#576 - Electronic Murder Bread Crumbs - Longmont, Colorado

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Okay. Let's go on a trip, shall we?

Speaker 1 We are going to Colorado here.

Speaker 1 Lovely place. Lovely place.
We all like Colorado. Pretty.
This is Longmont, Colorado,

Speaker 1 which is a Denver suburb, basically.

Speaker 1 But in Denver, the suburbs are far. Denver is spread out.

Speaker 1 The airport in Denver is like an hour from Denver. So

Speaker 1 everything's far here. So when we say a suburb, it's not like, oh, you could just drive to downtown Denver in five minutes.
This is about 50 minutes to downtown Denver. So it's...

Speaker 1 It's out there. Yeah, it's all out there.

Speaker 1 It's about four hours to Aspen, Colorado, which is not only a beautiful beautiful resort town, but also the location of our last Colorado episode, episode 527, Killing the Princess.

Speaker 1 So that was, I remember that one. That was fun.
This is in both Boulder and Weld counties. The town kind of overlaps there.
Population here is 98,789. And

Speaker 1 it's a suburb, but

Speaker 1 it's very suburby.

Speaker 1 It's not a city. It's spread out.
It definitely

Speaker 1 is downtown. You stick around right out there.

Speaker 1 You keep it central. And even like all the reviews are like this small town, very small town, like everybody, it has that feel.
So it definitely fits.

Speaker 1 Median household income here is $83,104, which is above the national average by almost $15,000. And then the median home price here, it's pricey.
Denver's a pricey market.

Speaker 1 Here it is $535,800

Speaker 1 to live an hour outside the city, basically.

Speaker 1 That is brutal, man. A little bit of history here.
Longmont was founded in 1871 by a group of people from Chicago. Really? Yeah, a bunch of Chicago people.

Speaker 1 It was originally called the Chicago, Colorado Colony. That's what it was originally called.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that is fucking wild, which is insane. These men sold memberships in the town.
They purchased the land necessary for the town hall with the proceeds. That's how they did it.

Speaker 1 They were like, well, it's a long ride to the country club. I would say so, man.

Speaker 1 This This is the first planned community in Boulder County, and the city streets were laid out in a grid plan within a square mile. So it was boring right from the start.

Speaker 1 They laid it out as, this is going to be the burbs, babe. It began to really pick up as an agricultural community after the railroad arrived when they can take the stuff out of there.

Speaker 1 And then who knows? And it developed. I think that's still, I don't know what they're growing.
I guess wheat. That's all I could think of that would grow there.

Speaker 1 So I'm sure there's other shit, but I know wheat is that area. That's the wheat belt.

Speaker 1 Probably

Speaker 1 feeding Coors Brewery. Maybe.
Yeah, no shit.

Speaker 1 But then after that, it kind of became just like a suburb, and that's what it's been since then. So a few reviews of this town to give you an idea of what it's like here.

Speaker 1 Five stars. Longmont is a nice and growing community north of Denver and east of Boulder.
It's a very family-friendly,

Speaker 1 it is very family-friendly with a vast system of parks and running trails. The commute is great, and it still has the vibrate, still has a vibrate Main Street area.

Speaker 1 It vibrates. It vibrates.
Vibrate Main Street

Speaker 1 area

Speaker 1 with a small town feel. Downtown is very popular with the ladies, Main Street.
It is.

Speaker 1 The sidewalks are just

Speaker 1 sitting there. They just stand there.

Speaker 1 They just sit on the ground and look happy. I don't understand it.

Speaker 1 Here's three stars. I grew up here and it's still my permanent residence.
However, I moved away for college. As a kid, there's not much to do here.
There's a lot of issues with teenagers and drugs.

Speaker 1 Gee, I'm sure that's really unique to this area that teenagers do drugs sometimes. Welcome to America.
Jesus. It's like a small town with way too many people.

Speaker 1 Everyone knows everyone and not in a good way.

Speaker 1 Everyone's nosy, is what they're saying. That many people, and we still know everybody.
Still know everybody. So that's what I mean.

Speaker 1 It really feels like a small town from the way everybody talks about it. Fuck is a psycho and enjoys their commute to Denver.
It's a drink.

Speaker 1 It's a nightmare. 50 minutes of bliss, baby.
That's it. I'm going.
I'm getting in my car.

Speaker 1 I can't wait. Maybe all this stop and go.
Maybe they listen to this show and they're excited that they get a chance to hear the whole podcast. They want to hear it.

Speaker 1 I get a whole hour into this thing and then I get to sit down and listen to this on theCUBE. Here's three stars.

Speaker 1 This town is right in the middle, not rural or overpopulated, hot or cold, conservative or liberal. Everything about this town is very average, and that's okay.

Speaker 1 That's okay. I don't know.
I don't know. That person is very easily pleased, I feel like.
Honestly. Easily, easily satisfied.

Speaker 1 And finally, one star, nasty, spiteful, awful people who treat service workers terribly. Don't recommend moving here.
Zero empathy for other human beings whatsoever. And that's all caps.

Speaker 1 Rude and unkind. Well, you already said nasty, spiteful, and awful.
Do you need to add rude? And there's a lot of adjectives.

Speaker 1 Absolutely the worst interactions had in years so that's interesting things to do here um there's a bunch but this is the winter walkabout music showcase i guess they do this every year in the beginning of february so we just missed it um presented by the old flatirons bank it's over 16 venues 60 performances and one all-inclusive ticket

Speaker 1 So you can drive all over town going to see these bands. And I'll give you some of the bands here.
I have never heard of any of these people. No.
So maybe you have. I'm not sure.
Megan.

Speaker 1 Probably contrary. Megan Burt with two T's.

Speaker 1 Not that one.

Speaker 1 That's way too close to butt, by the way. You can't put two T's, right? That's what I was hoping you would catch on to that because I'm like, with two T's, B-U-R-T-T.

Speaker 1 The music industry with the last name that close to Butt? Megan Butt.

Speaker 1 Augustus will be there. Okay.
I'm just declaring.

Speaker 1 Well, he dropped the Galoop.

Speaker 1 Maybe.

Speaker 1 I was thinking he was going to say he was taking over as Emperor. I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 The Black Hole Boogie Band. Hell yeah.
Beats me. Yeah, I don't know what the fuck that is, but great.
Oh, boogie.

Speaker 1 Erica Brown with MJ and the side gig. Okay.
That's too many people. You know what you should do with that many people?

Speaker 1 Get a band name and call yourselves that rather than just name all the people in the band as your band name. Yeah, they don't say John Bon Jovi and Richie Sambora and the backer guys.

Speaker 1 It's not Bon Jovi. All the other guys you don't know.
You pick a name, something catchy. And Erica Brown with MJ and the sky gig is not catchy.
It's not working. The Tribonacci trio.

Speaker 1 Okay. It sounds like some mother that's forcing her three Italian sons to sing.
And they're like, we don't want to sing, Ma. Like, get your asses out there and sing.
And they're like, okay,

Speaker 1 you sing like angels. Get out there.
All right, Ma.

Speaker 1 Annika and the Obsession.

Speaker 1 The Rampart Street Stompers,

Speaker 1 ain't from here.

Speaker 1 All right. Okay.

Speaker 1 Assume that's country. The Mile High Brass Band, Mackenzie Ray and Buckshot Moon.
Okay. This is bad.
Queso Ra,

Speaker 1 like queso ra, but queso like the cheese.

Speaker 1 That's the weirdest.

Speaker 1 So we do, we sprinkle a little Mexican in this. I guess so.
Fox feather.

Speaker 1 She's a Sturtz La Pompe Gabrielle Mervine quartet. I could go on, but I think you get the fucking picture.
Bunch of people you've never heard of. Fucking locals.

Speaker 1 I've never heard of any of these people.

Speaker 1 Yeah, none of these people at all. So there you go.
Banana Bangs. That's a band name.

Speaker 1 Almost rama.

Speaker 1 I'm not sure what's happening there. That said, let's talk about a murder.
Forget these unknown bands that I have never heard of. Let's talk about a murder.
Let's start out.

Speaker 1 This is going to be real recent, too.

Speaker 1 Real recent. October 13th, 2021.
Let's start out. Golly.
Real fucking recent. Yeah, this is crazy.
It is 12.32 p.m.

Speaker 1 in Longmont. Okay.

Speaker 1 9-11 or 9-11, 9-1-1 calls, 9-11, I say, like I live in another country. Some countries say 9-11 when they're talking about.
So do 70-year-old men. My dad says it, and I'm going, stop saying that.

Speaker 1 I looked at it as like, you know, like

Speaker 1 September 11th. And when I saw when I read it in my own handwriting of 9-11.
He's like, if I fall down, call 9-11. I'm like, why do you say that? Why do you say that?

Speaker 1 What are you doing? 9-1-1 is less syllables. It makes no sense.
There's no 11 button, so I'm dialing 9-1-1. What about that?

Speaker 1 So they receive a call, 9-1-1 does, from 2010 Sicily Circle, which is the address they get it from. And it is advising that shots of, they heard shots fired.

Speaker 1 And we'll see from surveillance cameras in the neighborhood that you can hear, I mean, clearly, four shots ring out.

Speaker 1 It's one, two, three, and then a fourth with a pause. Oh.
And it is,

Speaker 1 you know, knowing what happened, it's pretty disturbing to hear these, see these videos.

Speaker 1 So they get a call here.

Speaker 1 Now,

Speaker 1 it's a woman saying that a postal worker was shot at the end of their driveway.

Speaker 1 They said, our mailman has been, someone shot him, and we saw, you know, somebody running away. We saw a man with a hoodie on and a blue mask running away from it.

Speaker 1 A fella chased down the mailman. What do you mace here? The mailman.
What happened? Dude, I mean, I said no more catalogs. Like, what the fuck do you want from this guy? He's the mailman.

Speaker 1 I've got another advertisement for solar. I swear to Christ.
And I had a pain in the ass mailman at one point, and I still wouldn't have shot him. That's a little much.
I can, you know, what do I got?

Speaker 1 A 30-second interaction with him. I can make it

Speaker 1 at most if I have to sign for something. Oh, God, he's got so much work to do.
He's got a lot going on here. So

Speaker 1 this woman is saying, too, like, it's outside. I don't know.
He's outside and my neighbor's out there. So the 911 operator is like, can you please go outside? Yeah, it's

Speaker 1 2021. Take your cordless shit out there.
What are you? You're still tethered to the

Speaker 1 cell phone, but she's saying, I don't want to go out there. I'm afraid to go out there because I don't know if this person's going to come back.

Speaker 1 She said, one of my other neighbors is out there with this postal worker, and you know, I don't know. I don't want to go out there.
So the 911 person's like, you got to go out there.

Speaker 1 I need information. You have to go tell me if this person's breathing.
You have to tell me. Go put that guy on the phone.
Whatever. It's another lady out there, too.

Speaker 1 So there's two like older ladies that are hovered over this guy. So they said a woman, or a man in a dark-colored hoodie, possibly wearing a blue mask, seen running southeast from the location.

Speaker 1 This 911 call is frustrating, too.

Speaker 1 This operator is two seconds away from calling this lady a bitch like it is two seconds the lady on the phone of the 911 operator lady on the phone is pissed at this lady because she's like go over there and look at him is he breathing and she goes like i'll go out there i guess okay and she's so casual about this and she's like oh uh he's bleeding and they're like from where she's like oh i don't know um

Speaker 1 look um from the mouth i guess and they're like okay can you see does he have where is he shot Is he breathing? And she's like, I think he's breathing.

Speaker 1 And then at one, and they're like, well, you should, you need to perform CPR. Can you get down there, check to see if he's breathing and perform CPR? And she's like, I don't know how to perform CPR.

Speaker 1 I'm not, I'm not doing that. And the lady's like, someone's got to perform CPR.
I don't, she's like, I don't care if you know or not. I'll fucking tell you how to do it.

Speaker 1 She's like, ask the lady with you, does she know CPR? Will she, is someone willing to do CPR? This lady would not go near the bot, this man.

Speaker 1 Basically, she did everything but say, gross. Like,

Speaker 1 it's like, dude, help this guy. I understand how messy this is.
Can you send somebody qualified for that?

Speaker 1 If I'm ever shot and killed, and this lady's calling 911, I'm going to be fucking upset because. And then at one point, she's like, no, I don't think he's breathing anymore.

Speaker 1 And he, what? Yeah. And then the 911 operator's like, can you get down and first of all, make sure he's not breathing and then start fucking CPR if he's not breathing.

Speaker 1 That's a real casual ass way to say, I think I just watched him die. Yeah, I think this guy just died in my driveway.
Right. And then she's like, I don't know.
Like, she's like, not do it.

Speaker 1 And the lady's like, ma'am, ma'am. And then she goes, the lady on the other line's like, oh, well, the police are here now, so I'll let them handle it.

Speaker 1 And the 911 operators. Please don't do that.
The 911 lady just goes, yeah, just do that. Just do that.
And hangs up. Like, she's just like, I want to fucking strangle you.
You asshole.

Speaker 1 You're making my job really difficult.

Speaker 1 So anyway, this poor postal worker is shot four times and dies in this neighborhood. Jesus.
In front of a bank of mailboxes. It's one of those neighborhoods that has the banks of mailboxes.

Speaker 1 We're going to stop it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's one of those. And so he's laying there.
He has got three gunshot wounds to the body and a gunshot wound to the face.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 face. I think it was one, two, three to the body and then one to the face after that.
Oh, my. To make sure.
To make sure.

Speaker 1 So this is like someone's really mad about too many publishers clearing house fucking advertisements coming to them. I don't know what's going on here.
The man's never showing up yet.

Speaker 1 Well, he's dead now. He's all dead.
So this was next to a, near a cluster of mailboxes on Heather Hill Street, just west of Renaissance Drive. And

Speaker 1 so they, there's different varying witness statements as far as how many gunshots. Some people heard five, some people heard three.
It's four based on the video that I heard. I heard four.

Speaker 1 So, um, and this is 1232 p.m., middle of the day.

Speaker 1 Middle of the day, yeah. It's the weirdest thing.
So they find that the mail carrier,

Speaker 1 his name is Jason Schaefer, and he's born in 1988, and he has a five-year-old son.

Speaker 1 He's considered a real nice guy. People in the neighborhood talk about how he brings the mail up to the door for like elderly people who can't have mobility problems and shit.
Like real nice guy.

Speaker 1 Everybody says, oh, even as a mailman, he's just a good guy.

Speaker 1 Mail mailman still bringing me other people's mail. I get shit.
Yeah, I get shit from other people all the time, and they know exactly. You know exactly who we are here.
Damn it. You know what?

Speaker 1 The numbers right on the fucking bottom. On the bottom.
Stop putting other numbers in there. So

Speaker 1 after the scene cleared, all the neighbors were all gathered around the whole thing. They all went and got their fucking mail that he just dropped off.

Speaker 1 They were like, well, I guess I got nothing else. So they all went to the mailbox.
Frame it. It was the last one.
That's it. So

Speaker 1 the neighbors, here's one person, said, it's so sad this poor person was just doing their job you're in a peaceful area a beautiful neighborhood you would never think once that this would happen to you she said she's had wonderful conversations with her mail carrier she says i'm really just heartbroken for them just doing their daily job

Speaker 1 One other delivery worker said that he, quote, never really had any encounters on that street or anything like that, and said, it's definitely a shame, too, that this happened, whatever the reason.

Speaker 1 Someone else said, you wouldn't expect,

Speaker 1 you wouldn't expect like your mailman would be hurt. I assume that's the tone of voice that's being said.
Or something would happen to him.

Speaker 1 This is a pretty nice neighborhood, I'd say. So it's just weird that it was right there in broad daylight, too.

Speaker 1 You stuck like in a place where like doesn't belong

Speaker 1 at all.

Speaker 1 So people said that he was known throughout the neighborhood. One guy said he hand-delivered mail to some of the houses because they weren't capable of getting to the mailbox.

Speaker 1 Another guy,

Speaker 1 and then they, so they're looking over this and they think it seems like a pretty personal act.

Speaker 1 Feels that way, yeah. Yeah, it doesn't seem like I'm mad about my mail to shoot somebody that many times in the middle of the street.

Speaker 1 It doesn't seem like I'm mad at my ex-wife. There goes the mailman.
I'll take it on. Yeah, you know what?

Speaker 1 I also don't like him.

Speaker 1 That stupid fucking hat. Is he fucking my wife? That's the only.

Speaker 1 I don't know. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Stupid shorts. They're saying that this seems like somebody who wanted to look him in the eyes when they did what they did.

Speaker 1 They shot him right in the face. So that's really personal.

Speaker 1 Real personal. So

Speaker 1 they describe the person they saw as a man with a hoodie and a blue mask.

Speaker 1 And several cameras around the area caught the shooting and as well as the suspect running through the neighborhood on various cameras.

Speaker 1 You can just put the footage together and make a whole movie out of it.

Speaker 1 People don't realize it's just like that guy, the TELUS guy in Vegas. Remember the guy who was like a city council member who shot one of the other people?

Speaker 1 He's on like every camera. Like, there's his car.
There's him walking to it. There's another.
And you could just connect the camera footage to watch him come in and out of the neighborhood.

Speaker 1 Like, do people not realize that every single house has a fucking camera on it now? Yeah. I don't think they realize.
Like, it's crazy. So

Speaker 1 they all catch that.

Speaker 1 One person here from the police department said one witness saw kind of this shadowy figure standing across the street almost like they were just waiting.

Speaker 1 Like they knew they were waiting at the mailboxes for him to show up.

Speaker 1 Another person said whoever person or they said whoever this person was, they specifically had waited for Jason to be by himself before approaching from across the street.

Speaker 1 This was a strong indicator to us that this was planned.

Speaker 1 Nobody's just hanging out on the sidewalk, and then they're like, I'll shoot the mailman to death. Like that, that's odd.
So these video cameras here,

Speaker 1 they have one that has the shots heard, and I've seen the video. And you hear the shots, and then you see a small dark-colored little SUV traveling westbound on Heatherhill Street.

Speaker 1 So they said it's unknown at the time if that vehicle was involved in the incident or not, but you can see it. You can also see a person running southeast across Heatherhill Street on these.

Speaker 1 on these like towards or away from that car towards the car yeah okay so they said um the one camera here found at 12.06, this is six or 26 minutes before the shooting, that a black Nissan SUV missing the right front passenger hubcap

Speaker 1 was seen driving past the residence, then back onto Summerlin Lane, eastbound toward Renaissance Drive.

Speaker 1 You better not ever commit a car or a murder in a car that is very easily identified. Yeah,

Speaker 1 a distinctive looking car. Get yourself a white.
With missing a hubcap. Yeah, get yourself a white Chevy Malibu with all the hubcaps.
Every rental car on Earth. That's all I'm about.

Speaker 1 So another camera that was on the back of the house, facing, on a back of a house facing west towards Renaissance Drive, got at 12.32 p.m., this video caught a person running southbound from where the incident happened.

Speaker 1 They said the person didn't seem particularly tall and was wearing what appeared to be a long-sleeved dark-colored top with a possible hood and dark-colored pants and a blue face mask. Again,

Speaker 1 so again, a resident here at 2420 Summerlin Court,

Speaker 1 they said that they saw a black SUV, which they thought was maybe a Subaru, backed into an access road to a field at the end of Renaissance and Summerlin Drive. So this is like a whole setup.

Speaker 1 Somebody was waiting. They had a car parked.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this is crazy. So the postmaster arrives at the scene.

Speaker 1 The big boss. Of the area.
I'm sure it wasn't the United States postal inspector general or whatever. I'm sure it was just whoever ran.
I don't

Speaker 1 runs the local post office. He shows up here and right away looks down, sees who it is, and says, quote, did the baby mama do it?

Speaker 1 That's what he said. That's his first statement is, did the baby mama do it? Which is interesting.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Very interesting.
He does have a child, a five-year-old child, with a woman named Devin Rebecca Shreiner, who is a few years younger than him. She is born in August of 1995.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 they had been having some contentious back and forth about custody of the kid.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 the police start their investigation. They say, this is not like a postal.
This isn't business. He wasn't killed over business, probably.
Probably has nothing to do with the post office.

Speaker 1 Real upset about that rate hike in the city.

Speaker 1 Goddamn fucking three cents, really?

Speaker 1 so they look into his personal life and of course his ex-girlfriend who by the way this guy knows the quote baby mama because she also is a post office worker she's a mailman is that right she's also a mail person so okay yeah so they both they met while they were working for the u.s postal service and back in 2013 or something is that a real incestuous group i guess so i mean i think everybody that works together just fucks each other that's just the way it works yeah I suppose.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, I don't know.
I'm not an office guy, and you were in your truck the whole time dealing with like

Speaker 1 linemen and shit. So it probably wasn't the same for us, but I think if you were...
I don't want to fuck them anyway. No, I would hope not.
You want to fuck a dirty guy named Ralph?

Speaker 1 They all got nicknames, they have. Of course they do.
Because their name's Ralph. Nobody wants to go by that.

Speaker 1 So their son was born in 2015, like we said, and then they were not together very long after that. And a little bit on Devin Schriner.
She currently works at the Loveland Post Office.

Speaker 1 He works at the Longmont Post Office, Jason. She's on the other end.
She works at the Loveland Post Office and lives in Fort Collins.

Speaker 1 Jason's mother said Jason wanted a family, so when Devin got pregnant, he was very happy, and we were very happy for them.

Speaker 1 But right after the birth of the son, there was trouble, and apparently he moved out about when the kid was about six months old. He moves out.

Speaker 1 That's a fast relationship

Speaker 1 quickly. Yeah, They didn't even give it a chance to.
We'll get through this first year and see if it gets any easier. He's got a soft spot, for Christ's sake.
For sure.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's on stage one still, for fuck's sake. He's not even getting the little tiny chunks.

Speaker 1 So they break up.

Speaker 1 The mother, this is Jason's mother, said their values were not the same. She did not want to work.
She felt she didn't have to work being a mother, but you need two paychecks.

Speaker 1 Their relationship started to deteriorate and they broke up. Jason tried to get along and co-parent together, and that wasn't working very well.

Speaker 1 So, Jason wound up getting a lawyer to set up a parenting plan.

Speaker 1 Oh, boy, they don't get along at all. As a matter of fact, it's been getting worse and worse and worse.
And we'll tell you a few factors why.

Speaker 1 One is two weeks before this murder, she still worked at the Longmont post office with him.

Speaker 1 She got fired from there

Speaker 1 for getting into a dispute with him at work.

Speaker 1 Holy.

Speaker 1 So that's the fucking thing. She got shit canned from there for, and I guess it must have been her doing the driving of this because she's the one who got fired.

Speaker 1 She ends up moving over to the Loveland post office that week. She gets hired by them.
So she ends up with another postal job, but they were working together as of two weeks ago. Jesus.

Speaker 1 And a postal friend that knew both of them, a postal friend? That's a weird way to put it.

Speaker 1 Sounds like she just mails her correspondence to you.

Speaker 1 They don't call themselves pen pals.

Speaker 1 They should.

Speaker 1 So she said that they knew them, you know, she knew them both, this person, and said that

Speaker 1 Devin had worked at the Longmont Post Office for

Speaker 1 a long time. And the couple's son was the source of tension between the two.
And several years ago, Jason had even filed a restraining order against her because they had surprised.

Speaker 1 Before he got her pregnant, he no, after. This is when after they had kids and after they had the kid and they were broken up and fighting.

Speaker 1 The friend also said he was always concerned about whether or not Devin liked him or if Devin was okay.

Speaker 1 That's what this friend said about him and her. Now, two days earlier before the shooting, so that was two weeks earlier, she got fired and had to go get another job with another post office.

Speaker 1 Two days before he was killed, Jason filed for increased custody of his son. Two days.

Speaker 1 She was just kidding less money. She was just served the day before with the notice for it.

Speaker 1 So that's interesting. A county prosecutor later said in looking at her phone, it was clear that she was served with paperwork.

Speaker 1 She was aware that he was seeking increased custody and time with their shared child.

Speaker 1 That's not good. And then, if that's not enough to cause, and that's enough to cause a lot of strife in a relationship,

Speaker 1 here's the big kicker now. Oh, as of June of this year, for the last few months, Devin's sister, Rosa, has been living with Jason.

Speaker 1 She moved in there with him. They're in a relationship now.
Rosa and Devin hate each other now.

Speaker 1 Clearly. This is not going well at all.
Very bad. He is going to be an uncle daddy.
He's an uncle. Yeah, she's going to be an auntie mommy one of the two.

Speaker 1 This is no good. So Jason's mother said just before the murder, Jason mentioned that his girlfriend Rosa was living with him.

Speaker 1 I didn't think it was a very good idea because Rosa was Devin's younger sister. I told Jason,

Speaker 1 younger sister, too.

Speaker 1 I told Jason, quote, you've opened up a bad can of worms here. Yeah, that's not only a can of worms, they're all rotten in there.
They're all dead. They're rotted and festering.

Speaker 1 They all had like syphilis and shit. These are

Speaker 1 a can of dead syphilitic worms. That's what he's opening.
Does she work for the mailbox people, too? She does not, that I know of. So

Speaker 1 this is fucking crazy.

Speaker 1 So between

Speaker 1 the last two weeks of time and the sister moving in, there's a lot of shit building up here.

Speaker 1 I mean, if she didn't do it,

Speaker 1 she's got all the reasons. I mean, she's the unluckiest person in the world if she didn't do it.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 then they figured out that Devin, they looked her up after hearing all this, they found out that she drives a 2017 Black Nissan Rogue, which is a little SUV, a little black SUV.

Speaker 1 How many hubcaps she got? And she has a missing hubcap

Speaker 1 in her front right, front right passenger hub.

Speaker 1 In the one that we need to be missing. Not good.
As a matter of fact,

Speaker 1 yeah, you can see because they had an automated license plate reader captured the vehicle in May of 2021, and it can be seen missing the right front passenger hubcap on that picture.

Speaker 1 She also has a new boyfriend, also. Her.
Not really new.

Speaker 1 She's been knowing and seeing this guy for a long time. I'll tell you exactly how long because it's pretty gross.

Speaker 1 His name is Andrew James Ritchie. Goes by A.J.
A.J. A.J.
Ritchie. He's a prison guard at Englewood Prison.
Fantastic. He's a CO, so you know, he's a great guy, too.
You never know. So

Speaker 1 they met

Speaker 1 when he was 20 and she was, buckle up, everybody, 13.

Speaker 1 Oh, Jesus. That's that's when they met

Speaker 1 so there's been something going on yuck since this time allegedly that's been going on here so that's interesting

Speaker 1 she just loves she just loves a man in uniform she doesn't give a fuck what the uniform is

Speaker 1 doesn't matter i like a guy with steady benefits okay get over your auto zone

Speaker 1 so the uh this is um one of the people here the police people said they learned that devin shriner was not happy about Jason dating her sister. We know that for sure.

Speaker 1 She had vented to multiple friends, including A.J. Ritchie, about her anger at the situation, including saying such things as, quote, they have a new family now, my son, Jason, and my sister.

Speaker 1 Yikes. Shit.
Yikes. Now, by the way,

Speaker 1 A.J.,

Speaker 1 this is her boyfriend, is

Speaker 1 currently living with his ex-wife and kids.

Speaker 1 And she says ex. I don't know if they're divorced or what, but he lives with them.
And the only time she gets to see AJ for the most part is on Wednesdays because he's off that day.

Speaker 1 And so she'll take her lunch break at his house and fuck him, I guess. That's how that works.
Wow. Yeah, it's wild.
She comes over every Wednesday for lunch. That's her jam.
She is his Wednesday.

Speaker 1 That's terrible. It's crazy.
And their lunches are very classy, as we'll find out too.

Speaker 1 Sure. So they find all this out.
They find out that their son, Jason and Devin's son, goes to the Gateway

Speaker 1 Montessori school in Longmont. So they go and they pick up the kid here

Speaker 1 because they don't want Devin to get the kid at this point because they think she's a murder suspect. So they really don't want to have her have a kid in her possession.

Speaker 1 So they go pick the kid up, and plus that will make her come to the police station if the kid's there. Right.
Yeah. That's what they're trying to do.
Get control of you fast. Yep.

Speaker 1 They call up Rosa, too, to keep basically hang out with the kid at the police station so he's not sitting there with strangers, which pisses her off mightily, as you might imagine.

Speaker 1 And they find out from the school, they get Devin's cell phone number, which then they can get all the information they have.

Speaker 1 So that's what they do.

Speaker 1 And they absolutely get everything from Verizon that they can.

Speaker 1 While at the school, they spoke with Rosa. Now, the detective speak with Rosa.

Speaker 1 And Rosa said that Devin's in a romantic relationship with AJ, and that Rosa said also she's received that Jason has received threats from Devin and AJ

Speaker 1 and has messages and court paperwork at his residence about these threats texts and stuff like that and Devin also threatened that AJ would shoot Jason

Speaker 1 like I'll have AJ shoot you

Speaker 1 okay now so where was she during the murder let's find out that's a good question that's a good question well the postal service here the U.S.

Speaker 1 Postal whatever the fuck here office utilizes all sorts of technology, including GPS

Speaker 1 on all of their scanning devices. They're used for a bunch.
They scan packages. They also constantly report GPS data to USPS servers throughout the day

Speaker 1 so that they can see exactly where you were, exactly what happened, and make sure that you're doing your job. And

Speaker 1 it doesn't just protect the

Speaker 1 customers and people out on the road and it protects you, lets them know where you are at all times. If you get kidnapped, they'll know.
So that's how that goes. And so they're looking with that.

Speaker 1 The scanners require a login to use the device, scanning, they scan their employee ID, which then associates with the letter carrier to a specific device, joins them together.

Speaker 1 During this investigation, they review the scan and GPS records and, you know, related to Devon.

Speaker 1 And they said that when they did that, they found an extended period of time on the day of the shooting where the GPS data indicated the scanner was stationary. Oh, from 11 a.m.
to 1:30 p.m.

Speaker 1 Two and a half hours.

Speaker 1 Two and a half hours,

Speaker 1 it is at her boyfriend's house. It's at AJ's house.

Speaker 1 That's where the GPS says.

Speaker 1 It's a long lunch break. That is a long lunch there, boy.

Speaker 1 So, the activity is unusual as the scanners normally display movement at regular intervals, you know, because you're delivering shit, basically walking, driving. So, they said that

Speaker 1 at approximately 10:15 a.m.,

Speaker 1 the scanner device indicated she headed to begin delivering mail that day.

Speaker 1 And then, like we said, 11 something, it shuts off. And then 1.30, it comes back on.
It starts moving again.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 she was supposed to be delivering mail about 30 miles north of here in Loveland.

Speaker 1 But GPS data from her mail scanner shows that it stalled at AJ's house, like we said, during the time of the killing, an hour before to an hour after. So that's not good.
They said it was 11.06 a.m.

Speaker 1 until 1.28 p.m. The GPS device was pinging in the area of Trade Wind Court in Loveland, more specifically the 3101 Trade Wind Court in Loveland, which is where AJ lives.
Interesting.

Speaker 1 So they said that it's common for a GPS

Speaker 1 device to experience a phenomenon known as GPS drift, which the same device reporting several latitude and longitude combinations, even when stationary.

Speaker 1 So they said

Speaker 1 during this, this, they noticed they observed numerous pings in the area while the GPS device was listing a speed of zero in a direction of 999, which means it's not going anywhere.

Speaker 1 Even if there was a

Speaker 1 it sat somewhere. If it pinged to like two houses away, it's just because of the drift.
It didn't go anywhere.

Speaker 1 So they said at 1.22 p.m., the scanner started moving again, and it returned to the Loveland main postal dock port around 4.31 p.m.

Speaker 1 So she went out and finished her route.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. So that's after her two and a half hour fuck session and tuna sandwich.
Well, we'll find out about that, actually. It's definitely not a tuna sandwich, also, which is hilarious.

Speaker 1 I do like her choice of a lunch. It's pretty good.
All right. So on the morning of, now they got cell phone data, too.

Speaker 1 On the morning of the shooting, cell phone data showed Devin and AJ were both at her Fort Collins apartment before they drove to AJ's home in Loveland.

Speaker 1 At that point, it appeared that AJ took Shriner to the Loveland Post Office, after which

Speaker 1 Devon began her route, and AJ drove into Longmont and began following Jason around on his route. Oh, no.
Yeah, that's very fucking interesting here. They said that,

Speaker 1 and then by the time everything's over, by 5.18 p.m., she's back in Fort Collins, seen walking her dog.

Speaker 1 Okay. So she called at 5.27 p.m., called the Longmont Police Department to speak with a detective who had been, she had heard they were trying to talk to her.

Speaker 1 She said,

Speaker 1 I heard the phone call too. She's very much like an attitude.
Like, I just keep hearing I'm supposed to talk to you.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 they're like, well, you should come down to the station. Something happened with

Speaker 1 your ex-boyfriend or

Speaker 1 your son's father. And she's like, my son's supposed to be with his father right now where is my son

Speaker 1 and he's like well we picked him up and she's like i did not give you permission to pick up my son and they're like well either way he's here so yeah you want to come on down and you know and they're like super calm they're like come on down i'll give you my number and all this and she has she didn't have to get your permission by the way she has the most i'm on hold with customer service attitude of all fucking time it's meanwhile the the father of her child is laying dead she doesn't know they didn't tell her that yet so according to her she's like no one will even tell me what happened.

Speaker 1 And they're like, yeah, it's kind of complicated. So it's kind of an in-person conversation.
We don't really want to get into it over the phone, especially while you're driving.

Speaker 1 You know, you're already clearly upset. Yeah.
Just come down here and be upset with us.

Speaker 1 So she drove her 2007 black Nissan rogue with a missing hubcap to the police department located at 225 Kimbark Street here and parked in the north parking lot.

Speaker 1 Two detectives went and looked through the closed window of the vehicle, and they found they saw a blue face mask

Speaker 1 and a black hoodie that was lined and had a zipper and a drawstring. They're like, okay, well,

Speaker 1 that's what the murderer was wearing. That's interesting.

Speaker 1 We got a uniform in here. Oh, shit.
So they tow the vehicle away to have it processed and everything like that. So where was her boyfriend that day?

Speaker 1 Where indeed? He started following him. We'll find out.
Okay, a search of his cell phone location and data showed his path that matched up exactly with Jason's path the entire time.

Speaker 1 He stalked Jason all morning. Crazy.

Speaker 1 One of the cops said, in watching that, it's almost scary. AJ was on top of Jason almost the entire mail route.

Speaker 1 It looked like AJ had been waiting for Jason's mail truck to leave the post office that morning. Then AJ followed him all around for two or three hours.
Like an FBI agent. Yeah.
What are you doing?

Speaker 1 Fucking private investigator. A rideshare vehicle used by the Englewood prison where he worked as a guard was seen on camera several times following Schaefer's postal van also.
Oh my

Speaker 1 And AJ's cell phone data and GPS data from the AJ, or I'm sorry, AJ's cell phone data and the GPS data from Schaefer's postal scanner appeared to be in the same locations for the entire morning.

Speaker 1 Surveillance cameras detected Devin's SUV, identifiable by the missing hubcap on its passenger side, driving into the neighborhood of the shooting and parking on Renaissance Drive south of the shooting scene.

Speaker 1 Then they.

Speaker 1 This is crazy, right? It's like it's. This is the worst murder.
It's the worst murder ever. You can put it together.

Speaker 1 You can literally make a film out of the cars being followed and people running away. And then you can have next to it running a map of these people following him around.

Speaker 1 It's the worst murder of all time.

Speaker 1 It's been GPS Courtney. You might as well have walked into the fucking police station covered in his blood.
It would be the only other way to look more guilty than this.

Speaker 1 You may as well have handcuffed yourself to a cop and walked him while you did it. Oh, shit.
Hey, watch this. Jesus Christ.
It's fucking ridiculous, man. It's absolutely nuts.

Speaker 1 Another security camera picked up the person approaching the van.

Speaker 1 This is Jason Schaefer's postal van. Then heard the sound of gunshots, then showed the person running from the area in the hoodie and the blue face mask.

Speaker 1 Security cameras then captured the person running south before Devin's SUV was seen again, this time leaving the area. It's not good.

Speaker 1 It's not good.

Speaker 1 Then they found worse shit than that, if that's possible.

Speaker 1 Okay, number one, they found that this is not, this has been going on a long time.

Speaker 1 They found a picture on AJ's phone later from June 13th of that year, so months earlier, of him at 11, AJ took this picture at 11.35 at night outside of Jason's apartment of a picture of Rosa's SUV with her license plate in it.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. And

Speaker 1 they asked Rosa, was there any reason for him to be there? Did he come over to help you guys or hang out or something and take a picture? And they went, absolutely not. No reason for him to be there.

Speaker 1 He was stalking us. So they found, this is from the detective, quote, there was this saved Snapchat photo that A.J.
Ritchie had screenshotted and saved to his phone.

Speaker 1 It showed an individual taking a selfie in a bathroom wearing the exact same outfit the shooter had on. And it's Devin in the picture.

Speaker 1 It's a picture of her taking a fucking selfie of herself wearing her murder outfit and sending it to him and then he like a dipshit screenshots it yeah is this a good murder outfit yes or no

Speaker 1 this is supposed to disappear but i want to hang on to this for posterity and i want to jerk off to this lay a little later on it goes on you're just seeing your eyes it makes me hot

Speaker 1 if that wasn't enough shit to go on yeah there's also an assload of text messages that are really incriminating i don't know if the only thing i can think is that devin thought they'll never suspect me even though I'm the actor

Speaker 1 who's fighting with him at work and has been served with papers two days ago. Because there's no way anybody who thought they'd be a suspect would even do all this.
It's crazy. Fascinating.

Speaker 1 It's like she's never heard of Dateline. It's like she's never seen a lot of people.
Never seen a single positive. In 2021, that's inexcusable.
In 2021, you have to know better, right?

Speaker 1 This is crazy. Never seen a documentary.

Speaker 1 Investigation discovery. It never came in on her TV years ago.
It's not on any. You know, we do make fun of people that Google how to murder.
I do kind of commend somebody.

Speaker 1 At least they tried.

Speaker 1 The Googler at least tried. These people didn't even try.

Speaker 1 This is terrible. I'm so good at this.
Watch this.

Speaker 1 It's fucking crazy. Take one.
I'm a winner.

Speaker 1 From July 8th, 2021, AJ sent Devin a text about, quote, ending Rosa and Jason.

Speaker 1 Wow. Another text, they went back and forth, and he sent one to her saying, quote, you could just kill them both.

Speaker 1 These messages have been sent months ago, and it's fucking crazy. They said they, then Jason had filed for the more time.

Speaker 1 Cell phone data showed that they were on a call, AJ and Devin, for nearly three hours the morning of the murder as well. So, like, the whole time he's, he followed Jason for three hours.

Speaker 1 So, the whole time they're on the that he's following Jason, he's on the phone with her telling her exactly what he's doing. Telling her what he's doing.

Speaker 1 They said we believe he was coordinating with Devin. He was sending information back to Devin about where Jason could be found on the mail route.
AJ's the lookout for Devin. Wow.

Speaker 1 So like we said, she called the investigators about 5.30 and agreed to drive to Longmont to meet the

Speaker 1 investigator shows up in her car with the murder outfit sitting on the front seat like a fucking idiot. She's so bad at murder, this person, so bad at it.
I can't believe it.

Speaker 1 I hope she's a better mailman, or no one has gotten their fucking correct mail in years. This is why she's been fired.
This is bad at this. Crazy.
So she shows up, and the only way

Speaker 1 I can explain this interrogation would be:

Speaker 1 imagine

Speaker 1 imagine you were just like walking through Target, going through the aisles,

Speaker 1 and two police officers grabbed you,

Speaker 1 took you, and sat you

Speaker 1 in a chair in the interrogation office and said, We're going to talk to you about a murder. Okay.
You'd be like, hold on.

Speaker 1 The fuck are you talking?

Speaker 1 That's how she is. She acts like, first of all, she's like, first of all, she won't even let the detective talk, which is a sign of, huge sign of guilt when people do that always.

Speaker 1 Her eyes are like, you can see the whites of her eyes. Oh.

Speaker 1 She does not blink the whole time. Oh, like has this guy in her sights the whole time.
It's like a cat. You just got wet.
It's yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 She is angry that she's there.

Speaker 1 And all she'll talk about is, why was my son picked up from school? I did not give my son permission to be picked up from school. And he goes, okay, well, that's great.

Speaker 1 And, you know, the cop is super calm. He's like, listen, that's good.
And I understand

Speaker 1 You know, she keeps saying, without my permission. And they're like, yeah, but, you know,

Speaker 1 the guy even says, he goes, well, listen, I mean, this is your ex here who got, who's killed. And when she, when he tells her, he's been, he's been killed.

Speaker 1 And she goes, well, what happened? And, well, first she buries her head. She goes, he's been killed.
He died today, is what the cop says.

Speaker 1 And she just goes like this, puts her head in one hand and goes, yeah,

Speaker 1 that's it. And And then she goes, What happened?

Speaker 1 But there's no, like, she put her head in her hand, like, I should show some emotion here. Yeah, realized the well was dry.
Yeah, this is where people show emotion. And then just came up.

Speaker 1 Yeah. She told, like, the look was like, oh, we just saw in your car, we were outside, and it looks like one of your tires is flat.
You go,

Speaker 1 that's what she did. It was just like that.
Like, that's inconvenient.

Speaker 1 Soup. Then he goes, well, she said, well, what happened? And he goes, well,

Speaker 1 he was shot in the face.

Speaker 1 And she goes, in the face? Like, that's her reaction. In the face?

Speaker 1 In the face. He's dead.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 In the face? Like, oh, my God, that's horrible. The worst place.
This is my favorite thing about him. Not his face.

Speaker 1 So, but she kept, and then she's going back to her son. So where's my son? It's like, hold on, we just told you this guy got shot in the face and all you're concerned about.

Speaker 1 And he even said, well, you know, we got family down here. There's lots of people that we're talking to right now.
And she's like, is my dad here? And they're like, who's your dad?

Speaker 1 He knows everybody that's there, but they just want to get. And she goes, big dark Mexican guy, Raul.

Speaker 1 And he's like, I don't know. I'm not sure.
He goes, we got Rosa here. And she's like, you got my sister? Okay.
And they're like, yeah, your sister's, you know, watching your son right now.

Speaker 1 And she, he's, she's like, well, he, she does not have custody of her. And we do not, I I don't want her around.
The guy's like, that's, that's great.

Speaker 1 We'll just, let's get back to your, let's get back to the shot in the face part. Remember that? Right.

Speaker 1 Can you calm down, one hubcap? Uh, this is not good. It's and then she's like, she goes in the face.
Then she goes, I didn't even think he was working today.

Speaker 1 Jason, I thought Jason was off today.

Speaker 1 Then they're like, okay, well, look, before we go any further, we have to read you your rights because,

Speaker 1 and the guy tries to play it real casual.

Speaker 1 She's super offended that they're reading her her rights by the way she's like you have to read me my rights why like i don't understand she goes well you know he goes you know when there's a murder you know we just have to we have to look at like the butler and the the bookie that he said he owes money to and you know exes and i don't think he has a butler and i don't think he gambles so you know you're the ex so we got to talk to you we're going to count the candlesticks all that shit all that shit so they you know she's super offended by this though and she's just like the whole time she's looking at him like, this is crazy.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 So they said, it's obviously, she's, quote, you have to rule out the butler, the ex, the bookie, you know, that's what he says, real casual.

Speaker 1 She says, so he reads her the rights, and then he asks her, you know, where were you today?

Speaker 1 And she says, well, I was at work, so I don't know what you're even bothering me for. Like, she's like, I was at work, so I couldn't have killed him, obviously.
Case closed. That's it.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Expected him to go, all right, never mind. And he even said, he goes, oh, well, that's great.
That's a great alibi. He goes, terrific.
He goes, that's good.

Speaker 1 Then hopefully we can get you out of here pretty quick. You know, we'll get that gunshot residue test and then we'll get you right out of here.
Oh. And she's like, why would you do that?

Speaker 1 I don't understand. Like, she keeps, it's really fucking funny.
Then she says her rights have been violated because they're talking about doing gunshot residue tests on her and shit.

Speaker 1 And she's like, well, my rights have been violated because you took my son from the school. So she thinks she's going to fucking complain her way out of a murder investigation.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 which right is violated? What are you talking about? This is not customer service at the Walmart. This is a fucking murder investigation.
You can't just yell your way out of it and stomp off.

Speaker 1 So she says that she's very upset that

Speaker 1 the sister is with the son again, and she doesn't want the cops to talk to her son either. She said, well, you don't have my permission to talk to my son.

Speaker 1 And they go, well, we don't really need it because he's a witness. So we're going to talk to him.
They're just like ignoring everything she says.

Speaker 1 Well, since you're, you know, in custody at the moment, or you're not in custody, but you are a suspect, we're not going to, you don't really have any rights over him right this minute.

Speaker 1 And since his other parent is dead, we're just going to hand him to someone who doesn't seem like a murderer and see how that goes for him.

Speaker 1 Also, somebody that kind of sides with us and thinks that we should probably ask him some questions. Yeah, one of those, you know, one of those people.
Rosa seems good with it.

Speaker 1 She seems all right with all this. And so, yeah, they tell her, we don't fucking need your permission.
We're going to talk to your son. And she's not happy about that.

Speaker 1 That's like the first 20 minutes, by the way, of just irritating back and forth where you're just like, this fucking lady is really irritating. So then they finally get into the part about Jason.

Speaker 1 She finally gets over the son and all that kind of shit. And she said the relationship wasn't great.
Jason moved out when the baby was six months old.

Speaker 1 She said she filed a restraining order against him in 2016 after an altercation when she asked him to, this was after they had moved out with each other and everything.

Speaker 1 He was over and she asked him to leave and he got a little physical, so she filed it.

Speaker 1 But I don't know anything if that's real or not, but I do know that he filed one against her, but I'm not sure if they did it against each other or what happened here.

Speaker 1 So then they tell her that, well, we saw your car near this scene. Right.
It was seen by several witnesses. And they go, it's very distinctive with that missing hubcap.

Speaker 1 They go, honestly, how many black Nissan rogues with a missing hubcap are there in the area? Probably not a lot, you know what I mean? And she's like, why didn't I get the fucking hubcap fixed?

Speaker 1 So they said also a plate reader picked it up near the crime scene at the time of the murder. And so you mix all that.
That's the other part about big cities. Yeah.

Speaker 1 These travel.

Speaker 1 They're like, so, you know, not only did it was it seen with the hubcap missing, but then we know it was in that area because

Speaker 1 it laid the toll. Yeah.

Speaker 1 She's saying that, you know, I was at my fucking, I was at my boyfriend's house the whole time so I don't know what you're talking about and they're like yeah but you weren't because your car was here so they asked her does anyone else did anybody borrow your car does anyone else have keys and she's like well I mean I have another set but I don't even know where they are so no no one borrowed my car don't do that it's fucking crazy so um

Speaker 1 they said it makes your cars very distinctive then they said then your GPS stopped like an hour and a half before the murder starts up again an hour after the murder that doesn't look good and she's like well i don't know what happened with the gps because i I was at A.J.

Speaker 1 Richie's house eating lunch when my scanner was stalled. I don't know what you're talking about.
I wasn't there for two and a half hours. I don't know anything about that.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 they said, so you were there with AJ eating lunch. And she said, yes, absolutely.
They said, well, what'd you have? Pizza rolls. Which is a good choice.
I love a pizza roll.

Speaker 1 They said, what kind of flag, I hope. What kind of pizza rolls? She goes, I don't know.
I didn't make them. You can tell in two seconds if it's the good one.
It's the tortino.

Speaker 1 Are they store-bought or tortino? Those shit. Ginos.
Well, we know what, yeah, we know what they are here. So

Speaker 1 she, so they said, but you were there the whole time eating lunch with him. Yeah.
And she's like, yeah, absolutely. That's what we were doing.
I go over every Wednesday.

Speaker 1 Turns out there's surveillance video showing him eating lunch with friends at Hooters during the time of the shooting. He's at fucking Hooters.

Speaker 1 With his pals eating lunch, this guy.

Speaker 1 Not eating garbage food to look at titties today. He's eating shit worse than fucking pizza rolls yeah i'd rather have pizza rolls than hooters hooters is terrible food is awful so funny

Speaker 1 so that is amazing she said that if she didn't scan packages her gps might go dormant but that's maybe the maybe why it went dormant but i was at my boyfriend's house he was there with me and the guy says over and over he goes you know people just don't kill mailmen for no reason they're like it's just not a real highly targeted group of people you know it's just not Yeah.

Speaker 1 They blend into the landscape, too. Nobody's even looking for them.
Yeah. And then they also say, we've also heard, because Jason told a lot of people this, that

Speaker 1 you,

Speaker 1 you told Jason that your boyfriend AJ would, quote, shoot him. Is that true? Oops, the daisy.
And she's like, well,

Speaker 1 I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, I don't recall.
So they ask her, they go, we're just going to ask you straight out. Who was it? Was it you? Was it AJ? There's two cars that were seen.

Speaker 1 So it could have been either one of you. One car left, and then another one showed up.
So, and then at one point, he goes, We think it was you, right?

Speaker 1 You know, just because the it looks like a smaller person also in the video. It doesn't look like AJ, he was a big, burly guy.
And the murder uniforms on your passenger seat. Yeah, we also found that.

Speaker 1 Well, they said, quote, we think it was you. She takes up, this is the greatest thing I've ever seen in an interrogation.
We think it was you. She takes a long pause and goes, Thanks.

Speaker 1 The best I can describe it is thanks, dot, dot, dot, question mark. That's

Speaker 1 thanks.

Speaker 1 That's the honest response to, we think that you're the murderer in the video. Thanks.
It's not like they said there's this really sexy murderer, like smoking hot bod, like all this stuff.

Speaker 1 I'm pretty sure it's you. Thanks, but not me.

Speaker 1 Your ex-boyfriend's dead, and the murderer had great tits. We think it's you.
We think it's you. Looking at you and looking at the video, you got a rack to die for, sweetheart.
I'm telling you.

Speaker 1 Thanks. Thanks.
And they're like, and the cop is like taking aback. He's got to just,

Speaker 1 I'm surprised he didn't go, hold on a minute, and go out and tell everybody what just happened. Can you believe she just said that?

Speaker 1 What's with Colorado murderers giving that one word that's the dumbest fucking thing they could have said? Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 Sweet and thanks. Sweet and thanks.

Speaker 1 It's fucking crazy. Yeah, he's total Chris Watts here.
So they ask, is it you were your boyfriend? And they said, your car is there. Your texts say you're guilty.

Speaker 1 They tell her they're going to do a GSR test on her. And they said, have you handled any firearms lately? And she says,

Speaker 1 no. And then she goes, I don't know if I should, should I be asking for an attorney? Or I don't know how you go about that or what I should be saying right now.

Speaker 1 And he goes, well, you want an attorney? You can have an attorney. We'll stop right now.
And she goes, yeah, I think I should have one. And they go, okay.
And they leave the room.

Speaker 1 And then a postal inspector comes in.

Speaker 1 Now, the postal inspector, whether she's asked for an attorney or not, can still talk to her because this is about work.

Speaker 1 This has nothing to fucking do with the murder, even though it's all about the murder, too. But he's going in and asking her about her work shit, which has nothing to do with that.

Speaker 1 So he enters the room. It's work-related.
And this guy acts like he's just, he goes, I don't know what's going on here. I'm just trying to, you know, maybe you can help me.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 I don't know. You probably know more about these scanners than I do.
Do you happen to have the scanner because you're fired? Yeah.

Speaker 1 We're going to go ahead and take your employee ID. She said she went to the residence for lunch around 12 p.m.
She knows the access code to get into AJ's home.

Speaker 1 So she entered the code, went into the residence on her own. She said they had pizza rolls and water that he cooked for her, which we know is a lie because he's at Hooters.

Speaker 1 She said that she and AJ argued while she was there and that AJ left in his vehicle, which was described as a big truck.

Speaker 1 And she said she went in her postal vehicle, sat in it and cried for a while, and then went back to work.

Speaker 1 So she said, yeah, it was her boyfriend's day off. She always went there to spend lunch with him, you know, because he lives with his wife and all.
Jesus. So pizzerolls and arguing.
She said

Speaker 1 she does own firearms, I'm sorry, but doesn't know where they are at her house. I don't know where my guns.
I have a five-year-old. What? But I don't know where I keep my guns.
I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 I keep a five-year-old and loose guns around the house. That's how this works.

Speaker 1 I know where my kid is, but not my guns. Not my guns.
She said in November 2020, she went to a shooting range and she shot a long gun and she didn't know what kind.

Speaker 1 And she said she is familiar with guns and has shot firearms in the past. They asked, did she have her cell phone with her the whole time? She said, yes.
Nobody borrowed her phone.

Speaker 1 She's the only one also, she says, to access her car that day. She's the only one who drives it and she has the only set of keys that she knows of.
She doesn't even know where the other ones are.

Speaker 1 This all comes to a head without her confessing or her doing anything. And they're just like, well, I guess that, by the way, she could have gotten up and left at any point in this.

Speaker 1 She was not under arrest. Rather than keep looking guilty, she could have said, I'm taking taking my son and going home.
Fuck you.

Speaker 1 And she would have absolutely been within her rights to do that, but she didn't. But she seemed to know her rights, James.
Yeah, she didn't want to hear them.

Speaker 1 So AJ, they get him in there, and AJ says,

Speaker 1 okay, fine. I'll tell you everything.
Oh. Yeah, he does.

Speaker 1 He initially denies it, but then he says he dropped her off at work and then drove around.

Speaker 1 He said he talked with Devin multiple times on the phone that morning because she had spoken of killing Schaefer, and he was trying to persuade her not to go through with it. That's what he said.

Speaker 1 He then said that he was trying to warn Jason about Devin's plan to hurt him. That's why he was following him around.
Never stopped and told him or anything, but just followed him around.

Speaker 1 Maybe to the next house. I don't know.

Speaker 1 There's a couple packages there. I don't want to bother him with that.
Oh, that looks heavy.

Speaker 1 When the police asked why he didn't call the police if he thought that Devin was going to hurt Jason, he said that, quote, he didn't know if she was serious. I don't fucking know.

Speaker 1 He said that he told detectives that the threats to harm Jason had been going on for a while and they didn't seem as serious as on previous occasions. He's, wow.

Speaker 1 He said, except for the three days before the shooting, when Devin messaged him a picture of herself dressed in clothes similar to those of the shooting suspect, the cop said.

Speaker 1 So, you know, yeah, that was sent to him three days earlier. So, according to this, Richie said that he took it upon himself to drive to Longmont and find Jason's truck and wait to confront Devin.

Speaker 1 He was going to wait and go, you know, you go back in your car, Devin. Don't do that.
You, this is bad.

Speaker 1 So he admitted to following the truck, the most, the mail truck, most of the morning, waiting outside Jason's apartment during his break.

Speaker 1 And while he waited, he was on the phone with Devin, who he said told him that she wasn't going to harm Jason.

Speaker 1 He said then he briefly spoke to Devin, warning him, or briefly spoke to Jason, warning him to watch out for Devin.

Speaker 1 He told police that at that point he felt he had, quote, done he could.

Speaker 1 I did my due diligence. I did all I could and went back to Loveland, and that was that.

Speaker 1 So the cop said there was extensive thought that went into this murder. Devin's going to plant her cell phone and her mail tracker up at AJ's house.

Speaker 1 And as soon as she knows that the last location for Jason, that she has a good idea where he's going to be, she gets down to Longmont from Loveland and this happens.

Speaker 1 So she left the tracker devices there at Jason's house and then went out in broad daylight and murdered somebody. on 45 different cameras

Speaker 1 not smart that so she thought about technology very briefly but not much more

Speaker 1 about the ring doorbell forgot about all that shit

Speaker 1 so by the way they arrest her they arrest AJ obviously while she's in jail there's another ex-boyfriend by the way who she's still sort of seeing here his last name is Castanetta and the detective asked her during the interrogation was you was it AJ?

Speaker 1 Did Castaneta do this? And she's like, Why would you even bring him up?

Speaker 1 Castaneta. And he's like, I don't know.
It's one of your boyfriends. You know, maybe you got him to do it, or maybe he was mad about Jason or something.

Speaker 1 And she's like, No, like, I don't even talk to him. Like, that's silly.
So, as soon as she's in jail, she's talking to him every day on the phone, by the way.

Speaker 1 This Castanetta guy, who's a complete this guy, is a fucking tool.

Speaker 1 Their jail phone calls are on YouTube with video.

Speaker 1 They did not just

Speaker 1 video. You get to see their faces.
So you can see him crying the entire phone call while she is just like not, she has no emotion, stone-faced and

Speaker 1 just like trying to get him to help her.

Speaker 1 So basically, they got on the phone because he's telling her that I don't know if you saw yet, but what just came out today, AJ confessed to everything and let it out. And

Speaker 1 he gave the police a picture of you in the outfit that the murder took place in.

Speaker 1 And she's just silent. She goes, no.

Speaker 1 That little ghost emoji. Oh, no.
Dude,

Speaker 1 she said that he just tells her everything that AJ told the cops. And her response is, quote, I'm sorry you had to hear all of that on the news.

Speaker 1 She's cold.

Speaker 1 She's cold, man.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And he says, I just wish I could have seen you again.
And she says, I know. I wish I could see you too.

Speaker 1 And she goes, are you going to be okay? And he said, no.

Speaker 1 This is real bad. And she says, I'm sorry.
I wish I knew what to say to make it better.

Speaker 1 Say you didn't kill this person. And yeah.

Speaker 1 And I wish I could make your situation better, but it's getting worse. And it's not your job to make this better, you know, like that kind of thing.
And so

Speaker 1 he says, she says, though, I'm sorry you're hurting. And he says, I love you.
And she says, I love you. This is there.
No relationship, according to her.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I think she says, you don't have to say it if you don't want to. And he goes, I do.
I want to. And she says, I know.
I'm sorry. I wish I could fix things for you.

Speaker 1 And she said, I don't like seeing you upset. And, oh, no, I don't want to use the kid's name at all because he's still definitely a minor.

Speaker 1 And her son's having a hard time because it's in the actual thing.

Speaker 1 But we won't use his name because that's crazy.

Speaker 1 Having a hard, I know you're having a hard time. And he says, yeah, I'll still call you every day if you don't, you know.
And she says, you don't have to if you don't want to.

Speaker 1 And he says, well, I know it's hard for you right now.

Speaker 1 And then he's like, so what do you want me to do with your stuff?

Speaker 1 What do you want me to do with all your stuff?

Speaker 1 He's still on the outside. Yeah, this guy.
Yeah, it's her ex-boyfriend. He had nothing to do with this.

Speaker 1 AJ's arrested and in jail, but this guy isn't. He's not arrested.
So she's got her ex-ex-boyfriend. Doing her bidding for her on the outside.

Speaker 1 He's like, oh, I'll go clean out your stuff in your apartment. Where do you want? What do you want me to do? And she says, just sell what you want.

Speaker 1 Just try to keep the jewelry and those personal things that you know I like. Everything else can go.
It's really not that important.

Speaker 1 In case I get out.

Speaker 1 Yeah, in case I get out. And

Speaker 1 at one point he goes, because I'm not going to see you for 25 years now.

Speaker 1 It's fucking amazing. It's like an eight-year-old.
Yeah. So they have a postal procession.

Speaker 1 They have 47 postal trucks

Speaker 1 ride Schaefer's mail route

Speaker 1 as a parade. Yeah, they take 47 postal vans and they do a memorial

Speaker 1 procession doing his exact mail route every day, which is hilarious.

Speaker 1 I don't mean to laugh. This poor guy is a fucking, but

Speaker 1 that's hilarious.

Speaker 1 Jason would go, guys, calm down. Chill.
You don't need to do that.

Speaker 1 Go around the block.

Speaker 1 I don't need 47 trucks going down my street. That's crazy.
Yeah, you're like, what the hell is going on out there? Are we being invaded by the post office? What's happening?

Speaker 1 Are they a military force now?

Speaker 1 Guys, the post office is taking over. Be careful.

Speaker 1 Sorry, my wife's got an Amazon thing. I apologize, guys.

Speaker 1 Christ, that's amazing. So his mom speaks at the memorial and says, one thing I've learned through all of this is that he was like a little hummingbird, a butterfly.

Speaker 1 He just brought so much joy and whimsy to all of us. She said, I thought.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 she said, I thought it was me. I would listen for the sound of his old mail car.
And all the residents were there, too. One person said, This answered nothing.
It wrecked everybody.

Speaker 1 It wrecked her family, his family, people around him. None of this is an answer, meaning the shooting.

Speaker 1 Postal workers recalled him as a great softball player on the post office team and a good friend. One guy said, it's been a week and I'm like, are you on long vacation?

Speaker 1 I've been wanting, I've been waiting for a text

Speaker 1 to be like, I'm so sorry. I can't believe all these people came out.

Speaker 1 So Devin goes to trial here. And

Speaker 1 her defense is

Speaker 1 that,

Speaker 1 well, the prosecution is saying that she's upset because he was dating her sister. Duh.

Speaker 1 Pustody stuff. You know, you can take the rest from there.
The defense said that Devin was corrupted by AJ.

Speaker 1 Oh. That's the real culprit here is AJ.
They said, quote, Ms. Schreiner is not a murderer.
She was the weapon, but she was A.J. Richie's weapon.
Is that right?

Speaker 1 Even though all the motivation to kill belongs belongs to her, not him.

Speaker 1 He's married. He has no time for this shit.

Speaker 1 Except for he's wandering around following the guy. That's fucking.
It's his day off on Wednesday.

Speaker 1 That's when he usually fucks his girlfriend. Instead, he'll do some.

Speaker 1 The defense said that, yeah,

Speaker 1 that he's corrupted her. So they also said that

Speaker 1 AJ had groomed her since she was a child and that they met when she was 13 and he was 20. I don't know when a sexual relationship started, but that's when they met.

Speaker 1 I hate it. They show all of that mountain of evidence, of technological evidence, and it is guilty.
I mean, there's no way out of this shit. She doesn't.

Speaker 1 Maybe we saw you.

Speaker 1 You can watch her on the video doing it. So

Speaker 1 at sentencing, she declined to speak, then moved toward a corner and shielded her face from view as the impact statements were read.

Speaker 1 She stood in the corner. Not good.
Jason's parents here, the mother, Jason's mother mother called the son's murder a living nightmare.

Speaker 1 She said her family's lives have been destroyed forever, and her grandson is now living with relatives in Connecticut. She said, I have not slept since his murder.

Speaker 1 Our lives have always have been destroyed. He does not deserve, the son does not deserve to be without a father.

Speaker 1 Jason's father said, you can hug your son, but I can't hug mine due to your calculated actions.

Speaker 1 And the judge says, I got some calculated actions for you. You, ma'am, may fuck off life without parole.
Oh, boy. Dick Eaton line starts that way.

Speaker 1 How many women are serving that? That is a, that's what I mean. This is, this is cold, man.
This is fucking cold.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 during the try, they bring AJ to trial, too. And during the trial, they show his cell phone being tracked along the route.
And I mean, he's just as obviously guilty as she is.

Speaker 1 And there's even a text that shit that's read among several, but this is the jewel of the texts here that he had sent her about a month ago that said, quote, you could just kill them both and make it look like they killed each other, meaning Jason and the sister Rosa.

Speaker 1 In closing statements, they described him as the eyes and ears of Devin Schreiner's murder operation, and he is found absolutely guilty of first-degree murder and sentenced to, you, sir, may fuck off life without parole.

Speaker 1 Correctional officer in prison. In prison.
Hopefully for him, not that prison.

Speaker 1 So they said, with today's guilty verdict, the two people responsible for this premeditated and cold-blooded murder will be held fully responsible for killing Jason Schaefer while he was delivering mail.

Speaker 1 Unbelievable. They said the two robbed Jason's family and

Speaker 1 U.S. postal colleagues of a beloved son, father, and friend.
Not the postal colleagues. God damn it.
So this is horrible.

Speaker 1 The guy seemed like a nice guy, and F definitely didn't deserve to be murdered while he's delivering. No one deserves to be killed at work.
That's terrible. No, not at work.

Speaker 1 Do it in the off time for Christ's sake. So there you go.
There's Longmont. There's a crazy story.
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