeah, like she was really trying to sell this goddamn house.

Yeah, do all that kind of crap.

So Beverly calls Carl here that day and she said, hey, honey, I've got one more showing.

That couple I mentioned, the Adams, the old, the house on Old River Drive.

I'll grab Mexican food on the way home, my treat, she says.

Uh-huh.

Because I'm going to sell this fucking house.

I'm going to sell this house and I'm going to grab me some fucking carniasada and I'll be on the way home.

I'll be home in a bit.

So she then texts him the address of the home.

As she, every time she does a showing, she texts Carl the address, which is smart.

Yeah, that's what you do.

That's, you know,

Sarah sends me, if she's in an Uber, she sends me a screenshot of what it is and everything so I can hunt the man

and whatever her name Adams ends up being like a real Adams family of

know where I'm at.

Yeah.

Yeah, that'll work there.

That was a, so 9.30 p.m.

That's when Carl Sr.

calls 911, says, what's your emergency?

And my wife is here.

The door's open, but she's gone.

I said police arrive.

He tells his story.

He's got fingerprints all over the fucking house.

That's the story.

So 10 p.m.

to midnight, the police are really going over this place with a fine-tooth comb because it's clear that nobody just leaves their car in the driveway with their purse wide open with all sorts of shit and the house door swinging open too.

It's got to be somewhere nearby.

Yeah.

So

at this point, friends and co-workers start to gather at the scene as well.

And this is like late at night on a Thursday night, but they hear that what happens, so everybody comes here.

Now they notice that dust disturbance, there's some dust disturbance on the floor.

And when they look at it in whatever light you can see, you can see that someone, basically it's a person laid down on the floor.

You can see that.

That's how the dust is disturbed in the shape of a person on the floor.

They also find tire tracks.

on the lawn near the front door.

Oh.

Like somebody backed their car up to the front door on the wall.

Got it.

Yeah, yeah.

That's how that goes.

And neighbors, when they canvass the area, neighbors report seeing a skinny white male with a black car around earlier in the neighborhood.

They don't know if that was, they didn't see them like leaving the house, but they saw him in the neighborhood.

In the neighborhood earlier, a skinny white male with a black car that they haven't seen before.

So 1 a.m.

comes around.

It's now about seven hours since anyone's heard from Beverly at this point,

which is a little bit weird.

And at this point, everybody's texting her too.

I mean, you know that there's some foul play here, just based on the situation.

It's very strange, yeah.

If I see the purse on the front seat, I'm going, some, you know, alien abduction is best case scenario here because this is no one leaves their purse on the front seat.

So

that's what's interesting here.

Now, they're all texting her.

At one point,

Carl gets a text back from her at 1 a.m.

Oh, Carl gets a text back, and it says, sorry, phone being dead, having drinks now.

That's what it says in the text.

It's like she doesn't know that we found her car.

Yeah, like it's, yeah, I'm just out.

I'm having fun.

I'm having drinks.

I don't have my ID or my purse or anything like that.

I'm any money to pay for them, but I'm out having drinks.

They put the house cash right so fast.

We're celebrating.

I've got the front door open and we're having drinks already.

Champagne's a popping.

Yeah.

Right.

Carl knows it's immediately not Beverly.

Number one, because that's ridiculous.

And number two, she never, ever, ever drinks.

She's not, doesn't drink, period.

So she ain't out having drinks.

No.

And also, sorry, phone being dead is a weird thing to say.

Sorry, phone being dead.

It's not her, obviously.

One of Beverly's co-workers also texted her earlier, a little bit earlier, did you leave that red folder on my desk?

Which is real estate code for are you in danger?

Oh.

It's an industry standard thing they all do.

Did you leave that red folder on my desk means are you in danger?

So if someone, if you hear someone saying that, they think you're a creep.

That's what that means.

They think you're a huge fucking creep and a problem.

So

there's no response that this person got.

So the only thing that only one text has been replied to, and that's at 1 a.m.

And that's sorry, phone being dead, having drinks now.

Okay.

And like I said, Carl knows that Beverly never, ever, ever drinks.

So there's something amiss here.

So

by the next morning, this is the biggest story in Arkansas.

Can't be any bigger.

Huge because everyone knows her face.

She is, all you have to say is Beverly Carter from the, and they show the billboards.

Oh, shit, everyone knows who she is.

So

that's a good thing in one way, where if a missing person where everyone knows what she looks like, that's pretty helpful.

You don't need to really distribute flyers.

Just go, look up there.

See that fucking 10-foot-tall picture of that blonde lady?

That's who we're looking for.

Remember when the Empire Glass guy got murdered in Phoenix?

It was crazy.

That was wild.

So it's a big story.

Flyers and TV.

It's on social media.

Hashtag Find Beverly trends.

It's a big deal.

By that morning, there are over 200 volunteers doing search parties that morning.

I mean,

wild.

Real estate offices across the area are closed down that day, and their employees come to help look for Beverly.

They closed ranks.

Yeah.

Well, this is, I mean, if there's somebody out there kidnapping a real estate agent, what are you going to do?

Go show houses today?

That's crazy.

You know, that's a great point.

Yeah, fuck that.

We got to find this shit first.

So all of these volunteers gathered to search by foot.

They got ATVs

everywhere in the area, just scouring.

They question residents to see if anybody sees, has seen anything,

just anything you can do.

So a lot of volunteers gathered at the Stone Links Golf Course in North Little Rock.

They figured that would be the starting point before they would split into groups to get close, basically going closer to the area of that home, closing in from like her office to that home.

somewhere in there and seeing if that's part of it.

One of the realtors who works with Beverly, he coordinated the effort, David Goldstein, and he set up a grid of the area to develop a plan, to search everything we possibly can.

He said,

he said, we expect we will get information today.

My expectation is to find Beverly and to find her okay, but time is of the essence.

So I don't know what evidence he's basing that on, that I feel like we're going to find her.

She'll be okay, but well, that she'll be okay.

The first 48, no one's ever okay.

Oh, great.

Great point.

There is someone's, it's the first 48 because someone wasn't okay.

But the first, in the classroom,

if you don't find them in the first 48, it's a problem.

Or if you don't solve it in the first 48.

Solve it, yeah.

A kidnapping.

If you don't find it like in the first hour, you're in deep shit, basically.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, man, it's why.

Now, Carl is also there, too.

He said that it means everything to me.

Everybody's support, the prayers and emails, the Facebook posts, the sharing, everything.

It just shows that what we give is appreciated and it comes back when we need it.

Now,

the volunteers, they're looking in all the drainage ditches.

They're knocking on doors and every door.

They're looking,

if a bush looks disheveled, they'll go in it.

Like, they're just looking everywhere.

A lot of people just walk the shoulders.

of the U.S.

165 highway, just poking sticks into the tall brush.

Wow.

Just looking for anything as they walk down the highway and also waving big signs with her picture on it as the cars pass by, too, saying missing with her picture.

I have a picture of one of these people doing it.

Deputies respond to reports of several possible leads,

but by midday on Saturday, all of those leads turn out to be bullshit or just dead ends.

Yeah.

One group found a towel along the highway.

Could be from anybody.

Could have flown out a window, out of the back of a pickup truck.

They don't know.

Oh, that's so, yeah, that happens all the time.

Another saw tracks in a field that looked fresh.

Again, you're in rural Arkansas.

Anybody could have taken their ATV out there.

I mean, people drive off the road in Arkansas quite a bit.

So that's not that weird, but they're looking for any little thing here.

One person here, Susan Vought, who worked with her at the real estate office,

said that, you know, she learned of this in the middle of the night.

She got a phone call, and she helped investigators to access Beverly's computer to try to find out who she may have been showing the home to.

You know, so they're looking at it on a digital front, too, and they're looking at tire tracks and everything.

She said

it's just on and on and on trying to find clues.

We're just trying to find clues.

Somebody's going to find her alive.

That's the only call we want.

It's the only one.

It's the only one.

Judging by the name of this show, I don't know if this lady's going to get what she wants.

Let's just say that.

I got news for her.

It's going to be a tough one.

Somebody's not going to end up with this.

No, someone's going to die.

We don't know if it's Beverly, but

somebody's dying.

The real estate community, within 24 hours, immediately starts changing all of their practices in the Little Rock area.

They start using the buddy system.

No going to a house alone to show it to anybody.

Bring another agent with you.

Offices now through the area require preliminary meetings before showings.

You can't just call and say, I want to go look at that house and they go, okay, I'll meet you there.

You've got to go down to the office and fucking talk to them.

They got to get a copy of your driver's license and all that kind of shit.

Then they'll send you out with two real estate agents.

And also self-defense classes in the area.

Enrollments surge 300%

by Saturday afternoon.

Isn't that fascinating?

Human nature is wild.

We're very reactionary.

And we start learning how to find

everything.

About anything and everything.

Yeah, we're totally reactionary.

And this is fascinating, too.

It's like, if you're going to kill one real estate agent, now you have to kill two.

Yeah.

Well, maybe that's a guy.

Yeah, maybe that's a way of getting.

I mean, how else do you get like,

you know,

pretty well-made-up women into an empty house with you if you're a creep?

Yeah.

That's a way to do it, I guess.

I mean,

So here's one thing they look at is,

was Beverly messing around?

Did she have something going on on the side?

Got a little affair going.

Who knows?

You know what I mean?

So one of the investigators told one of her friends, Brenda Rhodes, basically is what happened with Beverly.

Is she seeing anybody on the side?

Is she doing this?

And this person was like, no, absolutely not.

No, Beverly is what you see is what you get.

And this investigator said, everybody has a secret life.

And her friend said, if you knew Beverly, she was an open book.

Okay.

No secret lights, no secret life.

And it's confirmed by the investigation.

They find no dating sites, no deleted history, no secret life.

Just a lady that goes to work, sells houses, and comes home to her husband.

That's it.

That's all she does.

That officer was befuddled.

He's like, oh, I got to stop doing that secret life.

Yeah, Jesus.

Fuck.

I think I just told on myself, this isn't good.

Everybody has a secret life.

Not this one.

Well,

I'm going to stop being an asshole.

Is it just me?

Do I have a secret life?

I've been telling my wife that for years, and she, you know, it's been working out.

I don't understand it.

Holy shit, that's funny.

So all through Saturday, Friday into Saturday, it is just...

hundreds of real estate agents and cops combing the fields and combing Arkansas, looking at tire tracks and trying to find anything, and they have no

idea where she is.

None.

Wow.

Sunday morning comes around.

This is, we're going on, this is, you know, day three of missing now.

This is the whole weekend.

This is bad.

This is when investigators get a break in the case, a little break here.

They're working on the digital end of it, not on the, you know, if this was 1975, they'd have no fucking idea.

Nothing.

They'd have no idea.

But nowadays, though, with the digital trail, they find the names Stephen and Crystal Adams that lead to a text-me account, which is an app.

Okay.

Now it's an anonymous message.

It's like WhatsApp, basically.

It's an anonymous messaging service.

Now,

but they still keep records, though.

Even though it's anonymous, they keep records.

So this trail leads to a phone.

Yes.

Under the phone,

the person who owns the phone is named Crystal Lowry.

Now, remember, it was Stephen and Crystal Adams was the couple.

Crystal Lowry.

So they determined through these records that Beverly

placed a phone call at 3.58 p.m.

on

September 25th to phone number 914, which is New York area code.

That is upstate New York area code, 914.

It used to be Poughkeepsie's area code.

914-206-1776

for approximately 15 minutes and 45 seconds.

So she had a long call.

call.

It's a long call talking about real estate shit.

How many bathrooms you need?

Yep.

Yeah, what's that?

What's this?

So the investigators determined that the phone number, 914-206-1776, returned to TextMe Inc.

So that's not a real, that's not a phone number that's from an actual phone.

That is like a distributed, you know, an anonymous one, basically.

Now,

TextMe Inc.

is a texting and phone application that provides users with free text and voice messages, assigning them a unique phone number.

So it's like getting an IP address.

A Google number, yeah.

Yeah.

So an exigent circumstances request was placed with Text Me Inc., and they provided a report detailing that the actual cell phone number.

See, they thought anonymous meant anonymous.

These people didn't realize that that meant, yeah,

that meant within a fucking subpoena.

Nothing's anonymous.

So they said that phone number, the 914 number, was in fact 501-687-3833, which belonged to Crystal Lowry of 165 Randall Drive in Jacksonville, Arkansas.

Name your cities after anything but the ones that other people have used, please.

Stop it.

Austin, Oakland, Jackson, enough, Arkansas.

Okay.

Further looking into this shows that Beverly Carter's phone records revealed she and whoever the person using 50167-3833 communicated via text messages

and that

she and the per and the person using that number communicated through text messages numerous times.

However, the text message content, they don't have that.

They just know that there was data transactions.

So they also determined that Crystal Lowry has a husband named Aaron Lewis, and together they have a 2014 Black Ford fusion registered to them.

Yeah.

Okay.

Now,

Crystal's husband is Aaron Michael Lewis, and he is born January 13th, 1981.

So he's 33 at this time.

And they look him up, and

turns out he's a skinny white male driving a black car.

Oh, wow.

That's interesting, that Ford Fusion.

He's also on parole at the moment.

Oh.

In Little Rock.

He also has a Daredevil Dirt Bike YouTube channel.

Really?

Where he does dirt bike shit.

I couldn't find it now, but it's, yeah, he had this YouTube channel where he's like, you know, I'm a douchebag.

Look at me.

Watch me break my neck.

And then he goes and does dumb shit.

I don't get those.

So September 28th, the next day, they decide, let's keep an eye on this Aaron Michael Lewis and see what he does.

Yeah.

Maybe he has, because maybe he's the kidnapper, maybe he has Beverly, or maybe he'll lead us to Beverly, basically.

You know, so if we, if we grab him and she's somewhere, he might not tell us and she'll die.

So yeah, they got to play this really,

This is a delicate situation.

You know, what do you do exactly?

A lot of nuance here.

So to figure out what's going on with Aaron and what the best approach is.

By the way, Aaron is A-R-R-O-N.

That's how you speak.

Two R's?

Two R's.

He's like, what is happening?

That is all fucked up.

That's a fine way to find out your mom's dumb.

Oh, well, I was just going to tell you his background.

He hates his mom.

And maybe because she named him Aaron, and he's had to re-spell it all the time.

Nope, not two A's, two R's.

God damn it.

So a little background on Aaron.

They find out that Aaron is born in Ruston, Louisiana, was raised by his parents here.

He said he's the only, he was an only child.

His home life as a kid is described as a bunch of chaos by him.

He expressed a lot of anger toward his family and his upbringing.

He was not happy with it at all.

He said his birth was a mistake and that his mother was often unfaithful to his father, so he didn't even know if he was really his father's.

Who knows, basically, is what he said.

And he stated his mother was an alcoholic, such a drunk that she couldn't spell Aaron,

which is really drunk.

Or she just didn't want to name me after that guy from Stain.

Well, one of the two.

So

he was six years old when his parents separated and the divorce was finalized a couple years later.

He went back and forth between his parents throughout childhood.

They just kind of passed him back and forth.

When he was becoming too much to deal with, somebody else would take him, which is not great for a kid.

Not good stability at all here.

He described himself as an asset to them, basically.

Not like, oh, they need me because I'm an asset, an asset like a piece of property, a piece of something that they'd pass back and forth.

Right.

That somebody pays for, and that's the reason that they have me.

He said, whoever had me got a check from the other person.

That's what it was.

He said, when my needs overwhelmed the check, they would have to cut their losses.

And they go back, and then they'd send them back and forth.

He would never during, as we'll talk about, he's had plenty of criminal interactions with police and in prisons.

He would never, ever answer any questions about whether he was sexually abused during childhood.

Wouldn't ever answer the questions, which tells me that he was probably sexually abused during childhood.

The only reason to not is because of yes, right?

If you ask someone who hasn't been abused, hey, were you abused during childhood, they'd go, no.

No, why?

They wouldn't go, I'm not telling.

Who would say that?

That'd be a crazy thing to say.

I don't want to get anybody in trouble.

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He did say this, though, quote, I believe both my parents deserved to die for how they brought me up.

They were shit parents.

Holy fuck.

Deserve to die.

I mean, my parents are shit too, but if they don't deserve to die, you know, I mean, they were just kind of uninterested.

That's all.

I wasn't,

I'm sure he had it worse, too, from what it sounds like.

He said his parents never engaged in activities with him or brought him anywhere.

I don't know, it's sounding familiar.

He deserved to die.

He described just constant instability throughout his childhood.

He mentioned at one point his parents owned 20 acres of land and a single-wide mobile home on the land before they divorced.

That was the old homestead that was was coming up.

At least there was acreage.

There's acreage.

There was room for a house, just there was no house.

He indicated at one point he was taken away and he moved with his father to Texas at one point after he got taken away from his mother.

He said, though, they returned to Alaska or Arkansas, not Alaska, several months later.

So he went to Texas with his dad.

That didn't work out.

They came back.

He said he was eight years old when his father remarried and he got a stepmother.

He said his stepmother was was all right at first, but then it started to deteriorate their relationship when she attempted to, quote, assert herself as an authority figure.

Oh, fuck.

That he was living with them.

So, I mean, that's tough.

That's such a really difficult role to play.

It's such a hard role to play:

what's too much, what's not enough.

You don't want to ignore the game.

It's tough to find.

Holy shit.

It's hard.

It's what I'm saying.

And stepdad's the same way.

It's such a hard fucking role to fill because it's not defined really by

the initial involvement is I'm here as support for your father, but I'm your friend.

And then it turns into I'm not your friend.

Take out the fucking trash.

And

because after a while, it's yeah, you're more of a parental thing.

It's really hard.

That's a that's a tough role to play.

It's difficult.

So I admire anybody that does it well.

Yeah, yeah, it's hard.

It's not fucking easy at all.

He said that he just didn't fit in to his stepmother's paroting style because it was so different from his father, who was so laid back.

In other words, didn't give a shit at all is really what he means to say.

He said he recalled he lived with his grandparents in Tennessee for some amount of time in the third grade.

And then his mother signed him out of school and brought him to Texas to live with her.

So he went to live with,

yeah, but not.

It's not even custodial kidnapping because she still has custody.

Okay.

Yeah, he was just living with his grandparents because who knows why.

So now he's been back and forth with his dad and back in Texas and Tennessee and then moving.

It's a lot of drama for a kid here.

Then a little while later, after his mom took him to Texas, his mother returned to Louisiana and left him in the care of her boyfriend, of her boyfriend,

not his stepfather, not his real father.

Not her husband.

Not her husband, her boyfriend.

She said, I'm going to Louisiana.

Watch this, will you?

And then handed him over.

So he recalled his father.

He called his father up because he didn't know what else to do.

And his father came and got him.

So then he went back to Tennessee.

Okay,

so this is the time he said that's when behavioral problems started coming about in his life is around now.

And he had behavioral problems beginning during elementary school, which is pretty much right when this is all happening, which I don't know how you wouldn't have behavioral problems in school with all this.

It would be impossible.

That would be a really broken child who would just still be like,

I mean, that's a kid who's just spirit completely broken.

If they just

do whatever he's told, if they have no acting out, yeah, they're dead inside at this point.

So he had all of this.

He would get a lot of small things at first, disrespecting the teachers and, you know, shit that kids do.

He wasn't like burning down the classroom or anything like that.

He would get disciplined or even paddled sometimes back then, which is, you know, in the late 80s in the South, you could still paddle.

Starting to be a not so good thing to do.

No,

I think it was not a good thing to do for about 20, 30 years before that.

But

it takes a while for shit to get to Arkansas.

Society was like, that's not good.

No.

He was prescribed Ritalin in the fourth grade due to difficulty concentrating.

So he had some ADD.

He ran away from home all the time.

His mother was charged with neglect on more than one occasion because he was a runaway and she wasn't even fucking looking for him because she didn't care.

He said, this is a real weird quote that he has here.

During childhood, he said he had a lot of associates but no friends.

Associates.

Who the hell says they have associates when they're nine?

That's my associate.

What a weird thing to say.

This is my associate.

We play Jax together.

Like, what associate?

What are you talking about?

This is my associate.

He has the best Pokemon cards.

Yeah.

This is my associate.

He knows how to get past level 8-4 on Super Mario Bros.

So he's really good at it.

He knows which fucking tubes to go down and shit to not get lost.

Is he that dumb that he just mixed up the word acquaintance and associate?

Because I mean, I think kids, I don't even think any kids said acquaintances until like 14 or 15.

Yeah, no, this is, he's not dumb.

That's the weird part.

He's not a dumb guy at all.

I think this is the way he puts it is a lot of associates.

He said that as an adult.

A lot of associates, but no friends.

Associates?

Okay.

I mean, technically, anyone you associate with is an associate, but sure.

Yeah.

You know, and culturally, we use that word to mean like, you know, like a business partner or, you know, someone you work, like a colleague, basically, associate, colleague, that sort of thing.

Or a joke by a mob boss who says, My son is

associates.

Yeah.

He started

dating, he said, during adolescence, but never had any girlfriends until he was 23.

Ooh.

That is late to have your first girlfriend.

So he also, though, was involved in some advanced classes, actually, and had good grades.

He's not dumb.

That's the thing.

He's not an idiot.

He ended up going, remember they said they had that program where he could go through school quicker?

He took advantage of that.

He fast-tracked his high school curriculum and said he graduated at 16.

That ACE program?

I don't know if it was that program or not, but he graduated something like that.

He graduated at 16 because he just didn't want to, he was tired of school.

He didn't want to be there anymore.

Yeah.

So now a little bit about his background more here on drugs and alcohol and shit.

He said that he first tried alcohol when he was 16, but he didn't like it.

Not a drinker.

No.

He said he was typically the designated driver because he didn't like to drink.

So he said that he may drink on occasion, he'll drink up to two beers, not a big beer, just not a big drinker.

Okay.

So two beers is the the tops, and that's every once in a while.

He's not an alcoholic at all like that.

He says he's tried marijuana several times, but wasn't into that either.

He said he did like during his youth though, LSD, ecstasy, and meth.

Those were the ones he liked.

What?

Those spoke to them, which are very different drugs, which is.

It's fascinating to go to that and not enjoy alcohol at all.

It's well, if you like LSD, that doesn't mean you like alcohol.

No, I mean,

the meth guy starts, yeah, I mean, he drinks heavily.

But he likes, because it's weird.

Okay, you got acid, which is LSD is acid, whatever.

It's a hallucination.

And then he got meth, which is just make you up.

Ecstasy is a mix between the two of them, pretty much.

That's pretty much the effect you're going for is a speedy acid trip kind of deal.

A speedy, horny acid trip, you know?

So that's, that's interesting, but those are the ones he's into.

He said he was hospitalized for four days at the age of 16 due to meth use.

Yeah.

The reason why he was hospitalized was he hadn't slept for seven days

and was severely dehydrated.

And he said he lost, I don't know how true this is.

He said he lost 40 pounds during that time.

I don't know how you lose 40 pounds that quick.

I mean, your body's burning all day long, right?

I guess.

Maybe, yeah, I'm sure once he drank some water, he probably, that was 10 pounds, you know what I mean?

So he never really has drug-related arrests or anything like that, though.

And he says as he grows up during adulthood, he's not really into drugs anymore at all.

Just a phase, man.

Just a phase.

You don't usually go through a seven-day meth binge phase.

It's not a phase.

You know what I mean?

Like

LSD, ecstasy, and meth phase.

Yeah.

LSD is a phase.

Yeah, but not with all of those.

And also with a very addictive form of meth.

Meth is the one that's...

Meth is not a phase.

Ecstasy is a phase.

LSD is a phase.

I know plenty of people that did a bunch of ecstasy when they were 20, 21, never did it again.

Just they were doing it while they were partying, while they were doing certain things.

LSD, I did a bunch of acid in high school, but I haven't done it since I was fucking 18 because it's a lot.

You know what I mean?

It makes your brain.

It's too much on your brain.

I don't have that anymore.

I can't do that anymore.

I'm not going to injure my brain at this point in my life.

But, you know, when you're 17, it's fine.

But meth is, that's, that's a profession.

Meth.

That is.

That doesn't just injure your brain.

Meth injures everything.

Oh, it's not a phase.

It's fucking terrible.

Yeah.

It's the worst.

So after high school, Aaron worked in a department store call center for a few months.

Then he worked as a cashier at a gas station.

He'll end up getting a job at a cement plant later on here.

Good.

He started working for this cement company in 2014.

His duties were to drive trucks and pour cement, which is exactly what I would think you would do at a cement company.

Drive trucks and pour cement.

The hardest part of the cement job, though.

Yeah, that's

bottom rung.

Yeah.

When you first get in, yeah,

that's him.

He has no experience, no education.

Drive this here and pour it, motherfucker.

That's

like $20 an hour.

That's a good job.

Yeah, you'll make a living.

That's good.

It's a hard job.

It's early in the morning.

It's, you know, it's hard.

So he was fired because he refused to drive a truck that that was not operating correctly, he said.

The truck was messed up.

They wanted me to drive it anyway.

That's my guy.

Stand up.

Not me.

Hell yeah.

Yeah, right.

I'm sure that's what it was.

I'm sure he's a real stickler, this guy, for safety.

For the safety.

Let me take some acid and snort this meth, and then we'll get it in the truck because I care about safety.

That's our safety rep, Aeron.

He said that the work was easy and it paid well, so that's why he didn't mind doing it.

He liked it.

He has a commercial driver's license.

He's got a CDL.

He said he has two young children from different women as well.

Oh.

So he's got somewhere along the line, he implanted a couple of seeds in a couple of people and has two kids that he obviously has nothing to fucking do with,

which is probably better off for the kids, if I'm being honest here.

Certainly.

He said that he moved to Arkansas and married the mother of his second child for, quote, several months in 2011.

I really gave it as much of a shot as I could.

I was there for several months.

Like it was several.

Like I really, really tried my best.

11 weeks, something like that.

Something like that.

He said that they only married because, quote, I was going on the run and he wanted his son to have his last name.

Whoa.

Yeah.

His wife filed for divorce when he ended up going to prison, which we'll talk about why he went to prison.

And the court awarded her full custody.

And obviously, he hasn't really seen the kid.

He said that he has paid child support and tried to get visitation rights, but claimed that his ex-wife, quote, made me out to be horrible.

Oh, he said, It made me out to be like some kind of methadic criminal or something.

It's, you know,

it made me out to be like

a father that went to prison.

I mean, yeah, just because I was in prison.

One time in a psychological exam here, when they asked about past romantic relationships, he said, women are okay,

Which is the weirdest thing ever.

He said, women are okay.

They're part of life.

Part of it.

Which I don't even know if that's, I've never heard anyone say that before.

I don't know what that means.

No, that's what I mean.

Women are okay.

They're part of life.

They're fine, I guess.

Is that

Backwoods website?

Can't live without them.

Can't live with them.

Can't live with them.

Can't live without them.

I guess.

It's simply they're just a part of life.

Associates.

I associate with several of them.

One of them, I actually put an associate in her belly.

And she had it nine months later.

And I said, he's the cutest little associate I ever done saw.

He also said, I've never seen a woman that could handle a breakup.

It's better to keep things casual.

So he said, you know, you get in with them, then you break up with them, they get all upset about it.

You just keep it casual, and then you never get into a relationship.

Interesting.

So he, to go along with his staunch record of casual dating, he married Crystal Lowry in 2014, in April.

You know, to keep it casual.

Keep it cash.

Keep it cash.

They knew each other for about five months, which is

great decisions.

Great decisions.

This happened by, I mean, they married in April of 2014.

This is September of 2014.

All this stuff is happening.

So, yeah, he said that he married her in attempts to gain visitation rights with his second son.

He said that he thought a marriage would look good for the court because Crystal, Lowry, also had a child.

So it's like, look, look, we have this nice house with a kid in a, you know, like, it's our own little nuclear family.

So you can bring this one in too.

He said that he didn't have a close relationship with Crystal's daughter and really never talked to her.

So good stepdad.

Excellent.

I don't give a fuck about that kid.

Just trying to use her to mind.

That's it.

He said, though, that his main interaction with the child was that Crystal liked to sleep in and that he was in charge of waking her up for school.

He, by the way, during a psych exam, which I don't recommend this at all if you're looking to be seen as sane,

he laughed out loud as he explained that sometimes he would throw a glass of water on his stepdaughter if she didn't wake up immediately.

Thought that was hilarious.

So funny.

I know that's an old school thing.

Don't say it, tell a psychiatrist that you're doing that, laughing while you're doing it.

That is, they're going to go, oh,

you do it all the time.

They're going to start writing something down at that point.

I guarantee fucking to you.

Yeah.

You're going to be some scribbling.

There's going to be some jotting at that point.

You might hear the eyebrows go up.

You're going to hear a lot.

You're going to, it's going to be a reaction for sure.

Now, he doesn't have a relationship with either of his parents, hadn't spoken to them since 2011.

when he indicated that he contacted his father when his first son was born, but his father said, I don't care and didn't come visit him or see the son.

So he said that was it.

And he said that his mother recently became a, quote, Christian fanatic.

And he finds it overwhelming to be around her because, quote, she just tries to talk to everyone about Jesus.

Oh, boy.

She's a complete disaster and an alcoholic.

So you can either be that or this.

That's it at that point.

She's one of those people.

Some people can not be, but some people can either be one form of annoying asshole or another form of annoying asshole.

They can't just be regular people.

A little bit of an asshole about several things.

Yeah, just don't drink and ask someone if they saw the football game Sunday.

You can't just do that.

You know what I mean?

It's one or the other.

So it's a little bit about his criminal history.

He was

truant from school all the time and would run away all the time.

He was first arrested at the age of 17

for

robbing a bank.

That's his first crime.

Wow.

His first arrest is bank robbery.

Fascinating.

That is at 17,

where he was sentenced to prison for six years for that.

Good.

Wow.

Six.

He did six bad in there.

Yeah.

He robbed a fucking bank.

You can't do that.

That's crazy.

That's that.

That's

why he had to be an aggravator to it.

That's crazy.

So he is released after a while, but then he's arrested again on federal charges

for interstate commerce of stolen vehicles.

So he's got a stolen car ring.

He was incarcerated in Kansas City.

He says, by the way, that when he's talking to a psychiatrist, he laughed as he recalled being broadcasted on the news about him.

He was like, it was funny.

There I was up on the TV.

He gets released from that and fled the state,

even though he's not supposed to leave.

Fled the state on a stolen motorcycle.

That's the most

picture a pocket full of meth, stolen motorcycle fleeing the state.

Like that's

on probation.

Parole, not even probation.

That's the most fucking trash thing you could do is

flee the state on a motorcycle with a pocket full of meth as you.

Stolen.

Stolen.

It's a stolen motorcycle.

That's the important part.

Somebody else's motorcycle.

Yeah, not the motorcycle itself.

The fact that you stole a motorcycle.

So he was caught in Texas, though.

He was transferred back to the Bureau of Prisons in Colorado for two years because it's federal.

He then violated his parole again by going back to Louisiana.

Oh.

So then he was in 2011, he was incarcerated at the Arkansas Department of Corrections on theft charges.

And he was released on parole in 2013.

He violated his parole in 2014, but then was let out again.

And that's when he got married to Crystal.

And then here we are.

God damn.

Okay.

Now, according to some county records from the county jail in 2011, he was a problem even in jail in Arkansas.

Oh, is that right?

All sorts of write-ups for behavioral problems.

He's an asshole.

He doesn't listen?

The only way I could put it is he's an asshole.

That's just it.

He's just an asshole.

Some of the violations were passing notes to female inmates as they passed by.

Can't try to fuck the female inmates.

Being in possession of metal and other contraband items, you know, shank-making materials.

Sure.

blocking the vents, failing to comply with staff orders, defacing jail issue items, just typical asshole behavior, basically.

He's several disciplinary write-ups for being unsanitary and failing to keep his cell clean as well.

Wow.

Which is actually a big deal among the inmates.

They want you to keep your cell clean too.

So it's like that's, you're pissing other people off.

Deputies reportedly found the toilet in his cell to be filled to the top of the waterline with feces.

Wow.

He was just shitting in a pile and not flushing it.

Oh, my God.

He He was collecting it to see how much shit he could collect exactly.

Why would he do that?

Because you want to compare your shit from today to your shit from last week.

How else do you do that?

You know?

I got to see where.

It's like when it's, you know, when a river cuts the layer?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You get to see.

This is from the.

The pignaceous period.

Yeah, that's exactly what I mean.

You get to see the different periods of rocks.

You get to see how that works.

Yeah.

But it's like the Grand Canyon.

This is only a meatloaf.

It's like the Grand Canyon.

You can see when all of it was made.

It's perfect.

So that's disgusting.

According to an incident dated December 4th, 2011, he required restraints because he would not stop kicking his cell door.

He said,

all of this while screaming, I need to go to the bathroom.

Never mind, I already did.

Oh, my God.

And then he would piss on himself and shit in himself.

and shit himself.

That's he'd say, I need to go to the bathroom.

Then he would shit himself and go, never mind, already did.

And this was to make them upset.

One of us is covered in shit right now, and it ain't me.

Like,

who should be upset here?

So he did that on purpose.

Someone who pisses and shits themselves on purpose to make other people upset is

another level of weirdo.

Yeah.

He wouldn't take a shower after multiple requests.

The staff had to physically wash him off and dress him because he was covered in piss and shit.

That's when he wouldn't shower.

He also had disciplinary action for sending unauthorized mail correspondence, as he would use other inmates' names as aliases to forward mail across the jail facility.

Oh my God.

He's a fucking asshole.

And he's also noted to have a history of smuggling contraband into the jail as well.

Just doing whatever he does.

He sum up his ass, too.

And he uses his ass as a pocket, which is also strange.

Now,

he was mental health-wise.

He was taken to a youth diagnostic center in Tennessee at the age of 12 because he was, quote, acting out.

He was diagnosed with ADHD and prescribed several different types of medication, including Ritalin, Prozac, and lithium.

That is heavy to give a 12-year-old.

Lithium, yeah.

Any of the, yeah, Ritalin is, you know, they give that to hyperactive kids.

Prozac for a 12-year-old's.

That's crazy.

That's young.

And then lithium.

for a 12-year-old is

that's like if you're like severely bipolar you know what i mean at 12 we're doing this

so

he stayed in a residential facility in a while but couldn't doesn't know how long no one knows how long he was there um

when he was asked by a psychiatrist what were his main difficulties

he said this is great quote straight up rebellion straight up rebellion straight up rebellion man solid hobby

Wow.

And he also never went to any kind of therapy that wasn't like in a jail environment as well.

He reported that he saw a psychiatrist during his incarceration at the Bureau of Prisons in Colorado and was started on different types of medication for his aggression.

He's been prescribed Depicote,

Paxil,

Risperdol, and Seroquil.

Yeah.

Which is, I think that's an antidepressant.

Seroquil,

which is

Paxil is an antidepressant.

Depacote is something a little bit different than that.

So he claimed that the psychiatrist...

That's an antipsychotic, isn't it?

Yeah, that's, that's, I think they give that to bipolar people a lot.

Yeah.

So

he claimed the psychiatrist was trying to find the right meds and that the Seraquil was the only thing that worked adequately.

Wow.

He said that he experienced rage when he becomes upset and requires medication to calm down.

After being placed on Seraquil, his behavior got much better.

Oh.

And he was better, or he reported to a psychiatrist that he was better able to think before acting.

So he wasn't just impulsive after that.

He

also said, though, they did not.

The weird part is

he said that he was satisfied with the federal system in general and the treatment he received.

So he was okay with it.

He does claim a psychiatrist at the Arkansas Department of Corrections, though, was a quack that wouldn't give him the medication he needs.

As a result, while he was in jail, he received, quote, 19 disciplinaries during his last incarceration in our arkansas boy oh boy he said the psychiatrist only uh provided him printouts and does not believe in psychiatric medication he got a scientologist psychiatrist is what he got i'm not sure if that's true but that's that's this essentially what he got sounds like yeah It sounds like the system does not want to pay for his psychiatric medication, so the

psychiatrist figure out a way to not prescribe it.

He also said, this is what I look forward to, a

or psychiatrist who gives hugs and tells you what to do.

Okay.

He said that he had PTSD due to a prison fight in 2009, in which he was stabbed multiple times and flatlined.

He died.

Almost died.

He said that he was conscious during most of the experience.

He said that he became anxious around others, specifically when people walk behind him or in close proximity to him there.

So he's also had some injuries a little bit here.

Physical altercations are really what caused it.

If you have a problem with impulse control, you're probably going to get in a lot of fights.

This is one of those things.

He indicated that at the age of 30, he was beat near to death, as he put it, while being robbed in Mexico.

He was hit in the back of the head with a brick and suffered various injuries, including a collapsed lung, chipped teeth, a broken nose, broken ribs, and internal bleeding.

He said he was hospitalized for one day and left the hospital against medical advice because he was, quote, on the run.

So he leaves hospitals and gets married when he's on the run.

That's what he does.

He said most of his injuries healed, but his ribs were still deformed and he can't sleep on his stomach.

That's the way he put it.

He said another serious incident happened in 2009 while he was at the federal prison in

Terre Haute, Indiana.

He said that he was attacked and stabbed by two other inmates and collapsed lung again and a severed ear and multiple lacerations.

They're really getting after him.

Fuck.

And he showed a psychiatrist, he lifted his shirt and showed all sorts of scars on his front and back.

He said his ear was reattached and the rest of his injuries healed without complication.

So this is who they're looking at.

Just back, we'll go back to the surveillance of him now, but this is the guy who they found to be married to the woman who has the phone number that connects to the, you know, to the real estate agent and all of that.

So, and he's supposed to be Scott.

Yeah, yeah, he's supposed to be a different guy completely.

So, it's Sunday morning, and they are setting up surveillance at the house where Lewis and Lowry live, Crystal and Aaron, uh, in Jacksonville.

They need to confirm that Aaron matches the description from the neighbor who saw a skinny white male.

When Lewis exits the house, they go, There he is, tall, thin, short, dark hair, gets into a black Ford fusion.

Yeah.

That's that's our guy.

But Lewis here, Aaron, I don't know if it's due to his being stabbed in prison or just a former meth use or just being a criminal, he's paranoid.

And he is constantly checking his mirrors, looking behind him.

He's looking for tails, basically.

He saw him.

And he spots the surveillance team behind him,

which they did not want because they wanted to be able to watch him and see if maybe he took them to Beverly, basically.

Instead, he fucking floors it and tries to run from the cops in a Ford Fusion.

Wow.

Which is dumber than a stolen motorcycle to run from.

It's the dumbest fucking conveyance ever.

I would rather have you pushing me in a wheelbarrow than be fucking in a

driving a Ford Fusion with people with V8s behind me.

That's insanity.

Yeah.

What is the top speed on that thing?

Where are you going?

A Ford Fusion's a big car.

That's their whole...

That's their

little tiny thing?

No, that's the focus.

Oh.

The Ford Fusion is the mid-sized sedan.

I think that some of them have a V8, I think.

Theirs doesn't.

No, no, no.

They didn't get the upsell model.

They got a base model.

No, the Ford Fusion's a decent little mid-sized car.

It competes with the Camry.

Like,

if you had to run from the police for it, that's not your first choice of vehicle, right?

No, no, no, no, no, no.

You take my car over that, I would think.

Or your car over that.

Yeah, any car.

Any other car.

Anything that's that size or bigger, I'll drive something else.

So he floors it.

The detectives chase him.

And now it's on.

Now they're chasing this guy.

Okay.

Doesn't last very long because apparently he's not a very good driver.

No.

Aaron.

No.

He loses control on a curve and crashes into a ditch.

He lost control of a front-wheel drive car.

Over Ford Fusion.

Really tearing it up.

He wasn't wearing a seatbelt at all and slams his face into the steering wheel.

Okay.

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at the 8,700 block of Jacksonville-Cato Road outside of Sherwood, according to a sheriff's office report.

Witnesses told the cops that his vehicle was traveling fast when it went out of control on a curve, hit the ditch.

The sheriff's office lieutenant here said that investigators had pegged him as a person of interest when they were following him.

That's why they were following him.

And so he was taken to Baptist Health Medical Center in Little Rock for treatment.

Okay, this is the crazy part.

This is when it gets even weirder.

Okay.

If the story could get stranger.

At some point, he's going to go in for a CT scan because he's hit his head pretty goddamn hard.

So he's going into a CT scan.

The cops go in to check on him and he's fucking gone.

He left.

He snuck out.

With half a face.

Half a face and half the police force standing outside.

They let him walk by with half a face hanging off and they didn't catch him.

This is a crap police squad.

Like, I give them credit for finding all the digital shit, but you keep an eye on him while he's at the fucking hospital here.

You know what I mean?

They're like, we're just here to keep an eye on that dude with half a face in there.

Yeah, we're going to keep it.

He was sighted.

They talked to him at the hospital.

He was cited for careless driving and failure to wear a seatbelt.

And then at 4.30, the thing is, they couldn't get the kidnapping warrant until 4.30.

So they said that was a warrant for kidnapping that was able to be obtained.

So before that, they couldn't like handcuff him to the fucking hospital bed for not wearing a seatbelt.

That's not allowed.

So they had to wait to get this warrant so they could arrest him and then they could knock him down.

But sometime before 4:30, he disappeared from the facility while waiting for a CT scan.

He just walked out.

So they said that the cops said to the press that they don't know if he's armed, but quote, it's logical to assume he could be.

Sure.

Why not?

He said, we do consider him dangerous based on the nature of the charge and based on the fact that we haven't located Mrs.

Carter, who is Lowry, actually, Crystal Lowry.

They said there's no, they had no leads in his disappearance.

What?

They have no idea where he is.

Follow the blood trail.

Half his face is hanging off.

Yeah.

This cop said we need him.

The best person that can help us find her right now is Mr.

Lewis, meaning find Beverly.

He's described as 5'11, 156 pounds, white guy, brown hair, brown eyes.

Now,

the police, while this is going on, they execute a search warrant at 165 Randall Drive, where he and Crystal live.

And

she's going, I don't know what you're talking about.

Or she's not even there.

I'm sorry.

He was saying, I don't know what you're talking about.

Yeah.

When they were talking to him at the hospital, inside the house, they find Beverly's iPhone.

Oh.

I don't know how you get that without having her there.

With not

having her there.

Having her, period.

Not having any idea.

And the SIM card was removed, so it couldn't be tracked as well.

They popped the SIM card out so no location would work.

Remember when 2014, when that model had that SIM card?

It was a pain in the ass.

But it was definitely Beverly's phone, but they didn't know where the hell she was still.

They have her phone now.

Great.

Monday, September 29th.

Here we go.

Adam Nash, okay?

You're like, who the fuck is that?

Random guy, okay?

Random dude is sitting in his office on a Monday afternoon, looking out the window, as we all do when we're stuck in an office, just to see some glimpse of the outside.

And he sees a man at the bus stop who he goes, I recognize that guy.

Yeah.

I know that guy.

I just saw his face on the news.

So he walks outside

and goes up to somebody else that's near a bus stop, that's near this bus stop, to ask about bus times.

But he's only doing it so he can get close enough to this guy to see if he's Aaron Lewis.

Oh, clever.

That's why he walked over.

So he walked over and did that, and it's him.

So this guy runs back inside and calls 911.

Okay.

And he says, quote, hey, I'm sitting over here.

They're looking for a guy that was involved in the realtor being kidnapped.

And this guy looks like him.

And he's nervous.

And he's out here at a bus stop wearing a black t-shirt and jean shorts.

He's going into the subway now.

And not to for as a mode of travel, he's going to eat fresh.

Yeah, that's what he's

going to

$5 foot long.

Yeah.

So he enters the subway.

Aaron does.

Yeah.

And he orders a sandwich.

Wow.

He ordered a turkey sandwich.

But all of the customers in the restaurant recognize him.

All of them.

Everyone starts pointing.

That's the guy.

That's the guy.

The whole place starts going crazy.

Holy shit.

That's him.

That's him.

So he's like, oh, fuck.

And he just runs.

He takes off because they're all points.

They're a monster.

And he's like, ah, fuck.

And he's running away.

Oh, shit.

El Diabli.

El Diablo.

El Diablo.

So he runs into a nearby office building to try to hide.

But Nash, the guy who originally spotted him, and half of the people fucking with their six-inch sweet chicken, onion chicken, teriyaki bullshit sounds.

They all give chase as well.

Oh, shit.

So now he's literally got a, instead of...

The torches and pitchforks, they have footlongs and fucking bags of Doritos, but they're chasing him.

Sun chips and footlongs, but they're chasing him down the street.

As they're chasing him, he yells back because there's subway employees involved in the chase with their big stupid plastic gloves on.

He yells back, why are you chasing me?

I didn't steal anything.

All right.

And Nash says, I know you didn't steal anything, but I know you kidnapped that lady.

Where's that lady, you son of a bitch?

So Lewis, Aaron stops and pulls a knife.

And he's like, oh, you're after me for that?

Because he thought they were chasing him because he thought they thought he stole something.

He didn't realize they knew what the fuck he was.

So now he goes, oh, it's serious.

He turns around, pulls a knife.

And Nash stops and backs up and goes, hey, watch out there, buddy.

But at this point, there's another whole horde of people running over there that heard the original Kerfluffle and now are on their way.

So now there's like 40 people around him.

He's surrounded.

Can't stab everybody.

Now he's like, oh, shit, what do I do?

So he runs.

He runs into the office and he hides in an office closet.

Okay.

And everybody outside goes, he went in there.

And the cops go in and they search the office and they find him sitting in there.

He's in a closet.

He's sitting in there.

Yeah.

Sitting in an office closet hiding.

Okay.

Had to know he was going to get caught.

He comes out with his hands up.

Doesn't give a fuss to the cops.

He's been arrested before.

He knows the deal.

Sure, sure.

One detective said this.

I know he's trying to do a zing.

And for a detective, it's not bad.

But it's literally like a law and order line.

You know, it's something that fucking Briscoe would say back in the the day, like Jerry Arbach, he said, quote, that's the last time he'll be eating fresh.

Oh, god damn it.

See what I mean?

Just cheesy.

He's been waiting to use a detective line like that his whole career, probably.

He's like, finally, I got a zinger in.

I got a Kojak zinger.

Fuck yeah.

Chris Maloney can suck my dick.

Take that, Munch.

I got it going on.

I wish it was easy.

Iced tea with your semen.

I'm going to order anything.

Fucking anything.

No, yeah, that's the last time he'll be eating fresh.

So he's arrested and he's taken to the sheriff's office where he's questioned for more than 12 hours.

Oh.

Which is getting into the dangerous time of judges stop allowing shit in after that.

So that's not great.

He admits he kidnapped her.

Yeah.

He said, I kidnapped her.

Yeah, sure.

Okay.

But.

Not what you think.

It's not what you think.

No.

How do you kidnap someone, but it's not what you think?

Okay.

I don't understand.

Here we go.

He also wouldn't say where she was either.

That's the other thing.

He has multiple stories.

Let's go through them here.

Here's one story.

One one, and this is the one as they're taking him out of the jail and transporting him from the police station to the jail.

Yeah.

The news reporters swarm around him, and he gives a fucking interview as they're walking him.

And he blames it on Trevor.

It's all Trevor.

Who's Trevor?

He said, I kidnapped her with my friend Trevor from the Air Force base.

Oh.

And that's what he tells everybody.

He said, I have a co-defendant, he said, that you haven't got yet, and it's Trevor.

And they're like, well, where's Trevor?

And he goes, he's at the Air Force base.

He's in the Air Force.

Turns out, Trevor, he does have a friend named Trevor who is in the Air Force at an Air Force base.

Problem is that Air Force base is 500 fucking miles away and he hasn't left.

I haven't done anything with that guy.

So he's not,

he didn't sneak out 500 miles away without being noticed.

It's not Trevor.

Yeah.

Then they go, they say, they tell him that.

They go, we just verified that Trevor hasn't left the fucking base at all.

So

what do you got now?

And he says, all right, I didn't want to tell you guys about this, but I'll tell you the truth now.

Okay.

We were having an affair.

Me and her?

Me and Beverly were having an affair.

We met on Craigslist and we were having an affair.

Okay.

Yeah.

A 50-year-old real estate agent lady is going to just, she can't help in a happy marriage who's not fucking around anywhere else.

She can't resist herself when she gets around a 33-year-old method.

She pictured him on the run on his motorcycle and was like, that's just badass, man.

That's some James Dean shit.

I love him.

No, that's bullshit.

So the cops looked it up.

They looked up the Craigslist records.

Never happened.

So they go, next,

next story.

And that's why it takes 12 hours, too, because they have to verify that he's lying and then come in and tell him he's lying.

And then he's got to start a whole other story.

Version three

was, okay,

here it is.

Okay.

Me and Crystal.

Sure.

Sorry, sorry.

Crystal and I, I like to use proper English.

That's what Aaron, Aaron's like, listen, I'm sorry.

I didn't want to be off here.

Crystal and I had a threesome.

Oh.

With Beverly.

Oh.

So it wasn't that I met her on Craigslist.

Really, she was just our third.

Because when 30-year-old couples are looking for a third, they usually look for a 50-year-old real estate agent

who's married and has kids and shit.

Yeah, you know, they're usually the ones that are totally willing to jump in on that.

Wow.

So,

no,

that's not true.

They go, we don't think that's true.

Then they start looking at his phone pings, and we'll find out some other shit.

They find out that cell tower pings lead the investigators to look through the Argos concrete plant where he used to work,

which is 25 miles from where Beverly was taken in the city of what, Jimmy?

Cabot.

Yeah.

Okay.

Then version four, too, here's the other thing.

He says that he has a voice recording of her, and we'll get into that as well.

Okay.

He said that he used

voice synthesis software for it.

And he said, I can't remember which program I used.

Okay.

Which isn't that, there was not a lot of just easily downloadable app

voice changers on the market in 2014.

Now there's a million of them.

Back then it was just like that thing that Macaulay Culkin carried around.

Exactly.

You'd have to like hold a thing over your mouth.

Talk boy.

Talk boy.

Talk boy.

Yeah.

There wasn't a lot of that available.

And this guy isn't the most savvy guy that would be the one to find it either.

So

that's one.

Then for another version, he said that Beverly wanted excitement in her boring life.

Oh.

That's why she was having the threesome with them.

And I need to be kidnapped.

So then

she thinks that's hot.

Well, then it's more exciting.

Yeah.

It tie you down.

You don't ever know when it's coming.

Yeah, that's what we all want.

A lot of married couples that she'll go sit at the bar and wait for him to come hit on her.

You know how it goes.

Yeah.

He did say he was sorry during the interrogation and admitted that he did abduct her.

And after being shown that evidence strongly ties him to the case, but he keeps saying the abduction was like she wanted it or she didn't want it.

It keeps going back and forth.

Now, the voice recording, here's something I want to talk about here.

Apparently, there is a recording on his cell phone, Aaron's cell phone, of Beverly's voice.

Oh.

Yeah, he played it for them during his first statement here.

So the...

He said this, quote, I'm going to show you something.

Show you something while you're sitting right there and while he's on the other side, meaning

the other detective.

Well, actually, I'll let you listen to something.

Then, as soon as I let you listen to it, you'll know that I'm serious and I said that you're running out of time.

So he keeps telling them, Beverly's alive, and she's fine, and she's alive, alive.

You need to hear this because you'll believe me when you hear this.

Then he played a recording of her voice.

During the recording, she says, quote, Carl, it's Beverly.

I just want to let you know I'm okay.

I haven't been hurt.

Just do what he says, and please don't call the police.

If you call the police, it could be bad.

I just want to let you know I love you very much.

That does not give proof of life.

That is not proof of life.

That is proof she was alive at one time.

At some point, yeah.

And scared to death.

And scared shitless to make that.

Now,

her son and her husband identify this as as her voice.

That's her voice.

Yeah.

So it's not some 2014 voice synthesis thing.

It's not.

It wouldn't be good enough to where it fooled the husband and the son.

It just wouldn't be.

They talk to her constantly.

They know her voice.

I know Sarah's voice.

You know what I mean?

If somebody said this is her voice and it wasn't, I go, you're full of shit.

I know her voice.

So that's what's going on here.

So they're like, huh.

And he says, yeah, but that's not actually her.

That was me using a synthesis thing.

That's what he says later on after he says that is her.

And that's why I said you're running out of time.

And then he says, no, no, no, it's not her.

So they're very confused here.

They said that he refused to provide the police with her location.

They said, where the fuck is she?

And he wouldn't say, can't tell you.

Can't tell you.

They said that

the suspect and victim telephone records were able to be traced off a certain area off Highway 5 in Pulaski County.

So.

The cop after they interview him and they bring him to jail and all that shit.

They interview obviously, they interviewed him and he was saying Trevor and all that shit.

But then they interview the lieutenant and he says, why'd he pick her?

Why'd he do what he did?

There's a lot of things we'll have to piece together.

Okay.

Then the next morning, Tuesday, September 30th, 2014, this is at 12.30 p.m.

at the Argos Concrete Company, 12117 Arkansas Route 5 in Cabot.

Okay.

There are cops searching this area because they had pings of both their phones being there.

Yeah.

An officer's flashlight sees something in the dirt because it's midnight.

It's an elbow sticking out of the dirt.

A human elbow just popping out of the ground.

So either the mole people have come for their just desserts or there's a problem here.

They dig her.

They dig the hole.

They find there's more.

There's a human body in there.

It's not just an elbow.

It's a very shallow grave.

They dig it and they find Beverly in there.

Oh, boy.

She is bound with duct tape.

The tape around her face has to be cut away by the medical examiner.

It's that bad.

The medical examiner said death by asphyxiation due to external airway obstruction from a duct tape mask.

Oh, no.

Suffocated and duct.

Didn't even have the fucking decency to kill a person in a

decent way.

That's the most cruel way you could.

That's so fucking cruel.

That is horrifying, man.

So

the lieutenant said they obtained permission to search the property.

During the search of the property, they did find a shallow grave toward the back of the property.

After they uncovered it, it was

positively identified as Beverly Carter.

The medical examiner who had to cut the duct tape off her face said, in my career, I've seen everything.

But

the deliberateness of this, six layers of duct tape.

Oh, for Christ's sake.

He said he wanted to make sure that she couldn't breathe.

That's not panic.

That's evil.

Six layers.

Six fucking layers.

And the sheriff's department said, and we know that he's been on the property and is familiar with it because he used to work there.

Also, if that wasn't enough,

when they arrested him, he had deep scratches all over his body that weren't from...

the

car accident, actually.

Deep ones.

Turns out, they find DNA under Beverly's fingernails because she fought her fucking ass off, as you would as you're being duct taped to death

and scratched him good and got his DNA all under her fingernails.

Oh, boy.

So they match his DNA to her body.

Uh-oh.

Not good.

Not good.

He is interviewed again as he's walked by.

He does not mind talking to the reporters.

And he, as he's taken there, he said he didn't kill Beverly and and described her as, quote, a woman that worked alone, a rich broker.

Okay.

Then he was talking about, brought Trevor up again to the reporters, a co-defendant named Trevor.

You know.

But the cops said they aren't seeking anyone else believed to be involved in the kidnapping and murder.

which is a mistake.

They said Lewis is the only suspect we have in the case and at this point, the only person we're going to be looking for.

Not true.

Not really true.

October 30th, 2014, that's when they arrest his real accomplice, who is his wife, Crystal Hope Lowry.

God damn it, Crystal.

So it took him a month to get her, but they do.

She, by the way, is 41 at this point, so she's older than him.

And apparently they're married and living together, but she describes herself as his estranged wife.

I guess because he's in jail.

Associate wife.

Saying basically they were only living together still.

They just got married.

It's their newlywed still.

Let's see how it works.

We're associates at the moment.

Yeah, we're still associates.

They said they were only living together due to financial

problems and that neither one could afford to move out.

Now, Crystal has no criminal history at all.

Really?

Here.

No, she went to nursing school

and is living off some savings she had at this point.

They found out that she used to be a prostitute at one point when she had a drug problem, but never got arrested, which is pretty, must be

slippery.

They arrested her about 1.45 p.m.

at her home.

She was wearing blue jeans, a blue t-shirt, and didn't talk to reporters like a smart person as they brought her in.

The officer said, this investigation has never stopped, and we've kind of said that all along.

Did you?

I remember Lewis is the only suspect we have in the case, and at this point, the only person we're going to be looking for.

Now they're like, we were always looking for him.

Maybe they were trying to lull her to sleep or whatever.

But I've said numerous times we've established tips and leads, just tons of them, to finish working out.

We had suspicions all along.

This is just something that through the investigative process, they happened to wrap up today and manage to get the warrant for the kidnapping and capital murder and serve it today.

So they bring Crystal in.

Yeah.

Again, no criminal record.

This is not, being interrogated by detectives is a new experience for her.

Yeah, this is going to go

real terribly for her.

Or very well for the detectives.

Both of them, yeah.

Pretty much as soon as her ass hits the chair and her Miranda card is initialed, she is spilling her fucking guts.

Of course.

Spilling it.

She said, quote, it was Aaron's idea

immediately.

We needed money to separate.

He couldn't afford to move out.

Yeah.

Which is so ironic because in order to be able to get away from each other you have to do some horrible thing together in order to be able to get away from each other we have to do one more one more heist

she

tells them all this shit she even agrees to testify against him in exchange for a reduced sentence

and they find out that their financial situation was fucked oh they were three months behind on rent Their power had been shut off twice recently.

Oh, boy.

Her nursing school tuition was overdue.

and his unemployment benefits had expired.

Between them, they had a total debt of $47,000 and no money and the electricity getting shut off all the time.

No income and every day somebody else is coming looking for money.

Unfucking real.

Wow.

So she also spills in detail exactly what happened.

Oh.

Oh, yeah.

And here it is.

They said they started this two weeks before the kidnapping.

They started planning it.

This wasn't random.

This wasn't out of nowhere.

This wasn't just popping up.

This is crazy.

So,

okay.

They were living in the same house in Jacksonville because they couldn't afford to leave, like we said.

She was living off savings in nursing school, which living off savings, if your power's off, you're not living off anything.

No.

Aaron didn't have a job.

They had tons of pressure about finance.

And she said, quote, he said we needed money, quick money.

He had this credit card machine from some old scheme, said we could force someone to transfer money to it.

Okay.

Yeah, square.

Yep.

That's what he's going to do.

They spent days driving around West Little Rock looking at nice houses and nice cars for robbery targets.

Oh, boy.

That's what they were looking at.

But they said there was so much security in all these nice houses.

It's 2014.

Things are starting to come into

keep an eye on your shit now when you're not home.

Totally.

There's cameras, there's gates, neighbors watching.

They were like, Jesus Christ, we can't go into one of these houses and force somebody.

Everyone will see us doing it.

It'll be on 10 different videos and neighbors.

So Aaron said, what about someone who works alone, like a real estate agent?

Yeah.

Because they're trying to think of who works alone, but yet is a good job.

Yeah.

I mean, a street sweeper works alone, but

you're not going to get a lot out of them.

A control guy works alone.

Works alone.

But he makes $12 an hour.

Yeah, he makes $12 an hour.

What are you stealing?

So his credit credit card limit is probably the same as yours, Aaron.

And it's probably maxed out.

Exactly.

So anyway, they said a real estate agent, that's someone who works alone and they have money.

Yeah.

So they looked online.

They started researching online for local agents.

And they looked at all different websites and looked at everybody and they saw Beverly.

And when they saw Beverly, they recognized her face from billboards.

And they were like, I've seen her on billboards everywhere.

Look at her.

She's on billboards.

And when you see her picture, she's got a big, confident smile and she looks successful.

And they said, she has to have money.

Oh, boy.

I bet she has money.

So Crystal said, Aaron said realtors made a lot of money and he wanted someone married so there'd be someone to pay ransom.

So they literally looked into her whole social media.

They found her Facebook.

They stalked her digitally to find out if she had a family that would be willing to pay ransom.

Oh, boy.

So they did.

They studied all of her listings.

They read her reviews, looked at her Facebook, knew about her family, and they honed in, honed in on

that's our lady.

Unbelievable.

Beverly.

Okay.

Marketing backfires.

I would say.

So

he practiced the phone call over and over again.

Really?

Yeah.

Crystal said he made her rehearse her part as well.

You know, and all of that kind of thing, because they both had a part to play in this.

Sure.

And he was telling her, sound interested, but not too eager.

Like we have money, but we're not desperate for anything.

Just like, hey, we have money to vote.

If we felt like buying this, we could do it right now.

You know, if we like it enough, we'll buy it.

But, you know, who knows?

We're not real desperate for it.

And practice.

I'm not asking you to be a Meryl Streep.

I'm just saying at least some

Grace Witherspoon.

Just give it a shot.

A little bit of rehearsal time is all I'm asking for here.

Yeah.

Come on.

It's not that hard.

They text between them.

Aaron says, I'm ready to do this.

This shit is getting old.

And Crystal texted back, I'm ready for you to do this.

I'm ready for you to do this.

I mean, yeah.

I'm ready for the payday, but I don't know if I want to get out there and do this shit.

He should have known right there, if we get caught, I'm fucked.

She's saying

she already put it all on me.

He should have known that when he said, I'm moving out when we get money.

That's what he should have known.

We're not even together for Christ's sake.

Of course, she's going to sing like a fucking bird.

Now, Beverly, when she pulled up to the house, 14202 Old River Drive, it was empty for a while.

The yard needed work.

It didn't look great at the time, and it's kind of expensive.

So that's why she was willing to show it late.

Usually she wouldn't do it this late, but the fact that she really wanted to move it, and now there was one car in the driveway with a man standing there, and that's Aaron.

And

Beverly asked, Aaron, is your wife coming?

Yeah.

And he said, oh, she's running late, traffic.

She said to just start without her.

Okay.

So now she's going to go into this house with just this guy.

With just him.

So she hesitated because she never, she has a rule.

She does not show houses to men alone, period.

Which is a fucking good rule that all real estate agents should have.

Unless you know the person extremely well.

Don't do that.

But she thought about it and she, well, I met Crystal on the phone.

So I know he does have a wife coming and all that.

So she went, eh, fuck it.

I need the sale.

Market's been kind of slow.

Let's just go in.

So she does.

She unlocked the door.

She said, let's start with the ground floor.

They walked through the rooms and, you know, she's telling these are original hardwood and the kitchen's been updated and all that kind of shit.

And he is asking real estate questions.

Like he watched House Hunters.

He watched two episodes of House Hunters to know what to ask.

Because I doubt this guy's looked for much real estate in his life.

Yeah.

And so he's asking the right questions.

What's this?

And how's the, you know, what's the heating?

What's the electricity panel?

He's asking shit like that.

Like, homeowners would want to know.

Yeah, things like that.

Then he said, let's see upstairs.

Let's see the upstairs.

So they go upstairs.

Beverly is talking about

the master bedroom and saying there's a lot of potential here in this master bedroom.

If you set up, you could have a little area here that's like a little nook to catch the morning sun and all that kind of shit.

And then she hears something behind her.

And she freezes because she's like, oh, fuck.

And she hears this.

Quote, you're about to have a very bad day.

You're being kidnapped.

And she's hit in the back with a taser.

Oh, Jesus.

Drops.

Yeah.

Completely drops.

Okay.

All right.

So Aaron puts green duct tape around her wrists and mouth.

She is, the problem is she's scratching and stuff, but her recent tummy tuck has made it so she is weak in her core because she has had to let those muscles rest.

So she's having a hard time fighting back.

Normally, she's pretty formidable.

She's a marathon runner and, you know, that sort of thing.

But so he drags her down the stairs.

You can see heel marks left in the dust as they go down the stairs, as her heels hit the stairs on the edges.

Investigators later would photograph and measure them to use them to reconstruct how it happened.

But Crystal's telling them anyway.

Now, outside, Aaron had backed his car up to the front door with the trunk open.

And then he throws Beverly in the trunk and takes a fucking picture with his phone.

Yeah, because he's got to have the proof that he's kidnapped somebody.

But it's not for that.

No.

He took a picture and sends it to Crystal.

Oh.

You know what the caption with the picture was?

No.

Of this poor woman in a trunk duct taped?

Help.

Like it's a joke.

Oh.

Like, help.

Look, she's in the trunk.

And then says,

it's done.

He sends a text after that.

Crystal responds, where are you going to take her?

I don't want her at the house.

Right.

Obviously.

So apparently they didn't know what they were doing because that was the plan was to take her to the house.

And now they're not taking her to the house.

So they're like fuck now what do I do so they had looked at the Argos concrete plant as before because it has abandoned buildings in there it's a big complex with a bunch of shit so that would be perfect to hide her and hold her for a minute while they try to get a ransom

so

He drives there, but then he notices since he's worked there, there's some changes.

There's new locks.

Now there's security lights.

And those lights might, they might have cameras on them.

I can't see from here.

Shit.

So now he's driving around

with a fucking kidnapped real estate.

He's driving past this woman's billboards with her in the fucking trunk.

He's got, he's in deep shit right now, and he knows it.

And he knows pretty soon someone's going to notice she's gone and they're going to start looking for her.

So Crystal later said he said he could get pulled over at any moment and he needed to get off the road.

So he said, fuck it, and just takes her home.

Don't bring her to the house.

Took her to the house.

She's alive, Jimmy.

Yeah.

She's absolutely alive.

Yeah.

So they bring her in to the house, 165 Randall Drive in Jacksonville.

This one could have been done in Jacksonville, Scott, or Cabot.

We just picked Cabot because it was the biggest one.

It's a tiny little bath.

It's a bathroom.

It's a little bathroom.

It's a little master bathroom off the bedroom there.

And that's Beverly's cell.

They just lock her in there.

It's a little prison cell.

So.

That's it.

She's in there.

They lock her in.

And he tells Crystal to watch her, hold the stun gun and watch her while I figure out what we're doing.

This has turned into a ridiculous movie now.

This is a movie.

This is silly.

Beverly can see prescription bottles on the counter because that's what's up there.

She's looking around.

And Crystal's name is printed right on the fucking bottles right there.

So now she knows that

these aren't strangers.

She knows who she's dealing with.

And

all of that.

So

Aaron realizes that he needs Beverly's debit card.

Problem is, you know where the debit card is?

Back there at the fucking house.

At the house he took her from.

Right.

Do you know what the worst thing he could possibly do is?

Return to this fucking crime scene.

Yeah.

So he says, I got to do it.

That's the whole point of this.

I got to do it.

I'm going.

So he sells Crystal, I hope no one's found that she's missing yet.

So he says, I'll be back in 45 minutes.

Jesus.

So

at 8.30 p.m.

that night, that's when Carl Jr., not Carl's Jr.

and his hamburgers, but Carl Jr.

called,

got a call from his father about, have you talked to your mother?

And,

you know, Carl Jr.

said it was not common.

This was common for her to late.

Sometimes showings go late.

People sit around bullshitting.

And he said, realistically, it wasn't that late.

It was 8.30.

I mean, that's not that late.

If you started at 6.

It's a big house, whatever.

Then at 9 p.m.

is when Carl Sr., even though he's not a big worrier, started to get fucking worried.

So he drove over to the house.

Beverly, Beverly, Beverly called the cops.

My wife's her car's here.

I don't know where she is.

They come over, fucking say that your fingerprints are all over everything, but whatever.

So then at midnight,

we're back at the house with Crystal and Aaron and Beverly.

Lewis returns.

Aaron comes back at midnight.

The cops have been there for hours at this point.

Yeah.

And he walks in, color drained from his face.

And Crystal looks at him.

She doesn't even ask.

He just says, cops everywhere.

The whole place is crawling with cops.

And they don't have the debit card.

They don't have the PIN number.

They don't have shit.

They don't have anything to do.

So they go, fuck.

What do we do now?

The whole point was to get what do we do?

That was so much trouble.

Crystal then says, Aaron, she's seen your face.

She's seen my prescriptions.

She knows who we are.

Yeah.

This is, besides the massive violence, this is like Ruthless People, except, remember the movie Ruthless People with Danny DeVito and Judge Reinhold and fucking Bette Midler and shit up?

That is a great fucking movie, by the way.

Keeper.

Keeper.

But the comedy of errors that those two kidnappers had trying to hold Bette Midler that you're like, this is ridiculous.

This is what's going on here.

These two are fucking idiots, first of all.

And this poor woman is stuck with these morons.

So she says she knows who we are.

So Aaron nods.

And Crystal says, I want her out of the house.

I want her gone.

And he says, permanently gone?

Oh, Aaron, don't ask those questions.

And she says, yes.

Oh.

So this is about one o'clock in the morning.

That is when they decided, okay,

we should type back one of these texts that people keep sending her.

And that's when they type, sorry, phone being dead, having drinks now.

And that's when they get the red folder and all that kind of shit.

But the only one they respond to is Carl Sr.

with having drinks now.

Then at 3.29 a.m.

This is how they, through text messages, Crystal and Aaron decide what to do here.

They're in the same house in different rooms texting, by the way.

Because when you're committing a crime together, even though though you're in the same house and can just tell each other, you want to leave a digital trail for people to find later.

It's for the best, really.

This is as dumb as you could be, possibly.

I mean, it's unreal.

So, Crystal says, WTF is her fucking text.

Aaron says, You sure you want me to do this?

She says, Do whatever you want.

Good night.

Which is the most passive-aggressive thing.

And now I see why they're breaking up, okay?

He's on meth.

She's a passive-aggressive asshole.

I get it, okay?

Do whatever you want, Don Dawson.

Do whatever you want.

Good night.

No, bitch, we were in this together.

This was both of us.

You can't just put it on me now.

Now I'm the only one involved in this fucking plan.

Yeah.

So he said, I'm asking you.

She said, such a fucking waste of time.

Why don't you fuck her too?

What are you jealous?

What are you talking about?

Wow.

Why don't you, you have a kidnapped woman in there?

Yeah.

Why don't you fuck her too?

You're going to keep her alive in our house.

You might as well fuck her.

Like, no, this is a kidnapping.

Hold it together for Christ's sake.

He says, you need to chill.

I'm trying to get money, lady.

Listen, I'm a meth addicted kidnapper and you need to chill.

So I think I'm right.

I'm trying to pay our bills here.

So she said, this is amazing.

Whatever.

Number one.

You don't whatever a murder plot, first of all.

You know, whatever.

Go ahead and murder the bitch.

What are you doing?

Why don't you fuck her?

Why don't you?

Oh my God.

She's a nightmare.

He's a nightmare too.

But I mean, as a couple, these two belong together.

Go ahead and fuck her.

Why don't you?

Why don't you fuck her?

Why don't you fuck her too?

Is what she said.

She then says, quote, whatever.

It don't take that long to do what you need to do.

I'm not helping anymore.

Anymore.

You're spending too much time

thinking about it.

I was on board to do it ever before, but since you're dilly-dally, and now you're on your own.

Okay.

So

Aaron takes Beverly from the bathroom.

Crystal, by the way, hides in the home office because she didn't want to see what happened,

even though she's fine to say, go ahead and do it.

He gets Beverly and puts her back in the trunk again and drives back toward the Argos plant.

Yeah.

I don't know at what point they made the voice recording, but it had to be at some point here

in the whole time they had her.

So he brings her there.

There's multiple versions that he gives of what happened, but Crystal gives a version that she told him that's backed up by all the forensic evidence that we know exactly what happened.

He walked Beverly to the edge of a grassy area and tried to strangle her with his hands.

And found out it's hard.

And found out it's hard, and he's pretty weak, I think is what he found out.

He's not as strong as he thought he was.

And he later told Crystal, I didn't know how hard it was going to be.

You know, strangling someone's crazy.

So he then went back to the green duct tape and put six strips across her face, covering her nose and mouth completely and making the duct tape mask, as the medical examiner called it.

That is horrifying.

She suffocated slowly over five minutes.

Oh, my word.

What a piece of fucking shit this man is.

Couldn't even fucking bring a knife and cut her throat like a fucking gentleman.

I mean, not to be a, you know what I'm saying?

If you're going to kick, if you're a murderer, at least make it fucking quick.

That's all I ask of you.

If you're going to murder me, make it fast, please.

It's crazy that this is torture.

He just like took sections and wrapped it on her face.

Didn't go all the way around.

It was six layers, though.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But like, what a weird fucking way to do that.

Yeah, you could just wrap it around.

Yeah, that would be normal.

So five minutes it took her to suffocate to death.

That is, that's, that's worse than, it's one of the worst murders we've ever talked about.

That's horrifying.

I've never heard anybody doing that before.

Then he gets home and Crystal's waiting for him.

And she asked him, you know, are you okay?

And he said, quote, look, I'm not fucked up about it.

I don't have a conscience.

I can turn it on and off like a switch.

That's, that's comforting.

Then he said, you know what happens when someone dies?

You know, when someone dies, they shit and piss themselves.

Okay, thanks for letting me know that.

And Crystal said later, at the time I was numb.

She just didn't know what was going on.

Now they needed to get rid of the body.

He killed her, left her there, and then drove back home.

Oh, boy.

Which is crazy.

So he says, look, I need help burying this fucking body.

I can't do it by myself.

She says, no, I'm not helping.

Do it yourself.

He says, all you have to do is hold the flashlight, okay?

Right.

Until I'm I'm holding it, looking at somewhere else, then you're going to yell at me.

I know how this goes.

Well, then she's going to say, well, never mind.

Well, why don't you do it yourself?

I'm not in the mood right now.

And then they're going to go back and forth.

So they drive to Walmart, of course, the murder supply center.

If you're a middle-of-the-night murderer, this is your supply center.

Security cameras catch them buying a shovel and topsoil at 4 a.m.

Topsoil.

Which is when I buy all my gardening products at 4 o'clock in the morning.

Yeah.

I mean, if the sun isn't up yet, you can't buy gardening products.

That just looks real weird.

So at the plant, they dig a shallow grave.

And obviously it's shallow because one of her fucking elbows was poking out.

They bury her.

It's dark out, and I don't think Crystal did a good job holding the flashlight, so they didn't notice the elbow.

You know what they did after that, Jimmy?

What is that?

Everybody out there in podcast world,

scream it out.

Where do you think they went from there?

Oh, boy.

Did they go?

I think you're going to get it.

Yes, they did.

I knew you'd get it.

I fucking knew it.

I said, I think you're going to get it.

And that's exactly where they went.

I know.

Waffle House.

Waffle House.

Nothing fixes guilt from a murder like smothered and covered.

Come on.

I could hear

through, like in my brain, I could hear hundreds of thousands of people listening to this going, Waffle House, all at the same time.

Like, it's one of those.

They go to the Waffle House.

They smelled the sizzle.

Hash Browns and Coffee.

Yeah.

They got.

That's what they got?

That's what they got.

Hash browns and coffee.

You know, keep it light.

Yeah, keep it light after a big murder like that.

You don't want eggs.

It'll mess up your stomach.

No, no.

Just smother them and cover them, and then a little coffee.

Black, please.

So they love.

You love saying the word smother and cover.

You love it.

So every time we bring up Waffle House, it's like 12 different times you say smothered and covered.

That's all I've ever known from that place.

I know.

That's all they have.

That's what's so funny.

I do like that fucking chocolate pie they have.

Do they have a pie?

It's like pudding, but a pie.

It's fucking just chocolate pudding in a crust.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Is it groundcracker crust?

Yeah, so I can't eat it, so I ditch the crust, but I eat all the pudding out of it.

That's good.

Yeah, that's not bad.

I love pudding.

So anyway,

I get it smothered and covered, by the way.

I don't know if you knew that.

Is that how you get the pudding?

Yeah, I get a pudding pie.

Smothered and covered, babe.

That's how it comes.

You have to tell them not to do that.

Yeah.

You go, not smothered or covered, please.

Just the pudding.

Thank you.

Well, that's how it comes.

So, you know.

Now, do you know, by the way, what their big plan was?

Their big plan was for ransom, remember?

Right.

Yeah.

They were going to, their plan was to demand $100,000.

Right.

A hundred

grand?

Yeah.

Do you know how much Beverly had in her bank account at the time of her death?

Oh, God.

$130.

What was that?

$130.

They didn't have $100,000 to get.

It's a commission-based business, so it's, you know, it goes up and down.

Yeah.

She drove a nice car because you have to if you're a real estate agent because you transport clients a lot of times you have to have a decent car and they lived in a nice house because she sold real estate and she got a good found a good deal and bought it but they have no fucking money they're they're living right at their means i mean it is at or above their means they do not have liquid money to go

every house they sell is is pushing us down the road a few months that's all that's it and that's like everybody every paycheck you get i can eat for two more weeks and that's what people do that's life so

i mean they were comfortable they had money but they're not they don't have if if something happened and she had to stop working today or something they'd be in deep shit i mean that's that's it so the other thing everybody thinks about is what if beverly didn't show up with that their where would their plan have gone to from there what if she said ah fuck it i'm not doing this i'll make an appointment again for tomorrow morning or something well if she didn't they had backups.

Oh, they had three other female realtors in the area that they were going to go down the line.

Oh, my God.

Beverly was just first choice because she looked like the richest.

And then they were going to go down the line of the next three.

One of those agents, when the cops told her she was on the list,

immediately quit real estate.

Never done.

She was like a top broker.

And she said, done.

She said, I can't do it.

I can't do it knowing I was next on the list.

Can't do it.

She was number two.

So Aaron

does another interview on TV and says that he expressed that he was wanting to tell his side of the story

here.

Wow.

This is after they find her dead.

He says that her death was an accident, but he felt like nobody would believe him.

Because how do you accidentally wrap a person's face in fucking six layers of duct tape?

That's not an accident.

And it wasn't wrapped.

It was meticulously placed over her fucking face, man.

You can't say that that was an accident.

None of it's an accident.

No matter what direction it was put on, it can't be an accident.

Yeah.

So they said that he also said he wished he had spoken with Crystal before the police did so he could be the one to tell,

so he could be the one to tell her that he was having an affair with Beverly, you know, because he said I was having an affair.

She's like, I just wish you would have guys, guys, would have let me tell my wife I was having an affair before you guys did.

It's like, don't worry, no one believes you anyway.

She knows what you did.

So then they find, is this connected to another case?

Oh.

Ashley Auckland, who is 27, was murdered while showing a house in Iowa in 2011.

The cops initially suspect a connection to Beverly's case here, but then they end up ruling it out through the investigation that Aaron was not there and couldn't have done it.

So

Crystal is going to plead guilty, as she has to,

to first-degree murder, as a matter of fact.

Oh, boy, in Arkansas.

In Arkansas.

And a large group, but it's for a reduced sentence, too.

A large group of Beverly's family and friends and real estate people are all there.

So imagine a bunch of women in red jackets standing to fuck around

watching your case here.

The chief deputy prosecutor called it a good plea deal for the state, saying it will allow the family and friends to begin seeking closure.

He said it's always good when you have someone who's a participant in the crime who can help provide additional information and perspective for the jury, something other than just the investigative part of the case.

This is half the case for them that is now down the road.

He said that's a large part of a negotiated plea in a lot of instances is helping the family begin the process of closure and getting past what a horrible thing has happened to the family.

Get it over with so you don't have to do it anymore.

Anyway, they just sentenced Crystal to you, ma'am, may fuck off

30 years in prison.

Wow.

Which ain't bad, I got to say.

Oh, that is not fucking bad.

I mean, that's, you know, 70 for her, but still, that is

interesting here.

So March 4th, 2015 is pre-trial for Aaron here.

And they accept a mental evaluation here.

They're going to put him in a mental evaluation to see if he's fit to proceed with trial because he asked the court to dismiss his lawyer.

He satisfies the criteria for the following DSM-5 diagnosis, antisocial personality disorder.

And they go on to say a diagnosis of antisocial personality disorder is warranted in light of Mr.

Lewis's history of pervasive criminality and early onset disregard for social norms and rules.

This diagnosis is fitting with an individual that displays persistent disregard for

and violation of the rights of others since the age of 15 and as indicated by evidence of at least three symptom criteria.

Additionally, there must be evidence of conduct problems before the age of 15.

Mr.

Lewis reported behavioral problems beginning in elementary school.

He stated he was taken to a youth center at the age of 12 due to acting out and rebellion, and that he often ran away from home and was truant from school.

And they talk about robbing a bank and several theft charges and all that kind of shit.

Now,

in court, so

he's cleared to go.

He's competent.

He says, quote, I would like to terminate my lawyer.

I do not wish for Mr.

Hensley to continue representing me.

I've told him numbers of times he's been discharged.

Yeah.

So the judge questioned him over, because he said, I want to represent myself.

Right.

Because obviously I'm a lawyer, clearly.

I can handle it.

You know, I know jurisprudence shit.

Come on now.

He said that

the judge was trying to determine whether he could represent himself.

Lewis said he had some college education, can read and write.

And he says that he does,

this is fun, he has legal experience because he once won a lawsuit against Benton County.

I don't know if that's true.

So the judge said, well, I'll let you do it, but I'm going to treat you just like any other attorney.

You're not getting any special treatment.

And he said, oh, I understand.

And Lewis also said that he understood that he would not be allowed to leave the Arkansas Department of Corrections to investigate his case and that it's, quote, not much different than what's happening now, basically.

Like he said, my other lawyer wasn't doing shit either, so who cares?

So he represents himself.

He fires his attorney, demands access to all evidence, has a hard time with fucking filings and motions because you have to know how to do that shit, and complains that prosecutors won't cooperate with him.

It does exactly what Lori Vallo did.

Yeah.

Exactly.

He said at one point, quote, I don't want an attorney.

I'm the one facing prison, not them.

Oh.

Yeah.

The judge warned him repeatedly and finally appoints Bill James as defense attorney when it becomes clear that Lewis is not going to do this right.

Basically said, look, dude, you're over your head.

I can't let you represent yourself because it's just going to be grounds for appeal.

So you need to have a lawyer.

So they appoint Bill James.

Now,

he then posts a 22-page handwritten affidavit, this is Aaron, on Facebook through a service for inmates.

Enity claims that Beverly died during consensual sex.

Oh,

with a duct tape mask.

Yeah, yeah, that's what she's into.

You know, that's all.

He even drew fucking sketches,

sketches, murder sketches of the duct tape placement.

Think about that.

And said, quote, I covered the whole front of the face in six-inch strips of tape.

Okay.

So dollar bill length.

Yeah.

For anybody who's wondering.

Now, his attorney appointed to represent him is like, great, I really hit the fucking jackpot here with this guy, but it's going to be a capital murder murder case and

yeah this is crazy so he the problem with why they had to appoint the attorney is he would say I don't want an attorney but then he would ask several cra several questions about how to write his own motions and the judge says that's not my job right

attorneys know how to write motions if you don't know how to do it show me show me how yeah he then says information on his cell phone will clear him but he doesn't trust anyone in law enforcement to preserve the information if he surrenders his passcode to retrieve it.

He hasn't given up his passcode yet.

And he said, I am not going to tell you my passcode.

And this was before they had all the programs to crack it and shit.

Every police department has that now, but they didn't have it back then.

So he said, if I give it to them, they're just going to erase everything that says I'm innocent.

That's what he's saying.

So authorities said they can't examine the phone without the code.

And he says he wants his own representative to be present if he's allowed, if he allows the information to be

extracted.

The judge warned that those problems were perils of being your own attorney and urged him to accept the legal representation, and he does.

So that's how it worked.

They go to court to try to get some of the evidence ruled out.

Okay.

Oh.

Most of the information that they gathered while interviewing him is excluded.

Because they said he invoked his right to have an attorney present while being transported to the police station, and they did not provide him with an attorney there.

They also, the judge also ruled the search warrants obtained by detectives were overly broad and ruled that evidence found in his trunk and home, so her phone, stuff like that,

will not be allowed.

Yeah, her hair in the backseat, in the trunk, all that shit.

None of that will be allowed.

Okay, the warrants found duct tape and her hair in the trunk and her phone and other write-ups.

So the case is over over with the shit they

excluded could have been all the evidence they needed, basically.

The prosecutors will, however, be allowed to play a recording obtained from the voice memo per ransom call,

which is horrifying.

Horrifying.

So he filed a motion to suppress the statements.

They do that.

They allow the other thing.

That's crazy.

They say that the police citizen encounters have been classified into three categories.

The first category is contemplated by, I'm not going to get into the Arkansas rules of criminal procedure, but a law enforcement officer may request any person to furnish information or otherwise cooperate in the investigation or prevention of a crime.

The officer may request the person to respond to questions, appear at a police station, or comply with any other reasonable request.

But it doesn't say you could just search shit and make him talk or whatever the fuck.

So

the attorney, his new attorney, says that the judge's ruling will help him, quote, put on the best possible defense for Lewis here.

He said that it's going to be hard to find impartial jurors because of all the media coverage.

He said, I need people who are going to be honest and judge the case based on what's proven and make a fair decision.

I think we can find that, though.

Okay.

He's ready.

Trial time.

Here we go.

Opening statements.

This is fucking crazy.

Okay.

The prosecutor during the opening statement said that he and his wife targeted Carter, two weeks of planning, all that kind of shit.

They noted that his wife already pled guilty to first-degree murder in the last case, and she's going to be testifying about how they went looking for a married real estate agent so they could demand ransom from a spouse.

The fact that Crystal is there, if Crystal wasn't testifying, they would have very little at this point.

Sure.

Sure.

Very little.

But they do have DNA under her fingernails, which would probably do it.

And the phone call.

And the phone call.

So the prosecutor says, quote, she died a horrible, terrifying death that no one deserves.

Beverly loved her life.

The last thing Beverly experienced was unspeakable terror at that man's hands and pointed to him.

The defense attorney said that, come on, this is all over dramatic.

He said that the prosecutor's making all this up, saying that they're presenting, quote, a made-for-TV movie.

That's what they're putting.

Some crazy made-for-TV movie plot.

No one does that.

That's crazy.

He said it's an accident that happened during a sexual encounter.

That happens all the time.

She was looking to get a little freaky.

Her life was dull.

You know how it goes.

The defense attorney said, we have to look at this truthfully, not from a fantasy.

Beverly was making bad decisions at this point in her life.

Let's tell the truth about what's going on here.

Everybody has a secret life.

That's the same line that detective gave to her friend.

Sure enough.

Everybody has a secret life.

Problem is, she doesn't.

Nope.

She just is a boring, you know, a normal lady who tells the truth.

She does what you do.

Just an honest person.

She does the right thing.

Every dynamic.

She's not making bad.

She's making all the right decisions at this point in her life, but she's never been better.

So the also investigators tell the jurors that the phone and emails records show that the couple created a fake phone account to meet up with Carter at a vacant house.

That's all this evidence doesn't look very good.

Then Crystal takes the stand,

and he's fucked.

She said the plan was to kidnap after they you know, scoped everybody out.

They said that the real estate agent was chosen because of the perception of real estate agents having a lot of money.

Yeah.

Because they all look like they have a lot of money because they take this picture after they just get their teeth whitened and they have their best outfit on and their nicest jewelry and they get it photoshopped.

They're just a nice nice photo, right?

Yeah.

And they get it photoshopped just right.

And you think, oh, well, that must be what they look like when they wake up in the morning because they're rich.

And it's, no, they just, you know, good Photoshop.

So

they said that

they chose her based on that, and that

she said that Aaron was responsible for the actual killing.

They asked how much they were expecting to get in terms of money, and she said, quote, a hundred thousand.

That $100,000 was to be split in an amount that she did not know.

So we were going to split it, basically.

They said, why didn't you call the police?

This is her answer.

I didn't want to.

I don't know why I didn't.

Okay.

Okay.

Later, she said

it wasn't about the money.

I was worried about getting caught.

And then the prosecutor said, you wanted her gone.

And she said, yes.

And they said, permanently gone.

And she said, yes, because those were the text messages.

So she had no choice.

Because otherwise, he would have said, well, why did you say yes in this text message?

That exact same question.

Why would you want this done?

Yeah.

The defense is attacking her credibility, pointing out that

literally, she's a convicted prostitute.

Oh.

Yeah.

Okay.

So obviously 20 years ago, she sucked a dick for 20 bucks.

So nothing she says can be taken seriously, obviously.

Well, they said she's lied to police before.

She's getting a deal for her testimony, but she has all the key points that line up with the forensic.

So it's kind of tough.

She said, yeah, she didn't call the cops because she didn't want to get caught.

And she said, I wanted her gone.

Yeah.

The TV reporter who did an interview with him outside the jail or the exclusive jailhouse interview was called in as a witness as well.

The medical examiner testifies about the duct tape mask.

The defense is like attacking the medical examiner for some reason, which is really weird because they have pictures of everything they've done and like it's all laid out.

And the judge intervenes and says, you know, chill out.

And he says, just asking questions.

Just trying to get to the bottom of it, Your Honor.

Hey, you know, so the defense calls Carl Sr.

Oh,

yes, they call him to the stand.

They didn't, the prosecution didn't call him for a reason.

No, because he's cheated on her and hit her, even though that was 30 years ago, it still doesn't look good.

So

they didn't want to talk about that.

So the defense calls him to the stand, trying to paint Beverly as just miserable and looking for some excitement in her life.

He admits that he had an affair 30 years ago, and that one time while he was drunk, he hit Beverly around the same time.

But he says, we were in a good good place.

We just renewed our vows.

She was happy.

We were happy.

That was a long time ago.

Aaron takes the stand.

Really?

Oh, yes, he does.

He tells the jury that, yes, he's had many run-ins with the law.

When asked about his criminal past, he said, quote, you got a minute?

He said it started when he fell in with a bad crowd at 14,

and he said it just kept going and going, just repeated thefts.

Because he said he first stole like a Snickers bar from a store, and then it went from there.

So then

repeats a graphic version of what he posted to the Facebook page about how he and Beverly were fucking and all of that kind of thing.

And he said that he kidnapped her because he felt that police would not believe

his side of the story and that he wanted to protect his wife.

He said they run a check on you and find you did something wrong.

You did it.

So

all of this shit.

He referred to what her,

in the, by the way, in the Facebook thing that he wrote, he referred to what her naked body looked like and how he disposed of her corpse after he accidentally suffocated her during a consensual threesome with his wife.

Oh, my God.

Then he says about the voice recording.

They said, well, what voice, you forced her to fucking make a ransom thing?

And he said, no, no, no, that was me with an app that makes your voice different.

And they said, well, what software program did you use to

mimic it?

And

he said, you know, whatever.

I don't remember, he said.

So he said he used to mimic her in her voicemail.

That's the don't call police and it could be bad and I love you and all that.

But the son and the husband both identified the recording as his mother's voice.

Sure.

So he said that he fabricated the recording after the death because it might be an angle to get someone out of something or get something out of someone.

I'm sorry, I reversed that.

Get something out of.

So maybe he could use that to get money if people thought she was still alive.

During the breaks, Carl Jr.

watches Aaron Lewis like the whole time, just scopes him out.

And he said, quote, it's classic Aaron Lewis.

It looked like he was enjoying his candy in typical fashion.

He got a good lean in so he could see the television footage of himself.

He's quite the character.

Which is quite the character means I'd stab him in the throat if you give him me fucking near him, two feet within him.

Fuck that guy.

I will carve him up.

So the verdict comes in.

Three men and nine women on this jury, which is not great for this guy, I don't think.

It's not a good jury breakdown for him.

They start deliberating at about 3 p.m.

They deliberate for 45 minutes and they're done.

That is literally just enough time to fill the paperwork out.

Very quick, yeah.

Very quick.

He is found guilty of capital murder and kidnapping, obviously.

Yeah.

He shows no emotion.

As he's led away, he gives a peace sign to the cameras.

He thinks,

yeah, this is like fun for him.

This is some kind of weird, hey, look at me, I'm famous.

So the sentencing comes around and the death penalty is on the table here.

But the family had been asking about

how does it work when you pursue the death penalty, basically.

Carl Jr.

said, quote, the prosecutors walked us through what that really means.

Not just

they say, sentence you to death, then you cheer, and then he's dead.

That's not how it works.

The prosecutor said, this means years of appeals.

They said, well, go for it if you really want, but it is years of appeals.

You're going to be reliving this over and over again every couple years.

for the next 30 years, basically.

Oh, boy.

Do you want that?

And Carl Jr.

said, we just wanted it over.

As As long as he was away forever and couldn't hurt anybody else, we just wanted it over with, which is the most reasonable thing that you could do.

Let's save the state $15 million.

I'll ride it through.

And I'll feel better.

So everybody's happy.

So the victim impact statement here, Carl Jr.

says, we've been wearing these chains for 16 months and they just fell off.

My mom's at better peace now.

The only thing she did that day was go to work.

I still can't fathom that my mom was murdered while doing her job that she loved so much.

She was an angel among us.

And the judge says, you, sir, may fuck off.

Life without parole

for capital murder.

Okay.

Life without parole for kidnapping.

Okay.

To run consecutively.

Oh, die.

Bye.

Bye-bye, asshole.

You're going.

And never.

You really made a spectacle out of him.

Oh, yeah.

They fucked him.

They gave him the worst thing they could give him.

That's not the death penalty.

Put him away forever.

There you go.

Forever, forever.

Never getting out.

So some reactions here.

Juror number seven, while speaking anonymously, said, we walked in knowing he was guilty.

Meaning walking into the jury room, not the courtroom initially.

That would be the whole trial.

That would reverse the whole thing.

If they say, we walked in, I was like, look at him.

Gross.

Hey, that's sick fuck.

Yeah, we walked in knowing he was guilty.

The evidence was overwhelming.

We deliberated for 45 minutes out of respect for the process.

But really, we knew in five minutes.

They couldn't come out seven minutes later.

The judge is still putting mustard on his subway sandwich, going, What happened now?

You guys are ready?

They got words to say?

How?

How?

Oh, my God.

The juror goes on to say this, and this is every fucking time one of these guys tries to testify to

because they need to put their own stink on it because they think they can lie, you know, to convince people of anything.

This juror said the worst part was his testimony.

Yes.

He smiled when describing her death.

Smiled.

Oh, my.

So they were thrilled to put him away.

The defense attorney said, I feel like we had a fair trial.

The jury heard the evidence.

I respect their decision.

In other words, I ain't going to be his appeals lawyer.

I'll tell you that right forward.

I don't want to talk about it anymore.

Not me.

Later on, it came out that he said, told other people, I guess, allegedly, that he struggled defending Aaron, especially when he would, the character assassination of Beverly.

That's not the approach he wanted to take, but that's what his client wanted.

Now, Carl Sr.

still lives in Scott, stayed around.

He said the house has too many memories to leave.

So that's, this is where we did everything.

This is where we're staying.

He said, quote, nights are the hardest, going to sleep without her, waking up and remembering she's gone.

Losing her in such a horrific way, I still kind of expect that she'll show up one day.

He doesn't date at all.

Really?

Doesn't date, doesn't socialize really.

Yeah.

Just Beverly's clothes are still in the closet.

He's just,

he's completely stuck.

It's in his

head, it's 2014, and she'll be home any minute.

And that's so fucking sad.

I feel, I completely get where he's coming from.

And it's the saddest shit ever because now his life is just frozen in time.

It's frozen.

Yeah, you can't fucking date.

What are you going to do?

Bring a chick home and be like, yeah, that's all my wife's clothes.

And, you know, that's not going to work.

So

he does become the face of realtor safety, though, nationwide.

That's his main concern.

Every September 25th, he said he watches the clock tick towards 6 p.m.

Yeah, he said it's what I do every year, 6 p.m., which is the time of that appointment where she was kidnapped.

I just say a prayer, and I'm in that moment.

I kind of apologize, or this is

the son said, I kind of apologize for my mom for what she had to go through.

Um,

he actually thanks Crystal for testifying.

Yeah, you got to.

Yeah, as much of a piece of shit as she is, we did put this guy away because of her.

And he said he knows it's the only reason Aaron was convicted.

And he said, it's gratitude, but it's complicated.

Thanks for being such a frigid bitch.

Yeah, thanks.

Appreciate that for being a passive-aggressive asshole and then talking about it afterwards.

He also starts the Beverly Carter Foundation.

This is Carl Jr.

that goes into that.

Carl Sr.

helps here.

The Beverly Carter Foundation to educate real estate professionals about safety.

And he said changes in the industry that could have saved his mother's life.

Carl Jr.

quits his job and also becomes a real estate agent.

He's going to

get them all.

Yeah.

He's going to have like two guns on him at all times going, come and get me.

I'll meet you at 8.30, no problem.

Sure.

My real estate agent

carries a fucking 38 in her fucking in her purse.

Well, she's dangerous.

It's fucking dangerous, especially in Arizona.

But he didn't become a real estate agent to sell houses, but to understand the vulnerabilities from the inside so he could do this foundation better.

He travels.

He speaks at real estate conferences, trains agents.

His presentation includes crime scene photos.

Oh, Christ.

This is what can happen to you.

Text message evidence.

Beverly's final recording.

He plays that for people.

He's running like a rookie symposium for

real estate agents.

Some chick's that take all your money and give you diseases.

You better watch out.

So he's running like the NFL's rookie symposium, basically.

Oh, boy.

And safety protocol calls that could have saved her.

He says, that really pushes me forward.

When people confide in you, the ways they've been victimized, harassed, stolen from, you really want to get to work and help them.

So the industry also goes into a...

They embrace technology, basically.

They have a lot of the agents wear jewelry with hidden panic buttons in it.

Nice.

It's called InvisiWare.

GPS tracking mandatory for all showings.

Apps that alert if the agent doesn't check in at certain times.

Virtual tours is a first option.

Also, yeah, go look at it online.

There's your virtual tour.

And then we'll get, you come into the office if you want to see it after that.

Tell me what you're most interested in in this house.

No showing alone after dark.

Clients are required to meet at offices first.

You copy their driver's license.

You can do background checks on them.

They establish code words.

They make that red folder thing kind of a big deal.

Buddy system required for isolated properties.

And the Arkansas state passes enhanced penalties for crimes against real estate agents.

And several other states do the same.

And then they were proposing federal legislation, which I don't think went anywhere.

Now, in media, this case was covered by Dateline called Secrets Uncovered.

Then it was covered again by Dateline.

Unforgettable.

It was a retrospective on the first episode from years before.

We couldn't stop thinking about this.

Fuck, man.

An ID channel one called a series called No One Can Hear You Scream.

Christ, you guys.

And then, of course, Nancy Grace talks about it constantly because she's like, I look like a real estate agent, don't I?

Look at me.

This is going to happen to me.

No, we want to kill you.

Yeah.

Jesus Christ.

I'd love love to kill you in an empty house.

Don't get me wrong, but not for that.

I want to take you somewhere where nobody can hear you scream.

Yeah, that would be great.

And make it a secret that gets uncovered.

So, Crystal in prison, she is at the Wrightsville Women's Facility in 2020 now.

In 2020, she writes a four-page handwritten letter to Governor Asa Hutchinson.

Yeah.

Wanting

clemency.

Quote, I have found God and achieved

exemplary institutional adjustment.

I know I can never say or do enough to change what I did.

I have a debt to pay to society, and it would be more productive to pay this debt volunteering and monitoring on the outside than staring at four walls on the inside, eating up taxpayer dollars.

I just want to help you, really, is what it is.

I am asking you for a second chance to prove myself redeemable to society.

What?

Okay.

Both he and the parole board said, get the fuck out of here.

Fuck you.

By the way, she won't be eligible for parole again until 2035.

Your response to a woman is dead or

whatever.

Do what you want, whatever.

You, whatever.

Should I kill this lady now?

They should have replied to her email or her clemency request with whatever.

Whatever.

Do what you want.

That's fucking great.

Wow.

So her prison record shows participation in educational courses, counseling sessions, and religious programs.

Excellent.

Good for her.

Well, we'll see you in fucking 10 years.

Why don't you fuck her?

Yeah.

Why don't you just fuck her already?

Now, Aaron

is appealing, obviously.

Yeah.

Phone recording is an issue, among other things.

Because he said that should have never been allowed in.

Also,

Lewis himself directed the deputies to bring his cell phone, which had been lawfully seized.

So there's no indication the deputies pressured him to play the recording.

He literally said, I'm going to show you something, or I mean, I'll let you hear something.

Hand me my phone.

They said a spontaneous statement, regardless of the dictates of Miranda, is not automatically rendered admissible.

Spontaneous statements are not compelled or coerced in any way that violates the Fifth Amendment privileges against self-incrimination.

So you basically find it.

You walk up to a cop cop and say, there's meth in my pocket.

If they find meth in your pocket,

you told them it was there.

You told him there was meth in your pocket.

Brandon or not.

Yeah, it's very fucking stupid.

So they said it's obvious that Lewis controlled the circumstances that

resulted in him revealing the voice recording, not the police.

Accordingly, no police misconduct.

There was no reason to suppress the voice recording.

I agree.

Aaron in prison is a complete fuck-up and disaster, just like in life.

It's never going to stop.

He he has been in trouble for stealing from inmates yeah other trafficking contraband threatening violence against staff threatening violence against other prisoners uh in 2021 he faced new charges for assaults of correction officers as well

a general piece of a general piece of oh by the way he has fucking adoring fans what

he has people sending him money and pictures what women are all over this fucking guy.

Is he handsome?

Not really.

Very average.

Exceedingly average.

Average-looking cat.

Don't get it?

It's not about looks here.

It's about the manipulation.

It's a psychological thing.

Some people have a thing of if this person's such a monster, I could make them not a monster, I bet.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

That's what they think.

They really think that, that

they could fix him is what it is.

And that's a real thing.

He looks like less handsome Pete Davidson.

Is that possible?

No.

Yes.

Somehow he figured that.

Looks like a salamander and Pete Davidson.

Let's pick something up.

Pete Davidson is the bottom of the barrel of Pete Davidson.

There he is.

Looks-wise.

I found it.

That's not it.

So he, anyway, they're sending him all this shit.

One letter intercepted by prison officials.

He said, quote, Beverly wanted wanted it.

She was bored with her life.

I gave her excitement.

She died happy.

What the shit, man.

This letter was forwarded to the prosecutors as evidence of his continued lack of remorse.

The Carter family sues the realtor company, the Cry Leak Realtors, sues them for failure to provide adequate safety training, no requirement for background checks, no policy on preliminary meetings, inadequate safety protocols.

They said that the lawsuit is dismissed, though.

The judge rules that the employers are not responsible for criminal acts of third parties.

If it happened like in their office,

you know, they were saying like it's free ice cream for ex-murderers' day, for parole murderers' day.

That would be one thing, but she's out just doing her normal job.

If a garbage man got killed by somebody in their yard, they wouldn't sue the garbage company and say it was their responsibility to protect them, is what they're saying.

So,

Aaron in prison here, he is

Arkansas Department Department of Corrections number 151373 in case you want to write him a love story.

Please, please.

Or love note here.

He's in the Varner Supermax facility, which sounds about right, I would say, here.

Yeah, that's at 320 Highway 388 in Gould, Arkansas.

And his custody classification is C5, which I think is probably

keep him away from everybody.

Pretty intense.

Pretty intense.

Beverly is buried at the Pinecrest Memorial Park and Garden Mausoleum.

So she got a proper burial here, not one in a fucking shallow grave in a concrete company yard.

And then the kidnapping house.

Oh.

Remember that?

Yeah.

Okay.

Well.

It was for sale.

Yeah.

Everyone knew Beverly Carter around this area.

It was crazy.

This house became a site for prayer vigils.

That doesn't make it sell real great.

When you show up and there's 100 people with candles singing fucking...

Praying out front of your house.

holding hands, singing kumbaya in your yard, you probably don't want to buy that house.

So

people left flowers and cards.

Even realtors brought their commission check signed over to Beverly.

Really?

I don't know what good that does, but they did that.

They gave that to her husband.

Jesus.

Yeah.

So the property owner, who was horrified, offered to demolish the house.

Really?

He said, you want me to knock it down?

Like, this is crazy.

I feel terrible.

Carl Sr.

said, don't bother.

Carl Sr.

said, quote, it's just a house.

It didn't kill her.

They did.

Which is so mature.

This family is so fucking mature.

I like them a lot.

It's the house that she was showing or the house that the show was.

The house she was showing.

The house she was showing.

Wasn't even killed there, right?

No, it was tased and duct taped and dragged out there.

But still,

it was the source of where it all started here.

The house sat empty for months, and then eventually it sold

for below asking price here.

Now I have some of these, apparently, the Secretary of Veteran Affairs,

it says that's the name, but owner type private individual.

But they had the Secretary of Veteran Affairs as their name, bought it.

And then the Inside Out Community Ministries had it from March 2015 to May 2018.

Then the Virginia Housing something

here had it for a while.

And then some people, I won't mention their names.

It's just regular people.

If they got a murder house, it's bad enough.

People probably coming and fucking praying in their yards every once in a while.

The house, though, has gone up and down in value quite a bit.

Right now, it's estimated anywhere between $385,000 and $504,000.

It is a five-bedroom, four and a half-bath house, 4,141 square feet.

Wow.

So pretty big house there.

And the inside looks like, I mean, it's got some,

a lot of rooms have carpet and there's like big giant tiles and shit.

It's not listed for sale.

People live in there now.

So there you go, everybody.

That is Cabot, Arkansas, and a motherfucker of a story.

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Hit me up on, when I say, I said Instagram, I guess, because Facebook, they can't, because there's the limited number.

So hit me up on Instagram at James Petrogallo with an I.

And fucking PIE is how you start that.

I don't know why I didn't just stay with Jimmy P is funny.

Why did I put my name up there?

Why did you do that?

I don't fucking know.

I should have just kept with, that's dumb.

That's my last name, and it's hard to spell.

Yeah.

Stupid.

That shows I don't give a fuck about social media.

I don't care at all.

That's so stupid.

So.

Anyway, hit me up on there.

Send me a message and I'll pick a case.

I'll pull it up and we'll decide here.

Patreon.com slash crimeinsports is where you get all that.

And you get crime in sports, your stupid opinions, and both small-town murder episodes every week ad-free on Patreon as well.

You can plug

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And in addition to that, you also get a shout-out, which happens right now.

Jimmy, hit me with the names of the most fantastic goddamn people on the face of the earth who would never, ever, ever kidnap us at our house that we're trying to buy.

Hit me up right now.

What are they?

This week's executive producer, Gary Howard, Cody Regercy, and Elinda Reninger.

Evidently, Alinda's husband is a shit biscuit.

I don't know.

Oh, boy.

But he's a good guy.

That's what I'm talking about.

Oh, that guy.

Yeah.

He called himself a shitbiscuit.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Yeah.

He said he was a shitty husband.

No, no.

He said he was a shitty husband.

We're not sure about that, but he did do this for you.

I don't know what he did.

He did do that.

And Cody, aren't they having a baby any minute now?

The Cody?

I hope.

Yeah.

Yeah, I think I've seen the pictures.

His life is really unfolded for him, right?

Before our eyes.

Literally before our eyes.

It all happened on our watch.

It's the weirdest shit in the world.

Thank you, everybody.

By the way.

And we'll see you, Cody, in

Grand Rapids here shortly.

For sure.

Other producers this week: Peyton Meadows, Lauren Thorpe, Janice Hill, Happy Hour.

Checking in in Malaga, Malaga, New Mexico.

I don't know.

It's all garbage to me.

Life with an Autistic Child on Instagram.

Jolene with no last name.

Courtney Stewart, Jeremy with no last name.

Mike Fernandez.

Bevy with no last name.

Chris and M., Joe Whaley, David Stark, Jamie Rodriguez, Maisie Cooper, Peggy Smith, Cassie Davis, Kelsey Sherbert, Rob with no last name.

Whitney Blankenship, Larry Wetschitz.

I bet it's not.

Carolyn Blackis,

Gary Rodriguez, Weston Anderson, Jeff Daniels.

Probably not that guy either.

Maybe it's Jeff Wetschitz.

We don't know.

Wet shits.

Ah, Where did I go?

Terrell Lynn Fisher, Dale Gibbs, David with no last name.

Isabella Soroya, Selena Sanchez, Aaron Bott, Ronnie Miller, Amanda Newglay,

Kate Yach,

Don Cox, Peg Finkel,

and Einhorn, Bob Crow Vault, Mercedes Lent, almost lane.

Amanda Corey, Dylan with no last name.

John Stocks, Jackie Kelly, Danielle Kleest, Kleist, Amber Solana, Sarah with no last name, Ryan Baker, Holly, Ash, Ginger, Bonham, Jessica Fletcher, Jay Sharp, Jade Schultz, Desiree Dahl, Jamie Knotts, JP, John Deluna, Nick Marie, Nick, Nick, maybe, Jolinda Walker, Nassan with no last name, Christy Myers, Lori Favada, John Elms, Lucas McKnight, Terry Graham, Melissa Caban, Jaleeesa Jackson, Katie Katie with a wow, C-A-D-I-E Christensen, Ryan Oaks, Emily with an N.

Chevy with no last name.

Perhaps it's Shelby and that's a...

Nope, that's Chevy.

Tim Carpenter.

I said that.

No, I didn't.

Dannon Morset.

Cheryl Goncalves.

Gonsalves, probably.

Ansela, Fish Blood, Russell L.

Nick with no last name.

M and A, the letters M and A.

Whitney Lee, Shelby, and Simon Johnson.

Norsk Racer 98.

Brett Blatnik.

Brandy with no last name.

Joe Gunderson.

Hector Freire.

Frar,

Jaka Jr., John Cloman, Morgan Luke, Max Antone, Olivia with no last name, Clayton Terry, N.H.

Gin, perhaps this is New Hampshire Gin.

I don't know.

Scott Huff, Alexandra Martinez, Jackson Clayton, Illustrated Lefty, LC32, Rhonda Schuler, Emily Rakovich,

Hales with no last name.

Jamie Sullivan, Ashley Shambo, Zeth Mack, Zeth Mack 10, Jonathan, ah, like a Jonathan.

That's what that is.

J-O-H-N, a thon.

That's a whole bunch of Johns.

Steph,

Stephan Arts.

246 miles upon.

24.6?

What is it?

26.

26.8?

What is it?

It's just 26, isn't it?

Isn't it?

No, I think it's.

26.4, maybe.

Point something.

Yeah.

Or 24.4.

26.2.

There it is.

Yeah.

13.

Because you see 13.1 on people.

There it is.

That's right.

Yeah, yeah.

That's why.

All right.

Aileen Murphy, Mia Moffat, Carol Carlson.

Is Jimmy single?

None of your goddamn business.

Isaac Moya, Mishka Wolfie, Nathan Conklin, Paul Howard, Stephen Arts.

I said that.

Logan Seeger?

I think I said that.

Aaron McCoy, KT,

the initials.

Devin Childress, Jeremy Jensen, Don with no last name.

Amanda Hall, Ebony Miles, Stone Tadlock, Maya with no last name.

Kelly Sexton, Lisa Kabazzi, Alice Parson, Parsons Up, plural, Gary would know last name.

Cat Dad Preacher, Cassie and Shauna, John Fredericks, Melissa Wetstone, Stacey Sims, Leslie Jacobs, Calvin Eberhardt,

Connor with no last name, Thick Toothpick, Joni Freed, Lily Patton, Christina Garrelli, Garret Pie,

Steph would no last name, Gary Massey, Steffi, nope, that's Katie, Sanford, Jex with no last name, Rubber Fetish Kem, what?

Katie would know last name, June would no last name, Raikel, Raquel?

Martin?

Kakizu Wolf.

Laura Akumanu.

Tony Farnum.

Quill River.

Carrie McDade.

Brianna Sharp.

Brandon Thomas.

Charlotte with no last name.

Anthony Wally, Virginia Snyder, Savante with no last name.

Tyler Speakman.

Janice with no last name.

Brandon Crumpton.

Kelsey with no last name.

Barbie Wachowski.

Mitchell Mitchell.

Mitchell.

Mitchell Halsey.

Perfect.

Darian Hardy.

Tyler Roth.

Lil Big Cups.

LOL Big Cups.

I don't know.

Jamie with no last name.

Jenny Scheib, like Earl's Kid.

B.R.

Hulk Car99, Hulk Car.

$99.

Yoaksteder.

Carter Yaukstedder.

Cody Fletcher.

Ozco Tarsh.

Francis with no last name.

Heidi with no last name.

Sissy Fuss.

Sissy Puss.

I don't know.

Melanie Harvey.

Kristen Wells.

The Rusty Tortoise, Mike Eccles, Ann Moyle, oh boy, Karen Wright, Tammy Sparks, Desa, what?

Desmolins, 25, Dean Burns, Megan Elwell, Pamela Nelson, Jacob Sheibnaller, John with no last name, Stacey Wellman, Eric Castro, Matthew Fisher, Love P,

Ashley McLean, Matt with no last name, Max Mostra, Eric Falk, Nick Denier, Morgan with no last name, Denier, Denier, Jared Craig, Mellie Meza, Michelle Delucio, Zach with no last name, True Crime, Stoner Girl.

She's in Phoenix, evidently.

Jennifer Scott, J.T.

Smith, Schmidt, that's Schmidt.

Mary

Muncher.

Jesus Christ, Mary.

Okay.

Elizabeth Roman Roman, that's Sko.

Lever, 73.

Sarah Sherlin, Rick Triplett, Elise with no last name.

James Hadfield, Michael, Michelle,

Mitchell, Strage.

I don't know.

It's Michelle, possibly.

Doug Harris,

Job F., Nicole Booth, Nicole Hartley, CTB, Aaron with no last name, Tiffany Coburn, Christian Gallagher, Mullen Nardi, Ryan Nickel,

Victoria Jelani, Mad Maz, Maz, Victoria.

No, that's Vicki with no last name.

Tricia M.

Sarah with no last name.

Amy Conway, Margot Jackson, Gibbie the Mailman, Andrea Reeves, Tiffany Beeching, Dina Wilhelm, Christina Jules,

Robert Groland, Goland III, Cam Barnett, Robert Burgess, Julia Booth, KVT Mitcham, Jordan with no last name, Katie with no last name, Rachel Peak, nope, that's Gretchen Peak, Cheesy Bloke, Chris DiMartino, DePak, Deepak with no last name, Luke Barker, Michael Mitchell, Stephanie Forks, Millette Michael, Kristen, Christian Albrecht, Jacob Whitford, Jodi McFarland, Jen Bartgus, hit a show,

hit a shoe, Height Shoe, Janda Roos,

T.

Loy Law, Brandon Conover, Jaron Becker, Schlo Money, Schlo, Chloe Money,

Shenance, Shenancy, Shenancy Moore, Wow, Ashley Wentzel, Shenancy, Kelly Schweeter, Alicia 1257, Carla Clark, Isabel Boisevert, Jamie Kodrovovich, Khodrovich, Natasha J.

Landon Cornman, Austin Reed, Jen with no last name, with a G, Jeremy Warren, Natalie Brocker, Shayla Bradford, Jake, your friendly neighborhood mail carrier, Katie Alexander, Curtis with no last name, the Carrie Speechler, Speech Lee, Robert Phillips, Eulis Eulis, Eulis White, Christina Frost.

I knew a kid named Eulis in high school.

Did you?

Eulis.

Absolutely.

Wow.

Becky Abel.

That's a fascinating name.

Not Becky, but Eulis.

Eulis.

Vashti Brown.

Cindy Ann Ward.

Laurie Cody.

Perhaps just Tim with no last name.

Mickey Sampson.

Diana with no last name.

Christina Sandoval.

Mendovelyan.

Kay Cam, Emily Whitcomb.

What is this?

Nod Dasty?

Okay.

Tiffany Adams, Josa, Joshua with no last name.

Nina Mae, Jordan with no last name.

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