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Let's do this,

hey.

Let's go on a trip.

Shall we?

We're going to Oklahoma this week.

It's a lovely place.

Normally, I think we did Enid like three months ago.

So normally we'd wait a little bit longer.

But like I said, special treat today because this story is so weird and so crazy that it just needed to be told for episode 600.

We're going to Allen, Oklahoma.

Allen.

Allen, which is in central Oklahoma.

It's about an hour and 45 minutes to Oklahoma City.

So there's not a lot.

It's out there.

This is a real rural area.

It is fascinating how you just get it right outside OKC and it is nothing.

You hit the city limits and it is just interstates and car fires.

That's all that you see for as far as the eye can see.

I need water.

I'm going to die out here.

Yeah, it's crazy.

Two and a half hours to Dallas and about three hours to Enid, Oklahoma.

The last one we did, the sexy Sunday school teacher slaughter.

So hot, which was a really weird episode.

This is in Hughes County and a little bit in Pontotoc County, I believe.

Pontotock.

Pontotoc County.

I don't understand.

It's only a 0.94 square mile town.

It's less than a mile, but somehow they couldn't keep it all in one county.

I don't understand how that works.

Population here, 969.

Oh, very small.

I mean, it's less than a thousand.

Median household income here, income here, normally about 69,000 in the rest of the country, 36,333.

Yeah.

Awfully low.

And then median home cost, again, way under the national average, about a third or a little more than a third.

$133,800.

Yeah.

That is.

It's just a heavy kite.

Yeah, that's, man, People pay more than that for pickup trucks now.

I think a Dodge Ram is more than that.

Everybody makes one that is very expensive.

I feel like a Dodge Ram is easier to keep down in a tornado, too, than $130,000 house that's probably.

It's a twister.

It's stuck around longer.

It's stuck around longer.

It didn't get tossed.

No, all the boards came right off the side of the house.

That thing was disappointing.

The machine came out

of the bed, but the truck stayed put.

The truck stayed put.

That's what I'm saying.

That's the point.

You get yourself a big heavy pickup truck.

Never mind this trailer.

Never mind this trailer bullshit.

The motto here, yee-haw.

Yee-back.

History of this town.

Founded in 1883,

a group of settlers that arrived in the Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory, from Texas, led by a Confederate Army doctor,

Dr.

John Trigg Gilmore.

So they settled in Cold Springs, which is northwest of where Allen is presently.

And other people started coming.

They built a log cabin in 1883.

That was built as a school and a church.

Great.

So no separation there, all in one.

The town was named after the son of Deputy U.S.

Marshal William McCall.

I assume his name is Allen McCall.

That's all I can do.

Has to be.

Has to be.

Where Allen stands now was the site of the Battle of Middleboggy, which is a Civil War battle.

Sure.

Which is, you don't think about Civil War battles happening in Oklahoma, but there was.

Or bogs.

Or bogs.

Or you don't think of bogs in Oklahoma.

It's pretty dry.

But yeah, there was Civil War battles all the way west.

I mean, they had them all over the country.

It was crazy.

So in 1892, Dr.

Gilmore became the first postmaster and founded the town's first Masonic lodge.

Out of boy.

So there's hardly anybody here.

Let's keep some of the people out right away.

Let's make something that's exclusive.

Let's do that because there's like eight people here and we can't have them all in the same thing.

It became a boom town in the early 1900s.

In 1913, an oil well was drilled west of town.

It became a big boom town.

So there was that population shot up and then dropped back down again.

And mainly it's just oil and ranching and agriculture in this spot.

Also, there was a bank robbery here that's pretty famous from 1928 as well.

Now, reviews of this town, let's find out what people think.

We've never been to Allen, Oklahoma, I'll be honest here.

Five stars here.

Okay.

Fantastic.

Allen is a small town in Oklahoma.

Well, we know that because it's on the show.

That is not very big.

It's a small town that isn't isn't very big.

It's one of those big towns that's huge.

I'm a tall guy who's not very short

and had the same population for quite some time now.

The main part of the town is the school which connects everyone.

The main part.

Unless you're over 18.

And then, no, no, no.

You shouldn't be connected to the school at all at that point.

You should be away from that school far.

It is fascinating.

Small towns, those people love their high school reunions.

Oklahoma, Texas, high school football in Texas is the biggest thing they have.

I mean, that's huge.

Their reunion in their 60s.

They're still going.

They're still going.

Hell, man.

I don't get it.

I haven't gone to any of them.

I couldn't give a shit.

That is interesting.

I've seen many people there that are not from around the Allen area and go to the school because it's on the way to their parents' work.

That's helpful.

So we just enroll them there because I can drop them off on the way.

That's interesting.

So without the school, the town would be much different.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I would think.

It would be dumber.

A lot dumber, and the kids would be real bored.

It's a good thing because

it's convenient for everyone.

With this, I think that Allen's a very family-friendly place and would be good for living in.

Would be.

Would be.

It is mainly a country school.

So expect people who like country music.

Is that what they said?

So last line of the thing.

It's mainly a country school.

So I would expect that in Allen, Oklahoma, no matter what.

I'd expect country to be playing if I go in a bar or something.

Here's another five stars.

Allen is small and pretty boring.

Five stars, by the way.

Boring.

Everyone knows everyone.

This is a good thing and also a bad thing.

They always say that in these reviews.

I mean, that could be good and also bad.

There's not much to do but watch grass grow and that's pretty fun.

So I love Allen and love living here, even though all I do is stare at my lawn.

And then finally, three stars.

For a small town, most of the people that currently live here enjoy what they do for a living because it is peaceful and you don't waste gas driving 30 miles.

You don't waste gas.

That's how I look at it town.

Hey, I don't have to waste gas.

Look at this big city just wasting all the gas.

People going places because there's stuff to do.

I won't have it.

Things to do here.

The Pickle Fest.

Yeah.

Oh, boy.

Get ready for pickle-themed shopping, it says here.

Jesus Christ.

Got to do that.

The Pickle Fest Shop Hop will take you to an Okie Trading Post, Sister Act 3.

Fantastic.

I think Whoopee dropped out of that one.

I don't think she was in that one.

She was tired by that.

I'm not doing that.

I'm only contracted for two.

Yeah, and the Chubby lady got

really big.

Yeah, she got real bad.

She's too busy with King of the Hill money.

Yeah.

Pickle Fest commemorates the old Calvin Pickle Company, which brined locally grown cucumbers and shipped them all over the country in the 60s and 70s.

So that's what you're doing.

There's the poster.

See it?

There it is.

Homegrown pickles.

There's really not a lot going on.

I love a good pickle.

I love pickles.

I love it.

The juice is so good.

I love a pickle, man.

Love it.

A garlic, a dill.

Here's embarrassment.

I will drink the juice before I eat all the pickles and then I just have to throw them out.

It's so good.

I love pickles.

They'll try it.

Oh, yeah, you can't do that.

You can't do that.

You got to save the juice.

I just wish.

You need to buy two pickle things, throw the pickles out of the first one, save the juice, use that, use the pickles out of the other.

I think I just solved your problem.

I just wish they just sold just the pickle juice.

That gallon.

There is a pickle-eating contest.

Okay.

Are you this year's pickle king or queen?

Can you relax your throat and jam them down?

Oh, I'll just stuff them like those hot dogs, like the Japanese guys.

Fight for your title with the most pickles eaten.

Uh-huh.

Okay, there's that.

And there's also Ada Fest.

What is it?

Oh, Ada, Oklahoma.

Yeah.

Just come there, and so they have music in the park.

Yeah.

They have all sorts of stuff.

Some of the bands here, RC and the Ambers.

Yep.

Kylie Nicks and the 38s.

Yeah.

Milkbone.

By the way, some of these people are playing half-hour, 45-minute sets, like back-to-back-to-back.

Jesus.

Pumping them out.

The Billy Kay band.

Vlad's Fault.

Vlad's Fault.

Vlad's Fault.

He

Crazy Heart, which is like heart, but

they're nuts.

They're from the mental institution, they get brought in with strait jackets on, they take them off just to play, and then they wrap them back up again, dig them in there, get wheeled in like animals.

Yeah,

that's what they do.

They put them up on the stage,

okay, go, and they hand them a guitar.

They're still strapped to the gurney, but their hands have movement so they can play guitars and drums and shit.

I want to see that.

John Crocker, yeah, I don't know what that is.

Uh, Sonny Ukuleady, ukulele, She plays the

ukulele.

Richard Middlestadt, which I mean, he comes out of the womb with a cowboy hat on, right?

It just sounds like Jim Nothing.

Perfect.

That was also the alternate name of the show.

We almost called it Jim Nothing, and we decided to go.

Jim Dandy's cousin.

That's that.

Then a couple others.

Billy Irwin and the Gambits.

Bill Irwin was a wrestler back in the day.

I wonder if it was interesting.

No, he's dead, I think.

He died of cancer back in the day.

And also, bottom of the barrel will be there, which is probably appropriate.

That said, let's talk about a murder.

It is interesting stuff.

Let's talk about a guy first, Jimmy Glenn Knighton.

Yeah.

K-N-I, Knight like in shining armor, E-N.

Okay.

Jimmy, by the way, is his full name, but it's not I-E.

It's Jimmy with a Y.

Y?

Yeah, they put Y on his birth certificate.

That's Jimmy Glenn.

How about it?

Old Jimmy Glenn, born April 15th, 1970

to his parents, Della and Glenn Knighton.

So middle name after his.

Hillbillies love love to do that.

Just take the shortened name and just make them that.

Billy, that's somebody's real name.

Yeah, Billy.

My uncle's name was Ricky.

Real name.

We see it all the time.

Ricky.

We see it all the time on this show.

It never fails.

What the fuck?

He's from Ada, Oklahoma.

Everybody here is kind of from Ada and things happen in Allen here.

He graduated from Allen High School.

and went on after a while to own his own body shop, a car place, a frame and body shop for 15 years jesus he'll so i mean he kind of that's hard work man it is he makes his own way here though he's a he's a he's a tough guy uh he he's a big outdoorsman yeah a lot of people in the area are loves to fish and hunt and four-wheelers and from according to one of his friends most of all he likes to drink his beer around a big bonfire you bet

yeah who doesn't like to ride four-wheelers and drink beer with a fire god that sounds fun yeah yeah fun shit you'll gradually get more fucked up while you watch things burn.

Terrific.

It's

a stressful time.

You have to throw more shit on the fire.

Yeah, I do.

You watch it burn.

Do it all the time.

He's real friendly and kind of a gregarious guy.

Yeah.

Kind of that kind of cat here.

He meets his wife, Stacey.

Sure.

And they're going to have some kids and everything else.

It's

not bad.

Yeah.

They have a son and a daughter, or two daughters and a son.

Two daughters, two sons.

Oh, my.

He's got four kids.

Yes.

Creston, Kimberly,

Aaron.

that's the boy.

A-I-R-Y-N.

Nope, that ain't it.

Aaron, I guess.

Aaron, Aaron, Aaron.

Jordan fan.

Yeah, I don't know what that's about.

You're going to get Aaron there somewhere.

And Brayden.

So everybody's got an, well, Kimberly doesn't.

Otherwise, it's all ins.

So now

they're married for 20 years, have four kids.

end up getting a divorce, but not a contentious divorce.

It's the type of divorce that's like, well, we can't really be together, but we should get along well.

Pumped out four kids.

We know there's probably some stress in here.

We can raise our kids together and they get along.

So that says something for somebody's general demeanor and kind of how they are.

If they can get along with their ex, that's a good positive sign that

are pretty mentally healthy at that point.

You know what I mean?

You can realize I can get over my own shit for the kids, so that's good.

He had a couple of minor little scuffles with the law, but nothing much.

It's like transporting an open container beer.

That's a charge that he got.

Transporting it.

Yeah.

He had a can of beer while he was driving,

which is pretty common in this area.

I have a feeling.

We won't ticket you for it.

Since it's your first one, we won't ticket you for the DUI.

Just have it.

Just having the container.

Yeah, that's transporting it.

That's a fascinating thing.

He was carrying, like, I pictured it like on a flatbed, just all like strapped in, like one can of beer.

That's over.

He's transporting.

You're not allowed to have that shit.

Or maybe it was like Smoking the Bandit type of thing.

He was transporting illegal beers.

But no, it's probably just he had a can of beer and got pulled over.

This was in March of 2011.

This happened.

Wow.

Also, transporting a loaded firearm, which again, in this area.

How are you going to do it?

Yeah, in this area, I don't know how you're going to get a loaded firearm from one place to another.

You got to unload it, probably.

Maybe unload it, or maybe you're not, maybe that's with beer.

It's also.

Oh, yeah.

You know, because I know you're not at most places you're not supposed to drink and be armed.

Even in Tombstone, they look down on that.

Yeah, they're like, you can leave that at the bar.

That's going to probably cause problems, right?

We just let these people.

Yeah, you can get pissed drunk, but just don't get so mad that you got a firearm on you and you got to solve it.

We'll give you your gun when you sober up again.

That's all.

Run your way out the door.

I don't give a fuck out there.

Now he's got a buddy here named Lawrence Doyle Sanders.

Sure.

D-O-I-L Doyle and Sanders S-A-N-D-E-R-S.

Sure.

So his name is Larry Sanders.

No shit.

Same spelling.

There goes by Larry.

And if you don't understand the reference there, there was an HBO show starring Gary Shanling and Jeffrey Tambour and

one of the better sitcoms sitcoms of all time.

Very hilarious called the Larry Sanders show.

Can you just stop saying hey now?

Why?

When have you ever said that?

Well, now that's a nice.

I've been saying it for a long time.

I mean,

first I'd say, hey.

Yeah.

Then I'd say, hey, and then later on, I added a now.

Hey, now.

Use it in a sentence.

Hey, now that's a really nice dress.

No, that's not it.

Hey, now.

It's really good to be here.

No, it's either.

Hey, now is not a...

That's so funny.

Hey, now.

You say it again.

Now, they've been friends since they were kids.

By the way, Larry has a, he also goes by Lawrence Earl Sanders for some reason.

Might as well.

He's born in June 1969.

Larry, they've been friends since they were kids.

They've known each other for a long time.

Larry was born in Blanchard, Oklahoma.

Larry's daughter, this is interesting.

Laramie, he named his daughter

Larry also, pretty much.

And Jimmy's son, Air Ryan,

Air Reen,

are dating and in a serious relationship.

Wow.

So they're

pretty close the same age.

You're right there, and I kind of want to put this in you.

A little bit.

And not a lot of people around here.

You want to go to Pickle Fest with me?

So,

yeah, these two are dating, but that shows how close they are.

They've known each other since they were kids.

Now their kids are dating.

So they're close, close buddies, and they hang out.

Larry, few issues with Larry here.

Number one is meth.

That's his number one issue.

He's got some meth problems.

What does that make you if your kid marries your best friend's kid?

Does that make you brothers-in-law?

What is that?

Dad?

Nothing.

Nothing.

You're just the father-in-law.

Our kids are married.

That's what that is.

It doesn't make you anything, right?

Your friend's kid's father-in-law now.

Now we're friends-in-law.

Yeah.

I mean, that makes you hang out during Christmas, probably.

That doesn't make you anything, right?

No.

No.

Buddies-in-law.

Yeah, pals-in-law.

Fish and

law.

So Larry's got a few issues, like I'm saying here.

He

started using weed a little bit in high school, like a lot of people do, but he went right to meth pretty quick, though.

Yeah, he was in, by the time he was about 20, he was into the meth.

Yeah, he was a meth guy all along, I think.

Yeah, then he always has weed as like his base, but he sprinkles

periods of a lot of meth use in there also.

Yeah, you know, you got to put it on there like a

walnut on a Sunday.

Yeah, it's one of those deals.

So he used that all the way from like 1990 to 2004.

And then he really picked up after that.

He was like, I like this meth.

I got to get into that.

From 2004 until 2022, when all this is happening, by the way, the kids are dating and all that kind of thing.

He's using at least three times a week.

18 years.

constant three time a week mess meth use.

And if he says three times a week, it's probably five.

Yeah, so or five days a week anyway.

He has a pretty good criminal record, Larry.

He's been to prison a couple times for assaults and thefts and, you know, meth stuff.

Jimmy overlooks it.

Stuff for meth.

Yeah, well, I mean, it's his buddy.

What's he going to do?

You know what I mean?

And I think the kid's nice, so it's not

the kid's fault.

He was arrested for hunting with the aid of a motor-driven conveyance.

So shooting shit out your window is what he's doing.

Or running them down.

Something.

That's not really hunting.

I think that would be just

hunting.

Yeah.

That's a slaughtering, right?

That is.

So, and I found out, by the way, they do have

these like mounts that go right on your car door.

That's so crazy.

A rifle on.

You have to buy them from like Australia.

Yeah.

I assume it's to like, you know, shoot an emu or something.

Well, it's because your car seat's much more comfortable than a deer blind.

I suppose.

Put it to the side.

It doesn't look comfortable.

Plus, if it runs this way, you're going to do it.

There's not a lot at that point.

There's not a lot.

It runs around the front of the truck.

Yeah, that's a woo-hoo.

Hey, hey, you come back here, goddamn it.

Get back in my sight.

So, yeah, he gets that.

He has a problem with spotlighting and headlighting, which I think is the same thing.

I think he was putting a headlight on a deer so it would stay still and then shoot it out the window.

That's fucked up.

Yeah.

That's why it's a crime.

That's cheating.

It's not really sporting at that point.

So he was put on probation for five years for bringing meth into the county jail in 2019.

He got arrested for public intoxication when they searched him.

They didn't find it and he didn't say he had it.

And then, once you get to the jail, now you're in trouble.

That's why they ask you: if you have anything, you have to tell me now.

Because if you get to the jail, it's an extra charge.

And this guy was like, I'm good.

They ain't going to find it.

Well, he's also shit face public intoxication.

And in Oklahoma, I feel like you really got to be hammered.

Because if you're just on some beers, they're going to be like, oh, yeah.

Hey, you just had some beers.

That's so fucked up.

That's normal.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

They yell boomer sooner at your shows over and over.

We've been there.

He had to,

he told a county deputy at the time of his arrest that he, quote, used a little meth to get him going in the mornings.

Oh.

Yeah, you know, some people like coffee or orange.

Culture stopped working.

And he was like, no, I don't think so here.

Built up a tolerance to the Pete's coffee.

You know what I like?

Meth.

I mean, Starbucks has that one that really is like a hardcore.

This is reliable as fuck.

He moved from coffee to espresso and then like, there's got to be a more efficient way to do this.

I know.

Meth.

Yeah, I can't smoke coffee.

Yeah.

So as of July 2022, 2022 jimmy is operating his uh his frame and body shop in ada

and he actually decides to hire larry really which seems like a weird thing to do i'm gonna hire my meth addict friend yeah

all i mean he could be good but i feel like that's like tools are gonna come up missing yeah if you got a meth addict around it's only a matter of time before they're probably gonna start up where's the slide hammer oh i don't know i don't know somebody must have

jesus christ is that sure nobody broke in here or nothing?

This is crazy.

So he said, okay, I'll hire you.

Yeah.

I guess he needs work and he's his, you know, son's girlfriend's father and he's his friend since high school.

So he's like, fucking, that's a good guy to hire to tear shit down, though.

He might be good.

I don't know.

You know, who knows?

So either way, Larry is supposed to start working for Jimmy on July 11th, 2022.

Correct.

That's a Monday.

Yeah.

So before that, though, that's July 11th on Monday's work.

They got a weekend ahead of them.

You bet.

And they're going to go out noodling that weekend.

Yeah.

Go and noodling.

Now, if you don't know what noodling is.

That's not head chef at the olive garden.

No, it is not.

Noodling.

It's not that.

It is crazy.

No, it's crazy.

I would rather work at the olive garden than do this.

And that's saying something.

It's a wild choice.

It's fucking crazy.

If you've never seen it, hillbillies.

go into the water and stick their arm in a big fucking hole and hope that a giant fish bites them.

Fingers crossed, it's a fish.

Yeah, you pull it right out of there.

Who fucking, whose idea?

I don't got money for VASPR.

That's all right.

You got arms.

Just stick it on in there.

Well, how are you going to get the ones that are there in the earth?

I go fishing.

That's just in the water.

What if the ones have burrowed themselves deep into the earth?

How am I supposed to get them?

Stink bait ain't working.

You just stick my arm in there and hope it latches on.

I suppose those fish that are that big would take bait that's fucking giant anyway.

And you can't, if you don't have a pole and don't have a cow, I would also

like a Lake Placid situation.

You don't want to use your baby.

That's a giant mouth on that fish.

Yeah, but you can, you can, I mean, even like in the ocean, you catch a big, giant fish on one little hunk of fish, but it's the matter of having a line that's strong enough and a hook that's big enough and all that kind of shit.

So, and usually, too, if you're in like a pond,

you know, the fish that you're going to catch out in the water is a way different tackle.

and probably bigger bigger test on this on this arm i think so i want to

stick my forearm piece of string

yeah get me some invisible damn strength unbelievable so they start uh that's that's how they're going they're going noodling on july 9th just handing throwing their hand down a hole jimmy asked larry if you want to go noodling and larry said well i mean i'm a fucking alcoholic method of course i want to go noodling of course i want to stick my arm in a hole and let a fucking monster latch onto it obviously they are monsters duh yeah so yeah jimmy is real good at noodling too there's all sorts of pictures of jimmy with his son with these massive these massive catfish they're huge because that's what it is that's the fish that we're looking for they bury in the end themselves in the in the dirt there there's not a trout no that's where they lay eggs and in there

i think that's what they're doing in there but hiding so that's why they're pissy when you come in too i think

while they'll bite you yeah that's why they bite you and that's what you want for some reason some of these fuckers have videos where they have like blood streaming down their arm because these things are

they have ridges in those legs.

Not only that, also in the in the hole you're sticking in, there's little rocks sticking out.

I mean it's not a perfectly smooth mud hole.

I mean you're gonna and then you're wrestling with this thing.

There's a lot going on.

Knocking the arm back and forth.

And you can't see shit.

No.

You're just

a visual vague.

You're looking up at the sky like feeling around for the bolt under the fucking oil pan, changing the oil.

Imagine examining a prostate from another room, like through a glory hole.

Imagine that.

That's what you're closing your eyes and just hoping that.

I think, hold on, back up further into it.

Like, that's basically what you're doing.

I think you're too deep.

Yeah, you are.

That's not the prostate.

Fishing for prostates at this point.

So, Larry said that before going noodling, that Jimmy had a phone call with someone.

Okay, now, Larry, keep in mind, he's been doing meth a long time.

Yeah, this is like 30 plus years of Methuse,

which will make your brain into fucking tapioca pudding at some point.

Chemical resin.

It's not good.

It's not good.

Just some rural Oklahoma fucking home meth.

It's not homebrew.

If you cracked your head open, it'd smell like epoxy in there.

It's not good.

Jesus.

It's not good.

Epoxy and caulk.

Cocking.

What?

It smells like caulk in here.

Yeah.

Yeah.

What do you think?

I said, caulk?

Yeah.

Sour chemical.

No, no.

Yeah.

Cock from your wall.

So Jimmy had a phone call with someone, Larry didn't know who, and walked away from Larry to talk on the phone.

You know, like people do, because it's probably rude to.

Well, it's also rude to just come and have this conversation with someone else in front of you.

You go walk away and do your thing.

Now,

Larry said that Jimmy, though, would occasionally look over his shoulder.

Okay.

Yeah.

See, both of us are like, and

but Larry didn't say and.

Larry said, you motherfucker.

He's suspicious as shit.

Yep.

He had made him real suspicious.

He's like, you, what's he doing?

What are they planning?

He's planning something against me.

That's what it is.

He's plotting.

Okay.

So they stopped at the Merriman Country Store in Allen to get some beer around lunchtime on July 9th, 2022, a few hours before they go fishing.

You got to get supplies.

I mean,

the first one.

Yeah, you don't need bait or

anything of lures.

You got your

arm?

All right.

That's one arm to stick in a a hole.

My other arm needs a beer.

That's how that works.

Boom and boom.

Cup holding arm.

Yeah, I feel like you got to get some liquid courage in you to just be like, I'm not doing that sober.

Fuck no.

No way.

No way.

I want meth and beer if I'm going to do that.

And I don't like either one of them real.

I like beer, but not meth.

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The idea of just

a black hole full of filth water and you're just going to jam your hand in it.

It's all like mud water too in there.

It's gross.

It's you're out of your mind.

You have to like feel around for a hole and then put it in and hope there's no like snapping turtles in there too.

I hope it's that and not a gator.

Who the hell?

Yeah, who knows?

Well, I don't think there's gators in Open.

No, but you know, it could be anything.

People do it in Florida.

Oh, yeah, no.

Absolutely.

Yeah, but that's Florida.

It's it.

You have to understand that.

Sometimes you get a gator.

Yeah.

And then you get new boots.

And then, you know, sometimes you get a gator and you get a new prosthetic that week.

That's all right.

You get a prosthetic and a belt.

Same day.

Not bad.

I don't think you're getting the gator if it takes your arm.

Yeah, I got another arm.

Yeah.

So there's a woman there named Rochelle Spray, and she's the cashier and cook at the country store here.

She said that Larry appeared to be under the influence of something by lunchtime.

A little meth to get him going in the morning.

You know what I mean?

He was looking around the store, and this was so much.

These two came in together, Jimmy and Larry, but Larry was acting so squirrely that the employees actually talked to Jimmy and they were like, he's acting weird.

You should keep an eye on him.

Your pal's nuts.

That's think about how nuts you have to act to go to the person he's with and be like, I'm worried for your safety.

Like, you should keep an eye on him.

He's crazy.

He may have done this gradually and you haven't noticed, but

sight unseen, and now he's behaving like this.

This isn't normal.

This isn't normal.

She recalled that Jimmy just, quote, just kind of giggled about her, you know, because that's Larry.

Oh, that's all Larry meth mouth.

Don't worry about him.

He's been acting like that since.

That's my buddy-in-law.

I've known him a while.

He's been acting like that since the first Bush administration.

We ain't real worried about it.

It's fine.

So they're heading to the South Canadian River.

That is in

Oklahoma.

Very extreme South Canadian River.

Very much South Toronto here.

So they go there to fish.

And then when they're done fishing,

Larry just comes home.

No.

But he doesn't have Jimmy.

No.

No.

All by himself.

All by himself.

And Laramie and Air Ryan, Aaron, were there and they were like, how's it going?

how was noodling i was fine where's jimmy yeah i don't know i don't know yeah so they're just there they were all at jimmy's house and uh he returned from the river with jimmy's pickup truck oh which is uh

yeah he pulled in your dad's not here though and and aaron said i i said where's my dad and he said quote he's not coming back

details maybe

a little suspicious yeah he's he's stuck in a hole he was pulled into a hole

He went noodling and he got noodled.

We're going to chalk one up to the catfish today.

Sucked him like spaghetti.

Sucked him all the way in.

Out at the Olive Garden, where I'm a noodle shit.

Bottomless Jimmy.

Bottomless Jimmy.

That's what's going on down there.

So anyway, that is what's happening here.

So they're obviously a little freaked out by that.

He's not coming back.

Why?

So they don't understand it.

They call the police because they're like, we got to find our dad.

All he'll say is he's not coming back.

So we got to get to the bottom of this.

So they arrest Larry on an outstanding warrant because he's obviously got outstanding warrants.

He's a fucking 30-year meth addict.

He's got a warrant for something at some point.

So at that point, apparently he told his daughter that he killed Jimmy also.

So that's interesting.

He tells Laramie about that.

So the sheriff who arrested Larry on the warrant said that he, quote, seemed to be under the influence of illegal drugs.

Seemed to be.

Seemed to be.

He's also just, you know, Larry's always under the influence.

Now, the funny thing is, is his outstanding warrants were for unpaid fines.

Oh, he just doesn't pay shit.

That's it.

So here's from the report when they arrested him.

Sanders appeared to be under the influence of an illegal drug.

And when asked what was going on, he was unable to give an accurate story and was all over the place.

I asked if he had gone to the river with Jimmy, and he stated he said he did state he did.

That's how the guy wrote it in the report.

He did state he did.

Wow.

He stated.

He did state he did.

Wow, that's confusing.

Very alien.

Very.

Yeah.

What planet are you from?

Just write like a human being.

So we understand.

I hate when they write reports like that.

Take it easy, Yoda.

Christ, yeah.

What are you trying to do?

I asked what happened, and he, again, was jerking around and couldn't stand still and would, quote,

go off about other topics.

So just changing the subject.

Yeah, doesn't care.

You know, meth.

Try to pin a meth head down on something.

Just any conversation.

It could be anything.

Do you like Skittles or the Magna Carta?

You could discuss either one, and it's going to have an equally weird conversation.

Calam laters are going to come up.

Exactly.

When you're talking about the Magna Carta, not even Skittles.

That's the other thing.

It's real weird shit.

Yeah.

The banana laffy taffy's great.

That's good.

Okay, so in 15, you you know, what are we talking about?

So, yeah, he said he did state during the middle of his tangent that someone was dead and that he had killed someone.

So, in all of this, a goddamn Magna Car an hour later, the fucking sons of the pitching goddamn Snickers bars have too many peanuts.

By the way, I killed someone.

These motherfucking Milky Way have no peanuts, but they have too many peanuts.

What do I do?

Holy.

So, this guy at that point stopped asking him questions because he's not a homicide detective and he's like, oh, I don't want to hear any more about this.

Yeah, I'm going to shut the fuck up so this is not non-admissible.

So July 10th, 2022, all right, the Oklahoma Bureau of State Bureau of Investigation responds to a request for assistance from the sheriff's office here regarding a possible homicide.

They're like, we got a crazy son bitch over here.

We got Magna Carta, man.

You should probably talk to him.

Committed to murder.

We don't know what.

I don't know what murder.

It's on you.

So now, what ends up happening is

witnesses that were around that day around the river, they found some witnesses.

They, because Larry had talked to some people, witnesses will say that Larry said that he thought Jimmy was trying to kill him

so he could, quote, sacrifice him to Bigfoot.

Yeah.

To Bigfoot.

Wow.

That's what he was running around telling people.

How much meth do you have to be on?

It's going to be sacrificed to a Bigfoot.

To the Bigfoot.

Yeah.

not just a bigfoot too apparently as a whole we'll talk about there's a whole family of bigfoot it's it's feet whatever however you want to put it

it's weird wow um so larry said because they talked to larry and he decides he's going to talk he doesn't care yeah this this has happened this is some people need to know about right you gotta watch out for the bigfoot out there and yeah anything can happen that's that he believes in them or does he oh i don't know if he believed in them before he did meth that day but you get him on enough meth he's believes in Bigfoot.

Wow.

Not only believes in them, thinks that people can plot with Bigfoot.

Did they nail him down on that it's an actual being or is it?

Oh.

Here it is.

Okay.

He said that after he and Jimmy parked near the river, Jimmy left to go down to the river and didn't take any water with him, just a beer, which is just kind of.

That's fishing.

That's just kind of fishing behavior.

Yeah, that's people who've already had a couple of beers and they're done with water now.

So Larry thought it it was odd that he didn't take any water because it was super hot out.

He was like, that's weird.

That's the number one ingredient in beer.

There you go.

Water.

Also, I would immediately assume that if someone didn't take water, there must be some Bigfoot conspiracy afoot.

That's the first thing I would think of, honestly.

He doesn't have any water.

I bet Bigfoot's got water for him down there.

So Larry said that he grabbed some water and sports drinks from a cooler.

And then when he was ready to go to the water, Jimmy was already about a quarter mile away from him

okay

damn he's moving

this is the other this is amazing now i don't know if i've never done meth no so i feel like meth might screw with your internal clock you're really just all substances you know yeah yeah i feel like meth might really like because it speeds you up so maybe something that you thought was an hour was really five minutes or the other way around.

I don't know.

It's just like the hand of God comes down and just spins the dial and walks away.

Walks away.

And also spins you around a bunch of times, like before you pin the tail on the donkey and you're walking around poking your grandma in the tit with a fucking

donkey tail.

It's 3.30.

It's 3.30.

So weird.

So, yeah, he said that he was already about a quarter mile away, which he thought was strange because he didn't think that Jimmy had enough time to get that far away.

He sat and contemplated.

He said, Jimmy did some magical shit to get a quarter mile away.

He can teleport, but he's just going to do it to get to the river further, not to get out of this area and, you know, go wherever the, I don't know, wherever you want to go.

so he didn't think he had that much time so Larry said that an area of rocks yeah where there are the way he put it American Indian carvings

and he said

wow he indicated that he felt uncomfortable because he didn't want to disrespect the area which he felt was sacred yeah he's got a lot of different thoughts swirling I mean your friend can teleport let's not worry about carvings at this point let's worry about that also those are generally protected they've got like fences and and stuff around them.

I mean,

they don't just let you walk up and touch them.

Maybe in Oklahoma, there's so many of them.

They're just willy-nilly.

They don't care.

Or it says Tom loves Jenny, and he's like, damn, the natives had our names.

He goes, native love is beautiful.

It's beautiful.

These people, a simpler time, they really did.

The Choctaw had great names.

Man, that's wonderful.

Damn that Andrew Jackson taking them away from here.

Choctaw.

Bringing him here.

You know.

So Larry described that there was a tin horn above the rocks, which he said there was no reason for it to be there as it if it had no purpose to be there, but it's there anyway, a tin horn.

Like blow through.

Okay.

Larry then described seeing a man who appeared to be a National Guardsman.

Yeah.

Okay, now this is from 50 to 100 yards away.

So whatever uniform it is, I don't know how the fuck you can identify it from 75 yards away.

I don't even know what it looks like if it was standing.

That's what I mean.

There's a National Guardsman.

All right, sure.

Looks like a soldier to me.

He said the man was dressed in military fatigues, which means why National Guardsman did you pull out of your ass?

But he said it was a National Guardsman.

He was about 50 to 100 yards away down the river.

So now he's looking around.

His buddy teleported.

There's a tin horn that don't belong there.

Tom loves Jenny.

And now we got an army man, too, down here.

So real suspicion.

And he doesn't want no water.

Did he like

glitch out like the, you know know what I mean?

When you

to get to where he was real fast?

Maybe, maybe.

You know what?

Anything's possible.

You'd have to go, I'm on drugs.

That's what I'm saying.

How do you've done meth for how do you do it?

Yeah.

His brain is so fucked up by this point that he doesn't even have, he doesn't go, I'm on drugs.

Like, I've been on acid when I was a teenager and went, you're on acid.

You did this on purpose.

Chill out.

Everything's fine.

You like this.

This is why you paid $5 for this.

You know what i'm saying whereas if my brain was completely warped i might not be able to make put those thoughts together

paid five dollars for this privilege unbelievable

so anyway he said that at that point oh my god after all this stuff you take stock he said that jimmy was on at the top of the rocks and then jimmy howled while standing close to the tin horn, not into the tin horn, but howled.

Yeah.

A big howl for some reason.

reason, a big call, which Larry described as Jimmy, quote, just a wailing, just a wailing lung full of air.

You know, a howl.

The call of the wild.

The call of the wild.

So Larry indicated at that point he was scared

of what was going on.

Who's calling for it?

Well, that's what I mean.

Who's he summoning?

He said that, why would Jimmy do something like that?

So he's like, I don't understand it.

So Larry crossed the current of the river and got back on the sand on the other side.

So Larry said that at that point, Jimmy got back in the water near a pipe of some sort.

Yeah.

And

Jimmy told him that there's fish in it, in the pipe of some sort.

There's fish in here.

Stick your arm in.

Let's grab it.

They're noodling.

So at that point,

do you just go, okay, there's fish?

That's what we're here for.

Or do you just assume it's a conspiracy?

Now, Larry says at that point, Larry looked and saw a black creature.

Oh.

A Sasquatch.

Yeah.

There it is.

There it is.

12 feet tall.

12 feet tall.

A 12 foot tall Sasquatch,

45 to 50 yards away.

This is my favorite part.

Quote, with its toe in the water.

Just one.

It doesn't like when it's too cold.

It's testing it.

It's testing it out, making sure.

Bigfoot is picky when it comes to water temperature.

He likes it nice and warm if he's going to...

take a fucking bathe, take a little bath.

If you see something that feels weird, say it out loud in your head yes or you say that's a 12-foot high sasquatch but when you're methy you're like yes that's there's a 12-foot high sasquatch with his toe in the water no there isn't no there isn't is that near the army guy or is that on the other side by the way is are they in cahoots just say it out loud man is bigfoot in cahoots with the government in some way is that what's going on here what kind of conspiracy do we have we have so he said that the creature's face was obscured by some leaves on an oak tree limb because it's 12 feet up there

yeah yeah yeah but But still, he was there.

When asked if he told Jimmy about the creature, did you warn your buddy?

Tell your buddy?

Yeah.

He replied, quote, I'm pretty sure he was aware of it.

He called him.

Wouldn't you go, Bigfoot, and run as far as you can in the other direction?

Like real fast?

I don't know how fast those things are.

Get in the water.

He's scared of it.

He's only got his toe in.

He's putting his toe in there.

He doesn't swim well.

He believed, he said, at this point, that's why Nighton yelled, why Jimmy yelled by the tin horn, was to summon the Bigfoot.

Yeah, he called him.

He knows how to do it, obviously.

I mean, he speaks it.

Talk about a wildlife expert.

Oh, boys, fluent.

Summon Bigfoot.

So Larry explained that he saw two other creatures, also Sasquatches.

Oh, the fam.

Yeah, I mean, they don't travel alone.

It's dangerous.

That's what I mean.

That's what I'm saying.

Someone will noodle you right out of there.

Sasquatch, we're going squatch noodling.

So he said they were further up the hill

beyond the rocks.

He said one was dark red and the other was brown.

Recessive Jeans.

Yes, we got a black Bigfoot, a brown Bigfoot,

a dark red bigfoot.

Yeah, a nice Irish Bigfoot there.

He's doing well.

He's got all colors.

So three big feet in total

we have here.

Plural.

Plural.

Big feet.

So Larry believed that all of this, now this is when he started putting it all together.

Bigfoot, military guy, howling, other Bigfoot, more bigfoot.

It's an ambush.

He said the phone call

that Jimmy made early.

I don't know if he was calling.

Hey, what's up, Squatch?

Yeah, what's up, man?

We'll be out there a little while.

I'm going to set my boy up.

You'll hear me.

I'll howl for you.

Don't worry about it.

I'll do the Yodel.

Yeah,

I won't call you because I want to hear the ringer.

So go ahead and turn your ringer off or something.

You can leave it at the cave.

What the fuck?

So I don't know how a phone call would factor into summoning Bigfoot.

I guess he called the National Guardsman to open the cage and let him out.

Let the Bigfoot out, maybe.

He said, but the phone call, the man in the military fatigues, the howling, the tin horn, the Sasquatches, and a bunch of other weird shit, like him transporting, teleporting a quarter mile in no time at all.

These are all part of what he called some sort of setup.

Yeah.

Shit.

Whoa.

Now that I say it out loud.

Oh, no, he's still.

He's still on it.

He's still in it.

He's still in the he's calmed down, and it doesn't matter.

I think his brain is cooked, man.

The epoxy's not working.

No, no, the caulk is brought up.

The epoxy caulk is running.

It's running.

So imagine you are the cops sitting there listening to this.

Yeah.

Really?

Is that right, man?

Three big feet, huh?

And so was the military.

Okay, so the military guy, that's all.

This is all.

Okay.

You just want to make sure this is all one part of one big block.

This is going to be a fun defense.

So it's all some sort of setup.

Yeah.

So Larry said that there were other people on ATVs down by the river

and that Jimmy had started walking in that direction instead of walking toward his parked vehicle.

Oh, so obviously it's a conspiracy.

Yeah.

Larry indicated that after he attempted several times to get Jimmy to turn around and head back to the truck, he became very suspicious of why he's walking in a different direction.

Is he trying to lure me into some Bigfoot trap, obviously?

So Larry at one point said he pushed Jimmy and told him, let's turn around and go to the truck.

Yeah.

He said, because they had a, they were planning to go home and have a barbecue.

That was the, that's why the kids were there.

They're going to have a

fry up those nuts.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They never know.

So he said that Jimmy laughed it off and kept walking.

Okay.

Because he was probably acting crazy and methy, and Jimmy was probably be like, that's all right, bud.

Yeah, don't worry.

Get in the truck.

Yeah.

Anyway, so Larry said at some point they turned around and walked back to the truck.

Yeah.

Okay.

Well, this is anyway.

Before that, though, after he laughed, Larry indicated at one point he picked up a willow switch, so stick off a willow tree, and stuck, it struck Jimmy once or twice.

And Jimmy told him, cut that out.

Knock it off.

Why are you hitting me with a stick?

That ain't right.

So then at some point, they turned around and walked back toward the truck.

But after what he called a long period, which could be two minutes, it could be three hours, we'd have no fucking idea at this point.

His frame reference time is fucked up.

It's all messed up.

Larry asked Jimmy where the truck was, saying, we should have already gotten to it.

What circuitous route are you taking me on away from the truck?

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He said, Larry then said that Jimmy turned around and knocked him to the ground.

Oh.

Just started attacking him.

Yeah.

Jimmy did.

Meanwhile, he's laughing off crazy shit.

He's not attacking this guy.

So yeah, Jim, Larry said, quote, he attacked me.

Okay.

So he said that they wrestled on the ground for quite some time and that Jimmy had had Larry in a chokehold on two occasions.

Yeah.

Must be not very good at it because he kept getting out of it.

So Larry indicated at one point while Jimmy had him in a chokehold,

he put his hands behind his head and attempted to gouge Jimmy's eyes out.

Okay.

He had him choked, so he greeted behind him and tried to gouge his eyes out.

Okay.

Larry indicated that Jimmy then let go of him, and Larry then put Jimmy in a chokehold until Jimmy quit moving.

See how you like it.

See how you like getting choked out.

So Larry said that, yeah, he's doing that.

He said that

it was all about the Sasquatches, man.

They go, why'd you do that?

He goes, he was setting me up with the squatches.

So he choked him out.

Yeah.

Well, he said that, and they go,

why would you do this?

And he said, well, this is what I think think was going on.

Now, obviously, Carter Law and everything, y'all will figure it out.

But I think this is what's up.

He said that he thought Jimmy had planned to drown him and then float his body down the river to the Bigfoots.

To the Sasquatch Village.

So they can eat him.

Oh.

But the Bigfeet don't like to, they don't like to hunt like a tiger.

They just, they want a corpse pre-killed that they can just eat.

It's also a pain in the ass to carry it.

So if you just float it down, it's much easier.

Yeah, we'll pick it on up.

That's what they do.

That's how they get food.

Marinate it in the water.

It's like one of like a like a like an East Berlin food drop from the late 40s or something.

Like, that's what they do.

Float down the river.

That's how it goes.

We'll get it.

He says all that.

Then he says, he sits back in the chair and goes, that's the only thing that made sense.

What?

No?

That's the only thing that made sense.

Okay.

Everybody, I just like to say this now.

Don't do meth, guys.

I know it's cliche by now.

holy shit i know it's cliche by now not to do meth but don't do meth remember reno 911 when he drew a thing this is your brain mike you see this he goes this here this is all see it was all scrambled up that's meth that's what it's doing to your brain right now that's what's happening this is holy fuck so anyway this is crazy now he said yeah i they said describe the big feet again he goes biggest one was 12 feet tall he was black red one fucking brown what do you want from me jesus christ how many more times i've done get out there and find them they probably they're part of this.

So he said, I kept him in a chokehold until he stopped breathing.

And he said, while he was doing this, all the big feet were watching.

So this is like a performative thing.

Like, you know, this is like your first day in prison.

I mean, they could.

What do you want, motherfuckers?

They're probably pretty happy.

We don't care which one.

Just float one.

No, but yeah, but they wanted Larry because he's methy and they like that, apparently.

They like the epoxy.

They like that taste.

It gives it a little

texture.

Yeah.

So Larry said, yeah i did that and the big the big feet watched he said then when he was dead his friend was dead he stood up yeah and raised his hands up yeah to quote show them he was the victor got to get big the big foot you have to show them look what i did i'm a winner yep uh okay then he said that he pointed to jimmy and yelled at the big feet quote weak is evil okay I don't know what that means, but that's what he did.

Now they get it.

So then he drew a map and provided provided directions that helped searchers find jimmy's body yeah which is nice he did remember that that's helpful um the oklahoman newspaper reported that larry cooperated with police and drew the map and said uh quote they said later on the police this area is very wooded and there's a lot of small brush and large trees it was a difficult search to conduct and a large area to search right because he didn't know exactly where it was i mean also point towards the water and we'll find the footprints of these things probably all over yeah where the figures?

Where were they?

Yeah, well, they cover their tracks up.

They're smart.

Do they?

As they go, they go back.

They walk backwards and cover them back up again, like the kid in the shining when he's running from Jack Nicholson in the snow.

He's going to cover his tracks.

Drag a sand trap rake with him.

All big feet have a sand trap rake.

That's what they use.

Everyone knows that.

Fix and divots.

So the police report says,

I love hearing this in police report lingo.

Larry advised he believed Jimmy was trying to get away from him

so that the Sasquatch could eat Larry.

Larry, this is in a fucking official document somewhere in a file.

Larry would not let Jimmy get away.

Larry punched Jimmy and struck Jimmy with a stick.

Larry and Jimmy fought for an extended amount of time on the ground.

Larry confirmed he killed Jimmy by choking him to death near the river.

Larry even,

so yeah, this is ridiculous.

So

now, Oklahoma, by the way, you might go, what the hell is going on here?

Oklahoma really wants Bigfoot to be real.

That's the thing.

This is not helped by this.

Okay.

An Oklahoma state in 2021, so the year previous to this, a dipshit in the state legislature introduced a bill

to establish, quote, Bigfoot hunting season.

Hey, you have no problem.

The state must be perfect.

If you have time to do that, the state must, all the schools are perfect.

The hospital,

the roads better be opened.

There is not a fucking pothole,

in your entire state.

All the kids have like lunches and they're learning everything.

Your tornado alert system must be top-notch.

And you've built an underground,

you've built an underground city for people to go to when it's a tornado.

Like, that's when you start worrying about Bigfoot Artists.

There's a Nordstrom underground for people to shop and wait out the fucking.

Oklahoma people, this idiot is using your wasting.

You're paying for this.

You're paying a man to do this.

That's a man that saw Oregon,

Pacific Northwest tourism based around squash and was like, we got to get, that's a billion-dollar industry.

We got to get a chunk of that.

Oh, my.

So what the fuck?

So you're making meth people think there's Bigfeet.

Squash season.

So the bill would require hunting licenses and comes with a $25,000 reward for capture of Bigfoot.

The legislation was meant to increase tourism near the mountains here.

And according to the Bigfoot Research Organization,

the BRO, there's been

the pro.

That makes a lot of sense.

There's been 106 Bigfoot sightings in Oklahoma.

Or just real tall men hunting outputs.

Tall people, a lot of 106 drunk people in Oklahoma or people on meth.

They probably cut down on tall people going out and hunting, though.

If you're over 5'8, don't go hunting in Oklahoma.

Stay home.

You're going to get shot.

Or wear bright colored clothing nothing dark wear like yellow and orange and shit so people know yeah that you're not a bigfoot don't be an idiot

this guy's name is uh rep justin humphrey by the way so i don't know if he's still in charge of anything but stop paying that guy for being an idiot

he said i have some people that i know that are good solid people this is the representative yeah that are good solid people who i will guarantee you 100

have said they have experience with bigfoot you know i that he just said I heard my friend, whenever you say, if someone says, I know people that have told me, it's bullshit.

100% they've said it.

Where are they?

What does that even mean?

Where are they?

That doesn't mean anything.

No.

That's what I mean.

100% they said it.

He said, I will guarantee, they're solid people.

I will guarantee you and 100% that they have experience with Bigfoot.

So you're supposed to just believe it.

They said it.

Unbelievable.

I believe they said it.

I read on the internet there's Bigfoot, is what he just said.

What a dip shit.

We are not promoting killing Bigfoot.

We're promoting hunting Bigfoot.

What's the difference?

Big difference.

Is there?

He said, trying to find evidence of Bigfoot.

Okay.

Okay.

Now, Lowry me and Aaron here, they got to be like, what the fuck, man?

Larry you, Larry Me.

Larry me's got to feel bad.

Terrible.

Oh, man.

My dad killed your dad.

Yeah.

So

she said that her dad told her that he killed Jimmy for trying to feed him to Bigfoot also.

So it's a consistent story.

He didn't just make this up in the...

He's sticking with it.

He was telling his daughter right when it happened when he got home.

He's like, he tried to feed me to a Bigfoot.

I had to do what I had to do.

Whoa.

Yeah.

She said that he was frantic and mentioned something about strangling Jimmy and quote, possibly firing two shots from a pistol.

That's another

avenue.

She also said,

yeah, she said that they admitted getting into a fight over being fed to Bigfoot.

The police said she said that Larry said that him and Jimmy had been fighting on the ground for roughly an hour.

Whoa.

his time

is way off.

He can't fight for an hour.

In the heat outside, nobody has fought for an hour ever.

That's crazy.

That's why, like, Ricky Steamboat and Ric Flair in 89 fighting for an hour.

Like, that's that's why it's wrestling.

In real life, there wouldn't be an hour-long fight.

That's insane.

Someone's going down.

So, that's how wrong his time is in his brain.

And then mentioned something about strangling him.

And they also said something about the two shots from a pistol.

She said that he kept going on and on about, quote, Bigfoot territory.

I was in Bigfoot territory.

What do you want?

Like, they're a gang.

Yeah.

That's where the bloods are.

Shit, I had to pack my heat.

There's BF all over the.

So the district judge rejects his motion for a speedy trial, saying prosecutors need plenty of time to review his psychological state.

You know, because he's claiming that there's big Bigfeet involved.

Right.

So his attorney gave notice that Larry will raise at trial the defense of mental illness or insanity at the time of the defense.

Which, I mean, if you're ever going to bring it up, it should be when you kill your friend because he was trying to feed you to Bigfoot, I feel.

That's a good one.

Yeah.

That's a good one right there.

That's delusional.

He's seeing Bigfoot.

Like, that's...

Wow.

He said,

I guess it's not used a lot in Oklahoma.

Really?

And a forensic psychologist who works in Oklahoma wrote for the,

him and a former prosecutor wrote in the Oklahoma Bar Journal, which is a publication for lawyers, the public believes that the insanity defense is used on a regular basis when it actually is used in less than 1% of criminal cases.

Oh, wow.

You can't just say, I'm using the insanity defense.

The judge has to allow you to use that

because you have to have evidence of that that allows you to.

Otherwise, there's no.

And we're so familiar with it because those are the only ones that get public science.

Public shit, they're usually the craziest cases.

You know what I mean?

The ones are worth writing about.

Totally.

So and this guy will be testifying for the prosecution, the one that said that, though.

Now, if he's found not guilty, he'll be sent for evaluation to a mental facility.

He could be kept there for the rest of his life.

If guilty, obviously prison.

So there's a letter.

Larry's attorney sent.

him a letter advising him of the need to meet with the psychologist and psychiatrist for the defense to help establish his case.

Very simple, straightforward from your legal representative.

Here's a letter.

This is what you have to do.

Very common in every criminal case there is.

Larry insists that it wasn't really his lawyer that sent him the letter, but instead it was an imposter.

Oh.

You know, Bigfoot, probably, I assume, writing it.

Hmm.

Bigfoot in a suit.

Bigfoot.

Just picture Bigfoot like writing a letter.

No, no, say this now.

Hold on.

God damn it.

New page, new page.

So in his letter, he says, Judge, I received a letter.

And by the way, this is in his crazy, methy handwriting.

Oh, look at it.

Look at it.

Oh, my.

It's not straight.

It goes down to the right.

It goes up and down.

It's wavy.

It's half capitalized, half not.

That's awesome.

It is part cursive, part fucking right.

Giant has commas.

All messed up.

Yeah, it's commas.

There will be a pause here.

He may as well have written like a rest symbol from

music.

That is

amazing.

I received a letter at 4 a.m on 9 23 22 appearing to be from my attorney larry ballarack ballarach upon viewing it

i

what is that i'm pro i'm prone

i'm prone that says wow i'm prone to believe it's not from him

you're a judge reading this this is worse than getting Zara Boone letters like this is incredible he has told me in in something that uh all that's to happen and who is to conduct these events, the letter contradicts everything he said.

And misspellings and wordings are on the level of a third-grade intellect.

Attorney Balsarak would not allow such work to be

something bearing his name.

It would be an insult to everything he stands for.

He's all about grammar, Jimmy.

Sure in the fuck.

Information in it is not at all even close to what Balsarak and Investigator investigator Josh.

That's a really

investigator Josh

both personally told me.

I can say with certainty, some, what is this,

strong belief that he did not write at all and has no knowledge of it.

That is a

knowledge is K-N-D-E-G-E, by the way.

Nedge.

Of it.

On these findings, I cannot proceed with any court proceedings until I can confer with Mr.

Balsarak in person.

Sincerely, competently communicated, Larry Sanders.

Yeah, right.

P.S.

Oh, you got a PS your judge always.

The false document or letter from my attorney to me, no actual bearing on court proceedings, requires no filing with the court.

Also, by logic.

Wow, logic with a D.

L-O-D, G-I-C.

And they're saying that he's complaining the lawyer was misspelling words.

They're probably spelled correctly.

He just doesn't know how to spell it.

Logic has a D in it, stupid.

You ain't my lawyer.

Are you fucking kidding me?

Why is there an L in knowledge?

It's ridiculous.

I won't have it.

Novo.

Okay.

By logic of reason and

common sense, almost any

would, almost anyone, and he wrote that down, would rightly assume that to have a jury determine a professional's findings, to have mental health forensics examiner page three for the ps

this is wild ps is longer than the letter did he write this on like a square of toilet paper too the way it's written like which is not the agency that balserac told me in person would be doing the competency test we uh would what the hell would hold a fair degree of psychological aid what the fuck word is that

psychological or

mental i don't know what he's talking about psychological or psychological or wow.

This is when it really, it's all curved to the right.

He really lost it.

He's really getting lazy now.

Finding of this, his mind is unraveling.

Test results to have the jury members with the knowledge

having to decide the results is completely, I got to turn my head, incompetent in

his self.

Furthermore, Bel Sarak would not bother filing a letter

of communication only that he taught.

I don't even know what sentence that line is on.

Is it this one or this one?

Necessary, not even close.

Information.

Swinging them.

Necessary is a hard one.

That's one I've always had a problem with.

I don't know why.

There's always a word your brain doesn't like, and that's necessary.

C's and S's doing the same thing.

But there's no C's at all in this one, so I know it's not right.

It's all S's.

It is an insult to the intelligence of anyone involved.

You're saying you killed the guy because he was sacrificing you to Bigfoot.

You're talking about insulting intelligence,

Especially the less than intellectually capable imposter who wrote up this fake of a supposedly legal logistical.

Joke of a supposed to be legal

some shit.

I don't know.

The entire four-page letter confers only two issues relevant to anything.

One of them is not even correct to what Bal Sarak has done.

That's amazing.

It's a poor attempt to appear like a legitimate letter for my attorney.

This is the PS.

Yeah, it's on his letterhead and everything, but that doesn't mean shit.

Actually, in reality, it's illegal, fraudulent, criminal act against the law in every way.

Communication of this has been made with the outside family members capable of overseeing the prosecuting.

Nope, that's not how you spell that.

There's no, that's not where an I goes.

of the responsible party.

With all due respect and honesty, it's this.

He signed it twice.

He did.

He signed the letter, PS'd it, and then signed the PS.

Because he realized, fuck, I just wrote another letter.

Oh, my God.

We We also have his

commissary items.

He bought boxer shorts, white socks, ramen Picante chicken soup.

Picante.

Yeah, not bad.

Beef ramen soup, honey bun glazed, nutty bars.

Those are good.

Yeah.

Those are fucking good.

Chocolate cream cookies.

Yeah.

Likes his junk food.

This guy does.

Cheese and peanut butter crackers, saltine crackers, all-energy trail mix, beef summer sausage, five ounces.

He is legit loaded.

Fruit punch mix single, cherry mix drink single, sun kissed grape singles, Lay's Classic one ounce.

All of that's $60.

That's $60?

$60, bro.

Fucking markup.

Oh, man.

Then more nutty bars and more.

He ought to have reordered a bunch of food.

Now, the trial, he waves his right to a jury trial.

He goes, they won't understand.

The judge, he'll understand.

He'll get it.

He's all dressed in black up there like a Sasquatch.

He'll know what's going on.

So during the openings here, the prosecutor described Jimmy as a, quote, good old country boy who went fishing with his friend at the river and never came back.

Larry Balserak, the real one,

this imposter attorney, contends he did not form, Larry did not form an intent to kill because he's delusional and crazy.

Laramie and Aaron testify that he came home and kind of told them what happened and said he's not coming back.

Other witnesses also testified here that

during one day of testimony, they got testified that Larry is a user of drugs, including meth, and that the Bigfoot rhetoric was more.

Apparently, this wasn't new.

This didn't come up.

Lately, he's been talking about Bigfoot all the time.

He's been on a kick.

Yeah, and they said that it really gears up when he's under the influence of meth.

That's when he really starts talking about Bigfoot.

Whoa.

Not really interested in Bigfoot until the meth kicks in.

Then he's like, these big feet are out to get us, man.

My uncle talked about the hailbop comet, but when he got drunk, it was all about hailbops.

That's what I'm saying.

Yeah, it locks in, locks people in.

He said, I don't recall specifically if if he said that he by the way have you did you get his nikes afterwards or did they go no

i didn't get shit no son of a bitch died under a tree you can get those 96 air maxes or whatever they were he wasn't wearing anything no shit so the detective testified don't i don't recall specifically if he said he had seen them in the past but i do know that he said he saw them this instance for certain yeah

The agent also testified that Sanders believed that the creatures were descendants of Native Americans.

Oh.

He's got a theory of where they come from.

Yeah.

Descendants of Native Americans who had been forced out of their tribes and into the woods long ago.

So they like breeded with a woods creature and formed some super Bigfoot thing.

I don't know what's going on.

The state prosecutor

said that he's a forensic psychologist, and he said that he concluded Larry cannot be considered insane under Oklahoma law.

No, it seems like that's pretty crazy.

Bigfoot's not crazy enough.

His defense, his sister, Ginger Skipper is her name.

Right.

Okay.

Will say that Larry had run out of his mental health medications in April or May of 2022.

So he's been off his meds.

She had attempted to get a refill, but was told that he had to meet with a doctor to get another refill.

So he just said, fuck it, and he's been off his meds for three months.

He testifies.

Oh, yeah.

Awesome.

He takes the stand in his own defense.

Yeah.

Although, but right before he took the stand, he attempted to fire Larry Balserak,

but they didn't let him.

He indicated he didn't feel Larry was representing him adequately.

He also insisted his lawyer should have emphasized further that he believed the investigation into this case was lacking in effort and was shabby.

Okay.

Okay.

Not, you know, not finding the big feet and asking them their opinion.

The judge ruled that he failed to provide a reason for firing his attorney and it continued.

So Larry indicated that he and Jimmy were more like acquaintances rather than friends.

They've been hanging out for over 30 years.

Your kids are sleeping together.

He hired him.

They're more than acquaintances.

He said that Jimmy had offered him employment before July 9th and Larry said he would have started working for Jimmy the following Monday.

He said he killed Jimmy because his friend, he said this on the stand.

Oh, my.

I killed my friend because he summoned the Bigfoot tribe to eat me.

Duh.

What would you have done?

He also said, he said, I was being set up for a sacrifice.

What the fuck, man?

Oh, boy.

He told an agent with the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation that he talked to,

that he talked to, that watching the Bigfoots after he killed his friend and said that weak is evil and that they reacted to that.

Okay, by the way, Jimmy's son is thrown out of court for making a scene, yelling at fucking Larry because he's pissed off.

I don't blame him.

The defense shrink said that he's obviously suffering from serious psychosis from frequent methamphetamine use.

His brain is all mushy.

Yeah.

They said he reported long drug-induced mood disorder and considered to have bipolar disorder and described his beliefs in Bigfoot as delusional, which is what you need to be crazy in court.

They called it methamphetamine-induced psychotic disorder.

Right.

Brain rot.

Brain rot.

Closing arguments here.

The state said, I think we met the burden of proof here.

Yeah.

He said it.

He said it.

He's there.

He was the aggressor and everything.

He hit him with a stick.

So the defense said the state did not meet the burden of proof.

He said that Sanders' belief or non-belief in Bigfoot is not the point here.

It's just not the point.

He said that it indicated long-term meth use made him have delusions.

He said that the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation did a poor job on the investigation, and the agency closed the books on the case as soon as he confessed.

So, as soon as he had the murderer there who confessed to it, it all made sense, that's when they closed it.

They stopped looking for other suspects.

That's a really annoying defense.

That's a fault on their part.

Wow.

They said they should have considered, they should have tested under the fingernails of both men and that Larry should have been tested for intoxicant use after he was arrested.

The prosecution said the defendant admitted to everyone that he would that would listen to him, that he killed Jimmy.

He said he made sure Jimmy went out and he kept him in a chokehold and didn't release him until Jimmy was turning blue.

He then said, I agree with Mr.

Sanders.

There was a monster in the woods that day, but it wasn't Bigfoot.

It was him.

Verdict fucking guilty.

Very, yeah.

By the way, this is not the news broadcast you want.

Man Kills Friend for Summoning Bigfoot is a screenshot from the local news.

She does not look happy that she has to say it.

She looks like she's saying fart right there, doesn't she?

Fart.

oh so yeah they said you have to have malice uh a forethought which means you have to have specific intent to cause the death of another they said we were able to prove that larry caused the death and all this so larry speaks during sentencing oh boy he said he acted in self-defense he blamed the guilty verdict on a higher power and ancient influences this is what he said on the stand oh man he said the truth was ignored he told the judge that he would give him his life i'd give my left arm if i could bring jimmy back that's my noodling arm see it means a lot to me.

He also said Jimmy was a victim of his own actions.

That's so wild.

That's his defense.

Nobody made you do meth, man.

So then he said, then he interrupted as they were reading posts about him from Twitter and during the sentencing.

And he said, what does this have to do with anything?

This is bullshit.

I don't want to hear any of this.

This is ignorant.

Ignorant.

He then called the prosecutor a, quote, stupid bitch.

Yes, as deputies led him from the courtroom.

The judge agreed he could come back.

After he left, the prosecutor explained her point was the legacy that this murder has left the family is Bigfoot jokes.

These poor people have to deal with Bigfoot jokes and idiots like us.

Yeah.

But I feel bad for Jimmy, though.

We're not making fun of them.

It's terrible.

So the judge agreed he could come back.

Sanders said, fuck that.

Take me to jail.

I don't want to hear the sentencing.

They said, options are life, where you'd be eligible for a parole in 30 years.

When he's 85, life without parole.

They didn't seek the death penalty.

Oh, that's nice.

So the judge says, you, sir, may fuck off life without.

Okay.

Yeah.

So his appeal grounds are pretty ridiculous.

Didn't get a speedy trial, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

He's there.

There's a GoFundMe for Jimmy's family, by the way.

They put up, and it didn't raise a ton of money.

So it'd be a nice thing if people could throw a couple bucks on that.

I don't know if it's still active or not, but they have kids and all that kind of shit.

That was in 2022.

It might still be active.

It might still be active.

So check that out.

Come see it.

Watch out for Bigfoot, everybody.

He's out there.

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