#578 - Video Poker Playboy Murder - Lake Charles, Louisiana

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Okay.

Let's go on a trip, shall we?

Let's do it.

We're going down to Louisiana this week.

Lake Charles, Louisiana.

Oh, yeah.

I've heard of that.

You've heard of it.

Yeah, and it's a little bit bigger of a place, but where this whole thing happened was on

a dirt road and the edge. It was pretty rural.
This is definitely some small town stuff here. So Lake Charles, it's in southwestern Louisiana, kind of all the way in the corner down there.
It is three hours over to New Orleans. It's two hours to Houston.
So it's closer to Houston than New Orleans and in distance. And it's about three hours if you go straight north up to Keithville, Louisiana, which was our last Louisiana episode.

It's been a while.

That was episode 518.

Conspiracy of fools, that one was.

And that was everybody conspiring to kill one man and take all his stuff.

Like everyone he knew in the world was all in one big conspiracy against him.

So that's a funny episode.

Population here is 83,444. So a little bit bigger.
It was about 70,000 when the murder happened, but still, you know, in that ballpark. Median household income here is about 20,000 lower than the national average.
It's 69,000. National average is 69,000.
Here it's 49,,913. It's a very not great area.

I mean, it's swampy.

It's not a good place to live.

Well, there's a lot of petrochemical places, but there's also a lot of outdoor activities and lake life and shit like that.

So it's a real weird different mix.

Median home cost here, $179,400.

Very affordable.

Very affordable.

So the nickname here, they have a nickname. Well, actually two nicknames.
One is, this is not a great nickname, the Lake Area. Oh, well then, that's very unique to this particular location.
There's no other lakes in the country. Don't go to Minnesota, fuckers.
You're going to be blown away. And then there's Louisiana's Playground, which bourbon street may disagree with you the whole town of new orleans feels like it probably has more to do wherever people just take their boobs out indiscriminately that's the playground that's louisiana's playground it's not at the lake my friends it is yeah if your eight-year-old can see nipples yeah that's a better much better place that is a playground.
A little bit of history of this town here. It had several different names originally.
First, it was Porte du Lafitte, which was Porte of Jean Lafitte. Jean Lafitte was, you'll hear about it.
Kind of a big deal. Yeah, he was a big deal down there.
There's a whole pirate festival with him in it that we'll talk about here. It was first incorporated in 1857 as Charleston after an early settler, Charles Salyer.
Salyer is probably French. March 16, 1867, it was reincorporated as the city of Lake Charles.
So they figured it out in the 1860s. Then in 1910, quote, the great fire devastated the whole city.
This place is on fire, too. It's so wet.
As damp as it is down there. Everything is covered in dampness.
It doesn't do. It doesn't matter.
They rebuilt it and expanded it. The town as well.
The Charleston Hotel was built in 1929. And during and after World War II, industrial growth was a big deal here with the arrival of the petrochemical refineries, which is where all the jobs are here for the most part here.
And then Houston has a lot of that too. This is like the petrochemical belt.
Right. This is a lot of oil pulling.
Yeah. A lot of mining.
In 2005, the city was damaged badly by Hurricane Rita.

In 2020, it was battered by two hurricanes, Category 4 Hurricane Laura and Hurricane Delta also that year.

I didn't hear about either of those.

Two of those.

Lake Charles, after the hurricanes that happened, the two of them that hit it, was it was described as quote as if 20 tornadoes came in and wiped the city just wiped it destroyed shit the southern portion of the city was then also damaged in 2021 by an uh by an ef2 tornado as well so this place is you are dodging weather like crazy in this place.

How do you call yourself

Louisiana's playground when

the actual one got

obliterated 20 years ago?

We still talk about it. I haven't heard

of yours yet. Keeps happening.

Well, I guess those are ones that I remember

Hurricane Rita. That was a big one.

Yeah, that was a big one, but I don't remember

Laura and Delta, even though they just happened.

But that was 2020.

There was a lot of shit going on in 2020.

It was a busy year.

It was a busy year.

There was a Delta strain.

We were watching Tiger King and stuff.

It was a lot going on.

We had shit to do.

You can't have a hurricane named after a strain of disease and expect us to hear it.

Not at all.

Reviews of this town.

We'll just do a couple here because we're running late on time.

Here's five stars.

Lake Charles is the sportsman's paradise.

There's great food and great people.

There's something here for everyone.

Every sentence has an exclamation point after it, by the way.

The only thing I would change is I would like for Lake Charles to have something like a Dave and Buster's or for a skating rink to be brought back to town.

Just missing a Dave and Buster's and this place would be perfect. B-dubs anything.
Anything. Here's a one star and I'm reading this because a 10 year old wrote it and I think that's hilarious.
As a 10 year old living in Lake Charles, I can happily say this city sucks. This kid's got potential, right? It sucks.
First, the crime rate here is so horrible, I don't even know why one would let their family grow up here. And don't get me started on the entertainment.
All you have to do here is go to a crappy casino and hope you win some money. And then all caps with a period after each word, I hate this city.
And I'm going to read the first couple of lines of one just because it's hilarious. One star, a city of scumbags, low lives and thieves.
What the fuck? This city really sucks. I don't like Lake Charlesians.
They're all scumbags. 1820s port.
It's so funny. And then they go on to describe it from there of why they're scumbags.

But it's really fucking funny.

They even say the kids in the schools are some of the meanest in the country.

I've been to all of them.

They've been everywhere.

I've been bullied by the best.

And these kids, I'll tell you what.

Things to do here.

The Louisiana Pirate Festival.

That's right.

They talk about Jean Lafitte and his band of buccaneers who are fleeing enemy ships and heading west to Galveston and all this type of shit. So now they have a pirate themed festival.
I don't know. They just call him Jean Lafitte.
No clue. So they're just going to have a festival over this and it's pirate themed entertainment begins and ends the festivities and promotes the festival year-round.
They've been doing it for 66 years now. And you can find out your pirate name very easily here.
There we go. The first letter of your last name.
So that would be for you a W. So that would be Prickly.
Oh, so they've got words attached to that. Okay.
Yeah, so you'd be Prickly, and I would be, this is the first letter of your last name so i would be squinty oh squinty and prickly i think those are backwards and then your birth month so you'd be february so you'd be the the the cruel prickly is it prickly cruel or cruel prick i have no no idea. Oh, I guess prickly the cruel.

Oh.

Or I would be squinty the landlubber.

Okay.

That's the most bitch ass nickname I've ever heard.

The dumbest thing ever.

They ruined it.

They ruined it.

So that's how that goes anyway.

Yeah.

Let's talk about some murder.

What do you say here?

All right.

Let's talk about a man first.

This is William Davis goes by Brian. I't ask why not Brian Brian Davis he's born July 9th 1969 he's born in New Orleans and raised just outside of New Orleans in a small town called Independence Louisiana it's a nice little small town outside New Orleans He's got parents named Bill and Catherine.
It looks like he has a brother and a sister from what I could gather here. He graduated from Independence High School.
And he has three kids. So at some point there's a divorce because he has child support payments and all this going on too.
Poor bastard. Three kids from what I can gather, Douglas, Danielle, and Darla.
Oh boy. They went with all D's on that one.
They did it. He's big into fishing and outdoor shit, as you would be in the Lake Charles area.
Also enjoyed, he's big into shooting. He likes like target shooting a lot.
So he does like- He has a Cabela's punch card. Oh dude, this guy, yeah, you know it.
This guy has like- He's got a Bass Pro he owns. Shit.
He has several of those jackets with lots of pockets in them. A lot of those.
So he does competition shooting, also plays golf and sings karaoke. What a guy.
Well, we'll also talk about he also loves video poker, as we'll get into. Oh, boy, does he love video poker.
Maybe more than anything. So from 2000, the year 2000 on, he worked as a sales manager for union national life insurance company.
So he's going to be from, for the remainder here. That's where he works.
Now he's got a wife here that he gets married in 2008, but they're together for years before that. And her name is Robin Little.
Robin with a Y, by the way. Robin Little.
And she'll be Robin Little Davis after that. Robin Little Davis.
If your last name is Little, you can't hyphenate it. It just sounds funny.
Whatever it is, you're just making it small now. Yeah.
Doesn't matter. You could be Little Godzilla and it would sound funny.
That sounds awesome. Little Godzilla.
I want to watch Little Godzilla. That's the movie I want to watch.
Damn near rhymes, for Christ's sake. He's like four foot six and he just fucks shit up, though.
Really? Don't get in his way. Destroys your Hot Wheels.
Absolutely. Fucks up like Barbie dollhouses and shit.
Just crushes them he can still shoot fire though so uh he anyway he met the uh robin little at work and uh they end up getting married like i said in 2008 this is a third marriage for brian and the second for robin and uh brian has a history all of his marriages end because he cheats on his wife. That's how this works.
We make a lot of mistakes. Brian makes a couple mistakes here and there.
From what everybody said, outside of the infidelity, he's a very good guy and a nice guy that everybody likes. But, boy, he can't keep his dick in his pants.
And he's a – I'll show you the guy. He's not's not an attractive conventionally attractive man he's a heavy set guy bald got like a michael strahan gap in his teeth shit like that yeah like he's uh you know you wouldn't look at him and go oh baby fucking i am sitting in a puddle there that's you don't hear that very often so he must be a really nice guy is all i have to say.
Funny or something. Has to be.
Yeah. So with Robin Little comes Carol Nolan Saltzman, who goes by Sissy.
That's the daughter? Sissy Saltzman. No, no, no.
That is her best friend who's always with her. Okay.
She lives with the couple. She lives with them.
No. I'm going to show you the house.
And there is a shitload of people living in this fucking house and i don't know how where they're all fitting because it's not a house it's a trailer and i don't know where they're all fitting we'll put it that way shit so sissy saltzman born in 1967 uh robin's best friend lives with them for pretty much from the year before they get married and onward just lives with with them. Now, Justin here, this is Robin's son, Justin, and he's an adult.
He must be an adult because he works with everybody at the insurance place. Really? He works there too.
So, yeah. Now, they have this son, and she also has a daughter named Kelsey, who seems to be older as well, and she also seems to live there kind of too.
I don't know what's going on. Now apparently Robin had gotten separated from her ex-husband at this point in 2000 but stayed legally married to him according to the, so that she could keep him on her medical insurance.

Keep who on her medical insurance?

The ex-husband.

Who gives a fuck about his household?

Well, apparently he couldn't work because he had a bad back and it would have been hard for him to get medical insurance,

so she kept him on her medical insurance, which is pretty insane behavior for an ex.

That's crazy. The thing is, this guy died in 2008.
Andrew died. That's Andrew's.
Her ex-husband died in a car accident in 2008. So Kelsey said that they were asked.
She was asked later on, was there any problem with the life insurance money with that and kelsey replied the problem the problem was that she was the beneficiary and she got all the money she took yeah she said that the mother told her robin told her that her dad only had a 25 000 life insurance but then when they were at the father's house cleaning it she found a hundred thousand dollar policy that's up to her. Yeah, best choice you ever make to clean up his house.
No shit. So she said that this whole situation was shady.
This is the daughter. Because Robin bought a trailblazer, a Chevy trailblazer truck with cash, bought our guy here, bought Davis a new boat with cash, and remodeled the house with new hardwood floors, new kitchen appliances, and hired a professional painter to paint the entire house and a professional landscaper to landscape it.
That's how I grieve, too. That's the best way to do it.
Well, it is her ex-husband, but still.

That's how I would definitely grieve my ex-wife.

That's what I mean.

Spend it.

But the kids are upset that they didn't get any part of this.

Yeah.

They got nothing.

She used the money and basically spent it on a new house to be with her new boyfriend at the time, or her new husband.

Because as soon as he died, they got married.

That's why they didn't get married before that is because she was keeping this guy on his health insurance, which is a great.

Will you marry me?

Well, I'd like to.

But you know what? soon as he died they got married that's why they didn't get married before that is because she was keeping this guy on his health insurance which is a great will you marry me well i'd like to but you see i'd sure love to here's why i can't that would be a tough maybe a tough proposal rejection for a guy yeah can we add my ex to your health is that possible can we do that so kelsey also described robin as being unfair to other people. She said that's just kind of how she was.
Kelsey described Sissy as like her second mom because she's always there. She said that Sissy lived with them for four years, never paying any rent or even buying groceries.
She said that Sissy didn't have any money and did not have to have any money to have any money if as long as she hung around with my mom basically my mom just yeah took care of her so i don't know what's going on here between these two but it doesn't sound like a typical friendship it's very bizarre this sounds like that a ruby frankie situation almost like you know what i mean he's gonna be sleeping on the couch soon while she's getting hot oil massage yeah with candles lit in the other room so here's the house it's at 1314 wedgwood drive okay and right now currently it is worth 40 300 dollars that in this market okay look there it is that's a free oh wow that's 40 grand 40 grand for a trailer yeah it's just a trailer it's a long it's a long trailer with a with a shed out back there but yeah if you're an old person that'd be with a driveway that's great and in this house we know the couple lives we know sissy lives there's another woman named stephanie that lives here at this time as well what the fuck seems to come and go and have keys and work and live here too so i don't know how many adults live in this house there's a too many adults for one house now the ladies sissy and robin get into some trouble uh they are both they both worked at the insurance company and they're both fired after sissy was caught stealing money. And Robin, the way they put it, quote, failed to speak up about her knowledge of the crime.
In other words, they stole money together is what that means, probably. And even getting fired, they weren't at odds with each other or anything.
So everything was fine. Later on, somebody said everywhere Robin went, Sissy was there.
Period.

Okay.

Now, March 2009, Robin learns that her husband here, Brian, of a year, basically, was having an affair at work.

I don't know if this is as soon as she got fired or whatever, but this affair has been going on for like a year and a half.

So he was planning a wedding while having an affair i mean that's remarkable to me remarkable remarkable why why get married you want to have affairs have affairs don't get married don't even be in a relationship man that's what i mean what the So anyway, she found out about the affair, Robin does, and confronted this Fanny Deets. That's the lady's name.
He's having an affair. Fanny Deets.
Having an affair with Fanny. I don't know a Fanny that's not smoking hot.
We all know that. Now, Brian has a video poker habit, let's call it, that became such an issue that he became, and this is not normally, he pays his bills on time and he's very good at shit like that.
He became behind in his child support payments and the mortgage. There's a mortgage on that trailer.
And he's behind on it. And he's behind on it.
I can't, what the fuck is the payment on a, I mean, what are we talking about here? And back then it was probably $15,000.

$300 a month maybe?

Yeah.

Oh, God.

If it's $600, his homeowner's insurance is outrageous.

He'll have it paid off in no time.

Wow.

Yeah, that's ridiculous.

There should be no homeowner's insurance on that shit.

So Robin also likes to gamble.

Really?

Oh, yeah.

The two of them gamble.

I mean, he's gambling every day.

The only thing that I've ever in a relationship gambling is both people in a relationship gambling like excessively more than you can afford not for fun so uh justin who is robin's son knew of the affair as well because he worked with them so So he knew what was going on. Apparently, also according to Justin, Brian would stop to play video poker on the way to work in the mornings.
Dude, I got to pop by and grab my coffee. Wow.
Anything you do on the way to work is a couple quick. You are addicted.
If you stop for a drink on the way to to work you have a problem you gotta that's called a problem anything you have to do before you even get to work is a problem so if it costs you money oh that might unspecified amount could be anything and then sometimes on the way home he'd stop and play more poker wow wow uh his i guess it escalated in 2009 is when his poker really shot up and he got started getting behind on things and everything like that and robin gambles as well here um and uh she also goes out to eat at a diner kd's diner in lake charles all the time and there is poker machines at the diner so she is always at the diner having a bite to eat, playing some poker. She's a regular.
So June 29, 2009. Okay.
Now, Brian is out with Robin looking at boats because that's what you do when you're behind on your child support and your mortgage. You go boat shopping, obviously.
See what the trade-in value of yours is. What are we doing here, dude? No, he's just shopping for new boats.
Apparently, they looked for boats around the Lake Charles area, and then he apparently went on his own to Beaumont, Texas, which is about an hour and a half away, to Boat Shop there. He's crossing state lines to Boat Shop.
And is behind on his trailer payments. Fanny Mac is looking for him.
He is behind on his double-wide payment, and he's doing this, which doesn't sound... Freddie Mac, Fanny May, is that what it is? That's what it is, yeah.
I figured we'd just let it go. But yeah.
I wasn't going to correct you on it. Fuck it.
I was like, close enough. Whatever.
It doesn't matter. Yeah, that's exactly what I was like.
We don't need to get caught up on that. So he ended up not coming home that night, which I guess there was some really bad, violent thunderstorms that happened that night.

So that's what they were attributing.

It was, oh, he must have got stuck in the weather up there. You know what I mean? It's so bad because they have like roads that flood and shit when that happens.
But then he didn't come home at all. So Robin calls the police the next day to see about reporting him missing and was told that she must wait 24 hours from the time that she expected him home.
Not from the last time you see him? No, no, no. From the last time you expected him home.
So that's when he would be missing as you expected him here and he didn't show up. So that's about, you know, nine o'clock we're talking that night type of thing here.
So the next morning she calls his job, calls Brian's job and learned that no one there had heard from him. See, maybe he showed up at work.
Maybe he drove right to work. So then she called a friend of his and say, hey, have you seen him? Have you heard from him? And he said, no, I haven't.
So then she called the police that night, which is 24 hours, and a policeman came to the house. Mark Chapman, an officer here with the Lake Charles Police Department, showed up, and he went over there at about 4.30 p.m.
and was given a statement by Robin that he was supposed to be heading to Belmont, Texas to go boat shopping in his Honda last time I saw him. That's a fascinating choice of car to take, too.
Yeah, not a big pickup truck or anything. He's not going to tow it home.
He's just shopping. No, it's staying there.
It's staying there. Unless they could drop it in the Gulf for him and stay in there for a while.
That's one way to keep yourself from buying a boat. Just drive a Civic.
Drive your record up there and see what happens. So July 1st, 2009, okay, because that was the 28th, 29th.
Now we're off to July 1st here. This is off of Big Lake Road in this area.
It's the end of Wagon Wheel Lane. Now let me show you this road.
Oh, that's a road? Yeah, it's dirt. It's dirt, not even like the middle of it has a lot of green in it.
Yeah, a lot of big chunks of grass. This is not a populated area.
No, that is two ruts in a field. It's the middle of nowhere.
Yeah, and you can see the lake in the background, too. It's out there.
Now, they are called by a guy who was riding an ATV. A guy who had been riding an ATv saw a car out there and normally there aren't cars out there and called the police about it you know because it's not a road and all right if somebody on atv is panicked about a car being weirdly on this quote-unquote road that is not a road it's not a road no this is a four-wheeler path is what it is this is not a road that you would take a Honda Civic on either.
That is not a road. It's not a road.
No, this is a four-wheeler path is what it is. This is not a road that you would take a Honda Civic on either.
This is not a Honda road at all. I wouldn't take my car on that fucking road.
No. Absolutely not.
So I'd take your truck, but not your car. You know what I mean? Yeah.
My car's kind of a truck and I still wouldn't take it out. No.
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It's a Honda. The trunk and doors are open and the car look like it had been jacked up to change a tire.
Okay, so it looks like it's mid-tire change. The car was up on the jack.
The lug nuts were removed from a tire while a spare tire, the donut, was on the ground nearby. So this is mid-tire change.
Yeah, it's happening. So this vehicle that's out here is registered to Robin.
This is Robin's vehicle. And they call that in and they realize that she had reported her husband missing.
So, this is all making sense. A couple other things here.
Brian is also nearby the vehicle. Really? Some distance away, though.
And he is clearly dead and has been dead for a couple days in the Louisiana heat.

Oh, no. Because it's summer in Louisiana.

It's hot, man.

He's been out here a couple days.

His driver's license was found in the vehicle.

Now, according to the autopsy here, it's pretty fucking crazy here.

They identify him by dental records in the presence of tattoos on his body because even after a couple days the decomp is setting in so the coroner estimated the time of death between to be sometime after 12pm on June 29th he's dead of four gunshot wounds oh boy three to the torso and one to the head.

And they think, yeah, they think he was hit once, started running, hit two more times, fell, and then somebody did the last shot in the head to make sure here, which is very odd here.

His shoes were off and his belt was loosened.

So that makes no sense. Like he was chilling out in front of the fire, getting ready to watch some TV or some shit.
Hey, you're rarely dressed like that changing attire. In a field, especially.
It's just weird. So it's not like it was in your garage and you were changing attire.
So that was odd. They said it appeared that either he was having some kind of encounter with somebody, like sexual.
Sure. Or somebody or someone was looking for something on him now the thing is though he had a big known to be valuable ring on his hand that was still on his hand still there still there but uh the firearm that he carries everywhere was not at the in the car or at the scene his gps and his laptop are also gone, and we know those are going to be in the car.
So that's interesting. And the problem is this happened on a night of very inclement weather, and there's been storms since then, so a lot of forensic evidence, especially ones from the lug nuts and the jack, are probably gone if there was DNA on there.
So that's a problem. Now, they going to pull a couple of samples though, which is interesting.
Okay. Now they tell Robin, your husband's dead.
Second husband in fucking a year and a half is dead. So fast.
Yeah. So fast.
You are like, very rare that happens. Yeah.
You don't see that that often. So it's with young people.
These, you know, this guy's 40 for Christ's sake. He's not gene hackman for fuck's sake sorry too soon for gene hackman yeah that was wild fucking upset we found out we expected this to be like juicy crazy yeah or carbon monoxide and it turns out it's just weird it's just and it's sad because he was like just had alzheimer's and didn't even know it was happening and like ah wandered around the house and how about that too that he was like just had Alzheimer's and didn't even know it was happening.
And like, ah. Wandered around the house.
And how about that, too, that he was so precarious that he could have dropped it any second. Yeah.
He needed that poor woman so bad. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
He didn't know what he was doing. He was in bad shape.
Yeah. So the cops tell Robin about this.
And they said at the time she was dry heaving and or vomiting when she heard about it.

She was cooperative with the detectives and told them that on the day he disappeared,

he was supposed to be going boat shopping in Beaumont.

She also said that he had been, quote, rat holing, which sounds sexual, but it's not,

rat holing about $700 for a new boat.

He's been rat holing it.

Pay your mortgage. Why don't you rat hole that on over to U.S.
Bank and pay your fucking mortgage? Or your child support. But whatever.
They asked if he kept his money in his sock, and she said he did from time to time because of the nature of his job collecting insurance premiums. In cash? Door to door? How is he collecting insurance? What are you talking about? Is that a known dangerous job? I would think that's all electronic and checks and you mail them.
I don't think a guy comes to your house and he's like, hey, where's your fucking health insurance payment? Nah, cash, asshole, cash. I haven't seen my fucking insurance agent in five years.
I've never seen them. Called them and they send me emails and that's it.
That's what I know. I showed up to his office, dropped him a check, and he was, oh, you could have just mailed this.
All right. Well, then that's what I'll do next.
I have an app on my phone. It's all electronic.
Done. Don't even fuck with it.
July 2nd, 2009. Now, the next day they sit Robin down and get a timeline from her.
They try to pin down a timeline of who did what and when. The subject of the extramarital affairs came up, of course.
They said she appeared stone-faced during this interview and didn't shed any tears as people were offering her consolation and saying they were sorry about it. So this detective spoke with her in order to gather background information and establish a timeline of maybe the whereabouts of Brian on the day he died here.
So Robin told this detective that the victim, Brian, took off for work early that morning. She said that he drove her trailblazer to work because his Honda Accord was having wheel trouble.
So he wanted to go boat shopping, so he came home early from work. This guy has financial problems.
He's coming home early from work to go boat shopping. He's leaving the place that makes him money.
Yeah. So 11 a.m.
here, he leaves work. And the two of them, Robin and Brian, went boat shopping in Lake Charles and then went to Jerry's Marine in Sulphur, a town called Sulphur.
Gross. A town of the worst smell that's ever existed.
Great. They arrived back at home at about 2.30 or 3 that afternoon.
She said at that time he took his Honda Accord and headed to Beaumont to continue his boat shopping. Now, if his car was too fucked up to go to work, who's taking it on an hour and a half trip out of state? Great question.
It makes no sense whatsoever. Who does a road trip at all with a car that's not reliable to go 10 minutes away? Yeah, it doesn't make sense.
I guess the Amy Davis, who is, I think it's his sister-in-law, Brian's sister-in-law, spoke with a boat dealership in Beaumont that remembered Brian calling to say he was headed that way to look at a specific model, but he never made it there. So we're pretty sure he never made it to Beaumont to begin with here.
So Robin said, though, when he headed to Beaumont in his accord, she took her trailblazer to go run errands, go to the cleaners, the grocery store, and get an oil change. They said that they talk about the life insurance policy.
She said, well, he had two life insurance policies, one for $90,000 and one for $40,000. She also told the detective that she learned in March 2009 that he had been having an affair with Fannie Dietz, a co-worker.
When she found out about it, she confronted Dietz here. She said, you know, just put that out there.
I did confront a woman. There was some drama there.
She said she had an alibi, though. She said that on the day her husband went missing, she's running errands with Sissy.
That's all. Then she talked about Fanny Dietz and all that.
So Kelsey comes in, Robin's daughter. She said she arrived at the house here.
Again, she lives here, it looks like, at around 7.30 in the morning the day he was killed. Kelsey was with her boyfriend, and they went to sleep until approximately 2 p.m.
She works the night shift? I hope so. I hope so.

Yeah. Either that or

they just had a fuck afternoon.

Now, Kelsey left with her

boyfriend and didn't arrive back home until

9 p.m. that night.
According

to Kelsey, Robin told her that Brian

never came home from work and no one could get

in touch with him.

So they said that, and she also said

that when the police called her and told her that the that he died that she was crying and throwing up july 4th now 4th of july here in the in louisiana's playground i would think the outdoor shit they'd be going crazy on this day yeah but a place called independence close by oh it's happening uh instead though there's a funeral that day close by. Oh, it's happening.
Instead, though, there's a funeral that day.

Oh, boy.

Now, Robin went to the funeral, but there's a post-funeral memorial service where they're all going to talk to.

She skipped that and went and played video poker.

They really do love it.

They love this video poker, dude.

On the way to work, at my husband's funeral, doesn't matter. I mean, there's no better way to honor a man that has that video poker addiction than just running a few hands.
So a few days go by, July 9th comes, and the detectives receive permission from Robin to search her residence and the trailblazer. And they also, with the help of Justin, her son, they collect a box of ammunition that belonged to Brian.

It contained nine millimeter hydroshock rounds.

Wow.

OK.

Now, Robin gave a formal statement on the ninth.

In this statement, she repeated much of what she already told them.

She told them that also told them that she spoke to Brian once after she and her she and he went their separate ways on the day of the murder. Okay.
Okay. Then when she attempted to call again, the call went straight to voicemail.
She also said she told detectives that before she and Brian left to go boat shopping, that Brian had went to Kroger to get his sick daughter, Bailey, some soup. She lives here, too.
How many people fucking live in this house, dude? It's a trailer. There's just bodies everywhere, man.
I'm counting at least six people so far that live in the adults. Yeah, that's a loud sleepy time.
If anybody snores, this is a nightmare. There can't be more than three small bedrooms in this joint.
There can't be. It's a fucking trailer.
So this is wild. Catherine Davis, Brian's sister, said that Robin told her that Brian never returned from Kroger.
In her statement to detectives though, Robin said that she and he went boat shopping after he returned from Kroger and later split ways. So we don't know if maybe Brian's sister is confused in the in her you know somebody is in her just sadness she didn't really get the timeline right or whatever but that's that could be that so we'll give her that after they split though robin says she picked up sissy to go run errands and uh she also told the detective that the um that the fanny deets his husband Shane, threatened to beat Brian's ass and get him fired as well.
Oh, my God. She's married, too.
Oh, yeah. They're both married.
Yeah, absolutely. Oh, my God.
So the district manager for the insurance company said that Brian told him that his mistress's husband, Shane, might try to have him fired. Hey, just in case this comes up,'m plowing fanny so that could that could be a problem later for everybody so they said how was your finances they ask her Robin right she said her account was overdrawn by almost eight hundred dollars oh my god I don't even know how you overdraw eight hundred dollars I don't know how they keep letting you take it.
That's probably not just one overdraft. That's

several and that's how it compounds

and compiles. And that her house,

the fucking mortgage hasn't been paid

since March. We are

in July? We're in July

and they

currently own

zero car insurance for anything

they own. Nothing is insured.

You're insurance people.

You go to, and you're just going to play video poker.

Wow.

I don't know what to say here about this.

I don't mean to judge people, but that seems irresponsible.

You know what I mean?

At some point, you probably just give up and say, fuck it.

I'm going down with the ship.

I got nothing anyway, I guess.

I don't know.

You're only four months behind on your mortgage.

Maybe start scraping.

Sell some shit.

Get it together.

That's what I mean.

Be, I don't know what's going on.

Fiscally responsible.

It's a lot, dude.

So she said that despite their financial situation, that Daryl Pettifer of Jerry's Marines said that on the day Brian was murdered, he was looking at a $30,000 boat.

Thank you. their financial situation, that Daryl Pettifer of Jerry's Marines said that on the day Brian was murdered, he was looking at a $30,000 boat.
$30,000? Which at the time is worth more than his house. Literally.
He told this guy he planned to pay for the boat with a settlement or a lump sum of cash that he was getting in the near future. From where? What are we talking about? I don't know how much he's coming into.
I don't know anything. I don't know any money he's got coming up to him.
There's nothing like in the pipeline that he's waiting for a thing or like, you know, somebody died, he's getting an inheritance, none of that. So the district attorney asked the detective to look at withdrawals and expenditures beginning in February 2009.
The record showed overdraft charges, frequent withdrawals, and withdrawals at gaming establishments. In particular, on July 10th, Robin Davis, her card was used to purchase $102.75 at Casino Gaming, which is probably the ATM fee.
On July 11th here, she wrote four checks at KD's Diner, $202.75, $102.75, $102.75, and $62.75. We've got to start some ATM businesses.
They are so lucrative. They're crushing it.
And that's the place that has the video poker at the diner. Okay.
Then they look at her cell records here and they became concerned, the detective said, with information they learned from her cell phone records. A call made by Robin at 3.50 p.m.
pinged off a tower on Elliott Road in Lake Charles. According to the detective, the tower is just south of the area or is south of the area where she had been claiming to run errands there's other towers that would have pinged her if she was in that area yeah they bring in Franny Dietz for questioning which I would consider her definitely yeah did I say Franny? Fanny yes Fanny Dietz here they bring her in for questioning she's obviously considered a person of interest because her husband had threatened to beat his ass.
So, you know, yeah, she knew about that. And also, I guess she said that Robin's son, Justin, didn't get along with Brian either.
so Fannie said they had an affair for about a year and a half it ended in March 2009 when Robin confronted her about it according to her her husband Shane also confronted Brian about the

affair Fanny said they had an affair for about a year and a half. It ended in March 2009 when Robin confronted her about it.

According to her, her husband Shane also confronted Brian about the affair. Shane confirmed that he confronted Brian about the affair, but denied ever threatening him.
So Fanny was questioned and took officers to a spot at which she had previously used to meet him, I guess to fuck in a car. They described it as being a spot off of Henry Pugh Boulevard, which runs off of Big Lake Road near Calcasieu Point Landing.
So that's in this area. The body was found less than a mile from here.
Away from his fuck spot? Away from his fuck spot, yeah. Uh so the detective, uh, also says that her phone record showed that she was, um, I guess she was far away from here on June 29th.
She was in Crowley that day. So the detective also says that Shane, her husband's phone records show that he was not in Lake Charles on June 29th either.
So that neither of them are around that day. They're clear pretty much.
They said there was a gap of several hours between phone calls for both Mr. and Mrs.
Dietz and Shane's records showed that he made a phone call at 2 50 PM, then received no other calls or texts until he received a text at 10 54 PM, which complete radio silence from anybody in the world for fucking hours like that. Congratulations.
And the phone records for Fanny showed no activity between 928 a.m. and 456 p.m.
Five hours? Shit, five. That's fucking seven and a half.
From 928 a.m. to 456 p.m.? Oh, I was going the other way.
Why did I do that? I don't know. And then according to the detectives also, they spoke with Shane's boss, who verified that he was at work on the day of the disappearance.
And digging more into the cell records, they'd clear the deetses. They didn't do it.
Now, the insurance. When they spoke with Davis, she said $90,000 and $40,000.

Remember? That was the insurance money that she was getting from Brian. Later on, however, they learned

from the state farm insurance agent that there were two additional policies, one in the amount of $100,000

and another in the amount of $250,000 that she didn't tell them about.

Talk about $400,000 that she's going to get out of this?

Yep, and there's a couple other ones here and there that have an additional $150,000 for accidental deaths. Oh, my God.
Four policies totaling $645,000. Oh, my God.
Which is a lot more than $130,000. That's life-changing.
Yeah, especially if you live in a trailer that's five months behind your fucking mortgage. You could buy the whole neighborhood for that.
Yeah, that only costs $40,000 today. Oh, my God.
So they also dug into it and figured out that Robin collected an insurance payout after her first husband died in a car accident. Oh, yeah.
So they're like, who gets two insurance payouts in a year and a half? Right. Of this much money that literally doesn't need anywhere near this much money.
Yeah, they're thinking maybe she realized dead husband means insurance money. Yeah, this is a very lucrative business.
So, physical evidence. Now, one of the deputies that responded to the murder scene said that Brian's vehicle appeared to be having tire trouble.
The lug nuts were taken off in one of the tires and the spare tire was on the

ground in order to protect the tire from further damage during the towing

process.

They replaced the seemingly the detect the deputy replaced the seemingly

damaged tire with the spare.

Why would you do that?

Don't do that.

Why would you touch that?

The tire was taken to Southern tireire Mart to be examined for defects.

The store manager testified later that he found no defects in the tire. So there was nothing wrong with the tire, why it would have been changed, which is strange.
They also said that it does not happen often, but new tires sometimes will leak if they're not sealed well around the rim. they said there are and they said there's also situations which a tire can go flat even if

there's no damage to the outer part of the tire. There's lots of ways a tire can go flat.
Yeah, if your valve is a little fucked up or something like that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I didn't think about that. I was thinking air can just come through the rubber.
Yeah, just coming out. So the Southwest Louisiana Crime Lab person, Lynn Miller, was asked to examine fingerprints

lifted from the crime scene in the case. The fingerprints were lifted from the car jack,

the windows of the Honda Accord, and an iPod found in the car. Remember iPods? Yeah.
The

spare tire rim and the mirror on the sun visor of the Accord. The only fingerprint that they

were able to identify was Robin's fingerprint

on the mirror of the sun visor.

Oh, yeah.

Another person that works with the lab

performed DNA analysis on several

items recovered from the crime scene, because this is

2009, so we got a lot

of DNA shit going on. The

victim's body was too decomposed to

yield a blood sample. Two days

it took for that to happen. Three days.

He had no more blood in him? Gone.

Wow. That is

Thank you. The victim's body was too decomposed to yield a blood sample.
Two days it took for that to happen.

Three days. He had no more blood in him? Gone.
Wow. That is wild.
He bled out and then dried up. Yeah.
Yeah. She said that this medical examiner explained that the only way to obtain a known DNA profile from someone is to obtain a sample directly from the person's fluid or cellular material.
She concluded that DNA found in the victim's belt, fingernails, a bottle cap found at the scene, and his driver's license belonged to an unidentified male. We're going to assume that's Brian, basically.
So they said it was most likely the victim. She reached this opinion by examining a bunch of shit and figuring it out, basically.
So they compared DNA found in the belt buckle and beer bottle and all that stuff here. They discovered no female DNA on any of the items recovered from the scene.
Okay. Now, the gun.
His stepson, I guess, Justin, Robin's son, said that he always kept a Springfield XD 9mm handgun either on his person or in his car. Always with him.
Yeah, common easy, lots of 15 in the chamber on that one, right? Or 15 in the clip on that one. Very common pistol, too.
Yeah, yeah. Mass produced, Jesus.
Totally. Yeah, I have a BB version of that exact gun.
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Now back to the show. According to this guy here, Douglas Lancone, who's the expert in firearms and tool mark identification, the two projectiles were fired from the same gun and were characteristic of Federal's hydroshock design.
Uh-oh. Hydro, yeah.
So on cross-examination, yeah, later, yeah, he'll acknowledge that there are at least 11 manufacturers that could have made the gun that fired the bullets, one of which was Springfield. Now, Robin's mom said that she deposited $4,000 into Robin's account around the time of the disappearance.
She said Robin told her mom that she was instructed by police not to use the account since Brian was missing. So because they want to track in case he used it at all.
So Robin's mom said she did not know that he was dead when Robin asked her for the money.

When asked if she ever told the police that Robin told her the account was frozen because of the death investigation, the mom said if she did, it was because he was already dead at the time she was being interviewed.

She said, I deposited $4,000 into a new account for my daughter, Robin Davis, around the time of the funeral.

I don't know exactly when, but I know it was after he had died.

Now, later on, though, they figure out that the deposit was made on July 1st, the day he was found.

Okay.

Which is not, doesn't.

It's not missing.

The deposit was made before they found the body. So that's odd.
You know what I mean? Now there's Stephanie Wells. She's the other one who was living at the house at the time.
I don't know how. Wow.
She's a good friend and lives with them. She said she had eye surgery the day he disappeared.
She said that she remembered seeing Sissy's car parked in the grass when they left for surgery. She said she returned home from surgery about 1030 a.m.
She did not recall seeing Sissy's car at the residence at that point. She said that Robin was home when this woman returned home and Brian arrived a few minutes later.
Brian asked this woman if she would watch his daughter Bailey while they went boat shopping. Hey, person who just had surgery, will you babysit for me so I can go boat shopping with money I don't have? Watch my kid.
I had surgery on my eyes. I can't watch anything.
I can't watch shit at this point. She said she never saw Brian again, but Robin returned home around 5 p.m.

She said she, this Wells said she called Brian between 3 and 3.30, but the phone call went to voicemail.

At 3.42, she sent him a text message stating that Bailey was not feeling well.

They said that the cell phone records indicate that she tried to call him at 3.42.

The call went straight to voicemail. The voicemail was followed by a text message stating that Bailey was ill.
She didn't get a call back, but she did get it from him, but she did get a call back from Robin. According to this, Robin called Ms.
Wells at 3.50 p.m., and this woman assumed that Brian and Robin were still together. And she says she thinks Robin told her she was going to run errands at that point.
So there's a lot of this. She also acknowledged that Robin made this call to her around 3.50 p.m.
And she said that Robin and Sissy arrived home from running errands at 5 or 5.30 p.m. And then she also said that when she found out about the death, that Robin was very distraught and crying.
So there's that. Now, she did not believe that his Honda was there when she left.
But when she returned, she believed that Sissy's Jetta was gone and the Honda was there. So it's very confusing.
July 13th, they talked to Robin again. Let's figure this out, okay? She repeated much of the same shit here.
She explained that the Honda was not at the house in the morning of the murder because Sissy had drove it home the night before when her car would not start because she left her lights on. Sissy lives there most of the time.
But here's what I don't get. I thought the wheel was fucked up and that's why he didn't take it.
Well, now it's got a bad battery, too. No, no, no.
Sissy's car had a bad battery. So Sissy was using the Honda.
She's using the Honda.

Earlier she said he didn't take the Honda because the wheel was fucked up.

Now she's saying he didn't take the Honda because Sissy had it.

Okay.

So that's what's different.

Yeah.

She said that Sissy told her the Jetta, her car, was good and that she could come pick it up.

According to Robin, Sissy picked up the Jetta and left the Accord at their house while Robin and Brian were boat shopping.

She said that we split ways, me and my husband split ways between 2.30 and 3 in the afternoon.

Robin talked to Brian about 3 o'clock while driving to Sissy's house because apparently she just moved out.

So Robin had to wait for Sissy to get ready.

The two then went to the cleaners, Albertson's grocery store, and back to the residence. When told by the detectives that her cell phone was being used in the area of the murder, she said she wasn't there.
She said she'd never been in the area where the murder occurred until after the body had been found. She had no explanation for her cell phone being used in that area during the murder.
That's not good. Let's talk to Sissy.
Let's see what Sissy's got to say here. Let's do that.
Because she's the mystery here. She said she was at the Davis home all afternoon the day before the murder which was a Sunday.
She said when Sissy started to leave around midnight her car wouldn't start so Robin told her to take the Honda since he would be driving the trailblazer to work the next morning. The next morning, Davis called Sissy to tell her that Brian would be needing the Honda.
Sissy put five to ten dollars worth of gas in the car and drove it to the residence. She's like, that's about how much I used.
It's not 1994. Four or five.
That's nothing. That's nothing.
So according to the detective, a video from ShopRite showed Sissy at the store shortly after 11 p.m. According to Sissy, she drove the Accord to Davis's residence and then Robin drove Sissy back home.
So Sissy claimed she stayed home until Robin picked her up to run errandss later that afternoon remember after they had split ways during boat shopping sissy was not ready when robin arrived so they did not leave to run errands until an hour later took you an hour to get ready to run errands brush your teeth and get out there what are you doing put some underwear on that's all so uh when they left the house they went straight to the dry cleaners and to Albertsons. At first, Sissy stated that Robin drove while running errands, but later remembered that she drove.
They completed the errands and arrived at the residence around 5 or 5.30. When the victim here, Brian, was still missing on Tuesday, Sissy drove around looking for him because he had previously taken them fishing at that one point, the Calcasu point.
I'm sure I'm saying that wrong. Thank you, Louisiana people.
Sissy drove to that point to look for him. When asked what she thought about the fact that this point was so close to the murder scene, she replied, she never thought about that.
No, no, no. They said, well, it was found less than a mile away.
What the fuck? Anyway, she also told them that she had no knowledge of the death at all um then at one point they explained the difference to sissy between first and second degree murder oh and she asked if he thought she killed do you think i did it and he said he thought she had some direct or indirect knowledge of the murder and she stated that she did not know what happened and said, I'm leaving now and fucking took off. Yeah, I'm done with this interview.
So that was done. Now, there's a video from Walgreens.
Based on the fact that Robin stated she went to the drugstore on the morning of the disappearance, the detective obtained a video from Walgreens. The video is introduced to evidence.
The video shows that at 8 52 on the morning of June 29th, both Sissy and Robin are together entering the store, which they absolutely said they were not together. Remember that? According to the detective, Sissy never mentioned going to the drug store with her because they weren't supposed to be together yet.
Until afterwards. They also noticed in their separate interrogations between Robin and Sissy that they were caught in lies, numerous lies about their whereabouts that day.
However, neither woman tried to throw the other one under the bus. Neither one tried to be like, well, maybe she did this or maybe she did that.
The one investigator said they were joined at the hip the whole time so after creating this detailed map of all the movements on the day of the murder including times of events and vehicles that were being driven they theorized that sissy staged the flat tire because she had the court she had the accord right she staged the flat tire and brian was called to go to the scene to, is what they think. Okay.
As he knelt to fix the flat, they think he was shot in the back, tried to run for his life, but was shot three more times and died. Oh my god! The detectives theorize that each woman fired the weapon, which makes no sense.
I'll shoot it twice and hand it to you when you shoot it a couple times. What are we doing some Some kind of, what are we, 12? Doing a gang initiation? No.
Or maybe when he was hit those two times and he fell down, maybe the other grabbed the gun and said I'm a better shot. Yeah, I don't know.
Put one in his head. So the phone pings are a big thing.
There's a lot of shit with the phone pings. I'm trying to get to the ones that matter the most.
One is a Robin Davis call at 3.50 p.m. During this call, Davis's phone originated at Sprint Tower 4045 and ended up two minutes and 23 seconds later on Sprint Tower 3045.
According to the agents here, neither Tower 4045 nor Tower 3045 can be utilized at the murder scene. However, the towers can be used a half a mile up the road from the murder scene.
That's where they start pinging. They're talking about how this is a more rural area out here, so there are less cell towers.
So a cell tower pinging might have an eight square mile radius of where it could be, whereas if you're in the city, you can get block to block type of shit. So they said that using mapping software and a drive test to find the most direct route from Jerry's Marine to the areas covered by these towers, the towers used by this by Robin during a 350 call.
The mapping program and drive testing showed a distance of 21 miles and approximate travel time of 28 minutes. They opined that it was possible for Robin and the victim to arrive at the murder

scene by 3.36 p.m. Robin's phone calls then are after 3.50 p.m.
would show that she moved a little to the east and then to the southeast and then back into the vicinity of a residence. So they're saying she could have killed him and been on that cell tower by 3.50.
Wow. At 4.39, she made a phone call that used Sprint Tower 2280.
Both AAA cleaners and Albertsons are in the coverage area for that tower. Then at 936, she's pinged at a tower that serves her residence.
so um yeah that's interesting uh very very interesting they said that the phone the

victim's phone the phone used cell tower 3045 the the same tower used by Robin's phone in her 350 call.

His phone made a call at 344 p.m. lasting two seconds from there.

Two seconds.

So that's very, very fucking interesting.

They also said that Robin's cell phone used cell tower 3045 at 731 the day before the murder and 350 the day of the murder. So I think they might have been looking scoping out the spot to do it.
So the theory is obviously they review everything and they they opine that because the accord was not muddy. The vehicle also had to have arrived at the scene before it rained on the day of the murder.
The meteorology reports from Lake Charles Airport indicate that the rain began around 3.45 p.m. on the day of the murder and lasted until 7 p.m.
So that's out of her. She's fucking that all up.
They also noted there was a live round located near the victim's vehicle. They said that they may indicate the person firing the weapon is not particularly familiar with this firearm.
Maybe they had one in the chamber and they cocked it and shot it out anyway. Yeah, that's what they're thinking.
They said that the shooter may have been standing and the victim bending over when he was shot in the back. They also think that they don't know if he was shot with his own own gun they're looking at the information concerning the brand of the live round found at the scene and all of that and they said the evidence at the scene supports the probability that he may have been shot with his own gun given there's a particular type of ammunition called hydroshocks and you know shootings that i have investigated you rarely ever see hydroshocks with the exception of law enforcement personnel and shooting enthusiasts.
And he was one of those. So he said that the fact that the bullets recovered from the body were hydroshocks and the cartridge casings found at the scene were federal just lends more support than he may have been shot with his own gun.
But he said he did not, wasn't able to ever get his firearm to make a definitive determination. November 2009, Robin and Sissy are both indicted for murder.
Yeah. They got them both.
But they said it's a tough one. There's no murder weapon, no DNA, no witnesses, no nothing.
All we got are cell towers. And it's shaky on those and just logic.
We got cell towers and assumptions that they're lying. That's it.
Yeah. So 2011 is jury is picked.
But when they're supposed to be sworn in, the prosecutor has a health problem and it's delayed. so there's a delay and the original jurors later on are recalled but they're eventually

dismissed and a new jury is chosen

because of an illness by

the prosecutor that's going to come up later. So in 2012, the trial comes up here.
Prosecutor displays the fully inflated tire that Brian drove out to change a fine tire. So they said the tire was a lie.
He wasn't changing a tire. The prosecutor said working in concert with the women, working working in concert, the women lured Davis to the secluded area to kill him for, you know, who knows why.
Now, Sissy argues that the state's case against her is especially weak and circumstantial, devoid of any evidence that she was present during the commission of the murder. And she doesn't even get any fucking insurance money.
she says that the evidence when viewed in most light, most favorable to the state merely shows that her cell phone may have been within a geographical area constituting numerous square miles at times she says she was not. And she says that not surprising that her stories would be wrong, given that few people can recall hour by hour what they did weeks before and under extreme grief and stress.
So the crime scene guy says he believed the whole incident was staged because of all the documentation that I examined and showed that the tire was fairly recently purchased and there's no defects in it. He said, as far as I know, it held its charge of air once it was charged.
So someone just let the air out of it. No defects on it.
And they said also he had a compressor in the trunk of his car and I don't know whether or not his compressor was functioning or not, but if his tire was flat instead of changing the tire, perhaps he could have tried the compressor first. So medical death examiner comes up and says the same thing about the same thing about the car and about, you know, the, the mud and everything like that.
And, uh, they talk about that. He was found in a secluded area and that his, his belt was unbuckled in his shoes and a sock were off.
Okay. And they said that yes, because the defense says, couldn't he have been getting undressed when he was killed? And they said that, yeah, I guess, but anything's possible.
So the defense brings in their own communications expert as well to try to thwart the ping theories here. Prosecution in closing says, quote, he had an affair.
She caught him in the affair. She confronted him about the affair.
Number two, she had no money and yet she was out gambling video poker. We showed her bank records, overdrafts, overdraws, all the insurance proceeds.
He had over $700,000 in insurance proceeds and her and her friend were joined at the hip. She said so.
Sissy drove the Condo Accord to Wagon Wheel Road, feigned a flat tire rather than going home and switching cars. As Robin claimed, they said that she and Sissy drove or that she and Brian drove the trailblazer straight from Jerry's Marine to Wagon Wheel Road.
And they said either way, whoever did the shooting, it doesn't matter. They were both in on it and they're both there.
So the defense says the state has to put on sufficient evidence and they didn't do it in this case.

So they're innocent because of that. Didn't prove the case.
Sissy's attorney said it's hard to find any evidence that Sissy Saltzman or Robin Davis said anything more than have inconsistent statements to the police, which is not enough to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that someone committed a crime. they said was Brian.

Then they also said maybe Brian Davis was going to engage in some monetary transaction

that was illegal on the day of his demise. Maybe that's why he was boat shopping.
Was he killed in a drug deal gone bad? Was he engaged in sexual conduct when he was caught by a jealous husband or boyfriend and killed? Did he drive his car to Wagon Wheel Road, leave it parked there and leave in another vehicle belonging to someone else? Why would he do that? Who knows? That makes no sense. Then they also, when they go to the jury, it's going to be the second-degree murder or manslaughter and all that.
The defense gets the lesser charges taken off. So it's only murder? Your only choice is murder because they figure they won't convict them of that, but they might do a compromise and convict them on manslaughter.
That's ballsy. It's real ball.
It's an all or nothing thing here. So the verdict comes in.
By the way, this is an 11 to 1 verdict. Oh.
Louisiana did not have to have unanimous verdicts until 2019. So, wow.
I'll disparage that great state. Yeah, let's disparage it.
Come on, everybody. Let's disparage Louisiana.
They are known for murdering a lot of people. Let's say that.
Think about how many people Harry Connick Sr. sentenced to death on juries that weren't even unanimous.
That's remarkable. He's a monster.
So, following an 11-to-1 verdict, they are both found guilty of second-degree murder. Really? Yeah, that's a tough one, man.
I mean, like, I think they did it, but I don't know if there's enough to convict them in a court. That's fascinating.
So during sentencing, during the victim impact, Brian's mother said that he loans his car to Sissy. He allows her to use it because her car is supposedly broken down.
You know, all this type of shit. And he says that it's, it's complete bullshit.
She says, and we all know it was no more flat than it was full and it stayed inflated the entire time. They left the tire full of air sitting in the court the whole time.
So you could watch it day after day, not losing any air. That's a burner.
That's, that's a good one there. They both maintain their innocence during sentencing.
I guess you have to? I don't know. Robin said she'd continue to fight for her freedom and Sissy claimed she would know no peace until the real killer was found.
Wow. The judge.
I will not rest. I will not rest.
That's what OJ said. The judge told them it was a senseless act of selfishness for their own gain and there was sufficient evidence to support the guilty verdict.
You ma'ams may fuck off life without parole for both of them. Without? Without.
Louisiana. Wow.
And now they can't have the insurance money either, which goes to his mother now, Brian's mother.

2014, the Louisiana Supreme Court voted six to one not to hear their appeals. They said the central issue of double jeopardy could be appealed to the U.S.
Supreme Court, but he didn't say whether they'd appeal. 2014, the U.S.
Supreme Court says, no, thanks. We don't want to hear it.
We don't even care. 2018, voters in Louisiana finally vote to abolish non-unanimous juries.
Then two years later, the Supreme Court declares them unconstitutional anyway, which also brings that to end in Oregon, where they also did that. What do they do about this? This stays on.
It's not retroactive. That would be a nightmare.
That would that would be crazy millions of people out of jail so then 2019 they're reappealing again and um it's not going well for them they're denied a new trial so they said basically you're arguing sufficiency of evidence which is up to the jury and they made their decision there was an indiegogo campaign called Bring Brian Home. She buried Brian in Lake Charles, which is hours away from his family and independence.
So they said in this, adding insult to injury, Robin had Brian buried on the 4th of July with numerous overtures and innuendos. She also had Brian buried in a mausoleum, far out of sight, far out of reach, tucked away as if he were a pair of old socks.
His family and loved ones lived three hours away, and most have no idea how to even find his burial site. His children seldom are able to visit his burial site due to the great distance.
His mother with health conditions seldom gets to visit. Blah, blah, blah.
They want to bring him to independence and bury him. It's a mausoleum, so that's in a drawer, right? It's in a drawer.
So, yeah, they want to pull him out, take him over there. Okay.
The campaign was for $8,500, and they raised 3% of it. They raised $330 of this, which is sad.
When was that? That was 2009. It's been over for years.
And it still says on Find a Grave, his burial is in

Lake Charles, so they never moved him, it sounds like.

There is a Facebook page, also

Free Carol, Sissy Saltzman

and Robin Davis, which

has 785 likes and 824

followers. That's way too

many. That's a lot.
So there you go, everybody.

There's Lake Charles, Louisiana.

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