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This week, in Riceboro, Georgia, a wild story unfolds, complete with a dismembered body, a buried head, and a spouse who's supposedly on the run from killers, while a helpful FBI agent who may not even exist helps everyone stay alive.

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Let's go on a trip, everybody.

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We are going down to Georgia this week.

We're going to Riceboro.

Yeah.

Rice, B-O-R-O.

Riceboro.

Oh.

Riceboro, Georgia.

No you, no G, no.

No, none of that.

It started like that.

We'll get to it.

This is down in southeastern Georgia.

This is way out.

They actually grow rice down there, right?

In this area, yeah, they've been for a while here.

This is about 45 minutes to Savannah, Georgia.

About an hour and a half to Jacksonville.

You want to go south.

And then about five and a half hours to our last Georgia episode, which was Somerville, Georgia.

That was episode 599, Madness of a Murderous Maniac.

He was mad.

I'll give myself credit for that title.

That's good alliteration right there.

This is in Liberty County, area code 912.

The motto here is Deep Roots, Strong People, Lasting Pride.

Yeah.

That's their motto.

History of this town.

The community was named for the rice industry that was here.

Yeah.

Because in the beginning, they grew rice here.

This is kind of, it's kind of near the water, though.

So it's, you know, it's got different as it grew, it changed a lot.

Riceborough.

Exactly.

Riceborough was the second county seat of Liberty County.

It's had that for about 40 years, and this is from the late 1700s to about 1835.

So

then they switched it somewhere else.

They first incorporated the village of Riceboro with the UGH on it.

And then they got rid of that at some point here.

Reviews of this town because we've never been here.

We don't know anything about it.

Let's find out what other people think.

Here's five stars.

Riceboro is a very small town, but it's a growing community.

It's getting bigger.

Yep.

It's a beautiful town, really.

Seriously.

I swear.

I swear it.

And everyone is one big family.

Wow.

We have, I hope that's a euphemism.

I hope they don't mean literally.

You know what I mean?

You never know sometimes.

We have festivals and so many activities.

It's really a,

I love the last sentence.

It's really a great small town.

I'm selling this as hard as I can.

And there's only two reviews, and they're both five stars.

So that's

it.

Really?

It might be great.

Here's five stars again.

Hello.

Hello.

My name is Crystal West.

Hi, Crystal.

Welcome.

Welcome.

Welcome aboard.

Welcome to the show.

I am from a very small rural town called Riceboro, Georgia.

My town has a lot of history and great loving people.

We love to show our visitors southern hospitality.

My town is more of a senior and retirement area, not much of a nightlife.

But if you drive to Hinesville, Georgia, a town about 15 minutes away, it offers more nightlife.

Everyone knows about the famous nightclubs of Hinesville, Georgia.

Illustrious, Caroline.

Yeah, we know that.

It's whenever you see like an NBA Finals game, you see the guys running off the court.

That's to catch the last flight to Hinesville so they can go party that night.

You know, there's nobody else anywhere.

We're located about 30 minutes from Savannah, Georgia.

I would recommend you visit my area and try some of the best seafood at our local restaurant, Captain Joe's.

Oh, let's all go to Captain Joe's, everybody.

Kel Captain Joe.

Knock off Long John Silver's.

Knock off Captain Ron's.

Knock off Captain D's.

Yeah.

We look forward to seeing you soon.

And then again, Crystal West at the end.

She wants to know.

Crystal put this in there

twice.

People in this town, 977.

So it's a small town.

Nobody.

That is nobody.

Men and women, it's 54% women.

So fellas, that's a place to go.

It's mainly because it's a retirement crowd and women live longer than men.

So that's they've just outlasted their husbands.

Median age here is 52.3, which is 15 years older than the national average.

That is, it's an old town.

Jeff Propes needs to be the mayor of this town.

It's a survivor.

That's exactly what it is.

See who can make it to Jacksonville.

Family here, 49.2% married and

12% are single with children.

So those are about average.

A lot of average stats.

Race in this town, 7.5% white, 87.6% black, 0% Hispanic,

3.5% Hawaiian Pacific Islander.

This town.

So there's a

community of, yeah, it's interesting.

And the weird part is everyone involved in our story is white, too, which is strange.

Wild.

It's crazy.

27% of the people here are religious.

It's usually 50-50.

But still, even at 27%, the highest one is Baptist.

Because as we know, the Baptists are the Catholics of the South.

As we know,

there's a lot of Catholics up north, a lot of Baptists down south.

There's low unemployment here.

It's like half the national average.

So people are hustling.

Median household income here, though, is rough.

It is $40,911 a a year my word almost thirty thousand below the national average it's not good cost of living in this town here uh we have throughout the rest of the united states a hundred is regular average here it's 79 so not that bad very affordable the lowest thing is housing housing is ultra cheap the median home cost here is 119 500

median median home cost median wow that is

That is fascinating.

That is bonkers.

And the weird part is, though the house is for sale, none of them are that low.

But all the home values are low.

So it's very strange.

Would you pay for your first house?

Where?

Ever.

Ever?

That you owned.

Oh, God.

2,000.

Your very first house.

Yeah.

Remember?

Yeah, it was

$210,000.

Okay.

We couldn't afford it at all.

No, I paid $119,000.

We lost that house, so that doesn't matter.

That was years ago.

Okay.

That's how that goes.

So if you, like us, are looking for a new house, we have for you the Riceboro, Georgia Real Estate Report.

Okay, your average two-bedroom rental here.

I'm trying to say.

We laughed all the way through the theme suck.

My life.

Jimmy was losing air quick there through the theme suck.

Two-bedroom rental average here goes for $910, which is well below the national.

That's great.

Yeah.

Not bad.

First house here is certainly a trailer.

Definitely.

That is definitely not attached to the ground.

That's not bad, though.

I do love the try to make it a home with the peak.

That's nice.

And the front porch, too.

Yeah.

And the stairs going down.

I pulled that on as soon as it popped.

But they're a nicer front step than most.

It's not like that three steep steps.

It's like a nice grade going up there.

Three steep steps of parking.

Yeah.

This is on 0.89 acres, so a little bit of land, and it's a four-bedroom, two-bath, 2,320 square foot.

It's not bad to the kitchen as, you know, the granite countertops and nice stuff.

I mean, it's been redone, new wood floors and that kind of thing.

So it's not bad on the inside.

That's a big house, too, 2,300 square feet.

$210,000 for that.

Okay.

Once again, like every real estate listing we've done recently, recent price cut on that one.

Yeah.

And another recent price cut here, we have house number two is a four-bedroom, three-bath, 2,695 square foot house.

It's on nine acres.

It looks like, look at it here.

Nice.

It's a nice house, right?

With the pillars in the front.

The windows.

I love those top windows.

It's probably not

a livable attic, but it looks awesome.

That's cool.

Well, it's the second floor, so it's probably bedroom windows.

Okay, so it is housing.

It's not bad.

Nine acres, too.

It's pretty good.

It's just had a $500 price cut, which

is really on sale.

Now it's going to move.

$749,000.

Okay.

Yeah, that $500 was the sticking point.

I'm sure they had a few people under contract that backed out and they were like, $7.49,000 I could do, but $7.49,5, I feel like I'm stretching.

I just do.

I feel like we're going to lose it, like James.

Bank's going to take you back.

And then, oh, by the way, yes, $749.

Okay, the next one is

17 beds, 23 bath.

It's an old hotel.

2,099 acres.

Oh, my God.

And look at like the land, too.

There's like boats and streams.

You have a fan boat.

Yeah, look at this.

Look at that.

It's on like an island.

It's a resort.

type place

with an organic farm on it and everything else.

Oh.

$52,500,000.

Yeah, I go fuck yourself.

And no price cut on that one.

$52,000.

Nobody's buying that, right?

I would love it if they cut $500 off of that one.

$52,499,500.

I would love it.

Who the fuck would want that?

$52 million.

I have no idea.

$52 million to live in Louisiana.

No.

Georgia.

Where is this?

Yeah.

Georgia.

Georgia.

Yeah.

To live.

Wow.

I mean, it's beautiful.

It's gorgeous.

Is that?

I mean, if that's what you're into, but

it's like a resort and a farm.

Yeah, there's bugs and animals that will eat you in your sleep.

I'm not living there.

You have to have a serious business model.

This isn't for like you and your kids are going to move in.

No, no, no.

Yeah.

That's not a weekend getaway.

This is like you get an investment group together and do a whole thing.

Things to do here in this town.

Here we go.

Rice Fest 2025.

All right.

Sure.

It is happening soon, too, November 7th through the 9th.

I do love rice, though.

I love rice.

Rice is great.

Three, three, four days away.

I love it.

Rice is great.

I love all kinds of rice, too.

That's the other thing.

Whatever you got for me, I'll eat it.

I don't care.

I love it.

This celebrates the Gullah Geechee culture and the vast history of coastal Georgia.

The event in the last three years attracted over 3,500 people every year and continues to grow.

Some events here.

There's all these posters, as you can see.

All the posters.

Yeah, homecoming dance.

Yeah.

What is that?

Oh, the black guy looks like a cowboy hat with the red under the bag.

No,

that whole flyer looks like a no-limit soldiers album.

I was just going to say it looks like a Master P or Silk the Shocker album.

That is cool.

That was the next thing.

The way they put it together, it is interesting.

The black guy with the, it looks like Patrice O'Neal.

If you put a cowboy hat, a black cowboy hat with red under the brim, like a Louboutin.

It's a Loubouton cowboy hat.

They have the Rice Fest.

Yeah, that's what they're making now.

The Rice Fest Homecoming Dance.

Performance by the Special Formula Band.

All right.

I don't know.

And hosted by...

Sauce was taken.

Oh, yeah.

Stephanie Batiste.

$40 includes a meal as well.

Okay, that's fine.

Jesus.

Yeah.

Catering done by the real Brownstone Experience.

And there we go.

There's also

gospel star Dottie Peoples.

Oh, boy.

I don't know.

That's going to be hosted by Shannon LeCount.

And then the famous Swanny Quintet will be performing.

So famous.

So famous.

Oh, my God.

There'll be an inspirational prayer of unity.

Local artists as well.

A choir.

Miasha Hall, Terry Curry, the anointed wings of faith will be there.

Dottie Peoples, okay.

And then also,

the last day, they have Mike Clark Jr., that is Loubaton Stetson guy,

along with DJ Ricky Nails.

Oh.

And a special performance by the Special Formula Band, who has more people on stage than a 1993 Arrested Development concert.

They're making no money.

Yeah,

that is a lot of people.

There's literally 20 people in this picture.

I don't know how you make

a dime.

How do you make a dime?

It's like a big band.

Like, yeah, I don't know where Benny Goodman is leading these people.

It's fucking crazy.

Dave Matthew.

Jesus Christ.

Hosted by Stephanie Batiste again.

Oh, she's hosting all weekend.

Oh, she's busy.

She's a busy gal all weekend here.

So, yeah,

there's also a Sarah McRiver Rice Fest cook-off.

Who makes the best rice?

Sarah McRiver Rice Fest cook-off.

Let's do it.

And also a

who can boil water the best.

Who can do it?

Oh,

it's been 20 minutes.

Take it off.

But yeah.

Let's just put it in a rice maker.

It was even better.

Yeah, the rice pot has ruined everything.

Oh, it's so so easy.

Like, fuck.

Damn it.

There's also a Corvette car show as well.

Maybe I'll

drive on down there.

Head on there.

Head on down to Riceboro.

I'll bet this is actually fun.

Oh, I'm sure it is.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm sure they probably have good food.

And it's only 40 bucks.

That's awesome.

What?

What festival have we done that was that affordable where you get food and a show?

You get food and a dance.

Yeah, never.

It's always $200.

Shawnee, Stephanie, Batiste, or whatever it is.

Crime rate in this town.

What we are interested in here, property crime is slightly above the national average.

Okay.

Violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and of course, assault.

The Mount Rushmore of crime is just under the national average.

So

pretty average.

We'll say average crime here.

That said, let's talk about a murder.

Let's do this.

Like I said, I watched the whole trial riveted and fascinated by this.

This is one of the craziest cases ever.

And when it goes to court,

it's even crazier.

It's better.

It's insanity.

I mean, when

it can get.

When a murder suspect has a story that sounds crazy, but like it's the story that the defense attorney's pitching in opening arguments and saying evidence or whatever, and then in closing arguments, that's one thing.

But when the accused gets on the stand and repeats this crazy story, that's when gold happens.

That's when, like, that's when, that's the, that's the sweet spot of a trial right there, man.

How dare you say this shit?

Unbelievable.

So let's talk about some people here.

Let's introduce, first of all, Nicholas James Kassotis.

K-A-S-S-O-T-I-S Kassotis.

He is born around 1982 here.

He grew up born in Chambersburg, Pennsylvania.

That's where he's from.

He grew up, his mom's name is Linda.

His father's name is Wayne.

If it's really his father, as we'll find out later.

Awesome.

You never know.

This is nothing, nothing can be taken at face value in this story.

Everything has a...

Smoke and mirrors and lies and great.

Mainly

if you put smoke and mirrors on top of a bed of quicksand, that's what the story is.

It's fucking insane.

Okay.

He was raised in Fitzwilliam, New Hampshire, which is a very small town, population under 3,000.

A little tiny place.

I don't know exactly where it is.

I don't remember.

I just know it's under 3,000 population here.

Now, he's a smart guy, Nick.

Real smart guy.

He goes to college looking to be a lawyer.

He is going to earn two law degrees, including one from Northeastern University.

He went to Boston University.

He got his BA, which is a good school.

He went to Northeastern University.

B.A.

from BU?

Get out of here.

B.A.

from B.U.

He went to Northeastern Law School and then went to Georgetown, which is...

Okay,

a very smart guy.

Yeah.

He's been to a lot of colleges for the right reason.

Absolutely.

Georgetown, he got his LLM in national security slash cybersecurity.

So he's got,

I have no idea.

This is how we're very dumb, and neither of us have gone to college.

I've never heard of an LLM.

I don't know.

I know what a BA.

I know a, you know.

I know what an MLM is?

MBA.

I know that.

I know what an LLC is.

Other than that, I'm clueless.

That's all I got.

too many acronyms.

I don't know.

So law and national and cybersecurity are his specialties.

So I would assume law that has to do with national security is going to be his main deal.

And that is exactly the path he takes as he is a commissioned Navy officer in June of 2006.

So he goes through all that school and then he goes

to the Navy.

He served as a JAG in the Navy.

Oh, a lawyer of

I know that because of the TV show.

I was just going to say, you might recognize that from the show that was on for like 40 years.

Is it still on?

I don't even know.

Probably.

I have no idea, but it was a show where, called Jag, I've never seen an episode.

I don't know who's in it, but I know it was a show about Navy lawyers.

That's all.

And I assume they solve crimes or something.

That's all I can imagine.

Yeah, I do.

I know.

I never watched it.

I got to assume that old people made that show stick around as long as as it was.

I think that was for an older crowd.

I'm sure some younger people watched it, but I think

it had mainly

an older audience.

It was like NCIS.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Any like, it's so weird.

Any like military policing thing, you put a TV show on, anyone over 70 will really flock to it.

Love it.

They'll love it.

It was canceled in 2005.

Oh, there you go.

It was on for a few years at least.

10 years.

There you go.

That's a long time.

10 seasons.

I know it.

I remember hearing it got canceled after its first season, and then someone else picked it up.

It's one of those shows.

The fucking audience freaked out.

They were like, no way, man, bring it back.

What am I going to watch with my bread pudding?

So he worked as a prosecuting attorney.

And the role involved doing court-martials and courts martial, I guess it's technically.

Advising on, yeah, advising on military law and conducting investigations.

So by 2008, he's a defense lawyer for Naval

Personnel in Norfolk, which

now a JAG, by the way, if you don't know, are military lawyers who provide legal services to the Navy and Marine Corps, handling a wide range of duties, such as prosecuting or defending cases in

courts-martial

military trials, advising on military law and regulations, conducting investigations, and offering counsel on operational matters like rules of engagement or international law.

Are we breaking Geneva Convention shit here or whatever?

Is that an acronym or is it just

judges?

What is it?

Judges Legal.

Yeah, Judge Advocate Generals.

That's what they are.

JAGS.

Judge Advocate General.

Is that where Jagoff comes from?

Yeah, fucking Jagoff.

I think that's from lazy people who don't like to use hard consonants.

Yeah.

Or just say the word Jagoff in public.

Yeah, well, it's so much easier to roll the G into off than it is the K, the CK.

So

his commander said, called him, quote, an exceptional officer, detail-oriented to the point of obsession, never missed anything.

Real good at it.

Which is what you want in a lawyer, I would think.

Fuck yeah.

Yeah.

He gets married in 2009.

Good for him.

To a woman named Heather.

Now, Heather has a medical condition that makes conception hard, very difficult for them.

Okay.

They want to have kids and they try to have kids.

They undergo like, they try to have kids at first and they find out she has some kind of problem they underwent a bunch of testing but she chose not to pursue fertility treatments so they ended up having no kids she didn't want to do the fertility treatment oh no

so um

he continues in the navy he completes two tours in iraq nice um yeah got decorations we'll talk about later then he's going to serve in italy for a few years really yeah because we have bases there we have big operations happening there yeah we got all we've had since world war ii I mean,

once we kicked the Germans out, we were like, we're never leaving.

Are you kidding me?

Also, get us that DeCeco.

It's awesome.

And the Italians are happy because they were thrilled that we kicked the Germans out.

So

anyway,

he serves for several years there as a prosecutor

before then providing legal counsel to senior officers at the Pentagon.

So

he's doing some high-level shit here.

Yeah, no kidding.

Some very interesting shit.

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Then he was prosecuting people in Sicily after that.

And he goes back to Sicily and is prosecuting people.

He said, quote, mainly sexual assaults.

You know those.

You know those Italians.

There's a lot of them.

Always groping it.

You know what I mean?

Why is he the prosecutor?

I don't know.

Is he an Italian citizen?

Can he do that?

You go ahead and prosecute these pervert Italians.

No,

I think it's the off the naval people that are doing this.

It's not.

Yeah, and I'm told there's a lot of those.

Yeah.

He said that's the most common crime at court-martial level is sexual assault.

Yeah.

Well, thank you.

We got to fix that.

It's a but,

yeah, absolutely.

It's a God damn.

It's like camp for 18-year-olds when it comes to that.

Like,

so many people.

And older sometimes, too.

So he earns decorations here.

He does his two tours in Iraq.

He is a lieutenant commander.

He rises to.

I think so.

It sounds good.

Sounds impressive.

If I told you I was a lieutenant commander, you'd go, wow, holy shit, I'd do that.

You're a commander of anything.

I'm impressed.

That's not bad.

Even Cobra Commander.

That's pretty impressive.

It's not bad.

Yeah, whatever.

He earns a Meritorious Service Medal, a Joint Service Commendation Medal, a Navy Marine Corps Commendation Medal.

He got two of those.

And a Navy Marine Corps Achievement Medal.

He got two of those.

Him and Heather, here, as he gets back into civilian life around 2015-ish here,

they have a nice house that they bought together.

I'll show it to you right here.

Let's have a look.

See?

That is a nice house that they bought together.

Pretty brick house right there.

It's very nice.

Four-level.

That's classy.

Not bad.

It's a four-bedroom, three-bath, 2,023-square-foot house on 0.51 acres.

So roomy, leafy, looks very nice.

Trees around you.

It's at 3805 Adrian Drive in Alexandria, Virginia.

Very nice.

So that's where he's going to be.

In 2015, he's at the Pentagon.

So he lives in Alexandria

in Virginia.

He's at the International and Operational Law Division.

You know, our old job.

He's love how he did all this.

This is impressive.

Where'd he come from?

Fucking New Hampshire?

Well, yeah, Chambersburg, Pennsylvania,

first, then Small Town in New Hampshire.

So, yeah, he's making good.

He was managing agreements made with navies worldwide.

So, like, international agreements of where

your water ends and where ours begins, and fishing rights, and all that shit.

It's all mixed.

I don't fuck with those people.

They won't fuck with you.

That kind of thing.

All of that stuff is mixed in.

He's also working on cybersecurity.

He's doing great.

Really doing great.

He

ends up getting out of the military after, I believe, almost

10 years about.

He's an officer, yeah.

Yeah, he works briefly as a civilian for the Navy.

Okay.

And then he says that he got a job with a company called APIS Limited, APIS,

which is a software company that's very mysterious.

Oh, nebulous.

We don't know what they do.

But a guy like him, when he tells people that, they're just like, oh, well, yeah, you're like a national security guy, so I'm sure it's some top-level shit that we can't know about, some secret shit.

You know what I mean?

Probably also another fucking acronym.

And another acronym, yeah.

Well, no, actually, Apis.

We'll find out what it means later when he tells us later.

It's funny.

Okay.

So he gets divorced here from Heather.

I guess, according to him, it was due to the fact that they didn't have any children and

her fertility issues.

And he claimed she didn't want to really work on it.

So he said he wants to have a family.

Oh, he wants the kids.

That's why.

Yeah, he's saying he wants the kids, and he's saying she's unwilling to do anything.

He also said she's been having an affair for a long time.

Now, later on, she will testify under oath that she never had an affair.

So

we don't know how true it is either way.

So this is just maybe some

sour grapes.

Yeah, sour grapes.

Pissy tangerines, whatever you want to call them.

I don't know.

There's paranoia in general.

Just

thinking that she's doing something that she's not, maybe.

Yeah, maybe he's a suspicious guy.

He's a prosecutor.

You know what I mean?

Maybe he's his job.

Yeah.

Awfully suspicious.

So they have a divorce settlement.

Now, during

these court hearings and divorce hearings, he says that he has millions of dollars.

We'll find out exactly how many.

And

they agree to a divorce settlement that that requires him to pay Heather $1.5 million.

At the

lump sum?

I don't know if it's lump sum,

but it's $1.5 million he owes her.

Now he gets to keep the house that we talked about there.

Well, that's not a $1.5 million house.

No, right now it's worth about $750,000.

It's about half of that.

Okay.

So, I mean, if you think, if you factor, back then it wasn't that much.

It wasn't worth that much, but still.

They got divorced?

2016.

So it wasn't worth that much.

But still, you know, you figure

if it was half a million then.

Yeah.

That's so, you know, it's really a million he's given her.

And

the house.

So, yeah, that's kind of how it works.

He kind of bought the house and for way overpriced.

Yeah, a little bit.

Now, the problem is

he doesn't really have $1.5 million, even though he said he has tens of millions of dollars.

Why would he do that?

This is interesting.

So the Navy starts asking questions about his finances because basically if you're in the military, you're like under their thumb.

And

if you do anything nefarious, they look into you.

So like even if

you're not paying off your wife or something, the Navy will like investigate you.

Yeah, you represent us.

And if you look like a piece of shit, then we all look like pieces of shit.

Yeah, so they start asking some questions.

Now, I don't know if this is true or not, but he claims that the day after the divorce is final, Heather got remarried.

Oh, then

he he had to pay her a lump sum.

He says that she was re-the agreement, has nothing to do with her remarrying.

He owes her $1.5 million.

She could have seven husbands.

She could be Liz Taylor.

It doesn't matter.

It has nothing to do with

alimony.

Okay.

That's not alimony.

It's a separate thing.

It's a settlement.

So it's a different thing.

It's like a division of assets type of deal.

So

he claims that she married her affair participant.

So we don't know, though.

Now, three weeks after the divorce, Nick meets another lady.

Yeah.

He meets Mindy with an eye.

Yeah.

Mindy Ruth Mbain,

M-E-B-A-N-E.

She's born, same time as him, about 82.

They're same age.

Now, they meet on OK Cupid.

Oh, boy.

Which, by the way, sounds like you're trying to get Cupid to shut up.

Okay, okay, Cupid.

Okay, Cupid.

You know, it's like a very...

Or just like, fine.

Yeah.

It literally is, come over here and settle.

Yeah.

Okay, Cupid.

I'll just go out with that one.

Fine.

I'll lower my standards and they'll lower theirs.

Fine.

Fine.

We're all going to go down a couple of notches, but maybe not.

Maybe you find great people on there.

I've never been on there.

No idea.

It just sounds, yeah, just the name of it, nothing else.

So now, Mindy, she's from a very close-knit family.

She's the eldest of three siblings.

Her parents are Frank III

and Betsy.

Those are her mom and dad.

And her brothers are Frank IV.

Of course there is.

Of course there is.

You don't have a third and then stop there.

No, if you have a third, it's going.

We've been working on this since 1901.

Unless you say it stops now.

No more.

No more of this Frank shit.

So

now they are from North Carolina originally, but they travel around.

The parents have some ties to New Orleans.

It's one of those things.

Now, Frank was a minister in North Carolina.

Nice.

So he is known for close family,

discipline, and, quote, faith-based perspective.

Oh, boy.

So she comes from a very religious, you know.

Strict upbringing.

Dad's a minister.

I mean, you know, there you go.

Just like in the Navy, you can't be fucking off.

It reflects badly.

It's the same thing if you're a minister.

Yeah.

Unless it's dusk till dawn and Harvey Keitel's just throwing the F-word around on the bill.

Yeah, yeah.

That was crazy, by the way.

That was not the craziest part of the movie.

No.

I don't know.

To me, it was pretty wild.

It's Harvey Keitel.

He can't help it.

It's just wild that he's like a minister, but he's just like saying fuck every seven seconds.

I feel like if Harvey Keitel had a child, it would come out and he'd be like, holy shit.

What the fuck is this?

Look at his fucking baby.

Look at him.

There's a baby.

It's right here.

He's fucking beautiful.

It's just so crazy.

And his kids, too.

They're just like the least relative.

I don't know.

Both of them are saying just crazy shit.

Are you guys really raised by a minister?

This is wild.

No, is the answer.

Maybe.

So Mindy, again, she is big into education as well.

She went for college with a focus on public service.

She got a bachelor's of arts from Armstrong State University,

which I guess is now folded into Georgia Southern University.

They've combined universities.

Then she got a Master of Arts in Public and International Affairs from Virginia Tech.

Well, this is a great couple.

Yeah, I mean, Jesus, if you're those kids, if you're their kids, you're doing your goddamn homework, period.

And she's our age and went to VA Tech.

Yeah.

Yikes.

She went there during a really wild time, right?

Well, yeah, I don't know.

She was rooting for Michael Vick, Vick, I think.

No, no.

Has she been there then?

Yeah, he did go there.

Yeah, he did go there.

I don't know.

He was around then.

I'm just thinking of like the time.

That's when the shooting happened, right?

Oh, yeah.

I'm not sure.

Right around then.

During our college time years, was it?

I don't know, but

who knows?

Completely irrelevant.

Yeah, I don't know that.

Shootings.

I don't remember when.

I think that was like 2009 or something.

Oh, was it that late?

I thought it was later, but she may have missed it.

That's good.

Now, her former professor,

they missed her.

I know that because she's fine in 2006.

She's all right.

She's doing fine.

Yeah.

Her former professor called her, said she was, quote, one of those special students you wish you could have a whole classroom full of.

Always such a happy person.

Love that.

That's great.

So her career begins as a legal secretary in the corporate sector.

And a legal secretary is not the same as her.

secretary secretary.

No, they have to they put together.

Oh, they got to know case law and shit.

Yeah, they put together the actual forms and the actual stuff.

So they lawyer just goes to a lot of people.

They do a lot.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Put together.

I'll give you a lot about it.

Yeah, I'll give you the points, and you got to actually put it in the language and do all that shit.

And then she transitions into the non-profit sector,

where she wanted to do, she wanted to be in like social work anyway and do good for things.

She was one of those people.

She wants to do good and help people, basically.

So she transfers over to a non-profit

area of business here.

Now they had their first date at the Black Wall Hitch Restaurant in Alexandria, Virginia.

The Black Wall Hitch.

That doesn't make sense.

Romantic.

Three words that mean something.

Yeah.

Black wall is one word.

Black wall hitch.

Oh.

I don't know, man.

It doesn't sound like it's got delicious food, but maybe it does.

It's iceberg slim.

What was the place in pulp fiction?

It's like that.

It just doesn't.

These words don't make any sense together.

Maybe we'll find that for your stupid opinion see if it's still open oh black wallet hitch maybe we'll see if it's still open all right so in the summer of 2016 this is when starts to get weird for nick here okay his name appears in a washington post article that gets widely circulated and and clipped and shown and talked about here.

Here's a man that agreed to pay crazy amounts of money to a woman and doesn't even have a dime.

Well, yeah, well, he said he had so much.

So

then she said a million and a half.

So he had to say like, no problem.

Of course.

Yeah, that's easy.

What the fuck?

I get the house, though, you know.

So the Washington Post article is about a Marine court-martial involving classified information.

Nick had written a legal memo quoted in the piece.

Oh.

So his name's out there.

He later on called it the perfect storm for press attention.

Couple months before the 2016 election, emails, classifications, all the hot topics.

Oh, shit.

Anything with those keywords in it,

is going to be a big fucking story.

It's going to hit a lot of search parameters here.

So, the Washington Post article, I'll read from it.

It says, quote, the documents filed Tuesday in a lawsuit by Bresler against the Navy Department and Marine Corps also showed that Marine and Navy officials in Afghanistan were aware in 2012 of allegations of abuse against children by the Afghan police chief, but but that the chief was allowed to keep his position in Helmand province anyway.

This became a major issue after a teenage boy who worked for the chief and allegedly was abused by him opened fire on a U.S.

base on August 10, 2012.

I remember this.

In retribution of this?

Oh, my God.

Killing three Marines and badly wounding a fourth.

The five-page legal review written last October by Lieutenant Commander Nicholas Cassotis

for Vice Admiral James W.

Crawford III.

That is quite the

handle.

Vice Admiral James W.

Crawford III.

You have all of the titles there.

That's a man.

The shit on his desk.

His nameplate is so long.

Buying Aaron

for that man is a nightmare.

Oh, it's a nightmare.

It's so much.

What's his title?

Vice Admiral.

Suffix.

I see Mrs.

I don't see Vice Admiral.

The Judge Advocate General of the Navy recommended that the Marine Corps actions against Bresler be upheld, calling for a new administrative review known as a Board of Inquiry would delay actions in the case another six to nine months and possibly increase attention on the case, especially in the aftermath of significant media attention to the allegations regarding the practice of keeping personal sex slaves in Afghanistan.

A what?

Kesotis wrote.

Yeah, that's part of their,

yeah, that's a big thing they have.

That's a thing?

Yes, that's that's a big thing.

We don't have to get into it.

No, I won't get into it, but

that's a big thing.

It's boys, too.

It's young boys.

I got to read more, I think.

Yeah, it's this is terrible.

It's a big thing.

Maybe I don't.

I'm going to tell you.

You know what?

Keep yourself blissfully ignorant.

Live your life like an internet salad episode, where it's just.

Oh, that's political.

Fuck that article.

Yeah, fuck that.

And you go, oh, what did Katy Perry do?

Yeah, that's dumb.

Sure.

Whatever.

What's the lawsuit status with Valdoni?

Yeah, there you go.

That matters only to three people.

And that's good.

Yeah.

You know, like something that's not.

And they all have things.

Yeah.

No matter what happened, it's not affecting the rest of the world.

They all have way too much money for that to be affecting them anyway.

That's exactly stupid to keep that shit going.

Yeah, who knows?

I don't know anything about that.

I haven't read about it.

So I don't really.

No opinion there.

So October 9th, 2016.

He is married again.

Nick does here.

Okay.

He is going to marry Mindy.

I married Mindy at Morvin Park in Leesburg, Virginia.

That's what he did there.

So they initially live with her family, including at her brother Frank's home and later at a bungalow in Savannah, Georgia that they share with the parents.

So

multiple locations they end up living with the family, her family, because they're real close, basically.

Sharing a bungalow does not feel like you have your own space.

Bungalow implies single-couple space.

They'll be like a series of Airbnbs.

Yeah, bungalow is a cute word for a small house

of a certain shape, but it's small.

Bungalow is short for apartment that may or may not be attached to others.

Yeah, you don't hear a lot about 4,000 square foot bungalows usually.

Bungalow implies, I'm trying to act like I've made it.

Yeah, yeah.

So Nick says he has, at this point, he tells his wife and everybody else and has financial documents to back it up that he has $32 million.

Oh, my God.

Why does he do this?

Well, he has financial docs.

He's got, he said, I have $32 million.

Now he still hasn't paid Heather a fucking dime of her million and a half.

Okay.

She would like her money, by the way.

So he's got 30 and a half.

That's exactly.

So now Nick is a continuum.

Since that article came out, there's been some weird stuff happening that we'll get into.

But I guess Nick has all sorts of stories of I'm under threat, I'm under attack, and this makes Mindy very scared of everything.

She gets to the point where she rarely will leave the house.

She holes up in the house all the time, doesn't work, just stays inside, and will only communicate via an encrypted app like Signal.

That's the one she uses most.

Oh, boy.

Yeah.

She's living like an Afghani warlord, basically, like on the run from a drone attack or some shit.

That's how she's living.

Mindy's mother, Betsy, said later, at first everything seemed wonderful.

Nick was charming, attentive.

He treated Mindy like a princess.

Then things started happening.

Then things started happening.

Things started happening.

So let's talk about those things.

By the way, Betsy, like I said, is Mindy's mom, deeply involved in Mindy's life too.

Really, really absolutely.

Betsy is going to live with them at certain times.

Betsy and Frank III will live there at certain times.

And she says she witnessed that they were scared and they end up being very nomadic.

She heard Nicholas's stories of the threats and

saw that they only communicated via encrypted apps and that Mindy rarely left the house.

So

the things that are happening here.

By the way, this is at 38.

The house that he shared with Heather is his house.

So this is where they are.

So this is where they stay to, that brick house.

Yeah.

Now, one of the things is bank accounts mysteriously being drained, he said.

You'd have money in an account, you'd look at it, the money's gone.

Yeah.

So it's interesting.

He said,

Mindy was very actively watching.

This is a quote from Nick.

Mindy was very actively watching all of our spending because she wanted to make sure we were in the best position financially.

He said, we were discussing my departure from active duty.

We were discussing, you know, starting a family, several things.

We got $30 million.

We're fine.

$30 million.

Their next stage in life is what they're looking at.

Yeah.

Essentially.

What are we going to, you know, family?

Where are we going to live?

Where are we going to move?

You shouldn't even have to budget and your kids will never work.

No, probably not.

But still, he wants to make sure they're in a good financial position.

You could lose everything quick.

It happens.

Sure.

She started noticing odd deductions from our accounts that had no, that had to, they weren't tied to anything we were doing, he says.

He said, sometimes they,

you know, the ones she showed me, they didn't even have transaction numbers.

There'd just be money gone, which I don't know how a bank just.

I didn't know they would do that.

The computer disappeared.

He's basically saying.

He said

it would say something like payment and, you know, hundreds of dollars would go missing.

At the time, we thought it was just an error with our bank.

We were banking with USAA, which is the Veterans Bank.

Right.

Yeah.

At the time, and thought that, you know, we thought it was just some sort of bank error that would be easily resolved.

Well, when you have $30 million in the bank, sometimes the bank just charges you $200 to keep it.

They'll fuck it up.

You call them on it.

That's why you don't want to get rich.

They'll take care of it, though.

More money, more problems, I think, is the thing here.

That's what they said.

That's right.

They said, did you take that up with your bank?

He was asked, USAA.

And he said, Mindy did.

He said, I was at this time both working full-time in the Pentagon looking for jobs, and I was still taking that LLM at night.

That's the Georgetown deal.

Yeah, yeah.

So he says, so I was kind of burning the candle at both ends.

But I, she was taking care of

our money,

and Mindy was not working at this time, so she was in charge of that.

Now, there's also some familial arguments, which is going to happen when you have a bunch of adults.

Well, when you have a bunch of adults that aren't having sex living in a house together, they're going to fight.

Yes.

In a bungalow.

You can't live with people.

You're not fucking.

You just can't.

No.

No, no.

You can't.

Unless you're blood related to them and he's not.

So there's fighting.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So they're having, he said, we'd been having some kind of, I'll say, familial arguments.

That's what he, the way he puts it.

All right.

He said, you know, Mindy, it started with Mindy and my brother Chris, you know, kind of evolved over time to include all of our parents.

It was, you know, at that time, I believed it to be kind of normal, marital, you know, a new wife, somebody that they didn't know very well, and that, you know, these were kind of growing pains that we were kind of going through.

So, you know, it's a new couple and they got married within a year of knowing each other.

So

we don't know each other that well.

And then you met on an app.

You met on an app.

So there's going to be some bumps to work out and you got to smooth them yeah you never know so yeah there's always a degree of and even the app things we've talked about it sometimes works out great for people sure there is some level of um

fantasy involved in it though yeah and uh withholding of information that's what i mean well to maintain the fantasy you build uh an aura around a person and then there's a lot of times you're disappointed when you meet but you don't want to admit that because then you wasted all this time so you're going to give it a chance.

And the next thing you know, you're married and arguing with someone's brother.

You know what I mean?

That's what happened.

Two children and a lot of money out the window.

Yeah.

He said that, you know, we had some arguments, but more often it was between Mindy and my brother, Chris.

He said,

Sometime in late 2017, we'd seen a kind of brief reprieve where we thought things had, you know, that our bank had fixed the issues, that things were no longer going wrong.

And suddenly it kind of restarted with, you know, a lot more than it had before.

And we also started seeing vandalism at our house.

Oh, so we've got money just disappearing every now and again, and our house is getting vandalized.

And yeah, Andy said I would sometimes get anonymous emails stating, you know, that I was going to be hurt or killed.

So he's getting threats, threats, random drains from the bank account,

vandalism at the house.

And all of this, he thinks is based on that article that he wrote.

Someone's mad at him for that.

Got it.

Okay.

So

the article he was quoted in of the report he wrote.

Right.

So he said also our mail would go missing, things of that nature.

Nails in our tires, broken windows, things of that nature.

I mean, you know,

we wouldn't even move our cars some days and we'd have a new tire and a new hole in the tire.

Oh.

So he's saying there's just constantly new, so it's not like they're rolling over nails.

The car's in one place and there's a nail in the tire.

They put a new tire on the car and it has a nail in it on the car.

Someone's hammering nails into it.

Yeah.

He said also the anonymous death threats and all that.

He said, I reported all of this to the Bureau, Federal Bureau of Investigation.

So he goes to the FBI with this shit.

He said on their website somewhere, they had a, you know, report a crime thing.

Yeah.

So he said, that's where he went.

I filed a complaint there, and I believe Mindy also filed a complaint there.

This is when he was living at the house.

Yeah.

The house that he had with Heather at first.

He said the mail,

my understanding, was a federal crime as well as my banking issues.

So

they both seem bad.

Yeah.

He said, that's why I didn't go to the local police, because they said, did you go to local police?

And he said, no, because these are federal issues.

And I work in the federal government, so I just assumed you go to the FBI with mail issues because that's not a local police issue.

It's a federal thing.

Yeah, but you start with the guy that's right there, right?

Well, he said

no, because he said, if I contacted the local police, it would have just been a waste of time in a police report, and they would have said you have to contact federal authorities, or they would have just contacted federal authorities.

So he said, I'm going right to them.

Okay.

I guess.

I don't know if that's what I would do, but I'd probably start with getting a cop doing a report.

Yeah.

See if he wants to run it up the flagpole.

Let him send it up there.

That's what I mean.

He's probably got better email than you do.

Yeah.

You're just going to the report a crime fucking thing on their website.

That's not a, that doesn't seem like it's all.

I think it would go in the corner.

There's still somebody, there's still an officer that interprets that to decipher whether or not there's a crime.

Yeah, what about nails in the tires and broken windows and shit?

That's as local police as you get.

Yeah.

That's perfect for local police.

The feds aren't coming to save you if something happens.

You don't call them.

Well, what is that number?

A little different in that.

3-2 or what is that?

What do you call there?

Come to my house and

get my fucking stolen mail.

Yeah.

Number a 1-800 number for that?

What is that?

Oh, man.

He said that

since they all seemed, I imagined that they were connected, meaning the vandalism, the money, the emails, everything.

He said, I did not think local law enforcement would accomplish anything but a police report.

I contacted or I tried to contact a former colleague who worked with the Department of Justice.

So that's where he's trying to work.

He's trying to use his connections here.

Okay.

He said, I hoped that it would get us out of the, you know, the bin of everybody's complaints and get a bit more attention

into just the general complaints hopper.

He said, I wasn't sure if I had managed to contact him just because of his job.

He keeps a very low profile.

How do you not know if you're able to?

I guess if you send it to an old email address or something, you don't know if he's still attached to it.

He said, but several days later, I got a call at work, and this is when I was working as a civilian at the Board for Correction of Naval Records, and Mindy said that an FBI agent had come to the house.

Oh.

So, yeah, that's what I mean.

They're coming right over, running right to the house.

Now, this FBI agent is Agent Jim McIntyre.

Yeah.

Okay.

Now,

he contacts them with warnings.

He's saying, look, I looked into this.

Yeah.

Whatever.

So

he shows up.

He says they're in danger from overseas hackers hackers targeting military members.

Overseas hackers?

Overseas hackers?

They get, dude, think about it.

The operation's huge, okay?

You can have a computer in Turkmenistan.

It doesn't matter, and you can hack into stuff.

But then they got to send a guy over here with a hammer and actually go to Ace Hardware and fucking bang it in there.

So that's a network.

You don't want to mess with them.

They got it all.

So he said, Nick reports it

to their FBI.

He had reported it to the FBI, and this is just a few days later.

Here's this guy.

So Nick said, Mindy said an FBI agent had come to the house.

His name was Jim McIntyre.

He was very thorough, very professional.

He wanted copies of everything, the emails, the bank records.

Mindy said he took it very seriously.

Yeah.

So, and they said that, you know,

what's going on here?

Overseas hackers?

Did they like, ooh, that's what they're doing.

These terrorists are getting local, like, 14-year-olds in their cells.

They're like, want to make some money for some vandalism?

That's what they're doing.

Head over there and steal that guy's water bill.

Do it.

Come on.

We totally, totally need it.

It's huge.

I really want to get his money mailer that he's got there.

Those coupons.

If you get a bunch of them, you can stack them and then you can save some big money.

I need the flyers about oil changes.

I have to have it.

I need another Sephora catalog, please.

From a car dealership he bought a car at eight years ago.

Oh, man.

So she said that he was there in regards to what was happening and that he'd be returning in the near future.

He was just gathering info here.

So Jim comes back.

Okay.

Pretty soon after.

He's got the info.

Absolutely.

And Nick said, quote, he came to the house.

I believe

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He seemed very thorough and very professional.

He wanted to know everything that happened.

He wanted specific issues with the banks.

I believe we printed out and had screenshots of the charges that showed what had been going on, and we provided all of that to him.

And he said that it was something he took very very seriously and that he would be investigating it.

He said, I didn't verify who he was because he was just an FBI guy who was helping us.

It's Jimmy Mack.

And he said, Mindy said that she had seen his badge when he first came to the door.

She told me at the time she'd seen a badge, so I never had any reason to doubt he was who he said he was.

You know, he's Jim McIntyre, FBI agent.

It didn't cross my mind that someone could have shown up at my house at that time that wasn't with the FBI.

How would they know to come here?

How would they know to contact me?

Yeah.

I contacted the FBI.

He said that, you know, I thought that we were very lucky at that time that someone was looking into this.

He said, I had, as this was going on, I read multiple news reports of people who'd undergone cyber stalking and cyber crimes.

And often it seemed like their big battle was getting someone to believe what was going on, take getting law enforcement to take it seriously and getting law enforcement who had the jurisdiction over the crimes to take it seriously.

Look, we're an hour into this.

I don't know what the fuck's going on.

No.

What the fuck is going on?

It'll come together.

All right.

He said, so I thought we were really lucky.

Over the coming weeks or months, he advised us that he believed that this Washington Post article had gotten me some attention and that

I was that from overseas, you know, a hacking group of some sort that was targeting military members.

He said that we should relax somewhat because he believed that the local vandalism and things of that nature were likely something they were paying kids to do or something of that nature.

So

he said he told us we were not in any real danger at that moment.

So sophisticated they can take money from your account without transaction numbers or anything.

They know how to, but so unsophisticated that they've got 12-year-olds flattening your tires.

Yeah, they just hired Caden from down the street.

He comes over and hammers one of his dad's fucking masonry nails in your tire.

That's excellent.

This is a, wow, what a story already.

So he said that it was meant to be harassing us and that, you know, he was continuing to investigate.

Meaning, this is just to show him he's done wrong and so he doesn't do anymore.

It's not that they're not going to hurt him at this point, anything.

So at that point, Nick says Jim got him a job.

Oh.

Yeah.

Jim hooked him up.

He said that

at that point, I was being employed by a software company that he had connected me to, that Jim McIntyre connected me to.

He said that it had several name changes over the years, but that I worked there.

He said the ending name was Apis, A-P-I-S, APIS Limited,

which I believe is the Latin word for bee or something like that, like a bumblebee or a honeybee.

Okay.

He said that I believe that he's helping us because of our or helping me because of our situation.

And we were both in the federal government and all that.

He's probably an ex-military.

he certainly exists.

Yeah.

He said that

I was an attorney, kind of general counsel role, though it carried a lot of other stuff with it at the Zapis company.

He said sometimes I would be called on to help look through data and records that were being generated by the software.

He said the nature of their business was AI software development.

which obviously very big in the last 10 years.

He said, basically, using artificial intelligence software to analyze data and find connections between it.

So

he said, and as I had talked to Jim, I was hoping to find something that would allow me to work from home because despite his reassurances that we did not think, that he didn't think we were in real danger, I felt very uncomfortable leaving Mindy home alone.

What if something happens?

What if they come for?

What if a bunch of guys in

masks and shit repel from the ceiling?

What are we supposed to do then?

I mean,

that's a far cry from smashing tires.

Stealing water bills.

Hey, nails and tires

goes right into completely

Navy SEAL operations.

The killing of bin Laden, it turns into, in no time.

How do you think they train SEAL Team 6?

They give them nails and hammers and things like that, and they go, now go get these people.

We'll see how you do there.

Don't get caught stealing

the fucking penny saver.

If you do this, then we'll send you to hunt for international terrorists and break into their compounds.

But you can come back with local pizza restaurant BOGOs.

We'll get you.

We'll get it.

If you can come back with at least five Chinese food menus,

we're in.

Different restaurants, though, not from the same one.

I know.

And a window replacement deal.

That's

windshield replacement.

Absolutely.

So he said we had suffered also a very serious car accident around that time.

And he said she had a lot of health issues following that.

And, you know, leaving my frail wife at home by herself when we were undergoing this

was something that really bothered me.

So Jim's solution was,

I think you might be right.

I think there's more danger here than we initially suspected.

You guys need to go underground.

Okay.

You need to disappear.

And from now on, they're just going to be like moving from like safe house to safe house, basically.

Wow.

And as we'll find out, sometimes it comes on an hour's notice.

Okay.

Jim will call him and say, pack your shit.

You got to be gone in an hour.

I'm going to be there in an hour.

Someone's going to be there.

They're on their way.

My people are going to be there to get you.

And we're going to go to the next one.

We've picked up

a signal chat stating they're on their way to your home now.

From an Afghani warlord in a cave.

He sent out a signal.

There's a guy landing in 12 minutes from

the United States.

He's just sitting on it.

He's sitting in there and coached with just a hammer and some nails on his lap, getting ready to

off the plane.

Oh, God.

So he said, in May, we were asked to leave our house.

Now, Jim said that there were arrests being made and that there was nobody.

It was a holiday weekend, so nobody could help him because they were doing operations and stuff.

He said, I believe it was Memorial Day weekend and that we would, that he was worried that we would not be safe if we stayed there, that somebody might do something rash.

So we were terrified.

He said, we kind of grabbed our dog and we went down to Williamsburg, Virginia.

Wow.

There we go.

So he said, there's a naval base right outside Williamsburg, naval weapons station, Yorktown, that has little vacation cabins on it.

And we kind of huddled down there for the weekend and came back thinking everything was over.

He said it was not over though.

Things continued.

He said if anything it picked up pace.

Oh.

Oh yeah.

He said the money going, disappearing, the issues with bank accounts, the issues with emails, mail, vandalism of our house, everything.

So we were in contact with Mr.

McIntyre and he started looking for other suspects because he said we made arrests already about this and now it's happening more.

Holy shit, did we we arrest the wrong people?

He said at the time it was clear that somebody else was doing this and he was going to cast a wider net to do this.

In the meantime, Jim McIntyre, Agent McIntyre, needs to control, he needs to have control of their stuff so he can move stuff around to keep them safe, essentially.

You don't know how to keep your movements from being tracked, and I do.

I know it.

I know it.

So

absolutely.

He said that there was a

he said there was a large large sale or licensing agreement that was completed at some point by his company, by APIS.

Now he says he was not getting paid by this company, not getting paid in actual money.

He was getting paid in stock options.

Oh.

Like

dot-com era shit.

You know what I mean?

Like all these startups would do.

They pay you in stock options.

And if the company takes off, you're going to be $100 million.

And if it dies, you just worked 24 hours a day for two years for nothing, for absolutely nothing.

And moving services, because they're moving them constantly.

That's the other thing, too.

So he said, I was only paid in stock options.

He said, and I was told that this large sum of money was being given to me.

He said, I believe this is late 2018.

He said, it honestly, it felt like I hit the lottery.

He said, it was something that I had never, ever expected.

Millions of dollars.

He said, but we had real issues with getting a large chunk of money because we couldn't put a couple hundred dollars into our account without it going missing within a matter of minutes, if not hours.

So, where are we going to put all this money?

He said, So during that time, Jim said, Jim set up a trust for us.

Great.

He said he showed us extensive documentation where it would be invested and, you know, care would be taken of it.

So, Jim, in addition to being an FBI agent and a super sleuth, he's also a financial advisor.

What a banker.

That's just pretty impressive.

Those are very disparate skill sets, and he's got them in spades.

This is pretty good.

I'm very impressed.

So I am impressed.

He said, you know, it would be taken care of.

It wouldn't be anything that we could touch or until it was safe to do so.

So I'll hold this for you till this is all resolved.

He said, and also it was,

thankfully, it's something that nobody else could touch because of that same reason.

So it would just be sitting there.

Now, this is when they start moving and moving and moving and moving.

Oh, boy.

Over a four to six year period, they're going to move somewhere between 50 and 100 times.

What?

Yeah.

Yeah.

This is not.

Where are they going?

You know, every three months we have to move.

This is sometimes they're at a place for three days and they have to move.

Sometimes they're there for two months and they have to move.

You never know.

And it's all over Virginia, South Carolina, Georgia.

Wherever Jim tells them to go, basically, they go.

They're living in Airbnbs.

Jim McIntyre controls where they live,

their money.

He manages the trust with this $32 million in it.

That's where that comes from.

Their communications also, they're only to be only to communicate through signal, through an encrypted app.

No text messaging, no more of this bullshit.

And

Jim says that he's monitoring their safety and making sure they're safe through a security team that you guys will never see because they stay back, but there's people watching.

They're around, don't worry.

They're around, yeah.

So the moves follow a pattern.

Jim calls, says they're compromised, gives them an hour to pack, provides a new address.

They load all their shit.

You know those big plastic bins that you have when you move?

All their shit goes in those big plastic bins.

They have all the bins ready to go.

They know how to pack up and go quick, and that's it.

They load them into their car and they go.

He said Jim would call him and say, you have to be out of the house in an hour.

This is where you're going.

This is the code to get in.

Pack your things.

That's it.

So he says, too, that he believed that Jim was paying for all this because of the investigation.

He's like, where the fuck is all this money coming from?

It's like witness protection type of deal.

There's a big fund for that.

You know what I mean?

There is, too.

Yeah, right, right.

It happens all the time.

It doesn't usually go to people that are being harassed via stolen mail and nails in their tire, right?

But if it's from international sources to a military guy who's being targeted because of

what he did while on duty.

Sure, then you get that money.

I guess you'd have to protect them.

Around the country.

Yeah.

But they said sometimes they're there six weeks.

Sometimes they're there for two days.

You never know.

Wow.

Nick's Navy friend, Cameron Nelson.

Okay.

The problem is

it's not Jim paying for this.

No.

It's a guy named Cameron Nelson who is Nick's Navy friend.

Okay.

She's a woman, Cameron.

Now,

she initially,

when they had a spot where they had no money, their bank accounts were drained, she gave him her credit card information to be able to get an Airbnb or something that was, she thought it was somewhere between

$500,000 and $2,000 she was lending him.

Over the course of a few years here,

he runs up $200,000 on her card.

Whoa.

Which to be able to, imagine being able to have $200,000 in debt run up and you not even notice it.

For how long?

Over a few couple years.

Wow.

That's insane.

Now, apparently, Nick says that Jim was using this credit card.

Because they had access to all he had access to all their financial shit.

That's how he had access to the credit card.

Yeah.

And yeah.

So Cameron, the friend, said, I thought I was helping with one or two rentals during an emergency.

I had no idea my card was being charged for everything for years.

$200,000.

Credit card.

So imagine that.

Oh, my God.

Unsecured debt.

Put the interest rate on that too.

Yeah.

At 25%.

So

he said, I gave Jim McIntyre access to literally everything.

He said, and I believe because of the investigation, I had to, that's necessary.

My financials, my bank accounts, my social media, absolutely everything.

And so did Mindy.

We put our life in his hands.

He had access to our home.

He had a spare key to our home, as well as the alarm code while we lived there.

He had our bank accounts, our USAA, and a couple others that we had tried to pick up to do that.

He had at this point our mail.

We had initially moved our mail to a post office because of the constant issues we've been getting.

getting with our mail but now he got it you know it would just sometimes for days we would not get any mail and then we we would get these things that slip through that said, well, you haven't paid bills and we haven't received this.

You'd get late notices and go, I never got the bill.

Shortly before we left, we moved our mail to a service down in Florida that would scan it and hold on for you and let you, let, hold on to it for you and let you know what it was.

Yeah.

It's called the most,

what,

the paranoid mail recipient, that's called.

You got to get a filter in another state.

Yeah, send it to the people in Florida.

They'll look through it and then send it to me like I'm in prison.

That's crazy.

You had a collection notice from Sam Goody.

Yeah.

You still owe fucking Columbia House for all those 11 CDs for 12 cents.

Free CDs that you got.

Oh, God.

So he said, so he had access to that, all of our social media for both of us, anything from Reddit to Twitter to Instagram to Facebook.

He had our signal.

He had us mirror our signal accounts to personal

or not personal.

I thought professional computer, I had professional computers of his that could monitor those conversations as well.

So he had them signal, mirror the signal chats with him.

So he's connected.

He's always an invisible third.

They BCC him type of deal.

Basically.

So 2019 comes around.

Hey, remember Heather?

Yeah.

Who got a million and a half dollar settlement?

She wants her fucking money.

Yeah.

When do I get paid?

Well, she takes him to court in 2019 for this.

and she said he testified under oath he had $32 million.

Yeah.

Because he does.

It's from the company.

Documented.

So he said Mindy was withholding it from him.

Oh.

Quote,

this is from Heather.

The judge was furious, told him he'd be arrested if he didn't pay in a week.

I've never received a penny of that $1.5 million.

So he does not pay at all.

No.

Can't.

And he can't.

Absolutely not.

He can't do it.

So November of 2019, right after this,

the couple leaves the area.

They end up in Charlottesville, Virginia.

And

Nick claims that he's attacked at their rental house.

Oh, no.

They're renting a house.

Somebody came up and hit him with a baseball bat and kicked him in the face.

Oh.

And just

ran up to him like when he ran out of his house.

Didn't rob him, didn't mug him, just beat him, and then ran away.

And he went lasts and ran away.

That's what he said.

Yeah.

Now, luckily for Nick,

Jim has investigated this beating, and he has an explanation, and it's not an explanation Nick wants to hear here.

Uh-oh.

Apparently, Jim tells Nick that this beating, not only this beating,

but everything that's been happening.

We found him.

has not actually been

some of the stuff anyway, all the local stuff, has not actually been the terror group attacking him, the vandalism and things of that nature.

It's actually been Nick's father, Wayne, is behind all of this.

Your dad's doing it.

Your dad, not no, that's the thing.

Not only is your dad doing it, he's not your biological father.

I found out.

This is

a terrible day.

Terrible day.

Not only is your dad not your dad, but the guy you thought was your dad is also harassing you and tormenting you.

Yes.

And he said that Wayne,

Wayne wants Nick back in their family fold because Nick's kind of gone with Mindy's family.

And that's what this is all to try to get Nick to come back to them.

And Mindy has been an obstacle is what Jim is telling him.

According to Wayne, your wife's a big obstacle in this.

They're trying to scare you into coming back in.

Now,

there's no police report.

He didn't call the police when he got beat up by a bat.

He called Jim.

Why bother with the police?

I got the the FBI and speed dial here.

No hospital records.

It's all real hush-hush.

Like

when Avon got shot in the wire and they had to take him to like a veterinarian to pull the bullet out.

All real hush-hush under the radar.

And Mindy hears about all this.

And now, after hearing this, she will not leave the house at all.

She is.

Yeah, I'm terrified.

Agoraphobic now.

Will not leave the house.

Now, 2020 comes around.

Okay.

We're talking, this is peak COVID times at this point.

People are moving around.

Things are real weird.

Mindy's parents, Frank III and Betsy, need somewhere to stay at this point.

Right.

So they move in with Nick and Mindy, which seems like an odd choice because they're moving all around.

So if you're with them, they're targets.

Yeah, you got to be ready to move in an hour, too.

Yeah.

So, and they're bouncing around between Airbnbs all over South Carolina at this point.

The parents saw all these moves,

you know,

firsthand, moves with no explanation, out of nowhere, we got to go,

sees how they live out of plastic bins because they need to be ready to throw everything back in the bins and go at a moment's notice, never staying anywhere more than a few weeks.

And all of that.

Yeah.

And Betsy said they were so frightened.

Mindy would shake when she heard a car door slam.

We turned her in and went Chihuahua, for Christ's sake.

This is terrible.

Frank III, dad, said Nick showed us documents, bank statements showing $32 million, security reports.

It's all good, but

they're in this weird limbo.

Now, February 2021, after COVID, the whole group, Nick, Mindy, Frank III, and Betsy, all move into Frank IV's house in Hilton Head.

Okay.

Okay.

Yeah.

Frank IV is a police officer.

Oh,

genius.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So they're going to move in with him, not only.

Move with the guy with the badge and the gun.

There you go.

You know, people, it's a little more protected.

So they're going to stay here for 16 months, which is the longest place.

They've been moving.

They've moved 50 times in the last couple of years, and now they're going to stay here for a whole...

That's a lot of stability.

That's a lot of stability.

So he's still working for Apis Limited on top secret software projects.

He also says that he has some other work for Microsoft that he does as well.

Oh.

And gets paid from that.

He says that he's working 12 to 15 hours a day for Apis Limited, Limited, but never receives a paycheck, just gets stock options that are all managed by Jim McIntyre and put into investment portfolios and things like that.

March 2022, they're in the house with the family still in Frank IV's house.

Mindy announces that she is pregnant.

She says she's pregnant.

Bad idea, bad idea?

Who knows?

They've been trying to have a kid.

Nick says that they...

had gotten pregnant the year before, but Mindy lost the baby.

Yeah, that's a lot of stress.

It's a lot lot of stress, all the moving and everything, all the, you know, uh, bin picking up.

That'll, that'll ruin it for you.

So, can't be lifting.

No, so apparently, uh, March of 2022, she's pregnant.

Now, Nick can't remember if he saw the pregnancy test or not.

Oh, but he said, you know, I'd seen other pregnancy tests from before, I'd seen negative ones, I'd seen the one that from the year before when she lost the baby.

So, I don't remember if I saw that one or if I'm remembering other ones, basically.

Now, okay.

Mindy, apparently, this is Nick's story about how things fell apart with the family at Frank IV's house.

He says, quote, Mindy had a large argument with her brother and then a smaller argument with her parents, and she said she didn't feel like she wanted to stay in the area anymore.

Okay.

Okay.

Or

that's one version of how their residency ended.

The second one is what Frank IV said, which is, quote, they contributed nothing.

No rent, no groceries.

Nick claimed Jim McIntyre controlled all their money.

I finally had to file eviction papers.

Evicted them from his house?

From his house, because they

kept staying.

Yeah.

Wow.

So when they were getting kicked out of here, Nick says that Jim asked us how we felt about Charleston, South Carolina.

So that's where they were going.

Now, Mindy's average day, Nick says on her average day, she wouldn't leave the house at all.

She was terrified she'd be killed if she did.

Jim told her that while he felt at this point my family was going to

wanted to get me back in the fold, so to speak, he said that's why I hadn't been killed in Charlottesville when I was assaulted.

It was just a warning to come back.

But John Gotti wouldn't fucking do that if

his son wasn't talking to him.

Like, that's insane.

He said that,

yeah, he said that

they viewed Mindy as an impediment and that

they would

have her killed had they had the chance, but they don't have the chance.

Sure.

So he said, I was the one who left the house.

I was always terrified to leave the house, but Mindy was pregnant throughout this, and I don't know, it was my job.

I was the one who had to go brave the outside and risk being murdered.

Now, June of 2022 comes around.

All right.

They're living in Savannah, Georgia at this point.

Not bad.

Nick is now a writer.

Oh.

Yeah.

There you go.

Less money.

Well,

not really, as we'll find out.

After the eviction, they move into 311 East 65th Street in Savannah, which is a small Airbnb bungalow at $4,500 a month.

Whoa.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, that's.

What is that?

Airbnb prices.

It's like, you know, not a rental price.

You're not signing a year lease and paying that.

Nick had just received $300,000 in actual money from Sony for a short horror story he wrote.

They bought a story.

Yeah, he had published it to Reddit, and they found it and contacted him and fucking bought it.

Is that how desperate Hollywood is?

That is how desperate Hollywood is for a short horror story.

Okay.

Now, the story he sold was, quote, my mother-in-law is poisoning me, and then I found out why.

That was the name of it.

Okay, the plot is a mother-in-law makes her daughter-in-law sick to protect her from her murderous husband who plans to kill her for insurance money.

The mother-in-law is the hero who's poisoning this girl.

Okay.

So, yeah.

Anyway, July 27th, 2022, Nick buys a 2022 Ford Explorer with cash.

Okay.

46 grand in cash.

Yeah, it's an expensive car.

Yeah.

Now, by the way, Mindy will will not leave the house, but she's pregnant.

So,

how's she get prenatal care?

Is the question.

Great question.

Yeah.

He says that a doctor with a black bag came to the house 12 times.

Yeah.

But somehow, always when her parents weren't home.

Oh.

They always just missed the doctor, which is interesting.

He did tell the parents there's a due date in January and the baby's a girl.

We already know.

He brought the ultrasound

in his bag.

Yeah, he he had the whole machine in a black bag ready to roll.

Isn't that nice?

His AR box just popped through.

He just popped through like he's fixing your abortion.

No problem.

Like he's fixing

your Catskills back fucking room abortion

while a 25-year-old molests your daughter.

You know how it works.

But they never explain what exactly he did.

He just gave her a pill and some water and was like, you'll be on the mend in a second.

She'll be better now.

Yeah.

A guy butchered her and he's like, it just takes some Advil.

Probably antibiotics is probably what it was.

Probably had an infection yeah that's real easy probably but yeah hilarious though he just gave her some tic tacs and told her to

everything's gonna be fine

september 24th 2022 nicholas sends a message on twitter uh-huh he sends a message on twitter to samantha kolsnick

who is an author of horror novels,

including one called True Crime, which is not a true story, which is really confusing.

Now, on Twitter, he sees she's selling signed books that she has.

So he buys all four of them.

Yeah.

Buys all four, sends her a message.

We'll talk about it.

Now, Samantha's a horror author.

She is born and based in central Pennsylvania, like he was.

She's an award-winning author, filmmaker, and artist specializing in horror and dark fiction.

She wrote several novels here, and I'm going to go through them with you here.

The Human Monsters, a horror anthology, she wrote.

She wrote

Midnight from Beyond the Stars, Samantha Kolsnick, Lonesome Hearts,

Lonesome Haunts.

I'm sorry, Tales from Between the Presents,

Elegana,

The Bad Book,

Orphans of Bliss, Tales of Addiction Horror.

Okay, I guess that's hers.

It's under her thing.

True Crime,

Beleth Station.

She looked like she wrote with somebody else.

Waif

and Worst Laid Plans.

Oh, also

Crimines Reales, Homesick, and Moonflowers and Nightshade, an anthology of sapphic horror.

All right.

She also has short films.

She wrote four short films, Mama's Boy, Friends Giving, The Price of Bones, and I Baked Him a Cake.

Are those market value?

Red Bones?

Yeah.

What's the true market value of bones?

Now, his message was, just grabbed all four novels.

Can't wait to dive into your nightmare worlds.

Fellow writer here loves supporting indie horror.

Your work sounds deliciously dark.

Okay.

Now, Samantha said, most people who buy books don't message.

I said, thanks.

He kept messaging and messaging,

telling how much he liked her work as he read it.

They would bond over their enjoyment of true crime and stuff like that,

everything.

Now,

on September 30th, by the way, later on, he'll alternately tell her her name.

His name is different.

He'll try to go by Nicholas Killian James Stark later on as his name.

Okay.

Now, September 30th, 2022, Nick files a police report claiming his father, Wayne, assaulted him.

Uh-huh.

An actual police report based on Jim McIntyre's findings.

Based on the bat and the kick.

And he will later on use this to try to change his name, saying that's one of the reasons he wants to change his name, is to separate himself from a guy who's not even his real father and had him beat within an inch of his life.

He tells Samantha, Nick does, this is October 18th, 2022.

He said, in the last three years, I moved a couple times, learned pretty much everything I thought about myself was not true, and had my wife pass away.

Okay.

He's telling her that in 2020, his wife, Mindy, died of undiagnosed heart issues aggravated by pregnancy.

Really?

Yeah.

Wife's been dead for two years.

Been a widower here.

Okay.

Yep.

He said that's what happened.

He even, by the way, showed her a Photoshop driver's license to show who he was, which is Nicholas Killian James Stark or whatever the fuck.

So later on, in November 2022,

Samantha's car gets a flat tire.

Nick arranges to have it towed and pays for four new tires, new headlight bulbs, over $600 in total.

Okay.

Gets you new headlights, too.

Fuck it.

Yeah, one of the, he had a pedidal going on.

He said,

Samantha said, I was shocked.

We never never even met.

I said it was too much.

He said, most guys would send flowers.

I send tires.

Pretty stupid, right?

It became a joke between us.

Okay.

A week.

A bouquet of tires.

A week later, a huge bouquet arrives at the door.

Not of tires, of actual flowers.

Now, Thanksgiving week, 2022.

Okay, here we go.

Frank III and Betsy leave for Hilton Head.

They're going to go see Frank IV.

Mindy stays home.

She doesn't leave the house, and she's eight months pregnant and not feeling well at this point.

Okay, now,

that is Wednesday, the 23rd of November.

Saturday, the 26th of November, two days after Thanksgiving, Mindy, Nick says that Mindy texted him saying she's going to the hospital.

This is while he's working.

Yeah.

So he said, I got a message from her that she was leaving the home and that she was concerned that she was going and had to go get medical attention.

So he said, I asked her if she thought I should come back.

Right.

And she said she didn't need that and she was going to be picked up and she's all right.

I'm just going to go get it.

I'll be fine going out.

So

now he was asked, did she tell you where she was going to get medical attention?

I'm going to this hospital, whatever.

He said, we had discussed it in prior days that she was going to be taken to a birthing center

that a doctor or that a man I believed to be a doctor who had been seeing her in the home worked at or was affiliated with in some way.

So whatever whatever birthing center old black bag is attached to.

He said that Mr.

McIntyre was comfortable with that because we were obviously, we were very scared again about the medical issues, you know, with insurance, with payments, with our location being found.

So he said he returned home that weekend because he was working.

He was gone.

He said, and Mindy was gone.

He said, but I continued to receive signal messages from her over the next several days.

You wouldn't go see your eight-month pregnant wife who's in the hospital.

And she's at a birthing center?

She's eight months pregnant?

Like, for how long is she going to have to be there?

That's what I mean.

I don't think a birthing center, you don't stay there for days.

Yeah, they don't they don't stay there.

If you have anything.

Yeah, basically, unless the kid just slides out and everything's fine, you're going to the fucking hospital where they have medicine and shit and machines.

And I don't know if some of these birthing centers might have that too, but

I assume if there's a major issue, you're going to an ER at that point.

Right.

But birthing centers are generally for like people that don't have the means to have a

hospital baby, right?

I don't know.

I always thought it was more of a hippie thing.

Right.

Or is it people that have like a lifestyle that they don't want to do the drug thing?

Yeah, right.

Well, I just want to get it.

They just want to have it natural.

They want to have it in their home.

Yeah.

It's big in Mormonism.

They do that.

They have it in the house in a fucking pool in the tub in the pool.

That's crazy.

Yeah, that's crazy shit.

So anyway,

he said that, you know, so I just got her messages and hung He said, I was told on, I want to believe it was Sunday, that I should be preparing to leave again, Jim told him.

He said that was something that had come up multiple times where we were told to pack, and then a few days later, we'd unpack.

He said it was a constant hassle and stress, but I was told to pack just the things we would need for a couple days and that

we might be leaving very, very quickly in the future.

At the time, we were planning on moving to Missouri to have the baby, you know, settle there and try to put our lives back together to an extent.

So Monday, November 28th, 2022, Nick heads out, not to the hospital to see his wife, to the Bass Pro shop.

Hell yeah.

Where he purchases a seven-piece deer processing kit.

Oh.

That he said that Mindy texted him.

and told him this would be a good gift for my brother, who's a hunter, for Christmas.

So we should get this for you.

You should go pick this up for him for Christmas.

Don't worry about me.

I'm just in the hospital.

I'm cool.

My brother a fucking foreman grill.

Yeah, go get it.

It's all good.

So seven-piece deer processing kit.

It's had a part of deer out, essentially.

It's a grinder slash slicer, everything.

Yeah.

So Wednesday, November 30th, 2022, Frank III undergoes hip surgery at St.

Joseph's Hospital.

Okay.

Okay.

Now Nick goes and visits him in the hospital, shows concern.

So, I mean, he didn't visit his wife, but he's visiting the father-in-law in the hospital, says Mindy's still in the hospital.

Haven't seen her, but I've been texting with her.

She's fine.

Okay.

Thursday, November 1st, 2022.

Frank III, dad, Mindy's dad, is discharged from the hospital.

Nick helps him get to the house, helps him get settled.

Yeah.

Tells Betsy, you don't worry about it.

Listen, darling.

Calm down.

You go to work.

I'll take care of Frank.

Then Mindy's ready to come home from the hospital later today.

I'll take care of Frank.

Then I'll go and get Mindy from the hospital.

There we go.

So he takes care, gets Frank all settled, gets him, you know, a fucking juice box or whatever he gets him.

And Nick heads out to the hospital.

Great.

He said that on Thursday I received a phone call and was told she'll be ready to pick up this afternoon.

He said I'd sent her a few messages and I hadn't heard back, but that's what the doctor told him.

So he said, I assume she was either napping or undergoing some sort of test and didn't have her phone with her.

He said, but then that evening,

on Thursday, December 1st, I was told that she died.

What?

Yeah.

They said.

The birthing center just told me she died?

She's dead.

Sorry.

She was alive this afternoon.

We told her to pick up.

What about my baby?

We'll talk about it.

So dead.

It's all dead.

Everybody's dead.

Everybody's dead.

Dead.

Sorry.

Everybody that was in that room, dead.

Carbon monoxide leak.

Everybody's dead.

Wow.

So he was asked, who told you that she died?

And he he said, a man at the medical clinic of some sort that I went to.

Where's it at?

That's his answer.

They said, where was the

medical clinic that you went to?

He said, somewhere in Savannah or the greater Savannah area.

That's very vague.

East, west, north, south, a direction.

Yeah, what are you doing in Savannah?

He said, I don't know Savannah very well.

Okay.

They said, so who was the name of the man that told you that?

He said, I don't recall.

Your wife is dead.

Thank you, sir.

What?

They said, okay, tell me what happened.

You went to the birthing center.

You spoke to this man and he said, I was brought back.

And he was kind of waiting for me.

Kind of waiting for me.

He said, I was brought to an office, and I assumed I was getting like I've gotten before with various medications or various, you know, tools, you know, like the blood pressure cuff that I had tested her with, that I was going to get some sort of instruction on the aftercare.

Right.

You need to do this and that.

And he sat me down and said, you know, I'm very sorry to tell you that Mindy passed away very suddenly.

So they said, did you ask to see her?

Right.

And he said, I did, but the man said I couldn't at that time.

My understanding leaving was, I don't recall his exact words, I was an absolute wreck.

So he was like, I can't.

I'm not after care at all.

I can't see my dead wife.

I'll just take off, I guess, then.

I got to go.

All right.

Yeah.

He said, my understanding was that there was going to be an autopsy, so I assumed she was being prepped for that or that she'd already been transported somewhere for that.

I was distraught, but I believed that I was going to see her, and I believed that I would get a chance to see her.

He said that the man had me sign some forms that I believe were for the autopsy, some sort of a release, which you don't need to sign a release for that.

Not for a body.

Not for a sudden death that they would have to explain of a 30-something-year-old woman, a 40-year-old woman at this point.

He said, and then I drove home.

Okay.

That's that.

And they said, well, how were you told she died?

Like, what did they say happened?

They just died very suddenly.

It's very vague.

In the greater Savannah area, it's just too very vague.

You're really shutting a lot out because of this trauma, sir.

Absolutely.

He said, at that time,

I was not.

He said that she died very suddenly, that she had been brought back from some testing and had gone to the bathroom.

And that after that, the nurse was called away before she was done in the bathroom.

And by that time, they came back to re-hook her up to the machines, and she had passed away.

So fast.

Dead in the bathroom.

He said, and that, that was why there was no alarms had been risen at the time or raised, I guess.

So he said, I drove home.

He said, I got home and I spoke to Frank and Frank and Betsy immediately.

And he returns.

He breaks down crying.

Betsy said he was sobbing so hard I couldn't understand him.

Just kept saying, she's not coming home.

She's not coming home.

No kidding.

So, yeah,

he said when he walked in, he said, I walked in and Betsy said, oh, my God, like, this is the baby.

That's what they were expecting.

We're going to come in with a baby.

Like, she didn't see from my face that something was horribly wrong.

And I just started sobbing.

And he said he told them Mindy died suddenly at the birthing center, stroke or heart issue.

Doctors aren't sure.

Baby didn't make it either.

Everybody's dead.

Everybody's dead.

So, yeah, that's that.

So that night, Nick said, I contacted Jim, I believe, shortly thereafter and told him what happened.

And he said that he would find out what happened.

He said he was so sorry for me.

And then, honestly, I think I got drunk.

You know, kill the pain, numb it.

All right.

Sometime either the following day or the day after that, we had started to reach out to friends.

So he reaches out and texts certain friends, Cameron Nelson, the credit card lady, Angela Wynne, Chris

Zaplak, and Joseph West.

Each of them get a different story.

Oh,

yeah.

What's the deal with that?

He told Cameron, quote, stroke from blood pressure issues.

Yeah.

And Cameron said that I loaned him $2,000.

It ballooned to nearly $2,000, $100,000.

He said he'd pay me back, never did.

He told me Mindy died of a stroke from blood pressure irregularities.

He told Angela massive stroke.

He told Joseph sepsis that led to infection, which is way different.

All so different.

And then told another person, just pregnancy complications,

which is wild.

He leaves the Airbnb, takes off.

Yeah.

A couple days later, he said, quote, I met with Jim.

He said he wanted to give me the results right away.

Could I meet him somewhere outside Savannah?

And, you know, I assumed that it was the closest point that, you know, I would get the news quicker on what happened.

I remember talking to Betsy on my way out because she said, you know, do you think we should,

you know,

do you think that we should like look into a lawyer or stuff like that they were talking about.

And he said, I said, absolutely.

Like, I am very unhappy with the care.

I will not be paying for this care.

If I could give zero stars, I would.

That is

not happy.

Said my wife is fine.

Mary Chill statement.

Kept her for a week.

She died.

One star.

I am not happy.

Not happy.

I'm very unhappy with the care.

It's hilarious.

He said, like, you know, how do you leave a woman who's, you know, without, with all these health issues, you know, alone for any length of time where she's not being monitored?

Like, I absolutely, at that point, wanted her, you know, to start the process of finding a lawyer.

Now, Betsy and the friends are very distraught because there's no memorial for her.

No memorial, no viewing, nothing.

He claims, as a matter of fact, that he doesn't know how it happened, but somehow she was sent to be cremated, even though that was not his instructions.

Yeah.

And

they just made an assumption?

He probably

didn't turn up.

Yeah.

And the fact that he said that he was contacted, a man called him and said, hi, I have your wife's ashes.

Yeah.

How's it going?

Can you come pick these up?

Exactly.

Can you come pick these up?

It's $5,000, by the way.

What?

That's an expensive cremation.

That's the most expensive one I've ever heard of.

You get a coffin for that, a real nice one.

It's $5,000.

And I need that in cash, by the way.

Oh, no paper trail on this.

No, I need that in cash.

And he said, well, where can I come pick up the ashes?

And they decided on the side of a road in Alabama.

Not at a building or an office.

Route 12.

Yeah.

Vague City, Alabama.

He said, he talked to the guy, and they were both traveling around at the time, and that they decided they would both somehow be near Alabama.

So they decided on Montgomery, Alabama would be a good place to stop.

So he said he met this man on the side of the road, handed him $5,000.

This man handed back to Nick a bag of his wife's ashes.

Not even an urn, a fucking bag,

a sack of ashes and her engagement ring and her wedding ring.

Here you go.

This is our most modest receptacle.

Yeah.

This is the ash equivalent of a plain pine box.

Here it is.

Wow.

A gallon Ziploc bag of your wife.

This is crazy.

So he said he was not happy with that guy out of the way.

I'm not happy with that one either.

Or the kid.

Not happy with all of this.

Really, the whole process has been

a bit uncomfortable.

But he said, I gave him $5,000 in cash that I had taken out of the bank that morning

to meet this man.

So now he's got his wife's ashes.

Now,

Betsy said after Nick left and was gone a couple days, we got an email from his security team, you know, he has a security team

saying he'd been in a terrible car accident.

Oh.

Weeks later, they said he died.

Who?

Nick died?

Nick's dead.

Dead from a car accident.

Oh, my God.

We just got an email about him.

Yeah, he's not dead.

He never was in a car accident.

Okay, this is all bullshit, obviously.

Nick's

very much alive.

But she said he's dead.

So Nick's dead.

December 2nd, 2022, a couple days after all this.

This is about when he's getting the ashes from the guy in Alabama.

Right.

4.50 p.m.

at the Portal Hunting Club in Riceboro, Georgia.

Yeah.

Yeah, 30,000 plus acres of logging and hunting land in Liberty County.

This is a big hunting preserve, basically.

It's a club here, a hunting club.

They do deer and turkey and small game hunting and all that kind of shit, seasonal memberships and all that kind of crap.

They have cabins and campsites, and they have maintained roads.

They have deer stands.

It's just a big hunting preserve.

They try to improve habitat improvement and control harvest policies.

They said that they have a lot of these in this area, many hunting clubs operating on timber company or privately owned land even.

So

late November through December is peak season.

This is when everybody's out looking for deer at this point because that's when deer are fucking.

That's when they're getting their

fuck on.

They get pregnant in November, December, have babies around June.

I have deer in my yard, a ton of them, so I can see their process.

So now they have gates during this time because there's tons of hunters, their dogs, and there's a lot of logging trucks too.

Yeah.

During this time, gates that normally block certain roads are open because there's so many people there.

Yeah, we need you in here to clear it out.

So during this time, locals use the dirt roads as shortcuts.

Sure.

To places.

Now, a guy named David Owen Lovett shot a deer.

Nice.

So he's jacked.

His dogs raced toward it.

And he said, the dogs were acting strange, wouldn't come when called.

I walked over to see what they'd found.

Another deer.

That's what he was looking for.

He said, I thought it was a hog at first.

Then

I saw what it was.

Then I saw, I saw arms.

Oh, no.

Human arms.

Yeah.

No head, no legs, just

a torso with arms, he finds.

Oh, my God.

They're like, holy shit.

No head, no legs, torso lying in the woods.

He calls the cops quickly, obviously.

Yeah.

4.58 p.m.

Deputies arrive.

By 5.15, they're crime scene taping this shit.

By 5.45, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation is on the scene.

So, I mean, this is a wild deal here.

The torso is nude, partially decomposed.

There is a black plastic tote nearby.

You know, one of those tubs.

Movers, yeah.

Overturned nearby.

There's also a Milwaukee brand knife with a red handle on the ground.

Oh.

There is Clorox wipes everywhere.

Yeah.

All over the place, those wipes.

That's a landscaping saw is what that is.

That's a good one there.

A knife, though, one of the red-handles.

Milwaukee Borant.

The outdoorsy ones.

Yeah.

Yeah, they're good.

They're good.

Clorox wipes everywhere, including wrapped around the knife's handle.

Oh.

So someone's wiping some shit down.

Scattered on the ground, there's more than a dozen Clorox wipes that they can find.

All right.

One of the agents said, in 30 years, I've never seen that many cleaning wipes at a scene.

Someone tried very hard to eliminate evidence,

getting rid of everything.

Now, is this a good place to dump a body?

A rural area?

It's not really.

It doesn't seem like it.

No, it's the type of place the police look at it and immediately understand that it's not a local

because it's the type of place that if you looked at it, it looks like a great place to dump a body.

It looks like in the middle of nowhere.

But if you were from the area, you know, this is a hugely trafficked area that tons of people are on all the time.

You just go, oh shit, woods, middle of nowhere, perfect.

Yeah, you go out to a lake in Arizona and you you go, wow, this is rural.

Nobody's ever here.

And then you look at the lake and it's just buzzing with activity.

Exactly.

Exactly.

So it just looks like endless woods if you're not from here.

The next day, December 3rd, 7 a.m., there's hundreds of searchers by 7 a.m.

Deputies, GBI agents, volunteers, dogs, helicopters, drones.

I mean, full court press.

2 p.m., they find Ugats, by the way.

But

at 2 p.m., a hunter named Philip McCauler finds something 2.5 miles away from the torso.

Okay.

Yeah.

He said, I thought it was a deer leg at first.

Damn it.

Got closer, saw toes.

Shit.

Deers don't have arms.

They don't have arms or toes.

Two things deers don't have.

And hogs.

Deer don't have those.

Yep.

He said, right leg partially consumed by animals, and there were maggots present as well.

December 5th, 2022.

If you notice, we're missing one part still.

Yeah, a whole lot of parts.

One part.

We found legs.

Oh, the middle part.

Oh, we found one leg.

The top.

That's one leg.

That's right.

Very, very top.

We're missing a head and a left leg at this point.

All right.

So the hangman's almost complete.

Now it's not going to be.

December 5th, 2022.

Cadaver dogs alert near a fallen tree and they recover a left leg.

Okay, now we just need the very tip top.

That's it.

They found the start of this

production.

A gray plastic tote was found nearby with blood residue inside.

Now, it was wiped down, but they said the totes were wiped so clean they practically shined, but blood seeps into plastic and you can't wipe it away.

Anyone who's ever put leftover spaghetti in a Tupperware understands exactly what the fuck you're talking about.

I've done that.

I don't know what you're talking about.

What do you mean?

Your Tupperware is permanently stained.

Got it.

Okay.

If you put tomato sauce in it once,

it looks like it's always that forever.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you clean it, never coming out.

It's tomato sauce on Tupperware, apparently blood on a tote thing as well.

So December 7th,

2022, searchers have covered thousands of acres.

Thousands.

Yes, they have.

A GBI agent named Lindsey Smith notices some disturbed earth near a pine tree.

Fresh-looking dirt that hasn't been packed down really and damaged roots as well by the pine tree.

Oh, we got roots sticking up.

Yep.

He said the roots had cut marks like someone started digging, hit roots, moved over, tried again.

Oh, that does suck.

Yeah.

That's, yeah.

So they dig down into the fresh dirt.

They have to dig down three feet

before they find a human head.

Yep.

And they said it was, it was hidden with care, this human head.

Really?

So the head buried, the legs.

just tossed into the brush, the torso there.

The remains are that of a white female with brown eyes,

shoulder-length hair, approximately 5'9 to 5'10 in height, approximately 185 to 200 pounds, age range of 20 to 50 years old, which again

is vague.

20 to 50?

A little bit vague.

Bigger, yeah, we don't know.

The body has no scars, marks, or tattoos.

There is a single dental implant in the upper right jaw.

Okay.

She was born in 82 and has not gotten a tattoo?

Yeah.

Wow.

Yeah.

That's very impressive.

Neither have I.

Yeah, that's very impressive.

Why?

Because nobody does that.

I think it's stranger to go to a place on purpose and give someone money to draw on you.

You may think more of a

stranger, but that's incredibly popular.

No, no, I know.

That seems like a lot of effort, is what I'm getting at.

It is.

It's just a lot of effort.

I'm too lazy to do that.

There's no way I'm doing that.

It's just sitting there for two hours the fuck out of here.

It's just fascinating when people have gotten out of doing it ever.

When have you ever seen me sit for 10 minutes besides doing this show?

I can't sit.

I can't sit.

It drives me crazy.

I get up and run around.

Fuck that.

That's all right.

I'm good on it.

So they found that.

They found clothing near the remains described as a dark blue long-sleeve Morona brand shirt.

That's Target, right?

Target brand, yeah.

Morona,

size medium, White camisole top, size large.

Light gray boy shorts with white stripe down the side, large size, and a white and white Amazon essentials underwear, size large.

That's the clothes they find.

They find black and gray totes with Mindy's blood inside.

They find the Milwaukee knife wiped clean, no DNA, Clorox wipes everywhere,

like that.

Now, the medical examiner finds a torso

with nine head wounds, defensive wounds on the arms, abdominal wounds, tool marks on bones consistent with power tools.

Oh boy.

They said nine lacerations to the head, one causing skull fracture, defensive wounds on arms and hands, cuts and bruising to chest and abdomen, body so drained of blood we couldn't get enough for standard toxicology.

Yeah.

The body was not pregnant.

What?

This is not a pregnant person.

Whoa.

Okay.

Now, they don't know who it is, but it's someone who's not pregnant.

Somebody between 20 and 50 with no tattoos that's not pregnant.

That's not pregnant.

Now, the forensic entomologist said based on fly larva development, death occurred between November 27th and 30th, 2022.

Okay.

They do an investigation to try to figure out who this person is.

No fingerprint matches.

No matches in the CODIS.

database.

No DNA matches.

Dental implant, which is usually they can trace that back to manufacturer untraceable

what somebody got like a black market sidewalk implant for implants implant not a crown implant fucking implant hold to wow forensic sketches they make they're released and here are the sketches here see them

Okay, it's a nice little painting, actually.

Nice sketch.

It actually looks really, I like how the artists sign their name down here.

It's

like you're selling it at the fair.

So

that's how they look at.

Now, that's what's going on.

They see this.

They don't know who it is.

They're asking for help.

They get hundreds of tips.

None of them pan out.

Sure.

Except for one.

And that is made by Heather.

Remember Heather?

Ex-wife.

Nick's first wife.

And

a fucking

$1.5 million to...

Yeah.

She contacts the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, recognizing the sketch.

as resembling Mindy, who she'd met briefly one time.

Who's controlling my $1.5 million.

Exactly.

She said that

she also said Nick

fucking would accuse her of infidelity, which she denied.

She would lie.

He would lie to her about money and never paid the settlement, said he was manipulative, and also that that's his wife that's dead.

Yeah.

Now,

the cops don't know.

So they need a DNA match.

They're trying to figure this out.

March 20th, 2023, Nick claims his new Ford Explorer exploded.

What?

Exploded into flames.

Ford Exploder?

And burned up with an $860,000 check inside.

Oh, goddammit.

That's horrifying.

Oh, he's in a Ben Stiller movie.

This is horrible.

Can't get a break, this guy.

Can't catch a fucking break.

So, police, through all this evidence, put a timeline together.

Okay.

They figure that the time of death was,

because they're looking into all this, and we'll talk about why, but they're trying to figure out what Nick did here because they have a suspicion this is Mindy.

So they wanted to look into Nick to see if they can investigate their way into finding out it's Mindy.

So they figure out Sunday, December 27th is the medical examiner's date of death estimated.

Monday the 28th is when he drove to the Bass Pro shop and purchases a seven-piece deer processing kit.

Oh shit.

Tuesday the 29th, Nick left the Savannah house that he was with them.

At 8:50, he left at 8:30 a.m., 8:56 a.m., a Home Depot on Abercorn Street, he stops at, purchases a Milwaukee insulation knife.

Oh.

Receipt shows Nicholas Cassadas bought it.

Surveillance shows him tucking the knife under his arm as he walked out.

9.30, he's driving south on the I-95.

10.30 a.m., stops at a marathon gas station in Midway, uses his debit card captured on surveillance.

11 a.m.,

phone is turned off, goes dark.

Okay.

Okay.

But the thing is, this fucking moron didn't realize his Ford Explorer's Bluetooth is still on.

And that keeps picking up location.

Yeah.

So your phone can be off all you want.

Whatever.

Yeah.

You got GPS in this truck.

You're going to figure it out.

Absolutely.

So

it follows the GPS of the truck and shows exactly where he goes.

At 11.15 a.m., the GPS on the Ford Explorer shows the truck entering the Portal Hunting Club via Jones Road.

Uh-oh.

For the next two hours, the car remains in the vicinity of the hunting grounds.

Pings show movement within a three-mile radius, right where all the body parts were found.

Yeah.

Same area, same exact spots where the torso, legs, and head are recovered.

Exactly.

I mean, this is easy.

Yeah.

So they think, obviously, if this is Mindy, he dismembered her with a fucking power tools from a deer processing kit and scattered these remains over three miles and buried the head for some reason.

Yeah.

So at 1 p.m., his phone turns back on.

All right.

1.30, he's captured on Riceboro camera, a town camera, leaving the area.

At 3 o'clock, he's back in Savannah getting his car washed.

Oh, it needs a little scrub today.

Yeah, a little scrubbing in there.

So not good.

We'll just put it that way.

Nick said later on.

This is where he was.

He goes, well, I don't know about any of that GPS stuff, but he said, Jim told me to turn my phone off so my location couldn't be tracked.

Jim because he said that.

He said, quote, Jim gave me GPS coordinates.

I met a red-headed man at a house, gave him two totes with our clothes and belongings, laptops, makeup, things like that.

He said he'd handle moving them.

And then I went home.

Okay.

And got a car wash first.

So then they go in and they find blood on, they rip that Airbnb apart.

Yeah.

They find blood.

It's cleaned, lots of bleach cleaned all over the place, but they find blood on the futon there.

Oh.

Okay.

They have all of that, and there's a two-hour gap that he's gone with his phone and all that kind of shit.

The Airbnb, large blood stain on the futon where someone's head would rest.

Blood had seeped through to the mattress.

Luminol revealed blood on floor that had been cleaned up, blood spatter on walls that had been cleaned up, up, and a missing rug

that had been replaced with another rug because Nick said a dog vomited on it.

What dog?

Somebody's dog.

We don't know.

Heather still wants her $1.5 million.

Of course.

He has fake Bank of America statements that everyone thinks are fake, saying he has $32 million.

Cameron Nelson has $200,000 in credit card payments.

It's crazy, but his $860,000 cashier's check burned up in the car fire.

Yep.

Can't pay anybody back.

Can't pay anybody back.

So April 2023, what's he do?

What's that?

He marries Samantha.

What?

In the fuck?

This whole time, he's been hanging out with Samantha quite a bit.

Oh.

Going to meet her and

spending a weekend with her, I believe.

And

all that, talking back and forth and setting up their big fantasy life.

And he's sending her flowers and all this stuff.

Okay.

And tires, evidently and tires yeah may 11th 2023 the police through they get res uh dna from betsy to try to match mindy yeah and they they find out that body is mindy it is she wasn't pregnant never once never pregnant no fetus no evidence of a recent pregnancy nothing was she claiming it too that's the thing who yeah oh no she was telling everybody she was pregnant oh i'm pregnant i'm pregnant.

I got

a morning sickness.

I got this.

I got that.

You can feel the baby kick.

All that shit.

She must have had some mean gas while that was going on.

Anyway, May 12th, 2023, in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, Samantha and her new husband, Nick, are planning their life together.

They're looking at buying a house in Lancaster.

Everything's

idyllic little dream world.

By the way, he had changed his name already to Nicholas Killian James Stark legally.

He's done, yeah.

I believe he did it in Missouri.

And he's arrested in Lancaster that day.

They arrest him.

There is no surprise on his face.

No surprise at all.

No surprise.

Not even a little bit.

He just asks for water, waves his Miranda rights, and talks for two hours.

Oh.

Oh, I'll talk to you.

Sure.

He's got all the answers.

We got nothing to hide.

So his first interview is in Pennsylvania.

His attorney,

he should have been, he's an attorney.

So he should have been saying,

I'm not talking to you at all.

I know the law.

But instead, he tells everything.

He talks all about Jim McIntyre because you have to talk about Jim to talk about the background.

He said he controlled everything, our moves, our money, our lives.

Said my father, Wayne, wasn't really my father, had DNA tests to prove it.

Said Wayne was trying to kill us.

So they said, well, where did Mindy die?

And he says, a medical facility in Savannah.

Which one?

His answer,

I don't remember the name.

I don't.

Wouldn't you know?

Wouldn't you know?

You signed.

They didn't give you a piece of paper, like a receipt, one dead wife with a receipt on it.

Oh, that was the other thing, too.

Later on, he'll explain that he didn't get a death certificate from the cremation guy.

He just said, I don't know, neither of us had life insurance, so I didn't think it was something I needed.

Oh, my God.

Okay.

So he said, I don't remember the name.

The detective said, what was the doctor's name?

How about that?

Anybody, yeah.

He said, I was never told.

She was keeping that from me.

Yeah, no, no, no, they were, he was never told while he was there.

Oh.

At the birthing center.

They said, you never asked.

And Nick said, Jim said it wasn't safe

to find out her doctor's name.

Not safe.

Okay.

They said, why did you believe Jim McIntyre was paying for all these places that happened?

You know, you said you didn't run up these credit cards that Jim did.

And he said, I believe that the money was being paid for us.

I believe he was protecting us because of the investigation.

They said, well, how did Jim McIntyre get Cameron's credit card information in order to have Cameron pay for all this?

And he said, I have absolutely no idea.

Not my.

That's not how you.

They said, did you provide it to him?

Uh-huh.

He said, I didn't.

I did not.

I did not, is what he said, which

that's not good.

He said that Cameron provided me with a physical credit card as well as the billing address that I believe we were using for food from time to time and two initial rents when we had first left our home.

So then he tells them that he met, they said, well, what happened to your wife?

Where's her body?

Well, I met a guy on the side of the road.

He gave me my wife's ashes.

He said he was real mad at the guy, too.

That guy's a dick.

Two hours, never once mentions a baby.

Whoa.

Never once mentions shit about a baby, pregnancy, nothing.

Because he knows.

Never, yeah.

Never asks about it,

never comes up.

So they extradite him back to Georgia.

And on May 23rd, or May 26th, he does another interview because he's a moron.

He's a guy who thinks he is smart and these people are dumb.

Yeah.

And he can talk his way out of anything

because they're stupid.

And that's what it is.

Because he's better than them.

And the two cops that sit there couldn't be the more perfect guys to do this too because they're both like older, big, fat, redneck guys with real heavy accents and all that.

So he thinks I am smarter than these fat fucking southern hick sheriffs is what he's thinking.

And he's not, by the way.

So, anyway, I'm a jag officer.

I know how to do it.

He's much dumber, as a matter of fact.

So they said, they get him down.

They said, we found your wife's body parts, Nick.

Oh.

And he said, quote, that's impossible.

She was cremated.

Well,

they said, we have DNA confirmation, Nick.

He said, Jim must have lied to me.

They said,

They said, Then the cop says, Nick, Nick, there is no Jim McIntyre.

You made him up, didn't you?

And he says, there is.

He's real.

I met him dozens of times.

I know Jim McIntyre.

They said, describe him.

Describe him for him.

Here we go.

Now, this is the point when a guy is lying.

Usually they describe whoever they're looking at.

Whoever's a person.

Your brain can't help but do that.

Instead, he says, this is amazing.

Quote, average height, average build.

Average guy.

This is the average guy.

Changed appearance sometimes.

So average height, average build looks different all the time.

Shapeshifter.

Walk into a Walmart, pick out a guy who's 5'10, could be Jim.

Nobody knows.

So the detective said, How convenient.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Then they said, Your phone was off, but your car kept pinging towers.

Do you know that, stupid?

And there's a long pause.

Long pause.

And he says, I didn't know cars could do that.

Well, they can do a lot of things now that they used to not good.

Dude, the look on his face is the same as Chris Watts when they're showing, when that neighbor is showing that footage to the cops of him pulling his car.

It's the exact same look.

Does he put his hands behind the back of his head?

He's seated, so he doesn't.

But he would if he was standing.

Felony Silver.

I didn't know.

Wow.

They said, you're a cybersecurity lawyer and didn't know about Bluetooth.

Oh, what a great thing to say right in his face.

I'm a fat, dumb, hick southern sheriff, and I know about Bluetooth, stupid.

Yeah.

Guess who's the dumb one?

Not me, dummy.

So he says, I, I, Jim just told me to turn off my phone.

That's what he says.

Oh, God.

So anyway, he said, so I was asked.

you know, not to, not to have it on.

He said, when I was in the area, I, you know, my phone was with it.

They said, you still had your phone when you went out to this place.

He said, no, I had turned it off.

And he said, well, my understanding was,

you know, that I had to turn it off.

You know, I met the red-headed man with electronics, hair stuff, you know, a laptop, some books, clothing, toiletries for both of us.

Mindy wanted makeup and perfume, you know, because she never goes out.

She wants to get all made up and perfumed while she's eight months pregnant sitting in her house.

Oh, boy.

You know, he said, things like that.

So

they said, did you kill your wife?

Hey, Nick, did you kill your wife, Nick?

He said, no, sir.

I swear to God.

No, sir.

No, sir.

By the way, every question he answers, this interrogation's on YouTube.

Every question he answers is, sir, I did not do that.

Sir, sir, because he's a Navy guy.

Oh, right, right, right.

So he answers everything with sir, I don't know.

Sir, I'm not sure.

Every single thing gets so fucking annoying after 10 minutes.

Yeah.

Like, if I'm the cop, I go, go, all right, enough.

Enough with the, sir.

We're going casual, casual Friday here.

Call me detective.

Thank you.

So he said, he said, when's the last time you saw your wife?

I saw her on Saturday, the Saturday after Thanksgiving.

They said, you didn't kill her?

And he said, I did not.

Again, oh.

Did not.

Uh-oh.

He said, he said, no, sir.

They said, you know, there's a lot of evidence.

He said, they said, do you know about the preponderance of evidence?

Like, do you know that theory of this much evidence means you probably did it?

And he said, yes, very well.

Because he's a lawyer.

Very familiar.

I've done those.

And the cop says, well, we're at a point way beyond the preponderance of evidence.

Like,

motherfucker, this isn't just a pile of shit making you look bad.

Yeah.

This is bad, and it's you.

Yeah.

We have your car pinging at the place where the body was buried.

Right.

So not good.

Yeah.

So he said, I mean,

you know, we have all this on video.

You spent 45 minutes in this giant area up there.

Then you went here and you did that.

And, you know, what the fuck?

And he says, well, Jim told me this and Jim told me that.

And they said, how do you know he exists?

Yes.

And he said, sir, Jim absolutely exists.

I've met him.

I've met him.

He's a big brown elephant with a long

with a long trunk and he's only around when no one else is here, unfortunately, but his name is Snuffalophagus, and I swear he's real.

That's what he just said.

FBI,

Snuffalophagus, FBI.

That's what he says when he shows up places.

He said, I don't know if that's his real name,

but he absolutely exists.

Sure.

You know, he said, the things we've been, you know, we've been for years with this thing, you know.

So, yeah, they said, they talk about all this.

They said, you, you testified with your ex-wife when you went, she took you to court that you had $32 million.

Right.

And he said, yes, sir, that was true.

I believed it was true, sir.

They said, you believed it was true?

How do you

believed it was true?

Okay.

Yeah.

They said, what did you believe was true?

Or why did you believe it was true?

And he said, because I had documents that

were provided to me, that Jim gave me and all of that.

And they said, Tell me about Samantha.

Where did you meet Samantha?

When did you meet him?

And he said, I guess we were aware of each other for a while, like, but we started talking.

Like,

we were fairly close.

And yeah, you know, we got fairly close in November, in November, the same month this all happened.

And he said that, you know, our online worlds got closer and then Mindy got very sick.

And they said, you continue to tell people the story that she died while pregnant.

And he said, yes, sir.

Absolutely.

You know, he said,

starting in 2020, I would wake up in the morning.

I'd take care of her.

I'd rub her back.

And they said,

she wasn't pregnant.

Right.

Why would she rub her back?

Yeah.

She wasn't pregnant.

And he said, sir, yes, she was.

She was due in January.

I rubbed her legs, and they said, she wasn't pregnant.

She was not pregnant.

She was not pregnant.

They say it three times to him.

And he said, no, sir.

She was pregnant.

Okay.

He said, even times that the cop said even the times when you guys were saying she was pregnant the doctors you're saying she went to you don't know the names or any of the locations yeah that's so dumb you never mentioned an actual doctor what about the cvs pickups or medication and he said i would routinely pick up our medication if it's been prescribed by doctors And, you know, he said also her dad, I would pick up his medications if they were refills.

He said, we did like a telehealth thing.

That's where we got medications.

Oh, boy.

They said, why'd you kill her?

He said, sir, I didn't kill my wife.

All right.

They said, it's pretty clear.

Yeah, it's pretty goddamn clear.

They said, we've got a pretty clear picture that we show all of this, what we just told you about, to a jury.

Yeah.

This jury is going to conclude you're fucking guilty, that you did it.

And

yeah, and he said, sir, I never, ever, ever saw her after she died.

I never hurt Mindy.

He minimized it.

Yeah.

And they said, you did hurt Mindy.

And he said, I fed her.

And they said, no.

And he said, I, I.

And they're trying to interrupt him.

And he said, no, sir, no.

And they said, did you,

did you discover she was lying about the pregnancy?

Is that what happened?

Is maybe that what it was?

And he said, no, sir.

He said, I thought she was pregnant.

And they're like, okay, all right.

Interesting.

So they're going off more about Jim.

And they said, okay, so let me get this straight.

Jim and the doctors,

he said, you know, Jim talked to the doctors, all that.

Jim and the doctors conspired for this whole big thing and they killed your wife.

That's what happened.

And then they stop at the, he said, and then, because he tells them, too, that he didn't have access to his Ford Explorer.

He swapped cars with the red-headed man.

Oh.

And that's who took him.

And I said, I don't even know.

I had this guy's car.

And they said, so let me get this straight.

Doctors and an FBI agent conspired to kill your fake pregnant wife.

So then you took all your stuff, gave it to a red-headed man on the side of the road, and exchanged cars with him.

And that's what happened.

That's the craziest thing.

He said, yes, sir.

There you go.

Now you're catching on, guys.

You're getting it.

They're like, you're just going to continue with this web of lies and this story, huh?

Come on.

He said, there's always a reason for things.

They said, is the reason that you're just a vicious killer and decided to kill your wife?

Is that a reason?

Or is there another reason?

So, are you a scumbag?

Is there a reason?

Is this an accident?

Give me a reason why.

So he said, I've been trying to tell you.

I've been trying to tell you about this.

I stopped for gas.

None of this is real.

I stopped.

I saw the house.

They said, how long did you stay when you dropped off the stuff?

He said, I'm not exactly sure.

They said,

you know, what the fuck?

What did you do?

Where did you place you?

He said, I just placed my stuff down and exchanged cars.

He said, 30, 40 to feet off the roadway.

And they said, that's not true.

Sorry.

And he said, that is absolutely true.

He's annoying.

He said, that's not what happened.

He said, and his voice is like this, by the way.

Really?

Sir.

It's really like

clipped and annoying.

And he,

in his police interview, he's like heavy set.

He's like a real heavyset guy.

Later on, he's like thin as shit.

He looks like a different guy.

It's so weird.

Real weird.

So anyway, they said,

Have you ever been on that property before?

The

hunting preserve.

He said, there's cameras on 25,000 acres.

It's a huge property.

So, you know,

they can get you.

And you say you've never been there, but they have your car there.

And he said, you know, for 40 minutes, you're there at the exact same spot where your wife's torso is found.

The other stop is

where

you hit the ribs with the shovel.

You can see where you hit the ribs, they're saying.

So they're talking all about this shit.

They said your buried skull gets covered in another exact spot that you were, even the next spot with the leg.

Guess what?

Your shit's there.

Yeah.

So it's, you know, figure it out, man.

So he's sitting there very

Like he's looking at him like they're crazy.

That's the thing.

He's like, what do you mean?

No, no sir no sir sir you took the wrong car bud you're yeah you're like you went to home depot yeah he goes the stops are recorded captured by your car and you know corroborated by your cell phone until you turn them off you're fucked yeah he goes it's so you know they said the big question is were you asked to go to a location to retrieve it okay fine you didn't kill her and transport her did something happen at the house that you can't talk about?

And then you dealt with it from there?

Would somebody else kill your wife?

They tell you about it and then you had to deal with it?

And he said, sir, no, none of it.

None of that happened.

They said, we know what happened.

He said, it's clear what happened.

We've got it.

They're saying, so you're saying the GPS records are wrong.

And all the security camera stuff is wrong.

And all the DNA is wrong.

And everything is wrong except for you.

That's right.

And he said, yeah,

every bit of information and evidence points to you, but you're telling us we what it's wrong.

It's all timestamps are wrong.

What's wrong?

Everything's wrong.

All electronic shit's wrong.

Common sense is wrong.

My story is right.

That's it.

That's it.

That's the only thing that's right.

So then they take a different approach.

They say, look, I've been doing this 28 years, the one guy says.

He says, you know, I've been doing this, and I don't watch a lot of them, but people watch the TV shows and stories.

Sure.

Stories.

You know, he said, I read a lot of books that have these kind of stories in them, is what the cop says.

He says, you have characters that you've envisioned, maybe in your stories and some of your stories, maybe, you know, this is part of it, maybe a fantasy and a story.

He said, but any of this goes before a Georgia jury, you know,

you're going to prison.

You're fucked.

And

so, yeah, they said, he said, I've been doing this for years.

I know how to put a puzzle together.

You know, you said you wanted full access to your lives.

Did Jim tell you anything about how he was going to do that?

And Nick says he just, he kept us safe.

He kept us safe.

That's all he kept saying.

They said, you bought, then they say, why'd you buy that knife, by the way?

Yeah.

The Milwaukee knife.

And he said, well, I bought this knife because the Airbnb I was staying at had a screen I wanted to fix.

There's a lot of us work on.

We like to work on our Airbnbs while we're at them.

I do a lot of handiwork at hotels.

I was going going to say, when I go to a hotel, I leave.

I do a deep clean before I leave.

Really, it's spotless.

I really, you know, I like to install a new mini split.

Sometimes I'll do some electric work.

You don't know.

Well, I bring two suitcases.

I bring my stuff, and then I bring a suitcase just full of cleaning supplies, collapsible vacuum, things of that nature.

Yeah, collapsible table saw.

Sometimes you've got to cut some 2x4s and trim work.

Seven-piece deer processing kit.

You never know.

Is deer spelled D-E-A-R, James?

Yeah, exactly.

So, yeah, he's just going over and over, and they keep basically going over everything.

At one point, he said that he had storage units, and he had to go down to Florida because he had storage units.

Some stuff got mailed to him, but the beer couldn't get mailed to him.

Someone had given them a bunch of beer.

I don't know.

They said, so you go from Florida to Montgomery, Alabama, you cashed a check for $5,000, cash withdrawal.

And he said, yeah.

And they said, hold on, but let's go back a second here, by the way.

You're pressured to get away from this airbnb and move out your car mysteriously burns with all your money in it right so you won't be able to close on a new house apparently right you know he said was this time to look for a new wife too oh

and he said no sir no sir they said what was your plan from there he said i planned from there because i was expecting i was expecting more money

And, you know, he said, Jim told me that things I had to lie about to keep myself safe.

They said, do you lie then to keep things safe from your dad?

And he said, yes.

Yes, sir.

So they said, you're worried about this dad, your dad, and he's such a bad guy that you're terrified by that.

You know, you've gone through all these years, living off everybody else's finances, being

a burden on everybody basically.

And then you get locked up.

Do you reach out to your parents who you haven't talked to and you don't like?

And he says, I reached out.

And said, you know, he's reached out before.

They say, your story is just,

it's just not right.

You're going to get the knife to prepare this, to fix the screen and things you're fixing, a place you're going to leave that you don't own.

And he said, yes, sir.

We wanted to leave it in the best condition possible.

My rating has to be good.

So it's fucking crazy, man.

So they talk about all this shit.

They keep going on and they keep him there for a long time.

And they go, there's evidence that's proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

We've gone beyond all this shit.

He goes, I went back and verified your story and your entire story's a lie.

So help me at this point go and explain to me why you can continuously lie.

And, you know, that means you didn't kill your wife.

Right.

He said, you lied to me.

You lied to Cameron.

You lied to your family.

You know, if you were told your wife would die, you would remember that.

If you walked in, your wife was dead, you'd remember who told you

where it was.

They said you weren't allowed to see your wife and found out she was cremated later.

You don't think as an attorney that that's a wrong thing that happened there?

Right.

So he said, I don't know.

I don't know what you're talking about.

Sir, I didn't do anything.

Sir.

And then they said, excellent.

You're under arrest, charged with malice murder, felony murder, aggravated assault, tampering with evidence, removal of a body part from a scene of death and dismemberment.

Those are serious charges, sir.

Very serious charges.

After his arrest, Samantha, after talking to the cops, learned the truth about everything.

His wife wasn't dead in 2020.

He fucking killed her in 2022.

She gets an annulment.

She annuls the marriage in May of 2022, right after he was.

He married you, you son of a bitch.

Hell no.

She talked about his lies to her, including a suspicious car fire that destroyed the check that they were going to purchase a house with.

You can get that back.

You can put a stop payment on it.

It's a cashier's check, Jimmy.

You know, you can't get it back.

He thought of everything.

It's so stupid.

That's what I mean.

It's dumb as shit.

I mean, you could still get a stop payment on that, right?

Yeah, probably get a reissue.

I'm not sure.

I don't know how that works exactly.

So she said she is forever haunted by the ordeal.

That'll be good for your writing.

Yeah, it's certainly going to help.

You're going to write some shit.

Now, pre-trial here,

okay.

The lawyer said, it's my intention, Your Honor, not to be gruesome, but rather to be strictly and solely forensically informative to the jury.

They're trying to figure out what they're going to allow into court as far as certain things.

Because the defense is saying they're just going to let in all these gruesome things.

They're going to put her head up in a certain spot that makes it look creepy and all that kind of shit.

So the court debated also whether testimony from one of Nick's ex-wives should be allowed as well.

This is the Heather with the $1.5 million.

So they're alleging that all of this on-the-run shit was just to escape the fucking process servers chasing him for payments for the wife.

And for, because he hasn't paid his wife $1.5 million.

That's all this is about?

That's what they're saying.

The prosecution's like, that's what this is about.

That's what all this moving is, is that.

And, you know, and you kept your wife on edge so she would believe you.

Yeah.

Because she would say, well, why don't you just pay her?

We have $32 million.

And she found out he doesn't have any money.

Possibly.

Or he found out she wasn't pregnant.

Or

the pregnancy was a ruse

that they planned together.

Who knows?

Yeah.

We don't know.

That's the thing.

She was not pregnant, and they both were saying she was pregnant all the time.

So she's in on this.

She knows whether she's pregnant or not.

He can't show up and say, Jim McIntyre says you're pregnant.

That's not going to work.

She's going to probably want some independent verification on that.

So,

yeah, that's what they allege here.

Now, the defense argues that the couple was fleeing from someone else, an individual named Jim McIntyre, who was controlling their finances.

He said they were living, moving every few days, few weeks, few months, under control of this person will keep calling Jim McIntyre.

While the state says that's a fabrication, it's clearly not a fabrication that he makes up after the fact because he and Mindy told people about what was going on, why they were on the run, and everything else.

Prosecutors dismissed the Jim McIntyre story as, quote, a CIA conspiracy type theory type argument.

Yeah.

And they also requested a judge that the judge allow a target receipt as evidence.

He said there's a target receipt that the defendant purchases on his way to meet with Samantha Cole Smith, his third wife, where he purchased condoms and old spice within days of his wife being deceased.

I'm going to smell like an old man and fuck.

Old spice?

That's what you're putting on?

Still wears this.

Try to get new pussy.

What are you doing?

Yeah, new pussy, Sam Cologne.

No way.

So

that is, that's interesting.

The defense said, I don't know the relevance of Mr.

Kesotis,

other than for color, the relevance of Mr.

Kesotis buying condoms in Old Spice, but I'll get to that at a point in time.

So they're going to allow some, not allow some shit.

Okay.

August 2025, here comes the trial.

And this is all on YouTube.

YouTube.

It is the entire trial.

And it is riveting and mesmerizing.

And I definitely suggest you watch it

because the prosecutor is awesome in this.

This lady, the way she grills him is tremendous.

It's cool as shit.

So trial here, the prosecution says he had evidence handling and crime scene cleanup knowledge as a former prosecutor.

He understood forensic evidence, chain of custody, how investigators build cases.

Prosecutors in the trial argued that his experience as a prosecutor meant he knew how to clean a crime scene.

He knew what they were looking for, which is true.

He said that he dismembered Mindy's body, possibly using tools like a deer processing kit,

scattered the remains over a three-mile radius in the remote woods, wiped down the items like knives and storage totes with disinfectant wipes, leaving no recoverable DNA on most of the stuff, and cleaned blood from their savannah rental home using chemicals like Blue Star,

Blue Star Ragent?

I don't know what.

Oh, Agent.

Okay.

Investigators also found only small traces on the futon and the walls of that.

So he turned his phone off during key times to avoid tracking, showing his awareness of digital forensics.

His Navy JAG status lent him authority and trust, making it easier to deceive others without immediate suspicion.

Friends loaned him $200,000 as one friend.

Family believed the threats, and he quickly remarried by posing as a widower.

They said the prosecution emphasized how his background allowed him to capitalize on opportunity and create consciousness of guilt through lies that plugged holes in his story.

That's what they said.

He said, December 2nd, 2022, hunters found a headless, legless torso.

Nude, completely nude.

In court.

That's an extra jab.

The knife was purchased by Nicholas James Kassotis at 8:56 a.m.

on the morning her body was dumped.

I submit to you that the killer was a prosecutor.

He would have known how to clean up.

Nowadays, though, everybody knows how to clean up because we've all seen every show in the world here.

She was found on December 2nd.

He was already engaged by February, already married again by April.

Bring your common sense, follow the law, and give justice to Mindy Kassotis.

Sure.

Okay.

The defense says, quote, Mr.

Kassotis is not just

an accomplished attorney and decorated JAG officer.

He's also a man who lived in fear, relentless, all-consuming fear.

A man calling himself Jim McIntyre claimed to be with the FBI, told them their lives were in danger.

He lied for years, not because he wanted to deceive them, but because he believed their lives were dependent on it.

Meaning, Nick telling his family.

They were living, moving every few weeks, every few months, all that kind of shit.

So

anyway, he said Jim is real.

They get Betsy on the stand.

The prosecutor said, was Mindy working?

She said, no, she was not.

They asked why, and Betsy said she was scared to death to leave the house.

They supposedly had people after them.

Okay.

Medical examiner provides graphic testimony on the autopsy.

describing how the body was drained of blood due to dismemberment across the femurs, severing major arteries.

He detailed nine head lacerations, the skull fracture, abdominal chest cuts, bruising, defensive wounds on arms and hands, indicating she fought back.

Toxicology on liver tissue

due to a lack of blood showed a non-lethal dose of Benadryl in her system.

Okay.

Yeah.

She took some allergies or something.

There's no evidence of pregnancy or a fetus.

The medical examiner said no trace of a fetus.

She was not pregnant.

The prosecutor said her parents thought she was eight months pregnant.

The medical examiner said, that's what they were told.

I don't know.

I'm a doctor.

I go in, there's no baby.

That's all.

I don't give a shit what people tell anybody.

On cross-examination, he acknowledged the head wounds would produce significant blood, but only small amounts were found at the home.

Defense suggested that futon blood could be menstrual.

Okay.

She flowed all the way through everything, man.

She was flowing.

Yeah, it comes out of her head sometimes.

She's bleeding from everywhere.

Ah, from everywhere.

An investigator detailed his purchases: the knife, the deer processing kit, a shovel and hammer on November 4th, suggesting you use that to bury the head.

So he waited until then.

And cleaning supplies and gloves on August 16th.

A DNA analyst confirmed human blood on the knife and totes, but in insignificant amounts, insufficient amounts for profiles.

They get a tool mark examiner.

This said that the scene knife wasn't used for dismemberment.

The Milwaukee knife wasn't.

A similar deer processing kit saw couldn't be eliminated, but marking suggested a power tool, not a hand saw.

Okay.

Okay.

So he might have thought, I can do this with this deer processing kit, and then said, this is harder than I thought.

Yeah.

I better get out the Makita.

This is bad.

He needs an Instagram account.

Seeing how they field dress and butcher those things?

Yeah.

You can't do it in your grocery store.

And he doesn't hunt at all, by the way.

He's never been hunting, so he doesn't know anything about that.

They even ask him that.

So FBI analyst James Bernie tracked his car near the Home Depot in the hunting club on November 29th with a two-hour phone blackout, implying he avoided

tracking while he was dumping.

The defense argued the cell data was imprecise.

Oh.

Yeah, he was 100 yards away from where his wife's head was.

He didn't bury it.

It's way too close.

Huge coincidence that he happened to be just hanging out in the middle of nowhere.

Somebody clearly followed him and then saw where he stopped and threw body parts there.

Yeah.

The Airbnb owner testified, noticing a missing den rug after the family moved out that had been replaced by a similar, cheaper one, implying a cleanup.

Uh-huh.

Then this dip shit testifies.

And oh boy.

Yeah.

He has to testify.

Got no choice.

Because it looks terrible.

And he's got to be convincing in this bullshit story of his.

So he took the stand.

He swore it was Jim McIntyre orchestrating everything.

He said that the meeting was in late 2017.

FBI agent comes to our door, oversees hackers, blah, blah, blah.

He managed everything.

He said I had $32 million from software work.

I kept it in a trust for safety.

I saw documents, bank documents, everything, bank statements.

Everything looked real.

Jim said Wayne wasn't my biological father.

He had DNA tests, said Wayne was behind the threats, that he wanted me back but would kill Mindy.

Mindy told me she was pregnant.

I believed her.

We'd lost a baby in 2021.

This was our miracle.

He said that on December 1st, the man at the birthing center said she died suddenly, stroke maybe.

I begged to see her.

He said she was already being autopsied.

Then he met a stranger by the roadside in Alabama to purchase the creation.

By the way, During the trial here is the part where they talk about when he went to the hospital.

Oh.

And when he said, I was not happy with that care.

I was very unhappy with the care.

The entire crowd laughed.

The entire dude, it was like he fucking crushed.

He hit a joke that landed.

The whole fucking gallery laughed at him when he said that.

That was not happy.

I was not happy with that care.

Everybody laughed, and he was dead fucking serious.

It was so funny.

He thought that was going to hit different.

Several times during the trial, he says such a crazy lie that everyone laughs.

Wow.

Not gasps, not fucking goes,

laughs out loud.

Unbelievable.

Ridiculous.

About the deer processing kit purchase.

He said, Mindy texted me, said it'd be a perfect Christmas gift for her brother Matthew.

He loves hunting.

Matthew testifies he never received it, knew nothing about it.

Nick's not a hunter.

He never hunted, so he didn't know.

He admitted buying the knife, shovel, deer kit, traveling the route, but he claimed the phone was off per safety.

Anyway, they said, said, why'd you believe Mindy to be pregnant?

He said, Mindy told me she was pregnant.

And he said, yeah, she took a test and it was positive.

Did you see the test?

I don't know if I saw that test.

I had seen a test before, but I may have, I may not have.

I've seen tests.

I just don't.

I've seen tests, you know, things.

They said, had she ever been pregnant before?

He said, the year before.

They said, at some point, did you travel down to the Liberty County area?

That's Riceboro.

I believe so.

Why?

This was on Tuesday, I believe, Monday or Tuesday.

I believe it was Tuesday based on the other things.

And I had been told to bring those two bins that we had to a house.

I assumed it was someone who worked at this birthing center or someone Jim was familiar with.

You didn't even know who you were giving all your shit to.

Either somebody at a birthing center that's real vague in Savannah or

Jim knows.

Somebody, yeah, yeah.

He said at this point, and this was something we've done before where we were going from point A to point B, and some of our stuff went to point C in between.

So I brought them down.

Give me any contact information for Jim.

How do you think?

Does he just pop into your life and go, here I am, I need you to do it.

He contacts you.

Yeah.

You look up in the sky, there's a message written by a fucking crop duster.

You never know.

He said, I met with a gentleman and delivered them to him.

A gentleman.

What vehicle were you driving?

My Ford Explorer.

It was a 2022 Forest Green.

He said, what man did you meet with?

I don't know his name.

I was just directed to go to him and to deliver this.

To deliver what again?

Two totes full of personal items, things we'd need for a couple days that I've been asked, you know, toiletries, some clothes, shoes, some books, things of that nature.

Okay, where'd you deliver them to?

I'm not exactly sure.

The ginger.

He has no idea where he's gone.

Yeah.

He said it was a house, I presume, somewhere in Greater Liberty County area, but I'm not exactly sure.

He likes saying somewhere in the greater area.

Yeah.

He said, how'd you know where to deliver these then?

How did you get there?

And they said, I was given an address of a church and I was told to use that as a waypoint.

Then I was given GPS coordinates.

A waypoint.

A waypoint.

Wow.

We move like overseas armaments and shit in less secret areas.

In much more specific areas.

Yeah, this is so secretive for that.

He said,

I was told to turn off my phone because of concerns it could be tracked.

They said, so how did you get to the location without use of your phone?

And he said, Mindy and I had a GPS, an old Garmin GPS that, you know, always been kind of our backup.

One of those old stick it to the windshield ones there.

They're like a tom-tom.

He said, if, you know, if you lose cell coverage or something like that, if you're somewhere, then we can keep that with us actually for a long term.

They said, where's the GPS now?

He said, I believe it burned up in my car.

I believe.

It must have exploded along with my check.

Well, they said, where's the shovel you purchased November 4th at Home Depot?

He said, I believe

it was either, well, I know it was either given to Frank III, dad, good father-in-law, or it was left at the house on East

on East 65th Street.

They said, well, we have receipts and photos of you buying a Milwaukee knife.

And he said, I did.

Why were you buying the knife?

One of the screens that I had put in place, the one in the living room with the TV where Frank and Betsy spent most of their time, there was something weird about it.

Yeah.

So I'm going to go buy something and fix it.

And an Airbnb that I pay $4,500 a month for.

Call somebody, tell them about it.

He said, it looked like it had been damaged when it was initially installed, but it would hang out quite often.

And I was having a very hard time keeping the netting on it and keeping it secured up there.

So I was looking for something with that kind of long and thin.

I thought I could trim it back, trim back the netting without causing further damage to this and hopefully get it to sit up there.

This was one of Mindy's big things always, like every place we live, you know, even though there are vacation rentals, we should leave it in a better condition than we found it.

It's a great rule of thumb for everywhere.

It is.

I like to fully detail a rental car after I have it.

I need it to really just go over it.

Sometimes I'll replace the wheels if there's a scratch.

Definitely a tire if it's balding.

New paint job if there's time.

yeah if there's time i

anything oh man they said the air filters will be replaced i promise that yeah yeah

they said you're not a hunter i'm not so they said why would you buy a deer processing kit at bass pro shop

just like them and he said talked about the christmas gift and all that they said also um where is that set of knives he said i believe i left that at the property when i departed i left some things there uh that were kind of upsetting to see, you know, some of Mindy's things, excuse me, some of Mindy's goods, some things that she had picked out.

And I believe that Mr.

McIntyre was coming to pick them up and store them with the rest of our belongings.

I said, Where's that Milwaukee knife you purchased?

He said, The Milwaukee knife was either left in my car when it burned.

It's so convenient.

Everything could be in the car when it burned.

or left in my storage unit in Lancaster, Pennsylvania.

They said, okay,

why were Mindy's ashes in Alabama?

Yes.

By the way, his story's so crazy.

This is his lawyer asking him these questions because he's got to clear them up.

This is,

and this is on the stand.

This is so dumb.

This is on the fucking stand.

So, man, he looks like, I don't know why anybody wouldn't believe me.

And he's one of these guys, too, that he gets the question, then turns to the jury to answer it.

Oh, no.

Like fucking Amber Heard.

Why'd you shit on the bed, sir?

Yep.

A lot of weird, a lot of weird blinky shit, too.

A lot of weird blinking he does.

He's a weird blinker, this guy.

He said, I have no idea where Mindy had been cremated.

That was information I got thirdhand from Mr.

McIntyre.

Then I received a phone call from a gentleman who said, you know, I had to arrange to pick them up.

And we were discussing where that would be.

Turns out it would be Montgomery, Alabama.

And he said, what did he give you there?

He gave me a bag, said it contained Mindy's ashes and contained her engagement and wedding ring.

They said, what, if anything, did you give him?

I gave him $5,000 in cash I withdrew that morning from the Renaissance Bank in Montgomery.

Did he give you any additional paperwork?

Yeah.

He said, he did not.

No.

Did he give you a death certificate?

He did not.

No.

Got nothing.

Did you ask for a death certificate?

No.

He said,

I asked at one point, I asked Mr.

McIntyre if I could get one.

Because Jim McIntyre, FBI agents in charge of the coroner's office, like, what are you talking about?

It's a death certificate.

He said, but given that we had no life insurance, I didn't, it wasn't something that I needed for anything.

It was just something I wanted to have, and I failed to follow up on it.

Yeah.

You know,

the draw of new tits and all.

So they said, you both had no life insurance.

We both had no life insurance.

And they're saying that to say, so you had no real motivation to kill her, right?

Right.

Other than you met a chick that same fucking month that you started hanging out with and you dug and all this shit.

So they said, where'd you go after Alabama?

St.

Louis, Missouri, he says.

Really?

Arrived there the next night.

He said, I did work for APIS there.

This company, by the way, they still cannot, as of this court fucking thing that happened four months ago, still never found that to be a real company.

APIS doesn't exist?

Maybe it does.

It's a super secret, you know, covert, whatever, but not on the books.

It doesn't.

Okay.

And he said, I also filed to change my name.

They said, where'd you file to change your name?

And, you know, he said, I went down and I filled out the paperwork and all that kind of shit.

So he said that it was kind of the culmination of our, you know, everything we were going through, him and Samantha now, that if we change our names too soon, that our name change would be figured out and then we'd have to go through the whole process again.

But that, you know, was kind of the last thing we would do would be changing our last name so that we could not be found.

And they said, and you saw paperwork where you changed your name.

And he said, actually, physically, well, I went to two courthouses, but because I went to the wrong courthouse first, but I physically filed the paperwork myself.

This is so frustrating.

It is.

On cross-examination now,

wow.

This prosecutor is just like, the look on her face is like, so lying shitbag.

Let me ask you this.

Like, he'll say a lie and she'll just look at the jury like, Really?

None of us are buying this shit, right?

He said, he said to her, Jim told me I had $32 million.

Did you verify that?

He said, I believed it was true.

Where are your W-2s proving that you've made this money?

What are you talking about?

Prosecutor said, you're an attorney with two law degrees, right?

And he said, yes, ma'am.

You're like, wow, you're pretty fucking dumb.

He said, you're a JAG officer who verified everything.

Yes, ma'am.

But never verified Jim was FBI.

And he said, well, Mindy saw a badge.

Okay.

And they said, never got a death certificate.

He said, didn't need one.

No life insurance.

Never got the doctor's name.

He said, I was in shock.

And she goes, you have two law degrees.

Yeah.

Yes, ma'am.

Okay.

And brought zero documents to prove any of the things you're saying, literally anything you're saying.

You have zero documentation.

And he said, quote, they were destroyed in the car fire.

The Ford Exploder.

They said, well, how convenient.

And she said that with a stank eye turned to the jury, like, can you believe this lying sack of shit?

I'd be going to Ford and asking, how many of your explorers from 22 explode?

Yeah.

Well, just the one?

He's saying the people exploded.

Oh, God.

It wasn't a mechanical fucking problem.

He's being hunted.

It was arson, but it wasn't me arsoning.

It was them.

No, no, no.

Them arsoning.

Yeah.

So they said, you never asked about the baby.

Yeah, right.

And

he said, I, what?

That's his response.

What's that now?

She said, two hours with police, never asked about your unborn child.

He sits there silent for like three seconds.

She said, because you knew there was no baby.

Yes.

And he said, that's not true.

And the prosecutor said, because you killed her when you found out she lied.

That's what they're thinking happened here.

He was like, he found that new woman and was like, man, I wish I could kill my wife, but she's pregnant, she's got a baby coming, all this.

Then he found out she's not pregnant.

He's like, I'll kill her then.

Great.

Certainly kill her.

Yep.

Closing arguments here.

Okay, prosecution.

Nine strikes to the head, dismemberment, disposal in the woods.

These are not the acts of a man running from shadows.

He wanted children.

Mindy knew if he found out she wasn't pregnant, she'd lose him.

That's why you bury a head.

That's why you stab her in the belly.

Oh.

Yep.

The defense said he lived the Jim McIntyre story for years before arrest.

You can't make that up retroactively.

They're saying he didn't just make it up after his wife was dead.

He's been talking about her for years.

He said the state can't tell you how she died.

I think they just did.

Yeah.

I mean, she's got her head's beat in.

She's got stab wounds.

She's been cut up.

Can't tell you where she died.

Well, they found blood spatter and stuff just because you said she had a heavy period all the way down to the futon cushion.

Yeah, futon's got it.

It's true.

To the pad.

To the pad.

Not good.

Can't link that specific knife to the murder.

Ladies and gentlemen, open and shut, not guilty case.

That's it.

That's all.

What we should really be doing is putting Jim McIntyre up here and making him go through.

The jury deliberates for 72 minutes.

Minutes.

Minutes.

Not days, not hours.

An hour, 12.

They didn't even get like their fucking pizza.

Couldn't even finish a whole movie.

Nope.

They found him guilty on all 12 counts.

All right.

Malice, murder, felony, murder, aggravated assault, concealing death, possession of a knife during a felony, counts six through ten of possession of tools during a crime, removal of body parts, tampering with evidence.

Okay.

Fucked is what that is.

Victim impact statements during sentencing.

Mindy's sister-in-law said, quote, you're a sociopath and a psychopath.

You thought you were smarter than everyone.

Mindy was bright, generous, funny, everything you're not.

You dimmed her light slowly, strategically, isolated her from everyone who loved her.

That's good.

That's good.

Mindy's best friend, Morgan Paddock, said, she lived every day in fear because of your lies.

The Jim McIntyre story, that was you.

The threats, that was you.

The danger she feared, that was you.

Oh, yeah.

There's no.

No proof of any kind that Jim McIntyre ever existed or anyone from the FBI ever talked to him or anything else.

Wow.

And he's saying that's because it's covert and they're tiding it now, and you know how it goes.

So,

you know, the Matrix and all.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So.

Isn't it the CIA that does that, not the FBI?

Yes.

That's why they called it CIA conspiracy theory type stuff.

I mean, the FBI, too, but you know how it goes.

I don't believe she's.

Yeah.

They're not going to kill anything.

So Samantha, the new ex-wife,

testifies, saying she was victimized and deceived.

deceived also.

Her statement read in court said this, I feel raped by him.

Jesus.

I was not allowed to consent to a romantic and intimate relationship with Nicholas because he lied about his entire identity.

There was no opportunity for true consent.

He's a murderer.

How about that?

What are we parsing?

She's a victim to.

Splitting rape hairs.

What are we talking about here?

Yeah,

there's a lot of people.

I let the wrong guy fuck me.

Yeah.

Let's look at the scale here.

Who's been lied to more?

Yeah, she got lied to, and it sucks, but unfortunately, that's not what rape is, but okay.

No, no, no, no, that's that's weird.

So I guess you could feel like that, but you can't say that in court,

especially when we're here to talk about a poor woman who's been killed and dismembered.

Like you are,

you're not a victim.

Almost every dude on Tinder would be arrested for rape

for lying their ass off to get laid.

About everything.

No shit.

So Nicholas's mom

here, she described him as a calm, gentle man, incapable of violence, insisting, quote, the jury got this one wrong.

Really?

Really?

She highlighted the lack of direct evidence and belief in his innocence, despite the conviction.

She said, they don't know the boy who helped underprivileged children in South America.

This isn't possible.

We feel

incredible sympathy for Mindy's family.

Nicholas was not responsible for this.

We know him to be a kind and gentle person.

Now, Nick's dad, who, by the way, in court they verify is his real fucking father with DNA tests.

All of that is bullshit, too.

This poor guy, they're in court every day sitting there.

Wow.

Every fucking day sitting there supporting him while they talk about how he's not his real father.

He said, I respect the jury's work, but with all due respect, they got this wrong.

The person sitting there can't take, couldn't take someone's life.

The judge disagrees.

Judge Charles Rose, old Charlie Rose here, sits him down with a black background and has a little chat.

He says that he dismissed the defendant's story about Jim McIntyre, called him a fictional character who does not exist, and stated that the case was supported by a mountain of compelling evidence.

Mr.

Kasotis, you created a web of lies that got yourself tangled, that you got yourself tangled in.

You wrote fiction and your life became fiction, but Mindy's death was real.

The wound patterns show rage.

The dismemberment shows calculation.

The burial of just the head shows something else.

Yeah.

Shame, perhaps, or the inability to look at what you've done.

This case reveals a level of depravity that shocks the conscience.

You didn't just kill her.

You erased her, scattered her, tried to make her disappear.

All her hopes and dreams dashed in an incident,

in an instant, by the one person who vowed to protect her.

You, sir.

May fuck off.

That's a good one there.

Maximum penalty, life in prison without the possibility of parole, plus 25 years consecutively served on that.

So once you're dead, another 25.

Great.

One juror said, the jury foreman said that there was no McIntyre evidence.

They never believed that he existed for a second and called the acts unspeakable and said he got everything he deserved.

So.

No, Jim McIntyre did not fucking exist.

He made this entire guy up to his entire...

Think about that.

Yeah, he's a terrible person.

Terrible.

Yeah, no witnesses ever saw him.

No FBI record, no record located.

This would have never happened if he didn't brag about being rich as shit.

That's it.

That's all he had to do was shut the fuck up.

All communication through changing phone numbers controlled millions that never existed.

We don't know why Mindy would fake this pregnancy or if that was something they cooked up together.

We don't know and we'll never know.

He may have convinced her to do that saying we could get out of

it.

Who knows?

Whatever.

Just pretend that you're pregnant and I'll get you pregnant later.

I don't know.

But she gained a bunch of weight.

So maybe she was trying.

Maybe they were doing it together.

We don't know if they were in it together because he couldn't say that on the stand because that would show that he knew that she wasn't really pregnant, which he already said he didn't.

So we don't know.

How much did Mindy know?

Her family said she believed the whole story and lived in genuine fear, but who knows?

She told her friends on signal.

She feared for her safety.

Who the hell knows?

Either way, that is Riceboro, Georgia.

And one of the craziest, I'm telling you, that trial is riveting.

I mean,

the pregnancy is what I'm most concerned with.

Oh, it's insane.

I need to know why and how.

But he is a bad, bad guy.

Dangerous.

Dangerous.

And now he's in prison forever.

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Happy hour.

Checking in in Conroe, Texas.

I think he's home right now.

Janice Hill, Michelle Mishka, Arioli Wolfenden, Dana McEnroe, Caitlin with no last name.

Marley would know last name.

Jen McMurphy, Matt McDonald, spelled like Norm, Elizabeth Eden, Megan, Megan, Megan O'Brien, Evan Pascoe, Coyote Bongwater.

I don't know what that means.

That's crazy.

I don't either.

Okay.

Smuggling it.

Patrick with no last name.

Todd Barton.

Chelsea Later.

Golden Girl.

Jordan with no last name.

Eden Cyrus.

Lily Massey.

Hello, Lily.

Nicholas Vargas.

Janice with no last name.

Lori Boren.

Aislin with no last name.

Jennifer Hart.

Brittany Quiggle.

Steve Curtin.

Annie

Olson.

Christiana with no last name.

Jennifer Johnson.

D-A.

The letters, D and A, Colleen Watson, Brenna Casanova, Michael Carpenter, Aaron Tanner, Darlene Rolfe,

Haley Landford, oh boy, Landfire, Landfear, Amanda Nishi, Jeff Seahorn, Dana Danny, Danny Foster, Candace Galkin, Linda Fowler, Philip Hartman, probably not, more than likely not.

I would assume not.

100%.

We know it's not.

Unless it's Junior.

Jalen,

Heckle, Natalie Deschner.

Eric with no last name.

Leslie Ann McCaskill.

Paige Leby.

Tyler Dennis.

Kathy with no last name.

Whitney with the letter spelled like a knee.

I don't think that's real.

Wit.

Knee.

I don't think that's real, but that's how they spelled it.

Trey.

Highlights puzzle.

With no last name.

Yeah.

Michael.

Wit.

Yeah.

Wit.

Point to the head.

Michael Lawson.

Unicorn Princess.

Jessica Cavalier.

Diana with no last name, Maddie Hamilton, Ari would know last name, Lindsey Blix, Shannon Yimenez, Jamie, or Jaime, Kate, Crystal Rivis, Delaney Gardner, Virginia Higdon Bacon,

Rebecca Mulford, The Sick Nasty, 54.

I don't know what that is.

Is that a move?

I don't know.

Yeah, I think that's the 54th.

There's a deck of 52 cards.

That's the 54th move.

It's real deep, got you.

Yes.

You got to use both Jokers for that one.

It's wild.

Anna Lewis, Steffi C., Breonna Pinkston,

Katie Solomon, Destalee, Destalee, Sassman.

One True Legend, Shane Dahl.

Caden?

Caden.

Is that Caitlin?

I may have missed a letter there.

There's no way that's Caden.

K-A-T-E-Y-N.

That's not Caden.

I've never seen it like that.

Graham.

It's probably Caitlin Graham.

There's no way it's Caden.

All right.

Tammy.

Thank you, Caden.

Kinnison.

Yeah, it's a different spelling than Sam, though.

Julie Ann Wood, Ed Janaski, Janisky, Lindsey Pruden, Sean Freider Fried, Healy Kropf,

Jesse Adams, Shannon Wiggins, Samantha G, Nicole Rosenau, Alicia

Ander Lee, Sierra Araz, Aroz,

Jarrell, Ian Barrier, Kiefer Pace, Mama Cat,

Agniski, as

no, Agneskika, Lynn.

You lie.

Not going to do it.

John Redock.

Deanna Dina.

Shea.

Jason Peters.

Crystal M.

Nope.

N, the letter N.

Madison with no last name.

Tiffany Harrison.

Tina Rubinaki.

Rubinacci.

Rubinacci.

Rubinacci.

Rubinacci.

Sarah Klinger.

Carson Hoffart.

The word fart is in your name.

Yes.

That's great.

That is fucked up.

That's terrific.

Jesse Parrott.

Perfect.

I really got brought up in school, I'm sure.

Sure, you were never made fun of for that.

A hoe fart.

That's what they called you.

Ho's fart.

Eric Gerard, Sadie Jones, Peruse,

Pyrruz

with no last name.

Sadie Jones,

Dara Thornhill, Susie with no last name.

Vergie, Vergie, Leone, Leon, Michael McStott, Jeff Page, Michelle with no last name, Promise with no last name, Landon Huffman, Kate Matthews, Brandon Horton, Raven Landau Ayala, Tim Ellis, Sean Dwyer, Dagwood with no last name, Shannon Prenger, Taylor Dawson, John Chalk, Crazy for Murder.

That's fun.

Beverly Smith, Josh Gendron,

Gendron, Lozio with no last name, Tyrell Peterson, Laura.

Nope, that's Tara.

Johnson, Julie Brown, Susie.

Oh, like downtown.

Susie Espinoza.

Kristen Lane, Jesse Senzabaugh, Daniel Sigmund, Mike with no last name, Sarah Roberts, Haley Hale, it's probably Haley O'Neal, Lynn Gherking, Ashley Old Old Ham, gross, Kayla Angela,

Martin Oza,

Olzuski, Ellen, Elon with no last name, Keith with no last name, Haley Fuel, Heidi Gempler, Elena Wirschning, Werschnig,

Tanya Averill, Avaril, the Steel Artisan, Amanda Hitt, Scheiler, Winning, Jolene Jackson, Rachelle with no last name, perhaps Rachel, Josh Hayes, Casey Thire,

Amy Schoff,

Kickin' L, Kaiken, Kaken.

I don't want to go too far with that.

Ed Reisman,

Meg Patel, Pedal,

Christy Sanford, Jen Faria, Michelle Rama.

These are fucked up this week.

Ramagwinalese.

Kathy Grop, possibly Grop, Julie Mack McCormick, Jasmine Lamey, Chloe Allie Sarnak, Steve Wart, Warfel, Freya, Frazia with no last name, Leslie Fry, Christine Anderson, Gabrielle Stevens, Jarrett Logan, Liz with no last name, Renee Martinez, Amanda Marie, or

Mary,

and all of our patrons.

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