The Electrician Executioner - East Hampton, New York

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Speaker 3 Let's do this, everybody. Okay.
Let's go on a trip. Yeah.
Shall we? We're going to New York this week. Nice place.
It's not, well, this is a really nice place we're going to.

Speaker 3 We're going to East Hampton, New York,

Speaker 3 which is, it's actually, this is Texas. The Hamptons? Yeah.
The Hamptons. This is way out on the end of Long Island.

Speaker 3 This is where the richest of the rich people have houses. Not where they live.
No, no, no. Where they spend summers and weekends.
Get the fuck out of there. And things like that.
This is

Speaker 3 hedge fund manager billionaires. Hi,

Speaker 3 Jerry Seinfeld. Where this takes place this week, Seinfeld's house is on the next block.
Oh. So, I mean, we're talking people with hundreds of millions, if not billions, of dollars live here.

Speaker 3 It's crazy stuff. This is actually, it happened in East Hampton Village, but that's inside East Hampton, so that doesn't really matter.

Speaker 3 It's just a smaller part of East Hampton. It's like I said, eastern tip of Long Island, about two hours to New York City.

Speaker 3 It's a trek over there.

Speaker 3 About two hours and 15 minutes to Chappaqua, New York. Our last New York episode, Murder by Moonlight, back in early June, I believe.
That was a crazy one. This is in Suffolk County out here.

Speaker 3 Area code 631 and 934. The motto here is, quote, America's Most Beautiful Village.

Speaker 3 Stay out, Prax. Yep.

Speaker 3 Well, unless you're going to do my landscaping or something. Stay out.
That's the thing. The people that actually live here are the people that service all of these rich people.

Speaker 3 Those are the people that live here. So the stats are kind of interesting.
A little bit of history here. The village of of East Hampton, founded in 1648 by Puritan farmers.
Wow. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 The community was based on farming with some fishing and whaling. Sure, sure.
Yeah, there's no more farming going on out here. Or much whaling, right? No, it's illegal now.
I don't whale anymore.

Speaker 3 All right. Well, then, yeah.
There's like two countries on earth that whale, and it's like Japan and Faroe Island.

Speaker 3 Literally, this is the only two countries that whale. Does Alaska allow some still a little bit? It's America.
I doubt it.

Speaker 3 I mean, like the northern native area of the Ukraine. Yes, I think they have,

Speaker 3 yeah, if there's actually people going out with a fucking harpoon, you know what I mean? They probably let a tribe of people do that or something like that.

Speaker 3 But you can't go like a big fishing boat and go out there and get some of that. Yeah,

Speaker 3 I don't think they're trapping them. I think they're like, if a native tries in,

Speaker 3 they have to do something. They've been doing that for thousands of years.
Go ahead and keep doing it. So

Speaker 3 now, whales that washed up on the beach were butchered, and whales were hunted offshore with rowboats, a lot of times manned by Montauk Indians. Really?

Speaker 3 So that's how that, yeah, that's how that's what Montauk is named after. That makes sense.
Everything here is named after a tribe. From Woppingers, it's the Woppinger tribe.
Same thing.

Speaker 3 It was the 1910s and 20s that they started building the luxury estates. And that's when it became a big deal.
Really? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 They figured out summer's pretty fucking nice. Well, yeah, the summer by the beach.
And wow, we got a beach over here. We probably shouldn't just be farming.
It's probably a great beach.

Speaker 3 Oh, it's beautiful out there. Beautiful out there.
Reviews of this town. Here we go.
Here's five stars. I have lived in East Hampton all my life.
So for 18 years. Oh, an 18-year-old.

Speaker 3 This is an 18-year-old. East Hampton is where I grew up.
We knew that. You just said you'd live there your whole life.
Went to. That means you're.

Speaker 3 You're going to say the same thing over and over again. So you're either really rich or you hate rich people.
One of the two. Went to school, made friends, and learned so much.

Speaker 3 East Hampton is located in a beautiful area at the end of Long Island, and I wouldn't want to live

Speaker 3 anywhere else. That's right.
And this shit's super flat, right? There's not a beach. No, no, no, it's a beach hill.
No, no, no, no. This is amazing.
There's no flat. There's no pills over here.

Speaker 3 Here's three stars. I love the beaches in East Hampton.
They are beautiful and are always protected by lifeguards in the summer. Imagine what these people pay in taxes.

Speaker 3 There should be a lot of lifeguards.

Speaker 3 Should be the old

Speaker 3 Bay Watch teams.

Speaker 3 Just smoking hot chicks in bikinis and big muscular guys. How many beaches you've been on on the west coast? Have you ever seen a fucking lifeguard? Yeah, I'm not a beach guy.

Speaker 3 No, I've seen a lot of people.

Speaker 3 I like a rocky beach. I like a hoodie, hoodie-wear.
I never see those. I mean, those towers are everywhere.

Speaker 3 They've never got a person. No, no.
Here they do. They got them.
Here they got teams. Wow.
So you always feel safe going into the water.

Speaker 3 Although the traffic is crazy since summer, since summer, it's always hard to get around. Yeah.
All right. Okay.
People in this town. Here we go.
Population of East Hampton is

Speaker 3 27,626. In East Hampton Village, it's about 1,500.
Wow. And so that's like kind of the southern part of East Hampton.

Speaker 3 More women than men, because these are a lot of wealthy people, too, that the women will outlive the men here. It's 52% women, 52.2% women.
Median age is older than the norm. It's 46.7.

Speaker 3 Again, money usually takes you longer to make it. That makes sense.
This is the south side of the island?

Speaker 3 The East Hampton villages. East Hampton itself is just kind of the end of the island there.

Speaker 3 59%

Speaker 3 married. Wow.
So all these stats, it's so rich, basically.

Speaker 3 Very few people are single with children. It's too expensive to get a divorce here.
Yeah. It's just too expensive.
It costs you half of it.

Speaker 3 Half of what I had when I got divorced wasn't a lot. No, this is like half.
They're like, look, we're just going to stay. The house is pretty big.
You take that side. I'll take this side.

Speaker 3 We're living in a 6,000-square-foot house.

Speaker 3 We don't need to get a divorce. Half of that fortune is five times what one person dreams of making.

Speaker 3 yeah exactly uh race in this town 73.7 percent white 2.5 percent black 1.9 percent asian 20.9 percent hispanic uh the religion here 72.6 percent religious

Speaker 3 yeah i guess if you had millions of dollars you'd believe in there must be a god

Speaker 3 they're providing for me i'm being provided for and a whopping 60 percent of the people here are catholic is that right as we know catholics are the baptists

Speaker 3 of the north there we go here. Average unemployment rate here.

Speaker 3 Median household income here is 125,861. They're doing great.
They're doing great. But that's not even, that's not like the summertime residents that make the millions and millions.

Speaker 3 That's the people that live here. Cost of living, though, is tough.
That's the problem. Cost of living everywhere in the country is at 100.
That's average. Here, it's 147.
Golly.

Speaker 3 The housing is, this is out of 100 now. 100 is average.
623.

Speaker 3 Median home cost here, $1,237,400. Oh, dear Lord.
And I think that's actually low when we do this because, you know what? We've convinced you, damn it. You've done well in life.

Speaker 3 Your hedge fund is really

Speaker 3 cooking and blossoming. We have for you the East Hampton, New York Real Estate Report.

Speaker 3 Average two-bedroom rental here, you'd need some roommates, $2,820. No golly, which is like Manhattan prices.
$3,000 a month. Here is a one-bedroom, one bath,

Speaker 3 360 square feet.

Speaker 3 It's a room. It's a big room.

Speaker 3 It's a condo, a very tiny condo, sort of near the water, but really tiny. $595,000 for that.
Wow. 360 square feet.
I guess that's just a getaway for somebody?

Speaker 3 No, no, that's for someone who works there. Nobody who has money would go stay in this hole.

Speaker 3 It's literally a fucking depressing room.

Speaker 3 It looks like one of those places where

Speaker 3 if you're in a foreign country, but you're like a dignitary or something, but you get arrested, they don't put you in jail. They put you in like an office room.

Speaker 3 Like that's what the, that's what it feels like. Like, I'm not allowed to leave, but it's not like prison.
You know,

Speaker 3 there's a real bed and a TV, but I can't. I think the 1530 seems big enough to dress it up and make it, you know what I mean, with a bathroom and a small kitchen in that.
That's tiny.

Speaker 3 Make it a little like a cabin, I guess. That is rough.
Here's a two-bedroom, one-bath, 665 square foot. Twice.
Little tiny house.

Speaker 3 Two times that other one. Nice inside, but little tiny house, and it's like among mansions.

Speaker 3 Someone had a little tiny property that never sold it.

Speaker 3 $1.3 million. For

Speaker 3 665 square feet. Built in 1940, this house was, back when they were built in cottages.
So it's an original. Then finally, eight-bedroom, 12-bath, t-ball for each and every B-hole.

Speaker 3 Invite some B-hole friends over. 13,176 square feet.
Wow.

Speaker 3 On 3.6 acres directly on the water. Three acres of water.
3.6 acres directly on the water, private beachfront, gorgeous, insane. $25,000.
$84,900,000. $84 million.

Speaker 3 Billionaire housing, that is. That is, I have

Speaker 3 $300 fucking billion dollars. I'm going to buy that.
That's crazy. That's insane.
That's absolute insanity. Think about that.
I can't wrap my head around it. I can't either.
$84,900,000. Holy shit.

Speaker 3 It feels like you should be able to buy a basketball team for that much, right? You can't anymore, but still.

Speaker 3 But the guy that owns that probably owns a basketball team also. You'd have to.
That's who lives here, people like that. I mean, who the hell can buy $85 million for a house?

Speaker 3 It's crazy. I can't even rap.
I can't. That's like the gross domestic product of Luxembourg.
It's just your house. That's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 That's a fascinating thought.

Speaker 3 Things to do here. Okay.
We have the, first of all, the Film Festival.

Speaker 3 They have a East Hampton Film Festival, the Hamptons International Film Festival. I'm tired of going to Tribeca.
They're like, I'm tired of this. It's a two-hour drive.
We're out here. Entertain us.

Speaker 3 It's held over five days in mid-October. So maybe they hold it to try to get some of the people to come back for October a little bit, maybe for the business there.

Speaker 3 They have kind of stuff like that. They also have the Tuesdays at Main Beach music series.

Speaker 3 So every Tuesday you show up at this beach and they have a different band. In the summer.
They have a different band. Yeah, this is all summer long.

Speaker 3 We have, let's see, starting in, what is this? Oh, yeah, starting. They're getting good acts.
Oh, no, they're not. No? Well, maybe they.
I don't know any of these acts.

Speaker 3 Jetty Koon. Nope.
K-O-O-N

Speaker 3 with Hot Lava. Yeah.
No. No.
Lynn Blue Band? Nope. How about the Conga cartel? There's a problem.
These people have so much money. Why are they hiring this? I don't know why they don't.

Speaker 3 I mean, I'm sure we know Ludacris is available. He's a, if you're having a county fair, even Nellie, you can get Nelly in there.

Speaker 3 Sarah Conway. No.

Speaker 3 Maybe Conway Twitty's. Jimmy Conway's kid.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 Loan sharks. Not like they're loaning you money, but L-O-N-E.

Speaker 3 Loan Shark Set. Plural?

Speaker 3 Plural loan.

Speaker 3 Megan makes that.

Speaker 3 Our new gang is called the Lone Wolves.

Speaker 3 That's what it is. We're getting the jackets, man.

Speaker 3 Lone Wolves, baby. That was the joke in Airheads that they were the Lone Rangers.
The Lone Rangers. You knew that.
That's the point. That's impossible.
That's the best thing ever.

Speaker 3 Four Track. Okay.
Maybe they're just very old. Is there four of them? And that's what they use.
Maybe. Nancy Atlas.
Okay. Nope.

Speaker 3 Holiday Ramblers. I can't fucking believe this.
This is crazy. The Holiday Ramblers.
Hello, Brooklyn, which is a Beastie Boy song.

Speaker 3 Who Do Loungers?

Speaker 3 Who Do?

Speaker 3 H-O-O-D-O-O. Who do.
Who Do Loungers? Who do Loungers? Okay. And then an obvious Save by the Bell reference also.
The Bayside Tigers. Is that right? Which is Save by the Bell High School.

Speaker 3 That's hysterical. I like that one.
I've listened to that. That's pretty funny.

Speaker 3 Reeb, R-E-E-B, which is, I think, like Reba McIntyre's new rap

Speaker 3 act she's trying to put together. Just Reeb.
Yeah. Shorten it up.

Speaker 3 The kids watch.

Speaker 3 The attention spans.

Speaker 3 The attention spans are low. Reba McIntyre.
It's too much.

Speaker 3 Jeebee. Reeb.

Speaker 3 The Inner Roots will be there. Oh.

Speaker 3 You heard of them? Nope. Nope.
Okay. He said, oh, I was like, yeah, maybe.
We're getting close to bands.

Speaker 3 Dirty Organic

Speaker 3 and the Rum Punch Mafia.

Speaker 3 I seriously can't believe this. So they have the Rum Punch Mafia and the Conga Cartel.
They should put them together. They'd fight probably.

Speaker 3 Then the Cherry Bombs also will be there.

Speaker 3 Some punk rock or something. I guess.
Someone called Winston Irie, which I assume is a reggae act.

Speaker 3 That's all I can think. And Rubik's with an X, Cube with a K.
No. Cool, man.
Stop. All caps.
That's got to be techno. That sounds like electronic shit, definitely.
I'm so mad.

Speaker 3 And then Hot Lava will be there.

Speaker 3 They opened the show. Oh, yeah.
Hot Lava's there. That's right.
They're going to to do both.

Speaker 3 Crime rate here, what we're interested in. I'm inside myself.
That's all summer. That's all summer long.
Dude.

Speaker 3 But that's probably for like local beach trash.

Speaker 3 Rich people aren't going down to mingle.

Speaker 3 No. Yeah.
So this is like.

Speaker 3 We're making Billy Joel play tonight. If that shit's hard.
Forcing him. Yeah.
I'm knocking on his door. Get out of here.
He's probably playing at some party somewhere anyway and go to the bottom.

Speaker 3 Reeb's annoying me, Billy. Get out of here.
Get out of here. Crime rate in this town, what we are interested in.
And it should be non-existent in this town, really.

Speaker 3 Property crime is about one-third under the national average. Still too high.
There's a lot of shit to steal, though. That's one thing.
Violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and of course, assault.

Speaker 3 The Mount Rushmore of crime is less than half the national average, as it should be

Speaker 3 there. So, that said, let's talk about some murder here because this is wild stuff.
Okay, let's start out with a man. Let's talk about a man here.
Robert Theodore. I know.
I know what you're thinking.

Speaker 3 Not Bundy. No.
No.

Speaker 3 You guys saw Jimmy's face. He's like, oh, shit.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Robert Theodore Ammon, A-M-M-O-N.

Speaker 3 Goes by Ted. Oh, yeah.
Why not? If you're Robert Theodore, you're Ted. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Almost a similar age, too. He's born August 30th, 1949.

Speaker 3 So similar. I think Bundy's born 44.
Was he that? Was he that? I want to say. Was he older than? I want to say 44, 45.
He was born, something like that. So same area, same generation.

Speaker 3 His parents are Robert, not senior. They have different middle names.
And Betty Lee is his mom. Nice.
He's got a sister named Sandy with an I.

Speaker 3 Yeah. That's important.
Sandy. Sandy.

Speaker 3 Sandy.

Speaker 3 His dad was

Speaker 3 a sergeant in the U.S. Army during World War II.
Oh. So he was born to

Speaker 3 dad was in the war type shit. Well, at least also dad's seen some shit.
So

Speaker 3 dad could be usually those guys are tough. Dad gets some grace around here.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Dad has a couple drinks when he comes home and might smack somebody once in a while, but he had to fight Hitler, so we let it go. So we let him have the big piece of chicken.
We let him go.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he gets exactly. He gets the old Chris Rock joke.
And the last piece of pizza. He gets everything.
That's all. You got to give it to Dad.

Speaker 3 Now, Ted is born at the Allegheny General Hospital on the north side of Pittsburgh. Oh.
That's right. His dad was a steel executive,

Speaker 3 but not a hugely back then a steel executive, unless you were like one of the top few guys didn't make the kind of money that executives make now.

Speaker 3 Executives used to make five times what the average worker made. Now it's 7,000 times.

Speaker 3 He's doing fine, but he's not Carnegie. No, no, no, no.
He's still blue collar. He's still blue collar.
I think he worked his way up to this, to like a higher job in there.

Speaker 3 Now, Ted, when he's in the eighth grade, his father is transferred to East Aurora, New York to run a whole steel plant. Now, East Aurora is just outside Buffalo.
So that's cold.

Speaker 3 Going from Pittsburgh to Buffalo.

Speaker 3 Snow to more snow.

Speaker 3 Not a far move. It's really not.

Speaker 3 So Ted's father wanted him to follow in his footsteps, get a job in the steel industry at one of these companies and work his way up like he did, which is fine at that time.

Speaker 3 But if Ted chose to do that, it would all fall apart for him because by the mid-70s, the steel industry was falling apart and nothing nowadays

Speaker 3 find a job in the steel industry in America. It's not

Speaker 3 real easy to do. So that's kind of,

Speaker 3 he's lucky, Ted, that Ted wasn't interested in that because he would have found nothing but pain. Is there a lot of steel being produced anymore? Not like there used to be.
No, no.

Speaker 3 Otherwise, it would have just been Allentown, basically. The Allen, Billy Joel again, Allentown song is what ended up happening to all that shit, to coal and steel and everything.

Speaker 3 So anyway, that's what he wanted. Ted, though, wanted to do something else.

Speaker 3 He wanted to, he had ambitions. He wanted to make money.

Speaker 3 He wanted to make money. And

Speaker 3 the blue-collar thoughts aren't for make lots of money. It's go get yourself a good living.

Speaker 3 Look, I have a house, we have two cars, you'll never starve, I'll be able to retire, that's what you need to do to yourself.

Speaker 3 And that's especially that generation of the Depression and World War II and all that. They really thought like that.

Speaker 3 And the kids that came up after that, the baby boomers, were like, I'm going to make money. Yeah.
They had a different thought.

Speaker 3 So Ted would come home from school, do his homework, eat dinner every night at 6:30 exactly on the dot. Dinner had to be ready.

Speaker 3 His father coached his little league team,

Speaker 3 which is interesting. Tall's a Ted's a tall guy.
It's going to turn out to be 6'4. Oh, yeah.
Kind of a muscular,

Speaker 3 lean but muscular 6'4. He's a swimmer

Speaker 3 on the swimming team, and he plays lots of sports.

Speaker 3 So, you know, he's doing well.

Speaker 3 Now, they would go, their family during the summer,

Speaker 3 there was a family-owned New Jersey shore house, so they go to the New Jersey shore for a while. They'd also go to Ames, Iowa,

Speaker 3 where they had family, and they would spend a couple weeks on their grandparents' farm sitting in the country. So Ted had a very much leave it to beaver kind of a life.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 You know, dad came home with a tie

Speaker 3 at five o'clock and mom had the house tidy and very black and white, very leave it to beaver type of thing. I think he's about beaver's age, too.
Out, yeah.

Speaker 3 In high school, he's on the football team and the swimming team. He's a real popular guy, got tons of pretty girlfriends.

Speaker 3 He's a charismatic, successful, tall, athletic guy. What else is that? I mean,

Speaker 3 you're going to get some trim in high school

Speaker 3 if you're like that.

Speaker 3 Sometimes that all falls apart for people later on, but Ted's ambitious.

Speaker 3 Now, Ted liked to work on things.

Speaker 3 He's their house's handyman. Man's a man.
He knows what to do. He likes to figure out how things work.
He's real smart.

Speaker 3 Likes to take things apart, put it back together, figure out how to repair them. Well, the take-apart's easy.

Speaker 3 Oh, that's the easy part. Yeah, anybody on a quarter gram of meth can do that.
Putting it back together is the hard part.

Speaker 3 So, yeah, his mother and father were very proud of him.

Speaker 3 They said he would take a lot of pride in doing things without being told. Oh.
So, you know, they wouldn't have to tell Ted to do things. He'd just do things.
Son of a bitch. Yeah.
Of course, Ted.

Speaker 3 By the way, there's some stuff from a book here and some stuff from a very good investigative article also. So I'll give the...
the names and titles and authors and all that later on too.

Speaker 3 Give them their due.

Speaker 3 So he didn't even like instruction manuals, Ted. What? He didn't want to do it.
He said, well, that's cheating.

Speaker 3 No. That's cheating.
You got to figure it out yourself. That's how you put it together, right? He said, that's more fun to learn it on your own.
If I don't read those, that's how I return shit.

Speaker 3 I can't put shit together with instructions.

Speaker 3 You give me an IKEA desk and the instructions six hours later, I'm taking it apart because I put it together backwards, and I don't know what I'm doing. I can't put shit together.
Well, no, no, no.

Speaker 3 The top is upside down. Oh, I'm so bad.
It took me like 12 hours to put a desk together one day, and I was like, this is ridiculous.

Speaker 3 I bought two cabins from Wayfair, and those instructions are just as

Speaker 3 they're ridiculous. I built it, and I'm like, it's upside down.
And then all you have to do is flip it off. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I'm like, that's not right.

Speaker 3 Okay, that's. It doesn't even look like the fiction.
That certainly isn't Wayfair's fault.

Speaker 3 I think

Speaker 3 that is your fault. That's a problem.
It's upside down. That's definitely a problem.

Speaker 3 Jesus. But it's not.
I couldn't recognize why there was a problem. And there's the problem.
How many beers into the night were you?

Speaker 3 Please tell me. This is 11 a.m.
No alcohol. This is just stupid me going,

Speaker 3 why is it back? Oh, no.

Speaker 3 Okay. I was going to, I've given you all the outs I can.
Blame alcohol? Nope. Anything else?

Speaker 3 Stupidity.

Speaker 3 Just an absolute moron. That's fair.
That's fair.

Speaker 3 Jesus Christ. He liked doing shit that he thought people thought was impossible a lot.

Speaker 3 And it is impossible. Put it together without him.
Took it as a challenge.

Speaker 3 He was chosen to be the anchor man of the swim team. So he's

Speaker 3 good at that. He ends up going to Bucknell University.
Where's Bucknell? I'm not sure. I think it's in Pennsylvania or New Jersey.
I can't remember.

Speaker 3 But I know every once in a while they make the basketball tournament and don't do very well, but they make it. I think they're a smart school.

Speaker 3 10 majors in economics at Bucknell University, which is nothing like what his dad said to do. Go get an entry-level job and work your way up.
He joined the Phi Gamma Delta frat. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Starting in his sophomore year. He's playing on the varsity lacrosse team.
Okay. Knee-deep.
Doing in college Poon. Yeah, he is.
Doing great. La Crosse, too.
La Crosse. Yeah.
He's majestic.

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Speaker 3 Then once he graduates, this is wild. He doesn't go to law school, okay? No.
No law school, but yet passes both the bar exam in the United States and in England. And England.

Speaker 3 Without going to law school. I mean, the bar, it

Speaker 3 sets precedent. People

Speaker 3 go to law school, have to take it two, three times. Yeah.

Speaker 3 He didn't go to law school and just pass these tests. Wow.

Speaker 3 I've heard of people doing that before, but you got to be pretty smart. You've got to know what you're talking about and be learned.
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 3 He works at a couple law firms, kind of restless there. He marries a woman.
He finds a woman named Randy Day. So you can get a law license without going to school?

Speaker 3 Yeah, as long as you can pass the bar. That's all it is.
Just pass the bar. Yeah, you pass the bar.
I mean, it's going to be hard to get hired somewhere if they go, where'd you go to law school?

Speaker 3 And you go, I didn't. I just read a book.
You just crushed ass in this fucking

Speaker 3 test was stupid. But if you're really smart, they might take that as, you know, you're like a Will Hunting type of deal and they might

Speaker 3 want you. So Randy with two E's, Randy Day,

Speaker 3 they're married for about nine years from the early 70s to about 1980, 81-ish. And then they break up.

Speaker 3 Pretty amicable.

Speaker 3 They both got married pretty young in their early 20s and grew apart. They didn't have any kids.
Oh. If you don't have any kids, a divorce is easy.
So easy.

Speaker 3 Especially if you don't have any kids and you don't have like tons of assets to break up. You just go, so I get my shit.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Can I have the coffee table? I guess. Yeah, you get the TV.

Speaker 3 That's it. You break up.
It's pretty great if you can do it amicably. That's the thing.
With no kids, it helps because that's where the acrimony comes in.

Speaker 3 Well, there's that, and then the one's still in love and the other one's clearly not. If you have that, these two just grew apart.
It's great. They were like, yeah, this isn't working, right?

Speaker 3 So in 1979, he's 30, he joins the firm of Kohlberg, Kravis, Roberts. Sounds like it.

Speaker 3 Yes. And this is where they're going to do.
He's doing a bunch of investment stuff now. He's going to get into like investment banking,

Speaker 3 which is where the money is. Is it? That's where everyone in the Hamptons is.
Investment bankers, hedge fund managers, all those guys, all that money shit that I can't figure out. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I don't know what one is, but I've heard hedge funds are amazing.

Speaker 3 I don't know. I don't think we're rich enough to know what that is.
I don't think we have nearly enough money to know what a hedge fund is or to know how it works, even more.

Speaker 3 It just sounds like somebody that manages it gets all the money. No shit.
So he's a big, tall, successful, handsome guy making good money at this point.

Speaker 3 1983, he becomes one of the youngest partners at Kohlberg, Kravis, Roberts, and Company in their history

Speaker 3 and was involved in a RJR Nabisco buyout. He was part of the negotiations of a $38 billion

Speaker 3 buyout merger type situation. So huge deal.

Speaker 3 That's one of those, if you make a big deal like that, everyone in that industry knows who you are. They know your name.
They see it in the magazines. And you just made a giant pile of cash.
Yep.

Speaker 3 So he's made a big pile of cash. He's a partner.

Speaker 3 He is looking for a suitably. Where do I live? That's the thing.
A suitably, up to his standards apartment in Manhattan at this point.

Speaker 3 oh get a 300 square foot joint on the island best i got a i know a place for you no he's going to move down in uh the village it's still a shooting gallery down there he's still going to go move down there really wants to live with junkies in a hovel uh no he's looking for a real nice midtown all right around the park type of beautiful rich guy joint nice so uh he sets up a call with a real estate agent to go look at some stuff here.

Speaker 3 Real estate agent is Generosa Joe Marie Legay Rand.

Speaker 3 That's her name. That's a woman's name.
That's a woman's Generosa. Wow.
G-E-N-E-R-O-S-A. Generosa.
You said several other words. This Joe Mary is her middle name.
Legay, which is a family name.

Speaker 3 And then Rand is also part of her name. So that's part of her name.
Those are two family names at the end. She's born March 22nd, 1956.
About seven years younger than our guy Ted here.

Speaker 3 So they made the appointment for the early evening hour, like right after work, to look at an apartment in the low 90s, not in terms of price, in terms of street location,

Speaker 3 on the east side of Manhattan. So Upper East Side, he's looking at right now.
Right by the park. Stayed.
No, that's a little high. Up above the park.

Speaker 3 The park's still there. The park ends 110th or whatever.
Was it 110th? Before that, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 It's

Speaker 3 Upper East Side, kind of old farty money type of place, but that's where nice stuff is, too. Yeah.
So he didn't show up for the appointment. He's busy and he forgets shit, basically.

Speaker 3 So the next morning, he got a call at his office from the real estate agent, Jenner Rosa, and she's pissed off. Yeah.
She said, listen, this is bullshit. Yeah.
Number one,

Speaker 3 don't waste my time. Yeah.
I'm a busy person. Number two, it's rude to do that.
Number three, you left me standing outside after dark

Speaker 3 in New York City in 1983, which is not safe to do for a single attractive woman, too. She's like a blonde, attractive 27-year-old or something.
So she was pissed.

Speaker 3 She's like, this is ridiculous.

Speaker 3 So he heard all this and he's getting lit up on the phone by some lady he's never met before. Never met her, never saw her before.
But he said, you want to go out on a date with me?

Speaker 3 I'm in love with you. He's I like your attitude.
He liked it. He said, you didn't just say, hey, you know, you want to come.
He said, hey, fuck. She said, fuck you.
By the way.

Speaker 3 Can you leave these messages on my phone for the rest of my life, please? I like getting my balls broken. But someone she didn't take the shit.
And he said, I like that.

Speaker 3 And he said, let me take you out to apologize.

Speaker 3 let me take you out on a date to apologize like i said he never saw her before so he has no idea what she even looks like and then he meets her and she's slim and blonde and a little younger than him and uh smoke show yeah he's like shit boy did i make the right choice great yeah she's that's why she's got attitude i guess he figured anyone with that attitude must be hot

Speaker 3 he's like i'm not hot enough to have that attitude i don't know who is she must be really really confident in herself so she told him uh you know number one she's very opinionated yeah very passionate person.

Speaker 3 She told him that this rental agent shit that I'm doing here, real estate stuff, this is just my day job. Yeah.
I'm an artist. Oh.
That's how it really is. I'm really an artist.

Speaker 3 But that doesn't pay fucking bills out there.

Speaker 3 Obviously. So

Speaker 3 now a little bit about Generosa. Let's tell her a little of her story here because she's got some backstory to her, boy.
She is not from a stable environment like Ted is. Ted's from a very stable,

Speaker 3 leave it to beaver. He is.
I mean, think about that. So

Speaker 3 now she

Speaker 3 said that her and her older sister were raised by their single mother for a while anyway, we'll talk about, who is a church secretary named Marie-Therese Legay.

Speaker 3 That's where the Legay part comes in, and Rand will be her husband. Now, she says she was raised in Laguna Beach, California, but that's also kind of at different times.

Speaker 3 When she was 10, her mother died of brain cancer. Dang.

Speaker 3 I think she had breast cancer and brain cancer. Now, I guess when she was going through her mother's photo albums, she came upon a photograph of a blonde sailor.
Oh. Not an American sailor.
What?

Speaker 3 From somewhere else.

Speaker 3 On the back of the picture was one word written. My love.
Gennaroso. Where do I do that? I have no idea.
That's two words.

Speaker 3 And I think I was going to tell you in the next breath what it was, anyway. I assumed it was going to be like her dad.
Wait. Gennaroso.
Yes, if you just waited a second, you'd have got that.

Speaker 3 I wouldn't have even put that together no generoso is the man's name oh which is also her name yeah so she goes wait a second yeah how the fuck do we have the same name and her older sister said

Speaker 3 okay didn't want to tell you this but our mom banged a guy in italy guy in italy named generoso she realized she was pregnant and decided to keep the baby anyway. Wow.
So that's your

Speaker 3 quickie Italian sailor affair

Speaker 3 who she named after the man. Amazing.
Amazing. Yeah.
So, yeah, apparently he was in town at her Long Beach apartment. They had a very passionate, week-long affair.
Wow.

Speaker 3 So she went to see him off at the dock and, you know, all of this. And he had the photo of him in the uniform and gave her an address the next month.
She's pregnant.

Speaker 3 She wrote him. He never answered.
Wrote her again.

Speaker 3 Wrote him over and over again. Never received an answer from him.
So either he

Speaker 3 drowned in the Italian Navy, or he did not know. He's just like,

Speaker 3 I'm going to not talk to this lady.

Speaker 3 Can they enforce the child support from Long Beach? No, no. All right.
Hey, I see you. Crumple, crumple, and in the garbage.
Yeah, there we go. All right.

Speaker 3 Ah, that's so good. Yeah, you got her.

Speaker 3 He doesn't give a fuck. Poor lady.

Speaker 3 Singing time to say goodbye to him.

Speaker 3 So,

Speaker 3 yeah, so there she was. Generosa was born.
Yeah. And she gave, she was married,

Speaker 3 her mom. Oh.
So she gave the baby her husband's last name, Rand, because it was just easier, basically. Wow.
Because he's a married woman and, you know, she doesn't live with her husband.

Speaker 3 But it looks better if it looks like her husband knocked her up, especially in the 50s. Sure.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 She started raising the daughter, but she's a big hard partier. And because she already had three kids when she was banging Gennaroso in the apartment.
Phenomenal.

Speaker 3 So the family didn't use Generosa's first name,

Speaker 3 which is interesting. They always called her Joe.
Her middle name is Joe Mary, one word, J-O-Mary. Wow.
And they just called her Joe.

Speaker 3 Okay. Her whole family.
But then everyone else calls her Gennarosa later on.

Speaker 3 So her and her sister become very close, and they have to be close because their mother would go off for days at a time and just leave them alone.

Speaker 3 So they had to cuddle up and figure it out for themselves.

Speaker 3 So, but then when she ends up dying, she says that, you know, she felt abandoned by her mother. Yeah.
Not only because she died, but because she was abandoning all the way up until dying.

Speaker 3 She believed that her mother had resented her from birth because she was illegitimate and kind of put a cloud over everything.

Speaker 3 She had to give her a different last name and lie about where she came from and all that.

Speaker 3 So she always thought her mother didn't want her and also didn't protect her. And Gennarosa said, I'm not going to to be like that.

Speaker 3 I'm not going to be some fucking bum lady who's looking for some guy to take care of her. I am going to make money.
I'm going to do, I'm going to be a somebody. I'm going to be a somebody.

Speaker 3 Good for her. So, yeah.
It's amazing to get that life lesson out of that. And if I have kids, I'm not going to be a shitty mother, she said.
Imagine living protect my kids.

Speaker 3 Imagine living a very repressed life and then dying of all those cancers together. At least that lady seems like she lived it up for a minute.

Speaker 3 I was going to say, I don't think she lived a repressed life. No, no, no, that's what I mean.

Speaker 3 Good for her. Yeah, mom lived to the fullest.
She had to, and she didn't even know she had to. No, she did.
Otherwise,

Speaker 3 she decided basically later on that her mother's death was actually a good thing. Yeah.

Speaker 3 She said later.

Speaker 3 She would tell people later on that it was the best thing that ever happened to her, her mother dying, which is insanely weird. I mean, being

Speaker 3 content with an enclosure is fine, but don't go with that.

Speaker 3 She said it actually, quote, was the answer to her prayers.

Speaker 3 Oh my God. She didn't want to be part of that.
Now,

Speaker 3 within a while after this, her uncle and his new wife

Speaker 3 ends up taking them in. She's about 10 years old.

Speaker 3 They go to live with the uncle and aunt.

Speaker 3 I guess the uncle, their aunt was a lawyer. The uncle is the relation.
The aunt is just married to the uncle here.

Speaker 3 This is to go in Emerald Bay, which is a community on the coast just north of Laguna Beach. Nice.
And we were just there for the show, the Irvine Emperor. That's a really nice area.
Awesome.

Speaker 3 Because we stayed in Laguna Beach. It was gorgeous.
Awesome. So really nice houses.
It's beautiful. The views of the Pacific Ocean.
They're crazy.

Speaker 3 Problem is, during this, and we don't know what the truth or whatever, but apparently

Speaker 3 the uncle has started. Uncle, the aunt, both of them, there was molestation going on in this house, like repeated molestation going on here,

Speaker 3 which is not great.

Speaker 3 At the same time, after a little while, they end up being being in a foster home after that, which makes it better than being molested. So we're like, hmm, oh, that's a fascinating development.

Speaker 3 Yeah, her and her sister, because there's four kids, but her and her sister are the ones of this, around the same age. So they get shipped around together.
Her and her sister Dolly.

Speaker 3 By the time she was 17, she told her friend,

Speaker 3 well,

Speaker 3 when she's 17, she'll later tell a friend that her older sister was killed by a hit-and-run driver. Is that right? That's what she'll say.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 And she thought, she said her sister was her only protection against an abusive home life. She said her sister was older and was a little more, would protect her.

Speaker 3 So she ends up enrolling in college, actually. She goes to the University of California at Irvine

Speaker 3 and just basically doesn't talk to the adopted family anymore where there may or may not have been molestation.

Speaker 3 She graduated in 1981 from college and came to New York all by herself and found work as a real estate apartment agent. So that's what she was doing.
Getting molested near the beach.

Speaker 3 That'll make you hate the fucking beach.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I guess so. Move in a minute.
She's polar opposite. Yeah, the smell of saltwater is going to really give you bad fucking vibes going on.

Speaker 3 So this is starting out on the low part of the ladder here to be a rental agent in New York. You want to be selling big apartments.
That's where the money is. So anyway, that's who Ted has found.

Speaker 3 Unbelievable. Generose, and he likes her.
So he likes her so much that in February of 1986, they get married. That? Well, yeah.
He's ready to go three years.

Speaker 3 Three years. It's not bad.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, 83 they met.
They lived on Fifth Avenue at 75th Street, which is

Speaker 3 park right on the park. That's fucking

Speaker 3 that's beautiful. I mean, that's that's the spot you want to live in if you live in New York, man.

Speaker 3 Then they bought a townhouse on East 92nd Street between Fifth and Madison Avenues as well. Eat your heart out, mom.
Yeah, Upper East Side.

Speaker 3 That is nice shit. Yeah.
So that's within the park.

Speaker 3 The 90s is still the park and all that shit. So it's not bad at all.

Speaker 3 Ted starts making huge money. That's what he's doing this whole time in the 80s.
All this go-go, yuppie 80s investment banking bullshit. He is, I mean, he

Speaker 3 jumped on a train that was moving. He was like, where are we going? To fucking Moneyville.
Oh, shit. Really? You didn't even know it was going there.

Speaker 3 There's no way to know that, but that's where he is. Great.
That's where I wanted him to go. Great.
Oh, Moneytown? Perfect.

Speaker 3 So,

Speaker 3 and he was very successful at KKR, the company, going from deal to deal and crushing shit.

Speaker 3 One of his colleagues said about Ted, he has 700 ideas at a time, 697 of which are completely ridiculous and three of which are totally brilliant that no one thought of yet, which is, that's kind of how people are.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Successful people.
They said that he seemed...

Speaker 3 It wasn't even the money that was the end game. He had a ton of money and was doing great.
So at this point, it was the way you put a deal together is what he was into.

Speaker 3 He was into that. He's into the nuts and bolts and details of all that kind of shit.
And then at the end, you get a big fat paycheck, too. It's pretty nice.
It's pretty cool.

Speaker 3 They said that even when he became the company's point man for R.J. Reynolds after the mother of all, what is this? Oh,

Speaker 3 the mergers here after the RJR and Abisco takeover. It was those two things together.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he became the point man for that. That's when he really made all the partners millions of dollars, and they love him.
When he said RJR a minute ago, I was like, I know what that big company is.

Speaker 3 I know that. What is that? R.J.
Reynolds. R.J.
Reynolds. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Now, Generosa,

Speaker 3 she doesn't have to show apartments anymore. No.
So she is into art now. Yeah.

Speaker 3 She is going to be the Upper East Side art

Speaker 3 lady, basically. I'm going to make art.
I'm going to get into the art community. Okay.
And she's going to be a cool New York art lady. That's what she wants to be at this point.

Speaker 3 So she created wall sculptures from

Speaker 3 string and paper and shit she made to put up in her heart in the house. And she would fill the walls of their townhouse there.

Speaker 3 The problem is, if you're an artist, the walls of your townhouse is not where you want your work to be exhibited. No, you want it in a fucking place.

Speaker 3 You want it in a gallery, and no gallery will exhibit her work. Why not? Because it's not very good.
It's shit. I would think.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 If you're a real rich lady with connections and you're making art and nobody will put it up, it's because it's really bad.

Speaker 3 It's bad. Because otherwise, if they would put it up, she'd probably make donations and everything else.

Speaker 3 One of her friends said she never did get her art shown anywhere. Oh, no.
No, but still,

Speaker 3 Ted buys her a huge fucking loft in Soho. Now, back then, a huge loft in Soho was worth nothing.

Speaker 3 It was worth nothing. Nowadays, that's millions and millions of dollars.
But back then, that was just a fucking junky neighborhood by the water that nobody was terrifying after dark. That's all.

Speaker 3 So this was on West Broadway in Soho for an art studio. So she has this giant art loft.
She just puts strings together. Yeah.

Speaker 3 This is back in the day where that's where people were squatting, in old Soho lofts and old factories and shit, and turning them into art lofts and having parties and all famous things in these abandoned buildings.

Speaker 3 People would squat and have big art things. But she actually, you know, is paying for it.

Speaker 3 One of her friends said she would play the role of the downtrodden artist. But she was in this glorious double loft loft with windows all along the side.
She's in like Tom Hanks' place,

Speaker 3 bitching.

Speaker 3 Yeah. She's got a pinball machine and a train.
Crazy. What the fuck, man? You got a basketball hoop up.
It's 10 feet, too. This is wild.

Speaker 3 Her friend said it was like Marie Antoinette with her sheep.

Speaker 3 Okay. Now, she would mingle with the other artists, people that were very cool and thought it was cool in the art world because that's what she wanted to be.
Yeah. She wanted to be cool.
Sure.

Speaker 3 That's it. And then she would invite like these actual real like dirty art people from down in the village and down in Soho that actually do art and are in the community.

Speaker 3 She'd invite them up to the Upper East Side townhouse for dinner. Yeah.
You know, which is a very different

Speaker 3 clash of environments. Fish hour water.
Yeah, but she wanted to impress them. But at the same time, that's not what impresses them.
No, it's talent for art. That's what impresses them.

Speaker 3 Or just a coolness or a weirdness or a quirkiness. That's that New York art world's weird back then.
And even like the

Speaker 3 even like Studio 54, which wasn't the art world,

Speaker 3 they liked weird people. If you came up dressed like a freak with all, they'd let you right in.
That's correct. They love that shit.
You know what I mean? Now dressed like a bird just went in. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I'm in a suit and I can't get in. No.
This 85-year-old lady just showed up. Let her in.
You know what I mean? Weird things like that they like. They like weird shit.

Speaker 3 Shit, you can just buy isn't cool.

Speaker 3 That's why it wasn't, you know, they didn't really kiss like investment bankers' asses in Studio 54. They kissed stars' asses, people that had talent and shit like that.
Shit, you can't buy.

Speaker 3 shit you can't buy can't buy that uh her friend said on the one hand she wanted to be part of this artistic group but she also wanted it known that she was the wife of a rich guy and could pull the strings yeah can't have it both ways babe that's the problem i made this art great it's terrible yeah well my husband's rich can you put it in your gallery no absolutely not meanwhile everybody else is like if i don't sell this painting i won't be able to eat right so It's different.

Speaker 3 They're doing this to get rich. They're already rich.
Oh, they're doing it because they love art.

Speaker 3 And then they also, you know, that's their thing. And also they want to be cool.
They like, they want to be popular. They want to be costly.

Speaker 3 They want to get a fucking weird haircut and have everybody kiss their ass while they smoke cigarettes. That's all they want.
They are wearing triangle glasses. That's it.
I'm convinced.

Speaker 3 I've never met an artist who that's not their end goal.

Speaker 3 Just to sit, look weird and have people say how wonderful and quirky they are. That's what I feel like.
And that's because we have no artistic talent. Yeah, because I can't draw shit.

Speaker 3 Can't draw shit, can't play a lick of music. Comedy is not art.
Stop saying comedy is not. It's not.
Number one, if it was art, you'd stop bitching about it. So it's definitely not art.

Speaker 3 And number two, it's more like a comedian is more like being a chef, I think. There's art to it.
You have to create recipes, things like that.

Speaker 3 But in the end, you're a craftsman that's got to make something for the people that they like or they ain't coming back. Or they're not coming back, right? So in the end,

Speaker 3 you're kind of like a chef. There's things that

Speaker 3 people love a specific artist, and there's paintings that that person has painted. They're like, I don't like that one.

Speaker 3 Absolutely.

Speaker 3 That's kind of what it is.

Speaker 3 but the the vibe of an artist is also they'll still come back for this shit yeah yeah the vibe of an artist is what makes them popular and what makes things it's not just the work that's the thing it's the whole thing aesthetic the scarf so it's it's your scarf it's your

Speaker 3 how quirky are your glasses

Speaker 3 What kind of clove cigarettes are you smoking? And are you doing it through one of those holder things? Because they look pretty cool. And that hole in that hat is in the perfect spot.
Perfect spot.

Speaker 3 Tilted just to the left, just right. So this person person said, I always found it strange that for a couple who was their age and with their money, they had this need to create a group.

Speaker 3 It was as if they didn't have real friends. They were always saying, invite anyone you want over.

Speaker 3 So they were trying to be cool and trying to get into a click where it's like, buying their way in.

Speaker 3 You're just, just be yourselves. Go have fun and be rich people.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Also, Generosa gets a bit snippy with people. Uh-oh.
She gets a little upset.

Speaker 3 Friends say here that she seemed to get angry at the slightest provocation. Little bits.
Little bits. She's a definite Goldie Hawn and overboard situation here where that's how she acts.

Speaker 3 She's mad at everybody. Was this Beluga? Yeah.

Speaker 3 So they usually said anything, suspicion that someone was betraying her or rejecting her. Oh.
Her friends said the minute that she felt

Speaker 3 rejection, she was like a woman out of control. A fear arose in her.
It was almost like there was a trigger. Yes,

Speaker 3 she's got an

Speaker 3 band issue. Yes, exactly.
And if you, and now she's got that and she's got this giant ego of,

Speaker 3 I have money. I deserve these actions.

Speaker 3 You can't be mean to me because I can buy and sell you. It's like, that doesn't mean anything in social interactions.
And you didn't do that. No.

Speaker 3 She said she would, her friend said she would freak out.

Speaker 3 She said, quote, we've all been upset, but when she does it, physically, she's in your face with this kind of, I'm going to get you, and there's no talking to her about it.

Speaker 3 She would become, they would get couple friends. Yeah.
And as you know, being a couple, it's hard to find couple friends because you both have to get along. It's difficult.

Speaker 3 It's four people that got to get along. That's tough.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 these couple friends they would make,

Speaker 3 you know, Ted is an easy-going kind of guy, and they liked him and stuff, but then she would cut them off.

Speaker 3 Gennarosa would cut them off. They described it as feeling iced out, one couple said.

Speaker 3 They said that one friend said she provoked an outburst from Generosa when she declined Generosa's invitation to be a summer-long house guest at one of their houses. She had other shit to do.

Speaker 3 Yeah, come stay at our summer house. I can't.

Speaker 3 I got other stuff to do. Then get out of my life.
You piece of shit, traitorous, treacherous. I never want to see you again.
That's what it was. What?

Speaker 3 One friend that talked to her almost every day said suddenly the friendship was over. Every day they talked.
Wow. She said

Speaker 3 a year or so later, just after they'd stopped talking, she saw Gennarosa at a benefit and approached her to say hello. Just because she knows her.

Speaker 3 She said Gennarosa freaked out and said, get away from me. You get away from me.
She just chose something that she was mad at her for. And that's it, forever.
This lady didn't even know why. Yeah.

Speaker 3 She didn't understand it.

Speaker 3 They said that her friends would wonder, why the hell is Ted put up with this shit? Yeah, that's why. She must be much different to him.

Speaker 3 But then also people would say that she seemed manipulative and controlling with him, too.

Speaker 3 One said, I think because there was a vulnerability to her which he could see and that made him feel more secure.

Speaker 3 Now, Ted also described to his friend that living with her was like walking on eggshells

Speaker 3 trying to avoid the next explosion. So he's just trying to keep her happy.
Uh-oh. Which when someone constantly is bursting into flames, it's tough to keep putting them out.

Speaker 3 It helps if you have millions of dollars. Oh, that'll put out some flames in your life.
You can wear it.

Speaker 3 Hey, I look for a new fucking loft. And so, yeah, go buy that.
Go get whatever. Oh, yeah, a new car.
If that's what they're into, then you can kind of placate them with that, I guess.

Speaker 3 They would spend weekends in Bedford, New York, which is north of the city.

Speaker 3 You pass it when you go to Terrytown down there and stuff. It's very nice, very wealthy.
I spent about a week there in high school because one of my friends...

Speaker 3 went to a private school because he played hockey.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 he got a scholarship there. One of his friends from school, his parents went away for like two weeks, so we just all stayed at this kid's fucking mansion wow it was wild

Speaker 3 it was what it was the first time i've ever been to a house with more than one refrigerator and i was like this is the greatest you got food in both of those dude i was looking in the fridge and he goes there's another one in the basement i went huh what's down there and he goes oh there's a big ass fridge and it's full and me and my friend looked at each other we ran down to the basement and opened we were like oh my there's more food here than there is up there This is more food than I ever had in my house for fucking years.

Speaker 3 And we had food. I mean, but it was like, this is awesome.
It was the greatest thing I've had. Pool.
It It was so fucking cool. It was great.

Speaker 3 Couldn't even like they had rooms, or it wasn't even like anyone's bedroom. It was just a room.
It's like, this is amazing.

Speaker 3 No one sleeps in here. This is crazy.
This is warmed and cooled in the carpet.

Speaker 3 No one farts this up in the middle of the night. This is awesome, man.
You just climate control. No room for nothing.
It was crazy. We were just like, this is insane, man.

Speaker 3 So they would spend weekends there. It's outside the city where Gennarosa becomes a serious horse rider, winning some ribbons.
Oh, here we go. Now you found your talents.
You're good at this.

Speaker 3 She participates in shows all the way down in Florida.

Speaker 3 You know, Florida from the one episode. Dressage and shit.
Dressage capital of the world.

Speaker 3 By a point here in the late 80s, Ted and I guess together with Gennarosa are worth more than $50 million.

Speaker 3 Oh, my God. In the 80s? In late 80s.
Wow. Stacking.
Doing great. Doing great.

Speaker 3 They had a Fifth Avenue apartment. They buy a giant estate in England,

Speaker 3 like they're fucking Paul McCartney or something. It has a name.
What? They buy a named

Speaker 3 English estate in the countryside. It's like a fucking castle.
It's like one of the Downtown Abbey houses. It's ridiculous.
It's crazy.

Speaker 3 By the way, and he becomes, he starts really donating lots of money to charity.

Speaker 3 He starts working to save Manhattan landmarks, historical shit. As we'll find out, he'll donate a shitload of money to Bucknell University.

Speaker 3 He does great. 1992, Ted decides, damn it,

Speaker 3 it's nice to be in this firm and everything, but I think if I start my own investment firm,

Speaker 3 I can make all the money at that point. What do you say? Because now he's just a partner getting partner money.
Which is great. All the partner money.

Speaker 3 But he wants even more money because I can make even more if I do it. So he starts his own investment firm.

Speaker 3 The partners at the company were like, what the fuck are you talking about? Dick?

Speaker 3 You are integral to this whole thing. But he said, Nope.
He told them, This is what he told the Wall Street Journal. By the way, he was quoted

Speaker 3 so successful

Speaker 3 when he quits his job. The Wall Street Journal calls him to get a quote.
Why'd you quit? Imagine that.

Speaker 3 I've had a lot of shit jobs I quit. No one ever called for a quote.
And it would have been like, Well, that guy was a fucking asshole. That would have been my quote.

Speaker 3 Whereas his quote to the Wall Street Journal is, quote, when I wake up in the morning, I want to look at a different range of mountains. Holy fuck, Ted.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 3 My God, Ted. Live in a valley and have a room on either side of the house, I guess.
Holy shit, you silver-tongued son of a bitch. So he said he could knew he could double his money quick if he

Speaker 3 stayed, but he wanted the challenge of starting his own firm. Fascinating.
So October of 92, by the way, they've started their own firm. They have all this stuff going on, all this money.

Speaker 3 They decide they've been trying to have kids. Yeah.
And And

Speaker 3 that's another reason why Ted thinks that Generosa might be a little grumpy is they've been trying to conceive and can't for years. And that'll get on you after a while.

Speaker 3 Especially they, they don't just, you know, fuck and wait for a pregnancy test like they do in vitro. They go to the doctor.
He's jerking off in cups. She's getting poked and prodded.

Speaker 3 So it's when you go through all that and it doesn't work, that will, it's hard on your relationship. And if it's the woman who really has a biological, we don't care.

Speaker 3 But if it's a woman who has a real biological need for this and want for this, it's tough on them.

Speaker 3 So they decide since they can't get it, they can't make a baby, they decide they need to adopt a baby. Oh.

Speaker 3 So they end up. Oh.
Yeah. They are like the guy, the family that all these kids and these are.

Speaker 3 They are.

Speaker 3 I'm going to show up. Oh.

Speaker 3 Forgetting

Speaker 3 those little kid cars you can drive.

Speaker 3 Like, this is crazy. It's going to be like the toy at this house.
It's going to be nuts. These kids, it's going to be a talent show for which one these parents will pick.
I can do both. No.

Speaker 3 I can sing.

Speaker 3 She was at her doctor's office, and behind his desk was a picture of two babies.

Speaker 3 And she said, who are these kids? And he said, those are kids that are orphaned in the Ukraine.

Speaker 3 And that started the process. She said, well, I'll take them.
Yeah. They look good.
I'll take them both. Half, pass them over.
They were toddlers at the point, at that two, three years old.

Speaker 3 Gregory and Alexa, and they're twins. That's how she got them.
Little blonde-headed twins. Ukrainian kids.
Yep. Gregory and Alexa, and she adopted them.
What's that?

Speaker 3 They weren't even, they didn't even know that she was shopping. Give me them.
I don't care. Hand them over.

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Speaker 3 Best day of these kids' lives. Can you imagine? Yeah, just from their picture being there, that same year they are going to purchase a home in the Hamptons that we'll talk about here.

Speaker 3 When they went there, because I had to go pick them up from the Ukraine there,

Speaker 3 one friend said that Ted was deliriously happy upon their return. He had a kid on each arm.
He was like, yeah, did it.

Speaker 3 They adopted them from the village of

Speaker 3 Medvedisti

Speaker 3 in the Mukachivo region of the Ukraine.

Speaker 3 Sounds like a tough one.

Speaker 3 Jimmy and I have a show there. It's tough to sell tickets, but that's our Mokachivo.
It's on next year's tour schedule over in the Medvedisti, in the Mukachivo region of the Ukraine.

Speaker 3 I'll have a large. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I want the Medved Vedisti. I'm going to have that.
That

Speaker 3 sounds like it's sweeter a little bit, yeah.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 they said Gennarosa's reaction to the kids was odd. Yeah.
One friend said, I'd asked if she wanted kids. She did not.
She spent a lot of time in an orphanage, she said, and she'd been abused there.

Speaker 3 The whole prospect of children was too painful for her. But yet she was going through in vitro treatments and everything else.
Taking all kinds of Ted load for nothing? It makes no sense.

Speaker 3 Well, getting injected anywhere for another. I don't know if that's what Ted wanted.
So she was saying that's what she wanted. So I don't know what it was.

Speaker 3 But another friend said that Generosa with the kids, quote, was stressful to watch.

Speaker 3 She wasn't good with them. It was stressful.
Yeah, she wasn't good.

Speaker 3 She seems kind of like also, she's very kind of a selfish person. And that's difficult if you have kids.
You kind of have to give to them. Kind of want to

Speaker 3 have to want it. Yeah.
And I don't know also if the, like, if you feel different because it's a different biology.

Speaker 3 If you have the kids yourself, do you have a, do you have like a, is there more oxytocin released around them? Like, I'm just talking about like biologically, not even mentally or anything like that.

Speaker 3 I have no idea. I don't know.
Seems like a lot of women who have adopted kids really take them out. Angelina Jolie seems to be really checked about it.
Yeah. Yeah.
Well, I don't know about that.

Speaker 3 That seems pretty good. I don't know what the hell those people are doing.
Yeah. When you have nine au-pairs, does it really matter at that point? It's pretty easy.
Yeah. And

Speaker 3 I don't know.

Speaker 3 Anytime movie stars, let's adopt nine kids from all over. I mean, that's a nice thing to do in all those.
That's very selfish. That seems like a lot of look at me.

Speaker 3 Seems pretty performative, but I mean, nice thing to do, don't get me wrong.

Speaker 3 Now, the business, his own business here, he started buying up a, he bought up a company that produced newspaper advertising inserts.

Speaker 3 Those little color inserts with all the ads in them and shit in the middle of the Sunday paper.

Speaker 3 He bought that company? This is smart shit.

Speaker 3 This is why we're bad at business.

Speaker 3 Like a guy that I rented my house from in Arizona made a fortune.

Speaker 3 He would start companies that do do shit like this, build them up and then sell them and make a bunch of fucking money and then move on to the next one. He made tons of money.

Speaker 3 He made paper cups at one point. That's what he was making.
Like the little guys that rinse your mouth? Nothing glamorous. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Nothing anything, but built it up and then sold the company, made millions of dollars.

Speaker 3 Boring shit like that makes money. Yeah.
You know what I mean? The twist tie guy lives in Arizona somewhere.

Speaker 3 Those little fucking twisty things. Yeah.
I mean, he invented it and had the patent for it. But he just sold it all and let somebody else do it.
And it was just millions and millions of dollars.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah, of course. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Who the fuck?

Speaker 3 You got to have an idea, though. I mean, but that's an idea.
This isn't even an idea. This is something that exists.
And he's like, I'm going to. I've bought it.
Yeah, this isn't even like better.

Speaker 3 Like paper cups. That's not a brilliant idea.
No, no. It's just that there's a market for this, and I'm going to do that.
It's just very business smart. So that's what he did.

Speaker 3 Now, this is not glamorous, but he knew this is where he could build a lot of money.

Speaker 3 He could build this into a big powerhouse, establish ties with newspapers everywhere, and, you know, then find other products to sell them and shit like that. He called it Big Flower Press.

Speaker 3 He told a friend that,

Speaker 3 you know, that's how that was a good name for it here. They passed a field of sunflowers one time, and the children called out Big Flower, and they went, Big Flower Press.
That's cool.

Speaker 3 Some Ukrainian child going, Big Flower! Big Flower!

Speaker 3 That's it. That's terrible.
And he said, Big Flower Press.

Speaker 3 It doesn't matter what the name of the company is. So he's also serving on the boards of the Municipal Art Society and the YMCA.
He attained the title of chairman at jazz at Lincoln Center. Yeah.

Speaker 3 So when they do jazz there, and he works closely with Winton Marsalis, the horn player. Oh.
Wasn't he in the Tonight Show band or something? I don't know. Like in the 80s or something?

Speaker 3 He's a black guy, trumpet player, horn player, play some kind of horn. I don't fucking know.
Winton? Winton.

Speaker 3 Now,

Speaker 3 this is also when they buy this house in the east hamptons uh they buy a house at 59 middle lane that's the address in east hampton they paid 2.7 million dollars for it in 1992 money oh boy okay and at the time

Speaker 3 you did no what do you think

Speaker 3 how many of these episodes have we done do i usually look shit up

Speaker 3 yeah i said fuck it i just said that's a lot of money

Speaker 3 so yeah 2.7 million it's a long, kind of one-story, like a raised ranch type of thing.

Speaker 3 That's not what it's going to look like after they get done with it. Oh.
Oh, no. No, this is, they're buying this for the bones.
They're going to, they're going to level it.

Speaker 3 They're going to make it huge is what they're going to do. It's owned by Mr.
and Mrs. William Lord, who is an old family that's lived there forever.
Now, their daughter-in-law, Pam Lord.

Speaker 3 people they bought it from, is a nationally renowned gardener.

Speaker 3 I didn't think that existed. Nationally? I didn't know how they would know.
The way you plant your flowers thousands of miles away. She agreed to help them landscape the property.

Speaker 3 She's buying it and they're going to buy it from her and she'll landscape it. Well, just bought it from her.
This is their niece or something. So she's just

Speaker 3 daughter-in-law. She just knew that she had done it before.
So they said, yeah, you want to be the gardener. You can be the gardener.
Or at least the landscape.

Speaker 3 Generosa announced that she wanted all yellow plants in the front and all blue plants in the back.

Speaker 3 That was her thing. So Pam Lord said, I'm not doing this.
This is ridiculous.

Speaker 3 That's no way. I'm out of here.
So she fucking took off. I'm not working with you if you're going to be crazy.

Speaker 3 One artist said, quote, the homes around here start at 6 million and go all the way up to 30 million. Try 84 million, as we found.

Speaker 3 He said, You've got Steven Spielberg, Martha Stewart, Calvin Klein, P. Diddy.
This is back in

Speaker 3 years ago. Ralph Lorraine, Carolyn Kennedy.
This is the land of the rich, famous, and infamous.

Speaker 3 So the house, they're renovating the shit out of it. They're making it from a one-story kind of low-key affair to a two-story English-style home.
Very, very fancy. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Looked like an English country manor is what they were looking for here.

Speaker 3 They wanted to have twin front gables,

Speaker 3 an overhang roof, all this type of shit. They

Speaker 3 wanted it to look, have the spirit and look of a thatched cottage.

Speaker 3 Sure.

Speaker 3 Only rich people even know what that is. There's a lot of of nice words that sound amazing.
In a real estate listing, it sounds great. So she fights with one contractor after another

Speaker 3 because she's not easy to work with. One is Jeff Gibbons.
He's an architect, and he goes out on his own from his company he worked at, and the Ammons are his first clients.

Speaker 3 He recalled the situation thusly, quote, She basically left me crumpled up on the side of the road. That's not good.
He means that figuratively.

Speaker 3 He said, after three years years of bullying from her, the end came when Gennarosa heard him casually explaining to a third person what he'd done to the house. They were asking about it.

Speaker 3 She freaked out and said, you're not telling people you designed my house, are you?

Speaker 3 And he said, well.

Speaker 3 Tell them what I did. He said, who did? And she said, I did.
You only copied things out of books. Oh, boy.
He's an architect. He designed this, you know.

Speaker 3 So he said, then she stiffed him on his last bill.

Speaker 3 And when he talked about it, she threatened to put him out of business with her lawyers.

Speaker 3 So he had to eat shit, basically. That's what sucks about working for rich people is they fuck you over and then they'll make you sue them to get paid 20 cents on the fucking dollar.

Speaker 3 It's a classic rich person maneuver. They all do it.
So there's another poor son of a bitch here, landscaper Peter Cicero.

Speaker 3 He started his own business based on them being his first clients as well. One day he went with Gennarosa to a nursery to choose tulips.
Uh-oh. Okay.
They don't have yellow ones.

Speaker 3 You know, he said, now, you know, tulips look one shade in the morning light and a different shade in the evening light. That's how tulips are.
Yeah. You can't make new tulips.
That's nature.

Speaker 3 You're right.

Speaker 3 So he planted 600 tulips of the shade that she chose. Right.
He said that the weekend, that weekend, he drove up to find her in the garden.

Speaker 3 He said, her hair all in a mop, pulling out the 600 tulips, quote, like a a wild boar.

Speaker 3 600 tulips, you know how expensive 600 tulips is, by the way? You can imagine.

Speaker 3 She said that they were the wrong shade.

Speaker 3 You fucking idiot.

Speaker 3 Wow. He claims he was ordered to pay for the tulips himself.

Speaker 3 So it's on you.

Speaker 3 He said she was always invoking Scadden ARPS, which is a law firm that she,

Speaker 3 that was her retained law firm.

Speaker 3 He said he had to pay for the yellow roses that are the yellow tulips that she ripped out along the front, the yellow roses that she ripped out along the front fence, too, because their shade was wrong.

Speaker 3 Oh, my God. I can't make flowers in the shade you want.
This is what nature has given us.

Speaker 3 Do you like it or not? It's called photosynthesis. They do what they do.
You can't fix that.

Speaker 3 He had to remove all the trees he planted by the front door, also at his own expense, when she learned they didn't grow red berries like she wanted them to. God, Jesus.

Speaker 3 Once he said that she called his bookkeeper at 5 a.m. to rant about about bubbles in the pool.

Speaker 3 The bookkeeper said, what's wrong with them? I don't understand. And she said, they're blowing the wrong way.

Speaker 3 The wrong direction. The bubbles in the pool are blowing the wrong.
It's his fault. Imagine that.

Speaker 3 Other contractor, here's another one, had another problem, but he tried to look at the positive side of Generosa. He said she did have vision, and she was genuinely creative.

Speaker 3 He said she remembered a particular mosaic she designed in the bathrooms. He said, I sort of admired her as a woman.
She was really powerful.

Speaker 3 He said,

Speaker 3 could be a little scary, though.

Speaker 3 He said, one time when she was angry at me, she told me, quote, that my mother died of insanity and that she'd had to struggle to be where she was and that she'd be damned if anyone was going to take that away from her.

Speaker 3 Her mother dried of it, died? Died of insanity, which is a wow, you gotta. I think she died of cancer.
I was to say, insanity, otherwise known as cancer. Yeah.

Speaker 3 So another friend said she's a little just in public and socially, she's a little rough. One person said of her about talking about Ted, saying she used to correct him in front of people all the time.

Speaker 3 At a parent-teacher function, one friend said, one of the mothers was talking to Ted, as parents do, when Gennarosa came over and screamed at the woman to stop flirting with Ted. Oh, my God.

Speaker 3 So that's rough.

Speaker 3 Same thing socially in the Hamptons kind of happened as in the city.

Speaker 3 One friend said the clubs and socializing weren't really his thing. He wasn't really into it, basically.

Speaker 3 One couple that traveled with them said that

Speaker 3 Generosa had become a, quote, rough blade.

Speaker 3 These rich people have really weird phrases and idioms. I don't get it.

Speaker 3 Another

Speaker 3 people said that if you called Ted at home,

Speaker 3 Generosa would yell at you.

Speaker 3 So that was with like professional people calling him to, you know,

Speaker 3 crazy. So

Speaker 3 now they announced at one point that for the sake of the children, they were moving to England where they bought that crazy estate where they would live full-time. Oh.

Speaker 3 Didn't really happen that way, though. He comes back, lives here, he has business, then he goes over there, and she's setting up the

Speaker 3 pretty much.

Speaker 3 In 1996, without being asked or anything, he gifts Bucknell University with $15 million.

Speaker 3 Whoa. So they're like, damn, that's cool.
Why would you? You get your name on a building for that? Yeah. That's pretty good.
So by 1999, his business is booming. He was right about Big Flower Press.

Speaker 3 They're publicly traded,

Speaker 3 I guess,

Speaker 3 they had nearly $2 billion in gross annual revenues. My God.
He's doing great. Now he said, this is the time to sell.

Speaker 3 So he wants to sell. So he approached a Boston financier and suggested a buyout.
Maybe you want to do this. So

Speaker 3 this guy ended up doing that and taking the company private with the help of another investment banker who's a close friend of Ted's and his neighbor on 92nd Street.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 Ted spins off a piece of the company and used it to start Chancery Lane Capital, which is an investment firm, kind of like the one he worked for, KKR, but

Speaker 3 mom and pop shop.

Speaker 3 That's what he liked the best, was looking for deals.

Speaker 3 So now he's sold that. He's still very, very rich.
He's doing wonderful

Speaker 3 everything except not doing too great with his marriage here.

Speaker 3 He stayed in New York to sell the business. So he's barely getting over to England.
He lived at the Lowell Hotel at East 63rd Street on weekdays after the 92nd Street townhouse was sold.

Speaker 3 And he'd spend weekends in England.

Speaker 3 So he's commuting from England

Speaker 3 five days a week. They have a manor house in Surrey, which Gennarosa had done over, of course, in the way that she does things.

Speaker 3 Now, the fact that he's in New York and she's not leads her to be very suspicious of him during the week. Oh, boy.
She hires many, multiple private investigators to keep an eye on Ted.

Speaker 3 Private investigators. Private investigators.
And they later became, or she

Speaker 3 came to believe because of these investigators that Ted was involved in an affair with a very, very attractive, blonde New York investment banker. Okay.

Speaker 3 So who specialized in leveraged buyouts. You know, like we did before we were in podcasting.
We specialized in leveraged buyouts. We don't deal with regular buyouts.

Speaker 3 No, fuck, it's got to be leveraged. Leveraged is the only way.
It's the only way I'll, I won't participate otherwise. I won't.
I won't be a part of this, Jimmy.

Speaker 3 One colleague describes the banker as, quote, a little older version of Gwyneth Paltrow, a willowy blonde. This is in like 2003.
So

Speaker 3 basically, Gwyneth Paltrow 10 years ago is who they're describing.

Speaker 3 Her looks are excellent, but are just part of the package, the friend said. A friend of Ted called her a bright, New York, sophisticated, very savvy girl, the very antithesis of Generosa.
Oh.

Speaker 3 Yes, she earned millions of fucking dollars. A year or two, she killed it.
She had her own house in the Hamptons. Looking like a power couple.

Speaker 3 Looking like a power couple and looking like a power couple because she has a baby. Oh.
And so Generosa believes that's

Speaker 3 a fucking baby. More on that later.

Speaker 3 But she thinks not only is he banging some hot investment banker, he's knocking her up and everything else. So by 2000, Ted is worth more than $80 million.

Speaker 3 That is insanity. Holy crap.
And this is after hemorrhaging money, doing all this crazy shit. Then summer of 2000 comes along.

Speaker 3 And Gennarosa comes back from England in the summer of 2000 with the children to initiate divorce proceedings. Oh, she wants out.
Now she wants out.

Speaker 3 She said, yeah, and they said the couple's mutual friends said she was rough.

Speaker 3 One former friend said, all you had to do was say hello to Ted, and that was that. Really? She didn't want anything to do with you forever.

Speaker 3 You're on his side now. You're done.

Speaker 3 If she heard that Ted had dinner with mutual friends, she'd call the friends the next morning and tell them she never wanted to talk to them again. How fucking dare they betray her.
Enjoy

Speaker 3 a succulent chicken meal.

Speaker 3 Listen, yeah, we're friends with everybody. Yeah.
How dare you fucking eat dinner with my husband? One friend said she cut everyone off. She didn't have a friend in the world.

Speaker 3 Now, at this point, he's

Speaker 3 set to lose a shitload of money even in a divorce, but he doesn't care. He doesn't care.
He'll have enough money. He'll make more.
And he doesn't have to deal with the wife that he doesn't like.

Speaker 3 So great. Not an easy divorce, as you might imagine, with these two.
Too much money involved for it to be clean and easy. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And when you propose something, when you got an asshole, they'll propose something. You go, fine.
And they go, no. No.
And then they make it worse. Yeah.

Speaker 3 She would hire and fire divorce lawyers one after the other.

Speaker 3 She made crazy demands, too.

Speaker 3 This is not like, I want half. This is, according to one source, she claimed that Ted was worth more like $300 million.
Oh, God. So she wanted like $150 million.
He's like, I don't have $150 million.

Speaker 3 So I can't give you $100 million. I have $100 million.
He ends up having $100 million, but by the time this is all going, but not $300 million.

Speaker 3 She later explained here that, quote, Ted wanted an amical divorce in which everything would be shared, but thereafter he took the very different course

Speaker 3 of both hoarding income and assets and concealing assets, even after repeated disclosure orders by our state Supreme Court. That's from Generosa.
She said that.

Speaker 3 One person who was very knowledgeable to the situation, I think one of Ted's legal team, said that Ted was in full compliance and his legal team provided $45,000

Speaker 3 45,000 pages worth of financial records and discovery. That's as much as you need to disclose.
I would think that's a lot. They said that the main thing that is

Speaker 3 the sticking point is he had some stocks that were up and down. So his value would go up and down.

Speaker 3 One, he had a stake of about 1.7 million shares in a publicly traded internet advertising firm called 24-7 Media.

Speaker 3 At its peak, the stock was trading at $69 a share. So $69 a share.
But it's a dot-com thing. So as we know, that

Speaker 3 tomorrow it could be worth nothing. It could be worth nothing.
That stock went from gold to toilet paper in a day. Real fast.
So they said that

Speaker 3 at that point, that made him, that investment worth $113 million for him. But then when dot-com started collapsing in spring of 2000, it plummeted and wasn't worth shit, really, after that.

Speaker 3 So definitely wasn't worth $100 million.

Speaker 3 So these are her demands. Okay.

Speaker 3 She wants $50,000 a year for a bodyguard, for a bodyguard,

Speaker 3 $50,000 a year for a housekeeper, $50,000 a year for a chef, $50,000 a year for a driver, $30,000 a year for a gardener, $100,000 for a personal assistant, $60,000 in, quote, residential maintenance.

Speaker 3 That's just for the New York.

Speaker 3 That's just for the New York place.

Speaker 3 Then

Speaker 3 Coverwood, which is the name of their home manor in Surrey,

Speaker 3 she said she needed an additional $100,000 of maintenance a year on that as well.

Speaker 3 She basically demanded about $180,000 a month in basic living expenses.

Speaker 3 $2.5 million a year.

Speaker 3 Exactly. $2.5 million a year.

Speaker 3 That was after

Speaker 3 he gave her half.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Fuck you. $40 million and $2.5 million here.

Speaker 3 I think you can fix up your house with the $40 million I gave you, brother. All right.
I think you'll be fine.

Speaker 3 That is wild. Holy shit.

Speaker 3 That's fucking crazy. Yeah.
So

Speaker 3 that's nuts. At this point, they got Coverwood.
They have the East Hampton house. They have a West Broadway loft.
That's the one that's her Soho loft.

Speaker 3 And her new home, which is a townhouse at 10 East 87th Street in New York City as well that she buys. This is unbelievable.
This is fucking crazy.

Speaker 3 She wants everything and wants him to be

Speaker 3 pay her. I want everything and it's arrested development.
Why can't

Speaker 3 I have everything? Why can't I have hair and money and he have nothing? That's what it is. Why can't I have hair and money and he have nothing?

Speaker 3 That would be what's all I want. That's all she wants.
So the summer of 2000, Ted had bought a 10th floor apartment at 1125 Fifth Avenue, thinking that Generosa and the children might live there.

Speaker 3 But she didn't like that place. Not good enough for her.
I don't even like the place. Nope.
So she preferred a townhouse that she found off 5th. So Ted moved into the apartment.

Speaker 3 I'll fucking live there. You get the townhouse.
I don't care. He paid $9 million for the townhouse, by the way.
I don't like a $9 million. No, no, no.
That's the apartment.

Speaker 3 So he bought her a $9 million townhouse because she didn't like the apartment on 5th Avenue that he bought her. Unbelievable.
Whoa.

Speaker 3 That's crazy. A renovation budget for this $9 million townhouse.
They agreed that she could spend $1 million renovating it.

Speaker 3 Changing it into whichever way she wanted it. Which is crazy.
So work begins in September of 2000.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 it's all under construction. So as a temporary.
fix, she moves into the Stanhope Hotel on Fifth Avenue, which is not Doug Stanhope's hotel. No, it's a real classy, elegant place.

Speaker 3 It's not painted crazy. Not painted crazy because it's not a trailer in the Bisbee Desert.
It's nothing like that. The bald woman is your fucking concierge.
None of that. None of that.

Speaker 3 So, by the way, they said by now she has an entourage of servants wherever she goes. So it's her, the kids, two nannies, a bodyguard, a drive guard.
This one, that like eight people in the house.

Speaker 3 You're not important enough to cares about you.

Speaker 3 So at the Stanhope, she she takes a $1,500 a night suite

Speaker 3 she stays in,

Speaker 3 then a large room for the nanny and the children, then at least two more rooms for members of the townhouse work crew that she has to work with.

Speaker 3 It's insane.

Speaker 3 She's just blowing money. Yeah.
One of the guys that ends up kind of... being at her suite an awful lot is Daniel Pelosi.

Speaker 3 He's the electrician. That's not just his poor nickname.
He's the electrician. He's an actual electrician.
He's actually showing up to do electric work.

Speaker 3 He lives out on Long Island, not in East Hampton. No.
More reasonable area. He's married with three kids.

Speaker 3 He's a high school dropout.

Speaker 3 Drug and alcohol abuser over the years.

Speaker 3 Big rap sheet. Lots of drunk driving charges and like bar fights.

Speaker 3 He's a dipshit. He's living it up.
He's a Long Island mook is what he is. He's a Long Island fucking,

Speaker 3 you know, just one of these, one of these like mook guinea fucking.

Speaker 3 Been around his whole life. I know a million guys exactly like this.
Put it that way. That's why I'm so tuned into this.
I know this guy. He is handsome, though.
He's a handsome guy.

Speaker 3 But other than that, he doesn't have a lot going for him here.

Speaker 3 He apparently acknowledged at one point after he, when he filed a suit, a lawsuit after a work-related incident claiming a back injury, he said that's what led to his drug addiction. Yeah.

Speaker 3 It was that, which happens. He married pretty young.

Speaker 3 He married a 19-year-old at the time. He was like 20 or 21, and they ended up having three kids.
That's Tammy. We'll talk about her.

Speaker 3 A little bit about Danny's background, just to give you who he is here. Grew up very different than both of these people here.

Speaker 3 On the first day of sixth grade, he's in a new school. And he got into a fight with a boy and was disrespectful to a teacher, which, I mean, sixth grade, it's kind of the

Speaker 3 meeting of boys will be boys there.

Speaker 3 They're going to fight, they're going to tell the teacher to fuck off, and then they go home, and their dad yells at them, and they say they're sorry, and that's how it works.

Speaker 3 So his dad gave him a good spanking.

Speaker 3 So he settled down a little bit. He joined Little League.
He was trying to get his shit together. Then he misbehaved at school again.

Speaker 3 So the teacher hit his knuckles with a yardstick, Catholic school style. Danny went home and told his father.
His father was pissed off. I hit my kid, not you.
That's what he said.

Speaker 3 So he went to the school to see the teacher, picked up the yardstick yeah and said is this what you hit my son with and the teacher said yeah so he whacked the teacher with the yardstick and said how's that feel yeah and then quote the only one who hits my son is me

Speaker 3 i'll beat his little fucking ass but you don't touch him all right oh boy wow and that is uh that is long island italian back in the day

Speaker 3 he said how does that feel So one night when he was 13, Danny and his buddies got shit-faced, raided the liquor cabinet, got drank everything they could.

Speaker 3 They're drinking fucking creme de Memph, whatever they can get their hands on, whatever's in there. They don't care.
Peach schnapps, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 Danny got real sick and didn't want to drink anymore.

Speaker 3 He got the shit kicked out of him for it also. He got punished for sneaking out on his motorcycle,

Speaker 3 stealing his father's boat. Oh, boy.
Things like that. Oh, boy.
He's a tearaway.

Speaker 3 But he grew. He used to be kind of a short, wimpy guy, but he turns into a big, tough guy, ladies' man.
He gets into boxing. He does golden gloves and stuff.

Speaker 3 He hung out with bad kids in school, basically. He hung out with

Speaker 3 the bad kid group. From this book, they say, and this is an interesting sentence.
Strangely, he chose to begin speaking in a crude, uneducated way, unlike his parents.

Speaker 3 He wanted to be

Speaker 3 a different guy. Yeah, exactly.
That's what he was looking for. They said his teeth were crooked.
He seemed to chew his words when he spit them out. That's what they said.

Speaker 3 And he's hanging out with rough kids from blue-collar backgrounds and using their profanity-laced D's, Dem-Does brand of speech. You know, the old fucking New York-style.

Speaker 3 So he felt he had to be strong and tough. He needed to protect his family and all that.
He and his friends got into trouble for stealing a case of beer. That was the first time he was like arrested.

Speaker 3 Danny's parents were embarrassed, but they hired a lawyer and stood by him and all that kind of thing. His dad is a stand-up guy, I will say later on.

Speaker 3 February 1980, he gets kicked out of high school for trespassing on school grounds. I guess off hours, maybe.
Yeah, not supposed to be there. Otherwise,

Speaker 3 you're supposed to be there for a certain amount of time.

Speaker 3 He tried to take five girls to the prom. Nice.
That's a crazy move.

Speaker 3 You have to run a limo for that. That's a crazy move.
He didn't. No.
No. Did he walk them there? He picked them all up separately

Speaker 3 and basically picked them all up separately, dropping them off, making an excuse, and picking up another in his father's new Cadillac. Wow.
Which is very weird. Pick one up, drop them off.

Speaker 3 I got to get my friend. I'll be back.
Getting five girls. Five girls like that.
Then he crashed the car. Oh, my God.
Like an idiot. So the next morning he didn't come home.

Speaker 3 His dad found his new car and Danny at a repair shop with the front end all fucked up and the hood all bent.

Speaker 3 Smashed windshield.

Speaker 3 And there was a girl just passed out in the back seat.

Speaker 3 Like, hold on a minute here.

Speaker 3 In the shop. You are having way too much fun.
She's up on the lift and everything.

Speaker 3 Hey, yo, Kathy,

Speaker 3 when you wake up, don't just try to step out of the car. You got to let us know what Loah is, right? Because it's going to be

Speaker 3 a nosebleed up there. You know, you're going to fucking tumble to your death, probably.

Speaker 3 Let's help you. So he said, Danny said, wait, wait, I could explain and was running from his father around the car.

Speaker 3 Finally, his father told him, you know what? I'm not going to chase you. You got to come home sometime.

Speaker 3 That's how it was. He met his future wife, Tammy, at a graduation party the summer after senior year.
She was still going to graduation parties a year after he graduated.

Speaker 3 Now, she was totally different than him. She was a good student, was on the volleyball team, a member of the leaders club, on the prom committee.

Speaker 3 She does like extracurriculars and school shit.

Speaker 3 She wasn't into Danny. No? Nope.
Absolutely not. These, we've, and them's like,

Speaker 3 not too rough for her.

Speaker 3 It wasn't a thing here.

Speaker 3 So that's interesting. Now, she was at the boyfriend, at the party with her boyfriend, who was a big asshole guy.

Speaker 3 They had an argument, and this asshole guy slapped her in the face in front of everyone at the party, which is crazy. That's insane.
My God.

Speaker 3 So Danny came over and slapped Ralph. This is the guy, the boyfriend, and said, Try me out.
Yeah. You asshole.
Let's see what you got.

Speaker 3 Someone your own size. So they ended up going outside, and Danny beat him up.
He was a boxer, so

Speaker 3 he punched him a few times, knocked him out. So then he went over to the guy who was knocked out and said, from now on, she's dating me.

Speaker 3 I won.

Speaker 3 This isn't a fair. You didn't knock down all the bottles, and now you get the girl.
Like,

Speaker 3 what are you doing?

Speaker 3 He just hit the three-point shot on the bent rim. He just did that.
He took that big mallet and went ka-ping, and it went all the way up to you get the girl.

Speaker 3 Ding, it rang the bell, and he's like, She's mine now.

Speaker 3 And he took her like a giant, like fucking, like a giant penguin-stuffed animal off to the

Speaker 3 um, he won her in a fight. That's great.
Then he turned to Tammy and said, Hey, from now on, you're dating me. Uh-huh.
And she said, No, no, no. Yeah.

Speaker 3 But then he kissed her, and she went, All right, I guess. And went out with it.
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Speaker 3 This is insane. Water in a card game.
Water in a fucking in a card game. So Pelosi, this is the guy we're coming from here.
He is the head of the crew and the electrician here.

Speaker 3 Now, he starts recommending all these elaborate, expensive things to her to do to the house and all of that kind of shit. The pipes that have to be replaced.
Yeah, because I need money.

Speaker 3 Yeah, we got to move these I-beams.

Speaker 3 Move I-beams? Yeah, you're fucking mine. So,

Speaker 3 they're gutting this townhouse here. And

Speaker 3 Generosa liked that because she said, spend as much as you want. Yeah, it's all his money.
And she also said, you're kind of cute. Uh-oh.
Absolutely. He's married with three kids.
Well, so's she.

Speaker 3 He's married with two kids. It doesn't matter.
They're both, and he's blown away by living in a nice hotel and having all this money. And gets to fuck the hot boss.

Speaker 3 And she said that Danny's everything that Ted isn't. Okay.
You know, he's rash and he's, you know, an idiot and, you know, all that stuff. Yeah.
Poor. You know, all the things that he's not.

Speaker 3 An alcoholic. You know, in and out out of jail.
Things like that.

Speaker 3 Danny said it was the princess and the pauper. That was the relationship.
She came from a world of enormous wealth, been to every continent, and I've been to Florida.

Speaker 3 You fucking boobs. I've been to Florida.
And I've been to Florida.

Speaker 3 These two are a weird couple. Ah, funny.

Speaker 3 So the $1 million agreed-upon renovation soon becomes $4 million.

Speaker 3 $4 million.

Speaker 3 Of renovating.

Speaker 3 Half the price of the price tag of the place. That is insanity.
Wow. So Pelosi, Danny, says, I ended up staying at the job instead of driving all the way back to Long Island.

Speaker 3 Yeah, why go home when I can get pussy here? Nobody commutes from the city all the way to the middle of Long Island every day. Oh, wait.
No, I'm sorry. Hundreds of thousands of people do that.

Speaker 3 All day. They have a fucking train that goes right there.
It's all right, the expressway. It's all happening.

Speaker 3 He said, one morning, Generosa showed up and found me sleeping in the truck.

Speaker 3 In the truck.

Speaker 3 And she said, none of her workers sleep in the truck. She said, you're going to stay at the Stanhope.
I'll get you a room at the Stanhope. What? Yeah.

Speaker 3 He said, of course I knew why. Of course I was flirting.
Yeah, I was in the middle of a divorce.

Speaker 3 You know, things with Tammy were rocky, mainly because he's staying in Manhattan, fucking some rich lady.

Speaker 3 He said, and this was a very attractive, elegant lady who told me she was getting divorced. She told me she hadn't had sex in two years, you know.
Why would she tell you that? You know, two two years.

Speaker 3 Why are you on that conversation? I figured I'm going to bang her out a little bit.

Speaker 3 How did

Speaker 3 her distance between now and sex come in between

Speaker 3 a circuit that I'm running for the fucking lights in the bathroom? Hey, that I-beam. I don't like the location.
If you move it three feet over to this way, how long has nobody been up inside you?

Speaker 3 You know what? I'm fucking you now. How's that? What do you think of this wallpaper? When's the last time you got your ass ringed? I mean, really good.

Speaker 3 I mean, balls against your asshole. Pounding, I'm talking about.
Really, a good shot.

Speaker 3 One of these where you're like, oh, my wrong afterwards. I got to take a break.
You know what I'm saying? One of those. Been a while, right? Wow.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 he said, quote, just to think she wanted something to do with me blew me away. It was the biggest ego trip in the world.

Speaker 3 Every guy on my job begged me not to fool around with her because they were afraid I'd get fired and we'd lose our job. So we're all getting brained.
Like, this is crazy.

Speaker 3 We just suggest shit and she pays for it. We make extra money.
Awesome. They were all worried this would go away, you know, like happens when people get involved.

Speaker 3 No, he was going all the way to the bar cart of the gravy train to fuck the bartender right in the face. Go, what do you think about that, huh? It's my gravy train.

Speaker 3 So he said, the next thing I knew it, I was driving around in a limousine.

Speaker 3 putting the wine menu in front of me. That's not even written in English, you know? I drink Bud Light.
It's that easy. Yeah, because you're the electrician.
Yeah. You you just shouldn't be.

Speaker 3 I don't know what these are. Yeah.

Speaker 3 So 2001, Pelosi is now living with her. Danny and her are living together at the Stanhope here, which is across from the Metropolitan Museum.
That's important in a minute. Don't worry.
Yeah,

Speaker 3 that'll come in to play here.

Speaker 3 So they took, I guess the Ammons here, Generosa and Ted, took turns sharing the East Hampton house on the weekend. They rotated weekends.
You get it this weekend. I get it next week.

Speaker 3 You get it with the kids. Exactly.
Well,

Speaker 3 whoever had the kids would get the house that weekend. That's how it was.
They said that summer, Danny became a fixture in the Hamptons and a fixture with Gennarosi.

Speaker 3 He said, I absolutely fell in love with her. I fell in love with her.
It was something about, I couldn't put my finger on it. You know, something couldn't possibly be all the way.

Speaker 3 I was just a pussy and money. Just,

Speaker 3 you know, I mean, pussy, money, those are good. Those are good.

Speaker 3 So now the Ammons here, they have, they're trying to work out a settlement, Ted and Generosa, and the kids are really in the middle of all this mess.

Speaker 3 These two poor adopted kids who've seen enough strife in their life. Right.

Speaker 3 Danny said the parents were so involved in the divorce, they forgot about the kids. It wasn't fair.
I mean, it just wasn't right.

Speaker 3 You are the one causing a distraction, though. You're making this real difficult.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 You are rectifying their mom's lack of sexual activity. on a daily basis.
Now, this shit is expensive, by the way, all this shit. Fuck yes.

Speaker 3 They would start out. This is just a day of Danny and Generosa here.
They'd start out with breakfast at the hotel each morning for the whole entourage. That'd be about $500 a morning.

Speaker 3 They'd tip the Bellman $50 to walk the dog each time. Oh, boy.
Dogs piss a lot. A lot.
Yeah. Three, four times a day.
$100 tip from bringing the car from the hotel's garage.

Speaker 3 That's on top of the $38 valet fee anyway. So $100 to that guy.
All of this and the bills bills would just be forwarded to Ted,

Speaker 3 totaling about $70,000 a month in bullshit. Oh, my God.
Like this.

Speaker 3 They hung out at the bar all the time, Danny and Generosa. At dinner, Danny would leave tips of $100, sometimes $200.
This is not his money. Danny's spending? Throwing it around like fucking water.

Speaker 3 Holy shit. They said that the tips didn't quite compensate for what one of the people described as the couple's borish and abusive behavior.
Oh, they're a nightmare. Well, she's an asshole like this.

Speaker 3 She thinks everyone's her servant, and he doesn't know any better. So if that's how you treat people based on how she's treating people, he thinks that's what you do because he doesn't know.

Speaker 3 He's a fucking idiot from Long Island. So anyway,

Speaker 3 if Generosa saw a hotel employee talking to Ted when he picked up the children, she would get mad and try to get that employee fired because she would say that

Speaker 3 they were a spy for Ted. Ted is paying for this, lady.
Yep. In the bar at the hotel, sometimes she would just yell at random people and say i know you're a spy for my husband what is going on with

Speaker 3 i'm in town from des Moines I have no idea what you're talking about I have a meeting I have to go to my company sent me here I sell shower rings this is crazy yeah what the fuck these are very light they have helium in them

Speaker 3 so

Speaker 3 on New Year's Eve

Speaker 3 they're watching the TV, as people do on New Year's Eve. Everybody's watching the TV.
She shouted, turn the television off. I want it off.
What? That's what she said. And

Speaker 3 they didn't know what to do. And Danny would tell people all the time, I know guys in the mafia, you know.
Oh, boy. You know, I talk like this, so obviously I know mafia guys, basically.

Speaker 3 So one person said that Ted's paying these enormous bills and it would piss him off, especially the town home renovation quadrupling in price.

Speaker 3 And he was really pissed off that Danny's always with his children. Yeah.
He said, one of his friends said that made him fucking crazy. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Well, I'm going to lose his mind, which anybody anybody would,

Speaker 3 especially if he's a bum.

Speaker 3 And I'm paying for him. I'm paying for him.

Speaker 3 Now, Pelosi's, this is Danny's wife, Tammy, said that

Speaker 3 Danny went to work for Generosa, and soon after, he was never home anymore. He was gone all the time.
She said how excited her husband had been when he first landed the contracting work here.

Speaker 3 But they found themselves after a while with more money than they ever had. Her bank account was full, Tammy's, but she said that at home, home, he was never home.

Speaker 3 He'd spend less time with the family. Something was wrong, is what she said.
So she said her husband began receiving lavish gifts from Generosa.

Speaker 3 He soon moved out of their home and went to live in Manhattan in the high-rise, like as we talked about.

Speaker 3 She said, this is his wife, said he still took care of us, I guess, because of the guilt he felt. He kept making improvements on the home and giving me gifts.
And I said, I don't want gifts.

Speaker 3 I just want you with the kids and our lives back.

Speaker 3 he was like ah nope so one person said also that Gennarosa uh reneged on the initial pledge of joint custody with Ted with the kids now she wants all custody sole custody

Speaker 3 absolutely she Ted told friends that she repeatedly failed to produce the kids for scheduled time with them One weekend when the children were supposed to be with Gennarosa, he went to a theater with friends.

Speaker 3 It's not his weekend. So doing what he wants to do.
At intermission, he made a phone call and his friend said he looked real worried.

Speaker 3 He said, shit, I have to go right now because Gennarosa decided on a whim she's going to the Hamptons with Danny and dropped the kids off with the doorman at the building.

Speaker 3 At his building, he's living at 11. My kids are standing out front of my house.
They're sitting with the doorman with their fucking luggage and backpacks and shit.

Speaker 3 So he had to drive to the, he had to leave the theater and go do that.

Speaker 3 He said that also that

Speaker 3 she was poisoning the kids against him. She told them that their dad had mob connections connections and that's why he made money.

Speaker 3 She told them that the kids that he'd stolen money,

Speaker 3 told the kids that he'd had their phones bugged because he was spying on everybody.

Speaker 3 According to one person, Ted claimed that Gennarosa even told the children that a big set, this is the thing that the kids remember later, the big satellite dish on top of the Metropolitan Museum of Art across Fifth Avenue from the Stanhope.

Speaker 3 She told the kids that Ted had that installed as a means to spy on. It's a listening device.
Yep.

Speaker 3 Ted said he had to take the kids into the museum and get the curators to explain the dish and what it does, and that Ted didn't put it in because they were convinced

Speaker 3 that he was spying.

Speaker 3 Then she thinks he's having an affair, like we said, with the investment banker, which really pisses her off.

Speaker 3 She later said, and I quote, Ted had taken up with a woman from his past and was also having an affair with another woman by whom he had a baby.

Speaker 3 The difference is,

Speaker 3 I guess the blonde investment banker

Speaker 3 was living with another guy, a very well-known Manhattan businessman. And the reason that Ted was with her all the time, Ted was working with her, but that guy was having an affair with her.

Speaker 3 Ted was being a wingman. At a boy.
The baby is this other guy. Ted never fucked this lady.

Speaker 3 He's has some other girlfriend, but not her. Yeah.
Not the one that's. He's got a girlfriend, but it's not just some fucking affair.
Yep.

Speaker 3 One close friend said, it was my impression that if there had been a romantic involvement, which he never once fessed up to, that it was sort of past.

Speaker 3 And in recent times, it was my impression that she was just a real good friend of his. I would be astonished if that child was actually his.

Speaker 3 And it was later proven that the private investigator just said, I saw them together, must be them. Ted never had an affair with her, and the baby she had wasn't his.
It was one of Ted's colleagues.

Speaker 3 That's who he was having an affair with. She hired shitbag PIs, and they got it.
All the money in the world. Couldn't get it right.
So then there's courtroom confrontations.

Speaker 3 Generosa would arrive with her entire entourage including danny yeah and they'd all yell at ted's lawyers in the hallway and yell at ted

Speaker 3 which is wild um her own lawyers had managed to persuade her that ted's representations of his net net worth worth were correct they said listen he's got less than a hundred million dollars doesn't have 300 million we can't get 300 million because he doesn't have 300 million so they said you're going to get between 20 and 25 million and your house and some other properties and shit shit like that are going to be sold and you're going to get you know pieces of that right that's how this works uh she wanted full custody of the kids and the judge said no one week for you next week for ted that's how this works uh she was real pissed off but she said fine draw up the fucking papers and we'll get it over with okay let's do this so october 2001 the divorce is almost final papers are being drawn up by the end of the month this shit will be signed sealed and finished yeah god i'm lucky i was the brokest person in the world who didn't even have a fucking checking account when I got divorced.

Speaker 3 Made it a lot easier.

Speaker 3 Made it a lot easier. She thinks that she just gets to keep everything.
Everything. And that's not how divorce works.
No, you're not living the same. You'll get some.

Speaker 3 I mean, it generally gets split down the middle, and then financially, he takes care of everything. And they built their empire together.
That's fine.

Speaker 3 I'm not saying that she didn't come in at the sell it all and split it. She didn't come in at $11.59.
No. You know, she helped build it.
It's fine. But you don't get more than he has.
Right.

Speaker 3 So, October 17th, 2001,

Speaker 3 one of Ted's longtime house servants filed suit against him

Speaker 3 for several large sums owed to them, they say.

Speaker 3 This was Stephen Gudarian and Bruce Reidner, a pair described by a former family friend as Laurel and Hardy. One tall and gaunt, the other short and heavyset.

Speaker 3 They worked for the Admins for almost a decade. and as mainly as close to Generosa as part of her entourage there.
Now they're pissed off.

Speaker 3 They said Ted went back on a promise to pay the costs of their relocation back to the U.S. from England when they were all over there, a sum they claimed to be $137,690.91.

Speaker 3 That's what their move costs? That is, I've never heard of that. What did they move?

Speaker 3 Yeah, what did you move? Buckingham Castle? What the fuck are you taking over? The London Bridge? You the people who brought it to Havasu? What are we talking about? Is it the

Speaker 3 shipping fees?

Speaker 3 Yeah. What are we talking about? The Statue of Liberty.
See, did you bring the statue over from France?

Speaker 3 They said that Ted had promised to buy them a home upon the termination of their employment and to give them at least $2 million in cash or security. To do what? To be fired? I don't understand.

Speaker 3 That's some kind of severance. For what? What did they do?

Speaker 3 That's what I'm wondering. Yeah, I guess they...
That's crazy. Sign me up for that, John.

Speaker 3 Fuck, they said that they had paid family bills totaling nearly $25,000 out of their own pockets that had not been reimbursed.

Speaker 3 They said that monies advanced to security guards, $3,250,000, equestrian bills, $2,898.67, et cetera. Coarse stuff.
Shit, that they had to do whatever.

Speaker 3 I'm surprised they didn't have a credit card for the family. So they said that Ted had cheated them out of at least $750,000 in internet stock as well.
They seek more than $7.5 million from Ted.

Speaker 3 Cheated them. Cheated them.

Speaker 3 People that know Ted said he laughed at the lawsuit and threw it to the side. Stupid.
This is ridiculous. So Ted still has deals working.

Speaker 3 This is when he becomes the chairman of jazz at the Lincoln Center in 2001. He played jazz music as a kid, too.
He was big into jazz and big into music.

Speaker 3 He just began helping plan a temporary memorial at the World Trade Center.

Speaker 3 This was October 2001, big deal for the Municipal Arts Society.

Speaker 3 One of his, the society's chairman said Ted was just in fact finding his civic roots. So he was doing all sorts of charity shit like that.

Speaker 3 Ted told another friend here that his daughter, Alexa, had broken down in tears in front of him

Speaker 3 and was so sad about everything. And he said that he just couldn't wait for the papers to be signed so he could start spending more time with his kids and start healing this whole mess.

Speaker 3 He thought, papers sign, everyone will chill out. Yeah.
All the claws will go back in. All back.

Speaker 3 Saturday, October 20th, 2001.

Speaker 3 Ted decides he's going to come out to the East Hamptons that weekend and stay at the house.

Speaker 3 And he drives out there in his silver Porsche. Oh, boy.
Living it up, man. God, he's having a great time.
So he decided to spend the house there.

Speaker 3 And it's something he, the weekend there at the house, it's something he did all the time. And sometimes if he said, I'll be back Monday morning, sometimes he wouldn't be back till Tuesday.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 He's too rich to be held to a schedule like that.

Speaker 3 Sometimes you wake up on Monday and you're like, this wine hangover is no good. I hear the ocean.
I'm not driving like

Speaker 3 that. Sit around.
That sounds good. So this is Monday, October 22nd, 2001 here.
Not unusual, except they had a big meeting that was for a big money thing and he missed the meeting on Monday.

Speaker 3 So nobody was really concerned anyway.

Speaker 3 You could still blow it off and make up for it and all that kind of thing. And he would flake on appointments all the time.
That's how he met Generosa, flaking on an appointment with her.

Speaker 3 Sometimes it pays off. So yeah, then his business partner, Mark Engelson, he started to worry.
He said, because he's trying to get a hold of him and he can't get a hold of him.

Speaker 3 And he said, he might miss a meeting or an appointment, but he does not ignore phone calls and messages completely. That's not Ted.

Speaker 3 So they found out that it was Ted's week to have the kids and that Ted hadn't made alternate arrangements to pick them up due to his extended stay in the Hamptons.

Speaker 3 So they're like, he wouldn't blow his kids off either. He'd pick them up on Monday morning.
They said he might be unreliable some areas, but never when it came to his kids.

Speaker 3 That was, he was always, if he had a place to be with his kids, he was, it's 5.05. I got to go now.
I got to pick the kids up.

Speaker 3 So they get, so this guy, him and Ted's chauffeur fly out to the East Hampton airport on a corporate helicopter. Nice.
Not bad.

Speaker 3 Arriving a little before 5, they take a cab to 59 Middle Lane and see Ted's Porsche in the driveway. Like, what the fuck is going on with this? He's still here.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 So Mark Engelson and the chauffeur enter the house and they're greeted by the three dogs, two golden retrievers and a chocolate lab. Those are three good pedible dogs right there.
Those are lovable.

Speaker 3 The dogs seem to be acting funny. They're not, they're not.
Not so lovable. They're just acting weird.
They're like running in weird spots. What the fuck is wrong with the yeah?

Speaker 3 That's what they're trying to figure out. So they're calling Ted, Ted, Ted, what the fuck.
Then they see a trail of blood on the stairs. Oh.

Speaker 3 They follow the trail of blood, as one does, and they head up to the master bedroom where they find Ted.

Speaker 3 He is sprawled out on the bed, completely nude, covered in blood, head beaten in,

Speaker 3 wounds all over him. He went up the stairs like that.
Just absolutely looks like he's been killed five times over. It's horrifying.
It's 5.19 p.m. They call the East Hampton Village Police Department.

Speaker 3 Three policemen respond within minutes because they got nothing else to do in this town. And again, a lot of taxes.
Village all's on tour. Yeah, exactly.
He said, that's Seinfeld's block.

Speaker 3 We got to get over there. And they went around confirming there's no one else in the house because it's a big, like 7,000 square foot house.
You got to inspect the house.

Speaker 3 They also discover later on that Ted's, the security system here, which is a big, elaborate security system that had nine individual cameras. And this is in 2001.

Speaker 3 Now, anybody's trailer has nine cameras. But back then, nine cameras was like the stash house for the, you know, for a local cocaine syndicate would have nine cameras.
Nobody else.

Speaker 3 So Walmart didn't have nine cameras. So they said all these cameras and the system had all been turned off.
Everything is off. So they seal the house.

Speaker 3 They wait for the Suffolk County homicide, which takes an hour to get there.

Speaker 3 They go room to room, thinking that burglary does not appear to be the motive because nothing is ransacked. In a house like this, you'd expect to see certain areas of ransacking.

Speaker 3 So they determined that...

Speaker 3 Just tentatively by looking at him, that he probably died at least or was partially killed by blunt force trauma from several blows to the head, although they also said his body was severely cut.

Speaker 3 Okay, now

Speaker 3 they said the blood, we understand, started downstairs and came upstairs and was even in the shower where it looked like the perpetrator or perpetrators may have tried to wash themselves off.

Speaker 3 Oh, they cleaned up, yeah. Yeah, covered in blood.

Speaker 3 They said the trail of blood is present downstairs on the terrace, and the blood trail goes upstairs, goes into the bathroom, and in another room where it looks like Ted may have been trying to get away.

Speaker 3 So they're like, these clues don't help much.

Speaker 3 They help show kind of what happened maybe, possibly, but there's no clue to who did this at this point is the problem.

Speaker 3 So they said his body had multiple cuts.

Speaker 3 The coroner would determine that before Ted was fatally beaten, he'd been incapacitated by a stun gun

Speaker 3 several times. They can't figure out an exact time of death.
They said he could have been killed as early as Saturday night

Speaker 3 or early Sunday morning, possibly. But his body is room temperature at this point, they said.

Speaker 3 The wounds, he

Speaker 3 had been struck 35 times. with what the coroner said was either a baseball bat or a flashlight and wounded several times by a stun gun.
Neither weapon is in this house. Okay, fine.
Took him with him.

Speaker 3 Took him with him. And there are,

Speaker 3 it's so hard when you get to this. There are rumors flying around, and I haven't seen an actual autopsy report, and I couldn't find that.
But there are rumors around that Ted had his dick cut off.

Speaker 3 That was one of the rumors.

Speaker 3 That was part of the many severe cuts that they were talking about. But I can't confirm that.
So not sure. Later on, someone says that that may have knowledge of it.
So I kind of believe it.

Speaker 3 So they say, yeah, time of death is difficult. They said the house guest of an immediate neighbor recalled that on Sunday, he was painting a watercolor by his host's back pond.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 This guy's got an easel set up out in the yard. Get the fuck out of here.
Just say I was painting. Just say I was painting a watercolor.
Oh, God. How rich are you? Tell me what kind of painting I was.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I don't need to know that. It was oil-based.
Shut up.

Speaker 3 I had a watercolor.

Speaker 3 He said he heard several cars crunching over the gravel in the driveway of Ted's driveway. So we don't know who that was or when.
He just heard gravel crunching.

Speaker 3 Wasn't goodly enough to paint a picture of the car that he saw. The watercolor was going to dry.
Yeah, they had to do stuff, man. So they said whoever killed him, they think stole his underwear,

Speaker 3 his bed sheets, and a computer hard drive that controls the elaborate video security system. Bed sheets and underwear.
That's interesting. It's a weird thieving.
So I'll put it this way.

Speaker 3 This is crazy.

Speaker 3 In this town of East Hampton, this shit does not happen. No.
Period. And if it does, it is solved yesterday.
Right.

Speaker 3 So the East Hampton mayor, Paul Rickenbach, used to be a cop.

Speaker 3 And he said that's the first murder they've had in 19 years there. Last one was in 1982.
And not exactly a whodunit. A guy got shit-faced in a bar and picked a fight with some other guy who

Speaker 3 they got in a fight and the other guy had a knife and stabbed him to death, which is

Speaker 3 A to B and cuffs, and there you go. And he got his wife.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 There you go. And he said, you're dating me now.

Speaker 3 Wow.

Speaker 3 So that was that. They said the only other murder in the village that they could remember was in the 70s when a reclusive gay guy

Speaker 3 who was a theatrical set designer died in a suspicious fire. And they wrote it off as an arson suicide.
Oh, my.

Speaker 3 So, yeah, which is interesting. Now, the other thing, though, with Ted here, there's defensive wounds to the hands and arms.

Speaker 3 He's a big guy, too. He's going to fight back.
And he also seemed to have severe cuts as well, like we said. They said, was it a knife or the edge of a weapon?

Speaker 3 That's a weapon that had an edge on it somewhere else. Blood had soaked into the rug, spattered on the walls everywhere.

Speaker 3 There's blood outside the bedroom, like we talked about, base of the stairs, the living room rug, and even out on the rear terrace as well.

Speaker 3 They said that the killer would have been covered in blood. Absolutely.
Absolutely covered in blood. And that's why they said maybe they took a shower.

Speaker 3 So they said the plumber's traps and the drains are going to have to be open to search for those and do all of that to see if anybody washed there. Maybe they get hairs, something.

Speaker 3 They said the body was room temperature. So it likely occurred the murder sometime before it was discovered, you know, because it's had time to cool down to room temperature.

Speaker 3 No murder weapon found on the scene. The area's got to be searched.
They call out.

Speaker 3 all the cops they can get to look all through the bushes and the pond in the backyard is dredged and everything to look for anywhere where you would throw a weapon you know just to get rid of it there's no witnesses obviously um they said an autopsy hopefully will narrow things down but it's going to be hard it's really hard to determine time of death it really fucking is so they said the um to the right of the living room fireplace stood a black wrought iron stand you know your fireplace stuff with your scooper in it with your yeah and irons and all that shit so he said it was conspicuously empty they said where was the heavy metal poker and the shovel?

Speaker 3 Both of them are gone. That's the two you use the most.
You scoop the ashes out with the shovel. You got to move the poker around.
I was just doing it last night.

Speaker 3 They said, were one or both of them the murder weapons? Is there more than one murderer? Yeah. What the fuck? They have no answers.

Speaker 3 They go around to neighbors.

Speaker 3 They said that the one neighbor said they heard cars either coming or going, just crunching on gravel.

Speaker 3 He distinctly remembered the sound of tires crunching. They're like, okay, so a car was there yesterday.
Great. That could have been literally anybody.
It could have been Delta.

Speaker 3 It could have been anybody. Yeah.

Speaker 3 So they said no one, preliminary canvas of neighbors. No one heard anything or saw anything.
One woman wondered how Ted could have been killed without any noise.

Speaker 3 She said, why didn't I hear the dogs barking? Right. Would have heard the dogs.
Over the next couple days, as things happen in a small town, it just turns into

Speaker 3 little clues, turn into rumors that turn into insane shit that people, they know what happened now. Oh, they solved it.
Yeah. Okay.
Valence came down and sucked his dick off. That's what it had.

Speaker 3 Ripped it right off from him. Now, the problem is

Speaker 3 the cops are saying nothing. No.
So people have to make up their own shit, apparently, because they don't have any answers.

Speaker 3 So they were saying that rumors are swirling. People are saying it's a crime of passion.
Had to be somebody who he fucked that night. Look at what happened.
The dick thing and all that.

Speaker 3 They said, how could a stranger have entered his house without tripping the alarm system and pissing the dogs off?

Speaker 3 So they said that, you know, a police report they also found saying a naked man had been reported running down middle lane that weekend. Oh.
Yeah. They said, that's it.

Speaker 3 So the people said, naked guy running down the street. He's in bed, naked, dick cut, cut.
He's a closet gay guy who hooked up with the wrong hustler. And that guy took his dick.

Speaker 3 Took his dick with him and stole and robbed him. Took his underwear.
That's what happened. They said, yep, you got some rough trade.

Speaker 3 my

Speaker 3 dick's underwears and bed sheet murderer. That's it.

Speaker 3 That's all he wants. It's a caper.
Well, you got to wrap the dick in something.

Speaker 3 So they said that,

Speaker 3 you know, they said also a mile or so from the house is Two Mile Hollow Beach, which is where gay dudes go to hook up. Oh, for fact.
That's the local hookup spot, they said.

Speaker 3 So, I mean, they go off into the dunes and blow each other. They said, and before long, that's what everybody said.
Oh, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 3 It's gay.

Speaker 3 It's all this big gay thing. So

Speaker 3 they said the problem is the strange events that had happened recently, the series of crimes by a local man, a naked man,

Speaker 3 that's totally not connected to it.

Speaker 3 They said that he'd been exposing himself to women in the neighborhood, which doesn't line up with that.

Speaker 3 Also, they said he'd been in the vicinity of Wyborg Beach on foot and in a red car, flashing females, masturbating, and then running or driving away. But they said

Speaker 3 the naked criminal had been spotted 11 o'clock Friday morning. Oh.
So he was gone before,

Speaker 3 yeah, he was gone before Ted was even in. Yeah,

Speaker 3 before Ted was even in town. So they go, that's not him.
Him running down the street wasn't running away from Ted's, whatever. So Ted's friends said that that all seems like complete bullshit.

Speaker 3 They go, first of all, He wasn't gay that any of us knew of, number one, and just make that up and say that a guy killed him. And it's wild.

Speaker 3 One guy said that he'd always known Ted to be strongly, quote, even aggressively heterosexual.

Speaker 3 Even aggressively. If you got a vagina, his fingers go right toward it.
It's just, he's real aggressive with it. Borderline rapist.
I mean, honestly, he is. What the fuck is that?

Speaker 3 He's a little pushy with the ladies. He really, really likes it.
Aggressive heterosexual. I mean, they said, you know, anybody could have a life that nobody knows about.

Speaker 3 But they said the naked man, apparently, like I said, but it was reported on Friday at 11 a.m. while Ted was still in Manhattan.

Speaker 3 And at least one other occasion at a nearby beach, a man matching the naked man's description had exposed himself in other places. So it doesn't work.
And cops don't buy the gay theory as well.

Speaker 3 They said it seems much likelier that the murder had been committed directly or indirectly by someone that Ted had really had some intimate knowledge with, known for a long time.

Speaker 3 This is a crime of a lot of violence.

Speaker 3 Just robbing it. It's violent passion.
It's not just passion. It's violent passion.
And you don't get your dick cut off by just a random. Not usually.

Speaker 3 And like I said, that's if that happened for short. Now, they said that also he managed to.
He's angered a lot of people in his life, being a cutthroat businessman, especially.

Speaker 3 Police try to talk to Danny and Gennarosa. Sure.
Obviously.

Speaker 3 Yeah. They arrive at the Manhattan apartment where they lived.
Danny told the investigators that they couldn't talk to Gennarosa because she didn't know Ted was dead. Don't

Speaker 3 we'd sure like to tell her. Oh, don't ruin her, Dad.
Don't ruin her. She's going to be all pissed off.
And he explained, Gennarosa's divorce lawyer had advised them to get criminal lawyers.

Speaker 3 And one of the detectives said,

Speaker 3 Why would you need a criminal lawyer? We're just trying to find out some background information to see if you know anybody that pissed off a Ted.

Speaker 3 And they said, Were you involved in the murder of Ted Ammon? And he said, No, I wasn't. And they said, What the fuck do you need a lawyer for then? So, but rich people get lawyers for everything.

Speaker 3 Later on that day,

Speaker 3 Gennarosa went to Ted's apartment to get the kids who'd been dropped off there after school. Nobody knew.

Speaker 3 So they were with Ted's housekeeper, and Gennarosa told them that their father had died out at the beach house over the weekend.

Speaker 3 She said, quote, your father took too much medication and drank too much.

Speaker 3 Why do you want to say that? Later, when it became public, she told the kids, quote, maybe one of your father's boyfriends killed him. Oh, Jesus.

Speaker 3 Yeah, she loves poisoning the, I mean, this is after he put a satellite dish on a museum to spy on them.

Speaker 3 So the cops knowing about the alarm system, it's called the rapid eye system. That's the system.

Speaker 3 So they contact a burglar alarm guy that knows about this shit and asked him, will you come to the scene and explain this shit to us? Because we don't know what we're looking at here.

Speaker 3 It's a new technology and everything.

Speaker 3 They said there was a secret video surveillance system with each camera taking one frame per second on a 90-day loop. They said someone,

Speaker 3 even the killer, could be watching them at that very moment as they investigated the crime scene if everything was hooked up the right way. That's how it is.

Speaker 3 So they said a police technical team shut off all the phone lines to the house just in case somebody had been surveilling this.

Speaker 3 They said that the rapid eye system was hidden behind a wall in the secret safe room under the eaves of the house. He told them that it worked off Ted's fax phone line.

Speaker 3 He offered to show them, but they wouldn't let him touch anything, obviously. So the the detectives located the concealed door and entered the safe room.

Speaker 3 Inside, they had

Speaker 3 a Mad Hatters tea party still set up from the daughter. Oh.
You know, daddy-daughter tea party action here on a long table in the middle of the room.

Speaker 3 They said there was monopoly money scattered all around, just games. Fun.
Kid shit.

Speaker 3 They found piles of what looked like cotton candy on the floor. Awesome.
Not so awesome. It's actually fiberglass.

Speaker 3 Oh, shit.

Speaker 3 Oh, this is delicious. No, that's.
Ah, don't eat that. Owen Corning's fucking.
That's Pink Panther. Stop eating that.
Pink Panther killing shit. Yeah, this is bad.

Speaker 3 So, yeah, they said inside that had been, it had all been pulled out of the wall nearby.

Speaker 3 Not good. Inside the triangular hole where the rapid eye system had been, a bundle of black wires that had been connected to a power source and the cameras led off into the dark innards of the house.

Speaker 3 The video system had been ripped out and taken away.

Speaker 3 He said it was a good bet that the killer must have had inside knowledge that the system existed and know exactly where to find it.

Speaker 3 A random robber would not know in a 7,000 square foot house how to find this fucking system and get it out of here. It's by the Tea Party set.
They always are. It's always in there.

Speaker 3 It's a secret door. You'd have to know where that is.
So they went back downstairs to,

Speaker 3 you know, to talk to the guy again. And they said, who put the cameras in?

Speaker 3 And he said that John, this is the electrician, said me, or the burglar alarm guy said me and a workman installed and they said well who knew about the system he said me and one of my guys put it in they said well who knew about the system he said me my employee uh generosa their lawyers and uh danny pelosi yeah that's who knows about it uh which is interesting because danny's friend had recommended this guy for the job of installing it which is interesting um they said that uh also there's stephen the butler bruce the cook they'd been there during the installation and also had knowledge and they said, did Danny know how to unplug the system?

Speaker 3 And he said, oh, yeah, totally. Yeah, he knew that.

Speaker 3 So the main drive, hard drive of the SPY system, this whole elaborate thing, could not be changed once the photos had been taken, they said, at least not without leaving a trace in the computer that erasures had occurred.

Speaker 3 Cameras could be shut off remotely using the laptops or one or all of them. camera-wise.

Speaker 3 But again, they said the main drive and the separate laptop hard drive would have a record of that.

Speaker 3 So that's what they need. But that hard drive has been taken.
That's the fucking problem. They said that they never, the burglar guy said he never shown anyone how to shut off the cameras, though.

Speaker 3 He said if that hard drive was changed, it would have had a different serial number from the original.

Speaker 3 So you can check that.

Speaker 3 He said that meant they had to clear this guy, the burglar alarm guy, because he knew how to do all this shit. He had all the expertise, but he had no reason to when he has an alibi, so it's not him.

Speaker 3 He said the system could also be foiled by someone with a working knowledge of electricity. Yeah.
You know, like an electrician.

Speaker 3 Even an unlicensed one like dip shit Danny, which by the way, he has no license. He's not licensed to be an electrician.
He's a fucking idiot.

Speaker 3 He said you could pop the electrical meter outside the house before going in.

Speaker 3 The power cutoff would shut the system down, but there would be a record of a power interruption then rebooting on the hard drive. There'd be a time difference in the system clock.

Speaker 3 The difference between that and the actual time would reveal the length of any possible outage. Also, a burglar alarm keypad in Ted's room would have started beeping as soon as the power went out.

Speaker 3 It might have awakened him, so they didn't think the power went out. So no one turned the power out.

Speaker 3 Now, the funeral for him, more than 1,000 people attend Ted's funeral at the Alice Tully Hall, which is the home of Jazz at Lincoln Center.

Speaker 3 Generosa's lawyer is also representing Danny, who refused to talk to the cops. They said they needed lawyers who specialize in representing people in this situation.

Speaker 3 This is a divorce lawyer they had before this. She said she didn't want to hire any big-name Manhattan people because she didn't trust them.
Yeah, and it's expensive. Yeah.
No, she didn't trust them.

Speaker 3 Money's no object here. You kidding me? But it's his money.
We'll talk about that.

Speaker 3 She said, I don't want anyone who has anything to do with the major law firms because they're all hooked in with each other. They're all in Ted's pocket.

Speaker 3 Ted's dead. Yeah.
No more pockets anymore. His pockets are cremated.
Yeah, they were burned up. Yeah.

Speaker 3 So she hired, they hired Manhattan lawyer Mike Shaw, who had represented a woman who shot and killed her husband in 1996 while he slept in bed. Oh, boy.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 3 He issues a statement where they deny everything. Now, Danny has to go to court to face charges of driving while intoxicated.
Nice. Yeah, this is fucking fun.

Speaker 3 The DWI that he got, his car had been sighted weaving

Speaker 3 on the road less than a mile from the Middle Lane house in the Hamptons at 3.43 a.m. Almost 4 in the morning.
At September 6th. Whoa, Hammer.

Speaker 3 When he saw the lights flashing, he quickly pulled over and jumped in the back seat and pretended to be sleeping. And he's like, oh, what are you guys doing here?

Speaker 3 I pulled over to go to sleep in my car. I didn't pull over because you guys were pulling me over.
I was tired. That's all.
They said,

Speaker 3 get the fuck out of here, bro. Get out of the goddamn car.
You crazy? So they said that he failed several roadside sobriety tests, refused to take a breathalyzer, and

Speaker 3 they had to

Speaker 3 arrest him. So he's coming out of court for this.

Speaker 3 And one of the detectives says to his lawyer, tell him not to be afraid. We just want to ask him about the security system.
And the lawyer declined to let Danny speak to the detectives about that.

Speaker 3 So where the fuck was he?

Speaker 3 Well, Pelosi, Danny tells people that he and his friend, Chris Perino, went out to buy beer in the early morning hours of October 21st, around the time when Ted was assumed to have been killed.

Speaker 3 So he said, yeah, I went out, but it was with my friend to buy beer. We didn't kill anybody.
That's crazy. There was also,

Speaker 3 so that's his alibi. Generosa has an alibi as well.
She's with the kids. So

Speaker 3 they don't know what to do with that. They also want to look at Ted's.
first wife,

Speaker 3 also his girlfriend that he's seeing now as well. Any men around them.
Anybody that might be there.

Speaker 3 They said, though, but they particularly were focused on Danny because he's one of the few people who knew the code for the security system.

Speaker 3 Others included Ted Generosa and some hired help. They said, Mr.
Pelosi, this is from the lawyer,

Speaker 3 absolutely denies any involvement in the murder. They also referred to his defense lawyer and say, if you want to fucking talk to him, you talk to them.
There are other suspects.

Speaker 3 There's a business partner, the guy Mark, who chartered the helicopter. What about the people from England that were sewing the shit out of him? Well, let's go down the list here.
Here it goes.

Speaker 3 There's one executive at Ted's firm that had been fired after a dispute with Ted. The split was so acrimonious they had changed the office locks.
Oh, wow.

Speaker 3 A second executive also had a falling out with Ted and would have to be checked out. A group of investors got burned when a stock that Ted recommended tanked about a year and a half before the murder.

Speaker 3 They lost millions and were pissed off at Ted. Millions is a reason to kill.
A few in the group could not afford to lose what they had lost, so they really were fucked.

Speaker 3 He also had business disputes with several other people. He'd arranged to sell his home in 1125 Fifth Avenue for $9.5 million to a second bidder.

Speaker 3 When the first bidder tried to back out after the 9-11 attacks, Ted wouldn't let him. And according to their contract, Ted kept his $1 million non-refundable deposit.
Yeah. Yikes.
So the guy sued Ted.

Speaker 3 Is a million enough to kill over? Maybe. I mean, people are killed for...
We've had ones where someone got killed for $3. For nothing.
So who knows?

Speaker 3 He's also battling the board on his fifth avenue co-op building which is uh headed by actor kevin klein by the way is that right i love kevin klein yeah he's one of the greatest actors so funny very delightful he hates

Speaker 3 yeah yeah he's getting that that fast times at ridgemont high poolside titty every night unbelievable this that's crazy so i don't know if he's battling if kevin klein's going after him or not um apparently ted had uh sued them because they would not approve his sale to the second bidder.

Speaker 3 So, who knows? Maybe Kevin Klein had him murdered. Watch out for Kevin.
Ammon's first wife, Randy, whom Generosa suspected of having an affair with Ted, had borrowed a million dollars from him.

Speaker 3 Wow.

Speaker 3 That's an amicable divorce. If you can borrow a million dollars from your ex, it's like the money pit storyline.
Yeah. When fucking Diane, Diane from Cheers, Shelly Long borrows the money.

Speaker 3 A million dollars. A million dollars.

Speaker 3 Also, her second husband was a

Speaker 3 Randy Day, the first wife's second husband, was a Greek shipping magnate who had his head blown off with a shotgun in July 1998 while they were in the middle of a nasty divorce.

Speaker 3 She is a bad woman, maybe. So they're like, that doesn't look good.
This is a possible murder suicide occurred while the husband was in Greece with his girlfriend, with whom they had a child.

Speaker 3 He had a child.

Speaker 3 Now, she, Randy Day, was in Connecticut at the time of the murder. Under the provisions of this guy's will, everything went to Day's son, but her alimony and expenses were cut off.

Speaker 3 So they were saying, did they think maybe that Day, who's a banker, had taken out a murder contract on her estranged husband, and

Speaker 3 so she didn't have to pay back the million dollars?

Speaker 3 Is that it?

Speaker 3 Also, there's the cars. A guy, there's an auto body shop, and on Monday morning, October 22nd, he saw a blue 1999 Audi when he came in to open his auto detailing shop.

Speaker 3 The keys had been dropped through the mail slot. He didn't even know whose car it was or what he was supposed to do with it.

Speaker 3 It didn't need any body work, and no one had made any arrangements to drop it off. So he asked his staff, nobody knew.
He did a license plate check to reveal that it was owned by Ted.

Speaker 3 So he said, I don't know. He just shrugged.
The car had been left there Monday morning by Danny's nephew.

Speaker 3 By the way, that car is back in the driveway by the time the friends get there.

Speaker 3 There's a blue Audi back in the driveway. So Danny's nephew dropped this car off, then parked it back in the East Hampton driveway.
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 It sat there for two days until the owner was informed that Danny wanted new brakes installed. He wanted it detailed inside and out and all that kind of thing.

Speaker 3 Washing and waxing, cleaning, vacuuming, shampooing the rugs, chemical treatment for vinyl swords,

Speaker 3 all sorts of shit.

Speaker 3 The guy said it didn't even need new brakes, but he was asked to install a new set anyway.

Speaker 3 So he said, sure. Then he sent the car out for detailing.

Speaker 3 Also,

Speaker 3 he gave a taser stun gun to Tammy. Weren't stun gun marks all over him? Danny did.

Speaker 3 He called his younger brother, Jim, who was an NYPD cop, and asked him if it was a violation of his probation to have a taser.

Speaker 3 He said, his brother said, they're going to violate you, stupid. Fuck yeah, it's not good.
So Danny said, can you get rid of it for me? Because I don't want to carry it around if I get pulled over.

Speaker 3 So he said, yeah, I'll put it in the drop box at work. There's a box that the MYPD has where you can just drop any weapons, no questions asked.
They run them for shit and then destroy them. So

Speaker 3 they called, Danny called his ex- or called his wife, Tammy, or ex-wife at the time, or whatever, who called the brother and asked him to come get the taser because she didn't want it around.

Speaker 3 Jim, the brother, picked it up and drove away with it.

Speaker 3 Okay. Now, the detectives at that point started questioning Danny's family.

Speaker 3 Danny offered to get his father and other family members lawyers. Oh.
Several accepted the offer, but his father and several siblings said, I don't need a fucking lawyer for this.

Speaker 3 I don't know anything. So the next Saturday after the murder here, Danny took the kids, you know, the twins,

Speaker 3 to go have some fun. So they drove into the city.

Speaker 3 Danny drove to the apartment of one of Gennarosa's lawyer and gave him a laptop computer on which he had watched Ted and his girlfriends at the beach house.

Speaker 3 This is evidence that he was doing shit at the beach house.

Speaker 3 After dropping

Speaker 3 off the computer, they went to Six Flags Great Adventure in Jersey, and the kids had fun.

Speaker 3 Now, after a week, the police are finished going through the beach house, and Gennarosa hired a cleaning company to replace all the rugs in the bedroom and living room that had sections cut up and removed.

Speaker 3 She was pissed at the $30,000 in damage done to her house.

Speaker 3 You bastards.

Speaker 3 So before the cleanup, Gennarosa and Danny's lawyers hired

Speaker 3 top private detectives and forensic investigators to come in and do their own investigation and do aftercrime scene photos. That investigation doesn't count for anything.
It doesn't matter. Yeah,

Speaker 3 you have no standing there. You're worried about pissing away 30 grand.
You're pissing away more now? I can't go into a Taco Bell and go, I'm going to inspect your back for my inspection.

Speaker 3 It doesn't count for anything. I can't write you up

Speaker 3 a health code violation. It doesn't matter.
So on November 6th, Danny had his first encounter with the press.

Speaker 3 He was driving Ted's station wagon from the beach house, and he went to check on a few things with Tammy and his kids.

Speaker 3 When he pulled into the driveway and got out of the car, a reporter called, hey, Danny.

Speaker 3 And Danny turned. So the reporter knew it's Danny.

Speaker 3 So he said, you know, I want to talk to you. And he said, did you kill Ted Ammond?

Speaker 3 And Danny smirked and said, call my lawyer. Oh, that's not a yes or a no.
I'm in the press, not the cops.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that just means means I'm going to put in the paper, you said, call my lawyer, which is bad. That's not good.

Speaker 3 So the reporter had gotten the license plate of the vehicle, which was still registered to Ted. So the next day, the newspaper headline was, Other Man Drives Dead Mogul's Car.

Speaker 3 And says, call my lawyer. Call my lawyer.

Speaker 3 Then the will comes in. Oh.
Okay.

Speaker 3 Ted had never changed his fucking will since 1995. He was going to change it after the divorce was final.
Never got a chance to change his will. Generosa inherits $81 million.

Speaker 3 Oh, my God. $81 million.
Everything.

Speaker 3 Everything. All the property, the stocks, all the cash, all

Speaker 3 $81 million fucking dollars. Nothing to the kids.
Everything to her. Yeah, literally.
Well, no, I guess it's all financial assets.

Speaker 3 There's a tax-exempt gift of $675,000 to his kids, which that's all that tax trust shit. And all the personal property and effects go to her, though.
The will was dated August 22nd, 1995. Oh, boy.

Speaker 3 Throughout the whole year-long proceeding, he never had it rewritten because the divorce papers hadn't been signed and she was his lawful wife. Still, the entire estate passes to her tax-free.
What?

Speaker 3 Because they're still married. So she technically owned it.
Yeah. So she gets all of it.
You've been pissing away your own money, you dumb shit. Yep, $80 million.

Speaker 3 And also, after all these interviews, the detectives learned that Danny had Ted's cars all cleaned after the murder. That was suspicious because you could erase

Speaker 3 trace evidence and shit like that. Their suspicions were deepened when they heard about a supposed red stain on the passenger side rug of the car that was cleaned and a bad smell.

Speaker 3 Could it have been blood? They don't know. So they approached the guy at the shop that does all that and asked him about the cars.
And yeah,

Speaker 3 he said that there was a red stain.

Speaker 3 He thought that, you know, when he heard all of this, the red stain and all this, the guy was putting it all together. And he said, holy shit, Danny did this.

Speaker 3 He said, if the cops are right, his shop had been part of this cover-up and

Speaker 3 he was used to cover up a murder and he was pissed off. They asked who had done the detailing and he gave the name of the place.

Speaker 3 He told them that he didn't notice any stain on the rug, but he might have missed it. I wasn't looking for that.
He said, he told me, this is

Speaker 3 the guy at the shop said about Danny. He told me when this guy was killed, he was at a wedding.

Speaker 3 Then he told the detective something else. He said, Danny told me that he heard the man was hit in one room and found in another room.

Speaker 3 He said there was a lamp missing and they thought the lamp was the thing that was used.

Speaker 3 They were like, how the fuck would he know that? Why do you know that?

Speaker 3 So when asked for the exact words he heard, this guy said that Danny said, quote, allegedly he was bashed in the head, murdered, and dragged into another room.

Speaker 3 They said they noticed that he, this guy said he noticed that Danny had prefaced his remarks by saying that the private detectives that they had hired had told him this.

Speaker 3 So they might know police people to be able to get into the report.

Speaker 3 So, because a lot of most of those guys are ex-cops. So they said that he said that Danny had asked him if he could fly him out of the country, but he told him that it was just a joke.

Speaker 3 He was talking about this guy.

Speaker 3 They asked this cleaning guy, this car guy, if he'd be willing to testify before a grand jury. He said, yeah, sure.
He said that.

Speaker 3 He told Danny then that the cops had been around asking questions about him and his cars. And Danny said, yeah, yeah, yeah, I get it all the time.

Speaker 3 He said, just told this guy to tell the truth and give them whatever they want. I got nothing to hide.
All right, which is the right way to do it.

Speaker 3 Investigators spoke to the man who said they saw two men leaving Ted's property on Sunday afternoon after the murder. They said, Was it Danny and a friend of his? You know, who was it?

Speaker 3 The detectives showed the witness a photo array, which included a picture of Danny, but he didn't pick out anybody. He said, None of that.
I can't pick any of these people out for sure.

Speaker 3 A lady Danny knew well,

Speaker 3 basically tried to to extort him.

Speaker 3 She said, I want money to not tell my story. Give me $10,000 or I'll go to the New York Post and say you did it.
Danny replied, suck my dick, get the fuck out of here.

Speaker 3 So Danny told her he didn't kill anybody and the cops would never believe her. And he told her that they would see it for what it was, extortion.
So she said, how about $1,000?

Speaker 3 I need a grand. And he said, I'm not paying you a dime.
She said, well, could you lend me $380 for my car payment? What?

Speaker 3 That is a real switch.

Speaker 3 Now, J.P. Morgan Chase,

Speaker 3 this is interesting. A petition is filed by J.P.
Morgan Chase, the bank's as a co-executor with Generosa of the will.

Speaker 3 Under normal circumstances, the bank would simply facilitate the transfer of a deceased's estate to his spouse as the will directs. However, this is a little different.

Speaker 3 After stating that Ted's estate totaled $81.4 million.

Speaker 3 Now there's suspicion. Wow.

Speaker 3 Investments and partnerships, $30.5 million in real estate, $22 million in cash, $14.5 million in other investments, $10 million in securities brokerage accounts, $2.4 million personal and household effects, $1 million in artwork, $1 million that the bank noted that a homicide investigation was pending and that no assets were to be transferred until it was concluded.

Speaker 3 They also requested

Speaker 3 to be named sole executor. The bank did.
They said the bank has decided to,

Speaker 3 Generoso said the bank has decided to take sides here, which is very unusual. So they filed a petition to have her remain as co-executor, yada, yada, yada.

Speaker 3 Her advisor said, because the bank is hostile, Mrs. Ammon is getting no money.
She's out borrowing money. She was getting $50,000 a month in basic expenses from the Supreme Court.

Speaker 3 The court was entertaining a request to provide a lot more to complete the construction of her new home. She's not a money person.
She's just had no money to pay basic obligations for her family.

Speaker 3 The hostility of the bank in this regard is just horrendous. Yeah.

Speaker 3 So, yeah, that's what they did.

Speaker 3 But anyway, she ends up getting the money. $10 million.

Speaker 3 Now, the detectives said they were close to solving the murder, seemingly.

Speaker 3 They told the advisor that they're closing doors and said, quote, I think the person or persons who killed Ted will either prove to be an enraged creditor or an enraged boyfriend.

Speaker 3 That's what Generosa's

Speaker 3 advisor told her. Now, it's interesting.
The only reason this guy suspects the boyfriend angle is because of what Gennarosa told him.

Speaker 3 Gennarosa had said that in the last couple months together, Ted became impotent with her, and that was unusual. He clearly appeared to be losing affection.
So that means he's gay now.

Speaker 3 He's not interested in pussy anymore. That means he doesn't just didn't find a piece of ass he liked better.
That means...

Speaker 3 It's not possible that my behavior made his penis soft. No, no, no, no.

Speaker 3 And he's been able to get it up for 20 years before this, but now all of a sudden he's so overwhelmingly gay in his mid-40s, he can't help it.

Speaker 3 Couldn't possibly be that I'm in an

Speaker 3 52 years old. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Other people just all of a sudden they, I can't get hard with a woman and only guys. I'm 52.

Speaker 3 So then they're in England at one point, and an English reporter knocked on the door of the manor house and Danny answered and said, get the fuck off my property now. Just go away.

Speaker 3 So the headline on the story over there was, he's the lord of the manor.

Speaker 3 It's evidently his property now, guys. Wow.
He said, we want to calm down for the kids. The bottom line is bad press.
It was coming to the kids and had a large emotional impact.

Speaker 3 There were horrible things written about their father, and they were bullied at school because of that. That's why we relocated.

Speaker 3 Generosa said she wants to move on with her life, but she's still mourning her ex-husband. She's been under a lot of stress lately.
You know how that is.

Speaker 3 Yeah. And they said, Are you a suspect? And Danny said, I wouldn't be here now if any of that were true.
They wouldn't let me go to England if I was a suspect for murder. Meanwhile,

Speaker 3 their lawyers had decided to cooperate more with the murder investigation and advise them to do the same. To listen, if you want to clear your name, you have to do something.
You got to talk to them.

Speaker 3 They said, you got to provide fingerprints and DNA samples and shit like that. So they did that.
They did all the DNA shit.

Speaker 3 Lab tests isolated generosis and Danny's DNA configurations, and they're compared to shit from the house. But they lived there every other weekend.
So there's going to be DNA everywhere.

Speaker 3 DNA is all over the place. So there's traces everywhere.
Usually they left one of their fingerprints. They said, unless somebody left their fingerprint in Ted's blood,

Speaker 3 none of this shit matters. Fingerprints or DNA doesn't matter because it's all everywhere.

Speaker 3 They had isolated several fingerprints and one blood sample in the mansion that matched neither Gennarosa nor Danny's nor any of the samples people who had known access to the home had as well.

Speaker 3 They said, is that the blood of the killer injured during the murder? Or in the many, many, many, many guests and parties they've had at this house? Did somebody cut themselves one time?

Speaker 3 Who knows? Danny told the reporter, here's a headline for you. The DNA does not equal DAN.

Speaker 3 Danny. Hey, Danny.
Me. Nice job, Dan.
God, he's a moron.

Speaker 3 He said, I can spell three-letter words. Good God.
I'll rearrange him too because I'm smart. People have some other DNA in the mix, and it isn't me.
The big picture is far away from me.

Speaker 3 I would look at me if I were the police, and anyone reading the papers would look at me, but enough already. Yeah.
That's good. And then they said, he called no more suspicion of me.
And he's,

Speaker 3 by the way, this is coming out of Courtney. He had a suit and tie on.
He ripped the tie of the tie off and said, I'm blue collar. This isn't me.
Okay. You know.

Speaker 3 So January 2002, Gennarosa and Daniel get married. Hey, hey, look at this.
Yeah. Half-hour ceremony at Queensborough Hall.
Nice. They then went to the estate in England.

Speaker 3 By the way, 22-room, 17-acre estate. Oh, my God.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 So then he had to come back. 17 acres of England? Yeah.
It's a lot. Wow.
Danny had to come back because he's got some driving under the influence charges.

Speaker 3 And he's got to serve four months in jail for that. That snooze in the back seat cost him four months? A little bit.
Danny, by the way, is still banging his ex-wife when he comes back from the States.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Yeah, why not? Tammy has a weird soft spot for him. She does.
So now they keep going back to the security system.

Speaker 3 They said they found out through investigation that Pelosi hired a contractor to install the surveillance system that we talked about before. He was the guy doing it.

Speaker 3 The system allowed them to watch whatever was going on inside the house, even private moments, by logging on to any remote laptop.

Speaker 3 They said if they were like in a hotel on vacation, in a plane, anywhere they would like, they could look at that. So they were like, did they see Ted was at home and knew to go make a move?

Speaker 3 Because they didn't know he was going to be out there even.

Speaker 3 Danny's cop brother, Jim. Remember him?

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 3 Well, the Suffolk County Homicide Squad and NYPD Internal Affairs Bureau detectives stopped by Jim's precinct to have a little chit-chat with him.

Speaker 3 He said, my brother might be a fuck-up, but he's not a murderer. Okay.
Okay.

Speaker 3 But they told him that Danny had bought a taser, ordered a second taser, and had tested one of them out on a construction worker that he knew.

Speaker 3 Tasers had serial numbers just like guns and could be traced. They told Jim that Ted's body bore stun gun burns on the skin, evenly spaced round red burns like the marks of a vampire.

Speaker 3 Then the detectives said another thing. They said the probes on the taser model Danny had were the same exact distance apart as

Speaker 3 the double marks on Ted's skin in autopsy photos.

Speaker 3 So,

Speaker 3 now Jim had been asked to get rid of a taser. Do you remember that? Drop it in the box.
Jim didn't mention that at this point. Uh-oh, he's withholding some shit.

Speaker 3 You're going to lose your job, motherfucker. As they ticked off the version of their case against Danny and all this type of shit, they kept saying the stun gun's missing.
Uh-oh, this is not good.

Speaker 3 Now, Danny

Speaker 3 had this system installed and all that. So Jim called Danny after all this and said, we got to talk.
Either your alibi is full of shit or they're full of shit. Somebody's full of shit.

Speaker 3 He said, I don't believe you're a murderer, but maybe I'm wrong. He's thinking in his head.
So there's rumors circulating. Danny denied the rumors and said he only had one stun gun, not two.

Speaker 3 He said, even if Danny was innocent, Jim might be charged with destruction of evidence and his career could be over. He could go to jail for this shit.
Lose his pension. Yeah.

Speaker 3 They said if the stun gun had been destroyed, it would look like Danny and he destroyed it because it was used in a murder. Exactly.
So Jim was kind of fucked here.

Speaker 3 He didn't want to hurt his brother, but he also didn't want to lose his house.

Speaker 3 So Jim drove to Long Island, called Danny, and arrived outside the murder house where Danny was supervising a crew of workmen who were cleaning up the mansion.

Speaker 3 He told Danny he wanted to talk to him, and he said, this is serious. It could cost me my job.
Jim said, get in the fucking car. They drove to a beach and parked, and they got out and walked.

Speaker 3 And he said, Danny, you've got nothing to worry about with the fucking taser, have you?

Speaker 3 And he said, I've got nothing to worry about, Danny said. So Jim said, I'm going to ask you something, and I want you to tell me the truth.
Did you do this? Did you stun Ted?

Speaker 3 And he said, what the fuck are you talking about? And Jim said, the detectives were in my office with my sergeant. You get it? Like, this is bad.
They're dead serious.

Speaker 3 He said the detectives told him the marks from Ted's body from the stun gun were the same stun gun you had. Not cool.
And he said, I don't care. It wasn't from my gun.
I swear on my kids.

Speaker 3 So Jim said, yo, if you did this, come clean, get it off your chest, and at least I'll bring you in. Yeah, and I'll be the the hero.

Speaker 3 You know, at least I'll look like a decent guy, and you don't have somebody who'll drag you in there and treat you like shit. So Danny said, what are you fucking nuts?

Speaker 3 And he said, you'd rather bring me in than,

Speaker 3 he said, you'd rather have me bring you in than the detectives bring you in. And he said, Jim, I didn't do this.
This is crazy. So they're arguing out on the beach.

Speaker 3 He told Danny, the detectives also told him that the taser came with three dart cartridges, and there were only two with the one that Jim had taken from Danny's house. Where's the third?

Speaker 3 Danny denied that he had fired one of the cartridges into Ted. He said, but there's three darts, Danny.
Where's the third dart? And he said, it wasn't there.

Speaker 3 Maybe the guy I got it from must have used it. Okay, this is looking ugly now.
He said, you're a fucking liar, Danny. They're going to fucking have it.
This is the thing.

Speaker 3 He said, the dart, and Danny said, the dart cartridge wasn't there when I got the gun. And he said, you better hope to God, Jim says, if you did it, let me arrest you.
He said, I didn't do it.

Speaker 3 I didn't do it. He said, he said, you dropped it in the box, the the precinct, didn't you? And Jim said, never mind where it is.

Speaker 3 Jim. So Danny wondered whether Jim still had the taser.
And if he did, what the fuck's he going to do with it? Yeah. So the next Thursday, Jim played golf with his father before going to work.

Speaker 3 And he told his father he'd been about to be made detective when Danny's stun gun mess came up. And now he feared that he'll never get the detective.

Speaker 3 So he was afraid that the best that could happen was he'd remained, you know, a fucking

Speaker 3 beat cop.

Speaker 3 He said, Dad, I'm afraid I'm going to lose my job over this. And his dad said, don't worry, you know, even if you do lose your job, we'll set you up in business and all that.

Speaker 3 And he said, no, I wanted to be a cop. That's what I'm doing.
I like my job. He said, if I find out Danny did this, I'm taking him in.

Speaker 3 So early 2003, Gennarosa is diagnosed with breast cancer. Uh-oh.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 It's not good. No.
It's bad. It's metastasizing and in bad shape.
It is stage four. Just like her mother.
She's in trouble.

Speaker 3 It's going to go brain.

Speaker 3 And this is at the same time her and Danny's relationship are falling apart.

Speaker 3 She's on pain medication all the time, and also she's drinking. Oh, no.
And

Speaker 3 yeah, she said she was telling the kids, we're not going to have any money for food this winter. Winter? We got $80 million.

Speaker 3 Weird shit like that. They said she just started smoking twice as many cigarettes because she didn't care anymore.
She thought she was fucked.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Danny brought his lawyer home and introduced him to Jennerosa, and he politely said, how do you do?

Speaker 3 And she said, how the fuck do you think I do?

Speaker 3 And then said, I hate lawyers. I hate bankers.
Get him out of here. All right.

Speaker 3 Later on, she warmed up to that guy and appreciated his manners, but she's always on pills and booze, and she's a mess at this point. She's even meaner.
She snaps all the time. Oh, she snaps.

Speaker 3 She sometimes hallucinates. Oh, yeah.
One night, she saw a ghost. and grabbed a butcher's knife from the kitchen counter to defend herself and was stabbing the air.
Oh, my.

Speaker 3 Saying, quote, Ted, you fuck, while she did it. Ted was haunting her.

Speaker 3 Danny said, honey, it's me. And she said, get away from me.
And Danny said, okay. And then she sobbed and said, you've ruined my fucking life and slashed Danny with a butcher knife.
Oh, Jesus.

Speaker 3 So that is wild.

Speaker 3 Then she said she was sorry, and I don't see the ghost anymore, and I feel okay now. Oh, no, I want to.

Speaker 3 And he wouldn't go to the hospital because he knew the press would find out about it, and it would look terrible that his crazy wife stabbed him. Now there's also also a nanny.

Speaker 3 Now not what you think. Danny ain't banging the nanny.
The nanny hates Danny. Really? Oh yeah.
She did not like Danny.

Speaker 3 She said, quote, Danny came from a bad gene pool.

Speaker 3 She criticized him for his crudeness, his crudeness, his gambling, his womanizing, all this shit. She knew that Danny's past and was...
She said she's making this poor cancerous woman feel bad here.

Speaker 3 Then she said she was relaxing with her friend at one point. She had referred to Danny as shady a whole bunch of times.

Speaker 3 She's hanging out with her friend and she said, quote, Danny told me that he killed Ted. What? The nanny said.

Speaker 3 She said that Danny confessed that he had sneaked into the beach house, put down a plastic sheet in the living room, beaten Ted to death, then cut off his penis. Really? Yeah.

Speaker 3 They said, well, why would Danny tell you that he killed Ted?

Speaker 3 And she said, he would never be that stupid to make a statement like that. Do you actually believe he killed Ted? And she said, no.

Speaker 3 And they said, well, why would he tell you he did it if he didn't do it? Nobody in their right mind would make a statement like that. I don't think so.
No, I don't think he would ever tell you that.

Speaker 3 You can sit here and say that,

Speaker 3 you can sit here and say that you think he killed Ted, but you know. The penis thing is weird.
Yeah, it's real weird. July 2003, Gennarosa dies.
Gone. Dead already.
Quick.

Speaker 3 Two years. Not even six months.
No, no, I mean, two years from him being dead. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Whoa. It's wild.

Speaker 3 Now she had updated her will.

Speaker 3 She left Pelosi, Danny, $2 million

Speaker 3 and the rest of her money, at this point, more than $30 million, because it was like $20 million in fees and all that other shit, to the twins. Great.

Speaker 3 Yeah. So that is...
Oh, he's going to be pissed. Oh, he's a little upset.

Speaker 3 Immediately after she's cremated, he takes her ashes to the Stanhope Hotel bar, where he ordered her favorite drink, a Cosmo, and toasted the ashes with a beer and chatted with a New York Post reporter.

Speaker 3 Okay. He said, I'm not saying I'm the most normal guy in the world.
I do spontaneous, wacky things. My wife had just died.
I'm not entitled to be a little wacky. You're drinking with ashes.

Speaker 3 Inappropriate. Also, he's contesting her will in court.
Of course he is. He should get more.
He's going to try to fight the money from the children. That's fucked up.
He's also fucking up.

Speaker 3 He's been in and out of court for drunken driving. He's been jailed for four months.
He also faces charges of illegal billing for electrical work.

Speaker 3 And they claim that he had rigged an illegal meter bypass at his house with Tammy

Speaker 3 and had been stealing electricity since 1996. Uh-oh.
Whoops.

Speaker 3 By the way, Aunt Sandy, Ted's sister, she wants custody of the kids. She lives in Alabama down there.
She wants the kids to come down there.

Speaker 3 Her husband's a doctor. They have three grown children.

Speaker 3 They don't need the money, but

Speaker 3 they'll keep an eye on it and make sure nobody fucks over these kids. You know what I mean? Now that Jenner Rosa is dead, people start to come forward.
They were terrified of her.

Speaker 3 Her death sparked floodgates open to people willing to talk to investigators now. Multiple people come forward claiming that Daniel confessed to killing Ted to them.
Really? Multiple people.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he denies it, but no, they said it was, that's what it happened. All these people were afraid of her and him, that

Speaker 3 they'd kill him, too. Several witnesses said Daniel had bragged about the murder to them, and even those people are even willing to testify.

Speaker 3 Even his own father is willing to talk to the cops and testify against him. They're like, holy shit.

Speaker 3 His father told the cops how his son had called him asking him how to dispose of something so that it wouldn't be found on the night of the murder. What the fuck? Yeah.

Speaker 3 A co-worker testified that Danny had told him a year earlier about his plans to get Ted's money by romancing the wife and then killing him.

Speaker 3 What? Whose idea was this? Pelosi told the guy, quote, I'll bash in his brains while he's sleeping. And cut his dick off.
Cut his dick off. Take it with me.
Wow.

Speaker 3 Now, the police go start arresting people. They arrest Danny's friend, Chris Perino, who we should have had more time to talk about him.
He gets surrounded by cops as he drives away from his home

Speaker 3 saying

Speaker 3 we're taking you in for murder. And he's like, what the fuck? And they're like, well, you know, come on in.

Speaker 3 You're going to talk to us.

Speaker 3 I guess Danny, they told Danny that he blabbed about the killing in jail, which was not true.

Speaker 3 But they said basically, Danny already told us that he did it.

Speaker 3 So they told him, your life is over, man. We know you're involved in it.
And he said, no, no, I didn't do anything. I gave a written statement and all this type of shit.

Speaker 3 But they said, you know what you did.

Speaker 3 You know what you fucking did.

Speaker 3 I just told him what happened. You got ratted out.
Danny's pal, Alex, a 40-year-old electrical worker, also was. taken in at gunpoint.
He told the police that in a signed statement from Dan, that

Speaker 3 he was told that police had a signed statement from Danny's sister that Alex had been captured on the video system at the beach house, peeking on Ted the weekend of the murder. Sure.

Speaker 3 So Alex said, nobody told you that because it didn't happen. So he said, bullshit.
So they said, all right, we tried it.

Speaker 3 They rounded up another, a real estate friend. He had nothing.
Nobody cracked, basically, out of these people. Nobody.

Speaker 3 But he's the suspect. There's a surveillance, obviously, the system of surveillance cameras through there that he was able to access remotely.
He's the only one.

Speaker 3 Basically, he's the only one where all of those factors could do this and has the physical capability to commit the murder. He said

Speaker 3 on the night of the murder, the panel concealing the system was pried open, hard drive removed, never recovered. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Now, Danny said he drove out to his sister's night, that night, that house, that night to leave a laptop with her so that she could access the remote cameras.

Speaker 3 He said he arrived at 1.20, accessed the security system for about 16 minutes. According to the prosecution later, Chris Perino met him there, drove him in the 1999 Audi

Speaker 3 there, and that his sister that night, his sister told the cops she had hugged Danny on his way out and felt a gun under his jacket, essentially, something hard, a hard object under his jacket.

Speaker 3 Perino later on will admit to disposing of the leather jacket. Why? With blood on it that he was wearing because Danny had a new leather jacket after that weekend.

Speaker 3 Interesting. And that's the Audi that was detailed and shampooed.
2003, he gives an interview to ABC News. Danny does.
Yeah. He says, I did not murder Ted Ammon.

Speaker 3 He said, I've been trying to scream it since day one. No, I did not murder Ted Ammon.
If I knew who did, I probably wouldn't be sitting here.

Speaker 3 He said, I went from a guy who walked into an electrical job to becoming the boss. I thought I hit the lotto.
I really did.

Speaker 3 Fucking mook. All right.

Speaker 3 Why does he talk to the news about it? February 27th, 2004. He is charged with first-degree assault for punching a man on a boat in Maui.
He's in Maui.

Speaker 3 He's on a cruise, and a crew member decided to stop serving alcohol to a woman he was with

Speaker 3 aboard the Maui princess. Crew members were helping passengers board the shuttle to take them somewhere else when Pelosi grabbed this guy by the neck, complained about the alcohol decision.

Speaker 3 This guy pushed him away, so Danny punched him in the face.

Speaker 3 This guy was treated for facial fractures.

Speaker 3 Danny is ordered to stay away from alcohol until his assault trial begins here. He hit him hard.
He hit him real hard.

Speaker 3 They even gave him till Monday to dispose of any alcohol in his home, and saying at one point that he could tell by Danny's body language that he did not agree with the condition.

Speaker 3 He's a drunk. Danny said

Speaker 3 it's sad the prosecution in the state of Maui is working with the prosecution in the state of New York.

Speaker 3 The state of Maui.

Speaker 3 He's a genius. God, he's a fucking dummy how many builds cabinets of oh you know it i'm saying he goes he's all actually this guy knows how to

Speaker 3 he can install security systems that are complicated he's way smarter than both of us state of maui state of maui

Speaker 3 march 24th 2004 they arrest him yeah he is going to be uh taken in on the murder charge

Speaker 3 at this point uh he surrenders they told him they called his lawyer and all that kind of thing a grand jury returned an indictment here we go single charge of murder in the second degree.

Speaker 3 He pleads not guilty, is held without bail. They said the killer applied a stun gun to the victim's back and neck.

Speaker 3 The fatal assault inflicted defensive injuries in the form of fractures to his hands, arms, and other places. He also suffered fractured ribs, punctured lungs, 30 blows to the head.

Speaker 3 They said that the defendant had purchased, meaning Danny, numerous stun guns before the murder. After the slaying, he made statements implicating himself as well as others in the killing.

Speaker 3 On the night of the murder, the defendant had the capability to look inside the house for 21 minutes at approximately 2 o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 3 He was the only one who knew how to unplug the secret surveillance system that spied on Ted and one of the few who knew it existed behind the wall.

Speaker 3 The Rapid Eye unit was hidden within the recesses of that home in a location that was known to very few people outside of the installers.

Speaker 3 Only individuals that were aware of the location of that hard drive unit, as well as the power source, which was a simple plug, was Daniel Pelosi.

Speaker 3 After the killing, the unit with its hard drive containing thousands of photos was removed from the mansion, a key piece of evidence that strongly points to the guilt of Daniel Pelosi.

Speaker 3 So they said that he, you know, that's what they think. They said

Speaker 3 they said that Danny cared more about his freedom than his money, since it wasn't his they talk about here. And he said it's not, the prosecutor said it's not his hard-earned money.

Speaker 3 It's really the money of the victim who he's accused of murdering.

Speaker 3 His defense says they had a weak case, circumstantial.

Speaker 3 The lawyers are going to fight here about this.

Speaker 3 Pelosi saying he knew about the system, but his attorneys deny wildly report published reports that he, widely published reports that he installed it, because we know he was just in on the installation.

Speaker 3 They said the reason it took nine months to bring him in is because the defense and every step of the grand jury investigation obstructed in any way they could.

Speaker 3 Because it's been with the grand jury for nine months to get this. So the defense attorney says the case is weak.

Speaker 3 He says when a prosecutor walks into court and said, We've been investigating this case for two and a half years, grand jury investigations for nine months, and we have 51 witnesses, you know what that means.

Speaker 3 They have a circumstantial evidence case, and I suggest it's a weak circumstantial evidence case. Nothing about fingerprints, nothing about DNA, nothing about hair samples.

Speaker 3 They claim a stun gun was used.

Speaker 3 So pre-trial, Pelosi is engaged again. Is that right? Danny's got another lady, and he is having a kid with her.

Speaker 3 She's pregnant. Oh, he knocked her up good.
Dang. So before this trial starts here,

Speaker 3 this is fucking crazy.

Speaker 3 Apparently, they're accusing him of threatening the lead prosecutor's children and tampering with a juror

Speaker 3 and admitting to the crime.

Speaker 3 The prosecutor said, I don't have to have a defendant threaten my own children. So now he faces additional charges of attempting to intimidate and tamper with a prosecution witness.

Speaker 3 And they said there's also evidence that he made efforts to reach out to a juror. Jesus Christ.
Wow.

Speaker 3 Alexa, the daughter, said, I don't know how Mr. Pelosi lives with himself after what he has done to our family.
Honestly. I hope he rots away in jail.

Speaker 3 No shit. Trial comes up.
Prosecution. you know, poses him as a hard-drinking, hard-gambling, hard-luck thug who had romanced Mrs.
Ammon. Hard fucking.
Hard fucking. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Knocked the, put some cancer in you. The lead prosecutor scowled at Pelosi and called him a sadist who enjoyed beating Ted to death.
She said, this is not a whodunit. It was that man.
Points to him.

Speaker 3 That's how it goes. Now, the defense said,

Speaker 3 you know, this is bullshit, basically. The police, Pelosi maintains his innocence.
There's a million other suspects. They don't have any evidence.
Give me a break.

Speaker 3 At one point, the defendant's lawyer here

Speaker 3 said that the Pelosi family believed that the Generosa, believed that Generosa cast a mystical spell that caused the death of somebody. Dang.
So that's just all these stun guns and

Speaker 3 some mystical spell.

Speaker 3 The defense began a generosa could have done it strategy.

Speaker 3 That's their whole thing.

Speaker 3 So, yeah, they said that

Speaker 3 they had an uncollected hair visible in crime scene photos that could have been left by a gay lover of Ted's. That's where that hair came from.

Speaker 3 Jurors learned later that the hair was not collected, according to police reports, because it was determined that the hair was actually growing from Ted's body.

Speaker 3 There's a hair here. It's

Speaker 3 his lover.

Speaker 3 So his own father testifies against him.

Speaker 3 He recalled talking with his son at a wedding on October 21st, the day after,

Speaker 3 they think that afternoon after the night he was beaten to death. And Daniel had asked him if someone wanted to get rid of something, what could you do?

Speaker 3 So later, the father asked what happened to that stuff he'd wanted to be rid of, and he said that he told him a friend took care of it.

Speaker 3 Throughout the testimony, Daniel sat stone-faced at the table, whispering and

Speaker 3 writing notes. He wouldn't look at his father, even when his father called out, I love you, Danny, whether you know it or not.
Whether you didn't or not,

Speaker 3 you're all fucking good.

Speaker 3 So he said, Danny disappointed me. He disgraced the name Pelosi, a very proud name.

Speaker 3 He said the tension between the father and son boiled over when his lawyer, Danny's lawyer, accused Dad of breaking his son's nose. And he said, what?

Speaker 3 He looked over at his son and he said, shame on you. I broke your nose.
I punched you in the face. Fucking break your nose.
Yeah. He said that Danny's face reddened and said, you couldn't.

Speaker 3 And his father said, what does that mean?

Speaker 3 The fucking challenge? Let me come down there and break your fucking nose.

Speaker 3 I will. Get over here.
I'm your father. And Danny said, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 So this is a big stir in the courtroom.

Speaker 3 The judge had to stop them and the bailiffs came out and everything else and said, we're not going to have you two fighters. There's conflict in here.

Speaker 3 His sister said that he'd driven from the city to Long Island that night to retrieve items from her house, and that's the only reason he was there.

Speaker 3 He said he returned between 3 and 4 a.m. Danny testifies.

Speaker 3 He said, yes, he did recently buy two taser guns. He used them on his workmen

Speaker 3 as an initiation to their working for him.

Speaker 3 It's hazing. I buy $800 pieces of equipment to make you earn your job.
He said he hadn't tasered Ted, though. It was just a coincidence that the taser marks were on Ted's body.

Speaker 3 He said also,

Speaker 3 Ted was found naked. What does that have to do with me? Nothing.
So who cares?

Speaker 3 Now, during the trial coverage, the New York Times reported that the prosecutors had no eyewitnesses, no damning physical evidence, and no confessions to the police to tie Pelosi to the death.

Speaker 3 They said three people did, however, testify that Mr. Pelosi told them that he had committed the murder.
Prosecutors offered no evidence during the trial to place Mr.

Speaker 3 Pelosi in the East Hampton house on the night of the murder. Three days of deliberations, long deliberations.
You got to think about this.

Speaker 3 And they finally come back with a verdict of guilty of second-degree murder. Okay.

Speaker 3 So during sentencing, Pelosi's lawyer told the court that he was not in a position to ask for leniency for an innocent man.

Speaker 3 And that's it. So Ted or Daniel's going to talk now.
And he said

Speaker 3 to the kids, he turns to the kids and says, you know how mom was. You all know the truth here.
It will all come out. Meaning, your mother did this.
Come on.

Speaker 3 He called himself in court, quote, this is during his sentencing for murder. A victim of the media and circumstance.
Holy shit. And circumstance.
Then he said to the kids, I never lied to you.

Speaker 3 I'm telling you to your face, I didn't kill your father. I'd say I'm sorry, but I did nothing to be sorry for.
Whoa. He said, I feel the jury made an error.
I did not kill your father.

Speaker 3 I've been the victim here of medium circumstance. I will not, until the day I die, stop fighting to prove my innocence.

Speaker 3 Well, you got some time now and some lots of free time. You, sir, may fuck off maximum of 25 to life.

Speaker 3 That's the max check.

Speaker 3 April 2005, he also pleads guilty to save his wife, Tammy, some trouble.

Speaker 3 This is also his fiancé because they're in trouble. One's in trouble for helping witness intimidation and the other's in trouble for stealing electricity.

Speaker 3 So he says, if I plead guilty to both these things, leave them alone. And they said, okay, fine.

Speaker 3 2005, there's a movie. Tammy doesn't know that she didn't have an electric bill for fucking 12 years.
Yeah, she didn't know what was going on. So 2005, there's a movie called Murder in the Hamptons

Speaker 3 there.

Speaker 3 That's how that goes.

Speaker 3 The ex-wife, Tammy, said, I just cried when I saw that movie. They made me out to be trailer trash.
Trailer trash.

Speaker 3 That's easy. Tammy from the

Speaker 3 2006,

Speaker 3 Chris Perino, his buddy, admits to disposing of the jacket and pleads guilty to obstructing an investigation and is sentenced to six months in prison.

Speaker 3 He said that he'd gone to Middle Lane where Danny came out of the house, quote, disheveled and had blood on him, some of which got got on the car.

Speaker 3 He said, I asked him what happened, and Danny said, I had a fight with Ted and I think he's dead.

Speaker 3 That's it. What the fuck, Chris? And he said, that's when he had the Audi's interior.

Speaker 3 2006, wrongful death suit against him.

Speaker 3 The administrators of Ted's estate obtain a $46.7 million

Speaker 3 wrongful death suit against him.

Speaker 3 He doesn't have that money, but that's fine. But eventually, his home is seized

Speaker 3 when when they stop making mortgage payments on it his home is seized the one with his wife in long island and they sold it off and they eventually got a hundred and forty three thousand dollar surplus that they gave to the kids okay so the kids get that from him um that's how that goes uh 2009 daniel's ex writes a book tammy writes a book yeah i am not trailer trash it's called that's called a don't live in a trailer yep um she said that during this whole thing press were all over her she said they were in front of my house they were at my job they followed me in the car.

Speaker 3 So I hid. I did a lot of hiding.

Speaker 3 And yeah, she said no one cared about Tammy or what was going on at the time. They just wanted more dirt on Danny.
Nobody cares about Tammy. Nobody cares about Tammy.

Speaker 3 Tammy, it's called Pennies from an Angel, Innocent Lives Behind a Crime. Jesus.
I didn't do anything, and I'm not trailer trash.

Speaker 3 Oh, man, that's fucking funny.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 she says also, they say, well, how did you, why did you stay with this guy? And she said that it was part of an addiction problem she had.

Speaker 3 She said, he was my addiction. Some people choose cocaine or alcohol, but Danny Pelosi was my drug of choice.
That devil dick. Wow.
There's a lot of people that say that that's a thing.

Speaker 3 That's a thing, yeah. 2011, Danny all-class as usual.

Speaker 3 He was placed in solitary confinement for 50 days in September 2005, three months after he was put in here, after a correction officer witnessed his inappropriate conduct in the visiting area of the Clinton Correctional Facility in upstate New York.

Speaker 3 He was probably getting fucking jerked off under the table.

Speaker 3 In August 2008, he was placed in solitary for six months for using other inmates' pins to place unauthorized phone calls, stealing from them.

Speaker 3 And then in May 2009, he served 30 days in confinement again for phone misuse,

Speaker 3 which is fun here. He's a scumbag.
Back in solitary confinement now for making threatening phone calls to an unidentified woman.

Speaker 3 Wow, that is crazy. I apparently called this woman from Elmira and left a voicemail threatening her and telling her, this is the last vacation you'll ever take.

Speaker 3 I'm sending some people over to your home. No, you're not.
He admitted he made the phone call.

Speaker 3 As a result, he was sentenced to disciplinary confinement for 23 hours a day and no longer allowed to make phone calls or receive packages. Take that.
Also, no more commissary purchase privileges.

Speaker 3 Got to eat the shit food from the jail.

Speaker 3 Yeah. So he was placed constantly.
He's in trouble in there. 2012,

Speaker 3 Greg, the one kid, brought out a documentary in 2012 about this whole thing.

Speaker 3 And the Alexa also studied film and graduated from USC in 2007.

Speaker 3 2013, that's when the kids finally get the $143,000 for the foreclosure.

Speaker 3 He owes them like $47 million.

Speaker 3 They should just blow it on like a cruise. That'd be great.
Just piss it away. Have a party.
Rent the whole boat. Don't let anybody on it.
So, yeah.

Speaker 3 As of 2015, uh danny was incarcerated in green haven which is not far from where we sit now and that's where my mother worked when i was a kid i visited green haven it was terrifying uh not eligible for parole till 2031 which is pretty fucking close that's way too close he says in a 2020 interview bottom line is i did not kill ted ammon generosa did not kill ted ammon she had him killed oh yeah generosa wanted revenge he says she wanted revenge because of that baby that wasn't his remember she went berserk, berserk, out of this world, insane, white hatred, psycho killer.

Speaker 3 Uh-huh. So she says that Gennarosa came up to him and his crew while they were renovating the townhouse and offered $50,000 to anyone who would beat her husband up.
Several men said, I'll do it.

Speaker 3 A bunch of fucking electricians. And he said, I got regular guys working for me, $50,000 to go throw somebody a beating.
I'm sorry. Everyone was interested in the job.

Speaker 3 He said, Chris Perino took him up on it.

Speaker 3 Oh, he's going to throw Chris under the bus. Yeah.
Yep. He said, Pelosi said, because he didn't want that to happen.

Speaker 3 He said he volunteered, Danny, did to beat Ted up himself, saving his girlfriend time and money. He said, but she stopped him because he was on probation for DWI.

Speaker 3 He said, I was going to get a year in jail for smacking this guy in the face.

Speaker 3 It was guaranteed that he was going to call the cops, and that's why Generosa stopped me.

Speaker 3 So then they said that

Speaker 3 Chris met with Gennarosa without even Danny's knowledge, behind behind my back. And he said that they were going, we'll keep this away from Danny, huh?

Speaker 3 Because Danny's going to have a shit fit when he finds out about this. That's at least at least self-explanatory because if you tune up Ted, they're coming for me.

Speaker 3 Pelosi said he was transferred the balance, that he transferred the balance of Perino's payment from Gennarosa to Perino after the attack.

Speaker 3 He said, I'm not innocent in the things that happened after the murder. That's why I never told my story.
But now he is.

Speaker 3 So he's saying Chris, he paid Chris for this? He helped. Yeah, Generosa made it all, but he just paid him the money after that he was promised.
He wasn't guilty, too.

Speaker 3 Perino completely denies that and said he came out of the house covered in blood and I helped him do the car thing and get rid of his jacket. 2015, he wants a new trial.
Really? Absolutely.

Speaker 3 He's appealing for bullshit, basically.

Speaker 3 What is it?

Speaker 3 The defendant's contention that certain allegedly improper conduct by the prosecutor during his cross-examination of him and throughout her summation had the cumulative effect of depriving him of his right to a fair trial.

Speaker 3 They said that's not.

Speaker 3 She was too good. It's not fair.
Not fair. She had all this evidence.
She was asking me shit, and I was answering. She can't be that mean to me when I'm answering stuff.

Speaker 3 2017, the kids list the house for sale, originally listed at $12.7 million, went to $11.7 million, and finally sold for, I believe, oh, they listed it again for $10.995 million.

Speaker 3 It rents for $250,000 a summer.

Speaker 3 Wow. Three months, 250 grand.
What the fuck? Yep. They said that they weren't ready to sell it when other people wanted to buy it.
Why by renting it? No, no, no.

Speaker 3 They said that it had been being rented up until now. He said 50% of the people would rule out buying it just because of the history of the place.

Speaker 3 Some people wouldn't even go inside of the place.

Speaker 3 They said somebody ended up getting an incredible deal on the house, $8.35 million, which is a steal and a bargain for that house.

Speaker 3 And they said the buyer was one of several tenants that fell in love with the house while they were there. They want to gut and renovate the house and start anew.
She's going to be furious. Again,

Speaker 3 Greg also has access to the Big Flower brand and was operating an apparel and a shop that was in the East Hamptons as well that's closed down.

Speaker 3 There we have 2021. Greg in a social media post says, since your murder, talking about his dad, the lines in the story have been drawn, twisted and manipulated.

Speaker 3 Fingers have been pointed, narratives have been formulated and confusion forced while judgments have been quickly passed.

Speaker 3 To most, our story has already ended or they haven't even, or they aren't aware of a beginning. The groundwork of your legacy was set in glass, not stone.

Speaker 3 I will break through it and shine light on your truths. Smart kid.

Speaker 3 October 2023, Danny says he's innocent and he can prove it. Piers Morgan, he tells,

Speaker 3 he said, I didn't do it. I did not do this murder.
I did not kill Ted Ammon.

Speaker 3 Ted fathered a child and Gennarosa had received DNA results that that was Ted's child, and that was the straw that broke her back. We don't even think that's true.
That's unsure.

Speaker 3 She said she'd be in a conversation with people saying, I'm going to kill that son of a bitch, and goes on and on and on. By the way, 2023, there's a new festival, the Hamptons Whodone It Festival.

Speaker 3 It's called like the Ted Admin Whodone It Festival. What? It's for Hampton Mystery and Crime Festival they have now.
That's fucked up. That's

Speaker 3 something weird. Yep.
And then you got the Million Dollar Murder. Sources for this, by the way, Vanity Fair Murder in East Hampton by Michael Schneierson.

Speaker 3 That had a lot of good investigative reporting. And the book is Almost Paradise, The Murder of Multimillionaire Ted Ammon in the Hamptons, America's Playground for the Rich and Famous.

Speaker 3 Shorten your title, Kieran Crowley. Either way, there you go.
There is the goddamn story. That is crazy.
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